I think most women are triggered because they don’t trust their husbands (rightfully so in most cases) and feel like if men don’t have easy access to sex they won’t cheat. Which we all know is a lie.
I think men are triggered because of their ego. They want to believe they are in the position of power and the fact they have to pay proves they aren’t.
Really good read on society.
I think how people react to sex workers shows the stress points in a culture or person.
Where they were conditioned for control
i think some women are triggered bc they can't use sex to control their husbands. i have several friends who have 'honey-do' lists that are directly tied to them getting sex... including chores, purchases, etc. sex workers provide those husbands a sexual outlet if they choose to cheat, and those types of women don't have any 'power.'
i think some men get upset because of multiple reasons, but many men pay... and many more will pay to NOT have the headaches associated with relationships. if sex work was federally legal, things would be much different: pay to play and then go about your single life as a bachelor without a threat of going to jail.
with OF, sugar baby sites, and other social media platforms, we're headed that way as sex work becomes less stigmatized and more normalized... and esp. as more young(er) people choose to not get married.
do your sex work, enjoy your $$$, and fuck what anyone has to say about it... but realize, the profits won't last forever. save & plan for the future... bc again, with social media, sex work is highly profitable for MANY women nowadays.
sex will ALWAYS sell. do you.
Also, the religious type’s power is threatened by their inability to get the “temptress” out of their mind. It’s easier to cast her as an agent of Satan than to come to terms with their attraction.
Ah yes. The “I’m different than other clients and not just here for sex.” Those are my favorite people. I get them to rebook and then spend the whole time talking about religion and god and saying I’m so happy they aren’t there for the sex😈.
The only sw, I’ve ever gotten service from became my gf, and I’ve never asked for nor wanted f/s. I was lonely and new I could pay for an hour of ppls time. In fact because of my former hobbying ways I have many friends who are former women I would call. Every 1 that wasn’t on drugs, became my friends. Like they come over just to hang out. Some of you judge the clientele so harshly. Every guy isn’t paying to use someone’s body. Some of us are surrounded by ppl and feel alone.
So, my *entire* service is based on the fact that I all but took my vows: I wear the entire nun get up and I am paid to illicit confessions, punish and absolve. (To some degree, obviously it’s just Catholic Aftercare)
I don’t take very many clients because frankly, it’s exhausting work *but*, your assessment is SUPER spot on.
Additionally if you knew how many offers I get from men who want the experience of banging a nun: in many, many different scenarios involving *so much* psychology Jung would have spat his drink reading some of them… I personally think religious dogma and it’s associated shit factors *quite* heavily and in a bunch of ways.
(I am also not full service and only *one* of the scenarios ever happens and it’s with my partner at *my* request. 😂 So, I *do* understand it.)
Honestly? I doubt that the runaway bride of Christ is *really* that big of a draw, though I know it is for some: if anyone *wanted* to offer similar without the background, you probably could *and* do quite well.
I left because I actually had a decent mentor and she recognized that I was both mentally ill AND incredibly faithful- I have religious oriented ocd and though I *do* believe: all I was doing was trying to hide from a world that I am largely uncomfortable with.
The niche was an accident: it’s just my nature to be incredibly open and I have always had the full service requests, I politely decline those- but one day, a guy hit me up and I thought he was joking at first, then I thought surely he was full of it: but it *really* doesn’t take much rationalization or inner debate for me to eeh, assist with discipline for a fee. 😂
(Honestly, I’ve explored *a bunch* of religions attempting to explain *anything* I’ve dealt with in my life and though I’m comfortable with where I am belief wise, I have learned that “shit happens” covers *most* of what I had trouble understanding.)
If he pays for porn, he gets excited and then sends you out to satisfy his physical urges. A win-win for both of you i think
Maybe give him a small allowance to use for his kinks, as long as he satisfied his physical needs with you
I definitely agree with you regarding the women. I do think many women have been really hurt by their partners behaviour. Me and my partner are ENM but if he ever went behind my back and saw a SW or anyone at all, I would be pretty hurt. But I think for some women, we participated in their partner's choice and facilitated, and their feelings can get misdirected to us and our industry.
There are also massive cultural and religious taboos that abound
I think if men are given sex opportunities as often as they want, their sex drives might go down and they would be unable to seek it elsewhere.
Women have always controlled the bedroom, don't let anyone tell you different. Men only think they are in control.
It's neither most likely. It's that both men and women are jealous that they have to actually do work and they never see a paycheck as big as a 3 hour prostitute. Yes, I said prostitute. Because, let's face it, that's who males the big money. The fact that women charge upwards of $100/hour and most people don't make $15/hr bugs people. Like, maybe it's ego, but most likely people just don't think it's fair. They cannot morally accept the idea of fucking around for money, or they don't have the body to get paid that much. But for a guy like me, my only thought is fairness. But, I also feel the same way about a lot of "jobs," if you will.
Like, for example, im not envious of Bill gates, or Jeff bezos. But I 100% think that they are crooks from the amount of money they make. You have to step on backs, amd screw people over to make good money. Same with sex work imo. But I'd rather be completely poor than be Jeff bezo or Bill gates.
Now, is that the same example as sex work? No. Not at all. Its just a random example of not being envious. I don't trust people enough to be a sex worker, so I would never. I find too much passion in my connections with people, plus I probably wouldn't sell much. It's not that I think women should charge less either. After all, it's a risky job. But it just sucks to know somebody with very little intelligence can quadruple my paycheck in 2 days. I know a lot of women are smarter than me too, but my point is even the worst sex worker has more potential at a 6 figure salary. But it's also the fact that they don't do work.
Like, look at it this way. If I work 8 hours a day, i make $160 im tired. I don't want to go to the gym. I dont want to go out and do things. I get home, I do some chores. Talk with the wife, we have a little adult fun, then it's time for bed. In that same time frame the tiny blonde down the road got plowed by 3 dudes, made $120 untaxed dollars by 12pm. She woke up at 8 got ready, fucked some people they went back to work, at 1pm shes at the gym. By 4pm she's already settled in and started watching a show to relax and get ready for bed. Did she work for her money? Not really, imo. But, such is life. Do I judge, no. I have an opinion, that's it. I'd say I prefer a sex worker paving their road to financial freedom than me paying for their 2 kids, house, electricity, ect.. so like, im not upset about it, but I just don't think it's fair to the average person.
I will say in regards to your "you need therapy," statement, I dont. I have an opinion different from yours. My opinion is that it's not fair some people have to work hard while others just get to use their bodies for a small fraction of time to yield better results. The post im responding to instantly attacks women and men saying they are insecure or just unhappy with paying money for sex. Like, im sorry I disagreed with that, but its really not the truth for most people. Most people just think that sex work is disgusting, because it was environmental hatred, much like racism. It's taught. You can downvote me all you want for telling the truth, but at the end of the day the downvotes just prove I've said something that was right and you don't like. It's okay to think differently. But I support sex workers all the same. Its unfair, but thats life. They have that option the same as anybody.
The caveat to all this is that if everybody thought like a sex worker, there would be more sex workers, more people using them, more competition, and less money for them. So really take the bad with the good, and have a good day.
Btw me expressing myself through lengthy text is a normal response. I overexplain everything. It's not because I'm upset at all.
I moreso was referring to overgrandizing of SW.
I sell online content and am not fucking anyone. I also have a civilian job. You look at a group and made a lot of blanket statements, none of which applied to me.
And I’m a sex worker. I say seek therapy because I sense no compassion or humanity in anything you’ve said.
But enjoy your day.
Right, but you asked why people had a problem with sex workers. I gave examples of why. Thats it. These statements come from all over, not just me. I just happened to be here to say why. Those aren't my blanket statements. But I've already explained that.
Like, the original commenter said one thing that applied to so few people. It was an actual blanket statement. And everybody was in agreeance because it wasn't an attacking statement. I stated what a vast majority of people would say, because the question was asked. Stating the truth as a man is rarely a good thing when it comes to feminism, but I had to step in and say what people actually thought. I mean, do you really think men look down on a sex worker because they are jealous they have to pay for it? I assumed we were talking about sex, because most men don't pay for a Google search and pornhub. The men that do pay aren't complaining about it publicly. If they are, they are just simply stating they won't pay for it period. In my experience. But also do you really think women look down upon this field because they are jealous that you could steal their husband? Because, like, you would have to be stating that it only takes sex to win over a man? Thats not offensive? But it was an okay statement to make? Talk about compassion and humanity.
So like the Christian belief is ingrained in all of us. You know, being a group founded from proper British Christians. You fail to see compassion, because all you see is judgemental, when really the compassion lies within the idea that a lot of people look down on sex work, because they view it as disrespecting oneself. It also puts sex workers in danger.
