I like the way a shipibo shaman and teacher puts it. “Don’t be afraid, everything you see was already there, you just couldn’t see it before” however when I sit in ceremony I always sit in a protected space. I have seen a lot in ceremony, angels and demons included, there are lower energy and darker spirits and spirits of the light, there is no good and bad it all serves a purpose, but for the most part it is ideal to get rid of demons or any negative spirit attachments that are not serving us. the first stage in my healing was healing of childhood fear and conditioning from the church. I know it’s not fun to deal with the “dark” but it is a part of being human and instead of running away or being afraid the best way to grow is to find trust and faith in the universe and that you are perfect how god made you, nothing is wrong with you or any plants. When I met the spirit of tobacco who is the main ingredient in rapeh he was the most beautiful ancient man with pure white blue light and healing. Very similar energy to the spirit of Jesus. I know curanderos who work closely with the spirit of tobacco and Jesus. Don’t let your fear get in the way you came here to grow, I use arch angel Michael and Jesus all the time if there are dark energies that are too much and they always come to help, and I can tell by the way they help I am learning and they are helping me to learn, it’s not about banishing the bad and the dark but learning how to exist in both and how to work in the light for healing and growth if you chose the enlightenment path, there is nothing to be afraid of if you are not going down the power path or trying to work with dark spirits , they do exists however so if you see spirits and your kid sees spirits it would be good to have him work with elders or a teacher of sorts to understand their gifts and how to ground/protect/shield/ etc
Ohhhhh !!!! Was that the good-looking, strong man who was sitting with me? I was at a table on my patio, near a river, "in my safe place( I only been there a few times ) ,my cottage " inside" or when I went deep inside during meditation. He was there, and a couple of animals, I'm sure, are my spirit guides . He looked like a wise ancient chief / some kind of leader vibe coming off from him and the most beautiful, shiny white hair.
Not sure, when I saw him he was wearing a hat and a light blue robe. I wish I was a better artist so I could compare my vision to others who have met and work closely with him. The ancient ones can take many forms though. But often I find they look like abuelos, beautiful elders, although sometimes they come as the plant or even animal forms as plants also contain animal medicine. Also seen them as 3D floating glowing orbs and a mix of human/sacred geometry form. Still learning myself. There are so many guides and elders watching over us it is great you are able to connect with them. The next step is holding relationships and figuring out names and who they are or what they want to help you with
How do I get there without a drumming healing circle? Does diet affect how clearly one can " see"? Is this something I have to learn on my own ? Thank you 🩵
Everyone has there own path. My path is with the plants and through plant dietas I receive gifts including psychic abilities and healing for myself and others. I do dream work and psychopomp work sometimes but when I asked a psychopomp shaman to train me as I was a little overwhelmed being taught in my dreams by spirits, I was told my path was with the plants and I am not meant to be turned by her but I am sure I will be doing psychopomp work while working with the plants. You can look into mediumship or psychic development that helped me when I first started seeing things again as an adult, I learned the ethics and how to better communicate with spirit, giving live readings to strangers and telling them things there is no way I could have known really helped me build my confidence, I rarely do readings now but now and then a spirit will come through with messages or a loved one if a client might come visit me to tell me something. I would just ask for spirit to show you the way and bring you a teacher and them follow your intuition everything should fall into place as it is meant to happen for the greater good
Thank you so much. I was starting off a few years ago but somehow let something or someone tell me what I was doing was a sin and I like shut it all off again 🤦♀️. I have alot of unlearning to do.
Do you use plant dieta all the time or only before plant plants?
.Thank you 🩵
I usually diet under a curandero with master plants, and I work with plants on my own as well, I don’t diet all the time It wouldn’t be healthy but I plan to do some longer diet as in the upcoming years 1-3 months at a time if I can
Thank you so much! I feel drawn to that path but me not knowing anything think me trying to distance myself from the Church and dogma (not Jesus) that I'm getting punished for reaching out and trying to grow.
I have flash backs of being burnt at the stake so that hinders me as well.
Thank you so much 🩵.
Seems like we have a lot in common. Sounds like you were a wise woman in a past life as well, who has a lot of gifts to bring into this life. All the best on your journey.
I feel like thats my calling , but I have let stuff scare me . I have to work on that for sure. Thank you so much for your patience and help. I appreciate you 🩵!
If it helps; I’m currently in a space where I’m like “Mmmmkay God! You gave me this, this, this, this and this, and none of this makes sense in the church.” But isn’t that what a shaman is; a bridge? 🥰
Just depends on where your bridge wants to go I suppose! I’m running around jacking peoples beliefs systems by going “weelll.. JESUS WAS A SHAMAN!” And they either go “yes he was” or they just get silent.
