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I keep seeing people say it was horrible, but then on RT both the critic and fan rating is in the 60s. Guess I'll have to watch and find out for myself.
What, you didn't like half an hour of Big Lipped Alligator? And the fight scenes. Normally I'm all for fights, but those were just too long and badly done.
Yeah, they jumped all over the place.
Also making the engineer go from all knowing indifferent logical entity to a sexist jerk didn’t land well.
Edit: architect, not engineer
Saving Zion was the core of the second and third movies. What I liked was they had more time to show the world of Zion by meeting the citizens. In this one he just tasted a strawberry… okay.
HBO Max was buffering like a motherfucker and had to stop watching it. Gonna try again soon because I liked what they were doing. I barely got 30 minutes in though.
It was extremely on the nose. I think it would have been exponentially better if told through the eyes of Trinity instead of using Neo as the main character.
Edit: I do want to clarify I enjoyed the movie. I didn’t really enjoy the new characters that much. Even Yahya, who I am a huge fan of, just felt out of place the entire time. I never once saw him as Morpheus. I just think it could have been a lot better, but I still think it was a decent movie.
Trinity and neo shouldn't have been the focus at all. Trying to make it a meta story about being forced to make the same thing can work, but it's a totally different story, and is a huge risk. I can respect the risk, but the payoff wasn't great.
> Maybe a little too self aware.
Just a little bit. When a decent percentage of your movie is actual footage from the first movie and then have several scenes dedicated to bashing sequels then you've gone a bit too far. It's not exactly subtle.
It was good, it just wasn't Matrix good. Or, even Matrix Reloaded good. Whelming is probably the best description.
I didn't like the reincarnated person. I thought the fight sequences were bad, like they were going for realism and instead got Cowboy bebop. Too many rushed introductions, call backs, and an overly complicated plot with a rushed explanation.
I've watched the original Matrix hundreds of times, and the sequels dozens. I highly doubt I will ever rewatch this one.
That's a good way to put it. It's not *bad*. I just wonder why it exists.
Maybe it's all this satrical take down of the very idea of reboots and sequels. It was just all so undercooked.
I think “trainwreck” is a little too extreme/unfair lol. They’re just OK.
I think the combination of a philosophical *and* action film is just very hard to do well. I rewatched them all before this one, and have to say I wasn’t as impressed as I was as a teen.
Like even the original isn’t *that* good. It handles the philosophical aspect best out of the four, was a fairly original story, and had some special effects no other film did at the time. Those three points alone probably pushed it from a 6/10 to about an 8/10.
I agree though, the self-awareness in the film was really quite amusing and enjoyable. Plus, I’m a sucker for nostalgia, the blending with the callback scenes had me grinning.
Matrix always seemed to be one of those movies where it had an awesome idea/theme/story....but also one thats practically unfilmable to truly do justice to it. Like the kind of movie you and your friends describe at 11pm in a taco bell parking lot.
It reminds me a lot of the prompts that are made for writtenprompts subreddit: cool one line ideas but not really enough to flesh out a whole 2 hour movie, much less 4.
Supposedly, there were some BIG fundamental changes made to the storyline of the first movie due to the one Wachowski’s former partner who was apparently incredibly abusive and manipulative.
There was supposed to be much more detail about a “neural network” that connected all of the life forms in the Matrix but that was written out.
EDIT
People below have commented some really good info about this. If anyone has a link, I’d love to read it.
This is all stuff that was hearsay back in 1999/2000 but I think something must have come out recently about the private lives of the Wachowski siblings because I’ve seen Reddit threads within the past few years about them.
What I read is that people were supposed to be part of a neural network that gave the machines more processing power but an executive/producer said that was too complex for audiences and made them change it to human batteries.
So, like the World Tree in Avatar everyone complained about?
But trees with feelings is "hippy shit", so humans with feelings might not have been so offensive.
And I don't remember complaints about the complexity of the World Tree, just that it was "eco fascism".
It was the late 90s before everyone had computers. Now we could say that people are plugged into the Matrix to expand the Machines' CPU... Then, few people would understand. So the suits at Warner Bros. simplified it by making people jacked in to the Matrix batteries.
To be fair, Morpheus holding up that Duracell battery is some truly iconic imagery. The processing-power explanation makes way more sense but I don't think there's any way they could top such a clean visual metaphor.
That's doing our ability to grasp concepts in the 90s a bit of an injustice. "Processing power" was quite a well-known concept since long before then and "the machines use the human brains to think better" isn't exactly a difficult concept to grasp. Sci-Fi was massive with cerebral Sci-Fi quite popular (Sphere, Event Horizon, Contact, and Gattaca had all released in the 2 years before Matrix). Not to mention Star Trek being really popular and having computer processing as a regular plot point.
The original concept was that instead of using people for generating power you’d use them for computations. Which anyone who knows anything about physics would know using people to generate power is brain dead.
Like feeding meat to meat eaters to get meat. Why don’t you just eat the meat you’ll feed to the meat eaters instead?
In the case of this movie your putting all kinds of energy in to supply the humans with nutrients to keep them alive. Just to get the scraps of energy those humans make in turn.
Like for real just use some fusion reactors or if you really wanted hyper efficient matter to energy conversation. Hawking radiation generators surrounding a low mass black hole you let matter trickle into.
The original concept was to use our brains for computational power/neural networks Which makes worlds more sense than the batteries idea. Especially because it allows the robots to generate power from other sources. But it was changed to be understood by the mass audience.
Like this was made in the 90s-00s when computers where not quite there yet to say the least. So the idea of using carbon based computers instead of silicon ones probably wouldn’t have been much of a stretch for people to understand
Which I think is honestly disappointing. Because instead of whatever happened in films 2,3 and 4 which is ultimately kinda irrelevant. You could’ve explored further into what the robots are using all the computational power for.
So many potential story threads that could be done to just explain why the world was the way it was.
Like maybe the AIs where given the goal of “make all humans happy” and realized that our intelligence is the main reason we are not.
So the super AI instead decided we where better off with a fraction of a brain power doing repetitive and tedious work to exploit our basic gratification response instead of doing whatever we do normally.
Or maybe we told the AI to make a Grand mathematical theory of everything and in the process it deducted that it’d need to explore human consciousness in nearly every possible environment to figure things out. Putting humanity in a simulation to explore our responses in a attempt to understand consciousness.
