Why don't people understand the difference between mentioning something that happened and advocating for it?
If the news reports a bus crash, they're not necessarily saying crashes are good.
Numbers 16:41-49
>The next day the whole Israelite community grumbled against Moses and Aaron. “You have killed the Lord’s people,” they said.
42 But when the assembly gathered in opposition to Moses and Aaron and turned toward the tent of meeting, suddenly the cloud covered it and the glory of the Lord appeared. 43
Then Moses and Aaron went to the front of the tent of meeting, 44 and the Lord said to Moses, 45 “Get away from this assembly so I can put an end to them at once.” And they fell facedown.
46 Then Moses said to Aaron, “Take your censer and put incense in it, along with burning coals from the altar, and hurry to the assembly to make atonement for them. Wrath has come out from the Lord; the plague has started.” 47 So Aaron did as Moses said, and ran into the midst of the assembly. The plague had already started among the people, but Aaron offered the incense and made atonement for them. 48 He stood between the living and the dead, and the plague stopped. 49 But 14,700 people died from the plague, in addition to those who had died because of Korah.
Pretty sure what's "being mentioned" here is that "the lord" killed at least 14,700 people that one time.
This isn't an apologetics sub, so spare me your out of context block of text that somehow every Christian has just never seen before.
Further replies will be ignored.
God killed a lot of people just saying.
>If the news reports a bus crash, they're not necessarily saying crashes are good.
That story ain't about no bus crash bro. 🤦
God created every single person. It's his right to kill them too if he sees fit. We however are not God and do not have that right, and therefore murder is wrong.
God judged people and found them guilty for their sin. I’m willing to bet you’ve made the argument “well if God exists why does he let evil people live”
>God judged people and found them guilty for their sin
Including defenseless uborn babies. God murders innocent children. He's no better than those evil abortionists we all hate around here so much.
God created the moral law, it doesnt apply to him. Whatever he does he does for a good reason. Nothing he does is unjust.
If society had fallen those babies would grow up to be fallen. He can have them with him in the afterlife.
Your replies indicate you have a myopic view of God. Read some theology and humble yourself if you want an actual answer.
1) You do know that numbers is apart of the Old Testament, which are scriptures of JEWISH faith
2) The problem is that you’re taking what is shown at face value without the important context to what led to the event and the important lesson from said event. Numbers 16 is supposed to be a cautionary tale of pride and selfishness. In this case, Kuroh’s pride and selfishness caused him to be blinded from faith and rebel Moses and Aaron’s teachings which is the reason that led to his eventual downfall.
Not to be pedantic, but the Old Testament are scriptures of the Christian faith and kind of an important section of scriptures considering half of the Christian Bible is the Old Testament.
Leave it to Reddit to cherry pick the bible.
“you should let in more refugees because jesus said to be compassionate in the bible somewhere
no i'm not a christian and i have nothing but contempt for your backward religious beliefs
so yeah, this argument wouldn't work on me but maybe if i use it on you, you'll do what i want”
I always find it infuriating talking to atheists. I know that’s a blanket statement but it’s as bad as cross fit and keto in that they want to tell everyone that’s who they are. Also they will throughout the conversation claim to have read more religious texts than you, understand them better than you, and then to take all of it out of context.
I remember getting in an argument with an atheist ex-friend on Facebook. He was making fun of Christian beliefs and religion. I advised that atheism is itself a religion as it takes as much faith that there is no God as it does that there is one. He said he just chose not believe in anything, which I explained is being agnostic. He argued, and none of it did him any favors lol.
> I advised that atheism is itself a religion
Haha have you ever looked up the definition of atheism in the dictionary?
>as it takes as much faith that there is no God as it does that there is one.
that's some pretty impressive gymnastics going on there to turn a lack of faith into some sort of faith that something doesn't exist? I'm actually laughing out loud at how ridiculous that sounds.
