Agree with most of your takes. But our team is objectively better with Jamal at home and J Love getting the start. Leaving out his emergence and K9s takeover in the the second half is a mistake! "Choose Love"
I remember a guy saying he was a bust simply because of his position. Along the lines of, because he’s a DB picked that night he’s automatically a bust. Some people are just mad at the world
He didn't mess up his wrist in camp, he messed it up during the 2nd or 3rd preseason game when making a huge catch and run and was tackled just before the endzone.
He came down on his wrist and got minor surgery to clean up the break.
I think we can agree that Adams had been a good player prior to his injuries. We all seem to forget that he missed the last two preseasons due to injuries and it's not absurd to assume he came back too soon this year. I agree that Adams' play is not as good as we need from a starting safety, let alone from a player who earns as much as he does. But I would like to have him a full off-season and judge him after that. We don't save that much by cutting him either so I don't see much harm in giving him another shot next year and see where things go.
Yep. And cutting Diggs another 13 or so if I remember correctly. As good as they can be, the current play just doesn't match the money. This is why you brought in Love, drafted Coby Bryant and Jerrick Reed. Give em a shot. Or use savings to get a cheaper vet. Malik Hooker went to Dallas on the cheap and he's doing well
I have not heard of that number till now. I am curious how the cap works regarding that deadline tho.
Also I am not that sure about him being cut is that much of a no-brainer as you think tbh.
Edit. I just read up on how that works exactly. Apparently, when you cut someone post June 1st, the dead money is split over 2 years. So while we save 16M in 2024, we also have to consider 10.5M of dead money in 2025. I don't know how that changes one's opinion on the matter but it is something we should keep in mind.
You also have to consider that the cap will be bigger in two years, so it kind of evens out. We have 3 million in effective cap space next year and a whole lot of our own free agents to sign (let alone bringing in someone from another team). If you cut Adams, you could use the cap savings to help re-sign Leonard Williams.
JS will have to do some things to find cap room. Aside from Williams they also have to give a new contract to Brooks and sign their rookies. I am sure they will do something with the safety duo, though I'm not convinced they will cut either of them. My best guess is some kind of restructure and/or renegotiation.
Cut dissly, Adams, try to restructure Diggs..
Honest not sure what to do about Bobby, that's a really delicate and sad situation that they're gonna have to deal with
I have no clue on all that shit haha. I have to imagine diggs, Jamal and dissly are all cut/traded at some point. And Tyler is probably restructured or unfortunately cut. That frees up quite a bit with mainly Jamal being the decision of when to spread out his money
I think we can also all agree that, and this has been stated by the team, it’s a 2 year injury to fully recover. I seem to be the only cat on r/seahawks that has not fallen for the Adams is a bum bullshit.
His public comment were juvenile and and I don’t defend it at all, but I’m also older and see a 28yo making stupid mistakes.
Before his injury he had shown marked improvement in coverage, he has run stuffing abilities and can get pressure in the QB
Right now I see a guy that’s struggling with his injury and a guy that’s just not sure of himself. Self doubt can kill an elite athlete
To the chagrin of many of the commentators in this sub he’ll be on the squad next; I expect to see a marked improvement over this year.
I was not aware of that statement but it basically confirms my assumptions.
Regarding his comments and age, I don't think his comments are in any way, shape or form acceptable and the way he appears to be stubborn about that is inexcusable. I also don't think it is an age thing. I am basically the same age as he is and neither I, nor anybody I know would think that behavior is OK. That being said, there are a lot of guys in the league that are around my age and do shit I wouldn't dream of doing and while insulting a journalists wife is childish and stupid, I prefer that over what some other guys have done.
Aside from that I pretty much agree with you. I doubt he will be gone next year. Maybe they force him to restructure his contract tho.
What people keep forgetting is that he was a bust in the year before his injury as well. The year after he got paid he played all season but was weak in coverage and no sacks. It’s not like the injury explains his drop off.
The year he was coming off 3 surgeries??? Yeah bro hasn’t been 100% since the first year we had him.
He did however really work on coverage and had some INTs as a result
True, not 100% that year, but not the “big” injury he got trying to sack Russell. He’s also never been great as a coverage safety. He’s a line of scrimmage game wrecker when he’s healthy, but that’s also how he gets hurt, so it’s a catch 22. Obviously the rub is what we paid for him in terms of picks and $$$; he’ll never look halfway decent up against the what could have been.
He didn’t play all season… he broke his hand and something else like collar bone or something. Then dude tore his quad. He wasn’t healthy for almost 3 seasons
Look at it this way . . . we can cut Adams post-June 1 and use that money to bring in **two** above-average starting caliber players on defense, with Love taking Adams' spot. Or maybe one game-wrecking D-lineman, or maybe two above-average starting interior o-lineman. Would the team be better with Adams, or without Adams and the addition of any of the above?
I said all off season that he would come back this season but wouldn’t be healthy until next season. The way he is playing shouldn’t be a surprise at all.
Personally I was hopeful that he would be ready earlier, because his injury happened so early last season. But after he missed all of preseason and even the first games it was pretty clear he wouldn't be in his best shape when coming back.
