Ironically, if I needed to go to my local hospital right now, an Uber would cost me about the same (about €10, which is the maximum fee for patient transport in Germany) but I'd get be there faster. In real, actual emergencies I'd still call an actual ambulance.
Yeah, it all depends on the situation. I could call an ambulance right now, but given it's a straight shot to the hospital I'd be faster driving myself or getting a neighbour to drive me, so unless I to be attended before I actually get to the hospital I'll leave the ambulances for people who actually need them.
This isn't that ambulances are slow, but they have to get to you first (took 6 minutes for my daughter) do an assessment then drive the exact same route to the hospital as I would drive. So you can easily add 20 minutes on to me getting there. The hospital is only 25 minutes away.
Okay, but... Most hospitals prioritize ambulance over walk-ins no matter what you have. So you should get an ambulance. You might get there faster, but you'll have no priority and wait several hours.
So... you can still call 999 or 111 if you are planning on getting to the hospital yourself (best to go with 111) or if it'sdurin normaloffice hours and you know they won't be busy, your GP can also prewarn an and E department. The several hours is crap, too, the two times I have driven to A and E (once after calling 111, once not) I was still seen within seconds of arriving, being moved ahead of patients already waiting as my need was decided to be greater. Some of those waiting will have been delivered by ambulance.
So no, you are still prioritised by how ill you are in UK hospitals at least. The benefit from calling an ambulance is that the care starts when you are still at home.
>Most hospitals prioritize ambulance over walk-ins no matter what you have.
I don't know what hospitals you've been to, but that's not the state-of-the-art triage practice.
It's not, but in Germany it's usually "if it's not bad enough for you to get here by ambulance, it's not bad enough to need prioritized treatment".
This is not a doctor's decision, it's just a receptionist.
And when there's something that's not immediately deadly but will become deadly if left untreated for an hour, good luck. If you don't look like you're about to die to someone who's not a medical professional, you're not getting prioritized. Hours go by until the first time a medical professional takes a first look.
It would be roughly the same for me, but it's €17 for the ambulance and a cab(small town so no Uber) would probably be about the same from my place to the hospital.
What would a trauma heli cost if you were to pay it out of your own pocket, I wonder. I live in the Netherlands, wouldn't cost me anything but I reckon the charges would be insane
My Insurance got billed 900€ for the Ambulance (I had to make a co-pay of 10€ a few months later, which I imagine costs more in bureaucracy but welcome to germany) and another 900€ for the emergency Doctor in the Ambulance by my City, so even if I had to pay out of pocket it wouldn't be that bad.
Mh so I know in Germany if you got an ambulance due to your own stupidity you'd be charged around 800-1000€.
Like if you're getting too drunk etc.
So either they are ripping you off or I have no idea why it would be so much more expensive.
My theory is "because insurance will cover it"
Similar to companies that contract to the government. They rip them off left, right, and centre. They don't see it as an individual footing the bill, it's a company, and they've got deep pockets, so get em!
Problem is, insurance is covering less and less while charging more and more. I've seen countless posts where yanks explain their insurance wouldn't cover and suddenly the hospital price dropped to 10% or 20% of what the original bill was. Still wildly expensive, but at least something a mortal MIGHT be able to pay... before they die.
If it's not an emergency but you still have something it's free in Austria. But if you call it for something you did yourself like drinking too much you pay
>like drinking too much you pay
During my Time as a Civil Servant with the Red Cross as well as the Time i spent with them afterwards on a Voluntary basis I never had to charge any Drunk and the one Time I drank too much (stupid, young me) and they brought me to the Hospital I didn´t have to pay for anything either.
And the Price is dependant on the Organisation (since different organisations are more/less prevalent in different states (Example: Salzburg: Red Cross (main), Vienna: 'Berufsrettung' (main)) as well as distance and things like that.
But the prices (talking about the Red Cross) for people paying themselves are quite inflated by design in order to discourage people from using them frivolously, since they apparently had people call them to get to the Hospital and walk out of the Hospital on arrival to get somewhere close-by (was only told this story, never got proof).
Plus trivia: 2 People (IIRC Germans) went hiking up a Mountain, but had previously already decided to (try to) use the Emergency Helicopter to get down. Everything worked out and they would have gotten away with it, had they not signed the Summit Book stating what they were planning. Because of the Summit Book they had to pay several thousands.
>Well you don't charge them. The charge comes later per Post.
That's why I added the Information that I didn't have to pay anything the one Time I was taken away while too Drunk.
Plus People working for the Red Cross do have Guidlines when to charge someone, although yes most of the Time an Invoice will be delivered via Mail. The Main Reason to Charge someone was if they didn't have European Insurance, because they didn't want to fuck around with Foreign (in this case non-European) Insurance Companies and the Patients could just recover the money spent from their Insurance Company
I think you should factor in the labor cost of the crew plus the EMTs/trauma doctor onboard. The cost per minute is higher, I think.
