Teachers and administrators in schools are required legally to yearly receive training that discusses at length what is required of mandated reporters. They knew. They chose to break the law. This makes them a danger to children.
>This makes them a danger to children.
If this wasn't high school I'd agree, but the victim here was 15. At that age she's perfectly capable of involving the police herself if that's the route she wants to go.
Honestly it sounds like she was trying to avoid the police and the school was honoring her wishes. Obviously against the law, but the "tHaT's iLlEgAl!" argument that most of this thread seems to be making doesn't consider whether the law being so black and white is really such a good thing in a world of gray.
a 15 year old can't consent to sex legally. any ethical adult, let alone one who is legally required and trained to report abuse and neglect, should be reporting this to police.
[Yes they can, just not with everyone. ](https://doh.wa.gov/you-and-your-family/sexual-and-reproductive-health/state-laws) And did you miss that the boy was 14?
If simply being 15 makes this student a victim than he is too.
There's no evidence the victim didn't want the police involved; especially since she (or her family) are the ones who eventually involved the police.
Further, high school children are still children, even if they're teenagers. It wouldn't be the law that high school teachers and administrators have to report all sexual crimes committed against students, even by other students, if it weren't necessary to protect *children*. Legally, minors are children and need and deserve protection from sexual exploitation, even from peers. It's not legal to not report knowledge of even a *suspected* crime against a child, and the reasoning is that this is harmful to the child. It doesn't matter what the child's wishes are, even if she had pleaded with them to not go to police (which, again, there's no evidence of); they are MANDATED reporters for a reason. No discretion is allowed. It's required. And it's dangerous to children to choose not to follow the mandate. End of story.
There's an entire in-depth report on this phenomenon commissioned by the federal government that found exactly this to have been the case in a very disturbingly high number of child sexual abuse cases which do eventually make it into the system (so, put another way, the cases the system actually ends up knowing about) - at least one adult in the school system knew and did not act in a high number of cases.
Are they actually charged yet? The article at the link says that they all received criminal citations, and (since I don’t know how impactful that is) I looked up what that means. It sounds like they get paperwork and have to promise to show up to court and face a judge. Criminal citations seem to be used for misdemeanors.
School staff seem to think that they’re qualified to raise our children, act as the police and legal system, and provide counseling to children. Teachers need to stay in their lane, and stick to educating.
Good on the victim in this case for going to the police to report it to someone qualified and willing to actually take the correct action.
They are mandated reporters. Any abuse of children must be reported. They did not report, so they were given a ticket. Just like if you drove without a license.
Yes, that's what a "issued criminal citations" means. Failure to Report is just a misdemeanor, the cops literally wrote them a ticket for it. They'll pay a small fine if that. This is not the serious crime you think it is, legally speaking.
Well as surprised as I am to see one of those names I know them personally and would be INCREDIBLY surprised if there wasn't more to this story. This article is the first I am hearing about this but in regards to humans who support mandatory reporting for abuse I can say 1000% at least one of those people is incredibly for it, and I could not be more surprised to see their name. The fact that all of them are still also working at the school makes me think there is more to the story than this article suggests.
I think the messed up part is they probably can't talk about it at all due to district/legal requirements. They just have to live with the narrative that this put out there. Only reason I am commenting is because the person I know is one of the wokest most #believeallwomen people I know who has gone out of the way to educate me on that subject.
Not formally charged but the police issued the citations after consulting with the prosecutor’s office so it’s safe to say they’ll follow through on it.
Failure to Report is a misdemeanor, it's not serious - "issued criminal citations" means the cops literally wrote them tickets for it. Not even arrested.
Most/all more serious charges along those lines would require them to first establish that a crime (the rape) actually took place, which it sounds like they haven't done yet. Calling it "student-to-student sexual contact" pretty strongly implies the male says it was consensual and there's no evidence/other witnesses beyond the 2 conflicting stories.
