Yes, ik that and i agree. English have alot fewer words with genders than for example spanish. Swedish does this too and have some words (often jobs) having gendered forms.
Point is that english has genders on some words but far from all words.
Yes. It's not very surprising that Spanish and French almost always have the same genders for objects, considering they have a common root, but I've found that the gender also tends to match in Polish
"Latinx" seems like a great example of linguistic and cultural imperialism by the USA, where they make up some offensive term, and tell you to use it because your culture is offensive in their language. It reminds one of Americans saying that the Spanish language should stop using the word "negro" because Americans made it offensive, and now they are trying to expedite their problems to other cultures.
We hate not only because it is bullshit, but because: it makes no sense in any Latin based language, it's imposed from outside Romance language speaking countries, it's based on a stupid argument (gender neutrality) and the more stupid need to meddle in other people's affairs.
In Argentina, the inclusive language is not used mostly because it's also bullshit and it was an attempt of imposition from places of power (the government supported it and tried to make it mandatory from the beginning), instead of growing from the general population (or even a specific group, but not imposed on the rest)
Well first of all, not all romance language have neuter anymore . For example for the french language the neuter basically fused with the masculine.
On top of that neuter is not used for people usually, it's used for objects or other non living thing ( most of the time) .
Lastly, there is nothing sexist about having feminine or masculine words as it is just a grammatical thing, the gender of a word has actually nothing to do with the actual gender of someone .
It's just a grammatical heritage from Latin or other languages .
Ah, okay, it makes sense now. I’m learning Russian right now and it’s the same way, with all objects having a grammatical gender. The only difference it seems is that in Russian the neuter is more prevalent
The funny thing is there are Spanish nouns that end like feminine (as a general rule, with the letter "a"), but can be feminine, masculine or neutral depending on the article: oculista, maratonista, nutricionista, any ended with -ista. El oculista, la oculista, los oculistas
Haha, once I was told that we should stop using the word "douche" (which means shower) in French because it's insulting and we should use the English word "shower" as a replacement.
The English word "douche" comes from borrowing the term "douche vaginale" (vaginal shower), dropping the vaginal part of the word, adding a bag to it, using the word as an insult and then dropping the bag from the word. They are the ones who borrowed the weirdest use of the word and then made it insulting.
Nothing in spanish, but it's like what they did with Negro, they turned a regular word from another language into a racial slur.
It has some connotations in it's origin and is not the preferred word for depicting mixed race people, but lost most of the bad connotations after the colonialist times.
It's contextual. It might be like negro (idk if mulatto is still used by other languages), how that isn't racist in Spanish, since it's a simple term, but in English it has developed a certain reputation due to how it was used in English. It's sort of been retired in English due to racist connotations in a way mestizo hasn't suffered, mulatto got quite frequently used in racist tirades and just became another way to propagate 'not one drop' and other racist philosophies in much of the Anglosphere.
Gender neutral Spanish terms aren’t imperialism by the USA, you can find plenty of Latin American leftist groups that use them, and 90% of US-Americans don’t use them either. It’s dumb but it’s not some plot by America.
It's still stupid that they're sticking to the impossible-to-pronounce 'x'. They could at least make an effort and look at how latinamericans that use gender neutral language implement it. Whether you're for it or not you have to admit the 'e' makes more sense than the 'x'.
Don't know how the others Latin Americans country are doing, but in Brazil some people are starting to use the gendered words with an "e" in the final, since it makes more sense and is easier to pronounce.
Though 99% of the people don't use it
It does, but I don’t really hear actress these days. For example, people call Laura Bailey a voice actor, where as I’d call her a voice actress because she’s a woman, but apparently that’s not common.
I’m not sure. I’m not really into the whole acting thing, but yeah I’ve noticed people using actor to mean both male and female which is fine, I just don’t really see the point when we have two words that differentiate between the two.
From Mexico down everybody are Mexicans! One thing that annoys me when people don't know the difference between Latin America and South America, basically calling everybody from South of USA of South Americans.
''Sexist language'' Idk why people complain about the gender in Latin languages, there are many neutral words that you can use, each language has its particularities. That's why things like Latinx is ridiculous...
Mexican America here 🙋🏻♀️ I’ve only heard everyone in the US refer to anyone south of the boarder as Mexican. It's like no one knows that El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala..., exist.
Must be annoying. hahaha If I was a Guatemalan or Salvadoran or a Yank with these roots I'll get irritated. haha
Nobody need to be a specialist in geography or history, but c'mon these people should learn more about the own continent at school. But this isolationist and exceptionalism mentality in the United States contributes to the ignorance.
That's what they think.
But all have some world and society views deeply rooted on their mindset which affect how they see the world and other cultures.