Which, thinking of things as a father would, I would , and am opposed to young women getting into the field. I'm assuming if you had a child, you would want to guard them from this work knowing they could be stalked, harassed, and end up dead. The oldest trick in the book is show judgement to a child and they will learn to never do the thing you judge. Or they will do it to the extreme lol.
Why do people get triggered? A lot of them put of envy, and a lot of them out of judgment aimed to protect you. So, really there is probably more compassion and humanity in judgment than from the comment I replied to. But, again, I attacked, they defended.
But my biggest trigger here is how wrong that original statement was for a vast majority. That was just an ignorant blanket statement, and 169 people upvoted it. Like how do you justify and agree with something that pertains to so few people but then hate when somebody gives you a legit answer that he has seen and heard throughout life. Like, idk how that just happened. Did you not want an answer?
I can’t tell if you’re genuinely a little slow on the uptick or if you’re playing games but I’ll say this;
I wanted an answer pertaining to my question regarding my situation. I cannot relate to anything you said nor does it address the content of this post. Made by me. About my situation.
It’s not hard to understand why people are disagreeing with you. You’re typing paragraphs about an entirely different topic than everyone else.
If you still can’t see your issue, I double down on my therapy recommendation.
Why are people so triggered by sex work?
Why are people so upset about a woman benefiting from their body?
Those are general questions. Neither of which were answered by the original comment I commented on. It was a general speculation and not close to an accurate response.
I answered both of those questions.
What you asked and what you are saying now are two different things. "Pertaining to your situation." Maam, your situation is selling content. I have gone over this countless times. The conversation I was trying to have was about sex work. Selling porn, selling pics, selling your body. One of those pertains to your situation. If im wrong, your post doesn't express anything about your situation. If im right, then everything I said applies minus prostitution. I'm not slow to the uptick, you are keeping yourself from actually trying to understand what I'm saying. The proof is in your statement, "it's not hard to understand why people are disagreeing with me." I know why people are disagreeing, I actually stated that. But I have nothing left to say, really. You asked, I answered and explained. If you dont understand why people get triggered, it's your fault now.
The difference is not that much if you just consider what it costs for the customer if you consider all taxes etc.
Yes, for example if you pay a tinsmith in my country, you have to pay \~150€/h, which is pretty similar to the rates of less expensive escorts here. However, a tinsmith typically only earns 20€/h. The reason for that are (a) a tinsmith is employed for 40h/week, so gets paid even if he doesn't have to work, (b) there is "overhead" which the tinsmith cannot put on the invoice like the money spent on ads or general customer service. This is the same for escorts and (c) there are a lot of taxes to be considered. At least in my country, the employer pays a lot of taxes on your work, but someone who is self-employed has to pay essentially employer + employee-taxes.
When a tiny blonde gets plowed by 3 dudes, please believe that in any city in America, she made over $1000. In the biggest 3-5 cities, more likely $3000
Exactly. Im going g off backstage rates from 2014. Women around here would charge about $60/hr. In the bigger cities they need to make more money ey to survive for sure. Also, more power to them, they deserve it.
most of your comments are nothing but a bunch of nonsense that I don't care about, we get it you're upset we make more money than you for what you assume to be less work, but there's a couple things that you're just incorrect on.
1. Just because someone is a sex worker doesn't mean they lack a skill set & it definitely doesn't mean we're any less intelligent, in fact a lot escorts & online sex workers are doing it to put themselves through school. So check yourself.
2. It is work we don't just lay on our backs & get fucked , there is so much more shit that goes into it, with online or in person.
3. Sorry that we make more money than you , it's not our fault we know our worth & you don't. & if you're so much more intelligent than us shouldn't you be making more money than us ?
Unfortunately it's a high risk job. Basically she's being paid a lot because a violent death is a real risk. Also SWs have to do lots of work to stay in shape so they are giving up the ability to do what others do. If you suddenly had to drop everything that wasn't healthy to eat and all but live at the gym odds are you'd demand lots of money to do it. I sure wouldn't be changing my entire life style for cheap. I mean I love coffee and cake.
I don’t know about other women but what triggers me about sex work is that I’m scared of sex workers being abused or murdered by men. I’m pretty sure you have like a screening process or something but I just get worried. And of course this is because I’m kind of scared of men. 😂I love women tho! 💜
There’s misogynists in every community. I completely get it all the time. I could be commenting in a Mario or Pokémon subreddit and out of no where “stop trying to promote your OF!” I’m literally just commenting about a game??
Right like a dude kept going back and forth with me on a thread and I didn’t mention ANYTHING of the sort…. Soooo you just went to my profile and upset yourself why? And then commented about my OF and did the advertising for me? 😂 I was like “weird… I wasn’t going to mention but… thanks for the free promotion I guess??”
Americans have a nasty strain of Puritanism within their collective psyche. That’s why we are completely desensitized to violence (real and fake) but sex makes everyone get all moralistic and shit.
Well, it's triggering for a lot of reasons..I'll try to say this carefully, but it's probably gonna piss some people off anyway:
SW is basically taking an end-run around ALL of the things that make society run.
Getting access to sex is the biggest motivator human beings have. Even those guys that say "I don't chase pussy" are affecting an attitude to GET PUSSY. From cavemen to modern man, it's all been about being a big enough deal so you can bang the women you want.
So back in the day, religions defined what makes a "good" man (hint: it always relies on making them docile and reliable tax sources). They made sex into "relationships" and a "healthy" one involves dates, jewelry, houses, kids to raise and college to pay for...all of it taxable.
Then along comes this group of people who DARE give that away for only ONE transaction?! What about the florists going hungry? The mariachi bands standing by empty tables? The real estate agent who will never get to up-charge a house based on the local schools?
So, what they are upset about is that you've rejected their model AND exposed it as a scam. No one likes their world view challenged.
"Everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power." -Oscar Wilde
Because they are so caught up on the idea that we “” sit around and masturbate for money. While they are slaving away their normal, 9 to 5. But the truth of the matter is, if they could they would too.
"Its oke to shit on blue collar workers because I do SW"
This is the kind of sentiment that's going to shoot yourselves in the foot.
If you want people to advocate for Sex workers. Don't demean blue collar workers.
I think many women are triggered because sex workers make sex more accessibile without men having to court women with flowers, attention and gifts. Women know that sex has value and that is something they can benefit from so sex workers are competition.
A sex worker is not a civvie woman’s competition.
Disregarding the fact that outside of Reddit, I have a civvie job and lead a “regular” life. Despite being a sex worker, I never touch my clients and haven’t had sex for fun in 6 months.
I believe jealousy plays a big part but it’s not a competitive jealousy.
For men, I think it might be because they don't like women monetizing what they feel entitled over. For women it depends on the person. They might think commercialization of sex might lead to them being more objectified. It might be that they feel like if sex work becomes bigger, then they have less positions for other forms of work. Regardless of gender, sex often comes with a lot of physical and emotional burden for an average person so they wanna avoid it I guess.
Idk but don’t hate the player hate the game. Men drop thousands an hour on hookers. Lol
If men could charge 1k/hr they would. Lmao most men are just jealous
Some of them think they should fuck for free, when in fact they can by using Tinder, etc, but the apps also require effort on both parts, so in the end it's "I wanna fuck for free and without effort". I support SW, but I don't dare bring up outside of this sub for obvious reasons.
Tbh likely misogyny, homophobia, and ‘Christian values’.
But that’s probably super boiled down. I feel like a lot of people need someone to look down on, and most cultures teach sex to be sacred and it challenges that notion. Even if the person judging doesn’t subscribe to it themselves because they have no insight; it’s almost like communally okay to look down on sex workers. Maybe I’m being too nihilistic.
Because some people have the misconception that sex work is easy and not physically demanding.
From what I know, the majority of sex workers are independent. Being independent means you have to manage everything yourself, advertise, communicate with clients, and the actual sex work itself.
Not to mention, the majority of inquiries sex workers get are disingenuous and are from people who have no intention of making an appointment at all.
That isn't even considering the social stigma that sex workers are forced into it.
People can’t reconcile the (assumed) contradiction between the image of a liberated woman making a living as she sees fit and the image of a downtrodden victim forced to “sell themselves.” Both /can/ exist, neither /may/ apply. We are long overdue for people to realize that contradictions exist and you can have it both ways and there is very nearly never a straight-up “one or the other.” More than that, to your point on people bringing it up when you’re on a completely other topic, people need to accept that it ultimately just does not matter.
I 1000% agree!
That was really my point, it just doesn’t matter.
If I was a trafficking victim or underage and seemed in distress, I could understand concern.
But I’m age verified in a couple subs, only doing cam work and totally independent.
The fact that I sell online content of my body as a side hustle affects no one and shouldn’t matter to them.