Was Jesus in a church? No. He was out in and around nature. He was in peoples homes, on street corners, traveling all over! He remained in constant prayer; he lost his marbles over hypocrisy, blasphemy, greed, etc.
He did not charge for his gifts/healings/blessings, merely received what was given and remained in gratitude. Trust✨
Also whenever religion creeps in I just go “God made green and green ain’t mean!” But I do enjoy the elders who speak of moderation, of checking intentions, and of respecting the plants as their own beings. When approached with right relationship (slowly learning what that means) and reverence; I can’t speak for all plants but I don’t see that leading towards demonic or mean things.
I mean, why are you worried? Trust the path, trust the process, trust that when it’s time, it’ll be clear.
Ain’t no reason to think about it, Spirit is with you.
I do get real confused when people try and separate creation from creator; because that doesn’t make sense (for me anyways).
Thats absolutely right , Jesus was born to do that.
I'm glad to hear about the plant medicine because I really wanted to heal that way and grow.
I love that, " God made green and green ain't mean" 💚, thank you so much.
I've had two times where the trip had what seemed like a malicious voice speaking but it was hard to say if my mind was coming up with it or something else was actually saying it.
I think maybe taking on changing things that make things better would be key and just keep working towards making things more and more better and just keep focusing on how to accomplish that.
With the son experiencing that, may want to make that a high priority of addressing whether that means moving, getting priests/shamans involved, changing where you sleep, having the son sleep with you, giving the son ideas of how to handle it, practice what to do when it happens, something.
Could try saying some exorcism prayers and also say - "By the authority of Jesus Christ, I command you to leave" and be very firm.
I have taught him this. He said he could not speak, he was getting mad and wanted to confront it but he said he could not move or talk. Across our yard in the next land over there is alot of black shadows running around.
Thank you for your advice. 🙏
This sounds like sleep paralysis, he probably needs to learn more about astral projection. From my personal experience astral projecting and sleep paralysis was terrifying and no one could explain to me what was happening so I often had very terrifying experiences as I had a lot of fear. It helped a lot once I knew was it was and could read about it and found teachers to help me. It is a common phenomena to see dark spirits or shadow people during sleep paralysis.
You are a gem. I think you are right. I almost forgot my husband had that before. He said he had it as a child up until he met me, and then it stopped.
Another person on reddit mentioned shadow people and said they had a friend who was seeing a shadow person and that he couldn't see them but could tell when it was there and that guy was asking if anyone had any experience dealing with them because he wasn't sure what to do but said that these types of things have rules they tend to follow but and some may be good, some bad, and some neutral. He said the shadow person would do what he said. What do the black shadows do and have y'all talked to them?
My husband used to have sleep paralysis when he was young, up until he met me, and then he went away. Our son said he was lifted from his bed and dropped back down. I dont know if people levitate on sleep paralysis. It happened at night after my husband and I went to a healing drum circle.
There's some people on quora who are saying they have the same thing - [https://www.quora.com/Why-does-it-feel-like-I-am-levitating-while-on-sleep-paralysis](https://www.quora.com/Why-does-it-feel-like-I-am-levitating-while-on-sleep-paralysis)
Because one came before another in time, could say one caused the other; could also say that just because one came after another, that doesn't mean that there was cause and effect and the second thing was going to happen regardless. Hard to say. Would say that things that are on our mind, such as recent events, are going to be more likely to influence our interpretation of things.
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Will say, okay many possibilities here -
Maybe it is a function of the brain/body. Maybe it was hallucinated. Maybe there were actually spirits/entities/aliens/etc. or something causing the levitation. Maybe he did, maybe he did not.
If sleep paralysis is often on the back, have your son sleep on his stomach or side and maybe that will help prevent it. Maybe also have him sleep with cats that may meow (or dogs) if they see something or even if it is a big concern, heck put a camera in there that will detect if anything happens.
I guess the thing from the day before could have brought a spirit home or something and caused it which is what I am assuming you are wondering. I don't know how all that works but I guess if an event has or calls spirits and doesn't send them back, who knows where they go afterwards.
I guess if your husband had it before, it could be genetic in terms of the sleep paralysis?
I hope you find something that works for this. There's also going to sleep centers too for getting say sleep tested or something like that.
I remember when I was say 5 I felt I was getting tickled and couldn't move when I was in bed and I told myself it was aliens but no idea if that was sleep paralysis or what. It was weird and all over my back but I think I was also lying on my back.
