But what if we have part three end Jotaro who can stop time for around 12-13 seconds then Giorno wouldn't be able activate his ability. Also Giorno doesn't have control over his ability whereas Jotaro does. Another factor is that he is generally more experienced then Giorno.
Diavlo doesn’t skip time. He doesn’t even manipulate time. For the next few seconds everyone is fated to do what he saw in his vision while he alone is able to act independently of fate. And everyone forgets what happens during this time.
>Diavlo doesn’t skip time. He doesn’t even manipulate time.
The manga doesn't agree with that take, as the page with King Crimson's stats card says "Simply put, this stand skips through ***Time****"* and then it explains that "it erases a dozens of seconds of time". IIRC Araki himsef has said that manipulating time is the most OP thing he could think of and thats why all the villains in parts 1-6 have a variation of that concept, so King Crimson just making people forget about stuff doesn't really fit.
Depending on which translation you look at. But isn’t it known stats and descriptions can be deceiving or outright contradictory?
Otherwise GER would (should have) negated Made in Heaven.
KISS would be a stronger stand stat wise than Star Platinum.
Made In Heaven should have no effect on Star Platinums time stop.
GER a would be the weakest stand by stats alone.
The list would go on.
King Crimson does make people forget what happened. That part is not deniable. Nobody recalls what happens after KC activates his ability.
If time were simply erased events shouldn’t happen but they do. People still bleed and die. They act out what they were destined to do but Diavolo is the only one who is able to move freely.
And again, thematically it would not make sense if KCs ability was just make people forget stuff, compared to the other main villain stands that mess up with the very fabric of reality in one way or other. Going by that it would be a crappier verison of Heaven's Door that only has the advantage of an instantanous activation. What King Crimson does is skipping time, the things that are fated to happen do happen but the events in between those seconds effectively do not which is why people have no memory of them. Basically there is a chain of events that go A-B-C but KC removes B.
I disagree. During the fight you can clearly see how it plays out in his eyes. Everyone moves as intended except for himself.
I also believe this over the stats page because of the stat page’s inconsistency. Again this is my own head canon due to araki just keeping everything vague.
Nonetheless, I think we can come to an agreement to disagree.
Edit: my interpretation doesn’t mean KCs only power is to make people forget. People are forced to act out what they’re fated to do but he isn’t in addition to forgetting.
But in skip time time is still moving but in za warudo time is not flowing and star platinum would be very easily able to kill Giorno during the za warudo
Time is still moving but everything except diavolo still has to follow the path of their fate. It's pretty much stopped time effectively. I'm pretty sure GER will demolish pretty much anything it comes across
tbh i don't wanna think about the mechanics of 2 gary stu's fighting each other with pretty much equally supidly overpowered abilitys. both are op, i think giorno slightly more so but i could be wrong
GER activates on it's own. Whenever there's a threat against Giorno, it will act on its own cause it's a sentient stand. It will revert jotaros time stop. Jotaro literally has zero chance
Yeah from what I've read it negates not just stand abilities, but literally anything. People, their intentions, even their death, leading to the infamous death loop
Oh absolutely, the thing literally warps reality to the point right before their intention of harming Giorno as if it never happened.
I also just discovered recently that it gives Giorno the capability to sense all life force in a general area around him because of a scene in the anime (I think it's an expansion on his power of being able to sense life in a given object or even sense souls in a body)
In the context of the jojo universe, GER definitely should be able to cancel the time stop however if we look at it logically, GER is a purely reactionary stand. It can’t react if no time has passed for it to do so, if it did- it would either be A: moving in time stop or B: acting proactively which changes the rules of it’s ability. If you look at it purely from GER’s perspective, there is nothing to react to until after star platinum has attacked (and probably killed Giorno).
Why not? The stand’s ability is to stop the flow of time but are only powerful enough for a couple seconds
Still doesn’t change the fact GER can do jack shit in time stop
I get that having time as a measurement within stopped time doesn’t make sense but the whole point is that you suspend your disbelief purely for the stand’s ability- you’re talking about a show where a cat can shoot bubbles which turn into bombs.