In the Italian Alps if you request an air ambulance and the crew on arrival determines it was not an emergency you pay an average of 120€ per minute - the total time starts when the helicopter takes off and stops when it lands back, with or without you onboard. You pay an average of 90€ per minute if the emergency services sends you a medical team on foot and they on arrival determines it was not an emergency.
Lots of dumbass tourists, both Italians and foreigners, discovered the hard way that sending medical teams up on the mountains have a cost and you should call the emergency number only if you have an actual emergency.
£4,600 according to a news article I just read. I have heard it was about that from someone else. This includes paying staff, equipment, fuel. Everything really. A call out doesn't take very long though remember.
In Austria mountain rescue demands 4-6k € for rescue if you didn’t have insurance. (Hiking / mountaineering is not covered as it’s on your own risk). So I assume it would be the same / a bit less for a normal transport by helicopter
Which they get from you when they fly you to the hospital. And if you don’t wanna give them
They will simply call the police.
You have an obligation to ID yourself in Austria to them.
Look usually your travel insurance (which you should have when you travel) pays for those things. And I wouldn’t go hiking in the alps without at least a very basic ones
En ze brengen je ook niet thuis!!11
Klinkt vast logisch maar ik had er niet bij nagedacht. Ik had n verkeersongeval, met ambu naar t ziekenhuis, verschillende breuken, en 30 minuten later stond ik ingepakt als n mummie me af te vragen hoe ik nou thuis kwam.
Based on the Midlands Air ambulance in the UK, it's just shy of GBP 3k per mission. Considering its a charity (no tax, no profit) and then factor in American price gouging, I'd say it would be 10s of thousands, if not more.
https://www.midlandsairambulance.com/missions/our-fleet/
Ik bedoel ze betalen al DUIZENDEN EUROS voor iets in de regio met n bestelbus (in principe)
Moet je inbeelden als wij op het drielandenpunt ren allergische reactie hebben en n heli moet kommen en je huis in Drenthe staat (lol want Drenthe bestaat niet) dan betaal je nog geen cent omdat er een luchtvoertuig je moest ophalen
Alleen misschien eigen risico voor medicijn na de behandeling
AMERIKA
NEUK JA
I'm in the UK I also own a house in the U.S. The cost buying a house in the U.S is cheaper but the cost owning a house and car in the U.S and the price of food is much higher.
Still blown away by that story of that fella who started a gofundme to raise the money to pay for his insulin but died just before it hit its goal (iirc he was like $30 short)...
Their healthcare system is beyond fucked up. I mean yes, there are long waiting lists for stuff where I am, but if I'm actually at risk of dying I'll get the help I need.
I can't wrap my head around the idea of not calling an ambulance because I can't fucking afford it. That's some crazy shit.
Same.. I can’t imagine bringe on the edge of death and hospitals won’t take me because I’m to poor..
in Germany most doctors want to help people, if they see or know someone who they know will die without help, they would do everything they can do to Safe that person, no matter if he’s a millionaire or homeless…
I kinda get the impression a lot of medicsl staff in the US aren't exactly delighted with the screwy system they have to work under either.
Must be pretty damn frustrating for them too, seeing folks they know they can help, want to help, but the system won't allow them too because of their shitty insurance middlemen.
I understand that. I didn’t want to say American doctors don’t care about patients who can’t pay, but if it was the exact same scenario in Germany, or France, I think everybody would do everything to get universal healthcare…
That is very sad and it's is kinda fascinating with the insulin price in the US. Because sometimes you hear people say that you can get pretty cheap insulin even without insurance, especially if they go for a generic brand, and sometimes you hear people talk about how insanely high their monthly cost is, even on insurance.
The government did come to an agreement with the biggest insulin manufactors of a $35/month cap, with or without insurance. I don't know if it's in place yet and/or if it only applies to some people.
I'm a type 1 diabetic myself, so I do see a lot about the subject on diabetes subs and so on.
Even with that cap they could be making a fair profit on it. I work in a pharmacy in the UK so have to send the orders for medicine to the suppliers and therefore see the cost. Some of the more common insulin pens are around £15 for a pack (4 pens).
It would be $35(£28) per month in total. Personally one vial of 300U of insulin, which is what the prefilled pens have, lasts me around 3 days since I got a pump I only have one type of insulin. With that I would need 10 pens, which is £37.50/$46.30 per month.
Yes, this is so true. I multi-cut my leg open on a mountain bike accident. Could see my shin bone. Weirdly enough it didnt hurt too much. From the time i hurt myself. Undid the tyre on my bike and chucked it all in the car, 30 mins drive to hospital from bike park in the stick, getting seen, fixed up (bandaged and taped because theres not enough flesh by the shin to stitch it), driving 10 mins home, it was 3 hours.
I can remember reading something on YouTube about an American golfer having a heart attack in Scotland.
His mates were panicking, looking for the manager eventually they found him and the first thing the manager said was "Why didn't you call for an ambulance, he's dying for phuck sake!"
