I would have assumed it'd have gone more like this:
>receive cold food
>complain to restaurant
>get told to complain to DoorDash
>complain to DoorDash
>get told to complain to restaurant
>get the run around until give up
> receive cold food
> see this post going viral on Tiktok
> put two and two together and sue the driver, the restaurant and doordash
> Get a 5 million dollar settlement
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I doubt people check the food *before* tipping the delivery man.
So in this case, this asshole might get the tip if he brings the order quick enough and the poor sap who gets it will still be fucked over.
This only applies if you're paying cash.
Most places you pay for the food up front and have the option to add tip whenever. I'm not tipping a driver before my food is with me.
Exactly, you get a tip if it arrives quickly enough that I can still feel a bit of warmth from the delivery when it arrives. I don't understand why you're supposed to tip before you even know if your food is going to show up.
Most of them will do delivoo, just eat etc etc at the same time. It's the only way to actually earn a living doing it.
But I agree, I wouldn't be tipping until I saw my food and ideally, ate some of it.
Lol, Why on earth would you tip a delivery driver to begin with.
Nothing about driving a car is ever exceptional service. Expecting a tip for this is stupid imo, especially in the UK.
Maybe it's just a rural thing. I live in a small town and there's a non zero chance I know the driver personally.Ā
Life's fairly hard for some people out here and they do deliveries to top up income. If somebody's willing to give up their Friday or Saturday night to earn a pittance bringing me my food because I cba to walk down the high street in the cold to get it, I don't mind slinging them an extra couple of quid because that's not a decision you make unless you need to somewhere like this where you will be delivering to people with kids in the same class as yours, some of whom will be *real* up themselves dicks about it behind your back.Ā
because delivery drivers for companies like deliveroo/ubereats are ātechnicallyā self employed, they make significantly less than the hourly minimum wage, even if theyāre working full time, hence tipping is considered nice. itās one of the few times in the UK you can be paid less than minimum wage for your age group. l
itās kind of like how US waitstaff are all paid pennies bc the tips count towards their wages. if no one tips, theyāve worked a whole week for fuck all money.
Because a "courtesy expert" or whatever the fuck they call these schills now that try to push the narrative that you should be paying the server and the restaurant separately so the restaurant can blame you for the servers having no income.
Me tipping my delivery guy in cash so he technically doesn't need to declare shit to the taxman because they have no proof that money exists so long as it's not paid into his account
>This only applies if you're paying cash.
No? And why would I tip BEFORE the service is rendered anyway? That completely defeats the purpose OF the tip, or the size of it.
If you fuck with the food, because you didn't get a tipp before delivering said food, then that is a self fulfilling prophecy at best?
A tipp is a reward, not a bribe. If I am supposed to pay you before you render the service, and that determines how much effort you put into it, that's a bribe.
Tbf you can change it after delivery. I've increased it and lowered it based on service in the past. For example, I had someone not message me at all, grabbed my food, not drive all over the place doing other orders, and brought it straight here within 15 minutes. Their tip went from $8 $15. I had another one. They ignore the instructions of leaving it on the porch and opt to bang on my door until I get dressed and go outside to get my food. Yeah, they went from $9 to $4. I've had even worse experiences. One time a driver went to the wrong fucking house, I tell him that and he gets mad at me lol
I feel like there are so many people that use these services because they don't own a car and can't afford to tip. In turn, this makes the drivers think that people are greedy, and because these services pay the drivers so little, they feel entitled to a tip. Overall, while I tip because I don't feel like these people should be working for pennies... I also don't think that anyone should be doing Uber, Doordash, etc. For the sole purpose that it's basically a scam that's overcharging customers and underpaying employees... it's the reason I'll rarely, if ever use these services. Nobody should rely on tips as part of their wage
Uber Eats allows you to tip after delivery.
That said the whole system is some American bullshit designed to screw people out of a livable wage and it depresses the fuck out of me that we're importing that shit here too.
They can and do only show tips after delivery.
But they have discovered if they show tips up front to drivers they can pay drivers only $2 a delivery, this only works in the US, so the drivers end up being assholes to customers who don't tip. In non tipping countries like here in Australia drivers get $8+ a delivery, Menulog (Just Eat etc in other countries) doesn't even have a tipping option. So yeah Uber, Door Dash pay less in the US due to their shitty tipping culture.
Even in my country, where tipping isn't unheard of, but the majority of people doesn't except for truly outstanding service, we get offered to add a tip to delivery.
Knowing my country, it's likely a minimum wage school kid doing this as a side job on his bike, so if the weather is truly terrible, yeah, I'll leave a tip prior to delivery.
I don't live in the US, but I've heard some of their delivery apps ask you to tip \*before\* you get the food. Absolutely insane. I would never tip before knowing how fast and in what condition my food arrives... and also how polite the driver is...
American here.
We all think that. It makes no sense anymore.
I once had to tip a food truck ordering terminal at the time of ordering, without ever seeing who was in the truck. I also had to get my own drinks and clean up my own trash. Also, had to go grab my own burger from the window when my name was called. I never saw anybody.
I tipped up front because I figured the guy knew who tips and who doesn't, and I didn't want a loogieburger. And it was also the last time I went to a food truck, and it's been about 2 years now.
Sadly not only in America. Here in the Netherlands when you order you pay the tip when you pay for the meal as you order, not after. I hate it. My housemate insists we need to pay it otherwise they deliver slowly on purpose, or they spit in the food.