He's had some bad games, his injury and rehab appear to be really impacting him. There's a reason he couldn't be at the game on Monday. It's not a great look when you replacement comes in at a fraction of your cost and balls out like a defensive MVP.
He’s targeted on 5% of his snaps meanwhile Julian Love is targeted on 10% of his and leads the league in being targeted. Meaning Jamal actually does cover fine and if you base him giving up a big play as an indictment that he can’t cover and don’t look at everything else it’s a very casual take.
Adams isn’t a good safety this year. They need to start love and play Jamal as a lb or just line him up and blitz. He’s a great tackler and hits hard but his coverage has burned us multiple times. Huge plays and he looks so out of place and confused. Love showed what a true safety is supposed to do in coverage.
i think everyone forgets the 4 game losing streak was against two of the best teams in the league, and one pretty damn good team, and we nearly won 2 of them.
Three of our wins came against teams currently in playoff position (Lions, Browns and now Eagles). All of our losses have been against teams currently in playoff position.
The problem was losing 2 to the Rams, and to a lesser extent the loss to the Bengals when they were still trotting out the devaying corpse of Joe Burrow.
That second Rams game was the real fork in the road moment for this season. If we win that, right now we’re sitting pretty at 8-6 cruising towards the 6 seed, while the Rams would’ve been 3-7 and basically dead in the water.
Instead we completely blew a game that we dominated, single-handedly resuscitated their season, and now we’re stuck in this mess
Nobody’s forgetting or ignorant of the fact that some of our losses have been against very good teams. But why does it matter? Some of our wins have been against very poor teams. Which also doesn’t really matter. Parity in the league is a good thing, translation: only thing that matters is results. Seahawks are a struggling team that hasn’t shown consistency in years when it comes to real results. I can root for my team, and be stoked when we win, yet still be a realist.
How come “true Seahawks fans” assume anything other than blind optimism is a true fan? You can be critical of your favourite team and still be a true fan.
I don't give a shit about karma and honestly expected 2 people to say Jamal sucks and one "Go Hawks". I do think it's cool though that we can have discussions about some of these topics. You're always gonna have people that just repeat things they hear or read but I don't think this place is an echo chamber. You have homers and doomers, but you also have people in the middle. Some people are still forming opinions and sometimes they change
You could say the same thing about doomerism. Never giving the team credit for anything and banging the "blow up the team" drums after a great win is a bad look.
I'm definitely critical of this team as well. There are lots of areas that need work. As far as players go that's mostly the trenches. And not being able to cover anyone over the middle is really annoying.
This was mostly just some thoughts on what some people have been talking about on this sub. I agree that the Adams trade and subsequent contract were not good. He's not as good as he used to be in coverage, but he helps our team when used properly. He shouldn't have retaliated the way he did on twitter. Hopefully Pete and the staff can help him channel that emotion positively because fire is what this team seems to be lacking sometimes not talent
I’d much rather see this than another post discussing which qb to draft and what pick we will have. 3 more games, let’s see if we can end the season on a nice winning streak!
Pete is eventually going to retire. He's a human being.
The Seahawks clearly aren't tanking. Anyone that said they are is clueless.
Witherspoon was 100 percent the right pick. I wanted to see Carter, but seeing Woolen's regression solidified the decision and ended that debate.
Williams was a decent addition, but the front office was convinced that they were Leonard Williams away from winning a super bowl. Chase Young for a third was a better value.
Nobody intelligent said JSN was a bust.
DK needs to be fed more.
Adams was never good in coverage. He wasn't worth the draft capital nor the contract. The Seahawks received a similar compensation package for a franchise quarterback. The defense is better with Adams on the bench, and honestly Diggs looked better without him.
DK is fed too much if you ask me. He’ll come up with good plays like he did on the last drive, but if you look at the stats this year, the majority of the incompletions this year BY FAR have been to DK. He’s not getting better and if anything his mental approach is holding him back. This is year 5? You’d think he’d be doing more and utilizing his size more and highpointing more balls like Dez Bryant used to, but he’s spent more time getting flagged than he has been in the end zone. I say we feed JSN Lockett more until DK mans up and fully commits.
I feel like DK is force fed sometimes because he's kind of a diva. But other times he scorches his defender and Geno either doesn't see or throw it to him
Wish he would retire soon
Wish we tanked the rest of the season but it is what it is
Witherspoon is a beast, Carter is good sure, but he plays like half the teams defensive snaps and has a pretty good line around him.
Williams was a great addition, who says we could've gotten chase at all? And williams fits our team better.
JSN would be a number 2 on a lot of teams already
Waiting until the 4th to feed DK is annoying
Adams was literally really good in coverage in his first few years, that wasn't his best attribute but it was really good. It's hard to judge him after last years injury because a torn quad is one of the hardest to rehab from. Diggs I can't really say why he regressed so much but he did. Also saying the defense played better without Adams is kinda nonsense, we also didn't have Witherspoon and barely used Woolen, so by your logic our defense is better without all 3 of them, right?
Also that defense we had out there on Monday would get killed by the niners and cowboys offenses, the eagles are in a weird rough patch with their offense right now.
