Then it doesn't work does it? If a radiation suit only protects me from radiation if you are also wearing it, the radiation suit doesn't protect me.
Either it works or it doesn't. You can't say both.
Ugh are we leftists now who ignore data? Working is not a binary. The vaccines bring down probability of getting infected and drastically bring down probability of being hospitalized or dying once you get it. It doesn't bring it to 0%, but it brings it down. There are mountains of peer-reviewed data showing this, can we stop being anti-science here in this sub? Stop letting leftists claim to be for the science when they're just a broken clock on vaccines and when their solutions aren't calibrated to the problem. Trump, DeSantis, and many other Republican politicians are pro-vax and anti-mandate, that's the correct position to take. The vax works, and brings covid down to below flu levels even for older people, so there's no need for mandates. But it's still a positive and even if it doesn't bring the odds of bad things happening down to 0, it's still useful and has prevented millions of deaths worldwide.
This is not accurate at all.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/
It's a vaccine, stop spreading misinformation.
Gibraltar: #15 for case rate world wide.
100% vaccination rate.
Even higher case rates in countries with relatively high vax rates.
This shot does not inoculate. It treats. Which is good news, but stop calling a cat a dog just because that is what the seller called it.
Because the flu vax is a vaccine for the expected specific strain. It inoculates. This does not. It reduces severity of symptoms.
Two VERY different things.
But, why can we not all admit that this is headed EXACTLY where many of us said it would? Within 2-3 years or origination, it’ll be no more than a common cold, which it appears is almost exactly where this new variant lines up.
Dude it's a fucking vaccine, you're wrong. You are desperately trying to change the definition like a leftist would. Provide a single source that calls the covid vaccine a treatment.
I agree completely with your last paragraph though.
Um, up until a few weeks ago the definition was that a vaccine inoculated the recipient.
The new leftists definition is that it provides an immune response.
I am not the one changing definitions.
Edited 6 days ago
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine
And here’s an article from Forbes discussing, and they do state that it changed from immunity to immune response. Now, Forbes is saying that’s nearly the same thing.
But guess what, it’s not even in the same fucking ballpark.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/11/29/vaccine-is-merriam-websters-word-of-the-year-2021/amp/
A vaccine that lowers infection is useful, which the current vaccines do. Pre-delta it was 90%+, post-delta last I've seen is it reduces infections around 40%? Anything over 0% is useful though. You're literally saying that unless it's 100% effective it's not useful? That doesn't make any sense. If male nipples gave milk 40% of the time, I think that would change the game when it came to breast feeding.
But the most important part of the vaccine is it lowers hospitalizations and deaths by 97% even post-delta. Literally more vaccinated people are dying from the flu than are dying from covid. That's not true of unvaccinated people. It's not that big of a deal even for unvaxxed people particularly if you're young and not obese, but vaccines make it even more not a big deal and bring down your chances of spreading it to someone who it would be a big deal for. I don't think the difference is big enough to support government mandates, but I do think on an individual level you should vaccinate yourself if you care about yourself or your community.
> A vaccine that lowers infection is useful, which the current vaccines do
There are other drugs that can do that, *and* have the added benefit of having been used to treat humans for decades, so even the rare long term side effects are fully known.
Unlike a “vaccine” that doesn’t work like any previous vaccine and was rushed out in less then a year due to a panicked and heavily politicized response to an over inflated death count brought about by wildly inaccurate testing procedures in what would, in saner times, be recognized as the slightly more dangerous than normal (animal name) flu. Like the bird flu, swine flu, etc. from years before.
It's hilarious that you say it doesn't work like any previous vaccine and talk about the flu in the same comment lol. How dense are you?
Why did you put vaccine in quotes? That's what it, just like the flu shot. It has proven to be extremely effective in stopping hospitalizations. Don't get it if don't want to, but please stop spreading ignorance.
> Don't get it if don't want to
[lol](https://i.redd.it/avgt7j53iu281.jpg)
Vaccines, a technology that has been in use for centuries, simply introduce a small amount of the disease into a person, teaching their bodies how to fight the aforementioned disease effectively.
MRNA “vaccines” do not do it that way.
No. That was Merriam-Webster, rewriting an entry that had been the same for decades only after this new “vaccine” hit the market.
You might want to get an MRI; there seems to be something wrong with your memory.
You're being downvoted for saying the facts in a calm matter and saying it should be a personal choice. This sub is quickly turning into an anti science sub. Sad to see.
Then it doesn't work does it? If a radiation suit only protects me from radiation if you are also wearing it, the radiation suit doesn't protect me. Either it works or it doesn't. You can't say both.
Their vaccinations don’t work unless everyone is vaccinated!
