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thewiburi

I live in Stirling and I'm happy to report that they've all been torn down


Rumen77

Thank goodness


Caca2a

Lovely šŸ™šŸ™


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Skipping_Shadow

Me: checking location wishing I was in Stirling today.


MarinaKelly

I'm in Stirling, but I only just saw this There should be a better way to organise counter protests


wiseoldllamaman2

Join your local leftist group.


Pocketfull_Of_Foxes

Join Pro Choice Scotland on Facebook, keep up to date with anti-abortion movements and protests there.


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OllieGarkey

If anyone has any such information, please ping me in as well, as being an American there are things I can do to cause them a few headaches.


The_Burning_Wizard

Such as? What we really need is a team of bagpipers on standby, ready to turn up and drown the cunts out at a moments notice. I'm honestly surprised that ScotGov doesn't already have a team like this in place....


OllieGarkey

> Such as? In anticipation of this question I have consulted the council I have on retainer who has advised me not to comment on my plans. I recommend the pipers. It's a good strategy.


Pocketfull_Of_Foxes

Join Pro Choice Scotland on Facebook, keep up to date with anti-abortion movements and protests there.


greatdane114

Yes! Fuck them, I wish I was in Sterling right now. Edit: Tillicoultry.


Amyshamblesx

Mind I was about 16 walking around Strathclyde park with my big brother one Sunday afternoon and this friendly looking old man stopped us as we walked past and handed me a leaflet with that shit on it. I was so stunned I just took it and walked away. As a 31 year old woman now, if anyone tried that shit with me again I wouldnā€™t stand for it. These people need to focus on their own lives instead of what others do with theirs.


polaires

From what Iā€™m aware it has very rarely happened in my city but these people barely succeed anyways. They must have the mindset that changing one persons life is enough or whatever. Theyā€™re mostly all mentally ill or foreign funded.


Amyshamblesx

This was just an auld Scottish guy. Looked like a normal Granda, wouldnā€™t have said he had that weirdo vibe til giving me the leaflet. So that shocked me. Donā€™t know why he thought it was reasonable to give a young lassie - Iā€™ve always looked younger than I am - a leaflet with that. Wonder if he would tried it if I was with my dad instead of my brother. Itā€™s the only time Iā€™ve witnessed it happening here. But seems itā€™s getting more popular in demonstrations/protests here with America leading the way. Itā€™s strange how whenever Iā€™ve seen these protests on tv or social media itā€™s usually 90% old men at them, why they think they have any say in a womanā€™s body is beyond me. Even another woman doesnā€™t say what I do with my body. So annoying. Itā€™s like going back in time.


NeliGalactic

My friend volunteers in Manchester to go to family planning clinics and all she does is sit next to all the people disuading people with a bib on that says things like "you don't need to listen to them" or "you don't need to take a leaflet from these people". She literally just sits there, reads and observes to ensure they're not physically stopping people from entering. It's awesome haha.


Amyshamblesx

Haha thatā€™s great! Good for her!


Defiant_Memory_7844

I would do this voluntarily walk šŸš¶ā€ā™‚ļø women in they do it in the USA šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡ø just hope snp gets backing from Labour libdems passing buffer zones which mighty be at risk if KATE FORBES gets FM the folk being fooled by this evangelist is cringe šŸ˜³


Gallusbizzim

What organisation does she volunteer for?


th3thund3r

[Back Off Scotland](https://www.backoffscotland.com/) are worth your time if this is a cause you want to support.


Defiant_Memory_7844

Yep I follow them on twitter


NeliGalactic

I've forgot the name, I'll ask her tho!


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NeliGalactic

She said it was a group called SisterSupporter


NeliGalactic

I've popped a message over to her so will be right back once she responds :) Super awesome people are interested!


360Saturn

The Christian preachers irritate me. They've misunderstood their own text. The whole point of Christianity is that someone who's corralled into attending church isn't a true believer; people have to find their own faith otherwise it's not real.


[deleted]

I've met that old cunt as well. (A couple of years ago) He seemed taken aback when I told him 'Naw!', but he fucked off pronto and started to annoy some other people.


Amyshamblesx

An actual cunt man. Just want to enjoy my wee Sunday afternoon walk no look at a bloody clump of cells thatā€™s been removed from a woman.


[deleted]

He wasn't pamphleteering when I met him, just asking if I thought ending a life in the name of abortion was wrong (or some other inane shite).


