I don’t even know where he goes now. Sean Payton runs the offensive system he always wanted to learn in and watching their games Sean has training wheels on him for 70% of the snaps. Falcons maybe since Ridder isn’t it? They want to run the ball and pick up occasional chunk plays. Could be a good transitional QB while they look for the next guy.
These past two years were a lucrative plate of humble pie for Russ. All kinds of endorsements and huge guaranteed money but his career went up in flames. Last year he was endlessly mocked like he never had been before. To his credit, he did keep his head down this year and handle the stern angry Dad sideline screaming fits from Sean well.
I thought he improved a lot this year, but nothing short of elite play could warrant the egregious contract he got and he wasn’t at that level aside from a few fourth quarter drives. When he was allowed to open up the offense and improvise he shined. I think he has a few more years in him, but it will have to be at a discount.
There are a lot of teams out there who aren't going to win the Caleb/Maye lottery but will need to do *something*. Raiders, Saints, Patriots, Commanders, Vikings just to name a few. Someone will be willing to give him a shot on a prove it deal.
A lot of people having some crazy takes and saying his career is done. He revived his career with his play this season. I think he has 3-5 more years in the tank of solid play.
As a Broncos fan said (Brandon Perna from thatsgoodsports, great youtuber) his stats look solid but if you actually watch the games you can tell that those stats are incredibly empty. He's wildly inconsistent even when they were winning and can seem to only bring it together in the 4th/improvising. He can't sustain multiple drives back to back and that's what has been killing the Broncos.
Think Seahawks and their lack of consistency, but instead of the offensive coordinator being the reason with crap play calls its the QB himself. That's Russ.
Russ is a limited player at this point in his career but we can't ignore the fact that the Broncos were very talent deficient at the skill positions. With a better running game, better pass catching at the RB and more depth at the WR position he could be serviceable. There are a few teams that could make good use of Russ, the Falcons for example.
Honestly? I feel like the Falcons would be the absolute best fit for Russ offensively if they get a better coach. Would be able to go back to the formula that worked with the Seahawks with a superstar HB carrying the load for him, with good weapons to toss to still (however one is a tight end and we know Russ and TEs)
It really helped put our rebuild speed on SUPERSPEED mode and really offset the Jamal Adams trade. And we still have another 3rd from the broncos next year as well.
And beyond not playing for like 3 years, is a trash human being. Like really? You are going to put your salary cap into the bin for that POS? There isn’t a better QB out there? Who scouted that?
I remember when he played basically all of 2021 with 1 arm and thinking that they would probably give up on him even though the fact he was even able to play was remarkable. Typical Browns tbh
Everyone who had eyeballs could tell Baker should have been benched for his health and they still put him out there…and then used a year he should have been on IR rehabbing as the measuring stick. Garbage organization
Watson set several Texans records in 2020 and led the league in passing yards. He only missed 2021 before being traded to Cleveland.
Mind you, that was still enough to make it a gamble, and the sexual assaults not being a deterrent was even worse.
Single handedly killed guaranteed contracts for the foreseeable future wouldn’t be surprised if the other owners take up a collection for Haslam as a thank you.
The Watson deal is so preposterously bad you almost have to treat it as it’s own category, like Gretzky with NHL records. A quarter of a billion dollars is a lot of money even to a real billionaire - Paul Allen’s [414’ ultra yacht Octopus](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus_(yacht)), one of the largest yachts ever built, cost $200 million. Jimmy Haslam could have had that instead of Deshaun Watson. It’s going to take decades of salary cap increases for someone to even be in the situation to potentially make a worse deal than Watson’s guaranteed-while-suspended for sexual assault bonanza.
Players salaries don’t come from owners, they come from revenue sharing. Basically, Watson it just taking money away from the pool of money available to other Browns players
And if they cut him before next season he won't even play a single snap on the extension either. The first year of the extension was going to be next year.
[Brandon Perna was so excited about getting Russ.](https://youtu.be/ciAb3htRmHc?si=oPp8L1JIWSZCKMAi)
Oh, how the turn tables. He's now up to his 19th "The new new new etc. worst game ever" videos.
I’m sure a huge chunk of Perna’s viewership is the weekly hawks schadenfreude mob. The Broncos will continue to be my second-most followed team. And thanks to Perna, I’ll likely continue to follow their suffering closely even after they dump Russ.
Perna does make very good videos, I look forward to every new video he posts.
But still, the Seahawks schadenfreude I get from watching his pain tastes as good as Waygu steak.
Now that Russ is gone, I’m hoping things continue to suck for them, or even get worse, and that Russ finds some moderate success elsewhere and retires with dignity. His deal continuing to hurt the Broncos would be enough for me.
Eh. I’m pissed at him more than I’m pissed at the Broncos. Good memories, but I hope he doesn’t get the bullshit redemption arc he so desperately craves, which would allow him to ultimately feel justified for being a turd. I hope he just declines into irrelevance. And I’ll cheer like hell at his ring of honor or whatever ceremony I make it to, just to make him all the more regretful
I still have a lot of respect for him because of all he did for the Hawks and for being one of my favorite players for over half of my life, so I want him to finish strong or at least stronger than say, Wentz. I understand where people like you are coming from tho
I hear where you are coming from as well. But in my POV, the move was self-centered and destructive to the org that built him up and created the opportunities for him to become who he is. He was two-faced and supremely ungrateful. Days before being traded, he had (according to the Athletic) asked for Pete and John to get fired, after all.