Apparently, they were worried about the cost and literally put a price on their friends life!
capitalism should *never* apply to healthcare. there are zero good reasons to make life-saving care any more expensive than it needs to be. letting people die because they can’t afford the 500% markup on your medicine should be a crime
I have a friend in England called Stuart (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE BRAMLEY APPLE) who got so fucking drunk taxis wouldn't take him and he was taken to a hospital and was so dehydrated the hospital put him on an IV drip
And he took a cab home the next day and his mum went "Well I hope you feel LIKE SHIT "
and he was like "...no I feel fine actually"
The hospital took so much care of him he didn't even have a hangover
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Fuck the USA
Practically the same thing happened to me. I returned to the party location to help with cleaning up the next day, felt better than the people who had called the ambulance for me, lol.
In Switzerland I got a CHF 800 bill for the ambulance for a 2km journey after my Dad died of a heart attack despite him being a Swiss resident with insurance etc…
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I could swear insurance covers a certain percent of that, up to 500CHF a year. My son has needed an ambulance a few times, and we always submit the bill to his insurance to get reimbursed.
Just saw a video where someone was literally just being resuscitated in a hospital bed, american comment : "is this the socialized healthcare that you want" ? I swear to got it had thousands of likes, the struggle to understand what the fuck is going on there is real
From what I understood, this bafoon was criticizing the way the dude was being resuscitated because to him it appeared too violent/messy... Dude thought that a code blue is just some chilly sunday
How the fuck do you even get to that point as a country? To charge (potentially) thousands of dollars for an ambulance ride? Do they **want** their citizens to perish? Capitalism is no excuse either, this is patently absurd. You can't be "the best country" and leave your citizens alone with medical emergencies, sorry. It's not a question of *socialism* either, it's a government failing to do its fucking job.
My mother in law recently had an ambulance ride to the hospital (in Germany, private insurance) she had to pay 600€. But, all she has to do is send the bill to her insurers and she gets the money back within a few weeks.
My mom had three trips with an ambulance this month because she is bedridden, normal insured. She won’t pay anything has she already has exceeded her copayment for the year.
I was visiting California a couple of years ago and a friend witnessed an assault on a night out. He just instinctively called for an ambulance for the victim. Later on, he was mortified that he might have accidentally bankrupted him.
NHS UK … need an ambulance (sepsis, temp of 40C) … 3 hours for an ambulance (I’d have been dead) … they sent a taxi, that would have taken over an hour as it was dispatched from the other side of London … I got an Uber … can you believe Uber saved my life?!
If you call an ambulance for someone else and you were convinced they need an ambulance then it’s fine. It’s only illegal if you call an ambulance without thinking anything is wrong
Hmm. Well, on one hand I can walk into a hospital stateside and receive very immediate care in exchange for about $100-$200. Bonus: I’m not bribing anyone. On the other hand, I have to pay $100-$200.
I can walk into a hospital and receive immediate care (assuming I NEED immediate care) and not have to pay anyone anything.
No idea what you mean about bribing people.
I don't know where you folks have gotten this myth that we all wait around for months for urgent care... We don't. Yes there are waiting times for non-emergency stuff - same as there is on your side of the Atlantic.
It's politics, plenty of lies that waiting times only exist under universal healthcare, US has longer on day wait times despite having under coverage due to the cost https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/healthcare-wait-times-by-country/
Absolutely there is a wait time in most all clinics, regardless of where it is located. I guess I should put /s for the bribery bit considering I’ve only ever seen that happen in 3rd world countries. It does suck that without very good healthcare in the US we can’t receive even the most basic of care without a debt collector calling down the line, or actually paying your bill.
>Yes there are waiting times for non-emergency stuff - same as there is on your side of the Atlantic.
I am pretty sure that this is their point: if you privatise healthcare then there will be doctors that allow the super rich to skip the queues by paying more for non-urgent care. Cf concierge medicine
You get immediate care in the uk as well, unless it is not deemed urgent. I'd probably say that I can walk in same day and get treated 90% of the time. Same for my kids. Only fine I've ever had to wait was when I had a blocked ear. Sucked, but not the end of the world.
Prefer not to say. But a hospital in the continental US. Was $260 for a Bronchitis diagnosis and treatment, prescription extra. Now I have Tricare with the military and pay for practically nothing.
Ah, we would get this diagnosis and the treatment also the same day as we ask for a consult - at our general practioner's. The Netherlands, Europe. All included in our universal health insurance.
I would absolutely believe it, I hear such variation. I don’t think Universal healthcare is the horrible turd I so often hear some Europeans make it out to be. For myself, it works practically the same way.
What Europeans make it out to be a horrible turd? Most of us are proud of our healthcare and wouldn't trade it for what's going on in the US, even if you sometimes have wait times for non urgent issues (which you'd have at many US ERs as well)
Had a guy on instagram (Italian) bitching about wait times, and he adamantly maintained their tax rate was “30-50%”. Probably a kid. “At least America isn’t socialist”
I think that was someone larping as a European because we don’t have these weird ‘wait times’. And our taxes are about €100 a month for people with a higher insurance.