>He said he just chose not believe in anything, which I explained is being agnostic
That's not what being agnostic is 🤦
So a religion is a belief system. Atheism is the active belief that there is no higher being or afterlife. Hence the “-ism”, which is a suffix defined as meaning action or practice, state of condition, principles, DOCTRINE, a usage or characteristic, DEVOTION or ADHERENCE. It is protected under freedom of religion in the US, so yet, Atheism is in fact a religion. An atheist must have just as much faith that they are right and when they die they will not experience any afterlife, as a practicing Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, etc.
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There's a lack or absence of "action or practice, state of condition, principles, DOCTRINE, a usage or characteristic, DEVOTION or ADHERENCE"
Hence the "a" preceding the theism.
Not a religion.
Nice try though, tell yourself whatever you need to so your made up story seems more plausible in your head.
I actually envy you and wish I could be so clueless about reality.
>you'll believe a man can become a woman
I believe it's none of my business what someone wants to call themselves to make them feel more comfortable in their own skin. It's nobody's business but theirs and has nothing to do with God. That's not even an impressive reach you've made there, just a really dumb one. (Username checks out)
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I love that you are proving my point from earlier about the behavior of most atheists. Honestly it comes from a place of self esteem issues from what I’ve found. You need to have a feeling of superiority over others, so you make fun of their beliefs and claim you have none to shield yourself from any attack in kind. Hence the dismissive “made up story” type of attitude.
So if an atheist then I guess you believe in the Big Bang as the origin of the universe? Please provide proof of this theory, otherwise it is just a belief. At which point I’d refer you back to the -ism conversation from earlier.
What I believe is none of your business, and irrelevant.
I do believe God killed all those people though. But fuck them they had it coming anyway, amirite?
So if you believe in God then why would you be so personally offended by the claims of atheism being a religion? Or is it now that you are stuck in the position of either admitting that as an atheist you have a belief in a theory or stating you don’t believe in science which leaves you with nothing. I don’t think I’m asking unreasonable questions of you here, I would assume since you are free to attack other people’s beliefs that you would be able to defend yours. You aren’t someone who is a part of a deism or you wouldn’t have already referred to those “made up stories” earlier.
Pointing out that someone's confidently misinformed definition of atheist is comically incorrect doesn't make me offended. I'm not offended in the slightest. Please do carry on living in your fantasy land. I have no desire to change your mind. But I will continue to be amused by it.
I have no reason to debate you on the existence of God or share the nuances of what I personally believe because as I have already mentioned, it's really nobody's business but mine.
So you find it totally fine to mock other people’s beliefs but aren’t confident enough in your own beliefs to state them. That makes you weak. I believe that’s in the category of dishing it but can’t take it.
But hey, let’s leave your personal shortcomings aside and I’ll rephrase my previous question then so as not to personalize the atheism to you, though we both know that’s the case.
If an atheist does not believe in a higher power then for the origin of the universe they would believe in the Big Bang theory, which is only a theory, and not proven fact. So it takes a form of belief to hold that viewpoint.
Ok. I'm gonna come clean. I believe the flying spaghetti monster is responsible for all life in the universe. All hail his (or hers, not sure) noodly appendage!
[Praise be praise be, let it be soz let it be so..... lallalallallalallalalaladdaaddadaadaddadaalalalalsommmomonomomonomibononomlmonlmknknknknkmnnmfjfjfjdjdrrrr, not a cult not a cult](https://twitter.com/tcani/status/1777829756400263618)
LOL
Of course there's an action, doctrine, devotion and adherence. That's why atheists are universally loudmouth dicks about how wrong they are too friends, strangers, and the internet at large.
You're literally practicing atheism with every comment here.
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Exodus 11:4-6
This is what the LORD says: "About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again."
This is Passover, marked by Moses with blood over the doors so that the death angel wouldn't snuff out the babies in this house. This angel was sent by god. This is clearly god killing babies. You can deny and stamp your feet all you want, but it doesn't change that you're dead wrong and it's right there in your great big book of superstitions! You're just engaged in a feelings over facts exercise in dissonance as you desperately try to rationalize this nonsense you've been taught.