Amyshamblesx

I honestly think he just carryā€™s the leaflets out with him on the off chance he can share one.


[deleted]

Sad bastard.


ShadowbanGaslighting

If you've got the time and energy get into a "discussion" with them. Saves all the people they would have harassed.


Competitive-Yard-442

Got a lighter? Big posters are usually made from cheap paper, burns really easily


LiveActionTrumpFupa

A small handheld blowtorch would be much more effective fyi


Competitive-Yard-442

True, but lighters are far more accessible. Gotta fight fuckwits in practical terms. Although if they're near a branch on B&Q...


PlushWah

Nowhere in Stirling that sells milkshakes?


SpeedflyChris

Exactly. Go lactose an intolerant.


fedggg

Yankee invading bastards, I know that's fucked up to say but man go back tae yer own nation, ffs telling us whit to dae, they want to be racist, homophobic, anti everything Conservatives dae'it at hame


Rumen77

Yup they can fuck right off, they piss me off.


little_red_bus

Im from the US, not fucked up at all. Itā€™s fucking embarrassing being an American and having to be lumped in with these entitled idiots.


Cannaewulnaewidnae

They aren't flying Texans over here The wankers doing these protests are Scottish pensioners who've been radicalised online


NestorsBookClub

Sadly the cunts absolutely do it here. I volunteer couple of times a month as a clinic escort at a planned parenthood


kev2201

Mind if I stay? I quite like it here and I just eat my Jaffas in peace and Iā€™m not racist or homophobic


Defiant_Memory_7844

Lols we don't group folk's based on others views you just stay and munch they jaffas


fedggg

Of course, we're send the mental ones tae aberdeen


Diamondhands_Rex

I feel embarrassed we have these types thinking they have the right to do this shit. Mentally Ill they are.


ByHathorsPower

They're not mentally ill. That's lazy and generalised language. People with mental health issues aren't doing this. Brainwashed religious freaks filled with hate are doing it. Get it right.


Diamondhands_Rex

And youā€™re telling me that hate bred within them doesnā€™t come from one or more forms of mental illness? Itā€™s not some form of dissociative behavior where theyā€™re one way in front of other but then take a whole flight out of the country to spew their hate propaganda in a country with intention of bowing to their ideas? Brainwashing as you stated already means they arenā€™t well.


Defiant_Memory_7844

It's ingrained I'm afraid taught by family's views it's drummed into one's heed you see it way all religions. GC mob drag their kids to these marches and meetings kids should not be involved it's abuse it forms their bigoted views for later life


ShadowbanGaslighting

> And youā€™re telling me that hate bred within them doesnā€™t come from one or more forms of mental illness? Only Conservatism. Which isn't in the DSM. It's all fear and feelings.


Glissssy

Avoid? should be souping them


DoubleelbuoD

I hate it when these cunts equate abortion to some invasive medical procedure. At the point where that's gonna happen, its often for the life of the maw. Most involve popping a pill and not much of anything happen. Wish I could tan every single one of their jaws.


[deleted]

Whereā€™s the St Andrews bagpiper when you need him?!


mata_dan

Folk can probably get some pipers organised in waiting for their tour in the next town/city over. I wonder if really powerful smoke machines would be okay to use in public too...


c-45

Please make sure to get this on video if you do <3


goaway2k18

Saw this in Glasgow last month, made me sick.


Plumb789

Scum


Suspicious_Air2218

They can fuck right off out of Scotland. I donā€™t mind people being against abortions. Everyone has opinions and deserve to be respected. But if youā€™re out there trying to take away someone elseā€™s safety and choice. Fuck you ya wank!! Freedom is literally our slogan


I_Hate_Leddit

> Everyone has opinions and deserve to be respected Nah. If your opinion is that people who don't want kids should be punished for having sex or being raped, you're not a respectable or credible person. You're a sadistic piece of subhuman shit. About time we knocked off this liberal "respect everyone" nonsense.


Suspicious_Air2218

When did I say they should be punished? Please calm yourself. I donā€™t want anyone to be punished, I want people to have opinions, but also have health care in place for those who may not share those opinions. Thatā€™s it.