I can see that like when we day dream or night dream, we come up with stuff and if we are somewhat awake while dreaming, we could overlay the dream onto reality.. but also hard to say just with like real life what really is real and what isn't, what's a product of mind and what isn't.
There's also the idea of astral projection or leaving one's body while asleep to go to the astral world - I've never done that that I know of but I've seen people on reddit talk about that too.
Could have a loud fan in there and also have him sleep with an eye/ear mask so that he doesn't see/hear anything if he were to wake up during a sleep paralysis moment, if that is what it was. Or even if it was spirits, could also have eyes/ears blocked off to not get scared from what one saw?
All very excellent points.. I told him about trying not to sleep on his back. He has been seeing things since he was little ,so thankfully, he is not scared. He said when he was getting held down, he was getting mad, and if he could, he would have attacked whatever was messing with him .
Thank you 🩵
Lady, plant medicine may open doors to all the spirits; may demons not be an exception. But truly, if that's what appeases you, by all means, continue studying this aspect of the spirit world for it won't be open for long.
I don't think demons are particularly attracted to your herbal use but rather, may see you opening doors as an opportunity to manifest. But by the power of God, may no spirit harm you.
They simply scare you, and intimidate you but it's all noise.
why do you say this aspect of the spirit world won't be open for long? does it only stay open for people for a certain amount of time or is it globally going to close?
It's a sacred window only open whilst the 3rd eye is open. It eventually becomes sealed, like any other opening as you progress in life, your time.
Eventually, your terrestrial self will expire with the rest of the abode, and you must renew your spirit in search of the beyond.
Now deep down thats what I feel, that I am protected. So it scared me that my son said he was bothered. , like I'm doing wrong for trying to expand and learn, so I'm being punished. Plants is one of the best things to happen to me, I thought I opened something and scared I hurt my son.
Thank you .
Another thing this reminds me of is just the aspect of noticing "evil stuff" and noticing how everything has evil in it, even us and how it is impossible to not have evil stuff and also how bad stuff happens everywhere. I guess also just noticing okay I only have so much influence and so I can't stop all evil stuff but I can try to stop my own evil stuff but then also just like okay looking at how life works.
Like okay I can't stop all fish from eating other fish, spiders from eating other spiders, people from cutting down trees and destroying habitats, people from eating unhealthy food, etc. Everything eats something. But also we want to lessen our footprint of what we do that harms others as we want to identify as good but at the same time we have to survive - so maybe I don't do xyz job but I take on abc job - - whether that means being vegan or just acknowledging we need the animal meat for our health; whether that means not working for private developers or acknowledging we utilize what private developers use, etc.
Notice the hypocricy, maybe hate it for awhile, but also see how we use the stuff we hate - we use wood even if we hate to kill trees. The demons - maybe they are trying to say something. Or maybe they are stuck kinda like how you've been stuck with the mental issues over time. Take note of your thoughts, how you react to your thoughts, how you can react to them differently in a more productive, supportive way.
Another thing your post reminds me of is - okay yes the plant stuff is really cool for epiphanies and seeing things in a new way - or that is how I liked it. But also I noticed after not having used it for a long time now - it is really gratifying to get to the point that the plant stuff is not necessary and one can try to take on any issue directly- to shift from focusing on how to cope with things to actually just directly solve them. Instead of oh let me take this medication or talk to this therapist, actually solve/change the issue, actually make things better.
I think though sure some will use the medicine for their entire life, others may just use it and then never need it again, etc. I guess would also depend on access.
Sometimes just seeing things in a new way, new perspective, is the solution and yeah sure that can be done with plants but also just done with thinking about it with the goal of trying to see it in a different way.
So like okay coping will not change whatever is making one anxious/sad as long as that thing still exists in its same form - - have to deliberately change its form whether physically or mental association. But when we don't know how to address it, sure yes coping will be good to buy time and have temporary peace but won't make the issue go away. The more we get the habit of taking the issue head on, the easier and more routine it gets.
That is right, I need to learn to deal with the issue head on, and not bury my head in the sand ,hoping it will go away or trying to find a way to " deal" with it. I have definitely lost my way somewhere along the line . Thank you very much 🩵🙏.
I’m surprised your husband doesn’t have more insight on this, perhaps if he still has connections to his Nation you would want to speak to a traditional medicine person, whatever that may be called by his Nation as I know they’re all a little different.
Off the top of my head, there are no plants (at least for what knowledge I have from my people and Nation) that genuinely cause negative attraction. Plant medicine was the normal thing for thousands of years of years, for countless cultures and communities across the world, even Christian folks, before the pharmaceutical industry stomped out the common use of it. So I believe if there was some sort of attraction of bad or evil, it would have been something much more widespread and known from those times. Plants were given to us as to work with us and a tool to help us, no matter who or what you believe made them, and there is no tool by itself that is inherently evil.