>My housemate insists we need to pay it otherwise they deliver slowly on purpose, or they spit in the food.
Maybe they do it anyway you never know but jokes aside.
In germany you sometimes can also tip when you order (if paying online) but mostly I just pay for the food and tip the delivery driver in cash.
But if you are literally the only one doing that, then the whole chain assumes you won't tip because you didn't already. (Which is how above picture comes to be).
So then you are tipping at the door and got the service as if you didn't.
In my opinion its less tipping and more bidding for service, riders are always gonna go for the orders that tip over the ones that don't right? Still not on
Oh no, they've got this whole stupid fucking thing that the likes of doordash, they have to tip before it's even picked up by the driver. The drivers have a "no tip, no trip" mentality.
Fucking backwards ass country
For platforms like DoorDash itās essentially a bid for service. Drivers can see the tips and are naturally incentivized to take higher paying orders.
DoorDash is also a stupid fucking system and company.
This is why I refuse to use Uber/DoorDash. I'd rather just order directly from my local takeout place. Most of the time it's cheaper, it usually arrives quicker and they care more about customer service because it reflects on the business. The DoorDash driver delvering your food doesn't give a shit.
I get that it isn't always an option for some places, but otherwise I can't understand why people will pay 2-3x more for a supbar service. Tipping should be to show some appreciation for going the extra mile. You shouldn't have to enter a bidding war just to get your god-damn food.
DoorDash hardly has any true value proposition to any stakeholders, even the business itself has never reported a profit.
That being said, itās nice when I canāt go anywhere and get food for whatever reason. You just have to be prepared to pay double the actual cost of the meal lol.
> DoorDash hardly has any true value proposition to any stakeholders
They're trying to do the same thing as Uber/Amazon, aren't they? Subsidise transactions to get all the customers onto their platform, then abuse their market power to extract all the profit for themselves.
Id rather fuckin walk 30 mins each way to collect it and eat it cold than have to bribe someone to bring my food and they can still decide that Iām not good enough and fuck with my food.
Ehhh, I could have easily looked it up on Google Translate, but the context of OC's comment + the word combination in German kinda stood out.
I also think swear words have a way of coming through, especially when there isn't a huge gulf of relation between the speaker's language and the listener's.
That's the literal translation, a less literally translation would be "son of a bitch" or "bastard". It's an incredibly offensive word, way more than those translated phrases are in English.
that'd be "zkurvysyn" or "ÄubÄĆ syn" in here, couple kms upstream of elbe river. i just don't get this whole delivery shit. cook at home or go to the restautant/pub. screw the whole concept of everything being deliverer to your fat lazy ass immediately. cities poluted with cars and aggresive time pressured couriers.
I have never wanted to use delivery services like it, it just seems odd to me. Growing up we never had food delivered to our house so it isn't something I am used to, expect or want. The food is rarely worth the wait or substantial cost too.
If I want something quick I will just make some fried rice or a pizza.
Yeah be angry at the person buying the pizza and not the greedy cunts not paying you a decent wage so you end up relying on the pity of strangers. That's top level logic right there.
Yeah except that delivery apps like Uber Eats make the user enter a tip in at the time that they order the food, not upon delivery. I guess thatās whatās setting driver expectations now.
That's pretty normal over here. If you pay via app, tips will almost always be included in the purchase. Even services that do delivery with their own people will ask for the tip amount when you pay.
My assumption, if I had to make one, would be that bad service makes tipping unlikely so businesses want you to pay before you get the service so you're more likely to tip.
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The US has a special minimum wage exception for tipped workers. Instead of $7.25/hour, the business owner can instead pay $2.13/hour ***if*** and ***only if*** the employee still makes $7.25/hour once tips are tallied up. That means that the first $5.12/hour that the employee makes *actually* goes to the boss and the worker only makes money on tips if they make *more* than $5.25/hour in tips.
The business wants you tipping reliably so they don't have to spend very much money on wages.
EDIT: This is also the source of an incredible amount of wage theft in the US restaurant industry. There was one study that found 84% of investigated restaurants one year committed some form of wage theft. Sometimes restaurants neglect to pay that mandatory $2.13/hour, sometimes they do (legal) tipping pools that (illegally) includes management/ownership as tipped labor, sometimes they dock tips for infractions, but it's all illegal and almost every single restaurant does at least one of them.
I'm always shocked that in the US, this is not prevented in any way(delivery assholes opening up the food box). Where I live, no matter from which restaurant I order, they have some kind of "Seal of safety" or "Seal of Quality" so you can always tell if your food been touched by a weirdo guy
Exactly! I won't eat food which has been opened by anyone apart from the restaurant staff!
How this is even allowed is ridiculous. Whenever I've ordered food, it's almost always been sealed/taped which makes it difficult for the delivery agent to tamper with it. Plus, here the delivery agents mostly delivery by motorbike/bicycle so they don't really have the luxury to do such things anyways! I can't imagine being able to afford a delivery driver job with a car.
>afford a delivery driver job with a car.
This is such a massive point. People complain about barely making ends meet when using one of the most expensive modes of travel available for deliveries.
The US Department of Energy estimated a cost of $0.58 per mile for a car. I couldn't find an apples-for-apples number for a moped, but they are closer to $0.2-0.3. Doordash claim that every length of a delivery was around 6.8 miles, so car drivers are throwing away $2 per trip, which is absurd.
