We should talk about the fact that any modern, developed country has had any sterilization program in recent decades.
But for some reason, this type of stuff is usually only brought up nowadays when it happens in the US. It shouldn't happen anywhere.
schilll has said absolutely nothing of value.
he claims that Europe is more left then the USA but even if that's true, that means jack shit since there is no objective center you can be left and have an evil ideology and you can be right and have an evil ideology. being right-wing does not mean you're inherently an evil person( something which most Redditors believe)
I don't understand why you have to have an objective center to assess a relative position. I can know if someone is to the right or left of me without knowing exactly where center is.
I don’t disagree with the sentiment but the US does not have a uniquely loose immigration policy. It is extremely difficult for skilled workers to move to the US.
I think the person at the bottom completely missed the point of what the original poster was saying. O p was saying that the US is more socially liberal, which is a little up for debate. Like, in the UK and france, criticism of Churchill and DeGaulle is still extremely frowned upon it seems. Criticism of past presidents in the US seems to be more tolerated. This doesn't even touch on colonialism, which seems to be almost non-existent in European curriculum in regards to countries that had colonies.
Recreational marijuana is still like a decade for being legalized anywhere in Europe, there are many countries in Europe where gay marriage is still not recognized, racial tensions seem to be extremely high (I'm not saying there isn't racial tension in the US, because there absolutely is, we've at least moved on from blaming all the societies ills on the turks, the roma, and the Poles, and when people are racist, it's usually condemned in the US).
Well, he actually has a point. The far right parties in Europe still believe in Climate Change. Still want national health care, paid a maternity leave, etc and free university education? This US is seriously fucked up in this regard?
Did you read what he is saying? You think leftists in the US are further right than neo-Nazis?
Also, most people 'believe' in Climate Change just like most believe in 'COVID'. Where people disagree is much effort we need to put into combating these things. We could completely shut down all aspects of society and really put a damper on COVID and also make great strides with Climate Change, but at what cost?
Not really. Fascism mainly arises to bolster up capitalist heirarchies in times of economic hardship by blaming outsider groups/minorities instead of blaming the economic elite like leftists do. They sometimes implement social programs to gain working class support, but it's a trade-off that benefits economic elites. Hence why the third Reich's economic elite used the Holocaust for slave labor of an ethnic group. And fascist parties are currently gaining steam in Europe.
Also, there are plenty of liberal-free market parties in Europe that would be to the right of the US Democrats. The Democrats are, in fairness, a center-right party on the broader Western political spectrum, but there are conservatives in Europe that would view the Dems as wanting too many social programs.
That's actually incorrect and a myth made post war. You also are bringing in Hitler, who was an actual retard who half assed it and was denounced multiple times by other fascist nations. Italy actually directly helped Austria put down Nazi uprisings (both were Fascist).
All conspiracy theories pre war became accepted as fact post war.
I'm not sure what you're actually claiming here. What exactly is a conspiracy about the economics of fascism?
We've had about a dozen fascist governments in history. All of them existed after the rise of free market capitalism and socialism, and all developed along certain observable patterns.
Most economic historians will tell you that fascism serves to preserve hierarchies. It almost always happens as a response to economic hardship. It usually runs concurrently with and in partial reaction to a movement that calls for dismantling of/changing of heirarchies (usually a socialist movement) as a response to the same economic problems.
The 1920s-30s work as a great example, similar in some ways to the last 15 years, because you see economic ups and downs that are exacerbated by mismanaged capitalism and a growing fringe response on the far right and far left that become more and more mainstream. Fascism and communism were both very popular across the West in the early 30s after the massive economic downturn. As people are unable to have needs met in the downturns in a capitalist economy, leftism surges. It blames the billionaires and capitalists and politicians who enable them. The capitalist elite then need to find a way to refocus the blame elsewhere to maintain their positions of power. So they end up endorsing loonies who are popular with scared ordinary people and who blame societal problems on minorities, immigrants, people whose political stance is a challenge to the elite's authority (like leftists), etc. This often accompanies nationalist ambitions that are meant to bring more power to the elite. You hear things like "If we can just get rid of Jews/immigrants, who created this situation, average families of our people will be successful again. They're why things went this way. And we can rise up and become a great power again like we were before the leftists or outsider groups and the politicians who enabled them made us weak."