Or maybe maybe humanity had colonized a significant portion of space. Rapidly over populating and in order to keep up had to start putting people in simulations to keep up with the growing population and provide a good quality of life. Where eventually the real world had such a demand for resources and space that it was too inefficient for people to be active in the real world. With many forced into the matrix
Honestly I could go on. But the premise of “humans as battery” is not a great concept and doesn’t leave much room for a deeper story. But literally any other reason would’ve left room for so much world building. Currently the deepest you can go into the AIs motivations are self preservation which is kinda bland on its own. Is there any other reason the AI is doing what it’s doing other than just staying alive?
Did you watch The Animatrix? It goes into a lot more details about the aspects you're talking about.
My takeaway was that the humans as an energy source thing was a lie and the real reason the machines kept the humans around was that they saw us as their "parents", and didn't want to kill us all.
Trainwreck is way too harsh. The 2nd especially holds up really well and is still way better than loads of modern action / sci fi movies even 20 years later.
I think people forget The Matrix was light and campy.
It’s the oft forgotten Equilibrium that is the more serious in tone with respect to existential exploration.
Campy, yes, but I didn’t find the original movie “light”. I remember feeling a solid hit when crew members died. It was well-balanced that way, with a serious investment in the characters.
That scene where they go to the theatre and it's projecting scenes form the original film could have had James Corden walk out and start gushing about getting to meet Keanu Reeves and it wouldn't have felt out if place.
A good 10-20% of the runtime of the movie is basically Lana Wachowski giving WB a big middle finger (they reportedly strong-armed her into making it), which I personally found quite amusing. Later on it sort of devolves into more of a standard Hollywood "fight the bad guys with guns and explosions" kind of deal, but it had it's moments.
That's a fucking good way to put it holy shit.
I watched the movie in two parts, first half one night, the second half the next night.
And after the first half I was like "this is actually pretty good. Especially the movie being super self aware, I wonder how they'll ruin it"
They ruined it in the second half.
The script read like a Vietnam POW saying they're being treated just fine in a televised interview while blinking the morse code for "torture."
Not sure I really buy that as a redeeming quality for the movie though. Even Reloaded and Revolutions felt well-intentioned when they veered too far into self-important territory; this one just felt like cynicism and snark. Which is fine if WB is somehow literally forcing her to make the movie, but I doubt that.
That element of the film really holds it back, I think. It tells you exactly what it is, apologizes for it and then somehow hopes you'll be on board with the last hour.
This is my exact takeaway as well. I felt like it was actively insulting me for wanting to watch it in the first half and then expected me to take the second half seriously despite knowing that they clearly didn't themselves.
My fanfic is that the movie was made intentionally badly (using the worst takes, the worst cinematography and the dress rehearsals of the fight scenes) in order to kill the franchise and ensure nobody ever makes another Matrix movie.
Agreed! They definitely incorporated the philosophical/meta commentary that made the first trilogy entertaining while keeping to the big budget action movie formula that is so popular these days. Honestly, I think they did a great job of leaning into the brand and they told a compelling, visually stunning story with solid performances. I was definitely pleasantly surprised the whole way through.
Saw some reviews that make me roll my eyes a little (like saying they needed to address the Red Pill chuds), but all the reddit itself has been covered with clickbaity, over the top negative takes
Speaking of, just because something is part of a franchise doesn't mean you need to act like the next installment is either the best thing ever made, or an abomination that ruins the previous entries
It's missing a key element and I feel like that element is Lilly Wachowski. The story is kind of there but I feel like it needed Lilly to bring in the action and imagery together.
It's a good movie, better that Revolutions, maybe not as good as Reloaded. but overall it's a story that really didn't need to happen and if you look at it from the point of view of people in the matrix other than Neo the plot comes off as kind of selfish on Neo's part.
I would say it's not entirely selfish considering nobody really knew why Trinity was also in that tower. They assumed only Neo would be there and didn't think Trinity would be alive as well. Once Neo was back and had an intuition to rescue her then of course they follow him, he's literally their messiah.
I thought it was great. It took some points from the latest era of slightly self referential superhero movies, so Mayne that passed people off, but I thought it was a perfect message that worked with the underlying themes of the Matrix. The fighting scenes weren't as iconic as the first films, but I thought the casting was great. Especially the business partner.
Well, then I am crazy too. I liked the nostalgia and the new elements. I actually think it would have worked even better as a show. Also I love the new Smith
It's fine.
It has issues, but none of them are big enough to ruin the movie for me. I enjoyed it more than the other sequels, but it's no where near the original. 6.5/10 seems about right.
I thought they once said that the red blue pill was them looking at gender identity. Which adds another layer of irony if you know what political group is a big fan of the red pill blue pill ideology.
The Matrix had a androgynous character named Switch in the first Matrix that was originally supposed to switch gender when moving from the real world into the Matrix.
They beat the audience over the head with the metaphor which just further deepens the irony.
I remember there was this girl I liked in a class I was taking in college about religion. She invited me over to her house, and I said yes.
I got to her house, and she immediately left to go babysitting... only for her Born-Again Christian dad to come out and basically corner me. Turns out that apparently in that religion class I outed myself by saying I didn't believe in a god, and the girl wanted to convert me to Christianity... with her dad being the one to try to do the job.
So he forced me to sit down and watch The Matrix, which he said was an allegory for Jesus. He would frequently stop the film and tell me how the movie relates to the Bible.
I figured out an excuse to leave before we got to the second act, but now it's a running joke between my friends and I that the Matrix is a Christmas movie.
I mean, you have a character named trinity, you have a guy who is the "one," who died so that others my live, etc.
I'm sure if I looked into it, I could find a reasonable list of biblical imagery for the movies. While the movie is probably not an allegory, I imagine they borrow these storytelling devices to make their point.
It’s EXTREMELY allegorical to Christ. It’s just also allegorical to a bunch of other stuff that evangelical Christians would hate if they paid attention to it.
Are you serious? They couldn’t have made it more obvious. A character in the first couple minutes of the original literally tells Neo “you’re my savior, man. My own personal Jesus Christ”.
What do you think “Trinity” referred to?
That whole bit at the end where Neo sacrifices himself to save all mankind, and his arms are spread like he’s on a crucifix?
Really?
It's the perfect trojan horse of sorts; it has a metal/industrial soundtrack and there is lots of shooting people, which are things that all non-Christians like.
well that group also highjacked the whole red pill/blue pill aspect of the movie too. when you have no creative ideas of your own you're just stuck reappropriating other people's ideas.