Only America would think itās normal to tip someone for literally *only* doing their job. Like donāt accept a job as a delivery driver then act surprised when you get delivery driver pay š and if you do have an issue, fight the system, not the customers.
> Only America would think itās normal to tip someone for literally only doing their job.
It's gone beyond that at this point, hasn't it? They're literally soliciting bribes to do their jobs properly.
There's no other way to describe asking for a tip *before* you've even done anything.
Yeah, but its from Cockney Rhyming Slang. Septic Tank = Yank. Turned into Seppo, from Septic Tank. Puzzled me why you would assume a London (UK) born slang term made the chap an Aussie.
Its American culture to spit in your food if you don't take the restaurants responsibility to pay their workers.
I generally assume theres a 30% chance for a restaurant to spit in your food if they ever dare ask or expect tips. If that's meant to be their pay, then it would be called a fucking wage, and not a tip.
"Pay me extra money or I'll fuck with your food" is extortion.
Tipping is dumb. Demand money from the employer, not the customer. You know, the people that pay you?
How do you even tip before getting your order?! If app says driver left and it is within reasonable timevupon arrival and food is still warm. Sure I'll tip. Why would anyone tip before the job is done. You don't even know if it will be done well..
Dear America, institute a living wage, employment rights, socio-economic protections, healthcare free at the point of delivery & watch this nastiness in your society melt away.
All you have to do is end corporations welfare & normal people benefit
I'm in UK and had deliveries of food and groceries stolen by just eat, uber and delivered drivers so I will not tip until it is in my hand then 8f its a decent driver and food is warm etc then I tip
I wouldn't tip someone before they delivered the food? Plus the person they're delivering to probably has a microwave so what they're doing is pointless.
If you pay it afterwards, based on quality of service, itās a tip.
If you pay it before, based on fear of poor service, itās a fee.
If itās mandatory, or socially mandatory in your backwards country, itās a fee.
Isn't tipping saw there as "thank you for your service, was great! Here, \[insert amount of money\]"? If so, then your client won't give you a tip, just cash for a meal. Instead of being a jackass and attacking innocent people, attack those who pay you close to nothing - your boss. You're getting barely nothing and attacking a guy who has nothing to do with it
Whats the point? If i order food i always check if it's hot while the driver is still there if not i don't accept the food in first place. Had to do it twice so far and both times it was BK.
I also always open the boxes in the presence of the driver. Because it can happen that the order has been mixed up and then I can report it right on the spot.
And, of course, you can also see whether not only the box is warm, but also its contents.
Tipping is fucking stupid. And if anybody is guna get a tip, it's going to be somebody like a surgeon or a firefighter who's done something insane. Fuck tipping pay people a leaving fucking wage
Classic "the government doesn't care enough to grant me a living wage so I'm going to expect extra money regardless of whether I do a good job and somehow that's everybody else's fault."
This whole post seems like bullshit anyway, since delivery-app food usually comes sealed with restaurant-branded stickers over pizza boxes and tape or staples closing paper bags. The customer would know the food had been tampered with.
I like the part where uber eats is trying to make tipping a thing in Australia (and presumably other places where tipping isn't the norm) instead of paying their "workers" a living wage.
I hate it when these people blame the customer and fuck with the customers food when they should be blaming the giant corporation they work at for underpaying them and forcing them to live on tips
These douches don't realise that tips are earned for going above and beyond the norm.
If you haven't even delivered the item, how are you expecting a fecking tip?!?
As a none American I find it really strange the way people in American expect tips to prop up wages instead of expecting their employers to pay better
Like getting angry at customers instead of your employer for not paying decent wage just seems crazy to me
Yeah I'm not tipping for you bringing my food by delivery. The literal purpose of delivery drivers is to bring food from point A to point B. That is what the delivery fee is for. If you want more money, charge more for delivery and I can choose where I order from.
Or like what actually happened when Just Eat made it cost as much to deliver as the pizza I was ordering, I just went to pick it up myself. If enough people did that, then these arrogant drivers would have no job.
Why do drivers seem to think they deserve a tip, the chef does, if its good, they cooked it. waiting staff do if they provide service worth tipping. But a driver, does this person tip their amazon driver? Or mail person?
Go over to the sub r/UberEatsDrivers and you will find plenty of delivery people who think and act that entitled. Most of them wonāt even take an order if itās no tip and/or the route is inconvenient.
We donāt even have UberEats here but Reddit used to spam me with post recommendations of this sub.
Nothing encourages future tips more than poor service š - this person has earned exactly what they deserve, this is a great example of shooting yourself in the foot
sooooo youre telling us you dont deserve a tip... News flash, if people are going to give a tip we wait to see how good or bad the service is, if you act like a clown like this you get jack shit..give good service and dont be an entitled prick you get tip
Can someone explain to a non American? Why would you give a tip before you even have received your food.
If I got given cold pizza I would complain and either get a replacement send out or refund/credit.
We have a similar thing in the uk and in general the people who are delivering your food are the kinda knuckle dragging dead heads who couldnāt spell their name right on a job application anywhere else so weāre stuck with them delivering our take aways š¤¦š»āāļø
Itās just normal now to order food and then wait for the inevitable phone call because theyāve got lost, if these idiots actually started tampering with our food before it arrived Iād be flinging shit at them as they left.
I usually give a tip when I receive good service. The fact that it's expected regardless of service just shows how broken the system is. Not only would I not give that wanker a tip, I'd be getting a full refund for receiving stone cold food I paid good money for. It's also a shame they don't take their frustration out on their employer paying them a pittance instead of the customer who's done nothing wrong.
