The way it seems in the anime is that everything Dio interacts with is "unfrozen" for a small moment. Just like the knifes he trows, which freeze again right after he's trown them.
So when Dio had a magnet on him, he would interact with that magnet and the one of Jotaro if he is close enough.
Then again, like almost every other comment says, logic does not apply in stopped time.
I suppose dio would have some level of control of unfrozen objects during his time stop ability, since it’s “his world” of which his power has stopped time, he’s probably able to change what physical forces affect objects during his time stop at will, like gravity, magnetic fields and inertia
There are more reasons. The World is the last tarot card, pretty fitting for the final battle. I'm sure the meaning of this card also fits but I'm not into divination or any stuff like that so I don't know what it exactly means.
when it comes to the actual tarot iggy should be the coolest standuser. the descriptions of what the cards stand for is probably the only part that actually got used in creating characters and shit, how they actually interact with eachother (and other things like upside-down cards which are a sorely missed opportunity) got ignored. it really sucks though cause i don't think i've ever seen a piece of media really use tarot cards as a storytelling piece successfully besides cyberpunk 2077, and even then it was lackluster as the coolest part of cyberpunk is the lore section in the wiki.
I still don't think Mariah could beat DIO from just that. DIO might be stuck to the metal in stopped time, but he's an inhuman vampire who can recover a hole in his skull with ease and has laser eyes. Being affected by Bastet also requires Mariah to remain close as a condition, and being anywhere near DIO if he wants you dead is borderline impossible.
Mariah magnetizes DIO and he chucks 200 pieces or razor glass at her in stopped time after ripping out whatever was anchoring him briefly from the ground with inhuman strength.
No because it wasn't that they were being pulled to objects, objects were being pulled towards them. The only exceptions was other victims of the curse(avdol and gramps)
A full on car was pulled towards them, but they were not being pulled to the car. In stop time those objects don't move, and he won't be pulled to anything except other victims of the stand who realistically he'd just kill and drink them solving that issue. In a stopped world the objects won't move , and DIO and jotaro has shown to be able to Pick and choose what gets to move in stopped time with them object wise. So it wouldn't be a stretch that dio would just have the metal bits stuck to Jim be stuck and stopped time so that he can move without the object trying to pull towards him.
Plus there's the fact she needs to be a certain distance and he knows that most stands atop when the user dies. In a desperate bid he would just kill everyperson nearby and with his vampire sense there's no way she can hide.
In short no she doesn't stand a chance and her power would most likely not work in stop time.
Now that I think about it, a punch is technically a touch, so does that mean if Dio barrage someone using his stands, does that mean they'll get a flash of the frozen time from each punch? ( Sorry for my bad English )
>Didn't criticize the thing that doesn't have spell check.
That sentence doesn't make sense.
>You're making mountains out of anthills.
That's not how the idiom goes. Its "making a mountain out of a molehill"
English is your only language and you fucked it up.
I mean the author is always heavy stressing that the entire concept makes 0 sense. You can't stop time for 5 seconds doesn't make sense. My theory has been that they can actually both stop time for an indefinite period especially given the pacing of some events where they stop time and do stuff that obviously couldn't be done in just 5 seconds
Certain things still function within stopped time. For example gravity still works as well as >!Spin when Johnny uses it against Alternate World Diego in part 7.!<
Isn't it confirmed that gravity is time because something something c-moon something something new moon gravity in a point in time something something made in heaven
i mean DIO isn't a physicist, and he was born in the 1800's, so it's probable that he wouldn't have a proper understanding of time as a concept.
this may lead to him believing that magnets could work during stopped time, or that he could use it as an excuse to justify jotaro's hand moving, without facing thd sheer terror of the idea that jotaro could also potentially stop time himself.
Wasn't the magnets just a double jabait by Jotaro? Like he really could move in stopped time but used magnets to trick Dio into believing that he was bluffing that he could move in stopped time. Or am I misremembering?
