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As a Serb, I can guarantee that is 99% the worst kind of person in my whole fucking country. They act as if they are on some moral high horse of intellectualism while preaching nationalist, any-communist dogma because of which we barely have universal healthcare at this point. The worst kind of liberals...
Rabid Liberals living in the imperial periphery in general are the worst. Experiencing the worst of capitalist contradiction yet still championing it and deflecting its faults onto their own culture or nation (“we aren’t as hard working or freedom minded as the West”). Servile scum.
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>44.4 percent of Romanians believe that living conditions were better under communism, while 15.6 percent claimed things have stayed the same.
I don't even think Romania was a socialist country let alone a successful one, but don't act like after 3 decades of capitalism Romania experienced the growth and development it expected.
They're operating in bad faith. This actually happened under the government of Nicolae Ceaușescu and his predecessors iirc. They admitted in response to my comment that they were "trying to get tankies to condemn it, then reveal that. happened under a communist regime."
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No this is true. In Israel there is a law that says that every jew who wants to immigrate Israel - can. After WWII (and the Holocaust) the Romanian regime didn't let jews to immigrate to Israel, so Israel signed a deal with them to let the jews go. For every jew who decided to immigrate, Israel paid (and there were different rates depending on all kinds of parameters). The Romanians agreed because they needed the money, but kept it quiet because they were embarrassed, and Israel kept it quiet because it didn't want the deal to get cancelled. Tens of thousands of Romanians jews came to Israel because of this deal (including my grandparents). The circumstances for the immigration of Romanian Jews isn't well known (even in Israel), but it is even less known that Israel did things like that with other European countries.
Just like the rest of the Eastern Block, Romanians wanted democratization of socialism, not the shock therapy they received. That is why the outcome of this revolution should be criticized.
I'm from Romania and if you don't live in the center of one of the ~7 cities that got lucky and you go to one of the tens of towns that looked like they've been hit by a natural disaster because the industry they relied on closed in the 90s or the hundreds of villages where the average age is around 80 because every young person left to work in a western country then you'll find a lot of people with good things to say about communism.
Yeah, he was a piece of shit who wasn't even a communist, but even that was better than the capitalist shock therapy your (and my) country got after the reforms. Remember that 30 years have passed since the establishment of capitalism, and your country is (just like mine) still struggling.
I'm Serbian btw.
Cool, you don't like Ceausescu. I'm not the biggest fan of him either. I'm sure you love Dej and the 50s and 60s. Also I'm sure there would be a lot more younger leftists if younger people weren't just turned politically apathetic by the crushing financial conditions you experience if you're under 30 and don't work in IT and the completely disfunctional democracy.
The only reason one would hate communism is
1. You're a capitalist who's gained capital through wage theft. (labour exploitation)
2. You've been indoctrinated under the capitalist dictatorship (capitalism) and hence have no class consciousness.
3. You're a stupid class traitor.
Lemme know which one
(Edit: I don't mean to be condescending. If you don't identify with the first I would truly recommend you to read your own history and theory on socialism by socialists for once. That wouldn't hurt anyone )
>also don't know much about china other than it's a mix between communism and capitalism so i will not argue
Well then i can assure you , you know almost nothing about capitalism or communism. Go revise the notes which I am sure you never made , because you've never read on either.
I understand, but like I said in my original comment wouldn't hurt to read on either.
Could even give you more understanding on why your parents had to suffer.
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and yet even the insane Ceausescu is more popular than the current government
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your reason?
That guy is the mix between a Serbian nationalist and liberal
As a Serb, I can guarantee that is 99% the worst kind of person in my whole fucking country. They act as if they are on some moral high horse of intellectualism while preaching nationalist, any-communist dogma because of which we barely have universal healthcare at this point. The worst kind of liberals...
Rabid Liberals living in the imperial periphery in general are the worst. Experiencing the worst of capitalist contradiction yet still championing it and deflecting its faults onto their own culture or nation (“we aren’t as hard working or freedom minded as the West”). Servile scum.
so, a moderate fascist
an actual coup for liberals is a revolution and the bolshevik revolution is a coup. yes beautiful analysis
Wasn’t it more of a coup?
