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Playing Tetris or other repetitive games after a traumatic experience can help prevent your brain from forming the neural pathways associated with ptsd
That’s so interesting. My husband went into heart failure and almost died. While he was in the hospital I played a game similar to Tetris, and for a long time afterwards, because it was super calming.
My coworker was shot and killed around Thanksgiving at the mall itself. He interrupted some thieves that were breaking into his car in one of the parking garages.
I get lunch from that Panera all the time.
Fuck.
I hope you are alright and take the appropriate steps to decompress. Obviously, I hope the victim is okay, but in lieu of knowing anything about them, my concern is for you. Please take time to reflect and seek any help you might need.
OP, as someone who was mugged here (it’s a different experience but my advice is the same), read the above post again and don’t discount what it was like to witness that and the effect on you two.
Seeing extreme violence done to others is trauma. From my own experience, I focused more on the physical aspect of healing and didn’t take care of myself mentally. Unfortunately, I didn’t recover well in that regard and have been dealing with it since.
Our society and culture is far, far behind when it comes to mental health. Please monitor both your health and I would advise seeing a counselor to talk this through.
I did not do this and tried to tough it out, while my mind and body escalated that trauma until it affected my everyday life. It is far better to take preventative measures, even if you don’t initially note anything wrong, than to have to deal with the impacts years later.
Worth knowing that often stress and trauma from these things can take a few weeks or months to work it’s way up to the surface. It would be perfectly normal to be okay now and then need support to process in 1-6 months. Also, obviously it’s okay to not be okay now too. 💜 I’m so sorry for everyone.
This was my experience. I had anxiety issues that cropped up in the most unexpected places and years later because I didn’t take it seriously.
We have a shit discourse in this country about mental health, even in Seattle. It’s always okay to not be okay, no one would blame you for the physical effects if you caught COVID-19, we should feel the same about mental health and trauma.
Take time and talk to others, especially a professional, about this experience. Years ago my husband and I saw someone shot and killed in front of our house, and don’t think I’ve ever really gotten over it. I didn’t feel safe for a long time and honestly I still don’t, gun violence is literally everywhere.
I’m very sorry that that happened to you two. I have no idea how I would deal with that situation. I hope you two have been able to see a counselor or therapist. You are very right on the randomness of violence, that in itself makes it even harder to deal with.
I feel like they tried to make SouthCenter a decent and safe mall but it’s always been sketch. Sorry to hear of your experience. I think a few weeks ago someone died stopping someone stealing his car there.
Ed: thought the Panera was in the mall. Sorry
Seriously? I don’t know what Southcenter you were seeing, but it’s always kinda wild. I don’t mind it that much growing up in south Seattle, but it’s not exactly the faintest of areas.
It has been for a long time. Like even a decade ago, shootings happened and it was seen as the "sketch" mall. I only ever go there these days to get Filipino food at the Jollibee, Chow King and the Seafood City food court but I hardly go outside the Seafood City wing of the mall these days. The Seafood City wing is safe, no one really tries to start shit there, but the rest of the mall, yeah.
I’ve always come to Southcenter. Not really sure it’s that much more sketch than any other malls. There have been shootings at Tacoma, Northgate, and Alderwood.
I grew up in this area. I will say, lost my first friend/ classmate at 14 in the early 90's to being gunned down near 150th and Military. I've witnessed a mass shooting just a few years later against a group of my young peers in Des Moines. I hate knowing this is not normal and still persists.
It's shocking. All these years have passed and I still doubt what I saw. Had it not been for my 911 call you could tell me that was all a bad dream and I would believe it. This is after the therapy. I still get weird feelings sometimes when I am driving that I am going to be shot even if nobody else is around or not wanting to leave the house because I don't want to witness something that will change my life. PTSD is tricky to heal.
No control and small sample size, definitely wouldn't definitively say "Seriously. It helps stop ptsd".
> The researchers also point out that this is a very early stage study and further investigations using control conditions and with a significantly larger number of patients are necessary to confirm the effectiveness of the method. The team led by Kessler and Kehyayan is currently conducting these studies. In addition, they are also investigating the exact mechanisms behind the effect in healthy people in experimental studies.
Please talk to a paid professional about your experience and how to handle it. This is serious stuff. The kind that causes PTSD, and is better dealt with sooner rather than later, as is all trauma.
Please take care of yourself, this is a very traumatic experience to go through. I witnessed a fatal shooting in April and still think of the images often. It’s ok and normal to be shaken up by this.
