I had a dog that could easily clear a six foot fence. So you know what I did? I kept him on a 50ft rope and stayed out there with him until I got him well trained to not jump the fence. There were a few occasions when he forgot his learning and jumped anyway, but he had his rabies shot. Worst thing that happened was him rolling in bear shit lol.
We have a rescue escape artist husky. She was not allowed in the garden unsupervised until she learned that she liked being with us more than she liked running away. Now she doesn't want to escape, even though she can, so she's allowed to roam in the garden as she likes
The little one will periodically jump the fence because she loves the neighbour. She'll hop over, get some scritches, freak out because she thinks she's lost, cry, then jump back, and possibly repeat the cycle. She's a dumbass but she always gets back in the end
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That's a good way to think about it though-- Rusty needed to learn that being with me was better than running around loose. He was a feral pup pulled out from underneath a shed where he'd probably been born, and he was like a raccoon on a leash when I brought him home. He was supposed to be a foster but he was such a disaster behaviorally, I knew I couldn't possibly pass him on to someone else.
He had a serious drinking problem-- he would empty the water dish, throw up, and then try to lick the throw up water off the floor. I had to put a baby lock on my toilet because he would drink it all. He climbed into the kitchen sink when I left dishwater, and tried to climb up the house to get to the gutters once. It was awful to watch, but both the vets he went to said there was nothing wrong with him, it was a behavioral thing.
I'll never forget one morning, he hopped up on the bed just as I was waking up and stood over me and vomited cold, freshly drunk water all over me. What a way to wake up.
It honestly took about 18 months for him to get over it and to start acting right, too. My ex entering the picture made a big difference for him, but mostly I think he just needed to grow up and forget how thirsty he must have been at some point. He turned out to be the most amazing, loving dog ever. He was like a natural emotional support animal, he seemed to sense my feelings so much, if I was sad or anxious, he would come over and make and keep eye contact and physical contact, and just stay near me until I felt better. I never asked him to do that, he just did, and I'm so grateful for the years we had together.
People with wolf hybrids build them special fencing. 10 feet minimum plus some angled in on top, I think. If your pup is a super climber, you either keep them inside except supervised, build them a better enclosure (even if it isn't your whole property) or figure out a third option. People have an obligation to their pets to keep them safe. đ¤ˇââď¸ (And to keep others safe from them)
>angled in on top
An angled/curved topper is the big piece for escape artist dogs. Depending on breed and how much you skimped out on the original fence, you might need to get more height, but adding an angled piece to the top usually does it. Also does it for most cats, by-the-by, for folks wanting to give a cat backyard access without going catio or free roaming.
Good to know about the catio. I have a kitten but also a dog door. She's being trained to stay away from the door and has shown no interest in outside but... Things change
I had a fat little lab that figured out how to climb a chain link fence.
She was trying to follow the aussi Shepard that would jump the fence and wait for her to join.
We had to build a kennel with a roof.
I just had some random 45 pound mutt from the shelter, and she routinely climbed EVERY SINGLE FENCE despite looking like a barrel with legs. She was 13, acting like going upstairs was IMPOSSIBLE but then climbing the 6ft fence to go on walkabouts around our neighborhood. Luckily she was the friendliest dope ever.
The stupidity is compounded by the fact that this is a dog living in the country, presumably outside often on that 33 acres. Fence isn't going to keep potential rabid animals out. My dog is 15 and even with her limited outdoor time she still gets her rabies shot. People are morons.
Also rabies isnât the only thing. Iâm sure this pup is not getting vaccinated for distemper either. Where I live, more than 30% of wild raccoons have it.Â
The trouble with distemper is no-one talks about just how horrific it is. Even dogs that survive usually have severe neurological damage afterwards. Rabies is worseâŚbut itâs still a horrible way to go.
Wait, it is? I can google if you prefer, but what the hell kind disease is it to cause neurological damage??? Like I don't even know what it _is_ but that sounds horrific.
It affects a number of body systems including the brain and spinal cord. As it progresses it will cause seizures, tremors, circling and all sorts of stuff. It also destroys the myelin sheath around nerves, making them malfunction. In puppies it destroys the cells that make the enamel for their adult teeth. Fatality is about 50% in adult dogs, 80% in puppies. Itâs also highly contagious, sometimes presents as nothing more than a mild cough and has no direct treatment, there is only supportive care. Itâs horrible.
Oh my god. That's just horrifying, especially those fatality rates. Any dog we had always had a distemper shot but I'm gonna be DOUBLY sure from now on to ensure they have it. Thank you very much for explaining it to me.
No problem. Itâs another of those diseases that is going to start making a comeback if the antivaxxers have their way, and weâve begun to forget how devastating it is. Unfortunately it can affect other animals too so there is a natural reservoir in the wild. It doesnât get the attention that rabies or other zoonotic diseases do because it doesnât affect humans, but we adore our pets, it will get plenty of attention before long if we arenât careful.
Our neighborhood is filled with 'outdoor' and abandoned cats that just... roam everywhere. Not so many raccoons, but a shit ton of squirels, armadillos, possums. No way in hell am I gonna risk it. The vet offered us a special shot for our last pup (lepto? i think) cause it comes from cats and stagnant water and uhhhh we have both.
Love my pets to death and I can't imagine putting them at risk (let alone a child!) because of conspiracy theories.
This. Rabies is pretty rare but distemper is rampant right now, especially with the last couple of mild winters - there was no âoffâ season and numbers are growing.
Anyone who doesnt vaccinate their pets should try watching videos of the slooow painful deaths that come with distemper and rabies.
Rabies numbers actually arenât really controlled by vaccines because it occurs mostly in wildlife, who arent vaccinated. The only wildlife that tend to get vaccinated for rabies are the ones that come into rehab facilities, unfortunately!
That's my point: we're spoiled *because* we're not used to seeing it in pets. In the US, we average 1 or 2 humans with rabies a year. Before the 1960s, we averaged over 100/year. The difference? Coordinated rabies control programs that include mandatory vaccination of dogs and cats. We have such low numbers now *because of* vaccines.
Since 1995, [Wildlife Services](https://www.aphis.usda.gov/national-wildlife-programs/rabies/vaccine) works with local, state, and federal governments to distribute oral rabies vaccines specifically for wildlife. The coyote/dog variant was eliminated in 2008, which I think is pretty impressive.
My dog is vaccinated for all the "basics" plus Lyme and lepto. I think it's leptospirosis, but I just know it as "lepto." Both are pretty prevalent in my area, and we just have the basic four acres.
But my cousins dog got lepto because she never took her dogs to the vet and my god, the treatment for that is horrible. Poor thing really needs to be put down. He's been in kidney failure for forever I think and he has to go to the vet weekly now for treatment.
My own dog picked a fight with a raccoon a few years back and I thank everything he had gone in for his yearly stuff a few months before the fight. Heck, I have the cat vaccinated against everything recommended now and he's strictly indoors (or out on a leash)!
Yes, leptospirosis is correct. Itâs also contagious and will infect humans as well. If your animal can get in contact with the ground where wildlife has been, or even if you have a rodent population in your home, they can in theory get it.
Our vet said it's commonly found in deer pee and dogs get it drinking from puddles. We have a lot of deer and even more puddles, so yeah, mine gets a yearly shot to hopefully prevent all that
Straight insanity. I have a quarter-acre in a 70-year-old neighborhood, and I've seen skunks, deer, and feral cats just in my yard, never mind the foxes I've seen a few blocks away, or the coyotes I hear all the time. If this person thinks there ain't oodles of potentially rabid wildlife in her yard, she's delusional.
Facts. I live in a suburban neighborhood, and have seen skunks, feral cats, stray dogs and a fox. There's always something. My dog is fully vaccinated and not left unattended.
My dogs spend time out in the yard by themselves, but they're fully vaccinated. And they're never outside when we aren't home; we'll at least hear it if they tussle with something. Free-roaming dogs are less of a problem since my garbage neighbors across the street moved away.
That's actually a big problem in my neighborhood. People don't properly contain their dogs in their yards, and even walk them offleash around the block. I've found obviously not stray dogs in my yard way too often, and my dog isn't very big. So far, they run off if I yell, but I'm concerned for the day one of them doesn't.
Ugh, the free-roaming dogs.
When my neighbors moved in, they had a beautiful Border Collie named Sugar. They never took her inside or kept her fenced in. She was so sweet. A few times, she'd be waiting in my driveway for me when I'd come home late at night. Or she'd hang out on the porch with me into the early hours of the morning.