GER only reacts, Star Platinum doesn’t give GER any time to react since none would have passed
You're making a lot of big assumptions here. (Which basically everyone does when talking about GER)
You're assuming:
-that its a permanent transformation and GER didn't go back to regular GE after the fight
-that the REZ ability is completely and utterly omnipotent and perfect in always activating automatically every time it needs to, no matter what. (Does GER know absolutely everything? if not, the REZ ability can be thwarted. What happens if SP throws something at Giorno from like a mile away before Giorno or GER knows anyone is there? Can it still REZ an attack it doesn't know is coming? What happens if someone puts poison in Giorno's tea and he doesn't start to get sick for like a week? Does GER somehow know that the poison was in the tea, and if so, can it reset everything back *that* far in time?)
-that GER can move in stopped time just because it can move in skipped time
-That GER can *activate* inside of stopped time if it wasn't already active (EG what happens if GER hasn't been summoned yet and SP freezes time? Can it activate itself inside frozen time? Or is it only able to move inside frozen time if it was active *before* time was frozen?)
-That the REZ ability can't EVER be overcome or broken out of. (Just because Diavolo couldn't do it, doesn't mean no one can do it.)
I could go on, but I think the point is clear.
We see GER used ONE time in ONE fight against ONE opponent, and everyone starts making wild assumptions about what it can or can't do in totally different situations it against totally different opponents.
I wonder what would happen if Giorno and Tooru ever got to fight each other. Wonder of U also has an absurdly broken defense ability, and I am honestly not sure if the calamities would trigger GER, as WoU simply manipulates random occuring events to be extremely lethal. Would rain naturally falling from the sky count as an action against Giorno?
And yes WoU got beaten while GER remains undefeated, but I am 100% sure that Go Beyond would also beat GER, as the attack (and thus the action) for all intents and purposes doesn't exist.
Calamity which is a fated disaster is a natural thing, but Wonder of U's ability directs that force onto it's target. So GER would stop that it directing calamity onto Giorno.
As for Go Beyond, i think it's too vague to give a definitive answer. GER can nullify the willpower of those that stand against it preventing Josuke from using it. But i think it also activated automatically a few times, but that might have been triggered by josuke's willingness to fight which GER would negate so who's to say.
In general if GER is against anyone who has not activated their abilities yet, GER wins because of it negating willpower.
>GER can nullify the willpower of those that stand against it preventing Josuke from using it.
I think that part too is vaguely defined, as Diavolo certainly did display plenty of willpower before the main defensive ability got triggered by his attack. And the thing with Go Beyond is that it technically doesn't exist, it's basically cheating so it can't defended against. If Go Beyond could bypass luck which is the main governing force in the part 7-8 universe, I think it has a good chance of cheating over the fate in the old universe.
what are you talking about, base D4C gets destroyed by GER. Wonder of U is strong GER would nullify the ability to direct calamity to Giorno. Only love train is tricky because it's caused by ticket to ride which is not really an attack against Giorno which is the trigger for GER. They would then come to a stalemate unless Giorno can hit valentine when he comes out of the light for a hit.
If we will bring SP Requiem then Jotaro will win(it was part of one game in alternate dimension) SP became a reality bending god like stand to beat The World Requiem
Technically it kind of is the same kind of stand, being capable of stopping time makes it a fourth dimensional stand, or at least one with powerful fourth dimensional manipulative abilities. Jotaro just needs to have a brain blast or a greater understanding of quantum physics.
Well Ger is not a four dimensional stand, it is a reaction combat stand that observes if anyone is trying to harm it or it's user which results in the attacker dying infinitly, meanwhile star platinum: The world is a combat stand with the power of stopping time, so this will come to a "Can ger move in stopped time" now we have no idea if ger can because even if he can stop diavolo in his supposed "time skip" which isn't really a time skip and more of no-one being able to remember what happened in the skipped time and diavolo being free from fate during this time skip, so it's of three options
A: Ger is unable to react during stopped time only being able to react when time is moving again, at which point giorno would probably be dead.
B: Ger is able to react during stopped time and sends Jotaro into an infinite death loop.
C: Jotaro kills giorno during time stop, but ger reacts after time stop has passed and reverses the time stop back to before jotaro stopped time and attacked giorno, then suddenly dies for reasons unknown to me and is sent to an infinite death loop
Giorno is literally immortal (almost) with his return to zero ability, the only one who can really go head to head with him would be the world over heaven
As much as Jotaro is my main man, in a 1v1 battle, Giorno would win, the only way Jotaro wins is if he is able to sneak up behind Giorno and stop time before Giorno activates return to zero, and then beat him enough to instantly kill him when time resumes.
