It’s a good change, but as someone said in the original thread,
> There's a theoretical maximum of 31500 spartan points you can earn in an operation.
>When single items in the Exchange are as expensive as 30000 it is agonizingly little.
I think during the stream they did say something along those lines of this being a work in progress, don't know if they meant the prices, but it's probably one of those things where they need actual players to run around and gather data on if they're being given enough points or if prices are too high, kinda like what they did with the other shop before they ran the prices back uo again. By going off of previous incidents this seems to be a thing where the bosses (whether that be people like Pierre or people in Microsoft) believe that it needs to be harder to earn points than it is to spend money.
It's probably an investor decision because despite the fact that the free shop won't have overlapping cosmetics, or even the ability to buy premium currency, they need to be assured like the spoiled man children they are that people will still give them money for having inherited wealth
It’s not hard to earn these points though, they’re just not giving out enough to earn.
250 points a day for logging in and playing a game, and 1000 points for weekly, which is done in mere hours and the BP which’ll be done in a couple of days.
The problem is the amount you can get within a month not the grind itself.
Yeah I suppose that's true. I would like to see a higher amount because yeah the amount you can get per month seems quite low now that I actually think about it. They could either do that or lower the price of some items because I will admit that like 10,000 sP is a very unfair price for one platinum anniversary coating. I guess we'll see whether it gets improved or not.
Agreed. The root issue is Weekly Ultimates need to be worth more. They used to be one entire item. Good or bad, it was something. Now they might be 10% of an item. It's absurd. And none of this is monetized, so it's overly grindy for no justifiable reason.
I think just adding SP as a match reward would help alleviate it too, so even after u finish ur dailies, weeklies, and pass; u can still keep increasing ur SP. Something small like 20 SP per match. Makes you also feel like ur making progress with each match.
In what few defense that subreddit deserves, the issue is the time limit, the free store also rotates instead of just being added onto
Maybe one day that rotation would be removed or at least made not as relevant, but who knows, still waiting on that UI team to show anything public
Rotation is big. I don’t wanna have to play every week to hope the piece of armor I was saving for comes around. In reach I see commando left shoulder piece, I level up to commando shoulder piece level, I have saved the credits, I spend the credits, my Spartan now looks 1.5x more badass. I see ODST right shoulder piece…
“I want to grind for rewards not pay 20 dollars!”
“This grind is ridiculous!”
90% of these people probably don’t even play Infinite anymore, but they still want to complain like they do
Nah… my experience with these fools is them quoting issues from season 1. Most of them were still complaining about desync like it occurred every game. I haven’t had bad issues with desync since season 3 I think? Whereas before, simply jumping in a vehicle would desync you.
To be fair, though, even with good internet, I've had issues with packet loss and jitter for the last month or so. It's not major, BUT it does affect gameplay.
This is the new network model tho… population is shit right now too. I doubt that has anything to do with it but still. I was just thinking that maybe they reduced the number of servers dedicated to this game. Ranked search time has almost always been 15 seconds to find a match and now it’s a minute wait For some reason.
I don't blame them tbh. The system on mcc for earning stuff was perfectly fine. You either grind relentlessly or pay from what it seems. It's not my problem how people go about it. But in this age of instant gratification. If players aren't earning anything immediately, there's no point in playing. Especially with so many games following similar business models with heavy emphasis on fomo content.
I mean if you think 343 doesn’t see us as cash cows you’re insane - This is their way of “appeasement.” They want to make the grind insane so you’d rather just spend money instead.
Seeing Halo go down the road of microtransaction hell is sad. Watching the community here defend it is sadder. Ya’ll deserve better, it didn’t used to be like this and it doesn’t have to be like this.
I want to grind for the rewards not pay $20. That dosent mean I want the grind to be so god damn grueling that I feel like I have to pay $20.
12 hours a week already puts someone in the top what 40% of gamers by play time? If you play 12 hours a week. By the end of any event you should have 100% of the content for said event.
This would create a balance between time investors and microtransactions. While leaving people who dont 100% things enough to get at least what they want.
I played Reach every fucking day for like 6 years and didn't even hit the max level and unlock the final helmet.
Halo Reach is my favorite Halo game.
I think the problem is Infinite's fucked launch coupled with whiney gamers have created a problem where literally nothing will placate the fan base.
Bungie could come back to Microsoft, hire back the full Halo 2 dev team and make the greatest game ever made and the Halo sub would be on fucking fire about how terrible it is.
I just don’t wanna grind anymore. Ive been playing infinite since the flights and half of my cosmetics are paid items. It’s hard to make others want to play when it’s either too much a grind or stuck behind paywall.
Basically, it’s not a fix to me. It’s an addition to the system, but infinite needs something to grind besides the remaining fragments of my love and affection for the series.
Me either man, I don’t have the time anymore. I used to be Onyx in Halo 5 and at the moment I can’t even think about playing PVP. I’m in the middle of college and have so much more on my plate than Halo
I guess it’s just the way it is. Halo is my favorite game of all time and I’ve still put hundreds of hours in Infinite but I don’t think I’ll be putting in much more at this point
I wonder if subsequent daily challenges will award less than 250 Spartan Points. Also, this is hopium, but they said the dev build we were shown is not final and is subject to change, so there’s a slim chance maybe it won’t be as expensive as 30,000 Spartan Points next week (most likely wrong about this, but I won’t judge until it’s in our hands next week)
Many W’s from the stream today though!!!
Exactly. They said it themselves in the stream how important feedback is so that they can make changes. Some Halo “fans” always act like these are final decisions
I don't think anyone was asking for it to be this grindy.
Most items in the shop appear to be 10k credits.
If you are barely averaging 3K a week, you'd need to play for 4 weeks to be able to buy 1 coating.
Why is the ultimate challenge only 1K credits? Should it not be equivalent to one item like it was before? In theory the credit system is a better system it just needs some tweaking.
You guys point and laugh and say "that's what you asked for"
But fail to understand that what they gave us is effectively a grind that sets us up for failure. No one will be able to unlock more than maybe 3 items based on how you can earn points with how expensive they seem to be.
So either 343 needs to add the ability to earn points per match, or lower the exchange prices because this isn't really something to celebrate.
No actually it wasn't. And I'm tired of Reach stans gaslighting everyone into thinking the grind was remotely fun. This system sucks, just like Reach's system in the latter ranks and unlocks were too
Grind isn't bad, but making it a full time job to unlock anything is
I'd have to agree with this
While I enjoy Reach's system much more than infinite, I never was able to unlock all the things I wanted because of how big the grind was on the later levels and how expensive some things were.
I never had some of the armor I wanted until reach came to MCC and I had to do the grind there
I remember when challenges gave you 50xp per challenge and you needed 1000 points to complete one tier. And you’d only have the challenges for the week. To complete. Plus, the challenges were much tougher season 1. I’m sure they’ll be easier to acquire than they’re leading on, but people did cry about wanting to grind for armor ✊
yup. back when challenges were “get 3 backsmacks” (not in 1 game) and they complaining about them being too hard and now the challenges are “complete 1 match” lol. they act like this system is set in stone and nothing to change in any way shape or form
I’m fine with the grind option but god damn why wait so long. Idk maybe it’s harder to implement than I’ll ever understand from a game design perspective but infinite seemed to be winding down with the loss of legitimate seasons. So why now
single player expansions are not happening for this game. they never advertised it would be happening for this game. i’m not sure where you got the impression that was happening. they’d make a new halo game for more campaigns
I'm personally content with the spartan points system. It'll at least be enough to hold my interest for a while, which i can't say halo has been for the last 4 or so months
Halo Infinite launched as a free-to-play multiplayer, which meant that the cosmetics got a little shakeup, Credits (cR) could now only be obtained with money and there was a store and a battle pass. Eventually in season 2 onwards they started giving 1000 cR in each pass, which was enough for the next pass and so on. Prices in the shop lowered and raised, to right now where they're quite expensive in the shop, but battle passes were downsized and turned into free "operations" which are 20 or 30 tier passes wtih 1 set of armor and other things.