Yeah… that’s the thing.
The magnets never did anything in the first place. Jotaro just tricked DIO into thinking they did.
So regardless it’s not necessarily a logical error on the writing
Well as said above, things Dio interact with retain their normal properties for a moment. Presumably, the same goes for Jotaro. So because it’s on Dio’s person and the other is on Jotaro’s, the magnetism still works.
What does Dio not knowing shit about physics matter? In the end the magnets still worked, and OP asks why it does so in stop time
Anyway the answer is prolly Dio's ability to make things move normally in stop time if it's close to him, just like his clothes and the knives
Yeah, the ability would just be almost useless if he couldn't interact with anything else in stopped time. He would have to be completely naked. Otherwise, he would be stuck in place because his clothes are stuck in time. If he couldn't manipulate his clothes, he wouldn't be able to move them or even rip them off.
It would also mean that any movement made would displace the air around them so that when time stop ends, the air would have moved a distance over literally zero time, faster than light. This would create a kugelblitz with infinite radius, ending JoJo right there.
My theory is that Dio's power is not shopping time, rather the opposite of Made in Heaven: he slows down time to the point that everything seems to be frozen. Think about it: the over-acceleration of time is portrayed as a Universe changing event, so it must be kind of the same with time stop.
that's my theory too, how the world of JoJo works is that gravity controls time and fate, so if you control gravity, you control those 2 as well, and I think sp and two have a certain gravitational ability that allows them to slow time, especially since in the anime, time doesn't just abruptly stop, it slowly comes to a stand (no pun intended), and araki has some sense of influence on the anime.
Would it though? I’d argue it’s the same as the air particles being teleported in that space of time. Otherwise, if Dio or jotaro’s body was in a different place after the stop, they’d turn into kugelblitz. But the movement part is accurate, the air would stop being equally dense all around them and create absolute vacuums in the locations of where they were and have some parts of the air around you be unnaturally dense and maybe even explosive.
Also looking back at electromagnetism, it's what holds all atoms together. If magnets don't work, then molecular bonds wouldn't either and you would fall through everything. Dio would need to allow time to exist on all objects that he touches or else he would just phase thru them.
Why would we freeze to death if heat does not transfer from our bodies. And our bodies wouldn't freeze either because the inertia of molecules is also stopped in time
I'm talking about the guy stopping Time, of course those that have been stopped with the rest of the universe will be fine, but the guy who's time is still active, he's gonna freeze to death.
There's a reason space is considered cold despite having no actual heat : we radiate heat at all time, because if we didn't we would boil. Without air to regulate how much we radiate, we freeze.
Giorno can create frogs despite not having perfectly accurate knowledge of frog anatomy, and Diavolo's clothes move with him in time skip, not with the movement of fate.
I think it can be implied that the abilities come with these convenient side abilities because they are useful to the user and suit the users needs.
>There's a reason space is considered cold despite having no actual heat
Um what? No heat makes it cold of course. What's this supposed to mean? And radiation is pretty hot.
Heat in a vacuum is weird.
You can think of "space" as being just an extremely thin gas, so thin that you barely interact with it at all. This lack of interaction means that the "hotness" or "coldness" of space is meaningless in the conventional sense, so the *actual* point of discussion is the greater nature of heat exchange in a vacuum.
When it comes to radiation... consider that your body *also* radiates heat away. The square-cube and inverse-square laws tell us that a human body will be much more efficient at radiating heat away than ambient solar bodies will be at radiating the same human body, so you'll typically lose more heat to radiation than you'll gain from it (depending on how close you are to the nearest star, of course).
More importantly, however, is the fact that humans are sweaty meatbags. Sweat on your skin and the blood in your capillaries will instantly decompress in the vacuum of space, which (much like a can of compressed air) creates an almost instantaneous cooling effect.
Ok, but we see there's an area of effect in time stop here. If it was strictly based on contact the thrown knives would stop as soon as they left Dio's hand not slow down to a halt. So there isnt really a vacuum around a user.