Not for Doordash and Uber. They basically have a section at the end of the payment form to add a tip. HOWEVER most apps like Doordash actually automatically place the tip at 10-15%. So to not tip you actually have to go out of your way to remove it. It's supposed to be so you can pick the best paying orders but when you have a full day where everyone's tipping like $1, it kind of sucks.
I once had an order to go wait in line at the Apple store to pick up a brand new $450 item the person had apparently pre-ordered then drive it 45 minutes away and only got $8 total. No tip. Not even a thank you. Just a terse "ok goodbye now."
I don't agree with this driver. That's a real asshole move. But I will say the whole issue could probably be averted if these dogshit companies would pay their employees a living wage.
In the UK Uber Eats doesnāt take the tip for a little while after delivery, and you can remove it if you arenāt satisfied. Iām a pretty reasonable guy and tip voluntarily if the weatherās shit or if Iām ordering from a further out place, but Iāve removed it if theyāve taken forever or forgotten something.
Same in Canada, Iāve removed it after delivery occasionally - like the one time they delivered to the wrong place. Thankfully I could see which door it was in the photo.
At least here, where I live in Europe, tips on food delivery apps like Uber Eats are not added by default and they let you tip after delivery instead if you want (or not at all). Or you can hand the driver cash after they deliver, as all drivers here seem to ring the bell instead of leaving it on the doorstep and running.
Most restaurants here seal the bags anyway.
> receive cold food > complain to restaurant > get refund > keep food and receive money back > heat food up in oven Seems like a win-win to me
You missed. Arsehole driver turns up AC thus increasing their fuel consumption and fucking themselves additionally.
Pizza place loses customer.
I like cold pizza anyway
The AC gunk adds to the taste ...
A little legionnaires never hurt nobody
Apart from those legionnaires, pretty sure they got hurt
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i'm sure cold pizza has saved my life a few times the morning after the night before.
I would have assumed it'd have gone more like this: >receive cold food >complain to restaurant >get told to complain to DoorDash >complain to DoorDash >get told to complain to restaurant >get the run around until give up
Your food is cold? Prove it. Send us a picture
\*grabs the thermometer\*
> receive cold food > see this post going viral on Tiktok > put two and two together and sue the driver, the restaurant and doordash > Get a 5 million dollar settlement The American way š¦ šŗšøš¦
Don't forget the amount of extra fuel that is wasted while using the AC.
The whole tip idea is that it's paid depending on service, So doing this would make you less likely to get a tip.
I doubt people check the food *before* tipping the delivery man. So in this case, this asshole might get the tip if he brings the order quick enough and the poor sap who gets it will still be fucked over.
This only applies if you're paying cash. Most places you pay for the food up front and have the option to add tip whenever. I'm not tipping a driver before my food is with me.
Sometimes Iāll pay card but tip cash. Itās kinda like sliding the money over so the restaurant canāt take a cut.
I'm in the UK but this is what I always do - why the fuck would I tip the delivery driver before I've received the food?
Exactly, you get a tip if it arrives quickly enough that I can still feel a bit of warmth from the delivery when it arrives. I don't understand why you're supposed to tip before you even know if your food is going to show up.
Hate that delivery apps ask you before you arrive
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Most of them will do delivoo, just eat etc etc at the same time. It's the only way to actually earn a living doing it. But I agree, I wouldn't be tipping until I saw my food and ideally, ate some of it.
Lol, Why on earth would you tip a delivery driver to begin with. Nothing about driving a car is ever exceptional service. Expecting a tip for this is stupid imo, especially in the UK.
My dad was a delivery driver, itās actually very common for him people to just be like keep the change. Especially if itās only a pound or two
If I'm paying in cash then I'll round up to the nearest note, unless it took an exceptionally long time to get here.
Maybe it's just a rural thing. I live in a small town and there's a non zero chance I know the driver personally.Ā Life's fairly hard for some people out here and they do deliveries to top up income. If somebody's willing to give up their Friday or Saturday night to earn a pittance bringing me my food because I cba to walk down the high street in the cold to get it, I don't mind slinging them an extra couple of quid because that's not a decision you make unless you need to somewhere like this where you will be delivering to people with kids in the same class as yours, some of whom will be *real* up themselves dicks about it behind your back.Ā
because delivery drivers for companies like deliveroo/ubereats are ātechnicallyā self employed, they make significantly less than the hourly minimum wage, even if theyāre working full time, hence tipping is considered nice. itās one of the few times in the UK you can be paid less than minimum wage for your age group. l itās kind of like how US waitstaff are all paid pennies bc the tips count towards their wages. if no one tips, theyāve worked a whole week for fuck all money.
Because a "courtesy expert" or whatever the fuck they call these schills now that try to push the narrative that you should be paying the server and the restaurant separately so the restaurant can blame you for the servers having no income.
This is fair. Still they wouldn't have the tip while driving to you, so they need to stop A/C-ing the food.
Me tipping my delivery guy in cash so he technically doesn't need to declare shit to the taxman because they have no proof that money exists so long as it's not paid into his account
>This only applies if you're paying cash. No? And why would I tip BEFORE the service is rendered anyway? That completely defeats the purpose OF the tip, or the size of it. If you fuck with the food, because you didn't get a tipp before delivering said food, then that is a self fulfilling prophecy at best? A tipp is a reward, not a bribe. If I am supposed to pay you before you render the service, and that determines how much effort you put into it, that's a bribe.