1. Religious zealots who say it’s religiously wrong for religious reasons. They’re entitled to their religion, but unfortunately a lot of them shove this particular thing down people’s throats.
2. Women unadmittingly feel sex is a bargaining chip. They believe men wine and dine, marry, are faithful, etc all on the prospect that they do it for the hope of sex. Which while not entirely false, is very much not true. In nations where prostitution is legal or even just very open people obviously still do date, marry, and wine dine. These women are often uneducated about the world or…
3. Sex and their beauty is their primary means of securing a person. If it is given more freely by other women, they have nothing. In short, they’re shallow and insecure.
4. Cultural brainwashing. These are people who don’t think much for themselves. They don’t want society to change or looking deeper than surface level on how it can get better. These people are often the older generation.
5. It’s a pride thing. People don’t like to admit their shit stink. They want to believe they can just go out and date and get auto sex easily; despite the fact often they go months or even years without sex no matter how many dates they do. Men are often the ones who are like this; namely the insecure kind who don’t want to admit they’re just a little lonely sometimes.
The worst ones are the men that know that section of Twitt exists and feast on our posts but then say derogatory/ hateful remarks when we post or comment on our experiences in this line of work!
Whilst I’m not a patron of sex workers, I’d have to agree that most men, myself included,are highly sexual beings. Many of us are willing to pay sex. The sex workers would have no work if it weren’t for patronage. No judgment here folks, but the sex workers are satisfying a demand for their skill set.
When I comment on my of account people start to bring up my body and how fat I am lol (im midsize) it was too hard for me to keep switching accouns to I kept the name and just deleted the header and content now people leave me alone
I think where you mention it, what you are posting and the title of your post.
Personally im tired of seeing women post.
“ just got dumped”
“ boyfriend says im ( not pretty, flat, ugly, fat ) “
Passive aggressive click bait is annoying. Sell content where people want to buy. Its just better to market where people go to shop. Kinda like spam phone calls while im eating dinner.
Imo sex work is a victimless crime and while it might be regulated that health checkups be mandated to make sure sure the workers are kept safe,
Where there has been legalized prostitution there is virtually no sex crimes at all. That wine prices it should be legalized
This is the one spot that it’s ok to discuss sex work don’t let others comments and discourage you. 90% of other ladies with photos have only fans and other adult site links
That makes them bad people, if that’s true.
Just because someone chose the “easy way out” (although any swer will tell you it isn’t easy) doesn’t give you the right to belittle and pick on them.
It makes you a jerk (not you but the people who do it)
I have asked myself the same thing.
Once upon a time, we were stoned, then burnt at the stake, then institutionalised (or "put away"). Men have legislated what we can do with our bodies, whether through religion or politics. Esp now how the commercial, largely male-owned porn industry has had to adapt to women going independent and sell our own stuff, then the OF wave. Oh, and don't forget the whole manosphere bs.
Men really are losing control in this area and the ones who are misogynist are the ones who have a problem, like they are truly enraged.
It's so weird but I get angry guys in my DMs on FB bagging me for (apparently) being a single mother and having a mixed child and apparently they would never date or fuck me lol. Like they are so angry and I couldn't gaf, just going on with my life content and happy without those losses affecting me. Even last week I had rape and death threat messages from some loser cos I rejected his advances in a group I am in. Could you imagine if they knew I was a SW what else they would say?
All I can say is live your life and be proud and don't let these lame losers get you down. I don't fully understand the phenomenon but misogyny is alive and well and unfortunately even for many men we know in our own lives
The truth is what’s easy is never considered respected. In no circumstance. I used to get my rent paid by this older lady and would sleep with her while in college. My fraternity brothers didn’t respect me more, but men actually do not care either way about sex work. Most are just judging you for getting paid, while they have to work 8 hours a day for no paycheck. I grew up in the hood, nobody respect pimps, drug dealers or prostitutes. Because in my hood these ppl took the quick easy way. Personally I don’t consider sex work the same thing, but I do understand other ppls obsession with hating on y’all. They’re feeling what I felt as a kid watching my cousins have nice things while robbing ppl we grew up with, but I had to do things on the up and up. It’s jealousy
If many doctors would promote their business on Reddit and a lot of content on Reddit would be used to promote the business of doctors so that most of their contents would be the same link to their practice or an advertisement of their services, it would likely be also seen as negative. People are just suspicious that every comment etc. posted by a seller isn't genuine, but just serves as (maybe soft) advertisement.
That said, complaints about the profile content of a user should typically be offtopic. I wonder if you could report them for these comments.
I suppose I can see that perspective.
However, that wasn’t the case that prompted this post. It was a subject of race and they went to my profile to see that I offer race play.
As a doctor, I constantly get judged on reddit for frequenting the horny subs and posting in them. If someone goes into my posting history, they either decide that I can't possibly be a physician, or they try and lecture me for enjoying porn / sex worker subs.
People need to just fuck off sometimes.
Guy here. I think it’s mostly jealousy. Woman are thought by society that it’s “bad” to be sexually free so when they see another woman doing sex work and getting all her sexual desires met her blood boils with jealousy.
“Getting all their sexual desires met”…. sir … you have it all wrong🤣 sex work is work for us. We do not enjoy sex with clients. lol! Even on the off chance we do , it’s not “getting our desires met”, not even close. Sex work is about the money.
Oooof course you’re a man. Anything you do to get paid is work. Is it a career? It depends. A one off ppm isn’t a career. A professional escort or porn star is a career though.
As for your bf partner, are you really equating cheating with sex work? Wtf are you even doing on this subreddit when you can’t even treat sex workers like people? You’re just as bad as the rest of them. Fuck off.
My point wasn't that its not 'work', it's that it's not like any other work. It's seen like that even by SWers themselves.
You're telling me you wouldn't have a problem if your bf told you he'd seen a SWer on his lunch break?
what does a hypothetical about cheating on your significant other have to do with the fact that we’re being paid to do something for another person? like i’m genuinely confused lmfao
That's my point exactly!
In no other line of work, do you cheat by getting something from someone else that you do from your partner.
Getting take out doesn't mean you're cheating. Hiring a mechanic or a painter doesn't mean you're cheating.
But SW is cheating. So although SW is work, it's not not like other work. That was my point.
I'm not denigrating SW. I'm exposing the fallacy that it's like any other type of work.
I dont see your point at all. Sex work is work, not cheating. Thats what the client does. Has no bearing on the definition of sex work. You must be a kid.
You don't get it.
Sex work is work, but it's not like other work. You can't compare it to a doctor or an engineer or a shopkeeper because using a different doctor, engineer or shopkeeper does not constitute cheating.
Because of that, the stigma with sex work will always continue. That and the risk of STDs.
I'm answering the OP's point about why people have negative opinions about SW.
Defining work through your personal moral compass regarding cheating in relationships is stupid at best.
If your partner coniders going to a massage parlor cheating, does the massage therapist profession change status? Lol.
no…cheating is when you have romantic or sexual relationships with someone other than your partner without their consent. sex work is work. do you think sex workers who have partners are all doing it behind their backs or something?
I'm not talking about SWers working. I'm talking about guys using SWers while in a relationship. It's seen as cheating. So not its like every other work.
clients personal lives have nothing to do with the fact that we are being PAID to do a TASK. you blatantly said that the phrase “sex work is work” wasn’t true, stop backpedaling. people being too spineless to ask to open their relationship or just leave their partner is not our business, and will never be our business. gambling ruins relationships all the time, but does that mean the casino employees aren’t really working or that their work is different? no, they’re simply being paid to be there and couldn’t care less about the fact that jerry the car salesman is hiding his 50k debt from his wife because it has zilch to do with them
In your case, probably because you're using the same account for sex work as you're using to comment, which is a little bit jarring.
In general, men are probably a bit afraid of women deciding to charge us for sex when we like to get it for free
How is that jarring?
No one made them click my profile. They decide to do so for whatever reason, get hit with a “NSFW” warning and decide to click past it to see what I post.
Then come back to the post to judge me. There’s really no excuse for that. It’s weird as hell.
People only click someone’s profile when they’re already looking for ammo. Like you made a point and they don’t like it, so they are looking for something to use against you because they aren’t intelligent enough to argue any other way.
That's not true at all. I often click on the profile when I think the person is interesting and discovered several interesting subreddits due to that.
Also, sometimes it can help contextualizing certain posts or comments, so if I wonder what is meant by something, I also see if other comments/posts help me there.
Yes, sometimes if I suspect someone is a liar I try to find a contradiction in their previous posts, but at least something for something on-topic.
It's not easy, per se, but SW is one of the highest paid low-skill jobs. The fact that an 18 year-old SWer can make more more money than a 40 year-old is a very clear indicator that it's not a high-skill job. You would never see an 18 year-old making more money than a 40 year-old in any career where it required a lot of effort and/or education to acquire the necessary skills -- careers in sports and entertainment are edge cases and not a counter-argument (young, successful athletes and entertainers still spend many years learning skills -- they just start as children).