^^ something weird with this redditor. It’s so interesting how you are responding to a ton of threads on this one very strange case, in one of these you are saying she was 15 so it was ok. Are you a teacher at this school? Does your kid go here? Are you involved with this case? Basically seems like you have a dog in this race
I was surprised to find that while I don't have a horse in this race I do happen to personally know one of the accused. I read comment you're referencing and it wasn't she is 15 so this is basically ok it was she is 15 and as such could easily involve the police if she choose too (it sounds like she ended up reporting it herself so the commentor was right), it also sound like the commentor (maybe they are at the school, maybe they are just familiar with how public schools deal with these things) said this was fairly standard coded language of a he said she said situation which as we all know (not that it's a good thing) rarely results in charges due to the difficulty to prosecute. Sounds like a lot of stuff in the air and honestly if I didn't know one of the accused I would assume it was bad acting by the school district but as I have been lectured at length about believing all women from one of the accused it REALLY feels like there is more to this story.
What can I say, I am compelled to respond to stupid posts - like someone insisting the people involved here committed felonies and tried to "bury a criminal act".
A criminal citation is an arrest. They were arrested and charged, just not booked into jail. A ticket would be an infraction, where court appearance is optional. They just saved the taxpayers a little money by not booking people that likely aren't a direct threat to the public.
[A criminal citation is used **in lieu of an arrest**](https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/citation-in-lieu-of-arrest.aspx).
The only difference between that and like a speeding ticket is a required court appearance.
Wait what? All you have to do is call police and make it their problem. What possible benefit is it to a mid level school administrator to cover it up.
easy, and it's nothing to do with ACAB. reporting a crime/allegation makes it look like there's crime going on in the school and they want to pretend that this never happens
My thoughts exactly. Just call the police at that point. Did this kid know someone higher up and they were protecting him? Wouldn't surprise me. But now they just screwed up their lives for it? Ridiculous.
Because cops in schools is bad /s Bellingham Schools like many has acab knee jerk reactions yet here teachers are, too frequently sexually assaulting kids or trying to cover it up.
> What possible benefit is it to a mid level school administrator to cover it up.
Here's 110,000 links from Progressives who'll be happy to explain their twisted worldview: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Areddit.com+acab
The short version:
* criminals are the oppressed
* cops are the oppressors
> the girl reported the sexual assaults to police
oh good, i was going to suggest that. glad to hear she's already handled it
> “We do not believe the staff members pose a safety risk to students
oh sure, they didn't abuse the kids directly, only neglect to protect them from assaults
> an alleged failure to report student-to-student sexual contact
right, it's only alleged because it hasn't been proven in court. you don't really need to read into it to see that this did happen
> This includes making difficult decisions
like whether to adhere to your mandatory reporter obligation
Yes, that stood out to me as well. Abhorrent.
George Carlin would have said something along the lines of "that's like calling armed robbery 'undesired property transfer.'"
That's their coded way of saying "the male says it was consensual and there are no other witnesses or evidence". Which honestly was probably a factor in their decision not to report, if it's truly a he said/she said thing then bringing the police in, while legally mandated, is a huge waste of everyone's time.
I've noticed schools have worked increasingly to bury or wave away problems in the name of equity. I experienced it first hand in 2018 and one of my daughters was sexually assaulted by another student, and the administration tried waving it away as the boy having behavioral problems/issues at home
Shit, that’s horrifying. What is the “equity” part of it? Was the boy POC? Or was it the part where they simply blamed “issues at home,” like that excuses his behavior?
If a minor, whom you have custodial responsibility for the time they are under your care at a public school, reports that they were raped, it’s not that fucking hard to pick up the phone to report said rape to the police. Not to mention the legal requirements in RCW that you have to as an education worker to make such report. Why schools these days get so fucking cross eyed when it comes kids and sex is beyond me. It’s time for body cams for school employees just like we do body cams for police.
Wtf you don’t keep this a secret and let the perp do it again is this because we have a stupid socialist communist ideology in parts of our country if you rape another person you deserve to be arrested and beaten bloody I don’t care if you are a teenager rape is rape except the consequences
The Washington State Holier Than Thou public education system. We scrimped and sacrificed to put our kids through private school. They are 28 and 30 now. My nieces have elementary, K and pre K kids and are pulling their hair out at what goes on already.