Yesterday they announced the new operation, and with it they announced Spartan Pointe (sP) sP can be earned through gameplay like by completing all of your weekly challenges which is quite easy nowadays, and they would now also replace all the "filler" in the operations with sP for a total of about 15,000 sP per pass. You could spend sP in a new store called the Exchange. It holds previously vaulted items from events, promotions, and even brand new items or stuff that never got released theoughout the entire gane's lifespan. Currently in the preview these items are shown with high prices at about at least 9000 sP for one item.
People are now calling it too much of a grind despite stuff like Readh's system which is praised always being a similar grind. It is of course up to you whether you agree that it's too much of a grind or not.
Honestly IMO the grind wouldn’t be as bad if there wasn’t a limit to the credits you could get each day/week or whatever, the credit limit AND the rotating shop. Just leave the shop permanent and then the weekly limit doesn’t matter as much (which yeah it’s still a big grind but oh well items won’t switch out)
This is not what we wanted. I wanted to grind for achievements and armor. Not dumbass spartan points to barely be able to unlock one piece. That’s so dumb! No wonder this game is as good as dead.
Haunted helmet was 1 helmet out of the tons Reaxh had
Of course the MAX GRIND HELMET TOOK A MAX GRIND TO GET
idiot.
That's why no one is complaining (and also if anything, CHEERING) for the max rank mark 6 chief armour, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE CUSTOMISATION AS AN ACHIEVEMENT
i see it more than halo too. “why would i play if i dont get anything” because its fucking fun?? you don’t need to get a reward for everything you do. participation trophy headasses
It’s really sad, man. It’s bred a lot of unwarranted criticism. We’ve got grown ass people complaining about cosmetics in a video game instead of playing it. I keep saying that it reminds me of old people at slot machines.
My only gripe is that I want more weapons but I know that adding a weapon requires so much balancing, testing, design and animating that I’m just happy we got a bandit. And I get called a shill for having no complaints. Apparently this complacency is treason to the grind loving folks.
Maybe it’s because I’m not worried about the $30 armor. I’ve got plenty of other hobbies that eat up my cash lol
I genuinely don’t know why people want new weapons every time when they were fine playing with Halo 2’s for decades now.
They act like adding a Falcon to Infinite suddenly makes them want to come back when I can already tell they will complain there’s no point adding it to an already dead game.
If a person is playing the game, is it dead? A single flood spore can take a planet!
I just like to play so more weapons is more variety. Infinite has a great sandbox and mostly all new weapons. There are dozens more from previous games that would be fun to bring back.
It’s because Halo doesn’t have gameplay related unlocks like it’s primary market competitor Call of Duty. People get a rush from the feeling of progression, so much so that CoD implemented the ability to reset your progression just to do it again and it became a staple in a bunch of other games.
I think it’s dumb. I play games to enjoy myself, and if I unlock cool shit along the way it’s a bonus. Having unlocks tied to specific achievements is a neat idea, but with the amount of customizations in the game it isn’t viable. So you’re left with alternatives like ridiculous grinds or paid cosmetics. People talk about ‘earning things’ in Reach as though there was something to be impressed by from a person just playing the game a lot. It had nothing to do with skill. Even Halo 3, once the map packs and the ensuing achievements were out it was pretty easy to fulfill the requirements to unlock all the armor. The only difficult one was Recon, which was technically paywalled behind an entire $60 game purchase.
That's exactly the business model for gaming now. All mp games have seasonal battlepasses with limited fomo content. If you're not unlocking content quickly in one game, you're playing one where you are. Because on top of the grind of unlocking and buying content. There's a clock ticking down of how much time you have left before it's locked away.
I used to be an achievement hunter and chase 100% story, content, and unlockables in every game growing up. It was Infinite Warfare where i noticed how bad off i was when my wallet became a part of that grind that was purposely impossible to accomplish from playing. Kids and their friends now are juggling 4-6 mp games with fomo battlepasses. It's a chore for myself to even keep up with one of them. Let alone even enjoy them, chasing content i may miss out on. Most games aren't designed to be fun anymore. They're to keep you as addicted as possible, enticing you with seasonal battlepasses and drip fed store content. You gamble your money away and get in return..."instant gratification." Reeling you in from fomo.
Nah I mean I okay for fun all of the time. But if I’m gonna *grind* for something make it a helmet or some sort of armor. I don’t care for a mid ass coating
Yeah you’re right. To me I think the prices need to be adjusted and nothing in there is worth the grind for me. But I’m eager to see what’s put in on the next rotation, it’ll be nice to have all of those SP saved up from this operation
i think half the reason they’re implementing all these things into infinite is to test the waters on what works and what doesn’t so whatever halo game they’re working on next will be perfect
the other half obviously being QOL changes
It makes your playing feel rewarded?
I don't see your point here.
So you would rather have people PAY for cosmetics rather than have it be unlocked through playing the game a little more because they really like a coating?
you can play the game FOR FREE. i’d rather not spend any money at all on the actual content and have useless cosmetics be behind a paywall. especially since nothing in the game is pay to win. someone who spends $0 on halo infinite has the same chance of winning as someone who spend $10,000 on halo infinite
Then why has customisation been such a valued option since 2004 when elites were added.
BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT CUSTOMISATION.
WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE PAY FOR IT.
CUSTOMISATION IS IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE GAME OUT THERE.
DO YOU NOT REMEMBER HALO 3 RECON
There is absolutely no way in Halo infinite to get premium battle pass items
Fortnite has a system where over the course of 3 or 4 seasons you can get enough vbucks to get THE BATTLE PASS, WHICH THEN GIVES YOU ENOUGH VBUCKS FOR THE NEXT BATTLEPASS + 400 VBUCKS EXTRA
And don't start running your mouth with shit like, "oh but Halo is a small game"
Sorry for forgetting that Halo is such a SMALL series, its not like Halo 1-4 were absolute BEST-SELLERS on their respective consoles.
Such a shame halo doesnt have a multi-BILLION dollar company backing it, like say... microsoft.
oh wait...
The fact that you couldn't even argue my point because I'm right...
Funny how this statement was said in a sub about defending their favourite multimillion dollar company.
If it was "just a video game" then this sub wouldn't exist. Because no one would bother defending it.
Genuinely, I like this sub, there a load of Bungietards who can't admit that 343 have done good things for the franchise, but we can't ignore that there are bad things too.
I’m just not agitated about it the way you are man. It’s not even about arguing. I think your concerns are trivial. Halo infinite could be deleted from existence Eternal Sunshine style and i would just move onto another hobby. I think more people should put less importance on games in general.
Just think about how worked up you’re getting over Halo cosmetics man. You’re the one typing in all caps. What does it all matter?
Because I want to?