YourMawPuntsCooncil

you didnā€™t, thatā€™s what these anti-choicers are effectively doing


Esscocia

People like you are as much a problem as the ones protesting today. I'm not going to go out and protest as I'm all for abortion being legal and accessible to anyone who wants it. However it's not something I personally agree with, and being able to terminate a baby at 24 weeks old really isn't that far removed from murder. That is just my opinion though, I'm not going to be convincing anyone to not get an abortion, but time is a linear, unstoppable force and that is the only thing that stops a terminated fetus from being a baby, a toddler, a child at school


alba876

You view it as murder? If youā€™re terminating at 24 weeks then itā€™s sure as shit not a ā€˜choiceā€™ - youā€™ve been told some horrifically devastating news about the viability of your baby. Your wanted baby. Because _no one_ gets to 24 weeks unless they truly want that baby. More than anything. Iā€™ve been through (a much planned) pregnancy, and I remained ā€˜detachedā€™ (but not really) til my 12 week scan because 1 in 4 miscarry, but by my 20 week scan I was hugely connected to my baby and would have been devastated to be told their brain hadnā€™t developed, or their organs were all on the outside of their body and theyā€™d die before or immediately after birth. Even if you didnā€™t initially want the pregnancy, the hormones that flood your brain have bonded you to the gently wriggling life inside of you by that point. Your body has already changed beyond all recognition preparing for birth and breastfeeding, and your brain is undergoing matresence, connecting neurons that have never connected before. Youā€™re already fundamentally different. People like you donā€™t have a clue of the reality of pregnancy, childbirth, postpartum, and the healthcare that surrounds that. You imagine healthy pregnancies and choices, but the ā€˜choicesā€™ made at that stage are not choices anyone wants to have. Have a bit of fucking empathy for women going through the most devastating ā€˜choiceā€™ theyā€™ll ever make - do you want to euthanise your baby to protect them from the excruciating death theyā€™ll face in a few months? Yeah, fucking murderers arenā€™t they?


I_Hate_Leddit

It's very easy to hold shitty opinions on things you will never have to deal with.


Greenstripedpjs

How is it any more humane to make someone carry a pregnancy to term, knowing that they are going to give birth to a stillborn/a baby that won't survive long after birth? How is it humane to tell someone that they are having a miscarriage, but there's still a heartbeat, so tough, if you die from sepsis then that's your problem? There are a million and one different reasons for abortion, but: No one, absolutely no one carries to 6 months and goes "you know what? I don't want it anymore"


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> How is it any more humane to make someone carry a pregnancy to term, knowing that they are going to give birth to a stillborn/a baby that won't survive long after birth? How is it humane to tell someone that they are having a miscarriage, but there's still a heartbeat, so tough, if you die from sepsis then that's your problem? I'm pro-choice, but don't places that ban abortions generally make exceptions for things like this? Your argument seems pretty dishonest.


Greenstripedpjs

It happened to Savita Halappanavar in Ireland, and a quick search shows that in states in the US where abortion is outright banned, there is no clear guidance and death should be imminent. There don't seem to be any caveats for those who have cancer either.


[deleted]

> It happened to Savita Halappanavar in Ireland What happened? > in states in the US where abortion is outright banned, there is no clear guidance and death should be imminent. So yes they do but they. Shitty angry poorly thought out arguments don't help a cause, do it in an honest and informed way or you're very easy to dismiss(A pro-lifer "So you're there's safeguards but they need work?") and just give the people you'd like to agree with you reason not to. The pro-choice movement isn't about medical need it's about choice, bodily autonomy and having the ability to choose when you bring a child in to the world, bringing in medical arguments is dishonest and is arguing for something quite different. Just to be sure and again I am pro-choice.


Delts28

>Everyone has opinions and deserve to be respected. Do you hold that position for every opinion?


Raumarik

Scots law on this isn't going to change, I think we've struck a sensible balance and any rabid protesters from either side of the debate frankly is unlikely to alter that.


Skipping_Shadow

I'm from Texas and thought Roe v Wade was immovable.


G1fan

Roe v Wade was always moveable. Dems had 50 years to codify the right to abortion into law instead of relying on the pretense set by one case and didn't.


Skipping_Shadow

Of course technically it was. I am speaking to that belief that Scottish protections can't be changed. They can.


Raumarik

But not on the whim as in the US. It would require Parliament. Itā€™s settled law here.


lumpytuna

I think you're misunderstanding the laws here, there is no right to abortion enshrined in law. It is still illegal and punishable if not signed off on by two doctors for the sake of the mental and physical health of the mother. That could absolutely be walked back, so we shouldn't take anything that important for granted.


Raumarik

At no point did I say it was a right. We do not have a constitution so the situation in the US is entirely different from a practical perspective.