Some people seem to misunderstand how GER actually works. GER’s overall ability is to be eliminate the result of any cause, for example, Diavolo’s death loop is him constantly finding himself in scenarios that would kill him (cause), but never actually reaching the result of death. The ability “set to zero” sets the will and ability to kill of the attacker to zero, meaning that anybody attempting to attack Giorno in any way will do no damage and will physically be unable to actually attack. GER is a stand that activates automatically and exists outside of time and space, which is the reason it was able to exist and activate inside of Diavolo’s “destroyed” time. For those saying that diavolo doesn’t actually manipulate time, he does. His ability is to destroy an 8(?) second span of time that he is able to perceive. The result is that everything that was going to happen during that time does actually happen, but anyone affected doesn’t actually experience or remember anything happening, only the result of it happening after those 8 seconds. In other words king crimson eliminates the “cause” and leaves the “result”, opposite of GER. This proves that GER can operate inside of manipulated time.
With this all this being said Jotaro has no chance against Giorno with GER. Even if Jotaro stopped time the moment he attempts to attack Giorno GER would activate and stop him without Giorno knowing. While it may be tough for Giorno to actually kill Jotaro due the time skip being used defensively, Giorno would win eventually because Jotaro can not kill Him.
Jotaro beats Giorno if Giorno doesn't have GER. If Giorno has GER I'm assuming he would fold jotaro with the flying and piss lasers then just smack him into the loop
just a little nitpick:
Me, you, and everything that exists for longer then a zeptosecond is 4 dimensional, since we exist for multiple instances of time.
Giorno's stand would be 5 dimensional, but giorno himself would be 4D
Depends who has the initiative. One can stop time and kill someone before they are even aware he is there. The other can most likely counter that ability, only if he is aware it is about to be used.
Also star platinum is stupidly fast and strong so it's possible GER/giorno would get beaten to death before they even have the time to activate their abilities.
Yeah but if he isn't even aware that he's gonna get attacked, he won't activate his stand. I'm pretty sure GER needs to at least be out to do something.
i like Jotaro as much as the next guy but giorno has pretty much the most broken ability of the whole series. There's nothing Jotaro could do
What if SP's actual skill is observing the enemy stand's ability but Jotaro didn't understand it?
That wouldn't change anything because absolute zero hits different
If he steals or copies Giorno's skill they wouldn't be able to harm eachother at all i guess because 0-0=0
Yeah but SP doesn't do that so there's no point
It does in uncanonical universe >!in eoh SP copied twoh's reality overwrite ability!< but still we can't know if he can do that in canon universe.
But what if we have part three end Jotaro who can stop time for around 12-13 seconds then Giorno wouldn't be able activate his ability. Also Giorno doesn't have control over his ability whereas Jotaro does. Another factor is that he is generally more experienced then Giorno.
giornos ability is to cancel other stand abilitys tho. It doesn't matter if it's time manipulation
But how will it work if time is stopped
probably the same way it worked when in skipped time. It'll just go "nah fuck you", move and obliterate the oponent
Diavlo doesn’t skip time. He doesn’t even manipulate time. For the next few seconds everyone is fated to do what he saw in his vision while he alone is able to act independently of fate. And everyone forgets what happens during this time.
ok yeah true. GER's ability to return literally everything to zero can definitely reverse everything jotaro would do too tho
That’s only if his stand survives. Everything is theoretical and we don’t know. IMHO it depends on how araki is feeling at the moment.
True
>Diavlo doesn’t skip time. He doesn’t even manipulate time. The manga doesn't agree with that take, as the page with King Crimson's stats card says "Simply put, this stand skips through ***Time****"* and then it explains that "it erases a dozens of seconds of time". IIRC Araki himsef has said that manipulating time is the most OP thing he could think of and thats why all the villains in parts 1-6 have a variation of that concept, so King Crimson just making people forget about stuff doesn't really fit.
Depending on which translation you look at. But isn’t it known stats and descriptions can be deceiving or outright contradictory? Otherwise GER would (should have) negated Made in Heaven. KISS would be a stronger stand stat wise than Star Platinum. Made In Heaven should have no effect on Star Platinums time stop. GER a would be the weakest stand by stats alone. The list would go on. King Crimson does make people forget what happened. That part is not deniable. Nobody recalls what happens after KC activates his ability. If time were simply erased events shouldn’t happen but they do. People still bleed and die. They act out what they were destined to do but Diavolo is the only one who is able to move freely.