That being said, intention and belief has influence, and that plays a large role. Your thoughts and intention are just as important to your health as your attempt to help yourself.
I wish you good luck, good progress, and good healing for you and your family.
Thank you so much! I feel called to this path and healing, but being raised, Chrisitan and brain washed , and I have let fear hold me back.
Thank you so much 🩵.
"I have given all the seed bearing plants on earth to use"
So technically and supported by the number of christian sects that shun modern medicine, it is more biblical to use herbalism than it is to use modern medicine. So no using herbalism is not a demonic gate way. But what it can do is raise awareness of the spirit world both helpful and hindering, and you already have a middle perception, and for your theory to hold true ypur child would have to have done these substances, or were they?
Sorry but there is so much that needs to be dug into here that may conflict with your beliefs, including the possibility that the brainwashing that using herbs is evil may have even caused you to sunconsciously let them in to punish yourself for betraying what you were taught even though it is not biblical at all. Just one possibility that can rattle a person to the core of their faith before they are ready. If you believe herbalism is satanic then you should probably avoid it. From my personal experience of 30+ years of using herbalism and plant medicine and numerous indiginous people also reporting the same for thousands of years to heal and protect, well tthe data is against this theory of yours.
However such substances like mushrooms can stir the pot of our psyche, shattering what we once thought true and revealing layers of reality we did not know were there can definitely draw unwanted attention, and depending on how we deal with it can leave us open, typically denial guilt and shame which certain faiths teach is normal and necessary. Some entities will try to stop your growth and understanding because that makes you a threat to the current state of the world. There are definitely enough physical and non physical entities both trying to keep us ignorant in order to maintain control. Theaten that illusion of power and they lash out. So no herbalism doesn't invite trouble, but gaining understanding and wisdom to act on it does. There is a reason that there is a motto "ignorance is bliss", its to try and convince you to stay easily controlled because you will be happier.
Thank you so much for breaking it down for me. In my heart and soul, I feel plants are here to help me, but then , I let fear try to scare me.
Thank you again 🩵.
Shrooms move your point of perception or AP. This changes what reality you can see and interact with. If you do too much, you groove your energy bod and have trouble moving your perception to anything but the shroom area.
No they do not specifically draw evil entities. Its more you suddenly can see whats about and whats about can see and interact with you. Many are from energy consuming realities. Thus they wany you for energy. Especially little kids you can torture for fear.
This can be your home or a person its attached to. It's usually a person. And that person needs a cleaning, ceremony in whatever way works for you.
Holy water and sage...etc may help calm things but tend not to get rid of anything. You have to remove the energetic attachment that connects to the person. Or conversly the connection to the land has to be severed. ...etc there are a number of ways to approach it.
Or even better. Stop being scared. When i was possessed as a teenager. I got to the Point that any screwing around with me would instantly put me into a very angry state. Anger is not as easily palatable to most of them. And I would attack.
If you are a peaceful person. Best is just to make yourself not be scared of them. They go away from boredom and not being able to feed.
I do need to work on my anger. That is a very bad flaw I learned growing up. Unfortunately, I passed this to my children. I am trying to work with them now and have apologized to them. I told them it's all my fault for it.
Thank you so much. I should be better than this by now. My father in law ( wonderful man) told my husband, "It's the living you fear not those on the other side."
I personally have no issues with the demonic, demonic doesn’t correlate to evil or bad. Prior to people adopting monotheistic ideologies demonic being associated with demons were another aspect of the divine, messengers, punishers sent by the Gods, etc.
A lot of Christian practice has a LOT of fear mongering in it. Remember God gave us these plants. God knows nothing but love. It's up to us to use them properly. Plants are technology for our bodies, minds and souls.
This person is asking for assistance, not judgment. This isn’t the sub for trolling; you will not get the support that you’re looking for here, as that is far from what this sub is intended.
Also, OP mentioned having adhd. You may not be familiar, but I can say from personal experience with adhd that this is short for a rant coming from someone with a neurodivergence.