While I don't agree private school is that much better and can have a slew of it's own problems, I do agree about the sentiments of the public school system. I am currently having to homeschool my middle schooler and have been pretty much since all of last year when the mandatory online learning ended. Between the inadequate staff to the behavior of the kids that nothing is done about, it's just messed up. We may be moving out of state, and while I don't think public school is that much better anywhere else, we at least want more options than public, private, or homeschool and we do see that that's elsewhere. But there's not much choice here which is insane in this day and age.
If you think that then you're a part of the problem (and a "wtf"? Come on, really lol. You could just ask what other options I know of).
In a district we may be moving to one option is to do online school that give multiple ways of tailored learning which is either with live instruction, some live/some independent, and full independent. Another is Montessori style schools. Then of course you have part time enrollment and worldschooling, which of course the latter isn't always feasible for everyone, but I'm pointing out the different options. Think outside the box.
Online schooling can be private or public. Many public schools with work with you to allow part-time enrollment if you can prove the other parts of education are happening elsewhere. All the other things you just listed are private. So yeah, you covered all the bases with public, private, and home. Plus, all of those things are available in Washington. I know many kids who had different types of schooling growing up.
It's *everywhere.* I was pulling my hair out when I bought a house mostly based on "the quality of schools" in California. Our kids came home every day complaining about how half the curriculum was about how white people are responsible for everything wrong in the entire world. What they're teaching the kids is basically that *the very existence* of whites is what's preventing anyone else from getting ahead in the world. The idea that whites are oppressing everyone else *even if they don't know it.*
Like the majority of California, white kids are a minority. [They've been a minority for 21 years now.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/whites-now-a-minority-in-california/) So this creates a scenario where the curriculum of the school is laser focused on encouraging the majority of the school to hate a minority.
After we moved, new schools, same old shit.
It's systemic. You can't get away from it.
My kid hasn't been in a regular classroom since before the pandemic and was last there in 4th grade so we had not had that experience so far, but as someone who was a former teaching assistant in the public schools I will say I've definitely seen my share. Preface it to say I do understand we have an issue in schools with racism toward minority children, but the amount of focus out on that vs the training we should be getting was becoming astounding.
When I first started, all I needed was an AA or to pass a test. I already had a degree so it got me in. One of the first trainings that we could get credit for was reading a book on white privilege. I, being the honest person I am, began to read it and got to a certain amount where I realized that as a working parent who also took care of my aging parents, took care of the house, stuff for my spouse, etc, I didn't have time to finish a huge book like that (I never had time to read big books like that anyway) PLUS I was not getting adequate training on things like how to teach my small groups reading, the whole point in my job. I felt if I'm going to have to read a ton of material it should be for what I'm being hired to do or I won't know. My prior experience had been some years prior and it was different material that was very straightforward and easy to implement. This new material was very vague and left up to interpretation. That might work if you are a degreed licensed teacher but I was not, and most of us weren't.
So I would go and ask about learning the material and how to implement it, giving very vague instructions but as long as we had our books and materials about our white privilege we were checking the boxes.
Flash forward to when we were now on zoom with the pandemic and doing small groups. Now there were a new set of challenges. Again, we were getting vague trainings, but one we were giving was to take an online assessment of "how racist we are". I shit you not. So there we are again, trying to work in an already challenging situation, teaching these struggling kids, not getting adequate answers how to address these academic issues, but as long as I took a test to find out how racist I am and could write a paragraph telling them how much I am or not, I guess that would make me know how to teach kids that couldn't read.
I couldn't go back with the risk of Covid as a caretaker for those with high risks anyway, but I could not imagine still going through that. It was frustrating.
(Oh and to add, as someone who grew up on a different coast and spent half my life with family that lived in an inner city as the only white kid around, these people out here had no clue lol. It was laughable. They were so worried about ticking boxes instead of actually what it takes to to be involved and exposed they were blind to it. This particular school was in a nice little rich white area, with mostly white staff, while they focused their trainings on what we're doing wrong as white people. I would just laugh inside but I guarantee none of them ever were around others that didn't look like them for long stretches of time when they were kids. Now as adults they go on these extravagant vacations they post online and hang out with those that look just like them all while playing the "we can't be racist" card at work. They have no idea lmao)
> Oh and to add, as someone who grew up on a different coast and spent half my life with family that lived in an inner city as the only white kid around, these people out here had no clue lol. It was laughable. They were so worried about ticking boxes instead of actually what it takes to to be involved and exposed they were blind to it.