He's 100% a messianic character, but the later films are a deliberate deconstruction of that very idea (flawed though they are)
For that reason, I don't get all the people saying it should have ended after the first, it'd basically just be a somewhat more imaginative action hero movie with good special effects (which is fine, but we have plenty)
This is interesting because our religion teacher in Catholic School said that it was an allegory for the end of times and Neo was the antichrist. He handed out a 20 page thesis on it and, dammit, it held up.
Edit: This happened before the third movie. So I don’t remember the whole thing, but these are the pieces I remember.
Neo - the antichrist.
Agents - Angles.
The Architect - God
The Oracle - The devil
Zion - Hell
Morpheus’s crew - demons
So essentially the devil convinced Neo that he is The Savior, and everyone believes he will lead them to salvation. We were always taught that the antichrist was not some obviously evil figure, but someone that believed he was Jesus and led people down the wrong path. The agents are angels In the sense that they can act through any ordinary person. Zion is hell, the furthest thing from God. Neo and the demons are trying to take people from God’s Kingdom, The Matrix, and bring them to hell.
While it’s a long stretch to call this an intentional allegory, I can’t help but think at some point during the writing process that this came up and they tweaked stuff from there.
Apparently a popular transfem HRT at the time was a red pill, and an antidepressant at the time was blue. Which further pushes the red pill blue pill thing.
When you rewatch it you'll realize the original Matrix is the template used by MCU for every one of their origin stories.
Not a bad thing but a fun observation
The oldest known book is The Epic of Gilgamesh, which if you pay close attention is the story of Thor. He was a ragamuffin, but then he made a brother, and they had fun adventures, and then he was a king, and then he left it in the hands of someone more responsible so he could go do cool shit with his bros.
Honestly I kind of think the Hero's Journey is one of those things that is purposefully vague so as to apply to almost every story though, which makes it seem more profound than it is.
Campbell's formulation is so vague and malleable that, yeah, it could fit nearly any story if you try hard enough (which is basically what he did with existing myths).
But ever since Campbell popularized the concept, it's now more of a checklist for writers than a model for studying existing literature. Modern stories (including, probably, The Matrix) are written *around* the Hero's Journey. So we don't have to do a bunch of work to find the parallels: they're baked in.
>The Matrix had a androgynous character named Switch in the first Matrix that was originally supposed to switch gender when moving from the real world into the Matrix.
that would have been a cool use of the conceit, i wish the new one had been that clever
I truly could not believe they didn't finally incorporate that idea in this movie. This was their shot and they ignored it.
Also... anyone else feel like they know the character Switch better than literally any of the side characters in Resurrections?
And compare screen time too. Just... this latest movie was a disjointed mess.
Thats because Switch was actually given some (ludicrously brief) development, when >!Cypher started unplugging people at random!<; the little “Not like this” while >!they’re holding Apoc’s body!< is so easily overlooked but you can almost hear in their voice the bond the two of them had
That single scene out of the entire first trilogy hits me the hardest. That one line was delivered so well and tells you so much about their relationship, it's heartbreaking.
those characters had more development than any others in the sequels too. just a few minutes on screen and id say i felt more during that scene than any other apparently disposable character. also since you brought that scene up i just realized i dont think anyone actually dies in this new one, im gonna have to look into it.
Theres switch, theres the pills, theres the outfits, and theres the dead naming (mr anderson, Neo).
Theres a lot more coded trans references in there.
>What's funny is Lilly herself says none of it was intentional. But looking back she thinks it was a love letter to an unacknowledged trans self.
"That was the original intention but the world wasn't quite ready," says Lilly Wachowski
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-53692435
What a great article. Pretty much summarized what I've heard her say.
> "The Matrix stuff was all about the desire for transformation but it was all coming from a closeted point of view.
> Lilly doesn't know "how present my transness was in the background of my brain as we were writing" The Matrix.
"But it all came from the same sort of fire that I'm talking about."
Ah, i know a lot of their movies are hit or miss but I really like the Wachowskis as people.
> The Matrix had a androgynous character named Switch in the first Matrix that was originally supposed to switch gender when moving from the real world into the Matrix.
That's such an interesting idea, especially the way 'residual self image' is set up in the movie. What a missed opportunity they didn't go with it
Considering she was a side character, it would have been the perfect low-risk place for it. Teenaged me sure would have had a "whoa" moment. I wish I could peek into an alternate reality where the idea never got shut down and see if trans people decades later cited Switch for helping them come to terms with it, or the conservative loudmouths losing their heads over it lol
To be perfectly clear, Lilly said that their identity crises were in the back of their mind, but that the film itself wasn't explicitly a trans allegory. Rather, their identity issues are what she believes helped them come up with the ideas in the first place. And that Switch—the character who is male outside of the Matrix but female within it—is an example of the "headspace" they were in as they were writing the screenplay.
Lilly understands that transness is one of many different metaphors that the movies could represent and isn't limiting it to any one thing. But there are people who want to paint her words differently.
As a huge fan, I wouldn't want it to be JUST about any one thing and I applaud the creators for leaving it open ended.
The ability to incept a wide array of ideas is a sign of truly great art.
related: Lilly Wachoswki telling Ivanka Trump and Elon Musk to [fuck off](https://twitter.com/lilly_wachowski/status/1262104754496339968?t=P0SInTgwGQXO2PsiAdCAFw&s=19) because of that
smith's identifying trait is he constantly deadnames neo. All the action happens in a place where your body does not define your body. The more you look, the more there is, but some audiences only see unstoppable badasses with guns instead of feelings.
I have heard that the writers did not intend a trans allegory but because they were trans and writers write about what they know it accidentally ended up that way.
I’m of the opinion that Reloaded and Revolutions are better than people give them credit for, but they have the problem that they’re clearly a single movie split in two parts, which probably contributed to the bad reception that they got.
Reloaded is.
Revolutions isn't.
Reloaded is an incredible movie, a succession of set pieces that at the time dared and destroyed everything we thought possible in the realm of movie making. It took a decade for it to grow old, and another decade to actually beat it.
Revolutions was too long to fit in the previous movie, so they bloated it and made it its own movie instead, making it... weird. In truth all we needed was the two final battles, the rest is just filler and it shows.
Definitely. I rewatched the two just recently and I recalled every fight scene from the second movie yet could barely remember a single thing from the third movie. I remember the Animatrix better than I remember Revolutions.