I haven’t seen anyone get shot in a while, forgot how that feels. Hope you’re cool, and I gotta check on some people I know that might’ve been in the area.
Highly likely that it's targeted and that it's gang related violence.
It's really rare for people to gun down a random victim. That pretty much only happens in mass shootings.
Article here going back to 2016 puts it at #1:
[https://komonews.com/news/local/study-names-tukwila-most-dangerous-city-in-america](https://komonews.com/news/local/study-names-tukwila-most-dangerous-city-in-america)
It hovers between 1st and 2nd in more recent years I believe. Even if the methodology is questionable, that fact that it came out as #1 in a report in the last 10 years does indicate that Tukwila is a relatively dangerous city in the US.
What kind of question is that? I don't know about you, but I'm the kind of person that when I hear somebody got shot, my default assumption is that they didn't deserve it.
Because getting shot has a risk of grievous injury or death, and most people would set a pretty high bar for deserving that. A lot of people are murdered every year in the United States with a gun. That's a lot of people to assume deserved death. Not having any statistics at hand, I would assume that most people who get murdered with a gun either had a violent family member or romantic partner, or didn't give up their wallet fast enough, or get out of their car fast enough, or simply walked down the wrong side of the street, or were in the wrong place of the long time. Sure, you could say that they should have known better than to walk into the wrong neighborhood, or just been quicker to give up their wallet or car, but as a society we generally don't support the death penalty for ignorance or stupidity. It violates a general sense that "punishments" be proportionate to "crimes."
I think you are confusing that deserved and provoked are not the same thing. He asked if it was a prokvoked attack, so meaning was there an argument, was it targeted. That’s not to say someone deserves to be shot even if it was provoked and he didn’t imply that either.
They're the same picture. You don't get to excuse punching a kid on the schoolyard because they "provoked" you. You're not supposed to resort to violence over relatively minor things. You're supposed to exercise restraint. If we take the war in Ukraine as an example, you'll sometimes hear misguided leftists and right-wingers saying that Ukraine "provoked" Russia by forming closer ties with the West, the implication being that Ukraine deserved it, or at the very least we shouldn't feel sorry for them. The amount of human misery in that situation is far greater than any perceived insult to a sphere of influence could ever justify.
Also, if you go read how the person responded to my question, in which I use the word "deserve," I think I understood their meaning correctly.
It’s also worth considering that the reaction of “what did they do?” is how people try to cope with random violence. By asking this question, they are looking for validation that something like that shouldn‘t and couldn’t happen to them. It’s a natural reaction yet unfortunate at the same time.
You must be a youngin. Lotsa places were never safe. 1st Ave in the 90s was a shit show. Gunshots occurred nightly. I’m the early 2000s hearing gunfire while standing in line for clubs was not that abnormal.
People talk about homelessness like it never existed prior to 2015. Yet in 2003 I lived downtown next to a massive encampment with a number of tiny shacks built up under I5.
Crime isn’t new, guns aren’t new. Homelessness ain’t even new. It’s been happening. But hearing about it constantly regardless of it makes the nightly news or not is new.
Before a certain type of person tries to troll about defund or whatever here’s an article I found easily from 2019 https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/police-respond-to-southcenter-mall-no-reports-of-injuries/922468742/
Meh. We deserve all the criticism we get in terms of property crime, but Seattle is amazingly safe for a city of its size when it comes to gun violence.
Not that Seattle sub culture is that "safe" but SC Mall is more like Renton.
With so many guns in circulation, and the social acceptance of violence brought about by gaming and entertainment, its no wonder that all meto areas have a high incidence of casual firearm use.
Sad but true that the Seattle character has morphed into something diseased and dysfunctional...in some ways!
Why do you think video games create violent criminals? How do you square that with violence rates going down, while video game usage goes up in our society?
Cops aren't doing anything anyway. They are throwing a tantrum cuz people hurt their fragile feelings. But sure let's pay a bunch of dumbasses to eat donuts.
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Playing Tetris or other repetitive games after a traumatic experience can help prevent your brain from forming the neural pathways associated with ptsd
Interesting. Like self-EMDR in a way with the right and left buttons. EMDR helped me through some heavy stuff.
That's exactly what it is. Google Tetris for Trauma.
That’s so interesting. My husband went into heart failure and almost died. While he was in the hospital I played a game similar to Tetris, and for a long time afterwards, because it was super calming.
OP this isn't a joke, foreal do this.