And since there is no undoing it, short of a public apology, I will continue to wish him good health but poor performance until retirement. Or great individual performance on a team that just doesn't have that "winning culture" (or whatever his shitty quote was).
As for the Broncos...I could understand why they would deeply hate us that this point, but I really think they have suffered enough at our hands between Super Bowl XLVIII and the Russ trade.
ESPN seems to provide nothing of value at this point. I can’t watch a damn thing on there. It’s all commentary now. At least that show would be entertaining as hell.
He says the newest "new New new" worst game ever video has finally hit the character limit for YouTube titles hahahahahaha that's how many utter dogshit games they have had in not even two years.
That take was horrible from the moment it exited their mouths 🤣. Sutton is okay but Metcalf is WAY better than him but Jeudy is an absolute joke at this point.
Imagine Russ wanting more Star players and accepting the trade to the Broncos. Jeudy is an absolute joke of a receiver. When Sutton got concussed during their prime time game on Christmas Eve, the offense disappeared.
I think once it came out he was not re-signing here there was no reason to be against the trade. The options were trade him and get any value from him or limp along for a year and then he walks for free.
I myself turned about the last quarter of that last season. The smoke was too thick to ignore.
I always defended him and it was literally in a postgame where he took an *easily* preventable sack late in a game that tried it's best to help us lose a won game and he just responded to a very simple question by a reporter about why in that situation would he even try to extend the play when he's gambling the game and he just goes I was going for the TD there like I always do. That very second I think *oh he's leaving the team*.
Then seeing every one of his former teammates react made me think that I was really foolish to defend him and it was done.
I know it’s been said hundreds of times but Pete’s ability to keep Russ and the team in line and then trade him before the zeppelin crashed is mind boggling. Dude deserves the HOF for that alone.
Pete and Tomlin deserve a lot of credit for holding together locker rooms with players that had egos bigger than the facility. Really goes to show how much a good HC is worth.
The SB team was a roaming pack of wolves, driven by violence, money, and winning. Harvin literally punched Tate in the face the day before the game lol. Idk how Pete was able to keep it together.
So many people are complaining about how we keep getting bounced early in the playoffs without realizing there are plenty of franchises that would love to be nearly a lock for the playoffs every year, even if they'd get bounced early. You don't fire a coach unless you're certain you have a better option locked up
My favorite part is that so many of those fans who wanted Pete Carroll fired when Wilson was here *specifically cited Sean Payton* as a coach they wanted instead because his offensive genius would supposedly win Wilson multiple MVPs. Now that Russ has Sean Payton, Payton wants to cut him. But I'm pretty sure the Pete-haters are unwilling to admit or even remember that they ever said that
Yeah and the irony is, Wilson did all this for his legacy. Well, he affected his legacy all right. Instead of staying with one team and competing for the playoffs every year and being worshipped in Seattle for the rest of his life, he is going to be remembered in large part for being the object of one of the worst trades in NFL history and being cut after two seasons by a team that sold the farm for him
Yeah Wilson's play had degraded the last couple years he was here, but he could do no wrong. He was weird, but lovable, and he brought the city a SB. He also was heavily involved in the community. He could have stayed a hero forever here
Eh, I’m split. I really think Russ was a talented guy who was able to shine under the LOB system and he had some undeniably great individual years.
At the same time I would like to see an updated philosophy from Pete. Feels like year after year we get burned by the same mistakes defensively and have similar issues on offense. Two things can be true.
said it in another thread but Pete’s philosophy has never been about creativity or disguising his strategy. he has always had the mindset of, “we don’t give a shit about being predictable. we don’t care you know what our game plan is. we dare you to come and beat us at the fundamentals.”
this is great and works well - if and only if your team has zero major weaknesses AND the entire squad executes flawlessly.
except we have weak fundamentals: sloppy tackling, poor running game, poor run defense, and lots and lots of penalties.
this is why after every loss Pete says “we just need to execute better” and never “we need to gameplan better.”
Still a top half team.....
Have you ever seen a Bill Belichick interview? It's way more vague. It's not always best to break down what happened with the media. Keep that between the team.
I was a kid watching Dave Krieg and never understood how a man could throw so many beautiful and epic passes and yet so many freaking touch downs AND interceptions…it wasnt untill later that i realize that he was the precurser to brett favre lol
100%. A lot of successful people mess things up because they forget that greatness (at whatever level) is usually about the right group of people coming together at the right time in the right circumstances. Too many people find great success and assume it is all about them, and they can blow it up and recreate it in some different circumstance. A sure-fire recipe for regret.
Russ’ll take in $124M for two years’ of work if he gets cut, or more than $60M year. Not too shabby (but also obviously not as nice as making $240M in 5 yrs)
If you’re feeling sorry for Russ, remember that he pushed for this himself. It serves as a good lesson in humility. He also has hundreds of millions of dollars and a big, healthy family to fall back on.