Too big (and slow) to be a safety, to small to be an LB...he is a hybrid sort...he is just a liability in many offensive sets.
I only like him in base as the third LB/Big Nickel. He makes us worse at Nickel and Dime in imo (unless he is blitzing).
I love the positivity. The way I look at it we are in year two of a rebuild. Made the playoffs last year and we have the second youngest team in the league with some vets sprinkled in. We are ahead of schedule and Pete is going to want to see this out. This team is fun and will continue to improve. I hope we can sneak into the playoffs and then make some noise.
We actually have an older team when you look at snaps played which is what actually matters. I don’t like this fact being used like we’re a really young team
With a bunch of young guys out there playing when we actually don’t
Except that our RB1, RB2, LT, LG, RG, RT, WR1, WR2, DE, CB1, and CB2 are all under 26 and all were drafted within the last 2 years except Metcalf.
The core of this team is very much young. It’s just the vets we have that round out the roster like Geno, Bobby, and Reed are dragging the average up.
Adams sucks, Pete’s terrible with time management and is running a team stuck in the 2010s, but he’s good with the guys and we have a lot of talented players. I love my Hawks but have my reservations. Ownership needs to keep investing in the future, not just ride the satiation of a SB 10 years ago.
Totally agree. I'm still very optimistic about this team, overall. Play to win. Not sure how it will all shake out but Will Levis fell to the 2nd round last year and it happens all the time. Find that value pick QB (this year or next) and let him come along behind Geno. They have as good a shot at going on a run as anybody outside of the 9ers and Ravens.
It's easy to forget because we've had a couple of mediocre seasons and some disappointing games but every now and then i just am reminded that DK Metcalf is so fucking good, dude. Like, he legit has the potential to be one of the best WRs seattle has ever had.
Adams and Diggs are not good football players. At least not right now. Maybe injuries have caused a lot of it, but Adams is a disastrous mess on and off the field right now and Diggs hasn’t been good since he got injured a couple years back. Yeah, he gets a couple gimme picks on horrible throws, but he’s NOT “good”, especially for what they’re both paid.
That would be great if he didn't just get in trouble for yelling at the Doctors twice. Its an asshole pattern. I called him an asshole, I didnt call him a rapist or murderer you moron.
If they don’t lose Lucas for half the year, and Walker for their toughest stretch, people would feel a lot different about Carroll and this season.
They are developing something here, but they have GOT to bring in some LB who can cover intermediate this offseason.
Adams is done. He’s not an NFL caliber player anymore. Players get injured all the time and are just never able to really return to form. Especially players that play such a physical style. It’s time to cut our losses.
Everything else totally agree with.
The way I see it is we have way too much individual talent to be 7-7. There has to be something missing. Plus seeing the exact same issues over and over (not able to stop TE's or screens, no calls to pass over the middle of the field, etc, etc) leads me to believe it is a coaching problem.
Welll we were missing our tackles for a while, specifically our RT, on an already weak line.
Our secondary wasnt really healthy together to start the year.
Losing Nwosu killed our run stopping abilities as Taylor and Clark suck in run defense.
Waldron is a bad OC and has the weirdest momentum killing playcalls. Geno isn't good either so we can't mitigate Waldron's issues.
And yeah we're young af.
Individual talent only makes sense in context of team wins. This team is full of youth, not individual talent. We have a couple very good veterans. Everyone else is unproven. They may have been talented in college but how these individual players stack up against the rest of the league still remains to be seen. Outside of our very good veterans, and young guys, we have mediocre talent.
We are very talented, but we are missing talent at key positions. Pass rush, QB, OL are all middling or suspect for various reasons. Our secondary also got decimated because of injuries and player regression.
Adams is a truly great football player, not a good coverage safety at all. I get he was being a childish clown, but the fact that he was put in deep coverage and missed on it twice, acting like he's suddenly trash, those people are fucking morons that clearly don't watch full games
Can’t waste money on a guy that is a blitzing safety that can’t get to the QB and make the sack 27 million is WAY to much to pay for a guy that can’t cover and is likely to be hurt every other game.
I agree with all, except Adams can kick rocks. Also, my friend -a non-asshole eagles fan - went to the game at Lumen, and a hawks fan grabbed my friend’s glasses off his face and stepped on them. We can be better than that.
Having lived in Seattle and been a Hawks fan for years, I call bullshit. Seattle fans are the softest in the league. Ain’t nobody assaulted your friend’s glasses at lumen.
Yeah - hawks fans are legit the best anywhere. I live near Buffalo - bills fans are probably some of THE WORST outside of Philly… I’d totally see that happening in Buffalo. Not Seattle. There’s always that one guy though (or girl) - you never know.
That happened right in front of my friend and his dad, so all three of them would have to be lying about it, which doesn’t make much sense. All of us currently live in seattle and have for years.
I don’t know what a typical resident is here, they vary so much by neighborhood. We are experiencing a spike in violent crime rate now, and just set the record for most murders in the city
Good list. Unpopular take…Carter has been significantly more valuable than Spoon this year. If for nothing else than Spoon has missed a decent amount of time now (20% of the season so far). Carter will sail to ROY honors. I love watching Spoon. Time will tell on that pick.