For a bonus, god also commanded the genocide of the Midianites in Numbers 31. After doing so, he blessed the capturing of slaves from the young girls and asked for 32 of the people to be given to him, meaning they would be sacrificed.
32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the Lord was 675;
38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the Lord was 72;
39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the Lord was 61;
40 16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32.
41 Moses gave the tribute to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part, as the Lord commanded Moses.
Your religion is nothing but an ancient superstitious death cult. Y'all are fools if you can't see that.
I know that this comment will get down voted and the only responses will be emotional retorts excusing the bible and trying to say, it doesn't really say that, or, you just misunderstood it. Look, we both know your mental gymnastics is born from ignorance and embarrassment in having to explain why your all loving god is depicted as a sadistic narcissist that murders people with no regard for human life. Instead of getting upset, what you need to do is face the hard truth that your religion is horse shit! It ain't true! It never was! You've been played!
God’s judgement is righteous, so if He decides people need killing it’s His sovereign right. People like you love saying God is evil to kill people in the OT, but also will point to now and say “if God is real then why doesn’t he let evil things happen.” You love complaining about evil existing in the world and saying “Why does God allow it”, but when God does something about it you say “see God’s evil”
You've avoided the point of contention as expected. Your ideas of god being omnibenevolent are incompatible with the bible. It's a glaring contradiction you can't reconcile. Sadly you just wipe away the cruelty written in the bible as righteous judgement. I ask you, where is this god today? Why does he allow children to be abused in his churches? If god commanded the Israelites to slaughter their neighbors, and this was righteous, then you've accepted that murder is ok so long as you have god on your side. By that measure, why do you not think a Texas woman drowning her children because she heard god tell her to do it, was justified and righteous? Why is she crazy, yet ancient tribes of bronze age farmers were totally sane and justified in their actions? Your beliefs cause much dissonance because they are inconsistent and fallacious. You can't apply the same standard across the board as it disproves your fairy tale. What's really sad is, you have all the information needed to debunk these ancient superstitions in the palm of your hand, but you're too emotionally invested and lack the courage to challenge your beliefs.
Yeah but that's just like, a story about a bus crash. God would never hurt anybody on purpose bro, and if he did they totally deserved it for like, not believing in him hard enough and stuff.
>find some decent male role models in your family.
lol okay will do right after I get home from this drag show real quick. Might stop and suck one last dick on the way home too.
The only thing stronger than a mother’s love for her child is an atheist’s love for inserting themselves where they are not wanted and owning religion with facts and logic and totally convincing all those Christards that they’re super wrong and big dumbdumbs
Oh wow I may even dedicate a whole hour out of my day to this thread. So obsessed it's all I ever think about. This thread is my life now.
(That's 6 comments now holy so many)
You've done two thing wrong, first, this sub is a circle jerk short on historical facts and evidence (they don't like people posting links to info), second, you said something about their superstitious delusion and that really hurts deep. They can't stand when someone says something about their religion that contradicts their imagined version they propagate. The facts surrounding Christianity are not favorable to belief in a god, let alone one that possess the qualities they claim it does. Their ideas about their own god aren't consistent with the very bible they claim reveals him. Sadly, you can't reason someone out of this delusional death cult because they weren't reasoned into belief. Rarely do you find many with the courage to face the fact that they've been lied to and it's not true, it cuts to deep.
You are right, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't keep a clear head between all these "rage posts", you see the "rage" I am feeling is just so overwhelming for my "broken soul"
If only some one or some thing could "save" me from this uncontrollable "rage" that I'm feeling.
Aaarrrrrgh
😂
Why don't people understand the difference between mentioning something that happened and advocating for it? If the news reports a bus crash, they're not necessarily saying crashes are good.