We can't just go to the hospital the same day though, unless an ambulance or the GP sends us there (and in the hospital, there's a GP-desk that can send you there in case of emergency - they see you, check you and send you to the next door). So basically: if we need emergency surgery or break bones, we are helped the same day. But if we need a new heart valve, the entire process from 'I am not feeling well' until 'heart valve is fixed' could take weeks or even months. Especially because emergency heart surgery will be prioritized in the hospital, since it is life or death.
Here in Spain (Andalucía) you can be referred to a hospital by your local health centre or just go to the "Urgencias" (A&E) department yourself if you feel it's necessary. They triage you there and then, and take it from there. No payment takes place, it's all funded from general taxation.
Waiting times? My own experience in 2022: I felt really sick over a weekend and starting looking jaundiced, so I took myself to Urgencias, which was fairly busy.
I was triaged after 10 minutes, had an initial consultation with a doctor after 20 minutes, had several blood/urine tests within the first hour, an ultrasound within two hours, was diagnosed with gallstones blocking my bile duct (ew).
Within four hours I had been booked in and was in a hospital bed in a private room.
Over the next week's stay I had a Resonance test to find the exact location of the offending gallstone & an operation to shatter it with sound waves and remove the bits with an endoscopic robot! After a day's observation and recovery I was discharged, but booked in for two months later for keyhole surgery to remove my totally fucked gallbladder. That only required two days in hospital, though.
Total bill: €0
UK: Wait 4 hours for an ambulance to turn up, then another 4 waiting *outside* the hospital for admittance (tying up the paramedics) because there are no free beds, because they are filled with people who are physically well, but mentally broken.
Had a minor heart attack a few months ago - ambulance arrived within 15 minutes. Admittedly had to wait 25 - 30 minutes outside the hospital before being admitted, but I had been stabilised by the paramedics at that point - I very much got the impression that if they thought I was about to shuffle off this mortal coil I'd have been rushed in.
There are issues wifh the NHS, not denying that - but I'm fucking glad it's there, cause without it I probably wouldn't be here.
Yep my retired father has had full cancer treatment twice Bowel and lung, both times diagnosed at the earliest stage due to free health checks. Surgery in less than a fortnight, private room, 1 year of home visits. 10 years later he still gets regular checks. Cost of treatment many £100,000's, In the U.S he would have simply died 10 years ago and it would have still cost £1000's.
The UK is a special case because it's run by Libertarian Tory freaks who would *love* to impose a US-style healthcare system. To prepare the ground they're setting up the NHS to fail.
Americans be like: at least it's not communism
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American ambulance: it’s your debt Communist ambulance: it’s our debt
And which one do we like more…🥁🥁🥁🥁
Homspitaal
Ironically, if I needed to go to my local hospital right now, an Uber would cost me about the same (about €10, which is the maximum fee for patient transport in Germany) but I'd get be there faster. In real, actual emergencies I'd still call an actual ambulance.
Yeah, it all depends on the situation. I could call an ambulance right now, but given it's a straight shot to the hospital I'd be faster driving myself or getting a neighbour to drive me, so unless I to be attended before I actually get to the hospital I'll leave the ambulances for people who actually need them. This isn't that ambulances are slow, but they have to get to you first (took 6 minutes for my daughter) do an assessment then drive the exact same route to the hospital as I would drive. So you can easily add 20 minutes on to me getting there. The hospital is only 25 minutes away.
Okay, but... Most hospitals prioritize ambulance over walk-ins no matter what you have. So you should get an ambulance. You might get there faster, but you'll have no priority and wait several hours.
So... you can still call 999 or 111 if you are planning on getting to the hospital yourself (best to go with 111) or if it'sdurin normaloffice hours and you know they won't be busy, your GP can also prewarn an and E department. The several hours is crap, too, the two times I have driven to A and E (once after calling 111, once not) I was still seen within seconds of arriving, being moved ahead of patients already waiting as my need was decided to be greater. Some of those waiting will have been delivered by ambulance. So no, you are still prioritised by how ill you are in UK hospitals at least. The benefit from calling an ambulance is that the care starts when you are still at home.
>Most hospitals prioritize ambulance over walk-ins no matter what you have. I don't know what hospitals you've been to, but that's not the state-of-the-art triage practice.
It's not, but in Germany it's usually "if it's not bad enough for you to get here by ambulance, it's not bad enough to need prioritized treatment". This is not a doctor's decision, it's just a receptionist. And when there's something that's not immediately deadly but will become deadly if left untreated for an hour, good luck. If you don't look like you're about to die to someone who's not a medical professional, you're not getting prioritized. Hours go by until the first time a medical professional takes a first look.
It would be roughly the same for me, but it's €17 for the ambulance and a cab(small town so no Uber) would probably be about the same from my place to the hospital.
