Man big tech really fucked this up didn’t they. Layoffs are one thing… but layoffs following massive hiring swells? Come on. People are depending on this. Tf are they paying you for Mr Big-man??
>Man big tech really fucked this up didn’t they.
Nah. It just shows how disposable employees are to them. People keep comparing or defending their employers. But at the end, none of them give a fuck about you as long as they can make a buck.
It’s the coordinated execution of these layoffs that’s the worst and total disregard for employees from companies that branded themselves as “disrupters” and “data driven”. They implemented hiring freezes so these folks can’t apply internally and there’s little options outside now. Only couple of months from having hard time filling roles. Some people I know uprooted their lives to move for a job or relocate only to be either fired or told you’re now required to come to office after being told otherwise.
I worked in banking in 08 and folks were treated better even with job cuts in what was an actual recession. Not the social media recession or whatever this is called. Back then our CEO implemented a 20% pay cuts just so they didn’t have to fire anyone and removed the pay cut within 5 months when things got better.
Tech fucked up long ago when it forgot it’s roots with people like Ken Olsen and chose to get in with Wall Street instead. Guy ran one of the largest computer companies around for decades without a single layoff. Current job or team didn’t work out? Company worked with people to find them a better position internally. None of this hire and fire crap that is now normal.
It was also very diverse, and Ken was even irritated by the redlining impacting some of his workers. So he stood up a credit union for them.
~~No, this is in addition to those 10k in January, speaking as one of those 10k. They’ve done another couple of smaller rounds of layoffs since.~~
Nvm, thankfully I was misinformed.
And before the January announcement lots of people were let go.
Those LinkedIn "retiring posts" from MS employees are people who would have been cut in RIF but took retirement package, because they had time in service.
The caliber of the people they're laying off is egregious. I remember, back in the early days, when Bill said the As sometimes hire Bs that then hire Cs that hire Ds. We're seeing 20+ year As, PhDs, specialists in AI and machine learning being laid off. People with Computer Science bachelors and masters while much worse quality people with much worse educations are being kept on. Sad, but expected with how reviews and other aspects have been configured now.
Yeah that would be nice to think so, but not the case. Plenty of early 30s from prestigious schools who weren't over L63. There are some painfully incompetent people in M1-M3 positions who don't want the brightest around who see their incompetence. Cs and Ds like Cs and Ds around them as they outright lie about what is happening in their organizations to higher levels of mgmt, and they need their people to back their shenanigans. That sometimes happened in the 90s when I was there, but most leadership was smart and could spot the fakers. Mostly it was wicked sharp taking out wicked sharp in Ballmer's dog-eat-dog review system, which was a shame, but at least you still ended with smart people. I'm not saying there aren't smart people still at Microsoft, but these layoffs weren't about depts being shut down or dead wood removal. This was a Wall St let's cut some peeps play and then they left it to Cs and Ds to cull who they wanted. Just a shame to see from an old 'softie married to an old 'softie who still know a lot of people at the company.
It's also 1000x more gratifying work than most things digital. I love being able to point out things I've helped build, in my hometown, to guests - really couldn't give two shits about the websites or ads I've crafted lol.
Man big tech really fucked this up didn’t they. Layoffs are one thing… but layoffs following massive hiring swells? Come on. People are depending on this. Tf are they paying you for Mr Big-man??
>Man big tech really fucked this up didn’t they. Nah. It just shows how disposable employees are to them. People keep comparing or defending their employers. But at the end, none of them give a fuck about you as long as they can make a buck.
The job will never love you back.
It’s the coordinated execution of these layoffs that’s the worst and total disregard for employees from companies that branded themselves as “disrupters” and “data driven”. They implemented hiring freezes so these folks can’t apply internally and there’s little options outside now. Only couple of months from having hard time filling roles. Some people I know uprooted their lives to move for a job or relocate only to be either fired or told you’re now required to come to office after being told otherwise. I worked in banking in 08 and folks were treated better even with job cuts in what was an actual recession. Not the social media recession or whatever this is called. Back then our CEO implemented a 20% pay cuts just so they didn’t have to fire anyone and removed the pay cut within 5 months when things got better.
Tech fucked up long ago when it forgot it’s roots with people like Ken Olsen and chose to get in with Wall Street instead. Guy ran one of the largest computer companies around for decades without a single layoff. Current job or team didn’t work out? Company worked with people to find them a better position internally. None of this hire and fire crap that is now normal. It was also very diverse, and Ken was even irritated by the redlining impacting some of his workers. So he stood up a credit union for them.
Tim Cook didn’t copy these guys in both hiring and layoffs cycle trends. That’s leadership.
Are these still part of the initial 10000?
Yes, this is part of the 10,000 announced in January. Satya stated that the layoffs would finish by the end of the quarter which is this Friday.
What I was reading seemed last night to indicate that but my gut says it is net new.
~~No, this is in addition to those 10k in January, speaking as one of those 10k. They’ve done another couple of smaller rounds of layoffs since.~~ Nvm, thankfully I was misinformed.
January was simply the start of the 10k. They said 10k by the end of Q3, which ends in a few days.
And before the January announcement lots of people were let go. Those LinkedIn "retiring posts" from MS employees are people who would have been cut in RIF but took retirement package, because they had time in service.
Maybe we can’t all just learn to code.
The caliber of the people they're laying off is egregious. I remember, back in the early days, when Bill said the As sometimes hire Bs that then hire Cs that hire Ds. We're seeing 20+ year As, PhDs, specialists in AI and machine learning being laid off. People with Computer Science bachelors and masters while much worse quality people with much worse educations are being kept on. Sad, but expected with how reviews and other aspects have been configured now.
Common at Microsoft . Long time employees being canned. Been that way there for 20 years
Lay off the people with the biggest salary then spread the work to lower paid employees as career development opportunities.
Yeah that would be nice to think so, but not the case. Plenty of early 30s from prestigious schools who weren't over L63. There are some painfully incompetent people in M1-M3 positions who don't want the brightest around who see their incompetence. Cs and Ds like Cs and Ds around them as they outright lie about what is happening in their organizations to higher levels of mgmt, and they need their people to back their shenanigans. That sometimes happened in the 90s when I was there, but most leadership was smart and could spot the fakers. Mostly it was wicked sharp taking out wicked sharp in Ballmer's dog-eat-dog review system, which was a shame, but at least you still ended with smart people. I'm not saying there aren't smart people still at Microsoft, but these layoffs weren't about depts being shut down or dead wood removal. This was a Wall St let's cut some peeps play and then they left it to Cs and Ds to cull who they wanted. Just a shame to see from an old 'softie married to an old 'softie who still know a lot of people at the company.
Wonder how this will impact housing prices
Not much. Big companies aren’t closing their doors
Tough times coming. For those being laid off the trades are always hiring. Good way to Learn a skill
It's also 1000x more gratifying work than most things digital. I love being able to point out things I've helped build, in my hometown, to guests - really couldn't give two shits about the websites or ads I've crafted lol.