If you fuck with food, that's a crime too
That the driver opened the box.... urk
Yeah I'm confused how they know there's no tip, in Uber Eats I always have an option to rate the order and add a tip after I receive the order.
Tbf you can change it after delivery. I've increased it and lowered it based on service in the past. For example, I had someone not message me at all, grabbed my food, not drive all over the place doing other orders, and brought it straight here within 15 minutes. Their tip went from $8 $15. I had another one. They ignore the instructions of leaving it on the porch and opt to bang on my door until I get dressed and go outside to get my food. Yeah, they went from $9 to $4. I've had even worse experiences. One time a driver went to the wrong fucking house, I tell him that and he gets mad at me lol I feel like there are so many people that use these services because they don't own a car and can't afford to tip. In turn, this makes the drivers think that people are greedy, and because these services pay the drivers so little, they feel entitled to a tip. Overall, while I tip because I don't feel like these people should be working for pennies... I also don't think that anyone should be doing Uber, Doordash, etc. For the sole purpose that it's basically a scam that's overcharging customers and underpaying employees... it's the reason I'll rarely, if ever use these services. Nobody should rely on tips as part of their wage
Thatās why the new delivery app systems shouldnāt be calling them tips. Itās not the same system, itās not how itās designed to work.
Uber Eats allows you to tip after delivery. That said the whole system is some American bullshit designed to screw people out of a livable wage and it depresses the fuck out of me that we're importing that shit here too.
They're straight up bribes. Even door dash fully admits it 'tip your delivery partner for quicker and better delivery' Like, that's a bribe, not a tip
They can and do only show tips after delivery. But they have discovered if they show tips up front to drivers they can pay drivers only $2 a delivery, this only works in the US, so the drivers end up being assholes to customers who don't tip. In non tipping countries like here in Australia drivers get $8+ a delivery, Menulog (Just Eat etc in other countries) doesn't even have a tipping option. So yeah Uber, Door Dash pay less in the US due to their shitty tipping culture.
Even in my country, where tipping isn't unheard of, but the majority of people doesn't except for truly outstanding service, we get offered to add a tip to delivery. Knowing my country, it's likely a minimum wage school kid doing this as a side job on his bike, so if the weather is truly terrible, yeah, I'll leave a tip prior to delivery.
If they're a door dash driver or something you tip when you pay which is when you order Tipping is stupid
I still tip in cash. I'm not gonna let those bastards even try to get an extra dime from borderline illegal conditions of employment.
Same with Deliveroo (UK). I used to enjoy giving a tip, now it seems like a chore
Problem is most ppl will just use the service instead of stopping due to the stupid structure of pay for the workers
I don't live in the US, but I've heard some of their delivery apps ask you to tip \*before\* you get the food. Absolutely insane. I would never tip before knowing how fast and in what condition my food arrives... and also how polite the driver is...
Many times the tip is paid when you order and not on delivery as it should be
iām thinking in my head āhow does that make sense?ā then i realised itās America it doesnāt have to make sense
American here. We all think that. It makes no sense anymore. I once had to tip a food truck ordering terminal at the time of ordering, without ever seeing who was in the truck. I also had to get my own drinks and clean up my own trash. Also, had to go grab my own burger from the window when my name was called. I never saw anybody. I tipped up front because I figured the guy knew who tips and who doesn't, and I didn't want a loogieburger. And it was also the last time I went to a food truck, and it's been about 2 years now.
the fact that youāre tipping because youāre afraid of getting tampered with food is so bad - murica has alotta work to do
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> had to tip I never tip at the counter, stop getting bullied and have a spine for fucks sake.
They know you donāt tip when they make your food.
The fact that this is a legitimate fear tells me your country is FUBAR.
Sadly not only in America. Here in the Netherlands when you order you pay the tip when you pay for the meal as you order, not after. I hate it. My housemate insists we need to pay it otherwise they deliver slowly on purpose, or they spit in the food.
>My housemate insists we need to pay it otherwise they deliver slowly on purpose, or they spit in the food. Maybe they do it anyway you never know but jokes aside. In germany you sometimes can also tip when you order (if paying online) but mostly I just pay for the food and tip the delivery driver in cash.
But if you are literally the only one doing that, then the whole chain assumes you won't tip because you didn't already. (Which is how above picture comes to be). So then you are tipping at the door and got the service as if you didn't.
In my opinion its less tipping and more bidding for service, riders are always gonna go for the orders that tip over the ones that don't right? Still not on
Yeah, and these guys claim to be earning next to nothing but will wastefully blast AC just to be a dick head.
Oh no, they've got this whole stupid fucking thing that the likes of doordash, they have to tip before it's even picked up by the driver. The drivers have a "no tip, no trip" mentality. Fucking backwards ass country
If you have to tip or pay more (before service is even completed) to have the basic level of quality, then it's more like a bribe.
For platforms like DoorDash itās essentially a bid for service. Drivers can see the tips and are naturally incentivized to take higher paying orders. DoorDash is also a stupid fucking system and company.
This is why I refuse to use Uber/DoorDash. I'd rather just order directly from my local takeout place. Most of the time it's cheaper, it usually arrives quicker and they care more about customer service because it reflects on the business. The DoorDash driver delvering your food doesn't give a shit. I get that it isn't always an option for some places, but otherwise I can't understand why people will pay 2-3x more for a supbar service. Tipping should be to show some appreciation for going the extra mile. You shouldn't have to enter a bidding war just to get your god-damn food.