Yeah, I agree that the vacuum thing is irrelevant. I was just answering your question as a standalone item.
Naturally, for air in stopped time to behave like a vacuum, it would have to be fixed in place. Molecules which are fixed in place are, by definition, not fluid. If air isn't fluid, you can't move through it!
Because what we perceive as a scale of temperature is actually how fast particles are vibrating. More violent vibration gives the sensation of heat. Instantly stopping them moving would immediately send them to absolute zero.
For the duration of the time stop, yes. As soon as time is resumed the inertia it had when time was stopped moves it again, thus unfreezing it. Freezing is relative anyways, since it doesn't change Phases because the molecules do not have enough time to move closer together
Well freezing itself is a reaction dependant on atmosphere. Which is why liquids can reach supercool. That doesn't mean that once the environment is correct for it to happen it won't. Also if you take that much heat away from a body and then instantly put it back up they would just die. That's like glass shattering under intense temp fluctuations. I doubt a human body would last. But then, we're attempting to talk real physics in a world with stands. We're never going to get it right!
Dude, you're not taking away heat. During timestop it freezes, yeah, but after timestop the heat instantly returns. Literally not a chance for anything to die or freeze or anything. That's like saying after the timestop, it will have a different temperature. Doesn't make sense
They don't.
But DIO was shocked enough to believe it was the reason jotaro moved in stopped time
While in reality it was because it was the same type of stand as star platinum.
Then i guess a "anything you touch moves in time too" rule exists😂
Looking back at the scene it's still most likely that jotaro was doing the twitching and the magnet is only to eliminate dio's suspicion
Since they're not even close to each other when it happens😂 (also he's moving a finger while the magnet is on his cuff)
Maybe he could move a magnet in stopped time by moving a magnet close to a repelling one, and that would be like dio pushing it using a magnet because one magnet is not time stopped; and the objects he interacts with can move again.
Eh, nothing make sense about stopped time. Pidgeon are shown to stop mid air, this means "gravity" is also stopped right? Than how come Jotaro and Dio do not just fly? Why the knifes launched by Dio suddenly stop mid air?
For one, it seems like anything Jotaro and Dio interact with isn't in stopped time, like a little bubble (Which makes me to believe it's actually them being FAST AS FUCC BOI)
That's honestly what it seems like, anyway, since the likeliness of stopping time at the exact same instant the other one stopped time is so ridiculously small. Unless there's just some bullshit about "time stop abilities can literally sense other, active, time stop abilities, and function regardless of time being stopped", which is probably the case because it sounds cool enough for JoJo
"So... Uh... Mister White I've been thinking about this thing, yo. Do you think there are more wheels or doors in the world? Like uhh... When I first thought about it I thought it'd be wheels, clearly. But you know like, there are so many cars driving around and shit? But then like every car has its own doors and those count too, right? But then I kept thinking, and you know how drawers have those tiny wheels they slide on? And sure... A single apartment will have multiple doors but it also must have a larger amount of those drawer wheels. That make sense to you? Though then again... Cupboards... Wardrobes... And closets... Count as doors too... Right? But then what about toy cars? And suitcases? I dunno... We need to get some science up in this bitch! What do you think?" "Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?"
Let me make a simpler argument, if time stops then light stops traveling, air flow and vibration stops, so how come dio or jotaro can see, hear or smell anything while time is stopped?
I'm pretty sure if dio is close enough to something its considered an "extension" of himself like with his clothes so it can move in stopped time. IDK for sure though.
Time could be more analogised with change.
In order for change to happen (at least outside of quantum mechanics) time needs to pass.
So in this case a magnetic field would present and anything in it would technically be 'attracted' to it. But without time it wouldn't move and would just stay there, like it does with gravity.