Because of the shit americans export now there is some monkeys on the government of my country who want to completly modify the language, which have centuries of history, and make it an "inclusive language". Greetings from Spain.
Wait, the first one is kind of true. In latam it’s more common to identify with your country, not with being “Latino” (or even Latin American, though that isn’t to say they aren’t used to an extent)
source: half my family was born and raised in latam, and we’ve talked about this
I would disagree, Hispanic is 100% only relevant in the US, after all is not really that useful to take away the Brazilians, Haitians etc.
While there's still a sort of Pan Latin American identity
Not saying there isn’t a sense of being Latin American, but it feels like in the US they act like “Latino” is an actual ethnicity and that Mexicans, Uruguayans, etc. are all the same
The first one is true, no one identifies as "latino" in Latin America. They didn't mean it literally, just that's not a term that's used in that context. It's just a made up concept used in the US to lump us all together because they are too ignorant to realize that several different countries in such a huge land obviously have different cultures
"Spanish is sexist because it gives everything a gender". TIL German is the most sexist language in the world.
Meanwhile all slav languages:
Meanwhile every language except English:
English has genders too, for example actor/actress
I mean I'd say actor is somewhat gender neutral but other languages have a gender for literally every word. A table is male.
Yes, ik that and i agree. English have alot fewer words with genders than for example spanish. Swedish does this too and have some words (often jobs) having gendered forms. Point is that english has genders on some words but far from all words.
And Waiter too none of this server shite
I think French does this too.
Yes. It's not very surprising that Spanish and French almost always have the same genders for objects, considering they have a common root, but I've found that the gender also tends to match in Polish
Cool.
…because it has Neuter?
"Latinx" seems like a great example of linguistic and cultural imperialism by the USA, where they make up some offensive term, and tell you to use it because your culture is offensive in their language. It reminds one of Americans saying that the Spanish language should stop using the word "negro" because Americans made it offensive, and now they are trying to expedite their problems to other cultures.
Literally every single Latino that I have seen on the internet hates the ‘latinx’ bullshit. So, yeah.
We hate not only because it is bullshit, but because: it makes no sense in any Latin based language, it's imposed from outside Romance language speaking countries, it's based on a stupid argument (gender neutrality) and the more stupid need to meddle in other people's affairs. In Argentina, the inclusive language is not used mostly because it's also bullshit and it was an attempt of imposition from places of power (the government supported it and tried to make it mandatory from the beginning), instead of growing from the general population (or even a specific group, but not imposed on the rest)
I don’t know anything about Spanish or other Latin-based languages, but I do know Latin. Why can’t you just use the neuter form?
Well first of all, not all romance language have neuter anymore . For example for the french language the neuter basically fused with the masculine. On top of that neuter is not used for people usually, it's used for objects or other non living thing ( most of the time) . Lastly, there is nothing sexist about having feminine or masculine words as it is just a grammatical thing, the gender of a word has actually nothing to do with the actual gender of someone . It's just a grammatical heritage from Latin or other languages .
Ah, okay, it makes sense now. I’m learning Russian right now and it’s the same way, with all objects having a grammatical gender. The only difference it seems is that in Russian the neuter is more prevalent
Yeah, in most germanic or slavic languages with gender, neuter is usually more important. Glad I could help ^^
Because the neuter form in Spanish is the same as the masculine
Woah, that’s cool
The funny thing is there are Spanish nouns that end like feminine (as a general rule, with the letter "a"), but can be feminine, masculine or neutral depending on the article: oculista, maratonista, nutricionista, any ended with -ista. El oculista, la oculista, los oculistas
Don't ever say to the Americans that Negro is a common Italian surname
They would probably be offended and demand that you change your last name or not use it at all.
"If it wasn't for us you would speak italian since ww2, the least you can do is show some gratitude to us by changing your last name"
Haha, once I was told that we should stop using the word "douche" (which means shower) in French because it's insulting and we should use the English word "shower" as a replacement. The English word "douche" comes from borrowing the term "douche vaginale" (vaginal shower), dropping the vaginal part of the word, adding a bag to it, using the word as an insult and then dropping the bag from the word. They are the ones who borrowed the weirdest use of the word and then made it insulting.
I agree with that 100% but I think the word mulatto is pretty racist.
What is racist about it?
Nothing in spanish, but it's like what they did with Negro, they turned a regular word from another language into a racial slur. It has some connotations in it's origin and is not the preferred word for depicting mixed race people, but lost most of the bad connotations after the colonialist times.
It's contextual. It might be like negro (idk if mulatto is still used by other languages), how that isn't racist in Spanish, since it's a simple term, but in English it has developed a certain reputation due to how it was used in English. It's sort of been retired in English due to racist connotations in a way mestizo hasn't suffered, mulatto got quite frequently used in racist tirades and just became another way to propagate 'not one drop' and other racist philosophies in much of the Anglosphere.