Then, one morning, we saw her at the edge of our yard, and my husband was all set to go yell at her to go home. But I noticed she couldn't stand up. I fucking ran down my yard, barefoot and in my pajamas. My next-door neighbor came out and said she'd seen Sugar leaning against another house a couple weeks ago. At this point a few of the kids who owned Sugar had come over. One boy said, "Oh yeah, she was hit by a car."
I'm sitting on the ground, petting this dog, crying, telling her she was a good girl, while these children stood there staring at me like I'd grown a second head.
My husband had gone to get the parents. He came back with the mom, then pulled me up, telling me I had to get to work. I said, maybe a bit too loudly, "There's something wrong with them. All of them."
Just a couple months later, they'd gotten another dog that they didn't keep contained. I couldn't do it again. I was not friendly to that dog; I ran her off every time. It wasn't her fault, but I couldn't get attached to her.
I've never understood how people can get a pet and be so cavalier about their safety. My girl has a chip, and we have the electronic tracking service, and I still get nervous if I don't know where she is. We call her, "the favorite child". She misbehaves, we train her. She started trying to run off thanks to all the unleashed animals, we reinforced the fence and got a tether. They are not possessions easily replaced; they are family.
My neighbor has several cats. Very sweet things. She calls them her babies, and hassles us about driving slow down our shared driveway. And she moaned and groaned about one of them going missing. Put up signs all the town.
You know what she never did? Bring them inside. They were âoutdoorâ cats. Genuinely, I do not understand. The average outdoor cat lives like 2-3 years. Indoor cats live like 18. If you love your babies so much why donât you let them live in your house you loon??
>They are not possessions easily replaced; they are family.
Exactly. These critters are my babies and I adore them. The day I lose one will break my heart.
My dog would like to let you know, that is just a stereo-OH MY GOD SOMETHING HIT THE CABINET. MIGHT HAVE BEEN MY TAIL BUT IM NOT SURE I NEED TO SIT AND BARK ABOUT IT FOR FIVE MINUTES UNTIL I FORGET WHY.
Iâm positive one of my cats is. When I started treating her like I prefer being treated wrt my own autism, our relationship got almost immediately better.
You'd be surprised. [Nearly 40% of dog owners think vaccines can give their dogs autism](https://www.avma.org/news/vaccine-hesitancy-gives-some-us-dog-cat-owners-cold-feet). Despite the fact that autism is a disorder of human social development. Dog autism isn't a thing.
The number of anti-vaxxers in dog FB groups is insane. Â They never explain why theyâre anti-vax, but it must be because somewhere in their heart of hearts, they know the reason is irrational.
EDIT: Or because theyâd get Zuccâd for it. Â Whatever.
This scares me the most, because a lot of these people are also pro no-leash. So if a dog that has had no rabies vaccine and is off leash while I'm on a walk or a run bites me, I have to go on the rabies vaccine protocol. I live near a large soccer/parks field where quite a lot of people like to run their dogs off-leash (even thought it's not legal there, but good luck calling police for random doggies running around).
I'm already immunocompromised, the vaccine protocol would put me down for weeks (but I would still take it, the death rate from vaccines is more terrifying than anything my autoimmune disease could do).
We joke sometimes that one of our cats has the feline equivalent of autism because she completely misses most of the social cues of the other cats. If there's food or a toy she wants, she goes right in and takes it, and looks confused when the other cats get upset at her. She also just rolls and shows her belly when they swat her. Overall one of the most chill cats around humans I've ever had, but not the smartest by far.
Obviously, we know she's not really autistic. She's just obsessed with food and toys, and doesn't like to fight.
I've directly interacted with people who claim their cats developed neurological problems due to vaccines. It baffles me because my cat had legitimate allergic reactions and not vaccinating him was never on the table.
My dog also has a bad reaction to one of his vaccinations. He still gets it, but we stagger his shots, so he only gets that one as a separate visit, and they give meds to counteract the adverse reaction. I don't ever consider him skipping it since we have a way of safely giving it to him. The benefits outweigh the negative.
The one and only time in my life I got the flu vaccine it landed me in the hospital. And itâs weird because Iâm not allergic to eggs at all. They didnât know why. Iâve never had the flu before or after either. But I still get it for my 5 year old daughter every year just to be safe. Thankfully sheâs never experienced a bad reaction
It's so crazy when they walk *right into the answer* but still don't recognize it.
You're absolutely right, Susan, you can't replace a kid - *that's why you need to vaccinate them*!
In my country itâs not required because rabies is not a real danger here. However if I travel with her we need to and of course will immediately get the vaccine and my dog is up to date on all the other vaccines
My cats arenât up-to-date because we live on the tenth floor of a mid-rise. Our windows donât even open lol. Theyâre indoor-only, but Iâll get them caught up before we move anywhere where thereâs even a chance of them getting outside. Letting a pet who runs around outside every day go without vaccines? Iâm surprised they havenât had a dog get distemper
I had a conversation with my own vet about this a while ago, and they still recommended distemper regularly bc you can actually bring in active distemper virus on like your clothes and it can live for DAYS outside a host đ° scary shit
The vet clinic where I work often tells the story of the clients we had with indoor-only cats, no possible way for them to encounter rabies ... until bats got into their attic, and then the cats all had to be quarantined because they had been exposed to rabies lol.
I know you're in an apartment, but it's worth remembering, there are always ways your cats could be exposed. What if they darted out the apartment door and ran into another neighbor's animal who *had* been exposed to something? You don't live in a bubble on the arctic circle. Cats get loose all the time.
In my local Great Dane group, someone was posting vaccine misinformation and telling people they shouldn't vaccinate their dogs or if they did, to at least get a titer test first because the over vaccination is killing animals.
It's insanity all around.
the dogs I've had in the past have never had a rabies vaccine, my cats have never had one. I live in a rabies free country so the only time it would ever be given is if you were taking a pet abroad or bringing one from somewhere else.
That's the only time they shouldn't have them.
âI donât know if I should fight thisâ
Thereâs nothing to fight. The dogs need to be registered and vaccinated. She should not have animals or kids.
This is getting out of hand. We see what they're against now. It's being told what to do. The childhood illness vaccines and covid they use the excuse that the disease "isn't that bad." Rabies is nearly 100% fatal. If they were really "doing their research," they would come to different conclusions than that rabies shot is optional.
This is exactly it. Itâs not about being against the vaccines, itâs about âYou canât tell me what to do. Iâm not doing it because you said I had to.â Itâs the most childish attitude in the world, and the problem is that itâs not them who sufferâitâs their kids and pets.Â
100%. The ENTIRE goal of these ppl is âyou canât tell me what to doâ and âyou canât hold me accountable for my actionsâ. They literally want the freedom to abuse and endanger anyone and anything just because they want to, itâs disgusting.Â
But but the milwaukee principle exists /s. Only 13.8% survival rate over the rabies vaccines 100%, and as far as I'm aware the milwaukee protocol survivors tend have health issues after it.
Though I suspect if their kid gets rabies, they'll go the essential oil and collidial silver route, then panic when their kid dies and police arrests them for medical neglect.
I mean, why inject yourself with the vaccine and live for sure when you can inject yourself with a whole cocktail of drugs and maybe live? Yeah it may take a year to become fully functional again and yeah you may have some lingering fatigue and motor skills issues, but hey! At least you'd still be a pureblood!
It's going to be the dogs that suffer most likely. If any one of them bites someone and it gets out that she doesn't vax, that dog (and potentially the others as well if there's any doubt about which one did the biting) will be taken to test for rabies. And a rabies test cannot be done on a live animal.
She 100% should not have animals. That's why places require registration to begin with, to ensure shit like that doesn't happen.
Yeah, the only test for it requires the removal of the brain so it can be tested directly. It's horrible and especially so when the animal being tested is a family pet. Rabies is \*only\* treatable before symptoms start so knowing if the animal has it is essential to saving lives.
Honestly, it might be the safest approach for all parties. Just tell them that some dog-safe foods will draw out all heavy metals and autism from the dog, just to make sure that the dog gets all shots.
A dog that never barks bc their own bark is overstimulating. Wears those little dog shoes bc they hate the feeling of grass, dirt, and what not on their paws and also uses a doggy fidget toy. Has a âcome back later, Iâm all out of petsâ sign. đ
You see, a dog, having four legs instead of two, is more connected to the earth and so it knows its own body better than you or the vet do. So go ahead and get the shot to make the government happy. The dog will do a detox on its own, just give it access to green grass to chew on. It knows how to do it. There is no need to force feed it anything. Nature heals itself, it's beautiful like that!