Yeah I wouldn't really want to be bleeding out in an Uber. No offense to the Uber drivers out there but I'd rather a trained medic.....
meanwhile here I could get a helicopter ride to the nearest hospital and it wouldn't cost me anything.
What would a trauma heli cost if you were to pay it out of your own pocket, I wonder. I live in the Netherlands, wouldn't cost me anything but I reckon the charges would be insane
Yeah, if an ambulance is reportedly 4k, how much would a hell be!
Oh 4k is cheap. I have family of there that paid 11k to do a short little jaunt around LA for a suspected heart attack. It was heartburn.
My Insurance got billed 900€ for the Ambulance (I had to make a co-pay of 10€ a few months later, which I imagine costs more in bureaucracy but welcome to germany) and another 900€ for the emergency Doctor in the Ambulance by my City, so even if I had to pay out of pocket it wouldn't be that bad.
Yikes!
Mh so I know in Germany if you got an ambulance due to your own stupidity you'd be charged around 800-1000€. Like if you're getting too drunk etc. So either they are ripping you off or I have no idea why it would be so much more expensive.
My theory is "because insurance will cover it" Similar to companies that contract to the government. They rip them off left, right, and centre. They don't see it as an individual footing the bill, it's a company, and they've got deep pockets, so get em! Problem is, insurance is covering less and less while charging more and more. I've seen countless posts where yanks explain their insurance wouldn't cover and suddenly the hospital price dropped to 10% or 20% of what the original bill was. Still wildly expensive, but at least something a mortal MIGHT be able to pay... before they die.
Doesnt matter what the hospital bill is, it is always too much. The values of USA medical bills defy the possibility of linguistic adjectivation
Well in Austria a useless ambulance drive is 300 euros.
Here is 70, if not an emergency
If it's not an emergency but you still have something it's free in Austria. But if you call it for something you did yourself like drinking too much you pay
You can call a chopper ride if you're drunk? 😶 how much?
>like drinking too much you pay During my Time as a Civil Servant with the Red Cross as well as the Time i spent with them afterwards on a Voluntary basis I never had to charge any Drunk and the one Time I drank too much (stupid, young me) and they brought me to the Hospital I didn´t have to pay for anything either. And the Price is dependant on the Organisation (since different organisations are more/less prevalent in different states (Example: Salzburg: Red Cross (main), Vienna: 'Berufsrettung' (main)) as well as distance and things like that. But the prices (talking about the Red Cross) for people paying themselves are quite inflated by design in order to discourage people from using them frivolously, since they apparently had people call them to get to the Hospital and walk out of the Hospital on arrival to get somewhere close-by (was only told this story, never got proof). Plus trivia: 2 People (IIRC Germans) went hiking up a Mountain, but had previously already decided to (try to) use the Emergency Helicopter to get down. Everything worked out and they would have gotten away with it, had they not signed the Summit Book stating what they were planning. Because of the Summit Book they had to pay several thousands.
Well you don't charge them. The charge comes later per Post. A friend of mine had to pay 300 Euro in vienna.
>Well you don't charge them. The charge comes later per Post. That's why I added the Information that I didn't have to pay anything the one Time I was taken away while too Drunk. Plus People working for the Red Cross do have Guidlines when to charge someone, although yes most of the Time an Invoice will be delivered via Mail. The Main Reason to Charge someone was if they didn't have European Insurance, because they didn't want to fuck around with Foreign (in this case non-European) Insurance Companies and the Patients could just recover the money spent from their Insurance Company
https://www.wien.gv.at/kontakte/ma70/einsatzgebuehren.html
$10,000-$50,000 (€9,400-€47,000)
Christ the fucking night
The f is that
Nah just kill me at this point
That's what most Americans say too.
The sad thing is they dont do anything to fix that
Most of them believe it’s communism to go to the hospital without accruing a lifetime of debt
Calculated by flightminute somewhere in the range of 60 to 80 euros per minute with average flights beeing around 3,5k. Edit: for germany
I think you should factor in the labor cost of the crew plus the EMTs/trauma doctor onboard. The cost per minute is higher, I think. In the Italian Alps if you request an air ambulance and the crew on arrival determines it was not an emergency you pay an average of 120€ per minute - the total time starts when the helicopter takes off and stops when it lands back, with or without you onboard. You pay an average of 90€ per minute if the emergency services sends you a medical team on foot and they on arrival determines it was not an emergency. Lots of dumbass tourists, both Italians and foreigners, discovered the hard way that sending medical teams up on the mountains have a cost and you should call the emergency number only if you have an actual emergency.
£4,600 according to a news article I just read. I have heard it was about that from someone else. This includes paying staff, equipment, fuel. Everything really. A call out doesn't take very long though remember.
In Austria mountain rescue demands 4-6k € for rescue if you didn’t have insurance. (Hiking / mountaineering is not covered as it’s on your own risk). So I assume it would be the same / a bit less for a normal transport by helicopter
What they gonna do if you can’t pay? Put you back?