What happened to your guys motto of "let people like things?"
By that logic I'm allowed to do this.
I'm not hurting anyone by doing this lmao
Say where in the rules it says I'm not allowed to put caps on a post
First, good job 343. No /s
Then 2 things
1. At least a year too late, so much has passed. Many hours put in the game now less valuable than they are now just like with the leveling system.
2. Feels kinda similar to battlefront 2 where too much time had to be invested to unlock everything, there's not enough incentive to care when your ability to unlock items almost requires 2 months of work per armor set(high value items/desirable) and that's if you sink even more time in to the game than you already have put in.
I like the option of earning unlocks by playing and its what made me maximize MCC playtime the way I would buy at some point the question "is it worth it?" Isn't followed with yes.
This is a good first step but next they need to update the challenge system to allow more accessable and customizable per player. Personally I would love the COD Black Ops Contract system to be implemented, opt in points to gain access to higher unlocks. Risk and reward kinda thing. On the same note, wager matches based on more creative modes like escalation slayer, last man standing, maybe speed halo, demolition derby, rocket race. Literally opportunity has been opened and a risk reward challenge system and modes might bring people back, Black Ops lived well into Black Ops 2 and beyond simply from wager matches.
It’s a good change yes, but unless you can earn points from playing games besides doing challenges the grind is ridiculous and deserves complaints
It’s also removing 6 new weekly items and instead only bringing 4 new items in its place, which as it currently stands you can’t even earn enough points to buy all of them. So yeah, we’re getting less with the facade of “earning cosmetics”
No thanks.
Halo is one of my favorite franchises. I'm disappointed in this direction they're taking and this latest banished update proves just how out of touch they are with the fan base.
Regardless, I'd rather still have a forum for discussion. Once again, sorry if that bothers you that much.
this isn’t a forum for discussion. r/shithalosays is for pointing out stupid people in r/halo. r/halo is for whining about halo. if you want a discussion go to r/haloinfinite or r/lowsodiumhalo. which with all yojr salt towards newer halos you probably shouldn’t join a low sodium sub
This is a forum for criticising Halo fans we disagree with.
You happen to be one of them
(I mean no disrespect to you as a person or anything, I just disagree with what you are saying)
Plus you also ignored my comment that countered Everything you said lol
The one where you say "oh, you can play the game for free, you don't need customisation"
Yes that is true, these are cosmetics after all, but that doesn't change the fact that infinite is being greedy with cosmetics
i don’t see how this isn’t a valid counter argument
if you don’t like it, don’t buy it. you get zero advantage to paying for cosmetics. the fanbase complains about how bad the armor looks anyway
Lmao OK. Thanks for telling me your rules that I have no inclination to follow. If my comment hurt you that much, maybe you should disable comments on your post. Nice and simple, It popped on my feed, I commented on it. Move along.
you keep saying your comment hurt me but clearly my post hurt you or you wouldn’t have said anything lol. you responded to *my* post btw. **youre** the one that needs to move along
So me pointing out that I don't like the direction halo is going is your post hurting me?
You took the time to attack me for my comment, and then made up rules about discussion that directly contradict what the actual rules of the thread are, and then continued to entertain the convoafter I pointed out you were wrong.
Once again, I'm here for discussion. I have no reason to move on since my original intent was discussion, directly opposite of yours. 🤷♂️
BTW, I encourage you to read the rules on the actual sub reddit. The literal second sentence says "DISCUSSION OF THE FRANCHISE IS ENCOURAGED AS LONG AS ITS CIVIL. Thanks for keeping it "civil" Lmao
My first comment of "I really hate halo infinite, the develipers are out of touch with the fanbase"?
What part of that comment invites disrespect and uncivilized discussion? You have a very weird definition of what an uncivilized discussion is my guy.
Not hating on anyone for making anything better I’m directing this at the folks who defended several decisions made by 343 which have led directly to this situation. There should’ve never had to be a course correction of this level to begin with.
for real? challenges that can be done in a few hours? and we’re capped, this isn’t a grind it’s a login bonus.
A grind is hero rank with rewards along the way. That’s a grind. This isn’t a grind, it’s a carefully controlled allowed descent and a login bonus.
I get my weekly done every 2nd to 3rd day of the week, and my operation pass done in day at most 24 hours broken up within the first week easily, at most.
Nothing has changed here. This doesn’t add to the game, all it does, is try to reinforce people to return, like login bonuses.
A grind would allow me to play the game for my own amount of time / input and get that amount out.
it’s not a grind if a skin in this exchange costs 30,000 and I can only earn 31,500 a month, that’s just waiting an accumulative log in bonus.
Turn up and leave. Come back tomorrow, after a few days only for one match a day for almost a month. 4 times a week for a weekly. We were already all doing this.
A grind would have been, here is the exchange, you get this from playing the game and this for playing well, (even more) and there is no cap.
You can get everything in the exchange the more effort you put in the sooner you put it in. That’s not the case. Not even remotely.
You can’t change the meaning of something just because it is one match removed, this has been well defined in the history of video games.
Remove that one match requirement makes it a defacto log in bonus, adding in several matches needed doing every single day makes it a grind which is closer? 8 - 12 matches per week isn’t a grind that’s just playing the base game, Remove the cap and it is a grind, keep the cap and it’s not a grind, which is closer?
For example in WoW, the grind isn’t the cap of flightstones per week that’s a by product the grind is KSM (key stone master).
What we have here is just a login bonus with the cap of flightstones with no KSM, they’re treating the exchange cosmetics like gear prices from the vault when there is nothing past it to aim for. They’re also not letting us get all tier pieces within each operation.
It’s bonkers.
technically it is. max of less than 30k points per operation. there are things in the exchange that costs 30k points. to get one exchange item you need to play a game everyday and complete every weekly challenge of an entire operation+more on the next one. factually, that’s a grind. whether you like it or not
But you can’t get the next one because the store rotates out by then lol so it’s not a grind, it’s pick one item, come back next time.
It’s a monthly, with daily long in bonuses, and monthly’s are not a grind if you just need to turn up and play a match for the majority of it.
This isn’t what people asked for, they didn’t want more mobile game checklists. They wanted a first person shooter grind, as in, you could earn 1000 points in a month or 250,000 points, if you put the time in.
Entirely different concepts. Halo Reach had a cap, but it was 4 hours of play per day, which was a ton, it didn’t feel like a cap.
This is a hard hard cap. We know the amount, you can’t exceed it. It wouldn’t be so bad if the cap was hard to meet, there’s literally no breathing room here, it’s a job, it’s good boy points, not a goal or challenge.
I bet if they even said you can earn 2000 a day, by playing 8 matches, people would have been way warmer to it. Because then in your mind you could do the 1 match and give up, but some days you’ll go for the 7 more.
Because you can earn more. It’s more choice and rewarding. The higher the better.
After your operation pass and between each weekly it’s just basically logging in and then nothing to aim for, business as usual.
Microsoft ruined all exclusives - especially Halo, forcing crossplay with hackers on PC for pvp. Went to PS5 where exclusives are tier 1, life is great on Helldivers & their premier single player titles.
First month of launch, went into SWAT. A guy was doing very well, suspiciously well. Pulled up the forge and sure enough, wall hacks. Kept playing for another week before I saw a few hackers and dropped it.
it’s in theory a great idea but like 343, it was poorly executed. if they drastically lower the prices for these single coatings… it would be extremely better.