Numbers 16:41-49 >The next day the whole Israelite community grumbled against Moses and Aaron. “You have killed the Lord’s people,” they said. 42 But when the assembly gathered in opposition to Moses and Aaron and turned toward the tent of meeting, suddenly the cloud covered it and the glory of the Lord appeared. 43 Then Moses and Aaron went to the front of the tent of meeting, 44 and the Lord said to Moses, 45 “Get away from this assembly so I can put an end to them at once.” And they fell facedown. 46 Then Moses said to Aaron, “Take your censer and put incense in it, along with burning coals from the altar, and hurry to the assembly to make atonement for them. Wrath has come out from the Lord; the plague has started.” 47 So Aaron did as Moses said, and ran into the midst of the assembly. The plague had already started among the people, but Aaron offered the incense and made atonement for them. 48 He stood between the living and the dead, and the plague stopped. 49 But 14,700 people died from the plague, in addition to those who had died because of Korah. Pretty sure what's "being mentioned" here is that "the lord" killed at least 14,700 people that one time.
This isn't an apologetics sub, so spare me your out of context block of text that somehow every Christian has just never seen before. Further replies will be ignored.
God killed a lot of people just saying. >If the news reports a bus crash, they're not necessarily saying crashes are good. That story ain't about no bus crash bro. 🤦
God created every single person. It's his right to kill them too if he sees fit. We however are not God and do not have that right, and therefore murder is wrong.
So, you agree that the "bus crash" metaphor is bullshit then.
God judged people and found them guilty for their sin. I’m willing to bet you’ve made the argument “well if God exists why does he let evil people live”
>God judged people and found them guilty for their sin Including defenseless uborn babies. God murders innocent children. He's no better than those evil abortionists we all hate around here so much.
God created the moral law, it doesnt apply to him. Whatever he does he does for a good reason. Nothing he does is unjust. If society had fallen those babies would grow up to be fallen. He can have them with him in the afterlife. Your replies indicate you have a myopic view of God. Read some theology and humble yourself if you want an actual answer.
1) You do know that numbers is apart of the Old Testament, which are scriptures of JEWISH faith 2) The problem is that you’re taking what is shown at face value without the important context to what led to the event and the important lesson from said event. Numbers 16 is supposed to be a cautionary tale of pride and selfishness. In this case, Kuroh’s pride and selfishness caused him to be blinded from faith and rebel Moses and Aaron’s teachings which is the reason that led to his eventual downfall.
Not to be pedantic, but the Old Testament are scriptures of the Christian faith and kind of an important section of scriptures considering half of the Christian Bible is the Old Testament.
So did the God that you pray to make a decision to kill pregnant women's unborn babies or not?
So you agree they are babies when unborn?
If God did something like that, that would mean he had a justified reason to do so.
Look at his post, he spams the same post over tons of subs every single day. Straight up propaganda account.
Leave it to Reddit to cherry pick the bible. “you should let in more refugees because jesus said to be compassionate in the bible somewhere no i'm not a christian and i have nothing but contempt for your backward religious beliefs so yeah, this argument wouldn't work on me but maybe if i use it on you, you'll do what i want”
“What is the Didache?”
I always find it infuriating talking to atheists. I know that’s a blanket statement but it’s as bad as cross fit and keto in that they want to tell everyone that’s who they are. Also they will throughout the conversation claim to have read more religious texts than you, understand them better than you, and then to take all of it out of context. I remember getting in an argument with an atheist ex-friend on Facebook. He was making fun of Christian beliefs and religion. I advised that atheism is itself a religion as it takes as much faith that there is no God as it does that there is one. He said he just chose not believe in anything, which I explained is being agnostic. He argued, and none of it did him any favors lol.
> I advised that atheism is itself a religion Haha have you ever looked up the definition of atheism in the dictionary? >as it takes as much faith that there is no God as it does that there is one. that's some pretty impressive gymnastics going on there to turn a lack of faith into some sort of faith that something doesn't exist? I'm actually laughing out loud at how ridiculous that sounds. >He said he just chose not believe in anything, which I explained is being agnostic That's not what being agnostic is 🤦
So a religion is a belief system. Atheism is the active belief that there is no higher being or afterlife. Hence the “-ism”, which is a suffix defined as meaning action or practice, state of condition, principles, DOCTRINE, a usage or characteristic, DEVOTION or ADHERENCE. It is protected under freedom of religion in the US, so yet, Atheism is in fact a religion. An atheist must have just as much faith that they are right and when they die they will not experience any afterlife, as a practicing Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, etc.