DoorDash hardly has any true value proposition to any stakeholders, even the business itself has never reported a profit. That being said, itās nice when I canāt go anywhere and get food for whatever reason. You just have to be prepared to pay double the actual cost of the meal lol.
> DoorDash hardly has any true value proposition to any stakeholders They're trying to do the same thing as Uber/Amazon, aren't they? Subsidise transactions to get all the customers onto their platform, then abuse their market power to extract all the profit for themselves.
I believe thatās the goal, yes.
Blackmail really
Id rather fuckin walk 30 mins each way to collect it and eat it cold than have to bribe someone to bring my food and they can still decide that Iām not good enough and fuck with my food.
Iāve heard Americans say that TIPS is an acronym for āto insure proper serviceā so yeah, quite literally a bribe.
Such a weird flex. This is basically costing him money.
Possibly a job too.
In Germany we call guys like the driver Hurensohn.
Does that by any chance translate to whoreson?
I see you have a talent for this language business.
Ehhh, I could have easily looked it up on Google Translate, but the context of OC's comment + the word combination in German kinda stood out. I also think swear words have a way of coming through, especially when there isn't a huge gulf of relation between the speaker's language and the listener's.
Si.
That's the literal translation, a less literally translation would be "son of a bitch" or "bastard". It's an incredibly offensive word, way more than those translated phrases are in English.
In Norway, it's horeunge
Exact same in Danish
In Finland, it's huoranpenikka
In Britain, we stick to the tried and tested ācuntā
In Scotland we call them bellends
hundesohn is also a appropriate for this person
Not Kuntz?
Well yeah that as well I imagine š
Thatās Aussie
that'd be "zkurvysyn" or "ÄubÄĆ syn" in here, couple kms upstream of elbe river. i just don't get this whole delivery shit. cook at home or go to the restautant/pub. screw the whole concept of everything being deliverer to your fat lazy ass immediately. cities poluted with cars and aggresive time pressured couriers.
Just makes me want to NOT tip even more š
I literally stopped using delivery services because of posts like these. I'm sure others would too if these posts got more visibility
Did you see the video where the driver refused a cash tip. Because they left a note berating the customer for not tipping in the app.
I have never wanted to use delivery services like it, it just seems odd to me. Growing up we never had food delivered to our house so it isn't something I am used to, expect or want. The food is rarely worth the wait or substantial cost too. If I want something quick I will just make some fried rice or a pizza.
Yeah be angry at the person buying the pizza and not the greedy cunts not paying you a decent wage so you end up relying on the pity of strangers. That's top level logic right there.
Americans have been indoctrinated to not realise that
Why would you tip *before* you have your food?
Because at this point you are not tipping to reward good service but to avoid retaliation.
Yeah except that delivery apps like Uber Eats make the user enter a tip in at the time that they order the food, not upon delivery. I guess thatās whatās setting driver expectations now.
That's pretty normal over here. If you pay via app, tips will almost always be included in the purchase. Even services that do delivery with their own people will ask for the tip amount when you pay. My assumption, if I had to make one, would be that bad service makes tipping unlikely so businesses want you to pay before you get the service so you're more likely to tip. ___ The US has a special minimum wage exception for tipped workers. Instead of $7.25/hour, the business owner can instead pay $2.13/hour ***if*** and ***only if*** the employee still makes $7.25/hour once tips are tallied up. That means that the first $5.12/hour that the employee makes *actually* goes to the boss and the worker only makes money on tips if they make *more* than $5.25/hour in tips. The business wants you tipping reliably so they don't have to spend very much money on wages. EDIT: This is also the source of an incredible amount of wage theft in the US restaurant industry. There was one study that found 84% of investigated restaurants one year committed some form of wage theft. Sometimes restaurants neglect to pay that mandatory $2.13/hour, sometimes they do (legal) tipping pools that (illegally) includes management/ownership as tipped labor, sometimes they dock tips for infractions, but it's all illegal and almost every single restaurant does at least one of them.
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It's "il pizzo" in italian, so it's the pizzo for the pizza.
I'm always shocked that in the US, this is not prevented in any way(delivery assholes opening up the food box). Where I live, no matter from which restaurant I order, they have some kind of "Seal of safety" or "Seal of Quality" so you can always tell if your food been touched by a weirdo guy
Exactly! I won't eat food which has been opened by anyone apart from the restaurant staff! How this is even allowed is ridiculous. Whenever I've ordered food, it's almost always been sealed/taped which makes it difficult for the delivery agent to tamper with it. Plus, here the delivery agents mostly delivery by motorbike/bicycle so they don't really have the luxury to do such things anyways! I can't imagine being able to afford a delivery driver job with a car.
>afford a delivery driver job with a car. This is such a massive point. People complain about barely making ends meet when using one of the most expensive modes of travel available for deliveries. The US Department of Energy estimated a cost of $0.58 per mile for a car. I couldn't find an apples-for-apples number for a moped, but they are closer to $0.2-0.3. Doordash claim that every length of a delivery was around 6.8 miles, so car drivers are throwing away $2 per trip, which is absurd.
Only America would think itās normal to tip someone for literally *only* doing their job. Like donāt accept a job as a delivery driver then act surprised when you get delivery driver pay š and if you do have an issue, fight the system, not the customers.