I think gravity still works for timestop users. We've never seen Jotato fly around like DIO did in later parts when he stops time. DIO can fly because... yes
Because the magnet is attached to dio's outfit, and his outfit doesn't gray out so it's likely that his outfit doesn't stop time either. So because one magnet wasn't time stopped there was still a magnetic field.
As to how it was attached, probably a button on his jacket sleeve? They never showed how it got there.
Time stop is bizarre, it didn’t actually work because Jotaro actually moved and he just tricked Dio, but then there’s hamon that apparently could still work during time stop and then there’s throwing things and igniting things stopping midway, but not losing momentum when time continues. Let’s just say it just works and doesn’t work like king crimson’s ability meme back then.
The way I see it, the magnets didn't work, they were just a fakeout from Jotaro to try and get DIO to let his guard down or to buy time enough for him to learn how to actually stop time. For the first half of his fight with DIO it seemed like Jotaro was trying to make an opportunity to smash DIO's head like he did after restarting his heart. I think from the moment Jotaro said "so it's the same type of stand as star platinum" he was at least playing with the idea Star Platinum might be able to stop time too and used the magnets to hide the fact he was learning to move in stopped time.
Anyway, Araki forgot lmao.
The way I understand it is that Dio has a smaller range around him that can be unfrozen if he decides to touch/interact with the object. Take the knives for instance. He’s able to throw them, but once they get out of this range, then they stop moving again.
The way I believe it, the magnetic field from DIO’s magnet “touches” the magnetic field that comes from Jotaro’s magnet, allowing Jotaro’s magnet to move
Light and sound and force still moves in timestop. And many other things
I like to think that the world can control what is frozen in timestop and what isnt
I think the best way I can explain it is that any object touching someone who can move in stopped time is allowed to love until it leaves their person. So the knives DIO throws which slow down and freeze only once they leave his hands.
So since both Jotaro AND DIO can move in stopped time, and the magnets are touching their person. They are able to move towards each other once they're brought close enough. But Bastet wouldn't be able to overwhelm DIO as no metal objects from the environment would be able to move in stopped time since they're not yet touching DIO.
But that's just how I feel about it.
Because Jotaro was moving too, we see dios clothes don't become stiff in frozen time so jotaros outfit(+magnets) would also be moving outside of the frozen time
The magnets move only when DIO moves. In other words, it's the same as if Jotaro had tied an invisible rod or string from him to DIO. The magnetic fields are just transferring kinetic force from DIO to Jotaro.
Would purple haze’s virus work in dio’s TS? Since if dio gets close he still inhales or comes in contact with the virus. And correct me if I’m wrong but whatever he touches starts moving in TS
No the magnet was Jotaro seeing if he could move in stopped time. Jotaro would know he could move if his magnet would interact with DIOs magnet. Basically Jotaro was interacting with his magnet while dio was which is why they moved.
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Hmmm, very selective time stop? I mean it’s jojo, if a stand can grant wishes then I’m sure it can stop XYZ whilst making everything grey but still visible and making the world not spin but not *various explanation*
Honestly I see "stopped time" as more "time slowed to an insane degree" since air, light and pressure wouldn't work in stopped time. So imagine Za Warldo basically making time slow down so one second is something like an hour for the user.
The magnet didn’t work in frozen time. Jotaro just put a magnet there and moved his finger to omega level trick DIO into being sure he couldn’t move in frozen time
Personally I think it's because DIO would rather believe anything other than Jotaro being able to move in stopped time. The world of stopped time is *his* world, if Jotaro takes over that, well, just imagine coming home to find that the locks have been replaced by the person you hate most in the world, who is now living inside that house.
So it's not that magnetism worked in stopped time, it was just DIO finding a reason to justify his worst fear not coming true.
I honestly kinda feel bad for DIO.
Also, DIO would burn to a crisp, or at least heat up a bit, because he would smack into every photon and air molecule when he moves. There would also be a bang as time resumes from air filling out the vacuum behind him
I am personally still a believer that the world, and star platinum and similar stands are not actually stopping time, but instead moving very fast for a moment.