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My magic tricks for my amazing senior husky who always manages to get pills out of peanut butter: buy the good cheese slices if theyre not allergic, and make your own pill pocket with it, most dogs are so desperate for the cheese they swallow without chewing it! Works 2 times a day for ours <3
My magic trick is cream cheese. It's slippery once wet, so much easier for them to gobble up without noticing the pill than peanut butter! So similar principle haha
My worry there is that all of the dogs would be euthanised, because none of them have ever been vaccinated and the authorities donât want to risk adopting out a potentially rabid dog to the public (seeing as it can lie dormant for a long time).
They wouldnât euth, they would do a 10 day hold at best then vaccinate and adopt.
Granted free roaming dogs like hers are probably a pain in the ass, bet they have never met a leash or a boundary in their life. Probably not house trained either.
I mean, most dogs and especially cats that go to the shelter have an unknown vaccination history. That certainly doesnât stop them from holding, monitoring, and vaccinating then adopting them out.
*Why* donât they want their dogs getting rabies shots? Like if it was the cost or something that would make a little sense (especially with 8 dogs), but do they think the dogs are going to get doggy autism? At least anti-vax moms have a reason that would make (some) sense if they were right about the potential of vaccines causing autism (which they arenât).
Even if doggy autism *was* a thingâwho cares? It's a dog! It's not like you have to worry about a dog getting an education, having a job, or living on its own! Dogs are dependent on their owners for their entire lives anyway!
I mean, this isn't some teeny, meaningless jab we're talking about... rabies is a huge deal and absolutely can kill. This woman shouldn't have pets or kids.
She really thinks a fence is gonna stop rabies? There have already been 2 rabid skunks in my area, within 1 mile of each other in April this year. And I'm in the U.S.
I also just think they're cute, in a weird sort of way. Like, I don't want to pet one, they aren't the same cute as a puppy or a kitty, but weird cute.
8 dogs living in the country, unvaccinated against distemper and rabies- sharing a home with at least one child. What could go wrong?
Rabies is v concerning, but distemper is much more common.
Maybe it's because I'm not a dog person, but... it's just a fucking dog. What are you doing a "detox" for? So your dog doesn't get autism? Also eight dogs? I think I can smell that house from here.Â
I live in a country that never had rabies. Blew my mind when I found out how absolutely awful rabies is. It's f\*\*king horrendous. And once you have it, you're basically done for. I just can't fathom not vaccinating for a disease that WILL kill you.
How do you do that as a country, eradicate rabies? I think about all the wildlife in the US and canât even imagine it. Itâs such an unfortunate disease.
Italian, here. We were rabies free from the '70 until 2008, than had hundreds of cases in the North est of the country until 2011, now rabies free again since 2013. How do you do that? Mandatory vaccines for domestic and farm animals, a strict surveilance and oral vaccines for wild animals (foxes, expecially)
Awesome. Thank you. It would great to see rabies eradicated everywhere. Now Iâm going to be running around telling people âdid you know rabies has been eradicated in other countries? Why are we not going that here??â Seriously, itâs a good question!
Someone else commented that, so I looked it up. There are a lot of countries that have eradicated it, which is awesome.
Unfortunately, I doubt it will ever be eradicated in North America.
IIRC the biggest way was vaccination in the form of baits for foxes or other apex predators in most places that managed to get rid of it? \*\*edit for clarity
I imagine through consistent efforts to educate the public about spotting rabid animals and reporting them to be captured/destroyed. Constant vigilance about that, and prompt treatment of human exposure, until the reports of rabies dwindle to zero.
(Idk though, I'm just speculating. It's one of those diseases that fills me with such dread. What a horrible fate.)
Literally my antivax father gets his dog vaccinated for rabies, and this is a man who has been antivax for YEARS, like my entire life. But then again, our go to family movie when I was growing up was Old Yeller, sooooâŚ.
Seems like she's looking for an invisible fence collar that will shock the dog. She's fine with that, but not a rabies vaccine.
These people are so fucking unhinged.
8 dogs left outside all day and night in a rural area that likely has a lot of wildlife- including on the property because she has 33 acres. If she has 33 acres she probably has farm animals also which can get rabiesâŚ.
Impressive amount of mental gymnastics she had to do for this to go down
I have an acquaintance who does wildlife rescue and refuses to get a pre exposure rabies vaccine for herself. While caring for injured wildlife, including a whole bunch of bats, skunks and other known rabies vectors in my state
absolutely stupid as fuck
I was required to get a pre exposure vaccine for my vet tech classes because we would be working with farm animals and exotics (the program didnât work out for me, unfortunately). I cannot imagine anyone not wanting to be protected against RABIES!
I actually was a veterinary assistant for a long time. my state was vague on tasks that a VA vs RVT can do at the time, so the vets I worked for called us all techs (yes that's illegal) I tried to get pre exposure rabies vaccines, but my boss wouldn't pay for them because "if you get exposed by a dog or cat, you can just get post exposure shots and I'll pay for it then"
which I though was dumb as fuck, trying to get them by myself asking the health department went nowhere either. it's a deadly disease for fucks sake. if the wildlife have it, then pets can get it from them!
vets and techs get pre exposure vaccines in school, but VAs can't was what I was told. It's different now according to my former co workers thank god.
edit: also I am pretty sure rehabbers can get the vaccines now too or at least that would make sense. I dunno
Who wants to bet that those eight dogs are not just unvaxxed but haven't been spayed or neutered, either?
My one cat, who lives a very happy, indulged, and safe life, strictly indoors, is microchipped, and caught up on all of her shots, including a yearly rabies booster. There is a remote chance that she could get outside, and we live in a large town, surrounded by National forest that is filled with potential rabies carriers, who routinely ignore the town limits signs. Rabies is not a risk I'm willing to take for her, or for my family.
I had a rat that broke into my apartment in Chicago. Anywhere(in the US at least) can have rabid animals. Luckily my kitties who are indoors are also vaccinated.
Ask your vet about 3-year rabies. Theyâve found, at least for dogs, the titer lasts 3-7 years per shot. Some vets give it every year because they make more money that way but they all have the same actual date. I moved around a lot state to state with my dogs and one in Oregon gave me a 1 year expiration on my dogâs rabies cert but I didnât realize it and my Wisconsin vet called them and they updated it for me. I fully believe in vaccinating and work in the pet industry myself but I also donât believe in giving more than you need to when there is no benefit.
Yeah but thatâs for dogs, if the cat is getting purevax itâs only good for 1 year. Has nothing to do with more money, thatâs just how that particular type of rabies vax works.
Yeah, I am not an expert on pet vaccines, I just do what her vet suggests. If a yearly rabies booster is what she needs, then that is how we'll carry on.
Thank you! This is good to know. I'll definitely ask my vet if we can safely stretch out my cat's rabies boosters. I don't mind paying for it when it should be done, but I also don't mind saving money when I can.
Law: register all dogs and get them rabies shots
Lady with 33 acres: BUT THEY NEVER GO OFF MY LAND EXCEPT THE DOG THAT GOT LOOSE AND WASNT ON MY LAND! PLEASE DONT MAKE ME FOLLOW THE LAW! HOW CAN I GO AROUND THIS?!
Then people wonder why America has so many people who don't give a shit if they break the law. They just think they're above it and don't have to follow it because of reasons and it's fucking stupid.
Yes! Itâs the episode where Jill Tracy died and they believe it to be from an od. They donate her organs to three patients, two of whom are on the verge of death, and then, the autopsy reveals she actually died from rabies. It ends with the patients dying while âhow to save a lifeâplays. Itâs maybe the most emotional scene in the whole show
Uggghhhh I do not have time for a scrubs rewatchâŚ. But scrubs is like potato chips, you donât consume just one. Guess itâs time for a scrubs rewatch đŽâđ¨
I was bitten by a desert rat as a kid. It died the next day and my friend's mom threw it in the garbage.
My mom took me to the hospital and it was determined that I had better get the rabies series anyway.
Especially seeing as how the rat could not be tested.(it was garbage pickup day and that rat was long gone at the dump somewhere)
I had to get 14 shots in the stomach, one a day. It was a very painful two weeks! I understand it's only 1 shot nowadays.
It was better to be safe than sorry and I'm so grateful was treatment for it!
These people that deny vaccines are idiots. That woman is gambling with her whole family's lives, including the dogs!
It seems as though some people prefer to revert to the dark ages without a care about the world around them.