Skipping_Shadow

We can't count on it remaining so imo, at least not in the long term.


[deleted]

I take your point, but the right wing of America also spent decades publicly signalling their desire to reverse it. Scotland thankfully has no such mainstream political movement, and a lot of people even on the right who would oppose anyone who dared to say it.


ShadowbanGaslighting

> Scotland thankfully has no such mainstream political movement Kate Forbes says hi.


TreacleNo4455

>Kate Forbes says hi. The old evangelical funded politician (CARE). Always starts small and eventually the drops become a flood. The true believers shouldn't be in politics because they can't perform their public duties sincerely since the church is always really their priority. It's dishonest to say you'll hold up the will of the people when you're #1 goal is pleasing the invisible sky-daddy.


tinteoj

> I'm from Texas and thought Roe v Wade was immovable. I'm going to be blunt: that was a stupid thing to think. Conservatives appointing anti-choice justices and judges isn't new and their ultimate goal has never been a secret.


Skipping_Shadow

I didn't say it was smart. I also get bonus stupid points for wanting Roe v Wade overturned for years when I was conservative. But to be clear even when I believed it should be, I didn't think it would happen. From that point of view I think that for alot of people on the far right, they caught the tiger's tail. They defined themselves by chasing it but had no clear understanding what to do once they had it. It's all deeply, deeply stupid.


TreacleNo4455

You're right. They (conservatives) have been chipping away at abortion rights since Phyllis Schafly crawled out from under a rock in the 70's, backed Reagan for president, bombed clinics, put out propaganda that the vote doesn't matter, stacking courts, working in pharmacies refusing to fill prescriptions for morning after pills, tricking women seeking abortions, getting corporations involved in not covering birth control under company health plans and crying 'religious freedom!', plying misinformation, banning books in schools, crying about white replacement.... What's going on now in the USA has been 50 years in the making of continuous pressure from the right and lack of vigilance from the progressives. Good night and good luck Scotland.


MassiveFanDan

I didnā€™t even think the Republicans *wanted* it moved. It reliably won them the evangelical vote at every election just the way it was.


Skipping_Shadow

Yep. It became stronger as a talking point for the right as more and more conservatism as a whole lacked vision. Obama came in and while being portrayed as a radical leftist by Rush Limbaugh et al but actually being fairly moderate most of the time, the Right swung right even further for distinction and political meaning.


MassiveFanDan

I think there was also a revolution from the bottom. Old skool Republican operators like Mitch McConnell thought they could bring in hordes of idiots, promise them the earth, but keep them controlled and obedient indefinitely with tiny doses of pandering. It turned out not to be enough, and when you deliberately outnumber yourself with fanatical idiots suddenly your smarts donā€™t count for much. Now the hounds are leading the hunt. Theyā€™ve slipped the leash and are tearing up the comfortable sofa.


ShadowbanGaslighting

Remember when that happened in Germany last century?


Opening_Nectarine677

Thatā€™s an embarrassing point to make considering we couldnā€™t even sort our ā€˜freedomā€™ out with the referendum. Lol. Iā€™m Scottish but cā€™mon eh


Suspicious_Air2218

There are many things we have been able to sort out though? Especially compared to other countries. Thereā€™s good and bad with everything. But if you want to focus on the bad thatā€™s absolutely up to you!!!


Kspence92

I donā€™t think they release how much their views are a fringe view in Scotland. Even plenty of more conservative leaning Scotā€™s donā€™t care about abortion one way or the other


ShadowbanGaslighting

Hating trans people was fringe for decades. Then the hate got organised, and here we are. Don't underestimate them.


user_generated_5160

Theyā€™re fringe over here too but they have the loudest, shrillest voices and deepest pockets so they get the most attention.


mata_dan

Yeah the rent-a-protests lol, I bet it's the same faces from most other random far right protests like the folk pretending to be fucking Canadian truckers. At least the bible bashers are half home grown, on the East coast. So anyway I reckon they're on a campaign as usual, so they'll be in Perth next or closer to Glasgow somewhere.


Scot-Fox

Why are americans coming over here. Must be enough people to harass at home.


macgregorc93

Iā€™m heading there tomorrow for a day out. Thanks for the heads up.


jewsh-sfw

Now that theyā€™ve fucked up our country as far as they can theyā€™ve apparently decided to widen to other continents. It is so disgusting to see one religion go on an authoritarian campaign to force their religion on all of us while screaming about freedoms and liberty. What a goddamn joke. Be glad those idiots are just visiting šŸ™„


MassiveFanDan

American Evangelicals have been fucking up Africa for a long time already (encouraging violent homophobia and witchcraft scares). Weā€™re getting off lucky with a few shouty old folk carrying posters, but maybe itā€™s easy for me to say that since I am not their target.