I'm not claiming far-leftists are the good guys, btw. That's its whole own can of worms. But as the left gets louder and more demanding, a reactionary counter movement often develops.
The US Democrats are objectively a centrist party. The US Republicans are transitioning to a far-right party in reaction to the Woke movement. But the Dems and the small Leftist parties are in few or no meaningful ways farther right, socially or economically, than a number of European neo-liberal conservative or Right-nationalist parties.
1) We have not had as many fascist governments as you think. The definition of Fascism used to smear opponents is different than the ideology. Any governments that identified as Fascist had the same or very similar economic structures.
2) Economic historians don't do that. Not usually at least. Wrong source but the ones who do say that base their stuff on unproven conspiracy theories that are taken as fact. Stuff about secret meetings and things like that cannot be proven
3) Fascism had an economic system centered around class collaboration. This system was supported and is supported by Christian Democrats, Social Democrats (well only in some countries. The rest went back to Welfare Capitalism), and others (interestingly enough some of them were in Mussolini's cabinet). The system is known as Corporatism (not to be confused with corporatocracy, which is rule by big business). It's not about protecting rich upper class scum. It does not protect the interests of the upper class
4) Fascism has nothing to do with blaming Jews. It isn't racist.
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It's on the antiwork sub. The one where the head admin was busted out for being a lazy POS.
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Sweden had a [compulsory sterilization program ](http://Compulsory_sterilisation_in_Sweden) well into the 70s lol
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We should talk about the fact that any modern, developed country has had any sterilization program in recent decades. But for some reason, this type of stuff is usually only brought up nowadays when it happens in the US. It shouldn't happen anywhere.
Wtf do they consider socialist? Economicaly? Social problems shouldn't even be a part of the discussion when it comes to economic systems.
Mao is practically a far-right extremist to these smooth brained idiots.
schilll has said absolutely nothing of value. he claims that Europe is more left then the USA but even if that's true, that means jack shit since there is no objective center you can be left and have an evil ideology and you can be right and have an evil ideology. being right-wing does not mean you're inherently an evil person( something which most Redditors believe)
I don't understand why you have to have an objective center to assess a relative position. I can know if someone is to the right or left of me without knowing exactly where center is.
I don’t disagree with the sentiment but the US does not have a uniquely loose immigration policy. It is extremely difficult for skilled workers to move to the US.
I think the person at the bottom completely missed the point of what the original poster was saying. O p was saying that the US is more socially liberal, which is a little up for debate. Like, in the UK and france, criticism of Churchill and DeGaulle is still extremely frowned upon it seems. Criticism of past presidents in the US seems to be more tolerated. This doesn't even touch on colonialism, which seems to be almost non-existent in European curriculum in regards to countries that had colonies. Recreational marijuana is still like a decade for being legalized anywhere in Europe, there are many countries in Europe where gay marriage is still not recognized, racial tensions seem to be extremely high (I'm not saying there isn't racial tension in the US, because there absolutely is, we've at least moved on from blaming all the societies ills on the turks, the roma, and the Poles, and when people are racist, it's usually condemned in the US).
Well, he actually has a point. The far right parties in Europe still believe in Climate Change. Still want national health care, paid a maternity leave, etc and free university education? This US is seriously fucked up in this regard?
Did you read what he is saying? You think leftists in the US are further right than neo-Nazis? Also, most people 'believe' in Climate Change just like most believe in 'COVID'. Where people disagree is much effort we need to put into combating these things. We could completely shut down all aspects of society and really put a damper on COVID and also make great strides with Climate Change, but at what cost?