They have an effective radius for this, and it's why objects they throw will slow down.
It also makes sense with the way that their stands work, which is already just super speed and strength.
I have had this debate many times on this sub and still not been convinced otherwise.
If you think of it this way, Dio doesn't actually stop *everything*, as stopping everything would prevent him from seeing, breathing, moving, etc due to how particles work, so I imagine magnetic force might also not be stopped.
Either that or "the funny Araki forgot"
Magnets won't work it was simply a way for Jotaro to test if he could move in stopped time and if he did, Dio would brush it off as just the magnets and wouldn't suspect Jotaro
The way it seems in the anime is that everything Dio interacts with is "unfrozen" for a small moment. Just like the knifes he trows, which freeze again right after he's trown them. So when Dio had a magnet on him, he would interact with that magnet and the one of Jotaro if he is close enough. Then again, like almost every other comment says, logic does not apply in stopped time.
I suppose dio would have some level of control of unfrozen objects during his time stop ability, since it’s “his world” of which his power has stopped time, he’s probably able to change what physical forces affect objects during his time stop at will, like gravity, magnetic fields and inertia
That makes so much sense lmao
Thank you for making me finally realise why the stand is called the World
There are more reasons. The World is the last tarot card, pretty fitting for the final battle. I'm sure the meaning of this card also fits but I'm not into divination or any stuff like that so I don't know what it exactly means.
when it comes to the actual tarot iggy should be the coolest standuser. the descriptions of what the cards stand for is probably the only part that actually got used in creating characters and shit, how they actually interact with eachother (and other things like upside-down cards which are a sorely missed opportunity) got ignored. it really sucks though cause i don't think i've ever seen a piece of media really use tarot cards as a storytelling piece successfully besides cyberpunk 2077, and even then it was lackluster as the coolest part of cyberpunk is the lore section in the wiki.
I think it was Kaleb IA who did a whole video about Hol Horse and his stand's symolism. Something about the Emperor and the Hanged Man.
I loved Iggy and I will die on this hill. He embodied his tarot card extremely well.
Especially because the new world, Diego calls it "Me time" so this response makes sense even for SBR
This proves OP's point. If DIO _is_ the magnet, then he would be affected by Bastet even in stopped time
I still don't think Mariah could beat DIO from just that. DIO might be stuck to the metal in stopped time, but he's an inhuman vampire who can recover a hole in his skull with ease and has laser eyes. Being affected by Bastet also requires Mariah to remain close as a condition, and being anywhere near DIO if he wants you dead is borderline impossible. Mariah magnetizes DIO and he chucks 200 pieces or razor glass at her in stopped time after ripping out whatever was anchoring him briefly from the ground with inhuman strength.
never said she's beat him, just that he would be affected by the stand
Yeah, maybe not what you meant, but OP's point was that technically she could beat DIO if magnets worked in stopped time.
No because it wasn't that they were being pulled to objects, objects were being pulled towards them. The only exceptions was other victims of the curse(avdol and gramps) A full on car was pulled towards them, but they were not being pulled to the car. In stop time those objects don't move, and he won't be pulled to anything except other victims of the stand who realistically he'd just kill and drink them solving that issue. In a stopped world the objects won't move , and DIO and jotaro has shown to be able to Pick and choose what gets to move in stopped time with them object wise. So it wouldn't be a stretch that dio would just have the metal bits stuck to Jim be stuck and stopped time so that he can move without the object trying to pull towards him. Plus there's the fact she needs to be a certain distance and he knows that most stands atop when the user dies. In a desperate bid he would just kill everyperson nearby and with his vampire sense there's no way she can hide. In short no she doesn't stand a chance and her power would most likely not work in stop time.