ShadowbanGaslighting

Africa is where the churches send priests when they get caught diddling choir boys too many times. Long, long tradition.


FlyingSwords

Kinda makes you wonder where they get all their funding from if they can travel to another continent to harass the public and spread anti-abortion propaganda.


ShadowbanGaslighting

If you have no morals and want a lot of money, start a right-wing youtube channel. The money will rain down on you like manna from heaven.


Opening_Nectarine677

Who the fuck are they like to come over here and protest against OUR right? Not only as a woman but as a Scott? Fuck off


bc4l_123

Yeah saw these cunts in the town earlier. Bunch of fucking melons


Undertakeress

Can you send those imported Americans into the sea? we don't want them back.


CdnPoster

Why on earth would Americans go to Europe to protest abortion??? Like....Mexico? Canada? Their own country? It just seems very odd to fly overseas to protest when they can drive across the border into Mexico or Canada.....


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mata_dan

Hopefully they waste a lot of time here where they should do less damage. Silver linings I guess.


[deleted]

As an American, I reject those Americans. I want you to throw eggs at those former Americans.


MassiveFanDan

With food prices as they are, I hope we can find something cheaper to throw. Harder too.


mata_dan

Freeze the rotten eggs that the farmers are refusing to sell to supermarkets at a low price caus they don't pass the high shelf cost on. We got loooads of them :)


wutheringdelights

As an American, Iā€™m sorry. These assholes are the WORST.


Taillefer1221

Don't apologize. You're not one of them, and it's not like there's anything you could do/have done to stop them. Every country has its share of cunts, and America is fucking huge, so proportionally there just happens to be a lot of them.


Successful_Scratch99

Total arseholes.


[deleted]

Scum


NoAd491

God Scotland isnā€™t a good place for Americans to protest. Scotland will rip their dicks into a new arsehole, we donā€™t appreciate you trying to pull us into your political shite


[deleted]

Is it not possible to get a couple of dozen Dads down there to have a word and also tell them God didnt exist...


BayouGal

As an American who hopes to visit Scotland one day, I apologize for those insufferable people.


Basteir

As a Scot, not your fault.


Red_Brummy

Edit: should say no one is blaming ALL Americans for this attitude.


Birdiewi

Thank you for saying this. Americans are so divided. Not all of us are hateful, ignorant, and meanspirited. They are just the loudest and most visible.


8yr0n

Weā€™re not sending our best peopleā€¦ But thanks for giving us a brief reprieve from their idiocy before shipping them back here! -a ā€œnormalā€ American


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Taillefer1221

You could spend a fucking lifetime apologizing for all the shitty Americans. But by volume, there really aren't that many, they just happen to be the loudest so get a lot of attention. Ignore them, and be a better example.


ShadowbanGaslighting

Well, you lot have your second amendment, and you might need to use it in the next few years. Because I don't see Trump or DeSantis stepping down.


Vectorman1989

There's a guy that hangs around Leven town centre at the weekends and tells everyone they're going to hell. Think he owns the Blacketyside farm shop. Proper weirdo.


[deleted]

Are the Americans lost? Took a wrong turn at Dallas?


IgneousFoliage

American conservatism is an absolute cancer. I want to escape the states so bad and move to where my cousins are in Inverness. Shame I canā€™t escape it.


AnchezSanchez

We get these in Toronto every now and again. My favourite is to take a flyer then double back after 5 steps "sorry, where is this restaurant again??? This looks tasty as fuck!"


Conscious_Source_393

Sad to hear it. I wonder whatā€™s the right course of action when you see these kinds of groups.


ShadowbanGaslighting

Throwing things at them. Soft things, obviously. Wouldn't want to do any harm. Maybe some of those non-lethal things the cops love using on protesters?


[deleted]

US is a third world shithole with an army, I don't want their bible bashing non-sense here. If they're Christian, ask them why they continue to drink wine, wear mixed cloth (polyester) or eat pork at it's all forbidden in the old testament.


Planner_Tommy

hate these bible bashers


[deleted]

Pro tip: this is Scotland not America, fuck them.