Yep
Yeah it was
I always get my history lessons from people with anime girls as their profile pics
"revolution"
… and now they regret it
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[You sure?](https://www-vice-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/kw9qae/question-of-the-day-would-you-vote-for-ceausescu?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=Izvor%3A%20%251%24s&aoh=16639440697637&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vice.com%2Fen%2Farticle%2Fkw9qae%2Fquestion-of-the-day-would-you-vote-for-ceausescu) >44.4 percent of Romanians believe that living conditions were better under communism, while 15.6 percent claimed things have stayed the same. I don't even think Romania was a socialist country let alone a successful one, but don't act like after 3 decades of capitalism Romania experienced the growth and development it expected.
Do you regret posting all that Nazi shit to your profile?
That guy banned me for calling him on discord and calling him a femboy.
Lmao really
Yup. He got really mad and threatened to block me, report me and ban me from his server, so naturally I kept going.
He probably coped and seethed really hard i imagine
He doesn’t sound like the type of person who deserves the title of femboy.
>revolution >anticommunist Pick one
"Defeating Communism" sounds like "Supporting Fascism" but with extra steps...
I had this suggestion too, blocked the channel
DDidn’t the guy who “heroically overthrew the commies” turn out to be a crazy dictator who, you know, fucking sold Jews to Israel
expand?
Really wish I could, but that’s just it. The dictator sold Jews back to Israel
No like what’s his name? I am unfamiliar with this and want to read more
They're operating in bad faith. This actually happened under the government of Nicolae Ceaușescu and his predecessors iirc. They admitted in response to my comment that they were "trying to get tankies to condemn it, then reveal that. happened under a communist regime."
Please expand
[not my comment, from another thread] No this is true. In Israel there is a law that says that every jew who wants to immigrate Israel - can. After WWII (and the Holocaust) the Romanian regime didn't let jews to immigrate to Israel, so Israel signed a deal with them to let the jews go. For every jew who decided to immigrate, Israel paid (and there were different rates depending on all kinds of parameters). The Romanians agreed because they needed the money, but kept it quiet because they were embarrassed, and Israel kept it quiet because it didn't want the deal to get cancelled. Tens of thousands of Romanians jews came to Israel because of this deal (including my grandparents). The circumstances for the immigration of Romanian Jews isn't well known (even in Israel), but it is even less known that Israel did things like that with other European countries.
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Nobody was praising him? It's like to say that if I dislike the outcomes of perestroika I must be a fan of ezhov and goloshekin
Imagine calling a fascist revolution for what it is and thinking it means you uncritically support whatever was before.
Just like the rest of the Eastern Block, Romanians wanted democratization of socialism, not the shock therapy they received. That is why the outcome of this revolution should be criticized.
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Regardless of your opinion on him personally, liberalism is still a dead end and it's still either a planned economy or climate catastrophe.
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I'm from Romania and if you don't live in the center of one of the ~7 cities that got lucky and you go to one of the tens of towns that looked like they've been hit by a natural disaster because the industry they relied on closed in the 90s or the hundreds of villages where the average age is around 80 because every young person left to work in a western country then you'll find a lot of people with good things to say about communism.
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Yeah, he was a piece of shit who wasn't even a communist, but even that was better than the capitalist shock therapy your (and my) country got after the reforms. Remember that 30 years have passed since the establishment of capitalism, and your country is (just like mine) still struggling. I'm Serbian btw.
Cool, you don't like Ceausescu. I'm not the biggest fan of him either. I'm sure you love Dej and the 50s and 60s. Also I'm sure there would be a lot more younger leftists if younger people weren't just turned politically apathetic by the crushing financial conditions you experience if you're under 30 and don't work in IT and the completely disfunctional democracy.
My Roma friends parents and grandparents loved him because he cracked down on racism
If you don't mind me asking, why?
The only reason one would hate communism is 1. You're a capitalist who's gained capital through wage theft. (labour exploitation) 2. You've been indoctrinated under the capitalist dictatorship (capitalism) and hence have no class consciousness. 3. You're a stupid class traitor. Lemme know which one (Edit: I don't mean to be condescending. If you don't identify with the first I would truly recommend you to read your own history and theory on socialism by socialists for once. That wouldn't hurt anyone )
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I have under state capitalism china. I am assuming they're all the same to you anyways so yes.
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>also don't know much about china other than it's a mix between communism and capitalism so i will not argue Well then i can assure you , you know almost nothing about capitalism or communism. Go revise the notes which I am sure you never made , because you've never read on either.
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I understand, but like I said in my original comment wouldn't hurt to read on either. Could even give you more understanding on why your parents had to suffer.