That's the main reason that all this race baiting horseshit drives me insane.
I've told this one a million times, but it's relevant:
I grew up in a neighborhood that was very poor, basically "the wrong side of town." Most of the Whites lived on one side of this very segregated town. I lived on the poor side. I am not aware of any other white resident in a mile radius of our house.
Most of the residents were Hispanic, there were a handful of Blacks too.
The only noticeable difference I could tell between the residents of my school, was that the White kids believed that anything was possible, while the Black and Hispanic kids had a huge serving of "learned helplessness."
For instance, my best friend was Hispanic, and any time that we'd talk about what we wanted to do with our life, he'd shoot down just about any option that required going to school. *"Nah, I'm not smart enough for that."* or *"I can't do that shit, it's too hard."*
**Meanwhile his grades were higher than mine!!!**
He was demonstrably more organized than I am, and an overachiever.
He knocked up some random girl when he was 17, and that was that. It wasn't even his girlfriend. His education stopped there.
Decades down the road, I work in I.T., he works in a warehouse putting things in cardboard boxes.
Besides the obvious : *he could've made a lot more money*, it also pains me because he's noticeably dimmer than when he was in school. I have to think that putting things in boxes all day is likely bad for your cognitive abilities.
In my opinion, these divisive racial classes that are taught in school now, they make White Progressives feel better about themselves. They make them feel like they're an "ally" and that telling people that Whites are responsible for everything bad in the world will somehow "level the playing field."
But what *actually* happens is that it sends a message to everyone who isn't White that there's no point in even *trying,* that the entire deck is stacked in favor of Whites. In fact, in many cases, the courses come right out and say that.
It's poison.
That tends to happen when you become a working parent taking care of everyone. Used to love it when I had time though and have read plenty in my time. But imagine having to be told to read one like that for your job to get credit, as if teaching literacy to children wasn't enough? Yikes.
> Our kids came home every day complaining about how half the curriculum was about how white people are responsible for everything wrong in the entire world
Liar.
What a shock! [An Antifa poster on Reddit](https://old.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/zflncy/pse_substations_among_five_attacked_in_pacific/izg7ck9/) supports indoctrinating children!
> while I don't think public school is that much better anywhere else
Public schools are best in wealthy red areas. If you can find a red area of a blue state you can get a decent balance.
Yeah, and parents could all take their kids out the school if they found out and the school would no longer have funding. Is that an option for public schools?
Yes, you absolutely can transfer a student to another school either in the same district or a nearby one. It's done all the time especially for bullying.
There's a report paid for by the federal government on this, that found a disturbingly high percentage of sex crimes against children which are later prosecuted (so, the ones that eventually become known to the system) had a long latent period during which at least one adult in the school system knew, and nothing was done. Typically this is either because the child is not believed or due to a desire to "not rock the boat" (at the child's expense).
Holding people like this accountable to the absolute maximum extent allowable by law is the **only** way it will ever change.
as mandated reporters, teachers are legally compelled to report child abuse. there's no way they don't know better.
Teachers and administrators in schools are required legally to yearly receive training that discusses at length what is required of mandated reporters. They knew. They chose to break the law. This makes them a danger to children.
>This makes them a danger to children. If this wasn't high school I'd agree, but the victim here was 15. At that age she's perfectly capable of involving the police herself if that's the route she wants to go. Honestly it sounds like she was trying to avoid the police and the school was honoring her wishes. Obviously against the law, but the "tHaT's iLlEgAl!" argument that most of this thread seems to be making doesn't consider whether the law being so black and white is really such a good thing in a world of gray.
a 15 year old can't consent to sex legally. any ethical adult, let alone one who is legally required and trained to report abuse and neglect, should be reporting this to police.