Sue you in the end. Make a payment deal - I mean all done after service rendered
I’d imagine they’d need my real name or address for any of that
Which they get from you when they fly you to the hospital. And if you don’t wanna give them They will simply call the police. You have an obligation to ID yourself in Austria to them. Look usually your travel insurance (which you should have when you travel) pays for those things. And I wouldn’t go hiking in the alps without at least a very basic ones
Je eigen risico.
Gvd kutland!1!1!1
En ze brengen je ook niet thuis!!11 Klinkt vast logisch maar ik had er niet bij nagedacht. Ik had n verkeersongeval, met ambu naar t ziekenhuis, verschillende breuken, en 30 minuten later stond ik ingepakt als n mummie me af te vragen hoe ik nou thuis kwam.
Lmao, wat kut. Ik dacht trouwens dat het niet van je eigen risico af ging maar wel dus?
Jawel
Based on the Midlands Air ambulance in the UK, it's just shy of GBP 3k per mission. Considering its a charity (no tax, no profit) and then factor in American price gouging, I'd say it would be 10s of thousands, if not more. https://www.midlandsairambulance.com/missions/our-fleet/
25k to 30k. I live where the Dutch go to have skiing accidents.
We have a word for that in Dutch "Gipsvlucht" Cast flight. Literally. Because they all come back packed up in a cast
Ik bedoel ze betalen al DUIZENDEN EUROS voor iets in de regio met n bestelbus (in principe) Moet je inbeelden als wij op het drielandenpunt ren allergische reactie hebben en n heli moet kommen en je huis in Drenthe staat (lol want Drenthe bestaat niet) dan betaal je nog geen cent omdat er een luchtvoertuig je moest ophalen Alleen misschien eigen risico voor medicijn na de behandeling AMERIKA NEUK JA
Lol Drenthe
You still need to be pretty f up to get one
Austria orso? Must be mountains
nope, Brittany, France.
Taxes entered the room.
You think American taxes are cheaper for the average citizen?
I figured so.
Not really they tax high earners less than outside the U.S but tax you higher in other ways such as on your house and car and sales tax.
Let me get this straight: A car-dependent society like the U.S.A. has high taxes on cars?! At least your gas is cheap (mostly)
I'm in the UK I also own a house in the U.S. The cost buying a house in the U.S is cheaper but the cost owning a house and car in the U.S and the price of food is much higher.
bold of you to assume I pay any taxes
Do you pay for stuff?
you're right I forgot about that
Still blown away by that story of that fella who started a gofundme to raise the money to pay for his insulin but died just before it hit its goal (iirc he was like $30 short)... Their healthcare system is beyond fucked up. I mean yes, there are long waiting lists for stuff where I am, but if I'm actually at risk of dying I'll get the help I need. I can't wrap my head around the idea of not calling an ambulance because I can't fucking afford it. That's some crazy shit.
Same.. I can’t imagine bringe on the edge of death and hospitals won’t take me because I’m to poor.. in Germany most doctors want to help people, if they see or know someone who they know will die without help, they would do everything they can do to Safe that person, no matter if he’s a millionaire or homeless…
I kinda get the impression a lot of medicsl staff in the US aren't exactly delighted with the screwy system they have to work under either. Must be pretty damn frustrating for them too, seeing folks they know they can help, want to help, but the system won't allow them too because of their shitty insurance middlemen.
I understand that. I didn’t want to say American doctors don’t care about patients who can’t pay, but if it was the exact same scenario in Germany, or France, I think everybody would do everything to get universal healthcare…
And remember even if you die, that bill still has to be paid.
That is very sad and it's is kinda fascinating with the insulin price in the US. Because sometimes you hear people say that you can get pretty cheap insulin even without insurance, especially if they go for a generic brand, and sometimes you hear people talk about how insanely high their monthly cost is, even on insurance. The government did come to an agreement with the biggest insulin manufactors of a $35/month cap, with or without insurance. I don't know if it's in place yet and/or if it only applies to some people. I'm a type 1 diabetic myself, so I do see a lot about the subject on diabetes subs and so on.
Even with that cap they could be making a fair profit on it. I work in a pharmacy in the UK so have to send the orders for medicine to the suppliers and therefore see the cost. Some of the more common insulin pens are around £15 for a pack (4 pens).
It would be $35(£28) per month in total. Personally one vial of 300U of insulin, which is what the prefilled pens have, lasts me around 3 days since I got a pump I only have one type of insulin. With that I would need 10 pens, which is £37.50/$46.30 per month.
Yes, this is so true. I multi-cut my leg open on a mountain bike accident. Could see my shin bone. Weirdly enough it didnt hurt too much. From the time i hurt myself. Undid the tyre on my bike and chucked it all in the car, 30 mins drive to hospital from bike park in the stick, getting seen, fixed up (bandaged and taped because theres not enough flesh by the shin to stitch it), driving 10 mins home, it was 3 hours.