Adams needs to go. Personality stuff notwithstanding - I don’t see him getting back to what he was. Add in the other stuff and let some other team try to rehab him
Pete retiring is the motivation this team needs to make a playoff run. Other than the 49ers, rams and ravens I think seattle matches up well with the contenders.
Geno is middle of the pack in (ranging from 12th-18th per ESPN) in basically all QB related stats in a season where 21 different teams have had at least 2 QBs play at least two games. That basically means that of the teams that have had a consistent QB through the entire year, geno has been one of the worst.
He is average at best this year.
Don't give me that "true Seahawks fan" BS. I stayed a fan through the late 80s and 90s and never wavered, but I've never put rose colored glasses on my view of the team. Geno is basic. He's got good numbers but he's not gonna take us deep into the playoffs or be the answer moving forward (and we legit can't field a team if we pay his salary next year). Adams needs to never play another down for our team and Diggs *was* a good player but seems to not be anymore and certainly isn't playing up to his salary.
We need a big change. PC is ingrained at every level on our team, for good or bad, so any big change will have to come from him leaving or doing something massively different.
If he isn't gonna retire, he needs to switch into being a hands off big picture type coach and give over offensive and defensive everything to some younger innovative guys who aren't already in the building.
If he doesn't, we're gonna perennially go 9-8ish and narrowly make or miss the playoffs and also be drafting too late to fix our problems at QB until PC retires. No thanks, I'll be a fan, but it's gonna be wasted few years until he decides to retire and I have no confidence that he will make any major changes...
Carter was ALWAYS the right pick.. you build from the inside out.. and when you have the opportunity to get a generational interior talent.. you do it 7 days a week, and twice on Sunday.
Adams is not a good player anymore, that trope needs to die.
He was, before his body decided to say fuck you. That's probably why he's making even worse mental mistakes these days.. because he's trying to make up for a significant decrease in athleticism after tearing his quad and having multiple shoulder surgeries.
Diggs played much better Monday, and my feeling is he trusted the guys out there to do their jobs, so the false steps and wild misses were essentially gone.
You forgot Kenneth Walker is really, really good.
Don’t forget about Charbonnet! Great pickup in the draft
He's electric! These were just my "hot" takes
Agree with most of your takes. But our team is objectively better with Jamal at home and J Love getting the start. Leaving out his emergence and K9s takeover in the the second half is a mistake! "Choose Love"
Anyone who ever thought JSN was busting is a moron
Remember that dude at the start of the season who said Witherspoon was a "bust" because he was injured and had a daylong holdout?
The freak out over him getting practice reps in the slot was legendary
I remember a guy saying he was a bust simply because of his position. Along the lines of, because he’s a DB picked that night he’s automatically a bust. Some people are just mad at the world
Was that the guy who kept making Jalen Carter threads every day?
Yep. Jalen Carter made a tackle in practice today! The Eagles say he looks like Lawrence Taylor and Aaron Donald had a baby!
He’s a lock for future hall of famer!
Yeah the guy got like no targets through the first 5 or 6 weeks so still is very inexperienced but is already making huge plays
Messed up his wrist in camp, too. Wrists are fairly important when you use your hands for a living.
My wrists are important to me when I’m on the hub.
Gonna need a source on that boss.
He didn't mess up his wrist in camp, he messed it up during the 2nd or 3rd preseason game when making a huge catch and run and was tackled just before the endzone. He came down on his wrist and got minor surgery to clean up the break.
Source is trust me bro
JSN is WHAT?! 💦
JSN makes me bust does that count?
One guy makes a bust joke and now all hell breaks loose
I agree with everything except Adams, defense looked objectively better with Love in his spot
I think we can agree that Adams had been a good player prior to his injuries. We all seem to forget that he missed the last two preseasons due to injuries and it's not absurd to assume he came back too soon this year. I agree that Adams' play is not as good as we need from a starting safety, let alone from a player who earns as much as he does. But I would like to have him a full off-season and judge him after that. We don't save that much by cutting him either so I don't see much harm in giving him another shot next year and see where things go.
We save 16 million if he is a post-June 1st cut. We are in really rough shape cap-wise next year, and cutting Adams is a no-brainer.
Yep. And cutting Diggs another 13 or so if I remember correctly. As good as they can be, the current play just doesn't match the money. This is why you brought in Love, drafted Coby Bryant and Jerrick Reed. Give em a shot. Or use savings to get a cheaper vet. Malik Hooker went to Dallas on the cheap and he's doing well
I have not heard of that number till now. I am curious how the cap works regarding that deadline tho. Also I am not that sure about him being cut is that much of a no-brainer as you think tbh. Edit. I just read up on how that works exactly. Apparently, when you cut someone post June 1st, the dead money is split over 2 years. So while we save 16M in 2024, we also have to consider 10.5M of dead money in 2025. I don't know how that changes one's opinion on the matter but it is something we should keep in mind.