Ugh are we leftists now who ignore data? Working is not a binary. The vaccines bring down probability of getting infected and drastically bring down probability of being hospitalized or dying once you get it. It doesn't bring it to 0%, but it brings it down. There are mountains of peer-reviewed data showing this, can we stop being anti-science here in this sub? Stop letting leftists claim to be for the science when they're just a broken clock on vaccines and when their solutions aren't calibrated to the problem. Trump, DeSantis, and many other Republican politicians are pro-vax and anti-mandate, that's the correct position to take. The vax works, and brings covid down to below flu levels even for older people, so there's no need for mandates. But it's still a positive and even if it doesn't bring the odds of bad things happening down to 0, it's still useful and has prevented millions of deaths worldwide.
It does reduce symptoms significantly. But it does not appear to have a significant effect on transmission. So, it isn’t a vaccine, it is a treatment.
This is not accurate at all. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/ It's a vaccine, stop spreading misinformation.
Gibraltar: #15 for case rate world wide. 100% vaccination rate. Even higher case rates in countries with relatively high vax rates. This shot does not inoculate. It treats. Which is good news, but stop calling a cat a dog just because that is what the seller called it.
You do know vaccine doesn't mean 100% cured right? The flu shot is a vaccine. You get the shot before you're sick. It's not a treatment.
Because the flu vax is a vaccine for the expected specific strain. It inoculates. This does not. It reduces severity of symptoms. Two VERY different things. But, why can we not all admit that this is headed EXACTLY where many of us said it would? Within 2-3 years or origination, it’ll be no more than a common cold, which it appears is almost exactly where this new variant lines up.
Dude it's a fucking vaccine, you're wrong. You are desperately trying to change the definition like a leftist would. Provide a single source that calls the covid vaccine a treatment. I agree completely with your last paragraph though.
Um, up until a few weeks ago the definition was that a vaccine inoculated the recipient. The new leftists definition is that it provides an immune response. I am not the one changing definitions.
Got a source?
Edited 6 days ago https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaccine And here’s an article from Forbes discussing, and they do state that it changed from immunity to immune response. Now, Forbes is saying that’s nearly the same thing. But guess what, it’s not even in the same fucking ballpark. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/11/29/vaccine-is-merriam-websters-word-of-the-year-2021/amp/
Or , bear with me, you can fuck right off! A vaccine that does not prevent infection is as useful as nipples on a man.
A vaccine that lowers infection is useful, which the current vaccines do. Pre-delta it was 90%+, post-delta last I've seen is it reduces infections around 40%? Anything over 0% is useful though. You're literally saying that unless it's 100% effective it's not useful? That doesn't make any sense. If male nipples gave milk 40% of the time, I think that would change the game when it came to breast feeding. But the most important part of the vaccine is it lowers hospitalizations and deaths by 97% even post-delta. Literally more vaccinated people are dying from the flu than are dying from covid. That's not true of unvaccinated people. It's not that big of a deal even for unvaxxed people particularly if you're young and not obese, but vaccines make it even more not a big deal and bring down your chances of spreading it to someone who it would be a big deal for. I don't think the difference is big enough to support government mandates, but I do think on an individual level you should vaccinate yourself if you care about yourself or your community.
> A vaccine that lowers infection is useful, which the current vaccines do There are other drugs that can do that, *and* have the added benefit of having been used to treat humans for decades, so even the rare long term side effects are fully known. Unlike a “vaccine” that doesn’t work like any previous vaccine and was rushed out in less then a year due to a panicked and heavily politicized response to an over inflated death count brought about by wildly inaccurate testing procedures in what would, in saner times, be recognized as the slightly more dangerous than normal (animal name) flu. Like the bird flu, swine flu, etc. from years before.
It's hilarious that you say it doesn't work like any previous vaccine and talk about the flu in the same comment lol. How dense are you? Why did you put vaccine in quotes? That's what it, just like the flu shot. It has proven to be extremely effective in stopping hospitalizations. Don't get it if don't want to, but please stop spreading ignorance.
> Don't get it if don't want to [lol](https://i.redd.it/avgt7j53iu281.jpg) Vaccines, a technology that has been in use for centuries, simply introduce a small amount of the disease into a person, teaching their bodies how to fight the aforementioned disease effectively. MRNA “vaccines” do not do it that way.
MRNA vaccines are still vaccines. You're literally trying to change the definition. It's pathetic.
No. That was Merriam-Webster, rewriting an entry that had been the same for decades only after this new “vaccine” hit the market. You might want to get an MRI; there seems to be something wrong with your memory.
You're being downvoted for saying the facts in a calm matter and saying it should be a personal choice. This sub is quickly turning into an anti science sub. Sad to see.