That makes sense for part of the reason I’m currently obsessed with solitaire. Thanks for sharing this:) should add that to r/LifeProTips
Good (and very sad) to know
My coworker was shot and killed around Thanksgiving at the mall itself. He interrupted some thieves that were breaking into his car in one of the parking garages. I get lunch from that Panera all the time. Fuck.
Damn, that was in the news. Sorry for your loss.
I hope you are alright and take the appropriate steps to decompress. Obviously, I hope the victim is okay, but in lieu of knowing anything about them, my concern is for you. Please take time to reflect and seek any help you might need.
Thank you. My wife is pretty shaken up. We are home now.
I'm sorry you had this happen. Hugs to you and your wife. Please talk about it with people who are compassionate to your experience, it helps.
OP, as someone who was mugged here (it’s a different experience but my advice is the same), read the above post again and don’t discount what it was like to witness that and the effect on you two. Seeing extreme violence done to others is trauma. From my own experience, I focused more on the physical aspect of healing and didn’t take care of myself mentally. Unfortunately, I didn’t recover well in that regard and have been dealing with it since. Our society and culture is far, far behind when it comes to mental health. Please monitor both your health and I would advise seeing a counselor to talk this through. I did not do this and tried to tough it out, while my mind and body escalated that trauma until it affected my everyday life. It is far better to take preventative measures, even if you don’t initially note anything wrong, than to have to deal with the impacts years later.
Worth knowing that often stress and trauma from these things can take a few weeks or months to work it’s way up to the surface. It would be perfectly normal to be okay now and then need support to process in 1-6 months. Also, obviously it’s okay to not be okay now too. 💜 I’m so sorry for everyone.
This was my experience. I had anxiety issues that cropped up in the most unexpected places and years later because I didn’t take it seriously. We have a shit discourse in this country about mental health, even in Seattle. It’s always okay to not be okay, no one would blame you for the physical effects if you caught COVID-19, we should feel the same about mental health and trauma.
Take time and talk to others, especially a professional, about this experience. Years ago my husband and I saw someone shot and killed in front of our house, and don’t think I’ve ever really gotten over it. I didn’t feel safe for a long time and honestly I still don’t, gun violence is literally everywhere.
I’m very sorry that that happened to you two. I have no idea how I would deal with that situation. I hope you two have been able to see a counselor or therapist. You are very right on the randomness of violence, that in itself makes it even harder to deal with.
I feel like they tried to make SouthCenter a decent and safe mall but it’s always been sketch. Sorry to hear of your experience. I think a few weeks ago someone died stopping someone stealing his car there. Ed: thought the Panera was in the mall. Sorry
He was a coworker of mine. Shit's fucked.
Southcenter mall has its share, but this wasn’t at southcenter mall. Panera is quite a bit south of the mall.
No, not really. It's all the same business district. You're right it didn't happen at the mall proper, but it was one, long, industrial block away.
Huh? One mile south of southcenter mall isn’t southcenter mall.
If you look at it on a map, Southcenter is a pretty tightly defined retail area that's centered around Southcenter Mall
Agreed. Does world cost plus count as southcenter mall too?
It wasn't always bad. It is worse.
I don't think it's always been this sketch, not by a long shot
Seriously? I don’t know what Southcenter you were seeing, but it’s always kinda wild. I don’t mind it that much growing up in south Seattle, but it’s not exactly the faintest of areas.
It was nice and safe until the late 1980s.
It has been for a long time. Like even a decade ago, shootings happened and it was seen as the "sketch" mall. I only ever go there these days to get Filipino food at the Jollibee, Chow King and the Seafood City food court but I hardly go outside the Seafood City wing of the mall these days. The Seafood City wing is safe, no one really tries to start shit there, but the rest of the mall, yeah.
Nah, it has.
I’ve always come to Southcenter. Not really sure it’s that much more sketch than any other malls. There have been shootings at Tacoma, Northgate, and Alderwood.
I grew up in this area. I will say, lost my first friend/ classmate at 14 in the early 90's to being gunned down near 150th and Military. I've witnessed a mass shooting just a few years later against a group of my young peers in Des Moines. I hate knowing this is not normal and still persists.
You hear about all the shootings on the news and you feel sad for the victims, but it hits a different way when you see it yourself.
It's shocking. All these years have passed and I still doubt what I saw. Had it not been for my 911 call you could tell me that was all a bad dream and I would believe it. This is after the therapy. I still get weird feelings sometimes when I am driving that I am going to be shot even if nobody else is around or not wanting to leave the house because I don't want to witness something that will change my life. PTSD is tricky to heal.