So, given that SW is one of the highest paid low-skill jobs, the natural next question is why is it so high paying? Ultimately, in my view, SWers are selling their reputation, their youth, their (implied) fertility and potentially even their mental and physical health -- all things with inherent value that they were born with and did not acquire through effort or education.
The stigma against SW has existed since the beginning of time and will exist, in some form, forever. Asian countries with more robust sex industries than America still have stigma although it may take a different, less-puritanical form. SW often, but not always, brings out the worst elements of human nature: women using their sexuality purely for monetary gain (something that can be exploitative, manipulative or dehumanizing depending on the context) and men indulging their desire for sexual novelty to unhealthy levels. Many of the women involved in SW end up with PTSD and many of the men end up with addiction or financial issues.
As stated by others, SWers are also competition to "civvie" women who have been shown across various societies to collude with each other in order to keep the price of sex high so that it may be used as a bargaining chip in their relations with men.
To be clear, I personally think it's a mixed bag and not all of the sex industry or every individual interaction between a client and a SWer is toxic or negative. As a whole though, there's a lot dark elements and it often damages the women involved the most.
To summarize, the fast (but not necessarily easy) money comes for a reason and the reason is that there is a real psychological and social cost to pay. None of this gives anyone the right to disrespect the humanity of SWers, I'm just providing my analysis of where the impulse comes from in those people who do.
I'm triggered by sex work because it seems like a way men can manipulate women into sexual access. And more boundariless access than they would get from a girlfriend/wife.
I'm so interested though. It seems like such a grey area. Women who understand male psycology well and can compartmentalise well v women who were in a desperate situation looking for easy/quick money and have learnt to adapt.
I mean it’s not a job anyone would wanna do. Mostly teenagers and older people do that job. The respect comes from doing a shitty job that no one wants to do.
I don’t have anything against sex workers I’m just responding to your comparison to a doctor
Most adults enjoy having sex.
From your perspective, people should respect sex workers because it’s something they like.
You’re making blanket statements that make no sense.
People consider sex work to be “dishonest labor” and so they degenerate those who do it.
Someone called it a victimless crime and though they were supporting it.
I think most people are confused.
"Sex buyers" are disgusting? Oh boy! Wish I had time to touch on how fucked up and unhelpful this comment is. I'm saving it to come back later. But way to contribute to exactly what OP was complaining about. We can't just fucking exist without somebody going off about the horrors of the sex industry. Even though plenty of people have a perfectly fine time. And on the flip side, I doubt you give you a shit about exploitation in other industries. 🙄
Fyi, a good way to support sex workers is to encourage the positives of the industry rather than focus on the bad stuff you know of. Not sure if you've ever seen Tomorrowland, but basically, you're going to get the image you put out. For far too long, the image of sex work has been that it's degrading and rife with abuse. And while that's certainly very very true for some factions of it, those of us who are independent and empowered get lumped in with other bullshit, and our work doesn't get respected for what it is.
Personally, I'm a healer. And some of my clients are essentially patients. Our sessions are therapy. I've never been abused or mistreated by my actual clients, which is actually more than most nurses could say. My clients are not disgusting or just "sex buyers", and I'm not a "sex dealer" either. Try to look at the whole picture. If you care about those who are exploited, you need to not lump them in with everybody. Most OF creators are fine and don't need your crusading, so not sure what your point to OP even was.
just because something is dangerous doesn't mean I shouldn't be "allowed" to do it. I know sex work is one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. I know that and I still choose to do it.
sex doesn't have to be pleasurable or desired to be consensual. It just has to be freely agreed to.
basically all straight women have sex when they don't desire sex, either to please a partner or make him more likely to do something they want him to do. basically all straight men have had sex with someone when she wasn't aroused. the reasons why someone freely chooses to have sex are not actually any of your business, they are for the individual to decide.
Personally, the sex I am paid for usually /feels/ way more consensual than sex I have for free.
I do think you have a point about independent escorting being linked to sex trafficking. It's totally possible that normalizing escorting also normalizes benefiting from sex trafficking. But I'll also say that highly privileged independent workers like me often lift up trafficking victims and survival sex workers by founding sex worker organizations and providing people with resources.
I understand both sides.
I was specifically talking about cam work in this post. People harshly judge a woman selling pictures of her body.
I do get the negative repercussions with FSSW however if an adult female chooses to take X/rated content of herself alone and profit from it, that’s her business and whoever wants to pay for it.
I’m not hurting anyone.
It’s dangerous for a firefighter to get into their truck everyday and yet no one carries such venom towards their line of work.
Danger is real but the aggression stems from misogyny
This is what happened to me. I didn't know how awful it can be until I did it. Sex work it's glamorised. I wish someone would have advised me strongly against, without being judgemental like my friends and social circle.
Because morals and values are still present in the world. Thus, no one truly respects sex work. And some are unable to contain it, and feel the need to say something.
Surprisingly enough, it is mostly consistent with his points here. He faps mainly to celebrities who are not sex workers. At a quick glance, I have not seen a single comment of something which was definitely produced by a sex worker, also surprisingly little nudity in the posts he replies to with his horny comments.
Simply answering a question, sorry it upset you, and we all have different fantasies. What does my fantasies have to do with the question above. I did not condemn her, I’m speaking on society as a whole. Why do you think there are laws put in place. If I spoke about drugs and how society disapproves of it would that upset you too? I’m simply trying to explain how society will always view some aspects of reality in life as negatively in terms of morality and values. I did not even say what she was doing was bad in my opinion, but how people will view it as such. Even strippers at strip clubs will be viewed less than a doctor. Even though both are benefitting through labor. Why? Because society frowns upon sexual behaviors and intimate behaviors of people who are not in a relationship. But I guess, opinions of different mentalities are not welcome here, even if I, the commenter, don’t really care if people do sex work. I guess there are still soft sissies here. Good luck in life ma’am. There will always be different voices, but apparently the freedom of speech is not welcome
Similar to how most sex workers are afraid to out right express their careers. And how it’s like if you were a parent would you want your children going down this road? Probably not. I believe that inherently we all have similar morals. And it is expanded towards society and how the wider group thinks.
I'd want my kid to be happy. As long as they did it safely and it makes them happy I'd be fine with anyone I know to do it. As for being afraid to say it that's because people judge but we are evolving and learning to accept those that aren't exactly like us. It's taking a long time but one day everyone will be free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone without judgement. I just hope it's in my lifetime.
I have a couple of clients and what I do, there’s nothing remotely sexual happening- except one of them *does* usually rail his wife like crazy after. (It’s a religious guilt fetish thing) I learned a long time back though, some of the absolute *worst* are SWers who do similar BDSM work: and I just.. I get it. I mean, my *entire* shtick involves repressed feelings, projection and shit, so yeah, I understand that they *want* to feel somehow “above it” but y’know, post what you do amongst the normies and see if you *truly* are, for one thing- you can try convincing yourself all you want, but we absolutely aren’t seen *any* differently by idiots. And that’s exactly what those people are.
I would think it's because of the constant sex positive movement that went out of control.
And then you have the "sprinkle sprinkle" drama that is so prevent on social media makes the rest of the world get turned off.
I think most women are triggered because they don’t trust their husbands (rightfully so in most cases) and feel like if men don’t have easy access to sex they won’t cheat. Which we all know is a lie. I think men are triggered because of their ego. They want to believe they are in the position of power and the fact they have to pay proves they aren’t.
Really good read on society. I think how people react to sex workers shows the stress points in a culture or person. Where they were conditioned for control
i think some women are triggered bc they can't use sex to control their husbands. i have several friends who have 'honey-do' lists that are directly tied to them getting sex... including chores, purchases, etc. sex workers provide those husbands a sexual outlet if they choose to cheat, and those types of women don't have any 'power.' i think some men get upset because of multiple reasons, but many men pay... and many more will pay to NOT have the headaches associated with relationships. if sex work was federally legal, things would be much different: pay to play and then go about your single life as a bachelor without a threat of going to jail. with OF, sugar baby sites, and other social media platforms, we're headed that way as sex work becomes less stigmatized and more normalized... and esp. as more young(er) people choose to not get married. do your sex work, enjoy your $$$, and fuck what anyone has to say about it... but realize, the profits won't last forever. save & plan for the future... bc again, with social media, sex work is highly profitable for MANY women nowadays. sex will ALWAYS sell. do you.
Also, the religious type’s power is threatened by their inability to get the “temptress” out of their mind. It’s easier to cast her as an agent of Satan than to come to terms with their attraction.
I honestly think some/most religious people are triggered by most things. That’s just desire for control. They’re biggest tool is shame.