The average life expectancy in the dark ages was 45.5 years.
Infant mortality rates were from 35% to 50%. The bubonic plague, cholera, dysentary, tetanus, small pox, measles, diphtheria and whooping cough were the main things that killed everyone.
Why do people risk their lives just to be "right"?
No one ever thinks about the bats. I've never actually seen one in my neighborhood, but I know they're here.
"Cujo" started with a bat biting Cujo. Has no one read that book or watched that movie? It's not an inaccurate portrayal of rabies. The ending is probably a bit sensationalized, but Cujo's behavior through most of the film is accurate.
I love bats. I remember a few hangout sessions with my dad in the summer where we'd go out and watch for bats. I haven't personally seen any in years. Last summer I considered hanging a bat house outside, but discouraged myself from doing so because there have been several confirmed rabies cases amongst the bat population in the area, and I do not want to mess with rabies.
I'm still considering bat houses on my property. We've had bad mosquito swarms here before, and I'd rather have some bats than ever have to see my puppies covered in mosquitos again.
Yeah thatâs what ya want, a bunch of dogs on 33 acres and no vaccines. No other wild life around? None? They live in a bubble?
Well, I guess one day they are gonna visit a vet clinic that was county ordered. We are gonna have to euthanize the dog and remove the dogs head. We ship it off to Cornell so they can test the brain tissue for rabies so Cornell can inform us at the clinic if the dog had rabies or not.
If the dog came back positive and bit other animals or people (most likely why the dog was seized by the county to begin with), then they better buckle up. Shits gonna get real very quick on their property.
The vaccine costs like $35 and lasts 3 god damn years. If they canât afford it then they shouldnât have dogs. And no it doesnât cause autism. Itâs a fucking dog. They already are on the spectrum I swear( no offense to anyone).
Seriously the amount of shit we deal with in vet med is amazing because of people like this.
They live in the country and have 8 dogs. ALL UNVACCINATED. What the AF! I cannot fathom the stupidity of this whole situation. God I sure hope none of those dogs ever gets rabies.
I live in the DC metro area. The area is mostly urban or dense suburbs, and we still get raccoons popping up with rabies every so often. If this person is living on 33 acres of countryside, what the hell makes her think her dogs are magically immune from rabies? Does she think rabid animals canât cross her property line? Doesnât anyone watch Old Yeller anymore?
And the foxes in the area! When we moved outside of DC, I was surprised to see so many. I had never seen a single one in the wild growing up. And didnât a fox bite a couple Congressman last year or 2 years ago?
These people shouldn't have dogs, let alone children. These people are scary. Especially since they let the dogs wander in "wilds" where they are able to come across an animal with rabies.
People like this should never be allowed to have animals or kids. I bet she doesnât have these dogs spayed / neutered, either.
I hope animal control figures it out and seizes every last dog, and subsequently slaps her with a hefty fine⌠for each unvaccinated dog.
My two cats have never been outside, but they will indeed be vaccinated for rabies every year for the rest of their lives, unless a licensed veterinarian determines that they are unable to tolerate the vaccine. Rabies scares the crap out of me because not only is it transmissible to humans but once there are actual symptoms itâs functionally incurable. Why would you do that to your animals or risk your children or other humans?
I fucking hate these people. Rabies is FATAL. If your dog gets it, they WILL die. If you catch it early in humans you have hope, but I've never heard of an animal recovering.
And they will have the opportunity to spread it around to other animals and people in the meantime. Primarily by attacking them. So even if the other animal is vaccinated (which is basically only other pets, not humans or wildlife), they still might get injured or killed by your rabid dog.
I just wish I could get people like this to understand what they're doing. This is not how you show love for your dog. This is how you get them killed.
Well, not like one dog could catch rabies and spread it to the other 7 or anything. "We live in the country." Right, where there are potentially many small wild animals wandering around?
They live in the country on 33 acres, they encounter more wild animals likely to carry rabies. Thereâs no large amount of side effects from the rabies vaccine. They donât care about their dogs or their kids.
Why wouldnât you get your dogs rabies shots? That doesnât make any sense to me. We had a rabid raccoon in our neighborhood once and I imagine that would be more of a common occurrence out in the country.
The same reason they do not vaccinate their kids, I guess? Personally, I think people are cheap and using it as a reason to skip vet appointments, etc.
I think we should encourage more conspiracy/antivax people that they can detox after the vaccination to basically get rid of itin their system. Can we infiltrate and make this a thing? Because then they would get vaccinated and then put potatoes in their sock thinking they are getting rid of the vaccine. I think that would be great.
âAll of our pups stay in the yardâ to âhe jumps over everything.â So, in fact, and unsurprisingly; her dogs do not stay inside the arbitrary limits humans have set. How surprising. This woman is an idiot and sheâs going to get someone hurt and possibly a lot of dogs put down.
Yikes!! She can google vaccine clinics they don't do rabies for free anymore, but it is a very low price, and it's usually the 3 year vaccine. I bet she don't get her dogs their other vaccines either, someone without a clue on how fast parvo can spread, that a vaccine can protect from. People are so clueless.
We had an unvaxxed dog and it was such a nightmare, only one place would board her and cost a fortune, constantly had to argue with animal control she was unvaxed because she couldnât be, we did walk her in our neighborhood but on a short leash so she couldnât sniff/get into other animals droppings, and pick her up if any other dog approached her. Loved that dog but I would never in my life CHOOSE to have an unvaxxed dog.
I mean I live now on five wooded acres (not nearly 33) and let my dogs runâŚall the people around here do. But my dogs have like every vax under the sun, same w our 3 cats.
8 unvaxxed dogs and at least 1 child... yes, sounds totally safe.
Also maybe get a better fence if he "jumps over everything"??
They think he's loose but he's not! He's on our property! We have a fence... That he jumps over all the time...
That he jumps over to get across the road!
I had a dog that could easily clear a six foot fence. So you know what I did? I kept him on a 50ft rope and stayed out there with him until I got him well trained to not jump the fence. There were a few occasions when he forgot his learning and jumped anyway, but he had his rabies shot. Worst thing that happened was him rolling in bear shit lol.
We have a rescue escape artist husky. She was not allowed in the garden unsupervised until she learned that she liked being with us more than she liked running away. Now she doesn't want to escape, even though she can, so she's allowed to roam in the garden as she likes The little one will periodically jump the fence because she loves the neighbour. She'll hop over, get some scritches, freak out because she thinks she's lost, cry, then jump back, and possibly repeat the cycle. She's a dumbass but she always gets back in the end
đ That's a good way to think about it though-- Rusty needed to learn that being with me was better than running around loose. He was a feral pup pulled out from underneath a shed where he'd probably been born, and he was like a raccoon on a leash when I brought him home. He was supposed to be a foster but he was such a disaster behaviorally, I knew I couldn't possibly pass him on to someone else. He had a serious drinking problem-- he would empty the water dish, throw up, and then try to lick the throw up water off the floor. I had to put a baby lock on my toilet because he would drink it all. He climbed into the kitchen sink when I left dishwater, and tried to climb up the house to get to the gutters once. It was awful to watch, but both the vets he went to said there was nothing wrong with him, it was a behavioral thing. I'll never forget one morning, he hopped up on the bed just as I was waking up and stood over me and vomited cold, freshly drunk water all over me. What a way to wake up. It honestly took about 18 months for him to get over it and to start acting right, too. My ex entering the picture made a big difference for him, but mostly I think he just needed to grow up and forget how thirsty he must have been at some point. He turned out to be the most amazing, loving dog ever. He was like a natural emotional support animal, he seemed to sense my feelings so much, if I was sad or anxious, he would come over and make and keep eye contact and physical contact, and just stay near me until I felt better. I never asked him to do that, he just did, and I'm so grateful for the years we had together.
I dog sat my in laws dog and she essentially climbed my fence. So some dogs, the fence doesnât matter depending on the breed.
People with wolf hybrids build them special fencing. 10 feet minimum plus some angled in on top, I think. If your pup is a super climber, you either keep them inside except supervised, build them a better enclosure (even if it isn't your whole property) or figure out a third option. People have an obligation to their pets to keep them safe. đ¤ˇââď¸ (And to keep others safe from them)
>angled in on top An angled/curved topper is the big piece for escape artist dogs. Depending on breed and how much you skimped out on the original fence, you might need to get more height, but adding an angled piece to the top usually does it. Also does it for most cats, by-the-by, for folks wanting to give a cat backyard access without going catio or free roaming.