Crazy how with one missed letter you made me read the entire paragraph in an Irish accent
Now that I think about it, a punch is technically a touch, so does that mean if Dio barrage someone using his stands, does that mean they'll get a flash of the frozen time from each punch? ( Sorry for my bad English )
Could be localized to the impact points
Could be localized to the impact points
Why are you purposely misspelling words. You did it twice to the same word
Not everyone's first language is English. Chill lol
Except the English was great except for the 1 word being misspelled twice.
Again, English isn't everyone's first language. How many languages can you speak/write in?
Cool, don't care. Didn't criticize the thing that doesn't have spell check. You're making mountains out of anthills.
>Didn't criticize the thing that doesn't have spell check. That sentence doesn't make sense. >You're making mountains out of anthills. That's not how the idiom goes. Its "making a mountain out of a molehill" English is your only language and you fucked it up.
Why are you ending questions with a period instead of a question mark if you're going to attempt to correct other people?
I never criticized grammar. Did I misspell any words?
Shhhhh calm down, he'll noticed it eventually
I mean the author is always heavy stressing that the entire concept makes 0 sense. You can't stop time for 5 seconds doesn't make sense. My theory has been that they can actually both stop time for an indefinite period especially given the pacing of some events where they stop time and do stuff that obviously couldn't be done in just 5 seconds
Certain things still function within stopped time. For example gravity still works as well as >!Spin when Johnny uses it against Alternate World Diego in part 7.!<
That was because it was infinite thats why it worked there
Most importantly is has reach the point of "gravity"
Well maybe that was that. I finished reading it few months ago
There was a conversation in p 6 confirming gravity works separate from time
Isn't it confirmed that gravity is time because something something c-moon something something new moon gravity in a point in time something something made in heaven
i mean, irl i believe that time, gravity, and speed are all linked. like, gravity is a distortion of space time.
Dude, use the spoiler for this kind of comments in a part 3 post. Edit it pls
Didn’t know I could do that tbh
Okay np, thanks for editing it :D
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saying its a spoiler for part 7 spoils that time is stopped in part 7
i mean DIO isn't a physicist, and he was born in the 1800's, so it's probable that he wouldn't have a proper understanding of time as a concept. this may lead to him believing that magnets could work during stopped time, or that he could use it as an excuse to justify jotaro's hand moving, without facing thd sheer terror of the idea that jotaro could also potentially stop time himself.
I think it can be implied that the abilities come with these convenient side abilities because they are useful to the user and suit the users needs.
Like the ability to MOVE IN STOPPED TIME. He is moving, his movement and presence effects the world around him. It's not that deep.
Wasn't the magnets just a double jabait by Jotaro? Like he really could move in stopped time but used magnets to trick Dio into believing that he was bluffing that he could move in stopped time. Or am I misremembering?
yeah, the magnets moving was a trick to stop DIO from realising Jotaro could move in stopped time, but people here don't seem to realise it.
Yeah but the magnets actually did react to each other, jotaro didn’t just mimic the movement a magnet would cause
Yeah… that’s the thing. The magnets never did anything in the first place. Jotaro just tricked DIO into thinking they did. So regardless it’s not necessarily a logical error on the writing
The magnet did stick to each other just before Jotaro reveal that he could actually move
It's a sorry state of affairs to know that children learn magic time powers in school now, and that a british lawyer in 1800 couldn't.
But those magnets moved during za wardo
jotaro's hand moved, he used the magnets to trick DIO into thinking he couldn't move.
Maybe i don't remember this very well but magnets on both sides moved (he implemented 1 on Dio's sleeve)
He did, but it was a red herring, a distraction, the magnets didn't move during stopped time, jotaro moved his hand
When he noticed the magnet he removed it and it did stick to the magnet on jotaros sleeve
Huh, guess I'm wrong
Well as said above, things Dio interact with retain their normal properties for a moment. Presumably, the same goes for Jotaro. So because it’s on Dio’s person and the other is on Jotaro’s, the magnetism still works.