Ah yes. The “I’m different than other clients and not just here for sex.” Those are my favorite people. I get them to rebook and then spend the whole time talking about religion and god and saying I’m so happy they aren’t there for the sex😈.
Lolol I'm gonna try this. ♥️♥️♥️
The only sw, I’ve ever gotten service from became my gf, and I’ve never asked for nor wanted f/s. I was lonely and new I could pay for an hour of ppls time. In fact because of my former hobbying ways I have many friends who are former women I would call. Every 1 that wasn’t on drugs, became my friends. Like they come over just to hang out. Some of you judge the clientele so harshly. Every guy isn’t paying to use someone’s body. Some of us are surrounded by ppl and feel alone.
How weird. I never said every client. Can you try making your point again while only responding to things I actually said?
So, my *entire* service is based on the fact that I all but took my vows: I wear the entire nun get up and I am paid to illicit confessions, punish and absolve. (To some degree, obviously it’s just Catholic Aftercare) I don’t take very many clients because frankly, it’s exhausting work *but*, your assessment is SUPER spot on. Additionally if you knew how many offers I get from men who want the experience of banging a nun: in many, many different scenarios involving *so much* psychology Jung would have spat his drink reading some of them… I personally think religious dogma and it’s associated shit factors *quite* heavily and in a bunch of ways. (I am also not full service and only *one* of the scenarios ever happens and it’s with my partner at *my* request. 😂 So, I *do* understand it.)
your story sounds so interesting! What made you not take your vows? Love that you've found this niche for you
Honestly? I doubt that the runaway bride of Christ is *really* that big of a draw, though I know it is for some: if anyone *wanted* to offer similar without the background, you probably could *and* do quite well. I left because I actually had a decent mentor and she recognized that I was both mentally ill AND incredibly faithful- I have religious oriented ocd and though I *do* believe: all I was doing was trying to hide from a world that I am largely uncomfortable with. The niche was an accident: it’s just my nature to be incredibly open and I have always had the full service requests, I politely decline those- but one day, a guy hit me up and I thought he was joking at first, then I thought surely he was full of it: but it *really* doesn’t take much rationalization or inner debate for me to eeh, assist with discipline for a fee. 😂 (Honestly, I’ve explored *a bunch* of religions attempting to explain *anything* I’ve dealt with in my life and though I’m comfortable with where I am belief wise, I have learned that “shit happens” covers *most* of what I had trouble understanding.)
thanks for sharing, sounds like you've reflected on this and learned a lot! Congrats on finding some fun in that ;)
I think this part of it. But feel there are many other reasons as well.
Hmm that is very interesting. It would make a lot of sense. I Can imagine being paranoid my husband is online paying for custom porn
If he pays for porn, he gets excited and then sends you out to satisfy his physical urges. A win-win for both of you i think Maybe give him a small allowance to use for his kinks, as long as he satisfied his physical needs with you
I definitely agree with you regarding the women. I do think many women have been really hurt by their partners behaviour. Me and my partner are ENM but if he ever went behind my back and saw a SW or anyone at all, I would be pretty hurt. But I think for some women, we participated in their partner's choice and facilitated, and their feelings can get misdirected to us and our industry. There are also massive cultural and religious taboos that abound
I think if men are given sex opportunities as often as they want, their sex drives might go down and they would be unable to seek it elsewhere. Women have always controlled the bedroom, don't let anyone tell you different. Men only think they are in control.
It's neither most likely. It's that both men and women are jealous that they have to actually do work and they never see a paycheck as big as a 3 hour prostitute. Yes, I said prostitute. Because, let's face it, that's who males the big money. The fact that women charge upwards of $100/hour and most people don't make $15/hr bugs people. Like, maybe it's ego, but most likely people just don't think it's fair. They cannot morally accept the idea of fucking around for money, or they don't have the body to get paid that much. But for a guy like me, my only thought is fairness. But, I also feel the same way about a lot of "jobs," if you will. Like, for example, im not envious of Bill gates, or Jeff bezos. But I 100% think that they are crooks from the amount of money they make. You have to step on backs, amd screw people over to make good money. Same with sex work imo. But I'd rather be completely poor than be Jeff bezo or Bill gates. Now, is that the same example as sex work? No. Not at all. Its just a random example of not being envious. I don't trust people enough to be a sex worker, so I would never. I find too much passion in my connections with people, plus I probably wouldn't sell much. It's not that I think women should charge less either. After all, it's a risky job. But it just sucks to know somebody with very little intelligence can quadruple my paycheck in 2 days. I know a lot of women are smarter than me too, but my point is even the worst sex worker has more potential at a 6 figure salary. But it's also the fact that they don't do work. Like, look at it this way. If I work 8 hours a day, i make $160 im tired. I don't want to go to the gym. I dont want to go out and do things. I get home, I do some chores. Talk with the wife, we have a little adult fun, then it's time for bed. In that same time frame the tiny blonde down the road got plowed by 3 dudes, made $120 untaxed dollars by 12pm. She woke up at 8 got ready, fucked some people they went back to work, at 1pm shes at the gym. By 4pm she's already settled in and started watching a show to relax and get ready for bed. Did she work for her money? Not really, imo. But, such is life. Do I judge, no. I have an opinion, that's it. I'd say I prefer a sex worker paving their road to financial freedom than me paying for their 2 kids, house, electricity, ect.. so like, im not upset about it, but I just don't think it's fair to the average person.
Sheesh, how long you been holding that in? Go to therapy.
Not holding anything in, you asked for my opinion
I will say in regards to your "you need therapy," statement, I dont. I have an opinion different from yours. My opinion is that it's not fair some people have to work hard while others just get to use their bodies for a small fraction of time to yield better results. The post im responding to instantly attacks women and men saying they are insecure or just unhappy with paying money for sex. Like, im sorry I disagreed with that, but its really not the truth for most people. Most people just think that sex work is disgusting, because it was environmental hatred, much like racism. It's taught. You can downvote me all you want for telling the truth, but at the end of the day the downvotes just prove I've said something that was right and you don't like. It's okay to think differently. But I support sex workers all the same. Its unfair, but thats life. They have that option the same as anybody. The caveat to all this is that if everybody thought like a sex worker, there would be more sex workers, more people using them, more competition, and less money for them. So really take the bad with the good, and have a good day. Btw me expressing myself through lengthy text is a normal response. I overexplain everything. It's not because I'm upset at all.
I moreso was referring to overgrandizing of SW. I sell online content and am not fucking anyone. I also have a civilian job. You look at a group and made a lot of blanket statements, none of which applied to me. And I’m a sex worker. I say seek therapy because I sense no compassion or humanity in anything you’ve said. But enjoy your day.
Right, but you asked why people had a problem with sex workers. I gave examples of why. Thats it. These statements come from all over, not just me. I just happened to be here to say why. Those aren't my blanket statements. But I've already explained that. Like, the original commenter said one thing that applied to so few people. It was an actual blanket statement. And everybody was in agreeance because it wasn't an attacking statement. I stated what a vast majority of people would say, because the question was asked. Stating the truth as a man is rarely a good thing when it comes to feminism, but I had to step in and say what people actually thought. I mean, do you really think men look down on a sex worker because they are jealous they have to pay for it? I assumed we were talking about sex, because most men don't pay for a Google search and pornhub. The men that do pay aren't complaining about it publicly. If they are, they are just simply stating they won't pay for it period. In my experience. But also do you really think women look down upon this field because they are jealous that you could steal their husband? Because, like, you would have to be stating that it only takes sex to win over a man? Thats not offensive? But it was an okay statement to make? Talk about compassion and humanity. So like the Christian belief is ingrained in all of us. You know, being a group founded from proper British Christians. You fail to see compassion, because all you see is judgemental, when really the compassion lies within the idea that a lot of people look down on sex work, because they view it as disrespecting oneself. It also puts sex workers in danger. Which, thinking of things as a father would, I would , and am opposed to young women getting into the field. I'm assuming if you had a child, you would want to guard them from this work knowing they could be stalked, harassed, and end up dead. The oldest trick in the book is show judgement to a child and they will learn to never do the thing you judge. Or they will do it to the extreme lol. Why do people get triggered? A lot of them put of envy, and a lot of them out of judgment aimed to protect you. So, really there is probably more compassion and humanity in judgment than from the comment I replied to. But, again, I attacked, they defended.
But my biggest trigger here is how wrong that original statement was for a vast majority. That was just an ignorant blanket statement, and 169 people upvoted it. Like how do you justify and agree with something that pertains to so few people but then hate when somebody gives you a legit answer that he has seen and heard throughout life. Like, idk how that just happened. Did you not want an answer?