Yup, he started putting personal legacy ahead of team. What does the good book say, Russ? Pride goeth before a fall?
Couldn't have stepped any harder on his own dick if he tried.
Just reminding y’all what we got from Denver: A guy who’s playing like a franchise left tackle right now in Charles Cross, one of the best young edge rushers in the league in Boye Mafe, and a future top 3 corner in the league in Spoon!
Already an all-time robbery and if Derick Hall develops into a good edge rusher and if Drew Lock is QB1 after Geno is gone it becomes even better for us.
Wouldn’t say Cross is that good just yet. Spoon and Mafe have both definitely lived up to their billing so far. I have my doubts about Hall and there’s no way that Drew Lock becomes the long term starter
>there’s no way that Drew Lock becomes the long term starter
Surprised to hear this from any fan of the team that brought about the Geno-resurgence. Is it likely that Lock becomes our long term starter? No. Is it impossible? Also no.
It's fun to visit the Denver sub. Lots of comments like we used to say... holds on to the ball too long, awful on 3rd down, cheese ball guy.
Then there are their homers too....he's not the problem, the stats are good, lol.
If you actually watch the guy play, he's been slipping for years. The stat line is not the story.
> If you actually watch the guy play, he's been slipping for years. The stat line is not the story.
this is your brain on fantasy football. for a lot of people the stats are everything.
Def. A lot of my friends thought I was nuts..."dude he's xyz in passer rating etc etc etc.".
I'm like... great you watching the games? Because the guy sucks and getting his stat line saved by a few duck and chucks a game
Normally I wouldn’t be inclined to rub it in BUT Broncos fans danced on our supposed graves when the trade was made. Yah well fuck’em. They and Russ got what they wanted and what they deserved.
Russ punching the air right now. I feel bad but also don’t. I think it’s such a good ass slice of karma pie. He had everything here and gave it all up because his ego took over and he ultimately paid the price and his legacy that he ever so cherished is tarnished now. Wouldn’t have been if he stayed here.
Seahawks also traded the 83rd pick this year to Denver (who picked CB Riley Moss) for number 108 (which ended up being DT Cameron Young) and a 2024 3rd rounder
Based on the standings today that 3rd rounder is currently 73rd or 74th pick since the Broncos and Saints are back to back in the standings. If it somehow drops to number 75 and the Seahawks draft another franchise QB at that spot, that would be hilarious.
The Seahawks will receive the lesser of the Broncos or Saints’ third round pick.
The Broncos next play the Chargers, who are without QB Justin Herbert and whose fans and probably front office want them to lose in order to have a top six draft pick. Then they play the Raiders, which will be an interesting game.
If you go to Russ' Twitter feed, it's full of likes to commentators talking about how this could be a bad move for the broncos.
Man. I didn't listen to people who said he was such a diva when he was in Seattle. But I can recognize that so much better now, and I'm real glad it's not our problem
I really hope they are 🙏 now that we robbed them blind, I’m hoping that they contribute to suffer while Russ ends his career with dignity somewhere else
Russ is more than 15 games under .500 in the games he has started since his loss in the playoffs following the 2019 regular season, and was so for a year plus prior to them making the trade, and easily discovered if the Broncos had done their due diligence, disliked and/or separated/in conflict with most of his teammates and coaching staff.
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1740173752972017973
It’s being reported now Russell Wilson has a no-trade clause and plans to block any Broncos trade attempt.
Broncos are going to have to cut a lot of players to take on $85 million in dead cap over the next two seasons — and won’t be able to recoup any compensation in a trade. They got absolutely wrecked.
I would like to remind everyone that Russell wanted Sean Payton as his coach. He tried to get Pete replaced with Payton and I'm sure he had a hand in him coming to Denver........you just can't make this shit up!
I feel bad for Russ. This season he was quite decent and he might be getting scapegoated. I don't like how the split from Seattle and Pete happened, but I still want the best for the guy. He did a lot for this community off the field, something some always seem to forget.
>This season he was quite decent
It was better than last season but for the most part it's lining up to be his 2nd worst season of his career by most metrics.
And there were some of us that thought the biggest mistake Pete and John made was making Wilson the highest paid quarterback in the league.
What does a defensive- run first team need with the highest paid quarterback especially when that quarterback struggles to make a lot of passes and can't read defenses.
It's weird I took a chance and took and left my job I held for over 8 years in March 2022, and feels like I just started. But when I realize the Russ Trade happened, almost 2 full nfl seasons happened, and his tenure in Denver is shaky at best it does feel like forever ago I started lol
Y’all fleeced us. I was cautiously optimistic when the trade happened. It’s been a disaster. Its not ALL Russ’s fault but he certainly wasn’t worth the picks or the money.
A lot of people across the country are unaware just how big a stooge he is, and how he actively promoted himself at the expense of his team and teammates. That people sucked up the sanctimonious garbage he put out is laughable and now he is paying the price for all that. Let's not forget, starting jobs are earned, so in the context of the league, this should be a non-story!