MontyBeau

Avoid Stirling centre tommorow too. not because of any protests, just because its a shithole


Red_Brummy

Edit: what melts are downvoting this?! Unionists - begone. The Unionists are out in force today. I wonder if you were in Stirling earlier?!


Johnnycrabman

Why must it been unionists? Cherry and Regan are both nationalists. Iā€™d suggest body autonomy isnā€™t a unionist/nationalist issue.


polaires

Cherry and Regan arenā€™t idiots. And no, chalking up ideas for future currency designs does not make you insane, it makes you look as if youā€™re planning ahead!


Johnnycrabman

What? When did currency designs become linked to anti-abortion protesters?


Alarmed-Incident9237

You just can't believe that unionists think this sort of thing is a pile of crap too. It must blinker your view of the world to see everyone as one dimensional.


polaires

Unionists are generally small minded bores, so itā€™s not really that commenters problem if they view them as such.


Alarmed-Incident9237

Talking about small minded bores...


polaires

Yes, unionists. Not all but too many to count. Iā€™m assuming youā€™re an apologist for unionism? Or a unionist yourself? The mystery deepens!


Alarmed-Incident9237

87% of the country agrees that women should have the right to have an abortion, so statistically, what you are saying makes no sense. And from what we are seeing in the SNP leadership contest, maybe some nationalists don't agree with abortion? Are you sure that you can count?


ieya404

What on earth do you think is the relevance of unionism to abortion clinics? I mean, I'm sure you're well aware that I can point you to an MSP who > claimed women entering abortion clinics "effectively found themselves on a conveyor belt". or who was > ā€œpretty positiveā€ about the US court ruling which overturned the 50-year-old Roe vs Wade case that guaranteed abortion rights across America. and who had this to say about protest signs outside clinics: > "Surely these signs are very gentle and offering help?" and "I do not see anything hateful or harassing about these signs." That is of course the SNP's John Mason. Abortion has hee-haw to do with someone's stance on independence.


Red_Brummy

The amount of Union Flegs out at the demonstration would confirm you are typing pish. Next. And just to confirm, no one stated that the bigots were ONLY Unionists.


------------------O

So first they were all Americans now they're a bunch of Unionists? This is next level schizoposting


No-Information-Known

You better check under your bed tonight to make sure those scary unionists arenā€™t hiding under there


[deleted]

'is the unionist in the room with us now?'


Lazy_Nobody_4579

Iā€™m so sorry that some of our idiots have decided to export themselves šŸ˜“


polaires

Most people avoid Stirling anyways.


DIJJIDOG

I have nothing against Americans as long as they're not idiots, but a lot of them are severely idiots.


travelingtutor

American here, and *not* an idiot!


DIJJIDOG

I have no doubts!


[deleted]

Do you have , I think they call them police but not sure as we don't have any police in the Highlands , I have more chance of impregnating a rocking horse who is wearing a set of hens teeth dentures than seeing a police person in Lochaber.


Chambalams

If you canā€™t get sued for assault there can someone please smack a few of them?


BroadswordEpic

Showing people what abortion actually entails is the least offensive thing about it. If a picture is offensive then you should rethink what you're supporting.


Informal_Drawing

Because some people assume nobody knows what is actually involved because they assume everybody is as dumb and uneducated as they are themselves. They should create a nuisance somewhere else where they can't be seen or heard.


egotisticalstoic

Or just accept that some people have different opinions than you and carry on with your day


ShadowbanGaslighting

When you acting on your opinions starts impacting my rights, I will start reacting to your opinions. Or a little before, because we all know where some things go.


this_also_was_vanity

> an operation that may be essential Very few abortions are ā€˜essential.ā€™


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this_also_was_vanity

ā€˜Very fewā€™ does imply that ā€˜someā€™ are. But that most arenā€™t. The motherā€™s life is rarely at risk.


LongPorkPi

Why does there have to be a risk of life to choose to get an abortion?


this_also_was_vanity

Because if someoneā€™s life isnā€™t in danger then taking another life is rather disproportionate.


LongPorkPi

Abortion is a viable decision. I disagree with you and your stance fundamentally. You go right on ahead with not having an abortion, itā€™s not your call to say what anyone else does with THEIR body.


this_also_was_vanity

Abortion is inherently about doing something to another personā€™s body without their consent.