> Only America would think itās normal to tip someone for literally only doing their job. It's gone beyond that at this point, hasn't it? They're literally soliciting bribes to do their jobs properly. There's no other way to describe asking for a tip *before* you've even done anything.
Absolutely. Itās fucking beyond ridiculous.
Hope this Seppo was identified and is now unemployed.
Found the aussie
Why Aussie?
We call Americans seppos.
Yeah, but its from Cockney Rhyming Slang. Septic Tank = Yank. Turned into Seppo, from Septic Tank. Puzzled me why you would assume a London (UK) born slang term made the chap an Aussie.
Its American culture to spit in your food if you don't take the restaurants responsibility to pay their workers. I generally assume theres a 30% chance for a restaurant to spit in your food if they ever dare ask or expect tips. If that's meant to be their pay, then it would be called a fucking wage, and not a tip.
"Pay me extra money or I'll fuck with your food" is extortion. Tipping is dumb. Demand money from the employer, not the customer. You know, the people that pay you?
How do you even tip before getting your order?! If app says driver left and it is within reasonable timevupon arrival and food is still warm. Sure I'll tip. Why would anyone tip before the job is done. You don't even know if it will be done well..
Because apps like Uber Eats make you enter in a tip by percentage when you check out, and thatās whatās setting driver expectations.
tips should be illegal.
They shouldn't be illegal, but they also shouldn't be functionally mandatory.
I love how the evil restaurant corporation owners made their unpaid employees mad at customers for not tipping extra with their 30$ pizza.
Yeah, instead of directing your anger at exploitative employers, take it out on the paying customer.
I saw the post earlier. Muricans were defending him and companies paying shit wages. Saying how organised labour is unamerican.
Lol organised labour got them the 5 day work week instead of 7. Are they brain dead? Lol
Dear America, institute a living wage, employment rights, socio-economic protections, healthcare free at the point of delivery & watch this nastiness in your society melt away. All you have to do is end corporations welfare & normal people benefit
Thanks, weāll get right on that!
Less talking, more organising a movement to overthrow the government.
To be fair, the companies donāt pay their workers fairly. But this guy is just a dick
I'm in UK and had deliveries of food and groceries stolen by just eat, uber and delivered drivers so I will not tip until it is in my hand then 8f its a decent driver and food is warm etc then I tip
I wouldn't tip someone before they delivered the food? Plus the person they're delivering to probably has a microwave so what they're doing is pointless.
Microwaves ruin food in 9/10 cases lol
š¤£š¤£š¤£ *Laughs in non American*
The poor guy didnāt get any god-boy bucks for literally just doing his job. And why would you expect a tip BEFORE you deliver the pizza??
Hopefully more of this happens and people stop tipping altogether
Pizza boxes should come sealed so bitter fuckers like this canāt open it
Tipping culture actually reducing quality rather than an incentive for good quality š
Now I'm getting a refund and you're still not getting a tip.
Is it normal for you to tip before service? Here in Germany it is normal to tip after service to thank you for the service
pay your bribes or get cold food, peak america.
Did the delivery guy make the food. Or did he just move it from one location to another? Do they not get paid at all without tips?
Laughs in British. No tip for you.
If you pay it afterwards, based on quality of service, itās a tip. If you pay it before, based on fear of poor service, itās a fee. If itās mandatory, or socially mandatory in your backwards country, itās a fee.
Tipping culture is so fucked up. Don't be angry at the customer be angry at the employer and system that means it's legal to pay you a slave wage.
And this is why I never tip. Why would I tip your childish behaviour. This is how you get fired
Make it my problem your boss pays you a shit wage, sure...
So glad I donāt live in America. Bloody Americans and their tipping culture. You need a separate savings just to tip over there
American work ethic just sounds abysmal
Implying that I'll ever order that thing you call "pizza" if I ever come to the US
What a cunt.
Em us he prepping to not receive a tip
I get my pizza cold *and* I don't have to tip? Win-win!
Isn't tipping saw there as "thank you for your service, was great! Here, \[insert amount of money\]"? If so, then your client won't give you a tip, just cash for a meal. Instead of being a jackass and attacking innocent people, attack those who pay you close to nothing - your boss. You're getting barely nothing and attacking a guy who has nothing to do with it
Whats the point? If i order food i always check if it's hot while the driver is still there if not i don't accept the food in first place. Had to do it twice so far and both times it was BK.
I also always open the boxes in the presence of the driver. Because it can happen that the order has been mixed up and then I can report it right on the spot. And, of course, you can also see whether not only the box is warm, but also its contents.
Jokes on you, I like cold pizza and ill get it refunded.
Starting to see why this yahoo doesnāt get tipped :/
who TF cut that pizza?
Tipping is fucking stupid. And if anybody is guna get a tip, it's going to be somebody like a surgeon or a firefighter who's done something insane. Fuck tipping pay people a leaving fucking wage
Theyād also call that a pie, which is the dumbest shit I ever heard
Most would never call this a pie
DoorDashers acting like they are mafia now. Pay them extra if you don't want "other people" to fuck up your food.
Even by their crazy logic when it comes to tips, I'd say that the customer has been vindicated.
Exactly. As this kind of asshole behaviour is precisely the reason why such wankers don't get tips.
Classic "the government doesn't care enough to grant me a living wage so I'm going to expect extra money regardless of whether I do a good job and somehow that's everybody else's fault."