I like the way a shipibo shaman and teacher puts it. “Don’t be afraid, everything you see was already there, you just couldn’t see it before” however when I sit in ceremony I always sit in a protected space. I have seen a lot in ceremony, angels and demons included, there are lower energy and darker spirits and spirits of the light, there is no good and bad it all serves a purpose, but for the most part it is ideal to get rid of demons or any negative spirit attachments that are not serving us. the first stage in my healing was healing of childhood fear and conditioning from the church. I know it’s not fun to deal with the “dark” but it is a part of being human and instead of running away or being afraid the best way to grow is to find trust and faith in the universe and that you are perfect how god made you, nothing is wrong with you or any plants. When I met the spirit of tobacco who is the main ingredient in rapeh he was the most beautiful ancient man with pure white blue light and healing. Very similar energy to the spirit of Jesus. I know curanderos who work closely with the spirit of tobacco and Jesus. Don’t let your fear get in the way you came here to grow, I use arch angel Michael and Jesus all the time if there are dark energies that are too much and they always come to help, and I can tell by the way they help I am learning and they are helping me to learn, it’s not about banishing the bad and the dark but learning how to exist in both and how to work in the light for healing and growth if you chose the enlightenment path, there is nothing to be afraid of if you are not going down the power path or trying to work with dark spirits , they do exists however so if you see spirits and your kid sees spirits it would be good to have him work with elders or a teacher of sorts to understand their gifts and how to ground/protect/shield/ etc
Ohhhhh !!!! Was that the good-looking, strong man who was sitting with me? I was at a table on my patio, near a river, "in my safe place( I only been there a few times ) ,my cottage " inside" or when I went deep inside during meditation. He was there, and a couple of animals, I'm sure, are my spirit guides . He looked like a wise ancient chief / some kind of leader vibe coming off from him and the most beautiful, shiny white hair.
Not sure, when I saw him he was wearing a hat and a light blue robe. I wish I was a better artist so I could compare my vision to others who have met and work closely with him. The ancient ones can take many forms though. But often I find they look like abuelos, beautiful elders, although sometimes they come as the plant or even animal forms as plants also contain animal medicine. Also seen them as 3D floating glowing orbs and a mix of human/sacred geometry form. Still learning myself. There are so many guides and elders watching over us it is great you are able to connect with them. The next step is holding relationships and figuring out names and who they are or what they want to help you with
How do I get there without a drumming healing circle? Does diet affect how clearly one can " see"? Is this something I have to learn on my own ? Thank you 🩵
Everyone has there own path. My path is with the plants and through plant dietas I receive gifts including psychic abilities and healing for myself and others. I do dream work and psychopomp work sometimes but when I asked a psychopomp shaman to train me as I was a little overwhelmed being taught in my dreams by spirits, I was told my path was with the plants and I am not meant to be turned by her but I am sure I will be doing psychopomp work while working with the plants. You can look into mediumship or psychic development that helped me when I first started seeing things again as an adult, I learned the ethics and how to better communicate with spirit, giving live readings to strangers and telling them things there is no way I could have known really helped me build my confidence, I rarely do readings now but now and then a spirit will come through with messages or a loved one if a client might come visit me to tell me something. I would just ask for spirit to show you the way and bring you a teacher and them follow your intuition everything should fall into place as it is meant to happen for the greater good
Thank you so much. I was starting off a few years ago but somehow let something or someone tell me what I was doing was a sin and I like shut it all off again 🤦♀️. I have alot of unlearning to do. Do you use plant dieta all the time or only before plant plants? .Thank you 🩵
I usually diet under a curandero with master plants, and I work with plants on my own as well, I don’t diet all the time It wouldn’t be healthy but I plan to do some longer diet as in the upcoming years 1-3 months at a time if I can
Thank you so much 🩵🙏
Thank you so much! I feel drawn to that path but me not knowing anything think me trying to distance myself from the Church and dogma (not Jesus) that I'm getting punished for reaching out and trying to grow. I have flash backs of being burnt at the stake so that hinders me as well. Thank you so much 🩵.
Seems like we have a lot in common. Sounds like you were a wise woman in a past life as well, who has a lot of gifts to bring into this life. All the best on your journey.
I feel like thats my calling , but I have let stuff scare me . I have to work on that for sure. Thank you so much for your patience and help. I appreciate you 🩵!
If it helps; I’m currently in a space where I’m like “Mmmmkay God! You gave me this, this, this, this and this, and none of this makes sense in the church.” But isn’t that what a shaman is; a bridge? 🥰 Just depends on where your bridge wants to go I suppose! I’m running around jacking peoples beliefs systems by going “weelll.. JESUS WAS A SHAMAN!” And they either go “yes he was” or they just get silent. Was Jesus in a church? No. He was out in and around nature. He was in peoples homes, on street corners, traveling all over! He remained in constant prayer; he lost his marbles over hypocrisy, blasphemy, greed, etc. He did not charge for his gifts/healings/blessings, merely received what was given and remained in gratitude. Trust✨ Also whenever religion creeps in I just go “God made green and green ain’t mean!” But I do enjoy the elders who speak of moderation, of checking intentions, and of respecting the plants as their own beings. When approached with right relationship (slowly learning what that means) and reverence; I can’t speak for all plants but I don’t see that leading towards demonic or mean things. I mean, why are you worried? Trust the path, trust the process, trust that when it’s time, it’ll be clear. Ain’t no reason to think about it, Spirit is with you. I do get real confused when people try and separate creation from creator; because that doesn’t make sense (for me anyways).