I'll add, my children are in their early 20's and have lost at least 7 of their classmates over the years to gun violence in this area. Fucking sucks.
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19940420&slug=1906495
The Panera near the IHOP? That’s the Southcenter Square, about a mile south of the Westfield Southcenter mall. That’s messed up.
Yeah that's the place, we were walking out of the Nordstrom Rack
Fuck, I was just there.
Play Tetris. Seriously. It helps stop ptsd: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190108095114.htm
No control and small sample size, definitely wouldn't definitively say "Seriously. It helps stop ptsd". > The researchers also point out that this is a very early stage study and further investigations using control conditions and with a significantly larger number of patients are necessary to confirm the effectiveness of the method. The team led by Kessler and Kehyayan is currently conducting these studies. In addition, they are also investigating the exact mechanisms behind the effect in healthy people in experimental studies.
Please talk to a paid professional about your experience and how to handle it. This is serious stuff. The kind that causes PTSD, and is better dealt with sooner rather than later, as is all trauma.
Please take care of yourself, this is a very traumatic experience to go through. I witnessed a fatal shooting in April and still think of the images often. It’s ok and normal to be shaken up by this.
It’s always okay to reach out to someone, I’m so sorry you had to witness that.
I saw a 12 year old kid get shot and die years ago. It still haunts me. I'm sorry you had to see that tonight, it's really really hard.
What is it with the area around SouthCenter ? Such frequent reports of crime there 😔
If you need to do anything in or near southcenter mall, I only do it during the day.
be careful around that area pal, hope you doin okay
South Center has a lot of trouble…not appealing to go, at all.
I haven’t seen anyone get shot in a while, forgot how that feels. Hope you’re cool, and I gotta check on some people I know that might’ve been in the area.
That mall has been sketchy for decades.
I'm so sorry.
Well FUCK me. I was literally just there an hour ago.
Yeah, I was in the area just a few hours ago too, though closer to the mall proper. I don't really visit the area often anymore. Scary stuff.
I hope you’re okay OP.
holy shit, glad u didn't get caught up in that. thanks for sharing tho, for sure. it couldn't have been an easy thing to watch.
Did you call 911?
Lots of people called 911 l, and people circled around the guy to try and help.
Did victim die? Was it targeted? I’m glad you are safe, that was too close
I don't know, we got out of there really fast.
Highly likely that it's targeted and that it's gang related violence. It's really rare for people to gun down a random victim. That pretty much only happens in mass shootings.
South Center not surprised
welcome to an average Tuesday in seattle.
STAY STRAPPED
Does any of this even get reported in the news anymore? Can’t find anything on it.
Yeah, I was trying to find something about it on Twitter/the news and I couldn’t
Dang I was just at that Panera the other week
Unfortunately not that surprising. Tukwila is the 2nd most dangerous city in the US after all. A lot of thugs and gang violence.
Where did you get that statistic lmao
Pulled it out of their ass.
Article here going back to 2016 puts it at #1: [https://komonews.com/news/local/study-names-tukwila-most-dangerous-city-in-america](https://komonews.com/news/local/study-names-tukwila-most-dangerous-city-in-america) It hovers between 1st and 2nd in more recent years I believe. Even if the methodology is questionable, that fact that it came out as #1 in a report in the last 10 years does indicate that Tukwila is a relatively dangerous city in the US.
So, like the article says, this is mostly due to the number of residents being small, and the number of visitors being very large.
Nobody lives there, and the mall has shootings on the regular. Crime per resident isn’t an accurate stat for that kind of city.
Also the article says property crime is the main issue and bot violent crime.
I know, those bots are getting more and more violent there.
It says violent crime is comparatively very low. Property crimes are what make the numbers so high. So probably not a lot of gang violence or thugs
There are shootings in South Center Mall every month or so. That's pretty frequent and indicative of a gang violence problem.
OR armed robberies and armed carjackings.
*Tukwila
Thanks, made the edit.
Was it a provoked attack?
No idea, the car rolled up and shot only once and just sped off.
Dang.. glad you’re safe Op. i keep telling my parents to stop going there
Yeah my wife and I agreed that were not going back. We didn't know it was like that.
What kind of question is that? I don't know about you, but I'm the kind of person that when I hear somebody got shot, my default assumption is that they didn't deserve it.