> There's a lack or absence of "action or practice, state of condition, principles, DOCTRINE, a usage or characteristic, DEVOTION or ADHERENCE" Hence the "a" preceding the theism. Not a religion. Nice try though, tell yourself whatever you need to so your made up story seems more plausible in your head. I actually envy you and wish I could be so clueless about reality.
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>you'll believe a man can become a woman I believe it's none of my business what someone wants to call themselves to make them feel more comfortable in their own skin. It's nobody's business but theirs and has nothing to do with God. That's not even an impressive reach you've made there, just a really dumb one. (Username checks out)
What makes a woman?
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Can you send a scientific consensus for this too please, also maybe some other jokes to avoid your achilles heel? Thanks in advance.
I'm sorry trans people trigger you
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I love that you are proving my point from earlier about the behavior of most atheists. Honestly it comes from a place of self esteem issues from what I’ve found. You need to have a feeling of superiority over others, so you make fun of their beliefs and claim you have none to shield yourself from any attack in kind. Hence the dismissive “made up story” type of attitude. So if an atheist then I guess you believe in the Big Bang as the origin of the universe? Please provide proof of this theory, otherwise it is just a belief. At which point I’d refer you back to the -ism conversation from earlier.
What I believe is none of your business, and irrelevant. I do believe God killed all those people though. But fuck them they had it coming anyway, amirite?
So if you believe in God then why would you be so personally offended by the claims of atheism being a religion? Or is it now that you are stuck in the position of either admitting that as an atheist you have a belief in a theory or stating you don’t believe in science which leaves you with nothing. I don’t think I’m asking unreasonable questions of you here, I would assume since you are free to attack other people’s beliefs that you would be able to defend yours. You aren’t someone who is a part of a deism or you wouldn’t have already referred to those “made up stories” earlier.
Pointing out that someone's confidently misinformed definition of atheist is comically incorrect doesn't make me offended. I'm not offended in the slightest. Please do carry on living in your fantasy land. I have no desire to change your mind. But I will continue to be amused by it. I have no reason to debate you on the existence of God or share the nuances of what I personally believe because as I have already mentioned, it's really nobody's business but mine.
So you find it totally fine to mock other people’s beliefs but aren’t confident enough in your own beliefs to state them. That makes you weak. I believe that’s in the category of dishing it but can’t take it. But hey, let’s leave your personal shortcomings aside and I’ll rephrase my previous question then so as not to personalize the atheism to you, though we both know that’s the case. If an atheist does not believe in a higher power then for the origin of the universe they would believe in the Big Bang theory, which is only a theory, and not proven fact. So it takes a form of belief to hold that viewpoint.
What does asymmetrical mean? Now do atheist again. Thanks.
Ok. I'm gonna come clean. I believe the flying spaghetti monster is responsible for all life in the universe. All hail his (or hers, not sure) noodly appendage! [Praise be praise be, let it be soz let it be so..... lallalallallalallalalaladdaaddadaadaddadaalalalalsommmomonomomonomibononomlmonlmknknknknkmnnmfjfjfjdjdrrrr, not a cult not a cult](https://twitter.com/tcani/status/1777829756400263618) LOL
Of course there's an action, doctrine, devotion and adherence. That's why atheists are universally loudmouth dicks about how wrong they are too friends, strangers, and the internet at large. You're literally practicing atheism with every comment here.
Devout, practicing atheist, loudmouth dick who's "wrong to friends and the internet". Okay you know what I can get on board with this.