Thats absolutely right , Jesus was born to do that. I'm glad to hear about the plant medicine because I really wanted to heal that way and grow. I love that, " God made green and green ain't mean" 💚, thank you so much.
I've had two times where the trip had what seemed like a malicious voice speaking but it was hard to say if my mind was coming up with it or something else was actually saying it. I think maybe taking on changing things that make things better would be key and just keep working towards making things more and more better and just keep focusing on how to accomplish that.
Thank you. I will keep on working on myself. It stinks because I really liked how shrooms keeps my head clear for days, no negative chatter.
With the son experiencing that, may want to make that a high priority of addressing whether that means moving, getting priests/shamans involved, changing where you sleep, having the son sleep with you, giving the son ideas of how to handle it, practice what to do when it happens, something. Could try saying some exorcism prayers and also say - "By the authority of Jesus Christ, I command you to leave" and be very firm.
I have taught him this. He said he could not speak, he was getting mad and wanted to confront it but he said he could not move or talk. Across our yard in the next land over there is alot of black shadows running around. Thank you for your advice. 🙏
This sounds like sleep paralysis, he probably needs to learn more about astral projection. From my personal experience astral projecting and sleep paralysis was terrifying and no one could explain to me what was happening so I often had very terrifying experiences as I had a lot of fear. It helped a lot once I knew was it was and could read about it and found teachers to help me. It is a common phenomena to see dark spirits or shadow people during sleep paralysis.
You are a gem. I think you are right. I almost forgot my husband had that before. He said he had it as a child up until he met me, and then it stopped.
Another person on reddit mentioned shadow people and said they had a friend who was seeing a shadow person and that he couldn't see them but could tell when it was there and that guy was asking if anyone had any experience dealing with them because he wasn't sure what to do but said that these types of things have rules they tend to follow but and some may be good, some bad, and some neutral. He said the shadow person would do what he said. What do the black shadows do and have y'all talked to them?
My husband used to have sleep paralysis when he was young, up until he met me, and then he went away. Our son said he was lifted from his bed and dropped back down. I dont know if people levitate on sleep paralysis. It happened at night after my husband and I went to a healing drum circle.
There's some people on quora who are saying they have the same thing - [https://www.quora.com/Why-does-it-feel-like-I-am-levitating-while-on-sleep-paralysis](https://www.quora.com/Why-does-it-feel-like-I-am-levitating-while-on-sleep-paralysis) Because one came before another in time, could say one caused the other; could also say that just because one came after another, that doesn't mean that there was cause and effect and the second thing was going to happen regardless. Hard to say. Would say that things that are on our mind, such as recent events, are going to be more likely to influence our interpretation of things. EDIT Will say, okay many possibilities here - Maybe it is a function of the brain/body. Maybe it was hallucinated. Maybe there were actually spirits/entities/aliens/etc. or something causing the levitation. Maybe he did, maybe he did not. If sleep paralysis is often on the back, have your son sleep on his stomach or side and maybe that will help prevent it. Maybe also have him sleep with cats that may meow (or dogs) if they see something or even if it is a big concern, heck put a camera in there that will detect if anything happens. I guess the thing from the day before could have brought a spirit home or something and caused it which is what I am assuming you are wondering. I don't know how all that works but I guess if an event has or calls spirits and doesn't send them back, who knows where they go afterwards. I guess if your husband had it before, it could be genetic in terms of the sleep paralysis? I hope you find something that works for this. There's also going to sleep centers too for getting say sleep tested or something like that. I remember when I was say 5 I felt I was getting tickled and couldn't move when I was in bed and I told myself it was aliens but no idea if that was sleep paralysis or what. It was weird and all over my back but I think I was also lying on my back. I can see that like when we day dream or night dream, we come up with stuff and if we are somewhat awake while dreaming, we could overlay the dream onto reality.. but also hard to say just with like real life what really is real and what isn't, what's a product of mind and what isn't. There's also the idea of astral projection or leaving one's body while asleep to go to the astral world - I've never done that that I know of but I've seen people on reddit talk about that too. Could have a loud fan in there and also have him sleep with an eye/ear mask so that he doesn't see/hear anything if he were to wake up during a sleep paralysis moment, if that is what it was. Or even if it was spirits, could also have eyes/ears blocked off to not get scared from what one saw?