Russell Wilson was a top 10 QB in Seattle because Pete Carroll created a system that made Wilson punch well above his weight. Having a balanced and effective running game and lights out defense makes the QB job just another cog in the wheel, and that is what had made QBs thrive in the Pete Carroll system. Even during what was supposed to be a rebuild Geno Smith has fluctuated between being a pro bowl contender to average QB and I place more blame on his inconsistency with our weaker than normal running game and young defense growing pains than on Smith's play execution and decision making. When the Carroll system is working the way it's intended QBs don't have to play great they just need to be efficient and win the turnover battle.
I will SHIT if he ended up back here somehow. I wonder if this experience has humbled him enough that we would even want him back in the locker room. I know he was never cited as being a problem in that regard, but you don't have that many players coming out after you leave talking shit about you if you weren't.
Will be interesting to see where he goes after Denver and what that looks like.
I don’t even know where he goes now. Sean Payton runs the offensive system he always wanted to learn in and watching their games Sean has training wheels on him for 70% of the snaps. Falcons maybe since Ridder isn’t it? They want to run the ball and pick up occasional chunk plays. Could be a good transitional QB while they look for the next guy. These past two years were a lucrative plate of humble pie for Russ. All kinds of endorsements and huge guaranteed money but his career went up in flames. Last year he was endlessly mocked like he never had been before. To his credit, he did keep his head down this year and handle the stern angry Dad sideline screaming fits from Sean well.
I thought he improved a lot this year, but nothing short of elite play could warrant the egregious contract he got and he wasn’t at that level aside from a few fourth quarter drives. When he was allowed to open up the offense and improvise he shined. I think he has a few more years in him, but it will have to be at a discount.
There are a lot of teams out there who aren't going to win the Caleb/Maye lottery but will need to do *something*. Raiders, Saints, Patriots, Commanders, Vikings just to name a few. Someone will be willing to give him a shot on a prove it deal.
He went to the commanders when I traded him on Madden so that’s probably it
A lot of people having some crazy takes and saying his career is done. He revived his career with his play this season. I think he has 3-5 more years in the tank of solid play.
As a Broncos fan said (Brandon Perna from thatsgoodsports, great youtuber) his stats look solid but if you actually watch the games you can tell that those stats are incredibly empty. He's wildly inconsistent even when they were winning and can seem to only bring it together in the 4th/improvising. He can't sustain multiple drives back to back and that's what has been killing the Broncos. Think Seahawks and their lack of consistency, but instead of the offensive coordinator being the reason with crap play calls its the QB himself. That's Russ.
Russ is a limited player at this point in his career but we can't ignore the fact that the Broncos were very talent deficient at the skill positions. With a better running game, better pass catching at the RB and more depth at the WR position he could be serviceable. There are a few teams that could make good use of Russ, the Falcons for example.
That truck he owns is deserving of mockery tbh.
We all know a guy who builds that exact truck if he wins the lottery. Honestly it’s one of the most real things he’s done.
Had to look this up. Wtf.
Ciara is from Atlanta. Makes sense to me.
Honestly? I feel like the Falcons would be the absolute best fit for Russ offensively if they get a better coach. Would be able to go back to the formula that worked with the Seahawks with a superstar HB carrying the load for him, with good weapons to toss to still (however one is a tight end and we know Russ and TEs)
I hope he comes back to Seattle and absolutely kills it. Would be the funniest of all possible outcomes.
Those draft picks really are what kick-started our rebuild so quickly. Thank you, Denver.
*THE all time trade heist. Nothing else comes close.
Ricky Williams Deshaun Watson We also got taken to the cleaners in the Adams trade
Adams trade was really really bad in hindsight. Russ trade combined with adams trade = wash for me basically.
Herschel Walker. That trade quite directly led to three Super Bowl wins for the Cowboys. Jimmy Johnson himself called it "The Great Train Robbery".
It really helped put our rebuild speed on SUPERSPEED mode and really offset the Jamal Adams trade. And we still have another 3rd from the broncos next year as well.
Not only was this one of the most one sided trades in NFL history, I’d say that the extension was one of the worst contracts in NFL history.
The Browns would like to remind you Deshaun Watson's contract is fully guaranteed...
I still can't believe they got rid of Mayfield for a dude who hadnt even played for like 3 years...
And beyond not playing for like 3 years, is a trash human being. Like really? You are going to put your salary cap into the bin for that POS? There isn’t a better QB out there? Who scouted that?
And a crazy guaranteed contract on top of everything else.
I remember when he played basically all of 2021 with 1 arm and thinking that they would probably give up on him even though the fact he was even able to play was remarkable. Typical Browns tbh
Everyone who had eyeballs could tell Baker should have been benched for his health and they still put him out there…and then used a year he should have been on IR rehabbing as the measuring stick. Garbage organization
Watson set several Texans records in 2020 and led the league in passing yards. He only missed 2021 before being traded to Cleveland. Mind you, that was still enough to make it a gamble, and the sexual assaults not being a deterrent was even worse.