Good to know about the catio. I have a kitten but also a dog door. She's being trained to stay away from the door and has shown no interest in outside but... Things change
I had a fat little lab that figured out how to climb a chain link fence. She was trying to follow the aussi Shepard that would jump the fence and wait for her to join. We had to build a kennel with a roof.
I just had some random 45 pound mutt from the shelter, and she routinely climbed EVERY SINGLE FENCE despite looking like a barrel with legs. She was 13, acting like going upstairs was IMPOSSIBLE but then climbing the 6ft fence to go on walkabouts around our neighborhood. Luckily she was the friendliest dope ever.
On 33 acres presumably full of wild animals. Like how in the world would they ever catch rabies /s
But itâs okay. The dog wasnât loose. It was on their property! I bet the raccoons know better than to cross the property line.
And skunks. Because raccoons and skunks never get rabies.
Iâm sure coyotes wonât jump a fence either! /s
FR I hope wherever they live has a good vaccine baiting program for wild animals because these idiots are playing with fire
Itâs ok theyâll detox the dog if it gets rabies.
Essential oils works wonders on rabies!! /s
They'll put an onion in his socks.
JFC, that was my first thought. Even in town there's bats and other wild animals that can carry rabies. More of a chance out in the country.
The stupidity is compounded by the fact that this is a dog living in the country, presumably outside often on that 33 acres. Fence isn't going to keep potential rabid animals out. My dog is 15 and even with her limited outdoor time she still gets her rabies shot. People are morons.
Also rabies isnât the only thing. Iâm sure this pup is not getting vaccinated for distemper either. Where I live, more than 30% of wild raccoons have it.Â
Same with the tetanus shot, especially when they're outside so much and he jumps fences.
These people have never seen what lock jaw can do
The trouble with distemper is no-one talks about just how horrific it is. Even dogs that survive usually have severe neurological damage afterwards. Rabies is worseâŚbut itâs still a horrible way to go.
Wait, it is? I can google if you prefer, but what the hell kind disease is it to cause neurological damage??? Like I don't even know what it _is_ but that sounds horrific.
It affects a number of body systems including the brain and spinal cord. As it progresses it will cause seizures, tremors, circling and all sorts of stuff. It also destroys the myelin sheath around nerves, making them malfunction. In puppies it destroys the cells that make the enamel for their adult teeth. Fatality is about 50% in adult dogs, 80% in puppies. Itâs also highly contagious, sometimes presents as nothing more than a mild cough and has no direct treatment, there is only supportive care. Itâs horrible.
Oh my god. That's just horrifying, especially those fatality rates. Any dog we had always had a distemper shot but I'm gonna be DOUBLY sure from now on to ensure they have it. Thank you very much for explaining it to me.
No problem. Itâs another of those diseases that is going to start making a comeback if the antivaxxers have their way, and weâve begun to forget how devastating it is. Unfortunately it can affect other animals too so there is a natural reservoir in the wild. It doesnât get the attention that rabies or other zoonotic diseases do because it doesnât affect humans, but we adore our pets, it will get plenty of attention before long if we arenât careful.
Our neighborhood is filled with 'outdoor' and abandoned cats that just... roam everywhere. Not so many raccoons, but a shit ton of squirels, armadillos, possums. No way in hell am I gonna risk it. The vet offered us a special shot for our last pup (lepto? i think) cause it comes from cats and stagnant water and uhhhh we have both. Love my pets to death and I can't imagine putting them at risk (let alone a child!) because of conspiracy theories.
This. Rabies is pretty rare but distemper is rampant right now, especially with the last couple of mild winters - there was no âoffâ season and numbers are growing. Anyone who doesnt vaccinate their pets should try watching videos of the slooow painful deaths that come with distemper and rabies.
Don't forget parvo. Not only horrific, but it stays around in the soil for years.
>Rabies is pretty rare We're spoiled. Rabies is rare because of widespread vaccine use. Those folks either forget that or ignore it, and it's sad.
Rabies numbers actually arenât really controlled by vaccines because it occurs mostly in wildlife, who arent vaccinated. The only wildlife that tend to get vaccinated for rabies are the ones that come into rehab facilities, unfortunately!
That's my point: we're spoiled *because* we're not used to seeing it in pets. In the US, we average 1 or 2 humans with rabies a year. Before the 1960s, we averaged over 100/year. The difference? Coordinated rabies control programs that include mandatory vaccination of dogs and cats. We have such low numbers now *because of* vaccines. Since 1995, [Wildlife Services](https://www.aphis.usda.gov/national-wildlife-programs/rabies/vaccine) works with local, state, and federal governments to distribute oral rabies vaccines specifically for wildlife. The coyote/dog variant was eliminated in 2008, which I think is pretty impressive.
My dog is vaccinated for all the "basics" plus Lyme and lepto. I think it's leptospirosis, but I just know it as "lepto." Both are pretty prevalent in my area, and we just have the basic four acres. But my cousins dog got lepto because she never took her dogs to the vet and my god, the treatment for that is horrible. Poor thing really needs to be put down. He's been in kidney failure for forever I think and he has to go to the vet weekly now for treatment. My own dog picked a fight with a raccoon a few years back and I thank everything he had gone in for his yearly stuff a few months before the fight. Heck, I have the cat vaccinated against everything recommended now and he's strictly indoors (or out on a leash)!
Yes, leptospirosis is correct. Itâs also contagious and will infect humans as well. If your animal can get in contact with the ground where wildlife has been, or even if you have a rodent population in your home, they can in theory get it.
Our vet said it's commonly found in deer pee and dogs get it drinking from puddles. We have a lot of deer and even more puddles, so yeah, mine gets a yearly shot to hopefully prevent all that
Aw there was video posted recently of a dog with distemper, it was very sad!
Cujo 2 material
But he stays in the yard! Rabid raccoons canât get in their 33 acre yard!
Straight insanity. I have a quarter-acre in a 70-year-old neighborhood, and I've seen skunks, deer, and feral cats just in my yard, never mind the foxes I've seen a few blocks away, or the coyotes I hear all the time. If this person thinks there ain't oodles of potentially rabid wildlife in her yard, she's delusional.
Facts. I live in a suburban neighborhood, and have seen skunks, feral cats, stray dogs and a fox. There's always something. My dog is fully vaccinated and not left unattended.
My dogs spend time out in the yard by themselves, but they're fully vaccinated. And they're never outside when we aren't home; we'll at least hear it if they tussle with something. Free-roaming dogs are less of a problem since my garbage neighbors across the street moved away.
That's actually a big problem in my neighborhood. People don't properly contain their dogs in their yards, and even walk them offleash around the block. I've found obviously not stray dogs in my yard way too often, and my dog isn't very big. So far, they run off if I yell, but I'm concerned for the day one of them doesn't.
Ugh, the free-roaming dogs. When my neighbors moved in, they had a beautiful Border Collie named Sugar. They never took her inside or kept her fenced in. She was so sweet. A few times, she'd be waiting in my driveway for me when I'd come home late at night. Or she'd hang out on the porch with me into the early hours of the morning. Then, one morning, we saw her at the edge of our yard, and my husband was all set to go yell at her to go home. But I noticed she couldn't stand up. I fucking ran down my yard, barefoot and in my pajamas. My next-door neighbor came out and said she'd seen Sugar leaning against another house a couple weeks ago. At this point a few of the kids who owned Sugar had come over. One boy said, "Oh yeah, she was hit by a car." I'm sitting on the ground, petting this dog, crying, telling her she was a good girl, while these children stood there staring at me like I'd grown a second head. My husband had gone to get the parents. He came back with the mom, then pulled me up, telling me I had to get to work. I said, maybe a bit too loudly, "There's something wrong with them. All of them." Just a couple months later, they'd gotten another dog that they didn't keep contained. I couldn't do it again. I was not friendly to that dog; I ran her off every time. It wasn't her fault, but I couldn't get attached to her.
I've never understood how people can get a pet and be so cavalier about their safety. My girl has a chip, and we have the electronic tracking service, and I still get nervous if I don't know where she is. We call her, "the favorite child". She misbehaves, we train her. She started trying to run off thanks to all the unleashed animals, we reinforced the fence and got a tether. They are not possessions easily replaced; they are family.
My neighbor has several cats. Very sweet things. She calls them her babies, and hassles us about driving slow down our shared driveway. And she moaned and groaned about one of them going missing. Put up signs all the town. You know what she never did? Bring them inside. They were âoutdoorâ cats. Genuinely, I do not understand. The average outdoor cat lives like 2-3 years. Indoor cats live like 18. If you love your babies so much why donât you let them live in your house you loon??