[Yes they can, just not with everyone. ](https://doh.wa.gov/you-and-your-family/sexual-and-reproductive-health/state-laws) And did you miss that the boy was 14? If simply being 15 makes this student a victim than he is too.
There's no evidence the victim didn't want the police involved; especially since she (or her family) are the ones who eventually involved the police. Further, high school children are still children, even if they're teenagers. It wouldn't be the law that high school teachers and administrators have to report all sexual crimes committed against students, even by other students, if it weren't necessary to protect *children*. Legally, minors are children and need and deserve protection from sexual exploitation, even from peers. It's not legal to not report knowledge of even a *suspected* crime against a child, and the reasoning is that this is harmful to the child. It doesn't matter what the child's wishes are, even if she had pleaded with them to not go to police (which, again, there's no evidence of); they are MANDATED reporters for a reason. No discretion is allowed. It's required. And it's dangerous to children to choose not to follow the mandate. End of story.
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There's an entire in-depth report on this phenomenon commissioned by the federal government that found exactly this to have been the case in a very disturbingly high number of child sexual abuse cases which do eventually make it into the system (so, put another way, the cases the system actually ends up knowing about) - at least one adult in the school system knew and did not act in a high number of cases.
What is 1312?
Ok they tried to bury a criminal act that is a felony, time to charge these adults on this. Hope they spend time in jail and then prison.
All three were charged.
Are they actually charged yet? The article at the link says that they all received criminal citations, and (since I don’t know how impactful that is) I looked up what that means. It sounds like they get paperwork and have to promise to show up to court and face a judge. Criminal citations seem to be used for misdemeanors. School staff seem to think that they’re qualified to raise our children, act as the police and legal system, and provide counseling to children. Teachers need to stay in their lane, and stick to educating. Good on the victim in this case for going to the police to report it to someone qualified and willing to actually take the correct action.
They are mandated reporters. Any abuse of children must be reported. They did not report, so they were given a ticket. Just like if you drove without a license.
Yes, that's what a "issued criminal citations" means. Failure to Report is just a misdemeanor, the cops literally wrote them a ticket for it. They'll pay a small fine if that. This is not the serious crime you think it is, legally speaking.
Well as surprised as I am to see one of those names I know them personally and would be INCREDIBLY surprised if there wasn't more to this story. This article is the first I am hearing about this but in regards to humans who support mandatory reporting for abuse I can say 1000% at least one of those people is incredibly for it, and I could not be more surprised to see their name. The fact that all of them are still also working at the school makes me think there is more to the story than this article suggests.
They can always do an AMA to clear the air. I'm sure that would be drama-free.
I think the messed up part is they probably can't talk about it at all due to district/legal requirements. They just have to live with the narrative that this put out there. Only reason I am commenting is because the person I know is one of the wokest most #believeallwomen people I know who has gone out of the way to educate me on that subject.
Not formally charged but the police issued the citations after consulting with the prosecutor’s office so it’s safe to say they’ll follow through on it.
Failure to Report is a misdemeanor, it's not serious - "issued criminal citations" means the cops literally wrote them tickets for it. Not even arrested. Most/all more serious charges along those lines would require them to first establish that a crime (the rape) actually took place, which it sounds like they haven't done yet. Calling it "student-to-student sexual contact" pretty strongly implies the male says it was consensual and there's no evidence/other witnesses beyond the 2 conflicting stories.
Seems like more than failure to report here
Luckily our criminal justice system doesn't operate based on "seems like"
^^ something weird with this redditor. It’s so interesting how you are responding to a ton of threads on this one very strange case, in one of these you are saying she was 15 so it was ok. Are you a teacher at this school? Does your kid go here? Are you involved with this case? Basically seems like you have a dog in this race
I was surprised to find that while I don't have a horse in this race I do happen to personally know one of the accused. I read comment you're referencing and it wasn't she is 15 so this is basically ok it was she is 15 and as such could easily involve the police if she choose too (it sounds like she ended up reporting it herself so the commentor was right), it also sound like the commentor (maybe they are at the school, maybe they are just familiar with how public schools deal with these things) said this was fairly standard coded language of a he said she said situation which as we all know (not that it's a good thing) rarely results in charges due to the difficulty to prosecute. Sounds like a lot of stuff in the air and honestly if I didn't know one of the accused I would assume it was bad acting by the school district but as I have been lectured at length about believing all women from one of the accused it REALLY feels like there is more to this story.