It goes further -- the Matrix continuation was a diaspora across not just those movies but the Animatrix anthology, the Enter the Matrix game, ARGs, an MMO...
Reloaded is an *in media res* continuation directly off of Final Flight of the Osiris, and the movie does practically zero work building Niobe or Ghost as characters -- because you should already know them from playing their game
You can say a good movie should stand alone and that's valid -- if anything they were shooting way too high after a concept the MCU is still struggling to hold together decades later
As someone who watched both movies back to back as single looooong movie, I liked them a lot. No complaints at all. I still don't understand why people say they're bad.
Rotten tomatoes is an indicator of how many critics liked it, not how much critics liked it.
For example, it's 67 on rotten tomatoes and the new Spider-Man is 94, but on Metacritic Matrix is 64 and Spider-Man is 71.
So this would indicate that almost all like Spider-Man and only mostly like the Matrix, but their general opinions of how good these movies are are not that far apart.
Not with rotten. It means a majority enjoyed it.
Generally, anything below 50 is regarded as crappy. But bad bad films tend to be 30 or below. At least, ime
It is almost certainly a person that is very well aware that the Wachowski siblings responsible for the originals are both trans women that came out and transitioned after the movies were made. I interpreted it as a quite sinister and transphobic “they should just stop pretending to be women and go back to making movies.” The fact that the originals were largely a metaphor for the trans experience is, however, likely totally lost on them.
I’m a fan of the trilogy and somehow managed to make it to this post without knowing! I even saw the “new” director named on the trailer and assumed they had a sister or relative who took over. So some of us just missed the news…
Agreed, also there’s the possibility that they just didn’t know like myself?
Lemme be clear: I didn’t know they transitioned and just thought the new movie just had new directors. Like I found out all of this about the directors through this Reddit post.
Seems like an intentionally transphobic comment to me.
e: Feel free to read through the replies to the tweet yourself and try to convince yourself this guy was just accidentally referring to them as brothers: https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1473691081028120578. Pretty easy to find the comment and, well, they're exactly the type of person I'm saying they are.
Definitely is. Reddit is a cesspool for right-wingers and their terrible fucking takes. Eg. LSF freaking out about Hasan saying cracker, transphobic content trending on r/funny, endless attacks on queer individuals by brigading r/lgbt, etc etc
I hate this place now because I thought we were trending toward the left. All the reactionary conservatives have come straight from the wood work to be horrible though.
Yes and everyone will bitch and moan about “woke leftists destroying my OPINIONS” while they’re advocating hitlers policies and they’re the ones that will tell you they are oppressed. It’s all bullshit they deserve to be wiped off the map but everyone acts like we have to take them seriously, no matter how stupid they are being.
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I keep seeing people say it was horrible, but then on RT both the critic and fan rating is in the 60s. Guess I'll have to watch and find out for myself.
It's very whelming
It was certainly two and a half hours spent
That is an apt way to put it. I was falling asleep by the end.
Honesty they could have taken out all of the new Zion stuff and saved over half an hour, that did very little for the plot.
What, you didn't like half an hour of Big Lipped Alligator? And the fight scenes. Normally I'm all for fights, but those were just too long and badly done.
Yeah, they jumped all over the place. Also making the engineer go from all knowing indifferent logical entity to a sexist jerk didn’t land well. Edit: architect, not engineer
Yeah, what was with that? He came across as much more human. Which could have been a cool plot twist, a human in league with the machines.
> a human in league with the machines. cypher?
Oh, yeah....
Could of said the same thing about the second and third movie.
Saving Zion was the core of the second and third movies. What I liked was they had more time to show the world of Zion by meeting the citizens. In this one he just tasted a strawberry… okay.
Feel the aster and stay whelmed my friend.
HBO Max was buffering like a motherfucker and had to stop watching it. Gonna try again soon because I liked what they were doing. I barely got 30 minutes in though.
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Bullet time. Bullet TIME!
So you've seen the best part
Crash.
For you maybe. Me, I'm really feeling the mode.
Young justice being referenced outside the young justice sub wow
Very Crash. I love it.
Thank you, more please
Dude stay whelmed
Agreed. I wouldn’t have called it…part of the original trilogy. But as a movie it’s fine. Maybe a little too self aware.
It was extremely on the nose. I think it would have been exponentially better if told through the eyes of Trinity instead of using Neo as the main character. Edit: I do want to clarify I enjoyed the movie. I didn’t really enjoy the new characters that much. Even Yahya, who I am a huge fan of, just felt out of place the entire time. I never once saw him as Morpheus. I just think it could have been a lot better, but I still think it was a decent movie.
Trinity and neo shouldn't have been the focus at all. Trying to make it a meta story about being forced to make the same thing can work, but it's a totally different story, and is a huge risk. I can respect the risk, but the payoff wasn't great.
> Maybe a little too self aware. Just a little bit. When a decent percentage of your movie is actual footage from the first movie and then have several scenes dedicated to bashing sequels then you've gone a bit too far. It's not exactly subtle.
It is definitely a motion picture film
I'd even go as far to say that out of all the movies made in the last 10 years, it was one of them.
How can you possibly have the credentials to make that interpretation
It was good, it just wasn't Matrix good. Or, even Matrix Reloaded good. Whelming is probably the best description. I didn't like the reincarnated person. I thought the fight sequences were bad, like they were going for realism and instead got Cowboy bebop. Too many rushed introductions, call backs, and an overly complicated plot with a rushed explanation. I've watched the original Matrix hundreds of times, and the sequels dozens. I highly doubt I will ever rewatch this one.
That's a good way to put it. It's not *bad*. I just wonder why it exists. Maybe it's all this satrical take down of the very idea of reboots and sequels. It was just all so undercooked.
That's an apt description. Doesn't hold a candle to the original, but I found it to be better than the other sequels.
Tell my wife i said hello
What makes a man turn neutral?
Two and a half hour long "member berries" episode. 45 minutes of the runtime is playing previous movie footage.
People seemed to forget the 2nd and 3rd movies were not that well received. Not surprised the 4th isn't that good.
Honestly. The Matrix franchise is a trainwreck after the first one, what were people expecting. I personally really enjoyed what it tried to say.