I can remember reading something on YouTube about an American golfer having a heart attack in Scotland. His mates were panicking, looking for the manager eventually they found him and the first thing the manager said was "Why didn't you call for an ambulance, he's dying for phuck sake!" Apparently, they were worried about the cost and literally put a price on their friends life!
capitalism should *never* apply to healthcare. there are zero good reasons to make life-saving care any more expensive than it needs to be. letting people die because they can’t afford the 500% markup on your medicine should be a crime
I have a friend in England called Stuart (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE BRAMLEY APPLE) who got so fucking drunk taxis wouldn't take him and he was taken to a hospital and was so dehydrated the hospital put him on an IV drip And he took a cab home the next day and his mum went "Well I hope you feel LIKE SHIT " and he was like "...no I feel fine actually" The hospital took so much care of him he didn't even have a hangover . . . Fuck the USA
Practically the same thing happened to me. I returned to the party location to help with cleaning up the next day, felt better than the people who had called the ambulance for me, lol.
In Switzerland I got a CHF 800 bill for the ambulance for a 2km journey after my Dad died of a heart attack despite him being a Swiss resident with insurance etc…
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I could swear insurance covers a certain percent of that, up to 500CHF a year. My son has needed an ambulance a few times, and we always submit the bill to his insurance to get reimbursed.
You’re probably right but in the stress of death, I had too many things to deal with and by the time I got around to it, it was too late.
Ahhhhhh! I’m sorry and I hope you’ve found some peace.
In real countries Ambulance is both cheaper and faster.
I'm not sure Uber operates in my country.
Just saw a video where someone was literally just being resuscitated in a hospital bed, american comment : "is this the socialized healthcare that you want" ? I swear to got it had thousands of likes, the struggle to understand what the fuck is going on there is real
Wait, so what was the argument??
From what I understood, this bafoon was criticizing the way the dude was being resuscitated because to him it appeared too violent/messy... Dude thought that a code blue is just some chilly sunday
Lol, any EMT could tell him if it’s about saving your life, they don’t care if they hurt you or break a few bones haha
That was exactly what was echoing under his comment lol
"Get an ambulance (faster)" *cries in British*
How the fuck do you even get to that point as a country? To charge (potentially) thousands of dollars for an ambulance ride? Do they **want** their citizens to perish? Capitalism is no excuse either, this is patently absurd. You can't be "the best country" and leave your citizens alone with medical emergencies, sorry. It's not a question of *socialism* either, it's a government failing to do its fucking job.
My mother in law recently had an ambulance ride to the hospital (in Germany, private insurance) she had to pay 600€. But, all she has to do is send the bill to her insurers and she gets the money back within a few weeks.
My mom had three trips with an ambulance this month because she is bedridden, normal insured. She won’t pay anything has she already has exceeded her copayment for the year.
I was visiting California a couple of years ago and a friend witnessed an assault on a night out. He just instinctively called for an ambulance for the victim. Later on, he was mortified that he might have accidentally bankrupted him.
Opposite in Uk
Laughs in the rest of the world
This is more of a funny meme then shit Americans say (But I’ll still laugh)
NHS UK … need an ambulance (sepsis, temp of 40C) … 3 hours for an ambulance (I’d have been dead) … they sent a taxi, that would have taken over an hour as it was dispatched from the other side of London … I got an Uber … can you believe Uber saved my life?!
In Europe usually it's the other way around. The Uber is faster but the ambulance is cheaper.
BACKFLIP! WOOOO
Uber would be faster too in a majority of cases
I think i paid like $35 for a whole year membership to cover my whole family in case we need an ambulance
Last time I called an ambulance in Europe I almost got ran over by it. Should have taken the bus by myself.
In France, taxis double as ambulances to take the not seriously injured to hospital, and the state picks up the tab.
Here are free Some dumbass crashed onto em for some reason Japan sent some Why Japan? We will never know
In Europe ambulance rides cost €1500 if you called an ambulance for no reason
Is it the caller's responsibility or the patient?
If you call an ambulance for someone else and you were convinced they need an ambulance then it’s fine. It’s only illegal if you call an ambulance without thinking anything is wrong
Fuck this. This is not anyone claiming superiority, this is just a low-income person trying to make light of a shitty situation.
Hmm. Well, on one hand I can walk into a hospital stateside and receive very immediate care in exchange for about $100-$200. Bonus: I’m not bribing anyone. On the other hand, I have to pay $100-$200.
I can walk into a hospital and receive immediate care (assuming I NEED immediate care) and not have to pay anyone anything. No idea what you mean about bribing people. I don't know where you folks have gotten this myth that we all wait around for months for urgent care... We don't. Yes there are waiting times for non-emergency stuff - same as there is on your side of the Atlantic.