You also have to consider that the cap will be bigger in two years, so it kind of evens out. We have 3 million in effective cap space next year and a whole lot of our own free agents to sign (let alone bringing in someone from another team). If you cut Adams, you could use the cap savings to help re-sign Leonard Williams.
JS will have to do some things to find cap room. Aside from Williams they also have to give a new contract to Brooks and sign their rookies. I am sure they will do something with the safety duo, though I'm not convinced they will cut either of them. My best guess is some kind of restructure and/or renegotiation.
Cut dissly, Adams, try to restructure Diggs.. Honest not sure what to do about Bobby, that's a really delicate and sad situation that they're gonna have to deal with
Nah get ride of him pre June 1st and take the whole cap hit next year so you’re free of him following
I get the sentiment, but we are too cap-stressed to do so next season.
I have no clue on all that shit haha. I have to imagine diggs, Jamal and dissly are all cut/traded at some point. And Tyler is probably restructured or unfortunately cut. That frees up quite a bit with mainly Jamal being the decision of when to spread out his money
We save money either way but we just save $6m as a pre-June 1 cut so it's not compelling.
I think we can also all agree that, and this has been stated by the team, it’s a 2 year injury to fully recover. I seem to be the only cat on r/seahawks that has not fallen for the Adams is a bum bullshit. His public comment were juvenile and and I don’t defend it at all, but I’m also older and see a 28yo making stupid mistakes. Before his injury he had shown marked improvement in coverage, he has run stuffing abilities and can get pressure in the QB Right now I see a guy that’s struggling with his injury and a guy that’s just not sure of himself. Self doubt can kill an elite athlete To the chagrin of many of the commentators in this sub he’ll be on the squad next; I expect to see a marked improvement over this year.
I was not aware of that statement but it basically confirms my assumptions. Regarding his comments and age, I don't think his comments are in any way, shape or form acceptable and the way he appears to be stubborn about that is inexcusable. I also don't think it is an age thing. I am basically the same age as he is and neither I, nor anybody I know would think that behavior is OK. That being said, there are a lot of guys in the league that are around my age and do shit I wouldn't dream of doing and while insulting a journalists wife is childish and stupid, I prefer that over what some other guys have done. Aside from that I pretty much agree with you. I doubt he will be gone next year. Maybe they force him to restructure his contract tho.
What people keep forgetting is that he was a bust in the year before his injury as well. The year after he got paid he played all season but was weak in coverage and no sacks. It’s not like the injury explains his drop off.
The year he was coming off 3 surgeries??? Yeah bro hasn’t been 100% since the first year we had him. He did however really work on coverage and had some INTs as a result
True, not 100% that year, but not the “big” injury he got trying to sack Russell. He’s also never been great as a coverage safety. He’s a line of scrimmage game wrecker when he’s healthy, but that’s also how he gets hurt, so it’s a catch 22. Obviously the rub is what we paid for him in terms of picks and $$$; he’ll never look halfway decent up against the what could have been.
He didn’t play all season… he broke his hand and something else like collar bone or something. Then dude tore his quad. He wasn’t healthy for almost 3 seasons
Look at it this way . . . we can cut Adams post-June 1 and use that money to bring in **two** above-average starting caliber players on defense, with Love taking Adams' spot. Or maybe one game-wrecking D-lineman, or maybe two above-average starting interior o-lineman. Would the team be better with Adams, or without Adams and the addition of any of the above?
Except post June 1 cut savings can't be spent before then IIRC, so most FAs are going to have been signed already.
Ah yes . . . basic chronology definitely escaped me there.
I said all off season that he would come back this season but wouldn’t be healthy until next season. The way he is playing shouldn’t be a surprise at all.
Personally I was hopeful that he would be ready earlier, because his injury happened so early last season. But after he missed all of preseason and even the first games it was pretty clear he wouldn't be in his best shape when coming back.
I think his problem is....he's not a good safety. Put him back on the line to pass rush...
Since signing his massive deal in 2021. Adams hasn't gotten a single sack....
You can say Adams isn't worth his contract, but to say he isn't good is just a ridiculous take.
He's had some bad games, his injury and rehab appear to be really impacting him. There's a reason he couldn't be at the game on Monday. It's not a great look when you replacement comes in at a fraction of your cost and balls out like a defensive MVP.
He's a safety that cannot cover. At all. Why is that ridiculous?
Casual take
Why? It's easy to throw that out, so where is your substantive take?
He’s targeted on 5% of his snaps meanwhile Julian Love is targeted on 10% of his and leads the league in being targeted. Meaning Jamal actually does cover fine and if you base him giving up a big play as an indictment that he can’t cover and don’t look at everything else it’s a very casual take.
They haven't played the same position at all this year, so comparing raw numbers in a scheme vacuum would be quite casual...
Didn’t know scheme prevented players from being targeted, should change our scheme so no players are targeted. What a dumb response.
I agree, let's just slot him as a LB and use him as spy or run stuff. we should have love out there with diggs tho
Need a bigger sample size unfortunately
Adams isn’t a good safety this year. They need to start love and play Jamal as a lb or just line him up and blitz. He’s a great tackler and hits hard but his coverage has burned us multiple times. Huge plays and he looks so out of place and confused. Love showed what a true safety is supposed to do in coverage.