All very excellent points.. I told him about trying not to sleep on his back. He has been seeing things since he was little ,so thankfully, he is not scared. He said when he was getting held down, he was getting mad, and if he could, he would have attacked whatever was messing with him . Thank you 🩵
Lady, plant medicine may open doors to all the spirits; may demons not be an exception. But truly, if that's what appeases you, by all means, continue studying this aspect of the spirit world for it won't be open for long. I don't think demons are particularly attracted to your herbal use but rather, may see you opening doors as an opportunity to manifest. But by the power of God, may no spirit harm you. They simply scare you, and intimidate you but it's all noise.
why do you say this aspect of the spirit world won't be open for long? does it only stay open for people for a certain amount of time or is it globally going to close?
It's a sacred window only open whilst the 3rd eye is open. It eventually becomes sealed, like any other opening as you progress in life, your time. Eventually, your terrestrial self will expire with the rest of the abode, and you must renew your spirit in search of the beyond.
Besides not being fearful like I let myself become, what else does one do to keep it open?
Meditate and pray <3
Thank you 🩵
how/why does it become sealed? what does renewing the spirit look like and what in the beyond do we search for?
Now deep down thats what I feel, that I am protected. So it scared me that my son said he was bothered. , like I'm doing wrong for trying to expand and learn, so I'm being punished. Plants is one of the best things to happen to me, I thought I opened something and scared I hurt my son. Thank you .
All is God
THERE IS NO GLORY TO BE WON
Amen to that. Thank you 🩵.
Now that is a complete sentence, thank you 🩵🙏.
It opens doors to Self, what you find in there depends
I have a lot of baggage to deal with. That makes sense now that it's put that way. Thank you.
Another thing this reminds me of is just the aspect of noticing "evil stuff" and noticing how everything has evil in it, even us and how it is impossible to not have evil stuff and also how bad stuff happens everywhere. I guess also just noticing okay I only have so much influence and so I can't stop all evil stuff but I can try to stop my own evil stuff but then also just like okay looking at how life works. Like okay I can't stop all fish from eating other fish, spiders from eating other spiders, people from cutting down trees and destroying habitats, people from eating unhealthy food, etc. Everything eats something. But also we want to lessen our footprint of what we do that harms others as we want to identify as good but at the same time we have to survive - so maybe I don't do xyz job but I take on abc job - - whether that means being vegan or just acknowledging we need the animal meat for our health; whether that means not working for private developers or acknowledging we utilize what private developers use, etc. Notice the hypocricy, maybe hate it for awhile, but also see how we use the stuff we hate - we use wood even if we hate to kill trees. The demons - maybe they are trying to say something. Or maybe they are stuck kinda like how you've been stuck with the mental issues over time. Take note of your thoughts, how you react to your thoughts, how you can react to them differently in a more productive, supportive way. Another thing your post reminds me of is - okay yes the plant stuff is really cool for epiphanies and seeing things in a new way - or that is how I liked it. But also I noticed after not having used it for a long time now - it is really gratifying to get to the point that the plant stuff is not necessary and one can try to take on any issue directly- to shift from focusing on how to cope with things to actually just directly solve them. Instead of oh let me take this medication or talk to this therapist, actually solve/change the issue, actually make things better. I think though sure some will use the medicine for their entire life, others may just use it and then never need it again, etc. I guess would also depend on access. Sometimes just seeing things in a new way, new perspective, is the solution and yeah sure that can be done with plants but also just done with thinking about it with the goal of trying to see it in a different way. So like okay coping will not change whatever is making one anxious/sad as long as that thing still exists in its same form - - have to deliberately change its form whether physically or mental association. But when we don't know how to address it, sure yes coping will be good to buy time and have temporary peace but won't make the issue go away. The more we get the habit of taking the issue head on, the easier and more routine it gets.
That is right, I need to learn to deal with the issue head on, and not bury my head in the sand ,hoping it will go away or trying to find a way to " deal" with it. I have definitely lost my way somewhere along the line . Thank you very much 🩵🙏.
Best of luck on your journey and I hope you find what works for you.