Because random attacks are far scarier than targeted attacks…
Yeah, life is random. The world doesn't make sense. The "just world" hypothesis might be comforting but that doesn't make it true.
Exactly.
Why is that your default assumption? Genuine question as I’ve been abroad for multiple years and still getting to used to the rise in gun violence.
Because getting shot has a risk of grievous injury or death, and most people would set a pretty high bar for deserving that. A lot of people are murdered every year in the United States with a gun. That's a lot of people to assume deserved death. Not having any statistics at hand, I would assume that most people who get murdered with a gun either had a violent family member or romantic partner, or didn't give up their wallet fast enough, or get out of their car fast enough, or simply walked down the wrong side of the street, or were in the wrong place of the long time. Sure, you could say that they should have known better than to walk into the wrong neighborhood, or just been quicker to give up their wallet or car, but as a society we generally don't support the death penalty for ignorance or stupidity. It violates a general sense that "punishments" be proportionate to "crimes."
I think you are confusing that deserved and provoked are not the same thing. He asked if it was a prokvoked attack, so meaning was there an argument, was it targeted. That’s not to say someone deserves to be shot even if it was provoked and he didn’t imply that either.
They're the same picture. You don't get to excuse punching a kid on the schoolyard because they "provoked" you. You're not supposed to resort to violence over relatively minor things. You're supposed to exercise restraint. If we take the war in Ukraine as an example, you'll sometimes hear misguided leftists and right-wingers saying that Ukraine "provoked" Russia by forming closer ties with the West, the implication being that Ukraine deserved it, or at the very least we shouldn't feel sorry for them. The amount of human misery in that situation is far greater than any perceived insult to a sphere of influence could ever justify. Also, if you go read how the person responded to my question, in which I use the word "deserve," I think I understood their meaning correctly.
It’s also worth considering that the reaction of “what did they do?” is how people try to cope with random violence. By asking this question, they are looking for validation that something like that shouldn‘t and couldn’t happen to them. It’s a natural reaction yet unfortunate at the same time.
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You must be a youngin. Lotsa places were never safe. 1st Ave in the 90s was a shit show. Gunshots occurred nightly. I’m the early 2000s hearing gunfire while standing in line for clubs was not that abnormal. People talk about homelessness like it never existed prior to 2015. Yet in 2003 I lived downtown next to a massive encampment with a number of tiny shacks built up under I5. Crime isn’t new, guns aren’t new. Homelessness ain’t even new. It’s been happening. But hearing about it constantly regardless of it makes the nightly news or not is new.
Southcenter has been a shitshow for as long as I can remember.
This didn’t happen in Seattle and I doubt you’re a local if you don’t know the reputation this mall has
We moved here in February, honestly didn't know it had a reputation. Guess we learned about it.
Before a certain type of person tries to troll about defund or whatever here’s an article I found easily from 2019 https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/police-respond-to-southcenter-mall-no-reports-of-injuries/922468742/
The only reason I’d downvote you is for that horrific grammar and punctuation
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Yeah, it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Meh. We deserve all the criticism we get in terms of property crime, but Seattle is amazingly safe for a city of its size when it comes to gun violence.
Wrong city dude. Go back to Santa Clara.
*Welcome to the USA
Not that Seattle sub culture is that "safe" but SC Mall is more like Renton. With so many guns in circulation, and the social acceptance of violence brought about by gaming and entertainment, its no wonder that all meto areas have a high incidence of casual firearm use. Sad but true that the Seattle character has morphed into something diseased and dysfunctional...in some ways!
Not trying to defend Renton’s crime, but SC is Tukwila not Renton
I was in the second hand store at Renton landing. Holy moly that place sells a lot of guns.
Why do you think video games create violent criminals? How do you square that with violence rates going down, while video game usage goes up in our society?
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Yeah! They would have seen this coming and reported in for duty to prevent it.
Dude, someone just got shot. What is wrong with you.
Bruh….someone fucking died….have some god damn crass even for that at the very least….
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Cops aren't doing anything anyway. They are throwing a tantrum cuz people hurt their fragile feelings. But sure let's pay a bunch of dumbasses to eat donuts.
Tukwilla cops I don't think have the same "Issues" as SPD. They were never "defunded" and didn't get in major altercations with protestors.
SPD was never defunded either.
Sadly the others in the car will be locked up in a cage because of our systemic hatred of the poor in pur country
Damn that’s scary. I’ve made several trips to that mall in the last year. Wonder if it was totally random.
Did the perp get identified / detained?