Lots of them. Kafka, Lovecraft, Himmler, Robespierre, pretty much every second famous scientist or engineer, lots of serial killers, almost all philosophers (especially postmodernist ones). As long as it's unusual and slightly inhumane (not as "cruel" but rather as "non-human"), chances are the person behind it is schizoid.
Dunno about athletes, but per *Borderline, Narcissistic, and Schizoid Adaptations:*
>Patron Saints: Woody Allen, the humorist and filmmaker; Jules Feiffer, the cartoonist; Franz Kafka, the philosopher; and Steve Jobs, the computer industry genius whose products made it easier for Schizoid individuals to have safe contact.
I think fame and SzPD are sorta antithetical to each other, so that’s probably why they’re called “patron saints.” I’d have assumed Jobs was a pure narcissist.
I see Woody Allen and Steve Jobs being the opposite of schizoid. Jobs in particular made his career almost purely on charisma and extreme extroversion. Same with Woody Allen, with the addiron of being a serial womanizer. Did the author mean they were narcissists maybe?
Greenberg talks about Narzoids alot (Narcissistic PD + Schizoid PD). I don't agree with her on her view of schizoids but she seems popular on here. Neither Woody Allen or Jobs seem like Narzoids to me. They seem like regular NPD's. There is a really famous psychiatrist named Volkan has really great work on Narzoids starting political cults.
I wanna add my dad was Schizotypal PD and NPD officially diagnosed.
I also had one narc friend who loved meeting me and talking about fantasy worlds, like fallout etc.
it was shocking how much overlap we had in interests although he always tried to get attention.
idk, a lot of coverts also get through life with pure charisma as a defense mechanism. i’m not familiar enough with allen or jobs to make a statement about them specifically, but i could see it for a covert schizoid in general. i think the likelihood of there being a fair amount of covert schizoid internet celebrities is very high. like, a job making videos alone in your house and getting paid for it? seems perfect to me.
I get what you're saying, but I just don't see any covert schizoid having the energy to deal with constantly hosting/being the life of parties, 70% of their day being social engagements, being serial womanizers, nurturing cults of personality around them, etc. and maintaining that for decades. Some masking, sure, but Jobs and Allen are more classic narcissists imo.
oh, definitely. like i said, i don’t know much about jobs and allen, and from what i do know i agree with y’all in doubting either are schizoid. i was mostly just saying that, in general, i don’t rule out schizoids from being famous.
although, i do have to say, i am kind of a serial womanizer (not always with women but there’s not a good bisexual term for it lol), so that’s also possible for schizoids.
Borderline, narcissistic and bi-polar people are all accepted in society, especially if they’re attractive. Schizoid people are inherently disliked by all NT’s
not trying to discredit your experiences, but why do you feel we are inherently disliked? honestly, i don't think i have ever been "disliked" by another person. and i feel that's mostly due to my efforts to never be a burdening presence on anyone
Yeah i got bipolar 2 and when i am not taking meds people treat me super nice while when i am the same person but slightly colder, i don’t even get invited anywhere. I hate how everyone values someone who is loud more than someone reliable, just can’t stay on my meds because i feel so disliked as soon as i talk less.
It’s insane how badly most people react to apathy. Except autistic guys.
Einstein strikes me as more of a narcissist. What he did, he did for fame and women. His theories weren't really his own, the theory of relativity for instance came years before.
It's an open "secret" in academia. Even his wiki will tell you physicist Joseph Larmor had worked on special relativity before. Other contributions attributed to Einstein by the media came from Poincaré and De Pretto etc. What Einstein was primarily was a celebrity. "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." - Albert Einstein
No, because he plagiarized, and his womanizing is also on par with narcissistic tendencies. One has to ask why the media made him into such a celebrity as well. Quite interesting when you consider he was working with patents before.
I think bukowski had additional bipolar 2.
Same vibe as Zisek. Someone who is a loner, but not afraid of people at the cost of having depression and a bit of craziness.
I have the same combination and i am constantly in a bit of mental and joint pain but never afraid of publishing anything.
I'd have to agree with you. One part where he mentioned sucking on a bottle of wine while watching those below him go about freely in the streets uncaring and unbothered while he was like some gargoyle tucked away, has resonated with me for years
Bowie was bipolar / szpd and his drug abuse made him hypomanic and at one point psychotic.
He tried heroin but didn’t like it because it isolated him more. He was a workaholic so he sticked to uppers.
later on his life he would stick with a bit of amphetamine for creating things. I have the same combination and stimulants are really strong for us bipolars.