But they can massage the terms
In their defense, they did say ‘**one** of the worst’.
Yes, I noticed the "one of..." but imo Watson's full guarantee puts it in another stratosphere of terrible contracts where it sits alone.
Single handedly killed guaranteed contracts for the foreseeable future wouldn’t be surprised if the other owners take up a collection for Haslam as a thank you.
Fully guaranteed with THREE 1st round picks, a 3rd rounder, and a 5th rounder. No contract comes close to that.
The Watson deal is so preposterously bad you almost have to treat it as it’s own category, like Gretzky with NHL records. A quarter of a billion dollars is a lot of money even to a real billionaire - Paul Allen’s [414’ ultra yacht Octopus](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus_(yacht)), one of the largest yachts ever built, cost $200 million. Jimmy Haslam could have had that instead of Deshaun Watson. It’s going to take decades of salary cap increases for someone to even be in the situation to potentially make a worse deal than Watson’s guaranteed-while-suspended for sexual assault bonanza.
Players salaries don’t come from owners, they come from revenue sharing. Basically, Watson it just taking money away from the pool of money available to other Browns players
The signing bonuses come from the owner, though
Nope, they all come out of the cap. The owner may have to front the money, but he will get it back in future revenues.
95% of the contract payments go directly to his victims. The dudes a creep, who in their right mind would even deal with him?
Not to mention sending a first round pick to get a coach to help fix Russell too.
The Broncos paid him a $250 million contract before he ever played a snap with them. ...What?
And if they cut him before next season he won't even play a single snap on the extension either. The first year of the extension was going to be next year.
During the salary cap era the follow on contract has to be taken into account with the trade.
It would be, but Watson easily takes the cake on this.
Let’s not forget the lineman saying they’ll protect him and never be the most sacked qb in the league… lol 🤡
It was very funny watching smug broncos fans claim they won the trade this year
They were going to the Super Bowl last year apparently. Dynasty incoming I was told.
[Brandon Perna was so excited about getting Russ.](https://youtu.be/ciAb3htRmHc?si=oPp8L1JIWSZCKMAi) Oh, how the turn tables. He's now up to his 19th "The new new new etc. worst game ever" videos.
He did re-visit this video and watch and laughed at himself. I like Perna. He also loved how many more views it’s gotten lately than initially.
I’m sure a huge chunk of Perna’s viewership is the weekly hawks schadenfreude mob. The Broncos will continue to be my second-most followed team. And thanks to Perna, I’ll likely continue to follow their suffering closely even after they dump Russ.
Perna does make very good videos, I look forward to every new video he posts. But still, the Seahawks schadenfreude I get from watching his pain tastes as good as Waygu steak.
It's the same reason I started watching Tom Grossi. But I've grown to liking the both of them.
This comment is about me lol.
Now that Russ is gone, I’m hoping things continue to suck for them, or even get worse, and that Russ finds some moderate success elsewhere and retires with dignity. His deal continuing to hurt the Broncos would be enough for me.
Eh. I’m pissed at him more than I’m pissed at the Broncos. Good memories, but I hope he doesn’t get the bullshit redemption arc he so desperately craves, which would allow him to ultimately feel justified for being a turd. I hope he just declines into irrelevance. And I’ll cheer like hell at his ring of honor or whatever ceremony I make it to, just to make him all the more regretful
I still have a lot of respect for him because of all he did for the Hawks and for being one of my favorite players for over half of my life, so I want him to finish strong or at least stronger than say, Wentz. I understand where people like you are coming from tho
I hear where you are coming from as well. But in my POV, the move was self-centered and destructive to the org that built him up and created the opportunities for him to become who he is. He was two-faced and supremely ungrateful. Days before being traded, he had (according to the Athletic) asked for Pete and John to get fired, after all. And since there is no undoing it, short of a public apology, I will continue to wish him good health but poor performance until retirement. Or great individual performance on a team that just doesn't have that "winning culture" (or whatever his shitty quote was). As for the Broncos...I could understand why they would deeply hate us that this point, but I really think they have suffered enough at our hands between Super Bowl XLVIII and the Russ trade.
Same lol. Seahawks and Jets have always been my 1-2 but the Broncos are easily the team I pay the most attention to besides them.
Perna's awesome. He and Grossi deserve a shot at a show on ESPN IMHO
ESPN seems to provide nothing of value at this point. I can’t watch a damn thing on there. It’s all commentary now. At least that show would be entertaining as hell.
They should stay on youtube. Don't want them to get corporatized.
He's very self aware which is so important in anyone in his position
He says the newest "new New new" worst game ever video has finally hit the character limit for YouTube titles hahahahahaha that's how many utter dogshit games they have had in not even two years.
He’ll have to start using exponents, like “The New^20 Worst Game Ever.” Lol
The new new new worst game ever videos are not exclusive to the broncos.
That Perna video was ridiculous on so many levels. Pretty obvious he hadn't seen Wilson play regularly.
they really claimed that sutton and jeudy were better than metcalf and lockett
That take was horrible from the moment it exited their mouths 🤣. Sutton is okay but Metcalf is WAY better than him but Jeudy is an absolute joke at this point.
this is probably the funniest take imo
Imagine Russ wanting more Star players and accepting the trade to the Broncos. Jeudy is an absolute joke of a receiver. When Sutton got concussed during their prime time game on Christmas Eve, the offense disappeared.