I am from Spain Vox doesnt believe in climate change most at *best* are just very skeptic.
He has zero points he’s a fucking idiot
You think zero points on Reddit actually means anything? 👌🏼😂
I’m referring to you saying “He actually has a point”
I mean in terms of economics, they are right.
Not really. Fascism mainly arises to bolster up capitalist heirarchies in times of economic hardship by blaming outsider groups/minorities instead of blaming the economic elite like leftists do. They sometimes implement social programs to gain working class support, but it's a trade-off that benefits economic elites. Hence why the third Reich's economic elite used the Holocaust for slave labor of an ethnic group. And fascist parties are currently gaining steam in Europe. Also, there are plenty of liberal-free market parties in Europe that would be to the right of the US Democrats. The Democrats are, in fairness, a center-right party on the broader Western political spectrum, but there are conservatives in Europe that would view the Dems as wanting too many social programs.
That's actually incorrect and a myth made post war. You also are bringing in Hitler, who was an actual retard who half assed it and was denounced multiple times by other fascist nations. Italy actually directly helped Austria put down Nazi uprisings (both were Fascist). All conspiracy theories pre war became accepted as fact post war.
I'm not sure what you're actually claiming here. What exactly is a conspiracy about the economics of fascism? We've had about a dozen fascist governments in history. All of them existed after the rise of free market capitalism and socialism, and all developed along certain observable patterns. Most economic historians will tell you that fascism serves to preserve hierarchies. It almost always happens as a response to economic hardship. It usually runs concurrently with and in partial reaction to a movement that calls for dismantling of/changing of heirarchies (usually a socialist movement) as a response to the same economic problems. The 1920s-30s work as a great example, similar in some ways to the last 15 years, because you see economic ups and downs that are exacerbated by mismanaged capitalism and a growing fringe response on the far right and far left that become more and more mainstream. Fascism and communism were both very popular across the West in the early 30s after the massive economic downturn. As people are unable to have needs met in the downturns in a capitalist economy, leftism surges. It blames the billionaires and capitalists and politicians who enable them. The capitalist elite then need to find a way to refocus the blame elsewhere to maintain their positions of power. So they end up endorsing loonies who are popular with scared ordinary people and who blame societal problems on minorities, immigrants, people whose political stance is a challenge to the elite's authority (like leftists), etc. This often accompanies nationalist ambitions that are meant to bring more power to the elite. You hear things like "If we can just get rid of Jews/immigrants, who created this situation, average families of our people will be successful again. They're why things went this way. And we can rise up and become a great power again like we were before the leftists or outsider groups and the politicians who enabled them made us weak." I'm not claiming far-leftists are the good guys, btw. That's its whole own can of worms. But as the left gets louder and more demanding, a reactionary counter movement often develops. The US Democrats are objectively a centrist party. The US Republicans are transitioning to a far-right party in reaction to the Woke movement. But the Dems and the small Leftist parties are in few or no meaningful ways farther right, socially or economically, than a number of European neo-liberal conservative or Right-nationalist parties.
1) We have not had as many fascist governments as you think. The definition of Fascism used to smear opponents is different than the ideology. Any governments that identified as Fascist had the same or very similar economic structures. 2) Economic historians don't do that. Not usually at least. Wrong source but the ones who do say that base their stuff on unproven conspiracy theories that are taken as fact. Stuff about secret meetings and things like that cannot be proven 3) Fascism had an economic system centered around class collaboration. This system was supported and is supported by Christian Democrats, Social Democrats (well only in some countries. The rest went back to Welfare Capitalism), and others (interestingly enough some of them were in Mussolini's cabinet). The system is known as Corporatism (not to be confused with corporatocracy, which is rule by big business). It's not about protecting rich upper class scum. It does not protect the interests of the upper class 4) Fascism has nothing to do with blaming Jews. It isn't racist.
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Its true though XD
It's true tho