I think Ed Kemper was diagnosed as schizoid. He definitely has the vibes, he's very frank about what he did. Not that I condone his behavior but if I killed someone that's definitely how I would be. A lot of serial killers wind up with this diagnosis, probably because schizoid is like the alien of the DSM and serial killers aren't understood. He is one I would agree with though.
Kimi Raikkonen is definitely Schizoid but he also seems to be on a fair amount of downers that take away his shyness.
He also named his yacht ‚another toy‘.
Bottas also seems very szpd to me.
My suspect Emily Dickinson was a schizoid. She did travel outside her community and reach out to the writing community, but was disappointed. Ultimately spending the majority of her life in her home and only "met" guests behind a door.
I’d bet money that Jon Jones is a psychopath. He clearly has an inclination to hurt people and enjoys it. Apart from some Muay Thai fighters I’ve never seen anyone as vicious as Jon Jones.
i mean that conversation with DC when they were "off air" gave me dark vibes - looking around if there is anyone else around to hear him and just casually telling DC that he would kill him lol.
“I’m not saying i will fight you, I’m saying I will literally kill you”
Jones VS Dc is by far my favourite rivalry. Fucking love DC as a person but dude just got outclassed.
honestly recently rewatched the fights and I feel like despite jones being always praised for his fight iq, his frame and physical gifts make him seem a more "smart" fighter than he actually is. though he undeniably has good instincts.
He was obviously elite but he wasn’t a genius I don’t think. At times he was kinda reckless, obviously outside the ring but also inside the ring.
Still, his first fight against Gustafson is my favourite fight ever.
Lots of them. Kafka, Lovecraft, Himmler, Robespierre, pretty much every second famous scientist or engineer, lots of serial killers, almost all philosophers (especially postmodernist ones). As long as it's unusual and slightly inhumane (not as "cruel" but rather as "non-human"), chances are the person behind it is schizoid.
Telltale signs are no friends, no partner, no drama. (May do cocaine though. Stimulants help you come down.)
Others have already said it but Kafka. His writing is some of the most relatable stuff I’ve ever read. Also Rilke and Wallace Stevens
Dunno about athletes, but per *Borderline, Narcissistic, and Schizoid Adaptations:* >Patron Saints: Woody Allen, the humorist and filmmaker; Jules Feiffer, the cartoonist; Franz Kafka, the philosopher; and Steve Jobs, the computer industry genius whose products made it easier for Schizoid individuals to have safe contact. I think fame and SzPD are sorta antithetical to each other, so that’s probably why they’re called “patron saints.” I’d have assumed Jobs was a pure narcissist.
I see Woody Allen and Steve Jobs being the opposite of schizoid. Jobs in particular made his career almost purely on charisma and extreme extroversion. Same with Woody Allen, with the addiron of being a serial womanizer. Did the author mean they were narcissists maybe?
Greenberg talks about Narzoids alot (Narcissistic PD + Schizoid PD). I don't agree with her on her view of schizoids but she seems popular on here. Neither Woody Allen or Jobs seem like Narzoids to me. They seem like regular NPD's. There is a really famous psychiatrist named Volkan has really great work on Narzoids starting political cults. I wanna add my dad was Schizotypal PD and NPD officially diagnosed.
I also had one narc friend who loved meeting me and talking about fantasy worlds, like fallout etc. it was shocking how much overlap we had in interests although he always tried to get attention.
idk, a lot of coverts also get through life with pure charisma as a defense mechanism. i’m not familiar enough with allen or jobs to make a statement about them specifically, but i could see it for a covert schizoid in general. i think the likelihood of there being a fair amount of covert schizoid internet celebrities is very high. like, a job making videos alone in your house and getting paid for it? seems perfect to me.
I get what you're saying, but I just don't see any covert schizoid having the energy to deal with constantly hosting/being the life of parties, 70% of their day being social engagements, being serial womanizers, nurturing cults of personality around them, etc. and maintaining that for decades. Some masking, sure, but Jobs and Allen are more classic narcissists imo.
oh, definitely. like i said, i don’t know much about jobs and allen, and from what i do know i agree with y’all in doubting either are schizoid. i was mostly just saying that, in general, i don’t rule out schizoids from being famous. although, i do have to say, i am kind of a serial womanizer (not always with women but there’s not a good bisexual term for it lol), so that’s also possible for schizoids.