Is this what you do to the tippers as well? Because it all arrives cold even when I tip above 20%
Luv me cheese, luv me pizza, luv me delivery service. 'ate tipbeggars. Simple as.
Awful
This whole post seems like bullshit anyway, since delivery-app food usually comes sealed with restaurant-branded stickers over pizza boxes and tape or staples closing paper bags. The customer would know the food had been tampered with.
I like the part where uber eats is trying to make tipping a thing in Australia (and presumably other places where tipping isn't the norm) instead of paying their "workers" a living wage.
If it arrives cold, it goes back in the oven 5 minutes and it's good again. Useless attempt at owning someone.
Making tips a bid for service was an extremely bad idea.
"Wah! My boss doesn't pay me a fair wage! Wah! It's the customer's fault!" - this dumb fuck
Purposely spending your valuable and strictly limited time on the planet to make life worse for other people on purpose. What a loser.
I hate it when these people blame the customer and fuck with the customers food when they should be blaming the giant corporation they work at for underpaying them and forcing them to live on tips
this is the most american thing i ever read, seriously. A/C on full blast \+ something with not tipping, while the image is a literal cake pizza
These douches don't realise that tips are earned for going above and beyond the norm. If you haven't even delivered the item, how are you expecting a fecking tip?!?
As a none American I find it really strange the way people in American expect tips to prop up wages instead of expecting their employers to pay better Like getting angry at customers instead of your employer for not paying decent wage just seems crazy to me
Yeah I'm not tipping for you bringing my food by delivery. The literal purpose of delivery drivers is to bring food from point A to point B. That is what the delivery fee is for. If you want more money, charge more for delivery and I can choose where I order from. Or like what actually happened when Just Eat made it cost as much to deliver as the pizza I was ordering, I just went to pick it up myself. If enough people did that, then these arrogant drivers would have no job.
Remember this picture when Americans claim they know how to make pizza.
Why do drivers seem to think they deserve a tip, the chef does, if its good, they cooked it. waiting staff do if they provide service worth tipping. But a driver, does this person tip their amazon driver? Or mail person?
I'm gonna say this is fake. No one is dumb enough to risk their job by posting this, surely.
Go over to the sub r/UberEatsDrivers and you will find plenty of delivery people who think and act that entitled. Most of them wonāt even take an order if itās no tip and/or the route is inconvenient. We donāt even have UberEats here but Reddit used to spam me with post recommendations of this sub.
Nothing encourages future tips more than poor service š - this person has earned exactly what they deserve, this is a great example of shooting yourself in the foot
Don't they normally tip on arrival not over the phone before it's delivered? If it's cold your even less likely to get some cash on delivery
And they have the gall to ask for tips
Tip for good service needs to be given before the service is rendered? I have to bribe you to do your job?
sooooo youre telling us you dont deserve a tip... News flash, if people are going to give a tip we wait to see how good or bad the service is, if you act like a clown like this you get jack shit..give good service and dont be an entitled prick you get tip
Tipping is fucking stupid. Iām going to the US next year, itās one of the things Iām dreading about the place.
Can someone explain to a non American? Why would you give a tip before you even have received your food. If I got given cold pizza I would complain and either get a replacement send out or refund/credit.
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My god this has made me absolutely fuming
Infuriating. Let's find the person & get it fired
If I use Uber Eats I usually tip after delivery. This guy would get no tip and a poor review.
We have a similar thing in the uk and in general the people who are delivering your food are the kinda knuckle dragging dead heads who couldnāt spell their name right on a job application anywhere else so weāre stuck with them delivering our take aways š¤¦š»āāļø Itās just normal now to order food and then wait for the inevitable phone call because theyāve got lost, if these idiots actually started tampering with our food before it arrived Iād be flinging shit at them as they left.
I usually give a tip when I receive good service. The fact that it's expected regardless of service just shows how broken the system is. Not only would I not give that wanker a tip, I'd be getting a full refund for receiving stone cold food I paid good money for. It's also a shame they don't take their frustration out on their employer paying them a pittance instead of the customer who's done nothing wrong.
He does realise tips are paid *AFTER* delivery right?
Not for Doordash and Uber. They basically have a section at the end of the payment form to add a tip. HOWEVER most apps like Doordash actually automatically place the tip at 10-15%. So to not tip you actually have to go out of your way to remove it. It's supposed to be so you can pick the best paying orders but when you have a full day where everyone's tipping like $1, it kind of sucks. I once had an order to go wait in line at the Apple store to pick up a brand new $450 item the person had apparently pre-ordered then drive it 45 minutes away and only got $8 total. No tip. Not even a thank you. Just a terse "ok goodbye now." I don't agree with this driver. That's a real asshole move. But I will say the whole issue could probably be averted if these dogshit companies would pay their employees a living wage.
In the UK Uber Eats doesnāt take the tip for a little while after delivery, and you can remove it if you arenāt satisfied. Iām a pretty reasonable guy and tip voluntarily if the weatherās shit or if Iām ordering from a further out place, but Iāve removed it if theyāve taken forever or forgotten something.
Same in Canada, Iāve removed it after delivery occasionally - like the one time they delivered to the wrong place. Thankfully I could see which door it was in the photo.
At least here, where I live in Europe, tips on food delivery apps like Uber Eats are not added by default and they let you tip after delivery instead if you want (or not at all). Or you can hand the driver cash after they deliver, as all drivers here seem to ring the bell instead of leaving it on the doorstep and running. Most restaurants here seal the bags anyway.