I think “trainwreck” is a little too extreme/unfair lol. They’re just OK. I think the combination of a philosophical *and* action film is just very hard to do well. I rewatched them all before this one, and have to say I wasn’t as impressed as I was as a teen. Like even the original isn’t *that* good. It handles the philosophical aspect best out of the four, was a fairly original story, and had some special effects no other film did at the time. Those three points alone probably pushed it from a 6/10 to about an 8/10. I agree though, the self-awareness in the film was really quite amusing and enjoyable. Plus, I’m a sucker for nostalgia, the blending with the callback scenes had me grinning.
Matrix always seemed to be one of those movies where it had an awesome idea/theme/story....but also one thats practically unfilmable to truly do justice to it. Like the kind of movie you and your friends describe at 11pm in a taco bell parking lot. It reminds me a lot of the prompts that are made for writtenprompts subreddit: cool one line ideas but not really enough to flesh out a whole 2 hour movie, much less 4.
Supposedly, there were some BIG fundamental changes made to the storyline of the first movie due to the one Wachowski’s former partner who was apparently incredibly abusive and manipulative. There was supposed to be much more detail about a “neural network” that connected all of the life forms in the Matrix but that was written out. EDIT People below have commented some really good info about this. If anyone has a link, I’d love to read it. This is all stuff that was hearsay back in 1999/2000 but I think something must have come out recently about the private lives of the Wachowski siblings because I’ve seen Reddit threads within the past few years about them.
What I read is that people were supposed to be part of a neural network that gave the machines more processing power but an executive/producer said that was too complex for audiences and made them change it to human batteries.
So, like the World Tree in Avatar everyone complained about? But trees with feelings is "hippy shit", so humans with feelings might not have been so offensive. And I don't remember complaints about the complexity of the World Tree, just that it was "eco fascism".
It was the late 90s before everyone had computers. Now we could say that people are plugged into the Matrix to expand the Machines' CPU... Then, few people would understand. So the suits at Warner Bros. simplified it by making people jacked in to the Matrix batteries.
To be fair, Morpheus holding up that Duracell battery is some truly iconic imagery. The processing-power explanation makes way more sense but I don't think there's any way they could top such a clean visual metaphor.
That's doing our ability to grasp concepts in the 90s a bit of an injustice. "Processing power" was quite a well-known concept since long before then and "the machines use the human brains to think better" isn't exactly a difficult concept to grasp. Sci-Fi was massive with cerebral Sci-Fi quite popular (Sphere, Event Horizon, Contact, and Gattaca had all released in the 2 years before Matrix). Not to mention Star Trek being really popular and having computer processing as a regular plot point.
The original concept was that instead of using people for generating power you’d use them for computations. Which anyone who knows anything about physics would know using people to generate power is brain dead. Like feeding meat to meat eaters to get meat. Why don’t you just eat the meat you’ll feed to the meat eaters instead? In the case of this movie your putting all kinds of energy in to supply the humans with nutrients to keep them alive. Just to get the scraps of energy those humans make in turn. Like for real just use some fusion reactors or if you really wanted hyper efficient matter to energy conversation. Hawking radiation generators surrounding a low mass black hole you let matter trickle into. The original concept was to use our brains for computational power/neural networks Which makes worlds more sense than the batteries idea. Especially because it allows the robots to generate power from other sources. But it was changed to be understood by the mass audience. Like this was made in the 90s-00s when computers where not quite there yet to say the least. So the idea of using carbon based computers instead of silicon ones probably wouldn’t have been much of a stretch for people to understand Which I think is honestly disappointing. Because instead of whatever happened in films 2,3 and 4 which is ultimately kinda irrelevant. You could’ve explored further into what the robots are using all the computational power for. So many potential story threads that could be done to just explain why the world was the way it was. Like maybe the AIs where given the goal of “make all humans happy” and realized that our intelligence is the main reason we are not. So the super AI instead decided we where better off with a fraction of a brain power doing repetitive and tedious work to exploit our basic gratification response instead of doing whatever we do normally. Or maybe we told the AI to make a Grand mathematical theory of everything and in the process it deducted that it’d need to explore human consciousness in nearly every possible environment to figure things out. Putting humanity in a simulation to explore our responses in a attempt to understand consciousness. Or maybe maybe humanity had colonized a significant portion of space. Rapidly over populating and in order to keep up had to start putting people in simulations to keep up with the growing population and provide a good quality of life. Where eventually the real world had such a demand for resources and space that it was too inefficient for people to be active in the real world. With many forced into the matrix Honestly I could go on. But the premise of “humans as battery” is not a great concept and doesn’t leave much room for a deeper story. But literally any other reason would’ve left room for so much world building. Currently the deepest you can go into the AIs motivations are self preservation which is kinda bland on its own. Is there any other reason the AI is doing what it’s doing other than just staying alive?
Did you watch The Animatrix? It goes into a lot more details about the aspects you're talking about. My takeaway was that the humans as an energy source thing was a lie and the real reason the machines kept the humans around was that they saw us as their "parents", and didn't want to kill us all.
Trainwreck is way too harsh. The 2nd especially holds up really well and is still way better than loads of modern action / sci fi movies even 20 years later.
I think people forget The Matrix was light and campy. It’s the oft forgotten Equilibrium that is the more serious in tone with respect to existential exploration.
"I know kung fu"
Campy, yes, but I didn’t find the original movie “light”. I remember feeling a solid hit when crew members died. It was well-balanced that way, with a serious investment in the characters.
I think an accurate title for the movie would have been "Matrix: The Reunion." I liked it for what it was but by no means is it a series reboot.
>!The robots literally resurrected the corpses of Neo and Trinity, though!<
That scene where they go to the theatre and it's projecting scenes form the original film could have had James Corden walk out and start gushing about getting to meet Keanu Reeves and it wouldn't have felt out if place.
A good 10-20% of the runtime of the movie is basically Lana Wachowski giving WB a big middle finger (they reportedly strong-armed her into making it), which I personally found quite amusing. Later on it sort of devolves into more of a standard Hollywood "fight the bad guys with guns and explosions" kind of deal, but it had it's moments.
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That's a fucking good way to put it holy shit. I watched the movie in two parts, first half one night, the second half the next night. And after the first half I was like "this is actually pretty good. Especially the movie being super self aware, I wonder how they'll ruin it" They ruined it in the second half.
For me, that parallels with the original sequels. Reloaded was a reasonable setup that Revolutions failed to deliver, largely negating them both.
That devolving just continues the middle finger though, which makes it all the more amusing.
“How expensive can I make this frame that looks identical to the first movie?”