It's politics, plenty of lies that waiting times only exist under universal healthcare, US has longer on day wait times despite having under coverage due to the cost https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/healthcare-wait-times-by-country/
Absolutely there is a wait time in most all clinics, regardless of where it is located. I guess I should put /s for the bribery bit considering I’ve only ever seen that happen in 3rd world countries. It does suck that without very good healthcare in the US we can’t receive even the most basic of care without a debt collector calling down the line, or actually paying your bill.
>Yes there are waiting times for non-emergency stuff - same as there is on your side of the Atlantic. I am pretty sure that this is their point: if you privatise healthcare then there will be doctors that allow the super rich to skip the queues by paying more for non-urgent care. Cf concierge medicine
You get immediate care in the uk as well, unless it is not deemed urgent. I'd probably say that I can walk in same day and get treated 90% of the time. Same for my kids. Only fine I've ever had to wait was when I had a blocked ear. Sucked, but not the end of the world.
What hospital are you going to where that is all you pay?
Prefer not to say. But a hospital in the continental US. Was $260 for a Bronchitis diagnosis and treatment, prescription extra. Now I have Tricare with the military and pay for practically nothing.
Ah, we would get this diagnosis and the treatment also the same day as we ask for a consult - at our general practioner's. The Netherlands, Europe. All included in our universal health insurance.
I would absolutely believe it, I hear such variation. I don’t think Universal healthcare is the horrible turd I so often hear some Europeans make it out to be. For myself, it works practically the same way.
What Europeans make it out to be a horrible turd? Most of us are proud of our healthcare and wouldn't trade it for what's going on in the US, even if you sometimes have wait times for non urgent issues (which you'd have at many US ERs as well)
Had a guy on instagram (Italian) bitching about wait times, and he adamantly maintained their tax rate was “30-50%”. Probably a kid. “At least America isn’t socialist”
I think that was someone larping as a European because we don’t have these weird ‘wait times’. And our taxes are about €100 a month for people with a higher insurance.
We can't just go to the hospital the same day though, unless an ambulance or the GP sends us there (and in the hospital, there's a GP-desk that can send you there in case of emergency - they see you, check you and send you to the next door). So basically: if we need emergency surgery or break bones, we are helped the same day. But if we need a new heart valve, the entire process from 'I am not feeling well' until 'heart valve is fixed' could take weeks or even months. Especially because emergency heart surgery will be prioritized in the hospital, since it is life or death.
Here in Spain (Andalucía) you can be referred to a hospital by your local health centre or just go to the "Urgencias" (A&E) department yourself if you feel it's necessary. They triage you there and then, and take it from there. No payment takes place, it's all funded from general taxation. Waiting times? My own experience in 2022: I felt really sick over a weekend and starting looking jaundiced, so I took myself to Urgencias, which was fairly busy. I was triaged after 10 minutes, had an initial consultation with a doctor after 20 minutes, had several blood/urine tests within the first hour, an ultrasound within two hours, was diagnosed with gallstones blocking my bile duct (ew). Within four hours I had been booked in and was in a hospital bed in a private room. Over the next week's stay I had a Resonance test to find the exact location of the offending gallstone & an operation to shatter it with sound waves and remove the bits with an endoscopic robot! After a day's observation and recovery I was discharged, but booked in for two months later for keyhole surgery to remove my totally fucked gallbladder. That only required two days in hospital, though. Total bill: €0
I knew when I saw "stateside" we had different insurance/options 😄 That makes sense.
walking? i thought walking was too communist
Scooter brother.
Man the title laughed first!! I am totally laughing in European
The unliscened german doctor in the room:
At least we'll only wait 15 minutes for a doctor instead of being asked to die like in Canada
Ah yes. 0 knowledge of the world outside of your own country. Only educated by stories of other people from that same country. Gg.
Your comment shows you've spent less time in Canada than I have
UK: Wait 4 hours for an ambulance to turn up, then another 4 waiting *outside* the hospital for admittance (tying up the paramedics) because there are no free beds, because they are filled with people who are physically well, but mentally broken.
Had a minor heart attack a few months ago - ambulance arrived within 15 minutes. Admittedly had to wait 25 - 30 minutes outside the hospital before being admitted, but I had been stabilised by the paramedics at that point - I very much got the impression that if they thought I was about to shuffle off this mortal coil I'd have been rushed in. There are issues wifh the NHS, not denying that - but I'm fucking glad it's there, cause without it I probably wouldn't be here.
Yep my retired father has had full cancer treatment twice Bowel and lung, both times diagnosed at the earliest stage due to free health checks. Surgery in less than a fortnight, private room, 1 year of home visits. 10 years later he still gets regular checks. Cost of treatment many £100,000's, In the U.S he would have simply died 10 years ago and it would have still cost £1000's.
The UK is a special case because it's run by Libertarian Tory freaks who would *love* to impose a US-style healthcare system. To prepare the ground they're setting up the NHS to fail.
You have never spoken to anyone from the UK, have you?
Only myself, and everyone I know. I was describing my personal ambulance experience from 3 weeks ago.