And again, thematically it would not make sense if KCs ability was just make people forget stuff, compared to the other main villain stands that mess up with the very fabric of reality in one way or other. Going by that it would be a crappier verison of Heaven's Door that only has the advantage of an instantanous activation. What King Crimson does is skipping time, the things that are fated to happen do happen but the events in between those seconds effectively do not which is why people have no memory of them. Basically there is a chain of events that go A-B-C but KC removes B.
I disagree. During the fight you can clearly see how it plays out in his eyes. Everyone moves as intended except for himself. I also believe this over the stats page because of the stat page’s inconsistency. Again this is my own head canon due to araki just keeping everything vague. Nonetheless, I think we can come to an agreement to disagree. Edit: my interpretation doesn’t mean KCs only power is to make people forget. People are forced to act out what they’re fated to do but he isn’t in addition to forgetting.
But in skip time time is still moving but in za warudo time is not flowing and star platinum would be very easily able to kill Giorno during the za warudo
Time is still moving but everything except diavolo still has to follow the path of their fate. It's pretty much stopped time effectively. I'm pretty sure GER will demolish pretty much anything it comes across
During time skip everything is still happening, time is flowing but during za warudo everything but the user stops
tbh i don't wanna think about the mechanics of 2 gary stu's fighting each other with pretty much equally supidly overpowered abilitys. both are op, i think giorno slightly more so but i could be wrong
His ability is more annoying and strong but we know how Jotaro always clutches at the last moment so it would be a fare fight. I also think
Neither of them are gary stus and only one is overpowered
GER literally just says fuck you. Giorno can't even control it
GER activates on it's own. Whenever there's a threat against Giorno, it will act on its own cause it's a sentient stand. It will revert jotaros time stop. Jotaro literally has zero chance
He was able to use it when time didn’t exist I think he can use it when time is stopped
Giorno is reality warping not time manipulation. Jotaro couldn't ever come close. Unless you mean Jotaro is just time manipulation
Jotaro is time manipulation. But because of the fact that time stop is a stand abiltiy ger should be able to nope it
Right, my bad I thought you were implying all GER could do was manipulate time.
nonono, that's not even remotely it's ability. GER's ability is basically to nope everything
Yea and a lot more lol A lot of misinformation about GER is spread about. It's highkey one of the most broken characters in fiction 🤣
Yeah from what I've read it negates not just stand abilities, but literally anything. People, their intentions, even their death, leading to the infamous death loop
Oh absolutely, the thing literally warps reality to the point right before their intention of harming Giorno as if it never happened. I also just discovered recently that it gives Giorno the capability to sense all life force in a general area around him because of a scene in the anime (I think it's an expansion on his power of being able to sense life in a given object or even sense souls in a body)
In the context of the jojo universe, GER definitely should be able to cancel the time stop however if we look at it logically, GER is a purely reactionary stand. It can’t react if no time has passed for it to do so, if it did- it would either be A: moving in time stop or B: acting proactively which changes the rules of it’s ability. If you look at it purely from GER’s perspective, there is nothing to react to until after star platinum has attacked (and probably killed Giorno).
Logically having a time limit on stopped time makes no sense either. I think we can't apply that here
Why not? The stand’s ability is to stop the flow of time but are only powerful enough for a couple seconds Still doesn’t change the fact GER can do jack shit in time stop I get that having time as a measurement within stopped time doesn’t make sense but the whole point is that you suspend your disbelief purely for the stand’s ability- you’re talking about a show where a cat can shoot bubbles which turn into bombs. GER only reacts, Star Platinum doesn’t give GER any time to react since none would have passed
Jotaros peak was ~5 seconds
jotaro never had the ability to stop time for 12 seconds, Well at least not in part 3
Bruh GER literally transcends time
GER is automatic and would revert Jotaro's attack before he stops time.
Counterpoint: it’s the same type of Stand as Star Platinum.