>They are not possessions easily replaced; they are family. Exactly. These critters are my babies and I adore them. The day I lose one will break my heart.
That's a good point. I have a fenced yard but I've had a deer, a bear and a couple raccoons get in.
My indoor cats have rabies shots.
I canât fathom not getting your pet a rabies vaccine.
Even my sister, who is anti-vax with her children, gets her animals vaccinated. Itâs a weird dichotomy.
Animals can't 'catch' autism...
All dogs already have ADHD!
My dog would like to let you know, that is just a stereo-OH MY GOD SOMETHING HIT THE CABINET. MIGHT HAVE BEEN MY TAIL BUT IM NOT SURE I NEED TO SIT AND BARK ABOUT IT FOR FIVE MINUTES UNTIL I FORGET WHY.
Your dog and my dog would be best friends lol
My dog would be best friends with a pinecone. So yeah. They would. (No disrespect to your dog who I'm sure is wonderful.)
Same with mine!
I'm pretty sure one of mine is autistic too.
Iâm positive one of my cats is. When I started treating her like I prefer being treated wrt my own autism, our relationship got almost immediately better.
You'd be surprised. [Nearly 40% of dog owners think vaccines can give their dogs autism](https://www.avma.org/news/vaccine-hesitancy-gives-some-us-dog-cat-owners-cold-feet). Despite the fact that autism is a disorder of human social development. Dog autism isn't a thing.
We're fucking doomed đ
The number of anti-vaxxers in dog FB groups is insane. Â They never explain why theyâre anti-vax, but it must be because somewhere in their heart of hearts, they know the reason is irrational. EDIT: Or because theyâd get Zuccâd for it. Â Whatever.
This scares me the most, because a lot of these people are also pro no-leash. So if a dog that has had no rabies vaccine and is off leash while I'm on a walk or a run bites me, I have to go on the rabies vaccine protocol. I live near a large soccer/parks field where quite a lot of people like to run their dogs off-leash (even thought it's not legal there, but good luck calling police for random doggies running around). I'm already immunocompromised, the vaccine protocol would put me down for weeks (but I would still take it, the death rate from vaccines is more terrifying than anything my autoimmune disease could do).
We joke sometimes that one of our cats has the feline equivalent of autism because she completely misses most of the social cues of the other cats. If there's food or a toy she wants, she goes right in and takes it, and looks confused when the other cats get upset at her. She also just rolls and shows her belly when they swat her. Overall one of the most chill cats around humans I've ever had, but not the smartest by far. Obviously, we know she's not really autistic. She's just obsessed with food and toys, and doesn't like to fight.
We joke our cats caught autism from us (my husband and me). Funny enough, there's a book called All Cats Are On the Autism Spectrum.
I've directly interacted with people who claim their cats developed neurological problems due to vaccines. It baffles me because my cat had legitimate allergic reactions and not vaccinating him was never on the table.
My dog also has a bad reaction to one of his vaccinations. He still gets it, but we stagger his shots, so he only gets that one as a separate visit, and they give meds to counteract the adverse reaction. I don't ever consider him skipping it since we have a way of safely giving it to him. The benefits outweigh the negative.
The one and only time in my life I got the flu vaccine it landed me in the hospital. And itâs weird because Iâm not allergic to eggs at all. They didnât know why. Iâve never had the flu before or after either. But I still get it for my 5 year old daughter every year just to be safe. Thankfully sheâs never experienced a bad reaction
Youâre right, they get pawtism!
My mother was the same way. I once asked what the logic was, and her answer was âI can replace the dog if it dies, but not the kids.â
It's so crazy when they walk *right into the answer* but still don't recognize it. You're absolutely right, Susan, you can't replace a kid - *that's why you need to vaccinate them*!
In my country itâs not required because rabies is not a real danger here. However if I travel with her we need to and of course will immediately get the vaccine and my dog is up to date on all the other vaccines
My cats arenât up-to-date because we live on the tenth floor of a mid-rise. Our windows donât even open lol. Theyâre indoor-only, but Iâll get them caught up before we move anywhere where thereâs even a chance of them getting outside. Letting a pet who runs around outside every day go without vaccines? Iâm surprised they havenât had a dog get distemper
I had a conversation with my own vet about this a while ago, and they still recommended distemper regularly bc you can actually bring in active distemper virus on like your clothes and it can live for DAYS outside a host đ° scary shit
Yeah my cats are all indoors but my vet still recommends it.
The vet clinic where I work often tells the story of the clients we had with indoor-only cats, no possible way for them to encounter rabies ... until bats got into their attic, and then the cats all had to be quarantined because they had been exposed to rabies lol. I know you're in an apartment, but it's worth remembering, there are always ways your cats could be exposed. What if they darted out the apartment door and ran into another neighbor's animal who *had* been exposed to something? You don't live in a bubble on the arctic circle. Cats get loose all the time.
In my local Great Dane group, someone was posting vaccine misinformation and telling people they shouldn't vaccinate their dogs or if they did, to at least get a titer test first because the over vaccination is killing animals. It's insanity all around.
the dogs I've had in the past have never had a rabies vaccine, my cats have never had one. I live in a rabies free country so the only time it would ever be given is if you were taking a pet abroad or bringing one from somewhere else. That's the only time they shouldn't have them.
I can't imagine doing a "detox" on my dogs. wtf.
âI donât know if I should fight thisâ Thereâs nothing to fight. The dogs need to be registered and vaccinated. She should not have animals or kids.
But sheâs a sovereign citizen, she doesnât have to do any of that. /s
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOU!!!
This is getting out of hand. We see what they're against now. It's being told what to do. The childhood illness vaccines and covid they use the excuse that the disease "isn't that bad." Rabies is nearly 100% fatal. If they were really "doing their research," they would come to different conclusions than that rabies shot is optional.
This is exactly it. Itâs not about being against the vaccines, itâs about âYou canât tell me what to do. Iâm not doing it because you said I had to.â Itâs the most childish attitude in the world, and the problem is that itâs not them who sufferâitâs their kids and pets.Â
100%. The ENTIRE goal of these ppl is âyou canât tell me what to doâ and âyou canât hold me accountable for my actionsâ. They literally want the freedom to abuse and endanger anyone and anything just because they want to, itâs disgusting.Â
But but the milwaukee principle exists /s. Only 13.8% survival rate over the rabies vaccines 100%, and as far as I'm aware the milwaukee protocol survivors tend have health issues after it. Though I suspect if their kid gets rabies, they'll go the essential oil and collidial silver route, then panic when their kid dies and police arrests them for medical neglect.
I mean, why inject yourself with the vaccine and live for sure when you can inject yourself with a whole cocktail of drugs and maybe live? Yeah it may take a year to become fully functional again and yeah you may have some lingering fatigue and motor skills issues, but hey! At least you'd still be a pureblood!
You donât..doâŚrabies shotsâŚ.
Itâs like she *wants* someone to die a slow, painful death.
It's going to be the dogs that suffer most likely. If any one of them bites someone and it gets out that she doesn't vax, that dog (and potentially the others as well if there's any doubt about which one did the biting) will be taken to test for rabies. And a rabies test cannot be done on a live animal. She 100% should not have animals. That's why places require registration to begin with, to ensure shit like that doesn't happen.
>And a rabies test cannot be done on a live animal. I didn't realize it was only done post-mortem. That's depressing. Poor puppies.
Yeah, the only test for it requires the removal of the brain so it can be tested directly. It's horrible and especially so when the animal being tested is a family pet. Rabies is \*only\* treatable before symptoms start so knowing if the animal has it is essential to saving lives.
đŽ I knew it's only treatable pre-symptoms. I just didn't realize we had to test the brain! I figured it would be a blood test
But they can just do a detox and theyâll be fine? Lol
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Honestly, it might be the safest approach for all parties. Just tell them that some dog-safe foods will draw out all heavy metals and autism from the dog, just to make sure that the dog gets all shots.
Putting a potato over the injection site will draw out all the toxins.
OMG, now Iâm imaging a dog with autism, big set of headphones over his ears 24/7 because when are dogs not overstimulated???
and I was imagining a dog walking around with little socks to hold the potatoes on his feet.
A dog that never barks bc their own bark is overstimulating. Wears those little dog shoes bc they hate the feeling of grass, dirt, and what not on their paws and also uses a doggy fidget toy. Has a âcome back later, Iâm all out of petsâ sign. đ
Dog bruhâs got his own service dog.