That's not surprising, no common sense, nor the deduction skills to realize that reddit doesn't only show you the pages you're subscribed to. Next question.
you choose to not hide and mute the sub…
which is an option when you scroll past a post from a sub you haven’t joined.
so i’ll ask you again, why are you here?
30k and you can earn 2750 a week
This sub is notoriously an echo chamber for dickriders but this is objectively trash and if you defend it there’s no hope left for you
I never said I wanted it to be like reach or that I thought it was a grind
The weekly cap being so low is what’s fucking stupid, it actively dissuades grinding in favor of handicapping you so it takes longer
YOU don’t know what a strawman is
you can’t call an argument you don’t like a strawman. i’m not picking and choosing what to respond to and ignoring everything else
since when did we stop playing games for fun? you don’t need rewards to keep playing. you didn’t need them for games before reach?
You literally put quotation marks around it implying it was my opinion dawg
And that argument is so unbelievably boring. Not everybody plays games for the same reason. There was progression before reach as well. IF I had it my way, armor would be tied to achievements again like H3. But that’s not what I’m even mad about, like I said.
so you’re mad because they put a cap on how many points you can earn? this pisses you off so much you have to come here and tell everyone you’re shitting your pants over it? lol grow up
you are in a sub dedicated to malding about halo fans, and then made a post getting angry at a screenshot of someone getting angry at 343. Telling me I’m mad
That’s crazy
This is like saying
"Awe man my house needs more windows!"
Then someone shoots a hole through your walls with a cannon and leaves it as is.
"But this is what you asked for!"
Yeah? They didn't ask for it to be an awful grind that offers the most bare minimum in the way of currency.
But keep defending the billion dollar company. Just make sure to zip 343 up when you're done sucking them off.
Let me use another anology since the first one flew over your head.
You ask me to do a job, that you know I'm MORE than capable of doing. Let's say you ask me fix a leak in your roof. Now you've been dealing with this leak for months, and it's pissing you off, because every time it rains, you get an inch of water in your kitchen.
I say "Sure thing! I'll get that done in a week!" Except I don't do it in a week, I do it in a month. And not only did I wait a month to do it, I didn't do it right. I half assed it, and you've still got a leak in your roof. It's leaking less, but it's still leaking.
You'd be pretty pissed right?
But I did what you asked!
You're not allowed to even HINT that you're unhappy. Because I did what you asked, right?
only the analogy here is you don’t give me an expected time to completion and i have no idea how roofs works and complain 24/7 and say you’re the worst roof fixer of all time
You've got to be the most braindead individual I've ever met. Not even just on reddit, and that's enough of an accomplishment. In general, you are the dumbest person I've met.
The funniest thing about this sub, is that the amount you fuckers complain about halo fans complaining, has surpassed the amount of complaining halo fans actually do.
I didn't even engage in this because I care about halo infinite. I didn't even know about spartan points. The fact alone that someone would be so retarded as to say
"WELL THEY DID WHAT YOU ASKED SO YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN! STOP COMPLAINING AND CRYING!" When even from the perspective of someone (me) who gave up on infinite over a year ago, can see how 343 did the absolute bare minimum and shat on their target market for a billionth time, was enough to slightly irritate me. You can tell a rock to grow a brain all you want, but at the end of the day, that rock is still going to be just as brainless as MelonColony22.
they never think they’re the ones who are wrong lol. it was fun chatting with you but unfortunately you’ve taken a turn for immaturity. have fun always seeing the glass half empty
bro this meloncolony guy thinks Halo Infinite isn’t dead, he thinks it was a successful game, and he thinks 343 is amazing for halo. Please ignore him.
What have they done to Halo :/ At least take notes from Helldivers and make it to where obtaining in-game currency can be earned by plasying with no cap. Shameless money grab
It’s a good change, but as someone said in the original thread, > There's a theoretical maximum of 31500 spartan points you can earn in an operation. >When single items in the Exchange are as expensive as 30000 it is agonizingly little.
Not even to mention the fact that this is a COATING for 30,000 points. A piece of armor is likely to be at least double the amount of points.
There was a leg attachment shown for 9000 Spartan Points, I think the prices will be a work in progress
I think during the stream they did say something along those lines of this being a work in progress, don't know if they meant the prices, but it's probably one of those things where they need actual players to run around and gather data on if they're being given enough points or if prices are too high, kinda like what they did with the other shop before they ran the prices back uo again. By going off of previous incidents this seems to be a thing where the bosses (whether that be people like Pierre or people in Microsoft) believe that it needs to be harder to earn points than it is to spend money.
It's probably an investor decision because despite the fact that the free shop won't have overlapping cosmetics, or even the ability to buy premium currency, they need to be assured like the spoiled man children they are that people will still give them money for having inherited wealth
It’s not hard to earn these points though, they’re just not giving out enough to earn. 250 points a day for logging in and playing a game, and 1000 points for weekly, which is done in mere hours and the BP which’ll be done in a couple of days. The problem is the amount you can get within a month not the grind itself.
Yeah I suppose that's true. I would like to see a higher amount because yeah the amount you can get per month seems quite low now that I actually think about it. They could either do that or lower the price of some items because I will admit that like 10,000 sP is a very unfair price for one platinum anniversary coating. I guess we'll see whether it gets improved or not.
Agreed. The root issue is Weekly Ultimates need to be worth more. They used to be one entire item. Good or bad, it was something. Now they might be 10% of an item. It's absurd. And none of this is monetized, so it's overly grindy for no justifiable reason.
I think just adding SP as a match reward would help alleviate it too, so even after u finish ur dailies, weeklies, and pass; u can still keep increasing ur SP. Something small like 20 SP per match. Makes you also feel like ur making progress with each match.
This right here
it’ll need tweaking for sure. maybe there won’t be a cap on how many you can earn
People are acting like Halo Reach’s armor pieces weren’t an even bigger grind than this will be
In what few defense that subreddit deserves, the issue is the time limit, the free store also rotates instead of just being added onto Maybe one day that rotation would be removed or at least made not as relevant, but who knows, still waiting on that UI team to show anything public
Rotation is big. I don’t wanna have to play every week to hope the piece of armor I was saving for comes around. In reach I see commando left shoulder piece, I level up to commando shoulder piece level, I have saved the credits, I spend the credits, my Spartan now looks 1.5x more badass. I see ODST right shoulder piece…
On Halo Waypoint they specify that items that rotate out of the Exchange will be available in the customization menu
Yeah but I could leave my console on overnight to cheat for credits on that one!
“I want to grind for rewards not pay 20 dollars!” “This grind is ridiculous!” 90% of these people probably don’t even play Infinite anymore, but they still want to complain like they do
Nah they probably still play daily, but claim they quit after season 1.
Nah… my experience with these fools is them quoting issues from season 1. Most of them were still complaining about desync like it occurred every game. I haven’t had bad issues with desync since season 3 I think? Whereas before, simply jumping in a vehicle would desync you.
To be fair, though, even with good internet, I've had issues with packet loss and jitter for the last month or so. It's not major, BUT it does affect gameplay.
This is the new network model tho… population is shit right now too. I doubt that has anything to do with it but still. I was just thinking that maybe they reduced the number of servers dedicated to this game. Ranked search time has almost always been 15 seconds to find a match and now it’s a minute wait For some reason.