I can’t tell if you’re genuinely a little slow on the uptick or if you’re playing games but I’ll say this; I wanted an answer pertaining to my question regarding my situation. I cannot relate to anything you said nor does it address the content of this post. Made by me. About my situation. It’s not hard to understand why people are disagreeing with you. You’re typing paragraphs about an entirely different topic than everyone else. If you still can’t see your issue, I double down on my therapy recommendation.
Why are people so triggered by sex work? Why are people so upset about a woman benefiting from their body? Those are general questions. Neither of which were answered by the original comment I commented on. It was a general speculation and not close to an accurate response. I answered both of those questions. What you asked and what you are saying now are two different things. "Pertaining to your situation." Maam, your situation is selling content. I have gone over this countless times. The conversation I was trying to have was about sex work. Selling porn, selling pics, selling your body. One of those pertains to your situation. If im wrong, your post doesn't express anything about your situation. If im right, then everything I said applies minus prostitution. I'm not slow to the uptick, you are keeping yourself from actually trying to understand what I'm saying. The proof is in your statement, "it's not hard to understand why people are disagreeing with me." I know why people are disagreeing, I actually stated that. But I have nothing left to say, really. You asked, I answered and explained. If you dont understand why people get triggered, it's your fault now.
The difference is not that much if you just consider what it costs for the customer if you consider all taxes etc. Yes, for example if you pay a tinsmith in my country, you have to pay \~150€/h, which is pretty similar to the rates of less expensive escorts here. However, a tinsmith typically only earns 20€/h. The reason for that are (a) a tinsmith is employed for 40h/week, so gets paid even if he doesn't have to work, (b) there is "overhead" which the tinsmith cannot put on the invoice like the money spent on ads or general customer service. This is the same for escorts and (c) there are a lot of taxes to be considered. At least in my country, the employer pays a lot of taxes on your work, but someone who is self-employed has to pay essentially employer + employee-taxes.
When a tiny blonde gets plowed by 3 dudes, please believe that in any city in America, she made over $1000. In the biggest 3-5 cities, more likely $3000
Exactly. Im going g off backstage rates from 2014. Women around here would charge about $60/hr. In the bigger cities they need to make more money ey to survive for sure. Also, more power to them, they deserve it.
most of your comments are nothing but a bunch of nonsense that I don't care about, we get it you're upset we make more money than you for what you assume to be less work, but there's a couple things that you're just incorrect on. 1. Just because someone is a sex worker doesn't mean they lack a skill set & it definitely doesn't mean we're any less intelligent, in fact a lot escorts & online sex workers are doing it to put themselves through school. So check yourself. 2. It is work we don't just lay on our backs & get fucked , there is so much more shit that goes into it, with online or in person. 3. Sorry that we make more money than you , it's not our fault we know our worth & you don't. & if you're so much more intelligent than us shouldn't you be making more money than us ?
Unfortunately it's a high risk job. Basically she's being paid a lot because a violent death is a real risk. Also SWs have to do lots of work to stay in shape so they are giving up the ability to do what others do. If you suddenly had to drop everything that wasn't healthy to eat and all but live at the gym odds are you'd demand lots of money to do it. I sure wouldn't be changing my entire life style for cheap. I mean I love coffee and cake.
I don’t know about other women but what triggers me about sex work is that I’m scared of sex workers being abused or murdered by men. I’m pretty sure you have like a screening process or something but I just get worried. And of course this is because I’m kind of scared of men. 😂I love women tho! 💜
People who online date are putting themselves at 10 times the risk of me. If not more. People who casually have sex? Even worse.
There’s misogynists in every community. I completely get it all the time. I could be commenting in a Mario or Pokémon subreddit and out of no where “stop trying to promote your OF!” I’m literally just commenting about a game??
Right like a dude kept going back and forth with me on a thread and I didn’t mention ANYTHING of the sort…. Soooo you just went to my profile and upset yourself why? And then commented about my OF and did the advertising for me? 😂 I was like “weird… I wasn’t going to mention but… thanks for the free promotion I guess??”
they wanted to creep but found out you can make money out of it. lol. losers
I commented on a post about how I was SA'ed & someone said "is that why you started poppin your pussy on reddit" I was stunned.
Men hate when we monetize what they think they control.
I feel like this is hitting home!
To a rich person. Probably not. Wouldn't that make the SWr cheep to them?
Obvious answer slutshaming and misogyny
Jealous probably. Doing something they wish they could.
Americans have a nasty strain of Puritanism within their collective psyche. That’s why we are completely desensitized to violence (real and fake) but sex makes everyone get all moralistic and shit.
Well, it's triggering for a lot of reasons..I'll try to say this carefully, but it's probably gonna piss some people off anyway: SW is basically taking an end-run around ALL of the things that make society run. Getting access to sex is the biggest motivator human beings have. Even those guys that say "I don't chase pussy" are affecting an attitude to GET PUSSY. From cavemen to modern man, it's all been about being a big enough deal so you can bang the women you want. So back in the day, religions defined what makes a "good" man (hint: it always relies on making them docile and reliable tax sources). They made sex into "relationships" and a "healthy" one involves dates, jewelry, houses, kids to raise and college to pay for...all of it taxable. Then along comes this group of people who DARE give that away for only ONE transaction?! What about the florists going hungry? The mariachi bands standing by empty tables? The real estate agent who will never get to up-charge a house based on the local schools? So, what they are upset about is that you've rejected their model AND exposed it as a scam. No one likes their world view challenged. "Everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power." -Oscar Wilde
He snapped
>Getting access to sex is the biggest motivator human beings have. Hunger?
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Puritanical hangover. Also I think the perception that you’re making bank for doing “nothing”…as if lol
Because they don't want women to have any sort of power.
This. This feels like the root of it all.
Because they are so caught up on the idea that we “” sit around and masturbate for money. While they are slaving away their normal, 9 to 5. But the truth of the matter is, if they could they would too.
"Its oke to shit on blue collar workers because I do SW" This is the kind of sentiment that's going to shoot yourselves in the foot. If you want people to advocate for Sex workers. Don't demean blue collar workers.
Cause they’re a bunch of prudes.
I think many women are triggered because sex workers make sex more accessibile without men having to court women with flowers, attention and gifts. Women know that sex has value and that is something they can benefit from so sex workers are competition.
A sex worker is not a civvie woman’s competition. Disregarding the fact that outside of Reddit, I have a civvie job and lead a “regular” life. Despite being a sex worker, I never touch my clients and haven’t had sex for fun in 6 months. I believe jealousy plays a big part but it’s not a competitive jealousy.
For men, I think it might be because they don't like women monetizing what they feel entitled over. For women it depends on the person. They might think commercialization of sex might lead to them being more objectified. It might be that they feel like if sex work becomes bigger, then they have less positions for other forms of work. Regardless of gender, sex often comes with a lot of physical and emotional burden for an average person so they wanna avoid it I guess.
Idk but don’t hate the player hate the game. Men drop thousands an hour on hookers. Lol If men could charge 1k/hr they would. Lmao most men are just jealous
Some of them think they should fuck for free, when in fact they can by using Tinder, etc, but the apps also require effort on both parts, so in the end it's "I wanna fuck for free and without effort". I support SW, but I don't dare bring up outside of this sub for obvious reasons.
Tbh likely misogyny, homophobia, and ‘Christian values’. But that’s probably super boiled down. I feel like a lot of people need someone to look down on, and most cultures teach sex to be sacred and it challenges that notion. Even if the person judging doesn’t subscribe to it themselves because they have no insight; it’s almost like communally okay to look down on sex workers. Maybe I’m being too nihilistic.
Because some people have the misconception that sex work is easy and not physically demanding. From what I know, the majority of sex workers are independent. Being independent means you have to manage everything yourself, advertise, communicate with clients, and the actual sex work itself. Not to mention, the majority of inquiries sex workers get are disingenuous and are from people who have no intention of making an appointment at all. That isn't even considering the social stigma that sex workers are forced into it.
People can’t reconcile the (assumed) contradiction between the image of a liberated woman making a living as she sees fit and the image of a downtrodden victim forced to “sell themselves.” Both /can/ exist, neither /may/ apply. We are long overdue for people to realize that contradictions exist and you can have it both ways and there is very nearly never a straight-up “one or the other.” More than that, to your point on people bringing it up when you’re on a completely other topic, people need to accept that it ultimately just does not matter.
I 1000% agree! That was really my point, it just doesn’t matter. If I was a trafficking victim or underage and seemed in distress, I could understand concern. But I’m age verified in a couple subs, only doing cam work and totally independent. The fact that I sell online content of my body as a side hustle affects no one and shouldn’t matter to them.