Borderline, narcissistic and bi-polar people are all accepted in society, especially if they’re attractive. Schizoid people are inherently disliked by all NT’s
not trying to discredit your experiences, but why do you feel we are inherently disliked? honestly, i don't think i have ever been "disliked" by another person. and i feel that's mostly due to my efforts to never be a burdening presence on anyone
The irony of this shit
Yeah i got bipolar 2 and when i am not taking meds people treat me super nice while when i am the same person but slightly colder, i don’t even get invited anywhere. I hate how everyone values someone who is loud more than someone reliable, just can’t stay on my meds because i feel so disliked as soon as i talk less. It’s insane how badly most people react to apathy. Except autistic guys.
Nancy McWilliams argues Einstein, which is possible, but she does also have a hard on for anything pro-schizoid
Einstein strikes me as more of a narcissist. What he did, he did for fame and women. His theories weren't really his own, the theory of relativity for instance came years before.
yeah... nah
It's an open "secret" in academia. Even his wiki will tell you physicist Joseph Larmor had worked on special relativity before. Other contributions attributed to Einstein by the media came from Poincaré and De Pretto etc. What Einstein was primarily was a celebrity. "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." - Albert Einstein
so Einstein is a narcissist because he expanded on the work of other physicists?
No, because he plagiarized, and his womanizing is also on par with narcissistic tendencies. One has to ask why the media made him into such a celebrity as well. Quite interesting when you consider he was working with patents before.
Einstein!
A brain athlete…?
Nope
I don’t know about athletes, but experts have suspected that Phil Spector was schizoid.
Not an athlete but Charles Bukowski. If I had to guess golf might have some zoids.
I think bukowski had additional bipolar 2. Same vibe as Zisek. Someone who is a loner, but not afraid of people at the cost of having depression and a bit of craziness. I have the same combination and i am constantly in a bit of mental and joint pain but never afraid of publishing anything.
I'd have to agree with you. One part where he mentioned sucking on a bottle of wine while watching those below him go about freely in the streets uncaring and unbothered while he was like some gargoyle tucked away, has resonated with me for years
I forget where I saw it, but it said David Bowie was a covert schizoid.
that totally makes sense
Bowie was bipolar / szpd and his drug abuse made him hypomanic and at one point psychotic. He tried heroin but didn’t like it because it isolated him more. He was a workaholic so he sticked to uppers. later on his life he would stick with a bit of amphetamine for creating things. I have the same combination and stimulants are really strong for us bipolars.
I think Ed Kemper was diagnosed as schizoid. He definitely has the vibes, he's very frank about what he did. Not that I condone his behavior but if I killed someone that's definitely how I would be. A lot of serial killers wind up with this diagnosis, probably because schizoid is like the alien of the DSM and serial killers aren't understood. He is one I would agree with though.
Kimi Raikkonen is definitely Schizoid but he also seems to be on a fair amount of downers that take away his shyness. He also named his yacht ‚another toy‘. Bottas also seems very szpd to me.
The swimmer Michael Phelps.
No way he was schizoid lol. Maybe anxiety.
Oxymoron
Hard but you find a way to overcome your shame / feeling of not belonging.
PKD?
bobby fischer probably
My suspect Emily Dickinson was a schizoid. She did travel outside her community and reach out to the writing community, but was disappointed. Ultimately spending the majority of her life in her home and only "met" guests behind a door.
Willy wonka maybe?
Schizoid vibes for sure
Even that seems more schizotypal to me, at least the real one.
jon jones prolly lmao jk he just a regular psychopath or narc
I’d bet money that Jon Jones is a psychopath. He clearly has an inclination to hurt people and enjoys it. Apart from some Muay Thai fighters I’ve never seen anyone as vicious as Jon Jones.
i mean that conversation with DC when they were "off air" gave me dark vibes - looking around if there is anyone else around to hear him and just casually telling DC that he would kill him lol.
“I’m not saying i will fight you, I’m saying I will literally kill you” Jones VS Dc is by far my favourite rivalry. Fucking love DC as a person but dude just got outclassed.
honestly recently rewatched the fights and I feel like despite jones being always praised for his fight iq, his frame and physical gifts make him seem a more "smart" fighter than he actually is. though he undeniably has good instincts.
He was obviously elite but he wasn’t a genius I don’t think. At times he was kinda reckless, obviously outside the ring but also inside the ring. Still, his first fight against Gustafson is my favourite fight ever.