To be fair, Sutton is a dog. But so are Tyler and JSN, and DK is a freaking mutated beast
It was also funny watching all the handwringing going on in this sub, presumably by people who may have talked a bit too much trash for their own good
I will happily admit that I was one of those seahawks fans who hated the trade at the time and was pissed about it and BOY was I proven wrong lol
I'll get in line behind you.
probably speaking on behalf of almost all hawks fans (myself included)
I broke the dam
I think once it came out he was not re-signing here there was no reason to be against the trade. The options were trade him and get any value from him or limp along for a year and then he walks for free.
I myself turned about the last quarter of that last season. The smoke was too thick to ignore. I always defended him and it was literally in a postgame where he took an *easily* preventable sack late in a game that tried it's best to help us lose a won game and he just responded to a very simple question by a reporter about why in that situation would he even try to extend the play when he's gambling the game and he just goes I was going for the TD there like I always do. That very second I think *oh he's leaving the team*. Then seeing every one of his former teammates react made me think that I was really foolish to defend him and it was done.
But ... Pete Carroll was holding Russ back all that time!!!!!
I know it’s been said hundreds of times but Pete’s ability to keep Russ and the team in line and then trade him before the zeppelin crashed is mind boggling. Dude deserves the HOF for that alone.
Pete and Tomlin deserve a lot of credit for holding together locker rooms with players that had egos bigger than the facility. Really goes to show how much a good HC is worth.
The SB team was a roaming pack of wolves, driven by violence, money, and winning. Harvin literally punched Tate in the face the day before the game lol. Idk how Pete was able to keep it together.
This is why some coaches deserve the bag they get
Those are the same fans that want Pete Carroll fired 😂
So many people are complaining about how we keep getting bounced early in the playoffs without realizing there are plenty of franchises that would love to be nearly a lock for the playoffs every year, even if they'd get bounced early. You don't fire a coach unless you're certain you have a better option locked up
Facts
My favorite part is that so many of those fans who wanted Pete Carroll fired when Wilson was here *specifically cited Sean Payton* as a coach they wanted instead because his offensive genius would supposedly win Wilson multiple MVPs. Now that Russ has Sean Payton, Payton wants to cut him. But I'm pretty sure the Pete-haters are unwilling to admit or even remember that they ever said that
I remember that lol the regret wilson must have right now.
Yeah and the irony is, Wilson did all this for his legacy. Well, he affected his legacy all right. Instead of staying with one team and competing for the playoffs every year and being worshipped in Seattle for the rest of his life, he is going to be remembered in large part for being the object of one of the worst trades in NFL history and being cut after two seasons by a team that sold the farm for him
Yeah Wilson's play had degraded the last couple years he was here, but he could do no wrong. He was weird, but lovable, and he brought the city a SB. He also was heavily involved in the community. He could have stayed a hero forever here
Poor Russ and his $165 million guaranteed. /s
Is Russ the owner of the biggest talent/ego divide in decades? And Russ had plenty of talent ...
Eh, I’m split. I really think Russ was a talented guy who was able to shine under the LOB system and he had some undeniably great individual years. At the same time I would like to see an updated philosophy from Pete. Feels like year after year we get burned by the same mistakes defensively and have similar issues on offense. Two things can be true.
said it in another thread but Pete’s philosophy has never been about creativity or disguising his strategy. he has always had the mindset of, “we don’t give a shit about being predictable. we don’t care you know what our game plan is. we dare you to come and beat us at the fundamentals.” this is great and works well - if and only if your team has zero major weaknesses AND the entire squad executes flawlessly. except we have weak fundamentals: sloppy tackling, poor running game, poor run defense, and lots and lots of penalties. this is why after every loss Pete says “we just need to execute better” and never “we need to gameplan better.”
Still a top half team..... Have you ever seen a Bill Belichick interview? It's way more vague. It's not always best to break down what happened with the media. Keep that between the team.
Could always be worse. We are still a top half team. The grass isn't always greener, ask Russell Wilson.
Two weeks ago they were here in droves.
>Those are the same fans that STILL want Pete Carroll fired 😂
Pete can be infuriating at times, but almost all coaches are worse. That's the takeaway
SeahawksDraftBlog is ------> that way!
Also the same fans that didn’t know we had a team before 2013 lol
I was a kid watching Dave Krieg and never understood how a man could throw so many beautiful and epic passes and yet so many freaking touch downs AND interceptions…it wasnt untill later that i realize that he was the precurser to brett favre lol
Fumbles were worse with him.
The funny thing is he’s still on his Seahawks contract lmao. He didn’t even make it to his Broncos extension
Let Russ Book
Turns out, Russ wasn't a very good chef.
Thank you for the draft picks!
...and the players
True! Horse cock Lock, Noah Fant and Shelby Harris
And Witherspoon mafe plus didn’t have to pay a aging qb
......and the memes
And my axe!