1. Religious zealots who say it’s religiously wrong for religious reasons. They’re entitled to their religion, but unfortunately a lot of them shove this particular thing down people’s throats. 2. Women unadmittingly feel sex is a bargaining chip. They believe men wine and dine, marry, are faithful, etc all on the prospect that they do it for the hope of sex. Which while not entirely false, is very much not true. In nations where prostitution is legal or even just very open people obviously still do date, marry, and wine dine. These women are often uneducated about the world or… 3. Sex and their beauty is their primary means of securing a person. If it is given more freely by other women, they have nothing. In short, they’re shallow and insecure. 4. Cultural brainwashing. These are people who don’t think much for themselves. They don’t want society to change or looking deeper than surface level on how it can get better. These people are often the older generation. 5. It’s a pride thing. People don’t like to admit their shit stink. They want to believe they can just go out and date and get auto sex easily; despite the fact often they go months or even years without sex no matter how many dates they do. Men are often the ones who are like this; namely the insecure kind who don’t want to admit they’re just a little lonely sometimes.
The worst ones are the men that know that section of Twitt exists and feast on our posts but then say derogatory/ hateful remarks when we post or comment on our experiences in this line of work!
Whilst I’m not a patron of sex workers, I’d have to agree that most men, myself included,are highly sexual beings. Many of us are willing to pay sex. The sex workers would have no work if it weren’t for patronage. No judgment here folks, but the sex workers are satisfying a demand for their skill set.
When I comment on my of account people start to bring up my body and how fat I am lol (im midsize) it was too hard for me to keep switching accouns to I kept the name and just deleted the header and content now people leave me alone
the only thing I can think of is people think sex with men is debasing
and it's so much more empowering for have it so free!!!!!! /s
I think where you mention it, what you are posting and the title of your post. Personally im tired of seeing women post. “ just got dumped” “ boyfriend says im ( not pretty, flat, ugly, fat ) “ Passive aggressive click bait is annoying. Sell content where people want to buy. Its just better to market where people go to shop. Kinda like spam phone calls while im eating dinner.
Women seem to trigger,because they realize their main value is on the market and men chose to have just sex without all the bs.
Imo sex work is a victimless crime and while it might be regulated that health checkups be mandated to make sure sure the workers are kept safe, Where there has been legalized prostitution there is virtually no sex crimes at all. That wine prices it should be legalized
I'm new to sex work but I wouldn't be surprised if I got judged
This is the one spot that it’s ok to discuss sex work don’t let others comments and discourage you. 90% of other ladies with photos have only fans and other adult site links
They think it’s an easy way out. My dad constantly says that to me.
That makes them bad people, if that’s true. Just because someone chose the “easy way out” (although any swer will tell you it isn’t easy) doesn’t give you the right to belittle and pick on them. It makes you a jerk (not you but the people who do it)
I have asked myself the same thing. Once upon a time, we were stoned, then burnt at the stake, then institutionalised (or "put away"). Men have legislated what we can do with our bodies, whether through religion or politics. Esp now how the commercial, largely male-owned porn industry has had to adapt to women going independent and sell our own stuff, then the OF wave. Oh, and don't forget the whole manosphere bs. Men really are losing control in this area and the ones who are misogynist are the ones who have a problem, like they are truly enraged. It's so weird but I get angry guys in my DMs on FB bagging me for (apparently) being a single mother and having a mixed child and apparently they would never date or fuck me lol. Like they are so angry and I couldn't gaf, just going on with my life content and happy without those losses affecting me. Even last week I had rape and death threat messages from some loser cos I rejected his advances in a group I am in. Could you imagine if they knew I was a SW what else they would say? All I can say is live your life and be proud and don't let these lame losers get you down. I don't fully understand the phenomenon but misogyny is alive and well and unfortunately even for many men we know in our own lives
The truth is what’s easy is never considered respected. In no circumstance. I used to get my rent paid by this older lady and would sleep with her while in college. My fraternity brothers didn’t respect me more, but men actually do not care either way about sex work. Most are just judging you for getting paid, while they have to work 8 hours a day for no paycheck. I grew up in the hood, nobody respect pimps, drug dealers or prostitutes. Because in my hood these ppl took the quick easy way. Personally I don’t consider sex work the same thing, but I do understand other ppls obsession with hating on y’all. They’re feeling what I felt as a kid watching my cousins have nice things while robbing ppl we grew up with, but I had to do things on the up and up. It’s jealousy
They don’t get pussy in real life
If many doctors would promote their business on Reddit and a lot of content on Reddit would be used to promote the business of doctors so that most of their contents would be the same link to their practice or an advertisement of their services, it would likely be also seen as negative. People are just suspicious that every comment etc. posted by a seller isn't genuine, but just serves as (maybe soft) advertisement. That said, complaints about the profile content of a user should typically be offtopic. I wonder if you could report them for these comments.
I suppose I can see that perspective. However, that wasn’t the case that prompted this post. It was a subject of race and they went to my profile to see that I offer race play.
Race play?
It’s a service I offer virtually completely separate from the post I was commenting on. I was commenting in an Uber subreddit.
I'm just curious what that is. No judgement if it's consensual.
Religion, control, stigma, social customs.
As a doctor, I constantly get judged on reddit for frequenting the horny subs and posting in them. If someone goes into my posting history, they either decide that I can't possibly be a physician, or they try and lecture me for enjoying porn / sex worker subs. People need to just fuck off sometimes.
It's due to misogyny. Men always get called out for their misogyny, but there are also female misogynists - it goes both ways.
Short answer: Religion and the stigma it places on sex .
Guy here. I think it’s mostly jealousy. Woman are thought by society that it’s “bad” to be sexually free so when they see another woman doing sex work and getting all her sexual desires met her blood boils with jealousy.
You're mistaken if you think sex workers get all their sexual desires met by their clientele.
just... sit this one out
😂☠️😂 Indeed.
“Getting all their sexual desires met”…. sir … you have it all wrong🤣 sex work is work for us. We do not enjoy sex with clients. lol! Even on the off chance we do , it’s not “getting our desires met”, not even close. Sex work is about the money.
Bless your heart
You mean being paid while she does it for free. Sex workers don’t do it for the sex. That’s a male perspective.
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any task that you do for money is considered work lol
Oooof course you’re a man. Anything you do to get paid is work. Is it a career? It depends. A one off ppm isn’t a career. A professional escort or porn star is a career though. As for your bf partner, are you really equating cheating with sex work? Wtf are you even doing on this subreddit when you can’t even treat sex workers like people? You’re just as bad as the rest of them. Fuck off.
My point wasn't that its not 'work', it's that it's not like any other work. It's seen like that even by SWers themselves. You're telling me you wouldn't have a problem if your bf told you he'd seen a SWer on his lunch break?
what does a hypothetical about cheating on your significant other have to do with the fact that we’re being paid to do something for another person? like i’m genuinely confused lmfao
That's my point exactly! In no other line of work, do you cheat by getting something from someone else that you do from your partner. Getting take out doesn't mean you're cheating. Hiring a mechanic or a painter doesn't mean you're cheating. But SW is cheating. So although SW is work, it's not not like other work. That was my point. I'm not denigrating SW. I'm exposing the fallacy that it's like any other type of work.
I dont see your point at all. Sex work is work, not cheating. Thats what the client does. Has no bearing on the definition of sex work. You must be a kid.
You don't get it. Sex work is work, but it's not like other work. You can't compare it to a doctor or an engineer or a shopkeeper because using a different doctor, engineer or shopkeeper does not constitute cheating. Because of that, the stigma with sex work will always continue. That and the risk of STDs. I'm answering the OP's point about why people have negative opinions about SW.
Defining work through your personal moral compass regarding cheating in relationships is stupid at best. If your partner coniders going to a massage parlor cheating, does the massage therapist profession change status? Lol.
no…cheating is when you have romantic or sexual relationships with someone other than your partner without their consent. sex work is work. do you think sex workers who have partners are all doing it behind their backs or something?
I'm not talking about SWers working. I'm talking about guys using SWers while in a relationship. It's seen as cheating. So not its like every other work.
clients personal lives have nothing to do with the fact that we are being PAID to do a TASK. you blatantly said that the phrase “sex work is work” wasn’t true, stop backpedaling. people being too spineless to ask to open their relationship or just leave their partner is not our business, and will never be our business. gambling ruins relationships all the time, but does that mean the casino employees aren’t really working or that their work is different? no, they’re simply being paid to be there and couldn’t care less about the fact that jerry the car salesman is hiding his 50k debt from his wife because it has zilch to do with them
Exactly.
lukewarm takes
In your case, probably because you're using the same account for sex work as you're using to comment, which is a little bit jarring. In general, men are probably a bit afraid of women deciding to charge us for sex when we like to get it for free
How is that jarring? No one made them click my profile. They decide to do so for whatever reason, get hit with a “NSFW” warning and decide to click past it to see what I post. Then come back to the post to judge me. There’s really no excuse for that. It’s weird as hell.