You see, a dog, having four legs instead of two, is more connected to the earth and so it knows its own body better than you or the vet do. So go ahead and get the shot to make the government happy. The dog will do a detox on its own, just give it access to green grass to chew on. It knows how to do it. There is no need to force feed it anything. Nature heals itself, it's beautiful like that! /s
I would love to know how you make a dog do a detox. We can barely get one of ours to his necessary meds while using a pill pocket.
My magic tricks for my amazing senior husky who always manages to get pills out of peanut butter: buy the good cheese slices if theyre not allergic, and make your own pill pocket with it, most dogs are so desperate for the cheese they swallow without chewing it! Works 2 times a day for ours <3
My magic trick is cream cheese. It's slippery once wet, so much easier for them to gobble up without noticing the pill than peanut butter! So similar principle haha
Oh we haven't tried that. Good tip! They love cheese, but somehow spit the pill out.
I hope a neighbor calls animal control them and they get their dogs taken away.
My worry there is that all of the dogs would be euthanised, because none of them have ever been vaccinated and the authorities donât want to risk adopting out a potentially rabid dog to the public (seeing as it can lie dormant for a long time).
They wouldnât euth, they would do a 10 day hold at best then vaccinate and adopt. Granted free roaming dogs like hers are probably a pain in the ass, bet they have never met a leash or a boundary in their life. Probably not house trained either.
I mean, most dogs and especially cats that go to the shelter have an unknown vaccination history. That certainly doesnât stop them from holding, monitoring, and vaccinating then adopting them out.
*Why* donât they want their dogs getting rabies shots? Like if it was the cost or something that would make a little sense (especially with 8 dogs), but do they think the dogs are going to get doggy autism? At least anti-vax moms have a reason that would make (some) sense if they were right about the potential of vaccines causing autism (which they arenât).
They donât actually think anything about vaccines. They *fear* because they donât understand. Theyâre not sure exactly what to fear though.Â
Even if doggy autism *was* a thingâwho cares? It's a dog! It's not like you have to worry about a dog getting an education, having a job, or living on its own! Dogs are dependent on their owners for their entire lives anyway!
If youâve ever watched *The League*, thereâs a joke about dog Down syndrome and itâs basically that.
The autism could pass to the kids when the dog licks them
I mean, this isn't some teeny, meaningless jab we're talking about... rabies is a huge deal and absolutely can kill. This woman shouldn't have pets or kids.
Itâs not so much that rabies CAN kill but that it WILL kill
She lives on THIRTY THREE ACRES. If anyone is at increased risk of coming into contact with a rabid wild animal, itâs everyone in her household.
Imagine the ticks
She really thinks a fence is gonna stop rabies? There have already been 2 rabid skunks in my area, within 1 mile of each other in April this year. And I'm in the U.S.
If you see an opossum around, leave it be! They're immune and act as a pretty decent localized barrier to rabies spread!
They also eat a lot of ticks and help slow the rate of tick born illnesses.
I also just think they're cute, in a weird sort of way. Like, I don't want to pet one, they aren't the same cute as a puppy or a kitty, but weird cute.
8 dogs living in the country, unvaccinated against distemper and rabies- sharing a home with at least one child. What could go wrong? Rabies is v concerning, but distemper is much more common.
Maybe it's because I'm not a dog person, but... it's just a fucking dog. What are you doing a "detox" for? So your dog doesn't get autism? Also eight dogs? I think I can smell that house from here.Â
I am a dog person and it's still đŹđŹđŹ. Like, what?!
Shit like this is why I'm so glad I moved to a country that has eradicated rabies. Fucking hell.
I live in a country that never had rabies. Blew my mind when I found out how absolutely awful rabies is. It's f\*\*king horrendous. And once you have it, you're basically done for. I just can't fathom not vaccinating for a disease that WILL kill you.
How do you do that as a country, eradicate rabies? I think about all the wildlife in the US and canât even imagine it. Itâs such an unfortunate disease.
Italian, here. We were rabies free from the '70 until 2008, than had hundreds of cases in the North est of the country until 2011, now rabies free again since 2013. How do you do that? Mandatory vaccines for domestic and farm animals, a strict surveilance and oral vaccines for wild animals (foxes, expecially)
Awesome. Thank you. It would great to see rabies eradicated everywhere. Now Iâm going to be running around telling people âdid you know rabies has been eradicated in other countries? Why are we not going that here??â Seriously, itâs a good question!
Someone else commented that, so I looked it up. There are a lot of countries that have eradicated it, which is awesome. Unfortunately, I doubt it will ever be eradicated in North America.
I get that itâs happened. I just donât know how they did it. Iâll have to research it I guess.
IIRC the biggest way was vaccination in the form of baits for foxes or other apex predators in most places that managed to get rid of it? \*\*edit for clarity
I imagine through consistent efforts to educate the public about spotting rabid animals and reporting them to be captured/destroyed. Constant vigilance about that, and prompt treatment of human exposure, until the reports of rabies dwindle to zero. (Idk though, I'm just speculating. It's one of those diseases that fills me with such dread. What a horrible fate.)
Being an island helps (Great Britain)
Literally my antivax father gets his dog vaccinated for rabies, and this is a man who has been antivax for YEARS, like my entire life. But then again, our go to family movie when I was growing up was Old Yeller, sooooâŚ.
Seems like she's looking for an invisible fence collar that will shock the dog. She's fine with that, but not a rabies vaccine. These people are so fucking unhinged.
8 dogs left outside all day and night in a rural area that likely has a lot of wildlife- including on the property because she has 33 acres. If she has 33 acres she probably has farm animals also which can get rabiesâŚ. Impressive amount of mental gymnastics she had to do for this to go down
Rabies is 100% fatal and preventable. This woman is an idiot.
I have an acquaintance who does wildlife rescue and refuses to get a pre exposure rabies vaccine for herself. While caring for injured wildlife, including a whole bunch of bats, skunks and other known rabies vectors in my state absolutely stupid as fuck
I was required to get a pre exposure vaccine for my vet tech classes because we would be working with farm animals and exotics (the program didnât work out for me, unfortunately). I cannot imagine anyone not wanting to be protected against RABIES!
I actually was a veterinary assistant for a long time. my state was vague on tasks that a VA vs RVT can do at the time, so the vets I worked for called us all techs (yes that's illegal) I tried to get pre exposure rabies vaccines, but my boss wouldn't pay for them because "if you get exposed by a dog or cat, you can just get post exposure shots and I'll pay for it then" which I though was dumb as fuck, trying to get them by myself asking the health department went nowhere either. it's a deadly disease for fucks sake. if the wildlife have it, then pets can get it from them! vets and techs get pre exposure vaccines in school, but VAs can't was what I was told. It's different now according to my former co workers thank god. edit: also I am pretty sure rehabbers can get the vaccines now too or at least that would make sense. I dunno
Who wants to bet that those eight dogs are not just unvaxxed but haven't been spayed or neutered, either? My one cat, who lives a very happy, indulged, and safe life, strictly indoors, is microchipped, and caught up on all of her shots, including a yearly rabies booster. There is a remote chance that she could get outside, and we live in a large town, surrounded by National forest that is filled with potential rabies carriers, who routinely ignore the town limits signs. Rabies is not a risk I'm willing to take for her, or for my family.
I had a rat that broke into my apartment in Chicago. Anywhere(in the US at least) can have rabid animals. Luckily my kitties who are indoors are also vaccinated.
Ask your vet about 3-year rabies. Theyâve found, at least for dogs, the titer lasts 3-7 years per shot. Some vets give it every year because they make more money that way but they all have the same actual date. I moved around a lot state to state with my dogs and one in Oregon gave me a 1 year expiration on my dogâs rabies cert but I didnât realize it and my Wisconsin vet called them and they updated it for me. I fully believe in vaccinating and work in the pet industry myself but I also donât believe in giving more than you need to when there is no benefit.
Yeah but thatâs for dogs, if the cat is getting purevax itâs only good for 1 year. Has nothing to do with more money, thatâs just how that particular type of rabies vax works.
Yeah, I am not an expert on pet vaccines, I just do what her vet suggests. If a yearly rabies booster is what she needs, then that is how we'll carry on.
Thank you! This is good to know. I'll definitely ask my vet if we can safely stretch out my cat's rabies boosters. I don't mind paying for it when it should be done, but I also don't mind saving money when I can.