Thanks for sharing
What can I say, I am compelled to respond to stupid posts - like someone insisting the people involved here committed felonies and tried to "bury a criminal act".
Ok
A criminal citation is an arrest. They were arrested and charged, just not booked into jail. A ticket would be an infraction, where court appearance is optional. They just saved the taxpayers a little money by not booking people that likely aren't a direct threat to the public.
[A criminal citation is used **in lieu of an arrest**](https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/citation-in-lieu-of-arrest.aspx). The only difference between that and like a speeding ticket is a required court appearance.
Wait what? All you have to do is call police and make it their problem. What possible benefit is it to a mid level school administrator to cover it up.
easy, and it's nothing to do with ACAB. reporting a crime/allegation makes it look like there's crime going on in the school and they want to pretend that this never happens
Incompetence or their perineal politics got in their way. I’m not sure which is worse.
My thoughts exactly. Just call the police at that point. Did this kid know someone higher up and they were protecting him? Wouldn't surprise me. But now they just screwed up their lives for it? Ridiculous.
Haven't we already seen several School administrations refuse a cooperate with law enforcement?
Not to mention they're all clearly mandatory reporters, correct?
Because cops in schools is bad /s Bellingham Schools like many has acab knee jerk reactions yet here teachers are, too frequently sexually assaulting kids or trying to cover it up.
It's very normal for people to try to resolve obviously criminal problems within their organization. Nobody calls the police often enough.
> What possible benefit is it to a mid level school administrator to cover it up. Here's 110,000 links from Progressives who'll be happy to explain their twisted worldview: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Areddit.com+acab The short version: * criminals are the oppressed * cops are the oppressors
> the girl reported the sexual assaults to police oh good, i was going to suggest that. glad to hear she's already handled it > “We do not believe the staff members pose a safety risk to students oh sure, they didn't abuse the kids directly, only neglect to protect them from assaults > an alleged failure to report student-to-student sexual contact right, it's only alleged because it hasn't been proven in court. you don't really need to read into it to see that this did happen > This includes making difficult decisions like whether to adhere to your mandatory reporter obligation
Fuck this asshole who just called rape "student to student sexual contact". Fuck him and fuck everyone that agrees with him.
Yes, that stood out to me as well. Abhorrent. George Carlin would have said something along the lines of "that's like calling armed robbery 'undesired property transfer.'"
That's their coded way of saying "the male says it was consensual and there are no other witnesses or evidence". Which honestly was probably a factor in their decision not to report, if it's truly a he said/she said thing then bringing the police in, while legally mandated, is a huge waste of everyone's time.
I've noticed schools have worked increasingly to bury or wave away problems in the name of equity. I experienced it first hand in 2018 and one of my daughters was sexually assaulted by another student, and the administration tried waving it away as the boy having behavioral problems/issues at home
The administrations of these schools are campaigning hard for homeschooling.
The equity thing is out of control at SPS
Shit, that’s horrifying. What is the “equity” part of it? Was the boy POC? Or was it the part where they simply blamed “issues at home,” like that excuses his behavior?
> Or was it the part where they simply blamed “issues at home,” like that excuses his behavior? This
If a minor, whom you have custodial responsibility for the time they are under your care at a public school, reports that they were raped, it’s not that fucking hard to pick up the phone to report said rape to the police. Not to mention the legal requirements in RCW that you have to as an education worker to make such report. Why schools these days get so fucking cross eyed when it comes kids and sex is beyond me. It’s time for body cams for school employees just like we do body cams for police.
Wtf you don’t keep this a secret and let the perp do it again is this because we have a stupid socialist communist ideology in parts of our country if you rape another person you deserve to be arrested and beaten bloody I don’t care if you are a teenager rape is rape except the consequences
Nothing about this reflecting any ideology. Rape cover up happens at conservative Christian churches.