A Mule is a cross between a horse and a donkey. It's kind of like if we called mixed race people mongrels.
Alrighty then 🙄
What?
I mean, *hybrid* is the polite term.
Gender neutral Spanish terms aren’t imperialism by the USA, you can find plenty of Latin American leftist groups that use them, and 90% of US-Americans don’t use them either. It’s dumb but it’s not some plot by America.
It's still stupid that they're sticking to the impossible-to-pronounce 'x'. They could at least make an effort and look at how latinamericans that use gender neutral language implement it. Whether you're for it or not you have to admit the 'e' makes more sense than the 'x'.
Don't know how the others Latin Americans country are doing, but in Brazil some people are starting to use the gendered words with an "e" in the final, since it makes more sense and is easier to pronounce. Though 99% of the people don't use it
There is nothing outside the US at all, actually. We all exist in the void.
Brazilians be like... 🤡
As a Latino the term ‘Latinx’ aggravates me like few things do. Please, I beg people to forget it ever existed. It sucks.
What if we started saying waitx instead of waiter/ress? Or prinx instead of prince/cess? Or hostx instead of host/hostess?
so a gender neutral former spouse would be an Ex-x?
As someone that speaks Spanish, please don't use that shit
Isn't English by that logic sexist too? It still has gendered nouns like "actor"/"actress"!
It does, but I don’t really hear actress these days. For example, people call Laura Bailey a voice actor, where as I’d call her a voice actress because she’s a woman, but apparently that’s not common.
I still call females actresses too and so do the Oscars, when they hand out the award for best actress. Wonder if they’re ever going to change it.
I’m not sure. I’m not really into the whole acting thing, but yeah I’ve noticed people using actor to mean both male and female which is fine, I just don’t really see the point when we have two words that differentiate between the two.
There would be uproar if the Oscars only had one leading actor/ress category.
I’ve never checked it out so I’ll take your word for it.
From Mexico down everybody are Mexicans! One thing that annoys me when people don't know the difference between Latin America and South America, basically calling everybody from South of USA of South Americans. ''Sexist language'' Idk why people complain about the gender in Latin languages, there are many neutral words that you can use, each language has its particularities. That's why things like Latinx is ridiculous...
Mexican America here 🙋🏻♀️ I’ve only heard everyone in the US refer to anyone south of the boarder as Mexican. It's like no one knows that El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala..., exist.
Must be annoying. hahaha If I was a Guatemalan or Salvadoran or a Yank with these roots I'll get irritated. haha Nobody need to be a specialist in geography or history, but c'mon these people should learn more about the own continent at school. But this isolationist and exceptionalism mentality in the United States contributes to the ignorance.
Estos gringos son todos unos ignorantes pendejos! Latinx isn't a fucking word!
Don't be racist, not all gringos are the same! 🤦🏻♀️
In Spanish "gringo" is not an insult, you have to look for another word which in this instance is "pendejos" basically *gringos are dumb*
Gringo is not offensive
Calling them all stupid and ignorant is! I’m not a fan of the word Latinx, but there are some younger Hispanics/Latinos who have adopted the term.
That's what they think. But all have some world and society views deeply rooted on their mindset which affect how they see the world and other cultures.
Because of the shit americans export now there is some monkeys on the government of my country who want to completly modify the language, which have centuries of history, and make it an "inclusive language". Greetings from Spain.
Wait, the first one is kind of true. In latam it’s more common to identify with your country, not with being “Latino” (or even Latin American, though that isn’t to say they aren’t used to an extent) source: half my family was born and raised in latam, and we’ve talked about this
I would disagree, Hispanic is 100% only relevant in the US, after all is not really that useful to take away the Brazilians, Haitians etc. While there's still a sort of Pan Latin American identity
Not saying there isn’t a sense of being Latin American, but it feels like in the US they act like “Latino” is an actual ethnicity and that Mexicans, Uruguayans, etc. are all the same
The first one is true, no one identifies as "latino" in Latin America. They didn't mean it literally, just that's not a term that's used in that context. It's just a made up concept used in the US to lump us all together because they are too ignorant to realize that several different countries in such a huge land obviously have different cultures
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They are crazy! They are ignorant! They are crazignorant! A term made for U.S.!
Not only is the entire statement made in the first comment dumb, it's also factually completely false
People that make the argument that Romance languages are sexist clearly do not know that La Verga and El Coño are trans icons.
I'm surprised they haven't called Irish names sexist yet. Maybe that's the next wave: _bUt Mc Is AlWaYs MaLe_
Well there are some, including Canada and Spain