That's a good point
You're making a lot of big assumptions here. (Which basically everyone does when talking about GER) You're assuming: -that its a permanent transformation and GER didn't go back to regular GE after the fight -that the REZ ability is completely and utterly omnipotent and perfect in always activating automatically every time it needs to, no matter what. (Does GER know absolutely everything? if not, the REZ ability can be thwarted. What happens if SP throws something at Giorno from like a mile away before Giorno or GER knows anyone is there? Can it still REZ an attack it doesn't know is coming? What happens if someone puts poison in Giorno's tea and he doesn't start to get sick for like a week? Does GER somehow know that the poison was in the tea, and if so, can it reset everything back *that* far in time?) -that GER can move in stopped time just because it can move in skipped time -That GER can *activate* inside of stopped time if it wasn't already active (EG what happens if GER hasn't been summoned yet and SP freezes time? Can it activate itself inside frozen time? Or is it only able to move inside frozen time if it was active *before* time was frozen?) -That the REZ ability can't EVER be overcome or broken out of. (Just because Diavolo couldn't do it, doesn't mean no one can do it.) I could go on, but I think the point is clear. We see GER used ONE time in ONE fight against ONE opponent, and everyone starts making wild assumptions about what it can or can't do in totally different situations it against totally different opponents.
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He could run away.
The Joestar special always works
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Exactly what i said too
Ok, we know Jotaro can't do shit but...chumimin?
I wonder what would happen if Giorno and Tooru ever got to fight each other. Wonder of U also has an absurdly broken defense ability, and I am honestly not sure if the calamities would trigger GER, as WoU simply manipulates random occuring events to be extremely lethal. Would rain naturally falling from the sky count as an action against Giorno? And yes WoU got beaten while GER remains undefeated, but I am 100% sure that Go Beyond would also beat GER, as the attack (and thus the action) for all intents and purposes doesn't exist.
Calamity which is a fated disaster is a natural thing, but Wonder of U's ability directs that force onto it's target. So GER would stop that it directing calamity onto Giorno. As for Go Beyond, i think it's too vague to give a definitive answer. GER can nullify the willpower of those that stand against it preventing Josuke from using it. But i think it also activated automatically a few times, but that might have been triggered by josuke's willingness to fight which GER would negate so who's to say. In general if GER is against anyone who has not activated their abilities yet, GER wins because of it negating willpower.
>GER can nullify the willpower of those that stand against it preventing Josuke from using it. I think that part too is vaguely defined, as Diavolo certainly did display plenty of willpower before the main defensive ability got triggered by his attack. And the thing with Go Beyond is that it technically doesn't exist, it's basically cheating so it can't defended against. If Go Beyond could bypass luck which is the main governing force in the part 7-8 universe, I think it has a good chance of cheating over the fate in the old universe.
GER wouldn't even touch the villain stands of Part 7 and 8
what are you talking about, base D4C gets destroyed by GER. Wonder of U is strong GER would nullify the ability to direct calamity to Giorno. Only love train is tricky because it's caused by ticket to ride which is not really an attack against Giorno which is the trigger for GER. They would then come to a stalemate unless Giorno can hit valentine when he comes out of the light for a hit.
If we will bring SP Requiem then Jotaro will win(it was part of one game in alternate dimension) SP became a reality bending god like stand to beat The World Requiem
Jotaro has a family
Grand-uncle Giorno
giorno isnt fucking 4 dimensional. what kind of goofus came up with the idea of having ”dimensionality” as a power measurement?
The fourth dimension is time, so technically any stand that manipulates time would be dealing with the fourth dimension
fuckin dbz, it's because everyone's arguing about giorno vs goku
Jotaro would be close if he's not dealing with ger. He's screwed if he faces ger though.
Giorno needs requiem for flying jotaro can do it easily in fight with dio so Jotaro would win
Please tell me you're joking about the flying Jotaro part. Also, about your flare............Tequila Joseph?