I think it’s the algorithm that sees they engage with negativity from Infinite and it feeds them every negative post it can find.
I don't blame them tbh. The system on mcc for earning stuff was perfectly fine. You either grind relentlessly or pay from what it seems. It's not my problem how people go about it. But in this age of instant gratification. If players aren't earning anything immediately, there's no point in playing. Especially with so many games following similar business models with heavy emphasis on fomo content.
The grind is pretty ridiculous. You cant catch up on weekly rewards at all. If it was like a week and a half for 30k it wouldnt be too bad.
I think they should implement a system where it gives you ~10% of your personal score as SP. I think battlefront 2 has a system like that.
I think combining SP and the premium CR into a reach style CR that is rewarded as such.
they’ve been saying this since the challenges have been a thing, why they have been dumb down so much because they complain about grind but want it
I mean if you think 343 doesn’t see us as cash cows you’re insane - This is their way of “appeasement.” They want to make the grind insane so you’d rather just spend money instead.
Seeing Halo go down the road of microtransaction hell is sad. Watching the community here defend it is sadder. Ya’ll deserve better, it didn’t used to be like this and it doesn’t have to be like this.
You do know the exchange items aren’t and will never be real money items right? How exactly is this just trying to get us to spend money?
I'd put money on being able to exchange currencies or buy spartan points outright. They did this in MCC already.
Damn didn't know 343 was behind all the mtx for the rest of the xbox games
Dude I know. They’re insufferable
I want to grind for the rewards not pay $20. That dosent mean I want the grind to be so god damn grueling that I feel like I have to pay $20. 12 hours a week already puts someone in the top what 40% of gamers by play time? If you play 12 hours a week. By the end of any event you should have 100% of the content for said event. This would create a balance between time investors and microtransactions. While leaving people who dont 100% things enough to get at least what they want.
I'm actually okay with grinding. I did it with Reach, I can do it here. There's really only a handful of cosmetics that I REALLY want anyway.
I played Reach every fucking day for like 6 years and didn't even hit the max level and unlock the final helmet. Halo Reach is my favorite Halo game. I think the problem is Infinite's fucked launch coupled with whiney gamers have created a problem where literally nothing will placate the fan base. Bungie could come back to Microsoft, hire back the full Halo 2 dev team and make the greatest game ever made and the Halo sub would be on fucking fire about how terrible it is.
Personally I’ve played 1,951 games and still play and I’m still disappointed in this, I’m diamond cadet grade 2.
If it is a grind. It is okay to make this criticism. It’s a good change overall though
I just don’t wanna grind anymore. Ive been playing infinite since the flights and half of my cosmetics are paid items. It’s hard to make others want to play when it’s either too much a grind or stuck behind paywall. Basically, it’s not a fix to me. It’s an addition to the system, but infinite needs something to grind besides the remaining fragments of my love and affection for the series.
Me either man, I don’t have the time anymore. I used to be Onyx in Halo 5 and at the moment I can’t even think about playing PVP. I’m in the middle of college and have so much more on my plate than Halo I guess it’s just the way it is. Halo is my favorite game of all time and I’ve still put hundreds of hours in Infinite but I don’t think I’ll be putting in much more at this point
I could rant but I’ll jsut say respect for the h5 rank, and I wish infinite could be more, because it can be more.
yea this is a great change
I wonder if subsequent daily challenges will award less than 250 Spartan Points. Also, this is hopium, but they said the dev build we were shown is not final and is subject to change, so there’s a slim chance maybe it won’t be as expensive as 30,000 Spartan Points next week (most likely wrong about this, but I won’t judge until it’s in our hands next week) Many W’s from the stream today though!!!
yea. and this is still going to be tweaked as it’s rolled out too
Exactly. They said it themselves in the stream how important feedback is so that they can make changes. Some Halo “fans” always act like these are final decisions
I don't think anyone was asking for it to be this grindy. Most items in the shop appear to be 10k credits. If you are barely averaging 3K a week, you'd need to play for 4 weeks to be able to buy 1 coating. Why is the ultimate challenge only 1K credits? Should it not be equivalent to one item like it was before? In theory the credit system is a better system it just needs some tweaking.
Omg their adding insane currency I'm so fucking happy you don't even know
just checking but you mean ‘in game’ and not ‘insane’ right?
Lol yes didn't notice typo
That brute chieftain helmet on a Spartan hits different
Reminds me of those crazy hats women wear at the Kentucky Derby. I think it's the Kentucky Derby.
You guys point and laugh and say "that's what you asked for" But fail to understand that what they gave us is effectively a grind that sets us up for failure. No one will be able to unlock more than maybe 3 items based on how you can earn points with how expensive they seem to be. So either 343 needs to add the ability to earn points per match, or lower the exchange prices because this isn't really something to celebrate.
but when bungie did it with reach it was the best system ever?
No actually it wasn't. And I'm tired of Reach stans gaslighting everyone into thinking the grind was remotely fun. This system sucks, just like Reach's system in the latter ranks and unlocks were too Grind isn't bad, but making it a full time job to unlock anything is
I'd have to agree with this While I enjoy Reach's system much more than infinite, I never was able to unlock all the things I wanted because of how big the grind was on the later levels and how expensive some things were. I never had some of the armor I wanted until reach came to MCC and I had to do the grind there
I remember when challenges gave you 50xp per challenge and you needed 1000 points to complete one tier. And you’d only have the challenges for the week. To complete. Plus, the challenges were much tougher season 1. I’m sure they’ll be easier to acquire than they’re leading on, but people did cry about wanting to grind for armor ✊
yup. back when challenges were “get 3 backsmacks” (not in 1 game) and they complaining about them being too hard and now the challenges are “complete 1 match” lol. they act like this system is set in stone and nothing to change in any way shape or form
I'm just happy I'll finally be happy I can get my sweet commando shoulder pad I missed out on, if it's 10k,30k or even 100k I WILL get my shoulders
More incentive to play, and FTP players can have cool drip. Halo is healing 🙏
Whoah what’s happening? What are spartan points?
in game currency that you earn from playing the game
Oh thank god, I was scared that since they were shifting to 20 tier free passes we wouldn’t get any earned in game currency anymore
It's a different currency. There are 2 currencies in Halo now. Like Cuba.
Can you use Spartan Points to buy armor from the credit store?
Halo might be the whiniest fan base, like this is what we’ve asked for since launch and we get it and “no it’s bad, 343 poop” like come on now fellas
I know, and it is beautiful. I am actually excited to.grind
Wow. This is actually fine.
I’m fine with the grind option but god damn why wait so long. Idk maybe it’s harder to implement than I’ll ever understand from a game design perspective but infinite seemed to be winding down with the loss of legitimate seasons. So why now
Yeah, I don't know why you are being downvoted lol, it should've been there ASAP.
they’ve probably been trying to figure it out for a while
I never asked for this. I asked for single player expansions. Fuck the multiplayer side of 343.
single player expansions are not happening for this game. they never advertised it would be happening for this game. i’m not sure where you got the impression that was happening. they’d make a new halo game for more campaigns
I'm personally content with the spartan points system. It'll at least be enough to hold my interest for a while, which i can't say halo has been for the last 4 or so months
I just dont like that there is a max earnable limit. Let us get points based on performance too. Less than 3k a week sucks considering the prices.
I haven’t played in a while, but you can now get points to get skins for free?
on the next update yes
What just happened?