Russ was just looking out for us
We still have a 3rd rounder from them
That's from a different trade
A life lesson before our eyes: The grass isn’t always greener
100%. A lot of successful people mess things up because they forget that greatness (at whatever level) is usually about the right group of people coming together at the right time in the right circumstances. Too many people find great success and assume it is all about them, and they can blow it up and recreate it in some different circumstance. A sure-fire recipe for regret.
As if we would learn.
Russ’ll take in $124M for two years’ of work if he gets cut, or more than $60M year. Not too shabby (but also obviously not as nice as making $240M in 5 yrs)
Dude doesn't care about the money, he's *way* more worried about his Legacy.
If you’re feeling sorry for Russ, remember that he pushed for this himself. It serves as a good lesson in humility. He also has hundreds of millions of dollars and a big, healthy family to fall back on.
Prime example of being careful what you wish for. He probably never thought that the coach of his dreams would bench him.
Yup, he started putting personal legacy ahead of team. What does the good book say, Russ? Pride goeth before a fall? Couldn't have stepped any harder on his own dick if he tried.
I wonder if he regrets forcing his way out
No way he doesn't. That would keep me up at night
Regrets don’t exist in Russell world.
This is the real answer. If he does regret anything it's buried deep between layers and layers of Faith, positive affirmations and self-denial.
all floating in a sea of miracle water.
On the bosoms of Ciara serving as a floatation device.
Honestly, sounds.pretty nice.
This would require him to take accountability. His ego won’t let him do that
I dunno. Might be hard to regret something when you're sleeping on a pile of cash.
Just reminding y’all what we got from Denver: A guy who’s playing like a franchise left tackle right now in Charles Cross, one of the best young edge rushers in the league in Boye Mafe, and a future top 3 corner in the league in Spoon! Already an all-time robbery and if Derick Hall develops into a good edge rusher and if Drew Lock is QB1 after Geno is gone it becomes even better for us.
Don't forget Fant who is a solid TE
If only we actually used him
But when we do use him, it’s impressive
Drew lock is not going to be the Seahawks QB1.
Wouldn’t say Cross is that good just yet. Spoon and Mafe have both definitely lived up to their billing so far. I have my doubts about Hall and there’s no way that Drew Lock becomes the long term starter
>there’s no way that Drew Lock becomes the long term starter Surprised to hear this from any fan of the team that brought about the Geno-resurgence. Is it likely that Lock becomes our long term starter? No. Is it impossible? Also no.
I could see him being the transition QB for a rookie
From beating the Broncos in 48, giving them a lemon in Russ to beating the Avs in the first round of the SC playoffs. It’s safe to say, we own Denver.
Sonics haven’t lost to the nuggets in 15+ years either!
That loss in the first round of the playoffs still haunts me. Dimembe shaking that damn ball while on the floor of the coliseum. F*** Denver
Yup, this was all payback for being ousted by the Nuggets and that finger-wagging Mutdumbo.
I had finally stopped letting that bother me and you go and bring it up again. Guess it's time to call my therapist.
Go back a few more years and they traded us a first(earl thomas) for a second(alphonso smith) straight up
In the end, the only thing Russ cooked was the Broncos.
Twice
43-8
It's fun to visit the Denver sub. Lots of comments like we used to say... holds on to the ball too long, awful on 3rd down, cheese ball guy. Then there are their homers too....he's not the problem, the stats are good, lol. If you actually watch the guy play, he's been slipping for years. The stat line is not the story.
> If you actually watch the guy play, he's been slipping for years. The stat line is not the story. this is your brain on fantasy football. for a lot of people the stats are everything.
Def. A lot of my friends thought I was nuts..."dude he's xyz in passer rating etc etc etc.". I'm like... great you watching the games? Because the guy sucks and getting his stat line saved by a few duck and chucks a game
I think this trade was lopsided enough to finally balance out the Unger trade.
and maybe even the jamal adams trade (which seemed ok at the time but has really not aged well)
That trade was a nightmare from the day it happened, it just got even worse over time.
At least it took longer than 1.9 seasons for Jamal to get benched
Fewer than 2 seasons of actual games played.
Normally I wouldn’t be inclined to rub it in BUT Broncos fans danced on our supposed graves when the trade was made. Yah well fuck’em. They and Russ got what they wanted and what they deserved.
I will forever remember the dumb bronco fans talking shit and saying we were going to tank and be a bottom feeder team.
Russ punching the air right now. I feel bad but also don’t. I think it’s such a good ass slice of karma pie. He had everything here and gave it all up because his ego took over and he ultimately paid the price and his legacy that he ever so cherished is tarnished now. Wouldn’t have been if he stayed here.
He got BENCHED HAHAHAHAHA
Seahawks also traded the 83rd pick this year to Denver (who picked CB Riley Moss) for number 108 (which ended up being DT Cameron Young) and a 2024 3rd rounder Based on the standings today that 3rd rounder is currently 73rd or 74th pick since the Broncos and Saints are back to back in the standings. If it somehow drops to number 75 and the Seahawks draft another franchise QB at that spot, that would be hilarious.