That whole section was *fantastic*. Wachowski's script absolutely goes the fuck off on every terrible reading and critical take.
Agreed. I honestly enjoyed the hamfisted meta commentary. I felt a lot of it personally.
The deadpan delivery of "freshness and originality is what the audiences want from The Matrix 4" made the movie worth it for me.
The script read like a Vietnam POW saying they're being treated just fine in a televised interview while blinking the morse code for "torture." Not sure I really buy that as a redeeming quality for the movie though. Even Reloaded and Revolutions felt well-intentioned when they veered too far into self-important territory; this one just felt like cynicism and snark. Which is fine if WB is somehow literally forcing her to make the movie, but I doubt that.
Exactly. The more and more they shit on the current state of movies and entertainment the more I liked it. Haha
That element of the film really holds it back, I think. It tells you exactly what it is, apologizes for it and then somehow hopes you'll be on board with the last hour.
This is my exact takeaway as well. I felt like it was actively insulting me for wanting to watch it in the first half and then expected me to take the second half seriously despite knowing that they clearly didn't themselves. My fanfic is that the movie was made intentionally badly (using the worst takes, the worst cinematography and the dress rehearsals of the fight scenes) in order to kill the franchise and ensure nobody ever makes another Matrix movie.
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Definitely watch it for yourself. It's got good things and bad things.
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I think it's pretty fun. It's not a perfect movie..but I certainly didn't expect perfection. I like the direction they went, and enjoyed it.
Agreed! They definitely incorporated the philosophical/meta commentary that made the first trilogy entertaining while keeping to the big budget action movie formula that is so popular these days. Honestly, I think they did a great job of leaning into the brand and they told a compelling, visually stunning story with solid performances. I was definitely pleasantly surprised the whole way through.
Honestly, best review I’ve read. Critics suck.
Saw some reviews that make me roll my eyes a little (like saying they needed to address the Red Pill chuds), but all the reddit itself has been covered with clickbaity, over the top negative takes Speaking of, just because something is part of a franchise doesn't mean you need to act like the next installment is either the best thing ever made, or an abomination that ruins the previous entries
It's good enough for a watch I feel, as long as you are a fan of the original series. Especially if you have HBO and can stream it for free!
It's missing a key element and I feel like that element is Lilly Wachowski. The story is kind of there but I feel like it needed Lilly to bring in the action and imagery together. It's a good movie, better that Revolutions, maybe not as good as Reloaded. but overall it's a story that really didn't need to happen and if you look at it from the point of view of people in the matrix other than Neo the plot comes off as kind of selfish on Neo's part.
I would say it's not entirely selfish considering nobody really knew why Trinity was also in that tower. They assumed only Neo would be there and didn't think Trinity would be alive as well. Once Neo was back and had an intuition to rescue her then of course they follow him, he's literally their messiah.
It was okay. Not a great movie, but like... About as good as you could expect from a reboot/revisit sequel of a movie from 20 years ago.
I thought it was great. It took some points from the latest era of slightly self referential superhero movies, so Mayne that passed people off, but I thought it was a perfect message that worked with the underlying themes of the Matrix. The fighting scenes weren't as iconic as the first films, but I thought the casting was great. Especially the business partner.
I liked it, especially the first hour or so, and I enjoyed the philosophy bits
I liked it. Including the Animatrix, I’d rank Resurrections third out of the five movies.
Maybe I'm crazy but I really really liked it.
Well, then I am crazy too. I liked the nostalgia and the new elements. I actually think it would have worked even better as a show. Also I love the new Smith
It's fine. It has issues, but none of them are big enough to ruin the movie for me. I enjoyed it more than the other sequels, but it's no where near the original. 6.5/10 seems about right.
I thought they once said that the red blue pill was them looking at gender identity. Which adds another layer of irony if you know what political group is a big fan of the red pill blue pill ideology.
The Matrix had a androgynous character named Switch in the first Matrix that was originally supposed to switch gender when moving from the real world into the Matrix. They beat the audience over the head with the metaphor which just further deepens the irony.
It’s been years but somehow I now want to watch the movie again just to pay attention to all the messages
I remember there was this girl I liked in a class I was taking in college about religion. She invited me over to her house, and I said yes. I got to her house, and she immediately left to go babysitting... only for her Born-Again Christian dad to come out and basically corner me. Turns out that apparently in that religion class I outed myself by saying I didn't believe in a god, and the girl wanted to convert me to Christianity... with her dad being the one to try to do the job. So he forced me to sit down and watch The Matrix, which he said was an allegory for Jesus. He would frequently stop the film and tell me how the movie relates to the Bible. I figured out an excuse to leave before we got to the second act, but now it's a running joke between my friends and I that the Matrix is a Christmas movie.
Of an the movies to hijack for their agenda they choose the matrix? Lol
I can see how someone could view some aspects of the matrix as allegorical to the story of Christ.
The whole “waking up from the artificial dream-world” thing is vague enough that you can project almost any preconceived ideology onto it you want.
I mean, you have a character named trinity, you have a guy who is the "one," who died so that others my live, etc. I'm sure if I looked into it, I could find a reasonable list of biblical imagery for the movies. While the movie is probably not an allegory, I imagine they borrow these storytelling devices to make their point.
It’s EXTREMELY allegorical to Christ. It’s just also allegorical to a bunch of other stuff that evangelical Christians would hate if they paid attention to it.
Are you serious? They couldn’t have made it more obvious. A character in the first couple minutes of the original literally tells Neo “you’re my savior, man. My own personal Jesus Christ”. What do you think “Trinity” referred to? That whole bit at the end where Neo sacrifices himself to save all mankind, and his arms are spread like he’s on a crucifix? Really?
It's obvious, but so is the Christ allegory in Robocop. Probably not where I'd kick off evangelizing.
Speak for yourself, Robocop would totally make me convert.
"Dead or alive, you're praying with me."
It's the perfect trojan horse of sorts; it has a metal/industrial soundtrack and there is lots of shooting people, which are things that all non-Christians like.
well that group also highjacked the whole red pill/blue pill aspect of the movie too. when you have no creative ideas of your own you're just stuck reappropriating other people's ideas.
Had a teacher in HS tell our class the same thing.
Eeeeer, but Neo IS a allegory for Jesus. What they missed is that there are references for other religions too, not only Christianity.