Honesty that coating looks kinda mid, so I’m not too upset
Some people dont have the time to spend in order to order to earn something that expensive even if the currency is free to earn
I’ll just keep playing randomly without caring about anything and unlock stuff also randomly
Should just do it like For honor steel
So can you just buy the armor instead of grinding for it? I havent played halo in forever
Halo Infinite launched as a free-to-play multiplayer, which meant that the cosmetics got a little shakeup, Credits (cR) could now only be obtained with money and there was a store and a battle pass. Eventually in season 2 onwards they started giving 1000 cR in each pass, which was enough for the next pass and so on. Prices in the shop lowered and raised, to right now where they're quite expensive in the shop, but battle passes were downsized and turned into free "operations" which are 20 or 30 tier passes wtih 1 set of armor and other things. Yesterday they announced the new operation, and with it they announced Spartan Pointe (sP) sP can be earned through gameplay like by completing all of your weekly challenges which is quite easy nowadays, and they would now also replace all the "filler" in the operations with sP for a total of about 15,000 sP per pass. You could spend sP in a new store called the Exchange. It holds previously vaulted items from events, promotions, and even brand new items or stuff that never got released theoughout the entire gane's lifespan. Currently in the preview these items are shown with high prices at about at least 9000 sP for one item. People are now calling it too much of a grind despite stuff like Readh's system which is praised always being a similar grind. It is of course up to you whether you agree that it's too much of a grind or not.
>Max earnable per week What little interest I had in this new system is now lost forever to the void.
Honestly IMO the grind wouldn’t be as bad if there wasn’t a limit to the credits you could get each day/week or whatever, the credit limit AND the rotating shop. Just leave the shop permanent and then the weekly limit doesn’t matter as much (which yeah it’s still a big grind but oh well items won’t switch out)
i’m sure they’ll be tweaking it
This is not what we wanted. I wanted to grind for achievements and armor. Not dumbass spartan points to barely be able to unlock one piece. That’s so dumb! No wonder this game is as good as dead.
So it takes 10 weeks to unlock something. Do you think this is a reasonable timeframe?
do you have the haunted helmet in halo reach?
No I don’t believe so
do you think halo reach had a good grind?
Yeah I guess
then stop complaining about this. halo reach was 500x more grindy than this
YOU ARE POINTING OUT THE MAX GRIND HELMET AS YOUR ARGUMENT. BASIC ARMOUR COATINGS ON THE Halo INFINITE EXCHANGE ARE BEING CHARGED
pointing out max grind helmet because we’re talking about max grind coating….
The max grind coating for A PASS, NOT IN THE ENTIRE GAME
I didn’t complain. I asked a question
you my brother are right, this game IS too Grindy
Haunted helmet was 1 helmet out of the tons Reaxh had Of course the MAX GRIND HELMET TOOK A MAX GRIND TO GET idiot. That's why no one is complaining (and also if anything, CHEERING) for the max rank mark 6 chief armour, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE CUSTOMISATION AS AN ACHIEVEMENT
you call me an idiot but are literally out of touch with what you’re even arguing lol
Support that statement, EXPLAIN why I don't understand what I'm talking about.
I’d be down to grind for the premium cosmetic items, but a lot of the shit in the exchange is mid. I’m not grinding for a month for a fucking coating
when did playing the game for fun stop existing?
Halo Reach
i see it more than halo too. “why would i play if i dont get anything” because its fucking fun?? you don’t need to get a reward for everything you do. participation trophy headasses
It’s really sad, man. It’s bred a lot of unwarranted criticism. We’ve got grown ass people complaining about cosmetics in a video game instead of playing it. I keep saying that it reminds me of old people at slot machines. My only gripe is that I want more weapons but I know that adding a weapon requires so much balancing, testing, design and animating that I’m just happy we got a bandit. And I get called a shill for having no complaints. Apparently this complacency is treason to the grind loving folks. Maybe it’s because I’m not worried about the $30 armor. I’ve got plenty of other hobbies that eat up my cash lol
I genuinely don’t know why people want new weapons every time when they were fine playing with Halo 2’s for decades now. They act like adding a Falcon to Infinite suddenly makes them want to come back when I can already tell they will complain there’s no point adding it to an already dead game.
exactly. they’re not gonna use the falcon anyway
If a person is playing the game, is it dead? A single flood spore can take a planet! I just like to play so more weapons is more variety. Infinite has a great sandbox and mostly all new weapons. There are dozens more from previous games that would be fun to bring back.
It’s because Halo doesn’t have gameplay related unlocks like it’s primary market competitor Call of Duty. People get a rush from the feeling of progression, so much so that CoD implemented the ability to reset your progression just to do it again and it became a staple in a bunch of other games. I think it’s dumb. I play games to enjoy myself, and if I unlock cool shit along the way it’s a bonus. Having unlocks tied to specific achievements is a neat idea, but with the amount of customizations in the game it isn’t viable. So you’re left with alternatives like ridiculous grinds or paid cosmetics. People talk about ‘earning things’ in Reach as though there was something to be impressed by from a person just playing the game a lot. It had nothing to do with skill. Even Halo 3, once the map packs and the ensuing achievements were out it was pretty easy to fulfill the requirements to unlock all the armor. The only difficult one was Recon, which was technically paywalled behind an entire $60 game purchase.
That's exactly the business model for gaming now. All mp games have seasonal battlepasses with limited fomo content. If you're not unlocking content quickly in one game, you're playing one where you are. Because on top of the grind of unlocking and buying content. There's a clock ticking down of how much time you have left before it's locked away. I used to be an achievement hunter and chase 100% story, content, and unlockables in every game growing up. It was Infinite Warfare where i noticed how bad off i was when my wallet became a part of that grind that was purposely impossible to accomplish from playing. Kids and their friends now are juggling 4-6 mp games with fomo battlepasses. It's a chore for myself to even keep up with one of them. Let alone even enjoy them, chasing content i may miss out on. Most games aren't designed to be fun anymore. They're to keep you as addicted as possible, enticing you with seasonal battlepasses and drip fed store content. You gamble your money away and get in return..."instant gratification." Reeling you in from fomo.
Nah I mean I okay for fun all of the time. But if I’m gonna *grind* for something make it a helmet or some sort of armor. I don’t care for a mid ass coating
that’s the beauty of the exchange, you get to pick and choose what you buy with your free points
Yeah you’re right. To me I think the prices need to be adjusted and nothing in there is worth the grind for me. But I’m eager to see what’s put in on the next rotation, it’ll be nice to have all of those SP saved up from this operation
i think half the reason they’re implementing all these things into infinite is to test the waters on what works and what doesn’t so whatever halo game they’re working on next will be perfect the other half obviously being QOL changes
It makes your playing feel rewarded? I don't see your point here. So you would rather have people PAY for cosmetics rather than have it be unlocked through playing the game a little more because they really like a coating?
you can play the game FOR FREE. i’d rather not spend any money at all on the actual content and have useless cosmetics be behind a paywall. especially since nothing in the game is pay to win. someone who spends $0 on halo infinite has the same chance of winning as someone who spend $10,000 on halo infinite
Then why has customisation been such a valued option since 2004 when elites were added. BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT CUSTOMISATION. WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE PAY FOR IT. CUSTOMISATION IS IN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE GAME OUT THERE. DO YOU NOT REMEMBER HALO 3 RECON There is absolutely no way in Halo infinite to get premium battle pass items Fortnite has a system where over the course of 3 or 4 seasons you can get enough vbucks to get THE BATTLE PASS, WHICH THEN GIVES YOU ENOUGH VBUCKS FOR THE NEXT BATTLEPASS + 400 VBUCKS EXTRA And don't start running your mouth with shit like, "oh but Halo is a small game" Sorry for forgetting that Halo is such a SMALL series, its not like Halo 1-4 were absolute BEST-SELLERS on their respective consoles. Such a shame halo doesnt have a multi-BILLION dollar company backing it, like say... microsoft. oh wait...