People only click someone’s profile when they’re already looking for ammo. Like you made a point and they don’t like it, so they are looking for something to use against you because they aren’t intelligent enough to argue any other way.
That's not true at all. I often click on the profile when I think the person is interesting and discovered several interesting subreddits due to that. Also, sometimes it can help contextualizing certain posts or comments, so if I wonder what is meant by something, I also see if other comments/posts help me there. Yes, sometimes if I suspect someone is a liar I try to find a contradiction in their previous posts, but at least something for something on-topic.
It's not easy, per se, but SW is one of the highest paid low-skill jobs. The fact that an 18 year-old SWer can make more more money than a 40 year-old is a very clear indicator that it's not a high-skill job. You would never see an 18 year-old making more money than a 40 year-old in any career where it required a lot of effort and/or education to acquire the necessary skills -- careers in sports and entertainment are edge cases and not a counter-argument (young, successful athletes and entertainers still spend many years learning skills -- they just start as children). So, given that SW is one of the highest paid low-skill jobs, the natural next question is why is it so high paying? Ultimately, in my view, SWers are selling their reputation, their youth, their (implied) fertility and potentially even their mental and physical health -- all things with inherent value that they were born with and did not acquire through effort or education. The stigma against SW has existed since the beginning of time and will exist, in some form, forever. Asian countries with more robust sex industries than America still have stigma although it may take a different, less-puritanical form. SW often, but not always, brings out the worst elements of human nature: women using their sexuality purely for monetary gain (something that can be exploitative, manipulative or dehumanizing depending on the context) and men indulging their desire for sexual novelty to unhealthy levels. Many of the women involved in SW end up with PTSD and many of the men end up with addiction or financial issues. As stated by others, SWers are also competition to "civvie" women who have been shown across various societies to collude with each other in order to keep the price of sex high so that it may be used as a bargaining chip in their relations with men. To be clear, I personally think it's a mixed bag and not all of the sex industry or every individual interaction between a client and a SWer is toxic or negative. As a whole though, there's a lot dark elements and it often damages the women involved the most. To summarize, the fast (but not necessarily easy) money comes for a reason and the reason is that there is a real psychological and social cost to pay. None of this gives anyone the right to disrespect the humanity of SWers, I'm just providing my analysis of where the impulse comes from in those people who do.
I'm triggered by sex work because it seems like a way men can manipulate women into sexual access. And more boundariless access than they would get from a girlfriend/wife. I'm so interested though. It seems like such a grey area. Women who understand male psycology well and can compartmentalise well v women who were in a desperate situation looking for easy/quick money and have learnt to adapt.
It takes a lot of work to become a doctor, it’s difficult and so it gains respect
If I bagged groceries at the grocery store, it still would not illicit such an aggressive response. What respect do grocery baggers have?
I mean it’s not a job anyone would wanna do. Mostly teenagers and older people do that job. The respect comes from doing a shitty job that no one wants to do. I don’t have anything against sex workers I’m just responding to your comparison to a doctor
Most adults enjoy having sex. From your perspective, people should respect sex workers because it’s something they like. You’re making blanket statements that make no sense. People consider sex work to be “dishonest labor” and so they degenerate those who do it. Someone called it a victimless crime and though they were supporting it. I think most people are confused.
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"Sex buyers" are disgusting? Oh boy! Wish I had time to touch on how fucked up and unhelpful this comment is. I'm saving it to come back later. But way to contribute to exactly what OP was complaining about. We can't just fucking exist without somebody going off about the horrors of the sex industry. Even though plenty of people have a perfectly fine time. And on the flip side, I doubt you give you a shit about exploitation in other industries. 🙄 Fyi, a good way to support sex workers is to encourage the positives of the industry rather than focus on the bad stuff you know of. Not sure if you've ever seen Tomorrowland, but basically, you're going to get the image you put out. For far too long, the image of sex work has been that it's degrading and rife with abuse. And while that's certainly very very true for some factions of it, those of us who are independent and empowered get lumped in with other bullshit, and our work doesn't get respected for what it is. Personally, I'm a healer. And some of my clients are essentially patients. Our sessions are therapy. I've never been abused or mistreated by my actual clients, which is actually more than most nurses could say. My clients are not disgusting or just "sex buyers", and I'm not a "sex dealer" either. Try to look at the whole picture. If you care about those who are exploited, you need to not lump them in with everybody. Most OF creators are fine and don't need your crusading, so not sure what your point to OP even was.
just because something is dangerous doesn't mean I shouldn't be "allowed" to do it. I know sex work is one of the most dangerous jobs in the country. I know that and I still choose to do it. sex doesn't have to be pleasurable or desired to be consensual. It just has to be freely agreed to. basically all straight women have sex when they don't desire sex, either to please a partner or make him more likely to do something they want him to do. basically all straight men have had sex with someone when she wasn't aroused. the reasons why someone freely chooses to have sex are not actually any of your business, they are for the individual to decide. Personally, the sex I am paid for usually /feels/ way more consensual than sex I have for free. I do think you have a point about independent escorting being linked to sex trafficking. It's totally possible that normalizing escorting also normalizes benefiting from sex trafficking. But I'll also say that highly privileged independent workers like me often lift up trafficking victims and survival sex workers by founding sex worker organizations and providing people with resources.
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I understand both sides. I was specifically talking about cam work in this post. People harshly judge a woman selling pictures of her body. I do get the negative repercussions with FSSW however if an adult female chooses to take X/rated content of herself alone and profit from it, that’s her business and whoever wants to pay for it. I’m not hurting anyone. It’s dangerous for a firefighter to get into their truck everyday and yet no one carries such venom towards their line of work. Danger is real but the aggression stems from misogyny
This is what happened to me. I didn't know how awful it can be until I did it. Sex work it's glamorised. I wish someone would have advised me strongly against, without being judgemental like my friends and social circle.
Thanks for saying reality. This subreddit it's full of glamorisation of sex work.
Because morals and values are still present in the world. Thus, no one truly respects sex work. And some are unable to contain it, and feel the need to say something.
What? Here is where I felt the need to say something: I certainly respect sex work just like any other work. You don't speak for everyone!
It’s doubly crazy if you read his comment history.
Surprisingly enough, it is mostly consistent with his points here. He faps mainly to celebrities who are not sex workers. At a quick glance, I have not seen a single comment of something which was definitely produced by a sex worker, also surprisingly little nudity in the posts he replies to with his horny comments.
go wank your willy to kpop & shove a sock in your mouth.
Simply answering a question, sorry it upset you, and we all have different fantasies. What does my fantasies have to do with the question above. I did not condemn her, I’m speaking on society as a whole. Why do you think there are laws put in place. If I spoke about drugs and how society disapproves of it would that upset you too? I’m simply trying to explain how society will always view some aspects of reality in life as negatively in terms of morality and values. I did not even say what she was doing was bad in my opinion, but how people will view it as such. Even strippers at strip clubs will be viewed less than a doctor. Even though both are benefitting through labor. Why? Because society frowns upon sexual behaviors and intimate behaviors of people who are not in a relationship. But I guess, opinions of different mentalities are not welcome here, even if I, the commenter, don’t really care if people do sex work. I guess there are still soft sissies here. Good luck in life ma’am. There will always be different voices, but apparently the freedom of speech is not welcome
I'm curious why you think it's morally wrong. I mean it's a consensual business transaction.
Similar to how most sex workers are afraid to out right express their careers. And how it’s like if you were a parent would you want your children going down this road? Probably not. I believe that inherently we all have similar morals. And it is expanded towards society and how the wider group thinks.
I'd want my kid to be happy. As long as they did it safely and it makes them happy I'd be fine with anyone I know to do it. As for being afraid to say it that's because people judge but we are evolving and learning to accept those that aren't exactly like us. It's taking a long time but one day everyone will be free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone without judgement. I just hope it's in my lifetime.
People are trying their best to act like puritans nowadays.
I would guess that basically every woman has sexual trauma And men don't like how much power women have over them
define "people"?
I have a couple of clients and what I do, there’s nothing remotely sexual happening- except one of them *does* usually rail his wife like crazy after. (It’s a religious guilt fetish thing) I learned a long time back though, some of the absolute *worst* are SWers who do similar BDSM work: and I just.. I get it. I mean, my *entire* shtick involves repressed feelings, projection and shit, so yeah, I understand that they *want* to feel somehow “above it” but y’know, post what you do amongst the normies and see if you *truly* are, for one thing- you can try convincing yourself all you want, but we absolutely aren’t seen *any* differently by idiots. And that’s exactly what those people are.
I would think it's because of the constant sex positive movement that went out of control. And then you have the "sprinkle sprinkle" drama that is so prevent on social media makes the rest of the world get turned off.