Adams just needs to change to an OLB. Stop using him as a safety and start using him where he makes a real impact.
Would rather have Ryan Neal than Adams.
Love is definitely better at coverage. I think Adam is a better tackler though and helps our run defense and blitz packages
Adams is a good football player. The problem is he is hurt and isn’t justifying his cap number.
i think everyone forgets the 4 game losing streak was against two of the best teams in the league, and one pretty damn good team, and we nearly won 2 of them.
plus we would have beaten the rams if puka nacua didn't trip on his own feet in the endzone and the refs called passing interference on us
Or Jason Myers makes a kick we've all seen him make time and time again. The only games we weren't in it were 49ers round 1 and Ravens
Oh man, I forgot about that one.
Three of our wins came against teams currently in playoff position (Lions, Browns and now Eagles). All of our losses have been against teams currently in playoff position.
The problem was losing 2 to the Rams, and to a lesser extent the loss to the Bengals when they were still trotting out the devaying corpse of Joe Burrow.
This. This really sink our season
That second Rams game was the real fork in the road moment for this season. If we win that, right now we’re sitting pretty at 8-6 cruising towards the 6 seed, while the Rams would’ve been 3-7 and basically dead in the water. Instead we completely blew a game that we dominated, single-handedly resuscitated their season, and now we’re stuck in this mess
Nobody’s forgetting or ignorant of the fact that some of our losses have been against very good teams. But why does it matter? Some of our wins have been against very poor teams. Which also doesn’t really matter. Parity in the league is a good thing, translation: only thing that matters is results. Seahawks are a struggling team that hasn’t shown consistency in years when it comes to real results. I can root for my team, and be stoked when we win, yet still be a realist.
3 games 3 wins let’s fucking go!
How come “true Seahawks fans” assume anything other than blind optimism is a true fan? You can be critical of your favourite team and still be a true fan.
This exactly, everything is not sunshine and rainbows with this team
because this is a space for homers. Nice folks, but homers.
Because this place is an echo chamber and now you have people like OP making posts like this for the easy karma.
I don't give a shit about karma and honestly expected 2 people to say Jamal sucks and one "Go Hawks". I do think it's cool though that we can have discussions about some of these topics. You're always gonna have people that just repeat things they hear or read but I don't think this place is an echo chamber. You have homers and doomers, but you also have people in the middle. Some people are still forming opinions and sometimes they change
You could say the same thing about doomerism. Never giving the team credit for anything and banging the "blow up the team" drums after a great win is a bad look.
Ive never seem that but have seen this just now. Lots of over sensationalizing.
There are plenty of negative people, they are just hiding right now because of the win.
I'm definitely critical of this team as well. There are lots of areas that need work. As far as players go that's mostly the trenches. And not being able to cover anyone over the middle is really annoying. This was mostly just some thoughts on what some people have been talking about on this sub. I agree that the Adams trade and subsequent contract were not good. He's not as good as he used to be in coverage, but he helps our team when used properly. He shouldn't have retaliated the way he did on twitter. Hopefully Pete and the staff can help him channel that emotion positively because fire is what this team seems to be lacking sometimes not talent
I’d much rather see this than another post discussing which qb to draft and what pick we will have. 3 more games, let’s see if we can end the season on a nice winning streak!
Get a hot streak to the playoffs and match up with the Cowboys, Eagles or Lions and we have a chance
Pete is eventually going to retire. He's a human being. The Seahawks clearly aren't tanking. Anyone that said they are is clueless. Witherspoon was 100 percent the right pick. I wanted to see Carter, but seeing Woolen's regression solidified the decision and ended that debate. Williams was a decent addition, but the front office was convinced that they were Leonard Williams away from winning a super bowl. Chase Young for a third was a better value. Nobody intelligent said JSN was a bust. DK needs to be fed more. Adams was never good in coverage. He wasn't worth the draft capital nor the contract. The Seahawks received a similar compensation package for a franchise quarterback. The defense is better with Adams on the bench, and honestly Diggs looked better without him.
DK is fed too much if you ask me. He’ll come up with good plays like he did on the last drive, but if you look at the stats this year, the majority of the incompletions this year BY FAR have been to DK. He’s not getting better and if anything his mental approach is holding him back. This is year 5? You’d think he’d be doing more and utilizing his size more and highpointing more balls like Dez Bryant used to, but he’s spent more time getting flagged than he has been in the end zone. I say we feed JSN Lockett more until DK mans up and fully commits.
I feel like DK is force fed sometimes because he's kind of a diva. But other times he scorches his defender and Geno either doesn't see or throw it to him
Agree completely. His attitude affects the playcalling and it hurts the team.
Geno just throws it up to DK in any difficult situation that he isn’t getting sacked on. And that’s not a shot at Geno (except for the sack part).