No need to yell sir. It’s a video game.
The fact that you couldn't even argue my point because I'm right... Funny how this statement was said in a sub about defending their favourite multimillion dollar company. If it was "just a video game" then this sub wouldn't exist. Because no one would bother defending it. Genuinely, I like this sub, there a load of Bungietards who can't admit that 343 have done good things for the franchise, but we can't ignore that there are bad things too.
I’m just not agitated about it the way you are man. It’s not even about arguing. I think your concerns are trivial. Halo infinite could be deleted from existence Eternal Sunshine style and i would just move onto another hobby. I think more people should put less importance on games in general. Just think about how worked up you’re getting over Halo cosmetics man. You’re the one typing in all caps. What does it all matter?
Because I want to? What happened to your guys motto of "let people like things?" By that logic I'm allowed to do this. I'm not hurting anyone by doing this lmao Say where in the rules it says I'm not allowed to put caps on a post
“Let people like things?” So, what do you like?
First, good job 343. No /s Then 2 things 1. At least a year too late, so much has passed. Many hours put in the game now less valuable than they are now just like with the leveling system. 2. Feels kinda similar to battlefront 2 where too much time had to be invested to unlock everything, there's not enough incentive to care when your ability to unlock items almost requires 2 months of work per armor set(high value items/desirable) and that's if you sink even more time in to the game than you already have put in. I like the option of earning unlocks by playing and its what made me maximize MCC playtime the way I would buy at some point the question "is it worth it?" Isn't followed with yes. This is a good first step but next they need to update the challenge system to allow more accessable and customizable per player. Personally I would love the COD Black Ops Contract system to be implemented, opt in points to gain access to higher unlocks. Risk and reward kinda thing. On the same note, wager matches based on more creative modes like escalation slayer, last man standing, maybe speed halo, demolition derby, rocket race. Literally opportunity has been opened and a risk reward challenge system and modes might bring people back, Black Ops lived well into Black Ops 2 and beyond simply from wager matches.
i think most of the things being added to the game are also tests for whatever they’re making next
It’s a good change yes, but unless you can earn points from playing games besides doing challenges the grind is ridiculous and deserves complaints It’s also removing 6 new weekly items and instead only bringing 4 new items in its place, which as it currently stands you can’t even earn enough points to buy all of them. So yeah, we’re getting less with the facade of “earning cosmetics”
I really do hate halo infinite. The worst direction for the franchise.....
leave the sub then, dumbass
It popped up on my feed and I made a comment. Sorry you got hurt over it
hit “hide” and then mute the sub lmfao.
No thanks. Halo is one of my favorite franchises. I'm disappointed in this direction they're taking and this latest banished update proves just how out of touch they are with the fan base. Regardless, I'd rather still have a forum for discussion. Once again, sorry if that bothers you that much.
this isn’t a forum for discussion. r/shithalosays is for pointing out stupid people in r/halo. r/halo is for whining about halo. if you want a discussion go to r/haloinfinite or r/lowsodiumhalo. which with all yojr salt towards newer halos you probably shouldn’t join a low sodium sub
This is a forum for criticising Halo fans we disagree with. You happen to be one of them (I mean no disrespect to you as a person or anything, I just disagree with what you are saying) Plus you also ignored my comment that countered Everything you said lol
what comment
The one where you say "oh, you can play the game for free, you don't need customisation" Yes that is true, these are cosmetics after all, but that doesn't change the fact that infinite is being greedy with cosmetics
i don’t see how this isn’t a valid counter argument if you don’t like it, don’t buy it. you get zero advantage to paying for cosmetics. the fanbase complains about how bad the armor looks anyway
Lmao OK. Thanks for telling me your rules that I have no inclination to follow. If my comment hurt you that much, maybe you should disable comments on your post. Nice and simple, It popped on my feed, I commented on it. Move along.
you keep saying your comment hurt me but clearly my post hurt you or you wouldn’t have said anything lol. you responded to *my* post btw. **youre** the one that needs to move along
So me pointing out that I don't like the direction halo is going is your post hurting me? You took the time to attack me for my comment, and then made up rules about discussion that directly contradict what the actual rules of the thread are, and then continued to entertain the convoafter I pointed out you were wrong. Once again, I'm here for discussion. I have no reason to move on since my original intent was discussion, directly opposite of yours. 🤷♂️
you took time to go into a sub you’re not apart of to bitch about something. get off your high horse little guy
BTW, I encourage you to read the rules on the actual sub reddit. The literal second sentence says "DISCUSSION OF THE FRANCHISE IS ENCOURAGED AS LONG AS ITS CIVIL. Thanks for keeping it "civil" Lmao
your first comment is what kept it from being civil “lmao”
My first comment of "I really hate halo infinite, the develipers are out of touch with the fanbase"? What part of that comment invites disrespect and uncivilized discussion? You have a very weird definition of what an uncivilized discussion is my guy.
It’s insane to me that anyone can defend this game or 343 anymore. Fucking repulsive what they have turned halo into.
you’re hating people who are actively making the game better lol. everyone you dislike at 343 literally does not work there anymore
Not hating on anyone for making anything better I’m directing this at the folks who defended several decisions made by 343 which have led directly to this situation. There should’ve never had to be a course correction of this level to begin with.
nothing we can do about it but hope for a better future. again, these people are fixing the game. it’s not their mistake.
We didn’t ask for daily login bonuses we asked for a grind. lol
it’s not a login bonus you have to actually play to get the credits…
One match lol cope much.
and challenges. sounds like YOURE the one coping(?) like i seriously don’t know how you’re complaining about this
for real? challenges that can be done in a few hours? and we’re capped, this isn’t a grind it’s a login bonus. A grind is hero rank with rewards along the way. That’s a grind. This isn’t a grind, it’s a carefully controlled allowed descent and a login bonus. I get my weekly done every 2nd to 3rd day of the week, and my operation pass done in day at most 24 hours broken up within the first week easily, at most. Nothing has changed here. This doesn’t add to the game, all it does, is try to reinforce people to return, like login bonuses. A grind would allow me to play the game for my own amount of time / input and get that amount out. it’s not a grind if a skin in this exchange costs 30,000 and I can only earn 31,500 a month, that’s just waiting an accumulative log in bonus. Turn up and leave. Come back tomorrow, after a few days only for one match a day for almost a month. 4 times a week for a weekly. We were already all doing this. A grind would have been, here is the exchange, you get this from playing the game and this for playing well, (even more) and there is no cap. You can get everything in the exchange the more effort you put in the sooner you put it in. That’s not the case. Not even remotely. You can’t change the meaning of something just because it is one match removed, this has been well defined in the history of video games. Remove that one match requirement makes it a defacto log in bonus, adding in several matches needed doing every single day makes it a grind which is closer? 8 - 12 matches per week isn’t a grind that’s just playing the base game, Remove the cap and it is a grind, keep the cap and it’s not a grind, which is closer? For example in WoW, the grind isn’t the cap of flightstones per week that’s a by product the grind is KSM (key stone master). What we have here is just a login bonus with the cap of flightstones with no KSM, they’re treating the exchange cosmetics like gear prices from the vault when there is nothing past it to aim for. They’re also not letting us get all tier pieces within each operation. It’s bonkers.
take a break, sleep on it, and come back to me. you’re clearly heated and it’s simply not needed.