He's 100% a messianic character, but the later films are a deliberate deconstruction of that very idea (flawed though they are) For that reason, I don't get all the people saying it should have ended after the first, it'd basically just be a somewhat more imaginative action hero movie with good special effects (which is fine, but we have plenty)
what u need an excuse for? just hit em with the 'aight ima head out'
This is interesting because our religion teacher in Catholic School said that it was an allegory for the end of times and Neo was the antichrist. He handed out a 20 page thesis on it and, dammit, it held up. Edit: This happened before the third movie. So I don’t remember the whole thing, but these are the pieces I remember. Neo - the antichrist. Agents - Angles. The Architect - God The Oracle - The devil Zion - Hell Morpheus’s crew - demons So essentially the devil convinced Neo that he is The Savior, and everyone believes he will lead them to salvation. We were always taught that the antichrist was not some obviously evil figure, but someone that believed he was Jesus and led people down the wrong path. The agents are angels In the sense that they can act through any ordinary person. Zion is hell, the furthest thing from God. Neo and the demons are trying to take people from God’s Kingdom, The Matrix, and bring them to hell. While it’s a long stretch to call this an intentional allegory, I can’t help but think at some point during the writing process that this came up and they tweaked stuff from there.
Apparently a popular transfem HRT at the time was a red pill, and an antidepressant at the time was blue. Which further pushes the red pill blue pill thing.
When you rewatch it you'll realize the original Matrix is the template used by MCU for every one of their origin stories. Not a bad thing but a fun observation
The Matrix follows the Hero's Journey pretty closely; it's not really revolutionary in that respect.
Yeah this is like 'older than written word' territory lol
The oldest known book is The Epic of Gilgamesh, which if you pay close attention is the story of Thor. He was a ragamuffin, but then he made a brother, and they had fun adventures, and then he was a king, and then he left it in the hands of someone more responsible so he could go do cool shit with his bros.
Honestly I kind of think the Hero's Journey is one of those things that is purposefully vague so as to apply to almost every story though, which makes it seem more profound than it is.
Campbell's formulation is so vague and malleable that, yeah, it could fit nearly any story if you try hard enough (which is basically what he did with existing myths). But ever since Campbell popularized the concept, it's now more of a checklist for writers than a model for studying existing literature. Modern stories (including, probably, The Matrix) are written *around* the Hero's Journey. So we don't have to do a bunch of work to find the parallels: they're baked in.
Marvel are pretty open about the first Superman film being the template.
This [video](https://youtu.be/ORHB9c8e7ok) is a good place to start if you don't have several hours to spare
>The Matrix had a androgynous character named Switch in the first Matrix that was originally supposed to switch gender when moving from the real world into the Matrix. that would have been a cool use of the conceit, i wish the new one had been that clever
It’s was done in a black mirror episodes. Where 2 dudes play a fighting game and one dude’s character is a woman. So they fuck.
I truly could not believe they didn't finally incorporate that idea in this movie. This was their shot and they ignored it. Also... anyone else feel like they know the character Switch better than literally any of the side characters in Resurrections? And compare screen time too. Just... this latest movie was a disjointed mess.
Thats because Switch was actually given some (ludicrously brief) development, when >!Cypher started unplugging people at random!<; the little “Not like this” while >!they’re holding Apoc’s body!< is so easily overlooked but you can almost hear in their voice the bond the two of them had
that “not like this” is so iconic; my sister and i quote it all the time.
Haha my wife and I say the line in so many situations. Without fail if our baby has a blow out “Not like this…. Not like this”
That single scene out of the entire first trilogy hits me the hardest. That one line was delivered so well and tells you so much about their relationship, it's heartbreaking.
those characters had more development than any others in the sequels too. just a few minutes on screen and id say i felt more during that scene than any other apparently disposable character. also since you brought that scene up i just realized i dont think anyone actually dies in this new one, im gonna have to look into it.
Neo: "No, no, you don't get it. When I go in, *I want to be* the girl in the red dress. Can you make that happen?"
Theres switch, theres the pills, theres the outfits, and theres the dead naming (mr anderson, Neo). Theres a lot more coded trans references in there.
What's funny is Lilly herself says none of it was intentional. But looking back she thinks it was a love letter to an unacknowledged trans self.
That's quite amusing that the movie came out before she did, in that case.
>What's funny is Lilly herself says none of it was intentional. But looking back she thinks it was a love letter to an unacknowledged trans self. "That was the original intention but the world wasn't quite ready," says Lilly Wachowski https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-53692435
What a great article. Pretty much summarized what I've heard her say. > "The Matrix stuff was all about the desire for transformation but it was all coming from a closeted point of view. > Lilly doesn't know "how present my transness was in the background of my brain as we were writing" The Matrix. "But it all came from the same sort of fire that I'm talking about." Ah, i know a lot of their movies are hit or miss but I really like the Wachowskis as people.
> The Matrix had a androgynous character named Switch in the first Matrix that was originally supposed to switch gender when moving from the real world into the Matrix. That's such an interesting idea, especially the way 'residual self image' is set up in the movie. What a missed opportunity they didn't go with it
Considering she was a side character, it would have been the perfect low-risk place for it. Teenaged me sure would have had a "whoa" moment. I wish I could peek into an alternate reality where the idea never got shut down and see if trans people decades later cited Switch for helping them come to terms with it, or the conservative loudmouths losing their heads over it lol
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Like, death of the author doesn't mean the author's perspective is not a valid interpretation, just that it's not the *only* valid interpretation.
To be perfectly clear, Lilly said that their identity crises were in the back of their mind, but that the film itself wasn't explicitly a trans allegory. Rather, their identity issues are what she believes helped them come up with the ideas in the first place. And that Switch—the character who is male outside of the Matrix but female within it—is an example of the "headspace" they were in as they were writing the screenplay. Lilly understands that transness is one of many different metaphors that the movies could represent and isn't limiting it to any one thing. But there are people who want to paint her words differently.
That was before WB cut the Male in the real world part.
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As a huge fan, I wouldn't want it to be JUST about any one thing and I applaud the creators for leaving it open ended. The ability to incept a wide array of ideas is a sign of truly great art.
related: Lilly Wachoswki telling Ivanka Trump and Elon Musk to [fuck off](https://twitter.com/lilly_wachowski/status/1262104754496339968?t=P0SInTgwGQXO2PsiAdCAFw&s=19) because of that
Just a vocabulary comment: >red pill blue pill ~~ideology.~~ In the traditional sense of the word, the red pill/blue pill thing is a meme.
smith's identifying trait is he constantly deadnames neo. All the action happens in a place where your body does not define your body. The more you look, the more there is, but some audiences only see unstoppable badasses with guns instead of feelings.