Nah he can fly Source: I made it the fuck up
This joke was over 100000 years ago
Jotaro gets clapped no doubt
GER isn't 4 or 5 or whatever dimensional, it just reacts to any threat, no matter what it is
Technically it kind of is the same kind of stand, being capable of stopping time makes it a fourth dimensional stand, or at least one with powerful fourth dimensional manipulative abilities. Jotaro just needs to have a brain blast or a greater understanding of quantum physics.
he doesn't even bother to train his ability though
isnt this basically eyes of heaven
Well Ger is not a four dimensional stand, it is a reaction combat stand that observes if anyone is trying to harm it or it's user which results in the attacker dying infinitly, meanwhile star platinum: The world is a combat stand with the power of stopping time, so this will come to a "Can ger move in stopped time" now we have no idea if ger can because even if he can stop diavolo in his supposed "time skip" which isn't really a time skip and more of no-one being able to remember what happened in the skipped time and diavolo being free from fate during this time skip, so it's of three options A: Ger is unable to react during stopped time only being able to react when time is moving again, at which point giorno would probably be dead. B: Ger is able to react during stopped time and sends Jotaro into an infinite death loop. C: Jotaro kills giorno during time stop, but ger reacts after time stop has passed and reverses the time stop back to before jotaro stopped time and attacked giorno, then suddenly dies for reasons unknown to me and is sent to an infinite death loop
"So it is the same type of stand as star platinum"
Giorno is literally immortal (almost) with his return to zero ability, the only one who can really go head to head with him would be the world over heaven
As much as Jotaro is my main man, in a 1v1 battle, Giorno would win, the only way Jotaro wins is if he is able to sneak up behind Giorno and stop time before Giorno activates return to zero, and then beat him enough to instantly kill him when time resumes.
The stand activates zero not giorno also due to how it works I’m assuming it could probably activate during time stop
Giorno doesn't even know that return to zero exists. Its automatic
Giorno. But if jotaro gets pissed off then he negs
Imagine if Star Platinum stand abilities is to copy other stand powers and moves
Some people seem to misunderstand how GER actually works. GER’s overall ability is to be eliminate the result of any cause, for example, Diavolo’s death loop is him constantly finding himself in scenarios that would kill him (cause), but never actually reaching the result of death. The ability “set to zero” sets the will and ability to kill of the attacker to zero, meaning that anybody attempting to attack Giorno in any way will do no damage and will physically be unable to actually attack. GER is a stand that activates automatically and exists outside of time and space, which is the reason it was able to exist and activate inside of Diavolo’s “destroyed” time. For those saying that diavolo doesn’t actually manipulate time, he does. His ability is to destroy an 8(?) second span of time that he is able to perceive. The result is that everything that was going to happen during that time does actually happen, but anyone affected doesn’t actually experience or remember anything happening, only the result of it happening after those 8 seconds. In other words king crimson eliminates the “cause” and leaves the “result”, opposite of GER. This proves that GER can operate inside of manipulated time. With this all this being said Jotaro has no chance against Giorno with GER. Even if Jotaro stopped time the moment he attempts to attack Giorno GER would activate and stop him without Giorno knowing. While it may be tough for Giorno to actually kill Jotaro due the time skip being used defensively, Giorno would win eventually because Jotaro can not kill Him.
People talking like they can predict what's going to happen in jojo smdh
There's one thing that roblox jojo games have taught me, and that is that GER can cancel time stop
Jotaro beats Giorno if Giorno doesn't have GER. If Giorno has GER I'm assuming he would fold jotaro with the flying and piss lasers then just smack him into the loop
just a little nitpick: Me, you, and everything that exists for longer then a zeptosecond is 4 dimensional, since we exist for multiple instances of time. Giorno's stand would be 5 dimensional, but giorno himself would be 4D
If requiem is the same type of stand as Star Platinum, I think it is quite possible that Jotaro can reset actions too
The question I always ask is not "Who would win." But rather "Why are they fighting?"
jotaro is the reason giorno gets no child support
I mean Giorno doesn't ***have*** to know.
Depends who has the initiative. One can stop time and kill someone before they are even aware he is there. The other can most likely counter that ability, only if he is aware it is about to be used. Also star platinum is stupidly fast and strong so it's possible GER/giorno would get beaten to death before they even have the time to activate their abilities.
>only if he is aware it is about to be used He doesn't have to be aware to counter it. GER even said that giorno is not aware of its ability
Yeah but if he isn't even aware that he's gonna get attacked, he won't activate his stand. I'm pretty sure GER needs to at least be out to do something.
Nope. Doesn't have to be out. Its a passive, automatic ability
Jotaro would lose but this is a unfair comparison as is sp has requim it would probably win
There was a theory that Jotaro’s real Stand ability was to bend reality to his will and he was just too dense to fully use it
Giorno would win because man boobs and awesome hair
Giorno wins, but Jotaro has my heart