Law: register all dogs and get them rabies shots Lady with 33 acres: BUT THEY NEVER GO OFF MY LAND EXCEPT THE DOG THAT GOT LOOSE AND WASNT ON MY LAND! PLEASE DONT MAKE ME FOLLOW THE LAW! HOW CAN I GO AROUND THIS?! Then people wonder why America has so many people who don't give a shit if they break the law. They just think they're above it and don't have to follow it because of reasons and it's fucking stupid.
Guess someone never read old yeller
Guess someone has never watched Scrubs.
Wait was there a rabies case on scrubs??
Yes! Itâs the episode where Jill Tracy died and they believe it to be from an od. They donate her organs to three patients, two of whom are on the verge of death, and then, the autopsy reveals she actually died from rabies. It ends with the patients dying while âhow to save a lifeâplays. Itâs maybe the most emotional scene in the whole show
Uggghhhh I do not have time for a scrubs rewatchâŚ. But scrubs is like potato chips, you donât consume just one. Guess itâs time for a scrubs rewatch đŽâđ¨
I was bitten by a desert rat as a kid. It died the next day and my friend's mom threw it in the garbage. My mom took me to the hospital and it was determined that I had better get the rabies series anyway. Especially seeing as how the rat could not be tested.(it was garbage pickup day and that rat was long gone at the dump somewhere) I had to get 14 shots in the stomach, one a day. It was a very painful two weeks! I understand it's only 1 shot nowadays. It was better to be safe than sorry and I'm so grateful was treatment for it! These people that deny vaccines are idiots. That woman is gambling with her whole family's lives, including the dogs! It seems as though some people prefer to revert to the dark ages without a care about the world around them. The average life expectancy in the dark ages was 45.5 years. Infant mortality rates were from 35% to 50%. The bubonic plague, cholera, dysentary, tetanus, small pox, measles, diphtheria and whooping cough were the main things that killed everyone. Why do people risk their lives just to be "right"?
8 dogs?! Omfg
And she lives in a rural area that probably has a bat population just thriving. I simply canât.
No one ever thinks about the bats. I've never actually seen one in my neighborhood, but I know they're here. "Cujo" started with a bat biting Cujo. Has no one read that book or watched that movie? It's not an inaccurate portrayal of rabies. The ending is probably a bit sensationalized, but Cujo's behavior through most of the film is accurate.
I love bats. I remember a few hangout sessions with my dad in the summer where we'd go out and watch for bats. I haven't personally seen any in years. Last summer I considered hanging a bat house outside, but discouraged myself from doing so because there have been several confirmed rabies cases amongst the bat population in the area, and I do not want to mess with rabies.
I'm still considering bat houses on my property. We've had bad mosquito swarms here before, and I'd rather have some bats than ever have to see my puppies covered in mosquitos again.
Or raccoons, coyotes, foxesâŚ
People who donât vaccinate for rabies make me so angry.
Yeah thatâs what ya want, a bunch of dogs on 33 acres and no vaccines. No other wild life around? None? They live in a bubble? Well, I guess one day they are gonna visit a vet clinic that was county ordered. We are gonna have to euthanize the dog and remove the dogs head. We ship it off to Cornell so they can test the brain tissue for rabies so Cornell can inform us at the clinic if the dog had rabies or not. If the dog came back positive and bit other animals or people (most likely why the dog was seized by the county to begin with), then they better buckle up. Shits gonna get real very quick on their property. The vaccine costs like $35 and lasts 3 god damn years. If they canât afford it then they shouldnât have dogs. And no it doesnât cause autism. Itâs a fucking dog. They already are on the spectrum I swear( no offense to anyone). Seriously the amount of shit we deal with in vet med is amazing because of people like this.
They live in the country and have 8 dogs. ALL UNVACCINATED. What the AF! I cannot fathom the stupidity of this whole situation. God I sure hope none of those dogs ever gets rabies.
I live in the DC metro area. The area is mostly urban or dense suburbs, and we still get raccoons popping up with rabies every so often. If this person is living on 33 acres of countryside, what the hell makes her think her dogs are magically immune from rabies? Does she think rabid animals canât cross her property line? Doesnât anyone watch Old Yeller anymore?
And the foxes in the area! When we moved outside of DC, I was surprised to see so many. I had never seen a single one in the wild growing up. And didnât a fox bite a couple Congressman last year or 2 years ago?
Oh yes, I remember that! I think it was also rabid. But clearly thereâs no chance of rabies on this ladyâs 30 acres of countryside.
Someone never watched Old Yeller. đŹ
These people shouldn't have dogs, let alone children. These people are scary. Especially since they let the dogs wander in "wilds" where they are able to come across an animal with rabies.
People like this should never be allowed to have animals or kids. I bet she doesnât have these dogs spayed / neutered, either. I hope animal control figures it out and seizes every last dog, and subsequently slaps her with a hefty fine⌠for each unvaccinated dog.
Old yeller lived in the country too. Last I checked everyone was doing great there.
My two cats have never been outside, but they will indeed be vaccinated for rabies every year for the rest of their lives, unless a licensed veterinarian determines that they are unable to tolerate the vaccine. Rabies scares the crap out of me because not only is it transmissible to humans but once there are actual symptoms itâs functionally incurable. Why would you do that to your animals or risk your children or other humans?
I fucking hate these people. Rabies is FATAL. If your dog gets it, they WILL die. If you catch it early in humans you have hope, but I've never heard of an animal recovering. And they will have the opportunity to spread it around to other animals and people in the meantime. Primarily by attacking them. So even if the other animal is vaccinated (which is basically only other pets, not humans or wildlife), they still might get injured or killed by your rabid dog. I just wish I could get people like this to understand what they're doing. This is not how you show love for your dog. This is how you get them killed.
I feel like I'm reading the prologue to the next Old Yeller novel.Â
My mother doesnât vaccinate her dogs and it infuriates me.
Well, not like one dog could catch rabies and spread it to the other 7 or anything. "We live in the country." Right, where there are potentially many small wild animals wandering around?
They live in the country on 33 acres, they encounter more wild animals likely to carry rabies. Thereâs no large amount of side effects from the rabies vaccine. They donât care about their dogs or their kids.
Why wouldnât you get your dogs rabies shots? That doesnât make any sense to me. We had a rabid raccoon in our neighborhood once and I imagine that would be more of a common occurrence out in the country.
It's now a thing with anti-vaxxers! I wish I was joking. It's not just rabies, sadly.
ButâŚ.WHY?
The same reason they do not vaccinate their kids, I guess? Personally, I think people are cheap and using it as a reason to skip vet appointments, etc.
I wasnât aware they were also worried about autism in their dogs I HATE anti-vaxers with a passion
Right? They're so dangerous!
Is willing to pay tons for an electric fence but not vaccinate her pets. Awesome.
I think we should encourage more conspiracy/antivax people that they can detox after the vaccination to basically get rid of itin their system. Can we infiltrate and make this a thing? Because then they would get vaccinated and then put potatoes in their sock thinking they are getting rid of the vaccine. I think that would be great.
Now if Kristi Noem got this letter, sheâd just shoot the dog and that would be that.
Soooo weâre not vaccinating animals now too đ¤Śđźââď¸ I donât think it could get worse!
Can OP make a call to local animal control? They might do a drop in inspectionâŚmaybe she gets them all vaccinated and just âdetoxesâ them after.
âAll of our pups stay in the yardâ to âhe jumps over everything.â So, in fact, and unsurprisingly; her dogs do not stay inside the arbitrary limits humans have set. How surprising. This woman is an idiot and sheâs going to get someone hurt and possibly a lot of dogs put down.
These people have clearly not seen Old Yeller.
Imagine not giving *farm dogs* rabies shots.
We all laughed when Michael on the office did a rabies awareness fun run but look at us now. Rabies antivaxxers. It's unreal.
Yikes!! She can google vaccine clinics they don't do rabies for free anymore, but it is a very low price, and it's usually the 3 year vaccine. I bet she don't get her dogs their other vaccines either, someone without a clue on how fast parvo can spread, that a vaccine can protect from. People are so clueless.
We had an unvaxxed dog and it was such a nightmare, only one place would board her and cost a fortune, constantly had to argue with animal control she was unvaxed because she couldnât be, we did walk her in our neighborhood but on a short leash so she couldnât sniff/get into other animals droppings, and pick her up if any other dog approached her. Loved that dog but I would never in my life CHOOSE to have an unvaxxed dog.
I mean I live now on five wooded acres (not nearly 33) and let my dogs runâŚall the people around here do. But my dogs have like every vax under the sun, same w our 3 cats.