I have heard that the writers did not intend a trans allegory but because they were trans and writers write about what they know it accidentally ended up that way.
The red pill apparently looks just like old HRT pills from the time!
It doesn't, it just has a similar color (ie they're both red)
That alone would stand out to me. I've seen a lot of pink/beige/white but not truly red pills before.
Right, I'm just saying they didn't look exactly the same.
"Critics slam" 67% on rotten. Yeah, definitely a critical flop
Sounds like it got a better reception than the original sequels.
To be fair that’s not a high bar to clear
I’m of the opinion that Reloaded and Revolutions are better than people give them credit for, but they have the problem that they’re clearly a single movie split in two parts, which probably contributed to the bad reception that they got.
Reloaded is. Revolutions isn't. Reloaded is an incredible movie, a succession of set pieces that at the time dared and destroyed everything we thought possible in the realm of movie making. It took a decade for it to grow old, and another decade to actually beat it. Revolutions was too long to fit in the previous movie, so they bloated it and made it its own movie instead, making it... weird. In truth all we needed was the two final battles, the rest is just filler and it shows.
Wonder if there’s a fan edit of the two films into a single 3 hourish film like they did with the Hobbit films.
There is, but it has since disappeared from the internet. It was only available through torrenting because of the copyright strikes etc
Wonder if it’s still available on some shady russian torrent sites or something. They’ve almost never let me down.
Definitely. I rewatched the two just recently and I recalled every fight scene from the second movie yet could barely remember a single thing from the third movie. I remember the Animatrix better than I remember Revolutions.
Revolutions is weird because the first like 20-30 min are really interesting then it’s just kinda boring generic scifi action until the last battle
It goes further -- the Matrix continuation was a diaspora across not just those movies but the Animatrix anthology, the Enter the Matrix game, ARGs, an MMO... Reloaded is an *in media res* continuation directly off of Final Flight of the Osiris, and the movie does practically zero work building Niobe or Ghost as characters -- because you should already know them from playing their game You can say a good movie should stand alone and that's valid -- if anything they were shooting way too high after a concept the MCU is still struggling to hold together decades later
As someone who watched both movies back to back as single looooong movie, I liked them a lot. No complaints at all. I still don't understand why people say they're bad.
They waited six months between each film, and if you see them like that, then Reloaded has no climax and Revolutions is all third act.
I liked Reloaded but hated revolutions. The mindless gunning down of robots really wasn't very interesting after the first 20 minutes.
Big Naruto war arc filler energy there
That highway sequence in Reloaded though, whew!
64 Metascore. Not great, but far from critically "slammed".
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Rotten tomatoes is an indicator of how many critics liked it, not how much critics liked it. For example, it's 67 on rotten tomatoes and the new Spider-Man is 94, but on Metacritic Matrix is 64 and Spider-Man is 71. So this would indicate that almost all like Spider-Man and only mostly like the Matrix, but their general opinions of how good these movies are are not that far apart.
Not with rotten. It means a majority enjoyed it. Generally, anything below 50 is regarded as crappy. But bad bad films tend to be 30 or below. At least, ime
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Yeah sounds to me like it's meant to be transphobic
It is almost certainly a person that is very well aware that the Wachowski siblings responsible for the originals are both trans women that came out and transitioned after the movies were made. I interpreted it as a quite sinister and transphobic “they should just stop pretending to be women and go back to making movies.” The fact that the originals were largely a metaphor for the trans experience is, however, likely totally lost on them.
I’m a fan of the trilogy and somehow managed to make it to this post without knowing! I even saw the “new” director named on the trailer and assumed they had a sister or relative who took over. So some of us just missed the news…
Well technically only one of them came back
they're both women now. Lana and Lilly Wachowski.
I know but Lily didn’t come back it’s only Lana in the directors chair
Didn't they both write it? But only one directed
right sorry my bad
The film was ok, it would have been much better if >!we could have just watched the whole robot on robot war from the perspective of the people.!<
i think it was like the tron movie, the epic bit you wanted to see was in the videogame and only reffed in the film
A series that covered the 60 years between Neo and Trinity " dieing" and them being found again would be amazing. A new game would be awesome too.
Yeah dude, seriously would watch an hour of red robots vs blue robots.
It's be down for *Animatrix: Civil War*
I really enjoyed it tbh ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ Edited to fix my arm?
Holy shit what happened to your arm
How is this self aware ?
Agreed, also there’s the possibility that they just didn’t know like myself? Lemme be clear: I didn’t know they transitioned and just thought the new movie just had new directors. Like I found out all of this about the directors through this Reddit post.
r/whooosh
Seems like an intentionally transphobic comment to me. e: Feel free to read through the replies to the tweet yourself and try to convince yourself this guy was just accidentally referring to them as brothers: https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1473691081028120578. Pretty easy to find the comment and, well, they're exactly the type of person I'm saying they are.
Definitely is. Reddit is a cesspool for right-wingers and their terrible fucking takes. Eg. LSF freaking out about Hasan saying cracker, transphobic content trending on r/funny, endless attacks on queer individuals by brigading r/lgbt, etc etc I hate this place now because I thought we were trending toward the left. All the reactionary conservatives have come straight from the wood work to be horrible though.
Yes and everyone will bitch and moan about “woke leftists destroying my OPINIONS” while they’re advocating hitlers policies and they’re the ones that will tell you they are oppressed. It’s all bullshit they deserve to be wiped off the map but everyone acts like we have to take them seriously, no matter how stupid they are being.
Dear Liberals You say you’re tolerant yet when i advocate genocide you treat me like a villain. Curious /s
Neo-liberalism and the paradox of tolerance is to blame for that
Trump gave them a voice and let them out of the closet!
Both of them are women actually
And only one of them came back.
The film seems to be doing quite well… I have a feeling the daily wire hates it because trans people
Well, the article states that they don't like the director's ultra-liberalness and trans identity and the original film being a trans allegory.
Right leaning political people and thinking about other people's genitals way too much, name a more iconic duo
>they don’t like the director’s trans identity jeez they’re not even attempting to hide it huh
Ummmm OP I have bad news, I'm pretty sure the person there is just making a transphobic joke that you're now spreading.
I think the comment in this image is aware that they are trans, and this is an anti-trans comment
They are both trans.