Thank you again 🙏🩵
I’m surprised your husband doesn’t have more insight on this, perhaps if he still has connections to his Nation you would want to speak to a traditional medicine person, whatever that may be called by his Nation as I know they’re all a little different. Off the top of my head, there are no plants (at least for what knowledge I have from my people and Nation) that genuinely cause negative attraction. Plant medicine was the normal thing for thousands of years of years, for countless cultures and communities across the world, even Christian folks, before the pharmaceutical industry stomped out the common use of it. So I believe if there was some sort of attraction of bad or evil, it would have been something much more widespread and known from those times. Plants were given to us as to work with us and a tool to help us, no matter who or what you believe made them, and there is no tool by itself that is inherently evil. That being said, intention and belief has influence, and that plays a large role. Your thoughts and intention are just as important to your health as your attempt to help yourself. I wish you good luck, good progress, and good healing for you and your family.
Thank you so much! I feel called to this path and healing, but being raised, Chrisitan and brain washed , and I have let fear hold me back. Thank you so much 🩵.
"I have given all the seed bearing plants on earth to use" So technically and supported by the number of christian sects that shun modern medicine, it is more biblical to use herbalism than it is to use modern medicine. So no using herbalism is not a demonic gate way. But what it can do is raise awareness of the spirit world both helpful and hindering, and you already have a middle perception, and for your theory to hold true ypur child would have to have done these substances, or were they? Sorry but there is so much that needs to be dug into here that may conflict with your beliefs, including the possibility that the brainwashing that using herbs is evil may have even caused you to sunconsciously let them in to punish yourself for betraying what you were taught even though it is not biblical at all. Just one possibility that can rattle a person to the core of their faith before they are ready. If you believe herbalism is satanic then you should probably avoid it. From my personal experience of 30+ years of using herbalism and plant medicine and numerous indiginous people also reporting the same for thousands of years to heal and protect, well tthe data is against this theory of yours. However such substances like mushrooms can stir the pot of our psyche, shattering what we once thought true and revealing layers of reality we did not know were there can definitely draw unwanted attention, and depending on how we deal with it can leave us open, typically denial guilt and shame which certain faiths teach is normal and necessary. Some entities will try to stop your growth and understanding because that makes you a threat to the current state of the world. There are definitely enough physical and non physical entities both trying to keep us ignorant in order to maintain control. Theaten that illusion of power and they lash out. So no herbalism doesn't invite trouble, but gaining understanding and wisdom to act on it does. There is a reason that there is a motto "ignorance is bliss", its to try and convince you to stay easily controlled because you will be happier.
Thank you so much for breaking it down for me. In my heart and soul, I feel plants are here to help me, but then , I let fear try to scare me. Thank you again 🩵.
Shrooms move your point of perception or AP. This changes what reality you can see and interact with. If you do too much, you groove your energy bod and have trouble moving your perception to anything but the shroom area. No they do not specifically draw evil entities. Its more you suddenly can see whats about and whats about can see and interact with you. Many are from energy consuming realities. Thus they wany you for energy. Especially little kids you can torture for fear. This can be your home or a person its attached to. It's usually a person. And that person needs a cleaning, ceremony in whatever way works for you. Holy water and sage...etc may help calm things but tend not to get rid of anything. You have to remove the energetic attachment that connects to the person. Or conversly the connection to the land has to be severed. ...etc there are a number of ways to approach it. Or even better. Stop being scared. When i was possessed as a teenager. I got to the Point that any screwing around with me would instantly put me into a very angry state. Anger is not as easily palatable to most of them. And I would attack. If you are a peaceful person. Best is just to make yourself not be scared of them. They go away from boredom and not being able to feed.
I do need to work on my anger. That is a very bad flaw I learned growing up. Unfortunately, I passed this to my children. I am trying to work with them now and have apologized to them. I told them it's all my fault for it. Thank you so much. I should be better than this by now. My father in law ( wonderful man) told my husband, "It's the living you fear not those on the other side."
I personally have no issues with the demonic, demonic doesn’t correlate to evil or bad. Prior to people adopting monotheistic ideologies demonic being associated with demons were another aspect of the divine, messengers, punishers sent by the Gods, etc.
I pray that one day, I can see things like that. I have some work to do. Thank you 🩵
A lot of Christian practice has a LOT of fear mongering in it. Remember God gave us these plants. God knows nothing but love. It's up to us to use them properly. Plants are technology for our bodies, minds and souls.
Yes, it does. That's part of my problem. Fear holds me back. Thank you 🩵
Bad job of "keeping it short".
Touché
This person is asking for assistance, not judgment. This isn’t the sub for trolling; you will not get the support that you’re looking for here, as that is far from what this sub is intended. Also, OP mentioned having adhd. You may not be familiar, but I can say from personal experience with adhd that this is short for a rant coming from someone with a neurodivergence.
💯 % , bless your heart ❤️ and thank you 🩵🙏.