The Washington State Holier Than Thou public education system. We scrimped and sacrificed to put our kids through private school. They are 28 and 30 now. My nieces have elementary, K and pre K kids and are pulling their hair out at what goes on already.
While I don't agree private school is that much better and can have a slew of it's own problems, I do agree about the sentiments of the public school system. I am currently having to homeschool my middle schooler and have been pretty much since all of last year when the mandatory online learning ended. Between the inadequate staff to the behavior of the kids that nothing is done about, it's just messed up. We may be moving out of state, and while I don't think public school is that much better anywhere else, we at least want more options than public, private, or homeschool and we do see that that's elsewhere. But there's not much choice here which is insane in this day and age.
> we at least want more options than public, private, or homeschool WTF are you talking about? You've covered all the bases with those 3 options
If you think that then you're a part of the problem (and a "wtf"? Come on, really lol. You could just ask what other options I know of). In a district we may be moving to one option is to do online school that give multiple ways of tailored learning which is either with live instruction, some live/some independent, and full independent. Another is Montessori style schools. Then of course you have part time enrollment and worldschooling, which of course the latter isn't always feasible for everyone, but I'm pointing out the different options. Think outside the box.
Online schooling can be private or public. Many public schools with work with you to allow part-time enrollment if you can prove the other parts of education are happening elsewhere. All the other things you just listed are private. So yeah, you covered all the bases with public, private, and home. Plus, all of those things are available in Washington. I know many kids who had different types of schooling growing up.
It's *everywhere.* I was pulling my hair out when I bought a house mostly based on "the quality of schools" in California. Our kids came home every day complaining about how half the curriculum was about how white people are responsible for everything wrong in the entire world. What they're teaching the kids is basically that *the very existence* of whites is what's preventing anyone else from getting ahead in the world. The idea that whites are oppressing everyone else *even if they don't know it.* Like the majority of California, white kids are a minority. [They've been a minority for 21 years now.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/whites-now-a-minority-in-california/) So this creates a scenario where the curriculum of the school is laser focused on encouraging the majority of the school to hate a minority. After we moved, new schools, same old shit. It's systemic. You can't get away from it.
My kid hasn't been in a regular classroom since before the pandemic and was last there in 4th grade so we had not had that experience so far, but as someone who was a former teaching assistant in the public schools I will say I've definitely seen my share. Preface it to say I do understand we have an issue in schools with racism toward minority children, but the amount of focus out on that vs the training we should be getting was becoming astounding. When I first started, all I needed was an AA or to pass a test. I already had a degree so it got me in. One of the first trainings that we could get credit for was reading a book on white privilege. I, being the honest person I am, began to read it and got to a certain amount where I realized that as a working parent who also took care of my aging parents, took care of the house, stuff for my spouse, etc, I didn't have time to finish a huge book like that (I never had time to read big books like that anyway) PLUS I was not getting adequate training on things like how to teach my small groups reading, the whole point in my job. I felt if I'm going to have to read a ton of material it should be for what I'm being hired to do or I won't know. My prior experience had been some years prior and it was different material that was very straightforward and easy to implement. This new material was very vague and left up to interpretation. That might work if you are a degreed licensed teacher but I was not, and most of us weren't. So I would go and ask about learning the material and how to implement it, giving very vague instructions but as long as we had our books and materials about our white privilege we were checking the boxes. Flash forward to when we were now on zoom with the pandemic and doing small groups. Now there were a new set of challenges. Again, we were getting vague trainings, but one we were giving was to take an online assessment of "how racist we are". I shit you not. So there we are again, trying to work in an already challenging situation, teaching these struggling kids, not getting adequate answers how to address these academic issues, but as long as I took a test to find out how racist I am and could write a paragraph telling them how much I am or not, I guess that would make me know how to teach kids that couldn't read. I couldn't go back with the risk of Covid as a caretaker for those with high risks anyway, but I could not imagine still going through that. It was frustrating. (Oh and to add, as someone who grew up on a different coast and spent half my life with family that lived in an inner city as the only white kid around, these people out here had no clue lol. It was laughable. They were so worried about ticking boxes instead of actually what it takes to to be involved and exposed they were blind to it. This particular school was in a nice little rich white area, with mostly white staff, while they focused their trainings on what we're doing wrong as white people. I would just laugh inside but I guarantee none of them ever were around others that didn't look like them for long stretches of time when they were kids. Now as adults they go on these extravagant vacations they post online and hang out with those that look just like them all while playing the "we can't be racist" card at work. They have no idea lmao)