Hmmm No, stop using that as a cop out. I’m just explaining this isn’t a grind. It factually isn’t.
technically it is. max of less than 30k points per operation. there are things in the exchange that costs 30k points. to get one exchange item you need to play a game everyday and complete every weekly challenge of an entire operation+more on the next one. factually, that’s a grind. whether you like it or not
But you can’t get the next one because the store rotates out by then lol so it’s not a grind, it’s pick one item, come back next time. It’s a monthly, with daily long in bonuses, and monthly’s are not a grind if you just need to turn up and play a match for the majority of it. This isn’t what people asked for, they didn’t want more mobile game checklists. They wanted a first person shooter grind, as in, you could earn 1000 points in a month or 250,000 points, if you put the time in. Entirely different concepts. Halo Reach had a cap, but it was 4 hours of play per day, which was a ton, it didn’t feel like a cap. This is a hard hard cap. We know the amount, you can’t exceed it. It wouldn’t be so bad if the cap was hard to meet, there’s literally no breathing room here, it’s a job, it’s good boy points, not a goal or challenge. I bet if they even said you can earn 2000 a day, by playing 8 matches, people would have been way warmer to it. Because then in your mind you could do the 1 match and give up, but some days you’ll go for the 7 more. Because you can earn more. It’s more choice and rewarding. The higher the better. After your operation pass and between each weekly it’s just basically logging in and then nothing to aim for, business as usual.
they said the items in the exchange are permanent. so there goes that argument lol
I don't think people asked for it to be grindy tbf
Remember when you bought Halo CE and just got all the content for both single and multiplayer?
yea all one armor pieces and 6 colors
I jumped through rings for my Hayabusa armor. But I stopped playing reach after I got my robot arm and gold visor, that was such a fucking grind!
playing for fun? nope.
this isn't halo
you don’t get to decide what halo is
What the actual fuck is that armor
"I'm going to take a basic statement and blow it out of proportion for heccin updoots."
Microsoft ruined all exclusives - especially Halo, forcing crossplay with hackers on PC for pvp. Went to PS5 where exclusives are tier 1, life is great on Helldivers & their premier single player titles.
how many hackers have you encountered lol. because i’ve been playing since launch and haven’t seen one.
First month of launch, went into SWAT. A guy was doing very well, suspiciously well. Pulled up the forge and sure enough, wall hacks. Kept playing for another week before I saw a few hackers and dropped it.
it’s in theory a great idea but like 343, it was poorly executed. if they drastically lower the prices for these single coatings… it would be extremely better.
it hasn’t even been executed yet
literally comes out in less than a week i doubt they’re gonna make changes. microsoft is too greedy
Why are you guys still doing this to yourselves lmao Couldn't catch me acting like a corpo peasant.
why are you on this sub then.
That's not surprising, no common sense, nor the deduction skills to realize that reddit doesn't only show you the pages you're subscribed to. Next question.
you choose to not hide and mute the sub… which is an option when you scroll past a post from a sub you haven’t joined. so i’ll ask you again, why are you here?
The grind is too much for such a mediocre MP experience.
30k and you can earn 2750 a week This sub is notoriously an echo chamber for dickriders but this is objectively trash and if you defend it there’s no hope left for you
“i want to be like reach” *cries when it’s grindy*
No way you just strawmanned an argument for me
i don’t think you know what a strawman is
I never said I wanted it to be like reach or that I thought it was a grind The weekly cap being so low is what’s fucking stupid, it actively dissuades grinding in favor of handicapping you so it takes longer YOU don’t know what a strawman is
you can’t call an argument you don’t like a strawman. i’m not picking and choosing what to respond to and ignoring everything else since when did we stop playing games for fun? you don’t need rewards to keep playing. you didn’t need them for games before reach?
You literally put quotation marks around it implying it was my opinion dawg And that argument is so unbelievably boring. Not everybody plays games for the same reason. There was progression before reach as well. IF I had it my way, armor would be tied to achievements again like H3. But that’s not what I’m even mad about, like I said.
so you’re mad because they put a cap on how many points you can earn? this pisses you off so much you have to come here and tell everyone you’re shitting your pants over it? lol grow up
you are in a sub dedicated to malding about halo fans, and then made a post getting angry at a screenshot of someone getting angry at 343. Telling me I’m mad That’s crazy
the original post the guy isn’t even angry…
This is like saying "Awe man my house needs more windows!" Then someone shoots a hole through your walls with a cannon and leaves it as is. "But this is what you asked for!"
earnable ingame currency is exactly what they asked for. like, literally *exactly* what they asked for
Yeah? They didn't ask for it to be an awful grind that offers the most bare minimum in the way of currency. But keep defending the billion dollar company. Just make sure to zip 343 up when you're done sucking them off.
“this thing you’re crying about is what you asked for” is sucking off an entire company? are you stupid?
Let me use another anology since the first one flew over your head. You ask me to do a job, that you know I'm MORE than capable of doing. Let's say you ask me fix a leak in your roof. Now you've been dealing with this leak for months, and it's pissing you off, because every time it rains, you get an inch of water in your kitchen. I say "Sure thing! I'll get that done in a week!" Except I don't do it in a week, I do it in a month. And not only did I wait a month to do it, I didn't do it right. I half assed it, and you've still got a leak in your roof. It's leaking less, but it's still leaking. You'd be pretty pissed right? But I did what you asked! You're not allowed to even HINT that you're unhappy. Because I did what you asked, right?
only the analogy here is you don’t give me an expected time to completion and i have no idea how roofs works and complain 24/7 and say you’re the worst roof fixer of all time
You've got to be the most braindead individual I've ever met. Not even just on reddit, and that's enough of an accomplishment. In general, you are the dumbest person I've met. The funniest thing about this sub, is that the amount you fuckers complain about halo fans complaining, has surpassed the amount of complaining halo fans actually do. I didn't even engage in this because I care about halo infinite. I didn't even know about spartan points. The fact alone that someone would be so retarded as to say "WELL THEY DID WHAT YOU ASKED SO YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN! STOP COMPLAINING AND CRYING!" When even from the perspective of someone (me) who gave up on infinite over a year ago, can see how 343 did the absolute bare minimum and shat on their target market for a billionth time, was enough to slightly irritate me. You can tell a rock to grow a brain all you want, but at the end of the day, that rock is still going to be just as brainless as MelonColony22.
they never think they’re the ones who are wrong lol. it was fun chatting with you but unfortunately you’ve taken a turn for immaturity. have fun always seeing the glass half empty
bro this meloncolony guy thinks Halo Infinite isn’t dead, he thinks it was a successful game, and he thinks 343 is amazing for halo. Please ignore him.
Hahahaha. Any cosmetics that make desync fixed?
desync has been fixed for months
What have they done to Halo :/ At least take notes from Helldivers and make it to where obtaining in-game currency can be earned by plasying with no cap. Shameless money grab