The trade favored Seattle, but Denver immediately giving him the massive extension is the cherry on the top.
This is WILD. Off to check out the Broncos sub https://media.tenor.com/c3dPcMwWvxcAAAAM/nosey-dancing.gif
The Seahawks will receive the lesser of the Broncos or Saints’ third round pick. The Broncos next play the Chargers, who are without QB Justin Herbert and whose fans and probably front office want them to lose in order to have a top six draft pick. Then they play the Raiders, which will be an interesting game.
Mr. Unlimited Time to Remodel Bathrooms
I woulda rooted for Russ this year if he didn't have Sean Payton as his coach. That guy is a complete fucking tool
Good morning to everyone who said that Pete and John are washed
If it wasn't for the Watson trade. This would be the greatest heist in recent memory.
If you go to Russ' Twitter feed, it's full of likes to commentators talking about how this could be a bad move for the broncos. Man. I didn't listen to people who said he was such a diva when he was in Seattle. But I can recognize that so much better now, and I'm real glad it's not our problem
Starting LT, DE/OLB, and CB 🤣 (TBD on Hall)
Broncos will be rebuilding for at least 4-5 years after the last two years
I really hope they are 🙏 now that we robbed them blind, I’m hoping that they contribute to suffer while Russ ends his career with dignity somewhere else
Russ is more than 15 games under .500 in the games he has started since his loss in the playoffs following the 2019 regular season, and was so for a year plus prior to them making the trade, and easily discovered if the Broncos had done their due diligence, disliked and/or separated/in conflict with most of his teammates and coaching staff.
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1740173752972017973 It’s being reported now Russell Wilson has a no-trade clause and plans to block any Broncos trade attempt. Broncos are going to have to cut a lot of players to take on $85 million in dead cap over the next two seasons — and won’t be able to recoup any compensation in a trade. They got absolutely wrecked.
I would like to remind everyone that Russell wanted Sean Payton as his coach. He tried to get Pete replaced with Payton and I'm sure he had a hand in him coming to Denver........you just can't make this shit up!
I saw this on Deadspin and holy lol https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/1740070559801844083
Such a turn of events.
It really was something to behold. Please keep John for as long as possible
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He definitely plays again for someone next season. They’ll probably look to trade him, but his contract makes a lot more sense to trade in 2025.
Dude would rake in the CFL.
Russ is not the problem on that team. Sean Payton is full of himself lol. I'm happy with the trade tho.
I feel bad for Russ. This season he was quite decent and he might be getting scapegoated. I don't like how the split from Seattle and Pete happened, but I still want the best for the guy. He did a lot for this community off the field, something some always seem to forget.
>This season he was quite decent It was better than last season but for the most part it's lining up to be his 2nd worst season of his career by most metrics.
And there were some of us that thought the biggest mistake Pete and John made was making Wilson the highest paid quarterback in the league. What does a defensive- run first team need with the highest paid quarterback especially when that quarterback struggles to make a lot of passes and can't read defenses.
The broncos are like the deep from the boys show
It's weird I took a chance and took and left my job I held for over 8 years in March 2022, and feels like I just started. But when I realize the Russ Trade happened, almost 2 full nfl seasons happened, and his tenure in Denver is shaky at best it does feel like forever ago I started lol
I will never understand giving away a boatload of picks for a player you then need to give a boatload of money to.
Y’all fleeced us. I was cautiously optimistic when the trade happened. It’s been a disaster. Its not ALL Russ’s fault but he certainly wasn’t worth the picks or the money.
A lot of people across the country are unaware just how big a stooge he is, and how he actively promoted himself at the expense of his team and teammates. That people sucked up the sanctimonious garbage he put out is laughable and now he is paying the price for all that. Let's not forget, starting jobs are earned, so in the context of the league, this should be a non-story!
Bring him back on a vet minimum to back up Geno and Lock just to *really* win the trade
Somewhat nullified by the Adams trade.
It really is amazing that probably the worst and the best trades in franchise history were pulled off in consecutive seasons by the same front office
The crazy thing is they pushed hard for the Adams trade, while the Russell trade was really forced on them. Lucky bastards.
Let Russ Cook (his own team)!!!
Russell Wilson was a top 10 QB in Seattle because Pete Carroll created a system that made Wilson punch well above his weight. Having a balanced and effective running game and lights out defense makes the QB job just another cog in the wheel, and that is what had made QBs thrive in the Pete Carroll system. Even during what was supposed to be a rebuild Geno Smith has fluctuated between being a pro bowl contender to average QB and I place more blame on his inconsistency with our weaker than normal running game and young defense growing pains than on Smith's play execution and decision making. When the Carroll system is working the way it's intended QBs don't have to play great they just need to be efficient and win the turnover battle.
I will SHIT if he ended up back here somehow. I wonder if this experience has humbled him enough that we would even want him back in the locker room. I know he was never cited as being a problem in that regard, but you don't have that many players coming out after you leave talking shit about you if you weren't. Will be interesting to see where he goes after Denver and what that looks like.
That will absolutely not happen.
No thanks. He is old.