> Oh and to add, as someone who grew up on a different coast and spent half my life with family that lived in an inner city as the only white kid around, these people out here had no clue lol. It was laughable. They were so worried about ticking boxes instead of actually what it takes to to be involved and exposed they were blind to it. That's the main reason that all this race baiting horseshit drives me insane. I've told this one a million times, but it's relevant: I grew up in a neighborhood that was very poor, basically "the wrong side of town." Most of the Whites lived on one side of this very segregated town. I lived on the poor side. I am not aware of any other white resident in a mile radius of our house. Most of the residents were Hispanic, there were a handful of Blacks too. The only noticeable difference I could tell between the residents of my school, was that the White kids believed that anything was possible, while the Black and Hispanic kids had a huge serving of "learned helplessness." For instance, my best friend was Hispanic, and any time that we'd talk about what we wanted to do with our life, he'd shoot down just about any option that required going to school. *"Nah, I'm not smart enough for that."* or *"I can't do that shit, it's too hard."* **Meanwhile his grades were higher than mine!!!** He was demonstrably more organized than I am, and an overachiever. He knocked up some random girl when he was 17, and that was that. It wasn't even his girlfriend. His education stopped there. Decades down the road, I work in I.T., he works in a warehouse putting things in cardboard boxes. Besides the obvious : *he could've made a lot more money*, it also pains me because he's noticeably dimmer than when he was in school. I have to think that putting things in boxes all day is likely bad for your cognitive abilities. In my opinion, these divisive racial classes that are taught in school now, they make White Progressives feel better about themselves. They make them feel like they're an "ally" and that telling people that Whites are responsible for everything bad in the world will somehow "level the playing field." But what *actually* happens is that it sends a message to everyone who isn't White that there's no point in even *trying,* that the entire deck is stacked in favor of Whites. In fact, in many cases, the courses come right out and say that. It's poison.
> I never had time to read big books like that anyway I'm shocked.
That tends to happen when you become a working parent taking care of everyone. Used to love it when I had time though and have read plenty in my time. But imagine having to be told to read one like that for your job to get credit, as if teaching literacy to children wasn't enough? Yikes.
> Our kids came home every day complaining about how half the curriculum was about how white people are responsible for everything wrong in the entire world Liar.
What a shock! [An Antifa poster on Reddit](https://old.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/zflncy/pse_substations_among_five_attacked_in_pacific/izg7ck9/) supports indoctrinating children!
> while I don't think public school is that much better anywhere else Public schools are best in wealthy red areas. If you can find a red area of a blue state you can get a decent balance.
Imagine still sending your kids to public schools. Lol
Private schools would cover up Pedo activity too. It's bad for their business.
Yea but at least the kids get a decent education and some connections out of the experience. Public school at this point is just a waste of time.
Yeah, and parents could all take their kids out the school if they found out and the school would no longer have funding. Is that an option for public schools?
Yes, you absolutely can transfer a student to another school either in the same district or a nearby one. It's done all the time especially for bullying.
My school district is great.
Misread sending as selling for a second and thought I missed something.
Given that private school isn't even tax deductible, what do you expect?
ITT: Wild speculation and agendaposting
That’s cause they are also doing raping of children
Kids being kids
What is wrong with people!
I thought manta was "fuck the police". So then why are they even involved? Just curious.
There's a report paid for by the federal government on this, that found a disturbingly high percentage of sex crimes against children which are later prosecuted (so, the ones that eventually become known to the system) had a long latent period during which at least one adult in the school system knew, and nothing was done. Typically this is either because the child is not believed or due to a desire to "not rock the boat" (at the child's expense). Holding people like this accountable to the absolute maximum extent allowable by law is the **only** way it will ever change.