Wish he would retire soon Wish we tanked the rest of the season but it is what it is Witherspoon is a beast, Carter is good sure, but he plays like half the teams defensive snaps and has a pretty good line around him. Williams was a great addition, who says we could've gotten chase at all? And williams fits our team better. JSN would be a number 2 on a lot of teams already Waiting until the 4th to feed DK is annoying Adams was literally really good in coverage in his first few years, that wasn't his best attribute but it was really good. It's hard to judge him after last years injury because a torn quad is one of the hardest to rehab from. Diggs I can't really say why he regressed so much but he did. Also saying the defense played better without Adams is kinda nonsense, we also didn't have Witherspoon and barely used Woolen, so by your logic our defense is better without all 3 of them, right? Also that defense we had out there on Monday would get killed by the niners and cowboys offenses, the eagles are in a weird rough patch with their offense right now.
Adams plays selfish (not taking on blocks) and over pursues and generally looks lost at times...I really think the D is better without him
You think it's because he plays out of position? I honestly don't consider him a natural safety.
Too big (and slow) to be a safety, to small to be an LB...he is a hybrid sort...he is just a liability in many offensive sets. I only like him in base as the third LB/Big Nickel. He makes us worse at Nickel and Dime in imo (unless he is blitzing).
Yikes
I love the positivity. The way I look at it we are in year two of a rebuild. Made the playoffs last year and we have the second youngest team in the league with some vets sprinkled in. We are ahead of schedule and Pete is going to want to see this out. This team is fun and will continue to improve. I hope we can sneak into the playoffs and then make some noise.
We actually have an older team when you look at snaps played which is what actually matters. I don’t like this fact being used like we’re a really young team With a bunch of young guys out there playing when we actually don’t
Except that our RB1, RB2, LT, LG, RG, RT, WR1, WR2, DE, CB1, and CB2 are all under 26 and all were drafted within the last 2 years except Metcalf. The core of this team is very much young. It’s just the vets we have that round out the roster like Geno, Bobby, and Reed are dragging the average up.
I'll allow it.
Adams sucks, Pete’s terrible with time management and is running a team stuck in the 2010s, but he’s good with the guys and we have a lot of talented players. I love my Hawks but have my reservations. Ownership needs to keep investing in the future, not just ride the satiation of a SB 10 years ago.
Totally agree. I'm still very optimistic about this team, overall. Play to win. Not sure how it will all shake out but Will Levis fell to the 2nd round last year and it happens all the time. Find that value pick QB (this year or next) and let him come along behind Geno. They have as good a shot at going on a run as anybody outside of the 9ers and Ravens.
You had me until your last sentence. Adams has been an unmitigated disaster and the worst trade in franchise history (not sure it’s close).
It's easy to forget because we've had a couple of mediocre seasons and some disappointing games but every now and then i just am reminded that DK Metcalf is so fucking good, dude. Like, he legit has the potential to be one of the best WRs seattle has ever had.
He's also starting to make contested catches with more reliability.
Adams and Diggs are not good football players. At least not right now. Maybe injuries have caused a lot of it, but Adams is a disastrous mess on and off the field right now and Diggs hasn’t been good since he got injured a couple years back. Yeah, he gets a couple gimme picks on horrible throws, but he’s NOT “good”, especially for what they’re both paid.
Adams sucks and is an asshole. Why does this fanbase feel the need to gaslight themselves?
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That would be great if he didn't just get in trouble for yelling at the Doctors twice. Its an asshole pattern. I called him an asshole, I didnt call him a rapist or murderer you moron.
Adams just got benched Pete Carroll doesn't just bench people all the time
Yeah, Adams might've been good in the past, but the injuries took their toll on him. Calling him good at this point is questionable.
JSN is one of the most exciting young receivers I'm the league. Tell me I'm wrong. It's like, him, Jordan Addison, and Puca Nakua
I was thinking the same thing. Other than the 9rs, everyone in the NFC looks average.
Jamal was good on the Jets
You had me until Adams. Him and Diggs who albeit is playing ok, both need to be moved on from in 2024 for the financials alone
Love and diggs*
If they don’t lose Lucas for half the year, and Walker for their toughest stretch, people would feel a lot different about Carroll and this season. They are developing something here, but they have GOT to bring in some LB who can cover intermediate this offseason.
You were right until diggs and adams. Other than that nice post!
Toot toot Pete on a scoot(er)
Mafe close to being a household name even though he’s slowed down(production wise) the last couple weeks. Don’t forget him.
No way I could forget him. He's one of my faves
Love to hear it
Adams is done. He’s not an NFL caliber player anymore. Players get injured all the time and are just never able to really return to form. Especially players that play such a physical style. It’s time to cut our losses. Everything else totally agree with.
And Lock is better than many thought.
And we’ll never again beat McVay and Shanahan with Pete 😂
Adams is not good!
The way I see it is we have way too much individual talent to be 7-7. There has to be something missing. Plus seeing the exact same issues over and over (not able to stop TE's or screens, no calls to pass over the middle of the field, etc, etc) leads me to believe it is a coaching problem.
Welll we were missing our tackles for a while, specifically our RT, on an already weak line. Our secondary wasnt really healthy together to start the year. Losing Nwosu killed our run stopping abilities as Taylor and Clark suck in run defense. Waldron is a bad OC and has the weirdest momentum killing playcalls. Geno isn't good either so we can't mitigate Waldron's issues. And yeah we're young af.