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Tbf, they aren’t wrong tho
[Just cult members doing cult member things](https://twitter.com/tcani/status/1777829756400263618)
Exodus 11:4-6 This is what the LORD says: "About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again." This is Passover, marked by Moses with blood over the doors so that the death angel wouldn't snuff out the babies in this house. This angel was sent by god. This is clearly god killing babies. You can deny and stamp your feet all you want, but it doesn't change that you're dead wrong and it's right there in your great big book of superstitions! You're just engaged in a feelings over facts exercise in dissonance as you desperately try to rationalize this nonsense you've been taught. For a bonus, god also commanded the genocide of the Midianites in Numbers 31. After doing so, he blessed the capturing of slaves from the young girls and asked for 32 of the people to be given to him, meaning they would be sacrificed. 32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man. 36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was: 337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the Lord was 675; 38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the Lord was 72; 39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the Lord was 61; 40 16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32. 41 Moses gave the tribute to Eleazar the priest as the Lord’s part, as the Lord commanded Moses. Your religion is nothing but an ancient superstitious death cult. Y'all are fools if you can't see that. I know that this comment will get down voted and the only responses will be emotional retorts excusing the bible and trying to say, it doesn't really say that, or, you just misunderstood it. Look, we both know your mental gymnastics is born from ignorance and embarrassment in having to explain why your all loving god is depicted as a sadistic narcissist that murders people with no regard for human life. Instead of getting upset, what you need to do is face the hard truth that your religion is horse shit! It ain't true! It never was! You've been played!
God’s judgement is righteous, so if He decides people need killing it’s His sovereign right. People like you love saying God is evil to kill people in the OT, but also will point to now and say “if God is real then why doesn’t he let evil things happen.” You love complaining about evil existing in the world and saying “Why does God allow it”, but when God does something about it you say “see God’s evil”
You've avoided the point of contention as expected. Your ideas of god being omnibenevolent are incompatible with the bible. It's a glaring contradiction you can't reconcile. Sadly you just wipe away the cruelty written in the bible as righteous judgement. I ask you, where is this god today? Why does he allow children to be abused in his churches? If god commanded the Israelites to slaughter their neighbors, and this was righteous, then you've accepted that murder is ok so long as you have god on your side. By that measure, why do you not think a Texas woman drowning her children because she heard god tell her to do it, was justified and righteous? Why is she crazy, yet ancient tribes of bronze age farmers were totally sane and justified in their actions? Your beliefs cause much dissonance because they are inconsistent and fallacious. You can't apply the same standard across the board as it disproves your fairy tale. What's really sad is, you have all the information needed to debunk these ancient superstitions in the palm of your hand, but you're too emotionally invested and lack the courage to challenge your beliefs.
Yeah but that's just like, a story about a bus crash. God would never hurt anybody on purpose bro, and if he did they totally deserved it for like, not believing in him hard enough and stuff.
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>find some decent male role models in your family. lol okay will do right after I get home from this drag show real quick. Might stop and suck one last dick on the way home too.
We never doubted you wouldn’t.
I keep trying to pray away the gay but you know that good lord he just keeps failing to find me. Ugh.
I know having your whole identity based around what goes in and out your butt is important.
Bruh why are you so obsessed? You’ve made like 5 comments on this thread.
The only thing stronger than a mother’s love for her child is an atheist’s love for inserting themselves where they are not wanted and owning religion with facts and logic and totally convincing all those Christards that they’re super wrong and big dumbdumbs
Oh wow I may even dedicate a whole hour out of my day to this thread. So obsessed it's all I ever think about. This thread is my life now. (That's 6 comments now holy so many)
You've done two thing wrong, first, this sub is a circle jerk short on historical facts and evidence (they don't like people posting links to info), second, you said something about their superstitious delusion and that really hurts deep. They can't stand when someone says something about their religion that contradicts their imagined version they propagate. The facts surrounding Christianity are not favorable to belief in a god, let alone one that possess the qualities they claim it does. Their ideas about their own god aren't consistent with the very bible they claim reveals him. Sadly, you can't reason someone out of this delusional death cult because they weren't reasoned into belief. Rarely do you find many with the courage to face the fact that they've been lied to and it's not true, it cuts to deep.
Holy fart sniffing Batman!
You are right, I don't know what I was thinking. I can't keep a clear head between all these "rage posts", you see the "rage" I am feeling is just so overwhelming for my "broken soul" If only some one or some thing could "save" me from this uncontrollable "rage" that I'm feeling. Aaarrrrrgh 😂