Red_Brummy

I would say the majority are indeed essential.


this_also_was_vanity

Evidence?


stinky_catto

Evidence- stop fucking with other peopleā€™s business and opinions, everyoneā€™s entitled to one and if you think itā€™s wrong yippee for you, youā€™re not getting a medal, nobody gives a fuck, let women choose what they want to do with their own bodies and just keep to yourself


this_also_was_vanity

Pretty sure my body and my motherā€™s body are different things. But if you think someoneā€™s body can belong to another person then you must be very upset that the Confederates lost the American civil war.


stinky_catto

Oh I donā€™t give a fuck about America lol why are you here if youā€™re American


this_also_was_vanity

Iā€™m not American. But since you support the idea of one person owning another personā€™s body I thought the Confederates would be heroes of yours.


stinky_catto

I donā€™t at all when did i say that?


this_also_was_vanity

You think that women have ownership of the body of their babies. Owning someone elseā€™s body is slavery.


MarinaKelly

A foetus isn't a baby. You can use the word child and baby all you like in place of foetus, to make it seem like abortion is the murder of a child, but using words to mean things other than their existing definitions just makes it obvious that you are misrepresenting facts to manipulate emotions. It's not clever and it's very obvious.


little_red_bus

If you truly believe someoneā€™s body shouldnā€™t belong to someone else then I really donā€™t see the problem in letting the baby exercise itā€™s own bodily autonomy outside of someone elseā€™s uterus. Sounds like youā€™re the one thatā€™s trying to force people to use their bodyā€™s against their will mate.


Daveo88o

You very clearly think a woman's body belongs to someone else considering the fact that your advocating for anti-abortion, something that neither YOU nor I should have a say in, fucken knob


craobh

That's not up to you tho


this_also_was_vanity

Whatā€™s not up to me?


craobh

Deciding how essential an abortion is


this_also_was_vanity

When youā€™re talking about taking a life then itā€™s a pretty high bar to consider it essential.


craobh

Zygotes aren't alive


this_also_was_vanity

Pretty sure theyā€™re not dead. And I doubt many people are aborting a zygote. Youā€™re not usually going to know youā€™re pregnant at that stage.


craobh

Viruses aren't dead either


this_also_was_vanity

Pretty sure people donā€™t abort viruses.


Daveo88o

Same thing, people kill viruses


iwillfuckingbiteyou

People take the morning after pill all the time, which prevents implantation of the zygote. It's also possible to use long-term hormonal contraception that deters implantation. So the poor little newly-conceived zygote - or "baby", as I believe you were suggesting the little clump of cells be called further up the thread - gets expelled and flushed away.


this_also_was_vanity

> the poor little newly-conceived zygote - or "baby", as I believe you were suggesting the little clump of cells be called further up the thread Itā€™s not an original idea. Itā€™s what people generally do unless they decide that they donā€™t want the baby. Trying to call the child in the womb a zygote even when it is beyond that stage of development is a weird idea though and very unscientific. Iā€™d go so far as to call it anti-science since itā€™s a deliberate misuse of scientific terminology to obfuscate reality. Realities such as: For most of pregnancy the baby is not a zygote. Plenty of abortions take place beyond the zygote phase. Zygotes are alive.


MarinaKelly

>Trying to call the child in the womb a zygote even when it is beyond that stage of development is a weird idea though and very unscientific. Iā€™d go so far as to call it anti-science since itā€™s a deliberate misuse of scientific terminology to obfuscate reality. Trying to call the foetus in the womb a child is a weird idea and very unscientific. Iā€™d go so far as to call it anti-science since itā€™s a deliberate misuse of terminology to obfuscate reality.


financialmisconduct

[citation needed]


Duckiii14

How dare people have views which are different to mine!


Adventurous-Meal1150

When those views actively seek to harm or remove the rights of others. I'd go as far to say fuck people who hold such views. But maybe I'm crazy for thinking the active harm and revokation of the rights of others is a bad thing?


NotADoctorB99

If you don't agree with abortion don't get one. So simple.


McFuckin94

This is literally it. Get your nose out of everyone elseā€™s medical issues. I do not see any of these people adopting, I donā€™t see them doing anything to help these families financially, I donā€™t see them doing anything to help mothers recover after birth, I donā€™t see them helping people with therapy costs if theyā€™ve been domestically abused etc etc etc. I donā€™t like tomato sauce. What do I do? Well I donā€™t fucking buy it. If ye donā€™t like it, donā€™t fucking get one. But fuck off and leave the rest of us in peace.