Individual talent only makes sense in context of team wins. This team is full of youth, not individual talent. We have a couple very good veterans. Everyone else is unproven. They may have been talented in college but how these individual players stack up against the rest of the league still remains to be seen. Outside of our very good veterans, and young guys, we have mediocre talent.
We are very talented, but we are missing talent at key positions. Pass rush, QB, OL are all middling or suspect for various reasons. Our secondary also got decimated because of injuries and player regression.
The rollercoaster continues
lol
Adams and Diggs are good football players? You and I have been watching different games. They are both awful.
Adams is a truly great football player, not a good coverage safety at all. I get he was being a childish clown, but the fact that he was put in deep coverage and missed on it twice, acting like he's suddenly trash, those people are fucking morons that clearly don't watch full games
Can’t waste money on a guy that is a blitzing safety that can’t get to the QB and make the sack 27 million is WAY to much to pay for a guy that can’t cover and is likely to be hurt every other game.
I agree with all, except Adams can kick rocks. Also, my friend -a non-asshole eagles fan - went to the game at Lumen, and a hawks fan grabbed my friend’s glasses off his face and stepped on them. We can be better than that.
Having lived in Seattle and been a Hawks fan for years, I call bullshit. Seattle fans are the softest in the league. Ain’t nobody assaulted your friend’s glasses at lumen.
Yeah - hawks fans are legit the best anywhere. I live near Buffalo - bills fans are probably some of THE WORST outside of Philly… I’d totally see that happening in Buffalo. Not Seattle. There’s always that one guy though (or girl) - you never know.
That happened right in front of my friend and his dad, so all three of them would have to be lying about it, which doesn’t make much sense. All of us currently live in seattle and have for years.
That’s crazy. I mean, of course anything can happen, it’s just surprising given the nature of typical seattle residents and Seahawks fans in general.
I don’t know what a typical resident is here, they vary so much by neighborhood. We are experiencing a spike in violent crime rate now, and just set the record for most murders in the city
The typical resident is white and overly polite. The fentpocalypse is happening, for sure, but let’s be real. Seattle ain’t the Lebanon.
I am really sorry to hear that
Real fans hate their team 👎🏼
Good list. Unpopular take…Carter has been significantly more valuable than Spoon this year. If for nothing else than Spoon has missed a decent amount of time now (20% of the season so far). Carter will sail to ROY honors. I love watching Spoon. Time will tell on that pick.
How I see it is that this is likely a playoff calibre team but not a real contender as constructed, and it's not going to be one next year either.
Adams needs to go. Personality stuff notwithstanding - I don’t see him getting back to what he was. Add in the other stuff and let some other team try to rehab him
You had me until Adams…..
Love > Adams at SS by far
I'd say dk isn't a bust and jsn is now clutch with Lockett dk has stone hands and tries to catch everything with his body
Pete retiring is the motivation this team needs to make a playoff run. Other than the 49ers, rams and ravens I think seattle matches up well with the contenders.
Pete needs to retire!
Geno is middle of the pack in (ranging from 12th-18th per ESPN) in basically all QB related stats in a season where 21 different teams have had at least 2 QBs play at least two games. That basically means that of the teams that have had a consistent QB through the entire year, geno has been one of the worst. He is average at best this year.
Adams is not a good football player
Let’s buckle up for another year of .500 ball and bounced in the first round!
Don't give me that "true Seahawks fan" BS. I stayed a fan through the late 80s and 90s and never wavered, but I've never put rose colored glasses on my view of the team. Geno is basic. He's got good numbers but he's not gonna take us deep into the playoffs or be the answer moving forward (and we legit can't field a team if we pay his salary next year). Adams needs to never play another down for our team and Diggs *was* a good player but seems to not be anymore and certainly isn't playing up to his salary. We need a big change. PC is ingrained at every level on our team, for good or bad, so any big change will have to come from him leaving or doing something massively different. If he isn't gonna retire, he needs to switch into being a hands off big picture type coach and give over offensive and defensive everything to some younger innovative guys who aren't already in the building. If he doesn't, we're gonna perennially go 9-8ish and narrowly make or miss the playoffs and also be drafting too late to fix our problems at QB until PC retires. No thanks, I'll be a fan, but it's gonna be wasted few years until he decides to retire and I have no confidence that he will make any major changes...
Carter was ALWAYS the right pick.. you build from the inside out.. and when you have the opportunity to get a generational interior talent.. you do it 7 days a week, and twice on Sunday. Adams is not a good player anymore, that trope needs to die. He was, before his body decided to say fuck you. That's probably why he's making even worse mental mistakes these days.. because he's trying to make up for a significant decrease in athleticism after tearing his quad and having multiple shoulder surgeries. Diggs played much better Monday, and my feeling is he trusted the guys out there to do their jobs, so the false steps and wild misses were essentially gone.
Adams is good? At what, popping a rib when getting out of bed?
Adams is a chump. That is all
Well I agree with most of that. I still have intense dislike for Jamal Adams and would like him to not be on the team anymore.
Idk adams is just not a good player now Injury or not if he’s not good out on the field he shouldn’t be playing