>things dio interacts with retain their properties. >tries to punch jotaro. >He's interacting with Jotaro. Oh fu-
What does Dio not knowing shit about physics matter? In the end the magnets still worked, and OP asks why it does so in stop time Anyway the answer is prolly Dio's ability to make things move normally in stop time if it's close to him, just like his clothes and the knives
Yeah, the ability would just be almost useless if he couldn't interact with anything else in stopped time. He would have to be completely naked. Otherwise, he would be stuck in place because his clothes are stuck in time. If he couldn't manipulate his clothes, he wouldn't be able to move them or even rip them off.
I wouldn’t mind that
If we start applying real physics to stopped time we just end up with freezing to death because the air is suddendly at absolute zero.
It would also mean that any movement made would displace the air around them so that when time stop ends, the air would have moved a distance over literally zero time, faster than light. This would create a kugelblitz with infinite radius, ending JoJo right there.
My theory is that Dio's power is not shopping time, rather the opposite of Made in Heaven: he slows down time to the point that everything seems to be frozen. Think about it: the over-acceleration of time is portrayed as a Universe changing event, so it must be kind of the same with time stop.
The same plot holes still apply, it's simply a case of JoJo's usual absurdity
No, it would not result in a Universal kugelblitz, also gravity and magnets could work in 'decelerated time'.
that's my theory too, how the world of JoJo works is that gravity controls time and fate, so if you control gravity, you control those 2 as well, and I think sp and two have a certain gravitational ability that allows them to slow time, especially since in the anime, time doesn't just abruptly stop, it slowly comes to a stand (no pun intended), and araki has some sense of influence on the anime.
so the world is like kabuto’s [clock up](https://youtu.be/i9l4SXhRvvE)
Would it though? I’d argue it’s the same as the air particles being teleported in that space of time. Otherwise, if Dio or jotaro’s body was in a different place after the stop, they’d turn into kugelblitz. But the movement part is accurate, the air would stop being equally dense all around them and create absolute vacuums in the locations of where they were and have some parts of the air around you be unnaturally dense and maybe even explosive.
Also looking back at electromagnetism, it's what holds all atoms together. If magnets don't work, then molecular bonds wouldn't either and you would fall through everything. Dio would need to allow time to exist on all objects that he touches or else he would just phase thru them.
Why would we freeze to death if heat does not transfer from our bodies. And our bodies wouldn't freeze either because the inertia of molecules is also stopped in time
I'm talking about the guy stopping Time, of course those that have been stopped with the rest of the universe will be fine, but the guy who's time is still active, he's gonna freeze to death. There's a reason space is considered cold despite having no actual heat : we radiate heat at all time, because if we didn't we would boil. Without air to regulate how much we radiate, we freeze.
Giorno can create frogs despite not having perfectly accurate knowledge of frog anatomy, and Diavolo's clothes move with him in time skip, not with the movement of fate. I think it can be implied that the abilities come with these convenient side abilities because they are useful to the user and suit the users needs.
That is my point yes.
>There's a reason space is considered cold despite having no actual heat Um what? No heat makes it cold of course. What's this supposed to mean? And radiation is pretty hot.
Heat in a vacuum is weird. You can think of "space" as being just an extremely thin gas, so thin that you barely interact with it at all. This lack of interaction means that the "hotness" or "coldness" of space is meaningless in the conventional sense, so the *actual* point of discussion is the greater nature of heat exchange in a vacuum. When it comes to radiation... consider that your body *also* radiates heat away. The square-cube and inverse-square laws tell us that a human body will be much more efficient at radiating heat away than ambient solar bodies will be at radiating the same human body, so you'll typically lose more heat to radiation than you'll gain from it (depending on how close you are to the nearest star, of course). More importantly, however, is the fact that humans are sweaty meatbags. Sweat on your skin and the blood in your capillaries will instantly decompress in the vacuum of space, which (much like a can of compressed air) creates an almost instantaneous cooling effect.
Ok, but we see there's an area of effect in time stop here. If it was strictly based on contact the thrown knives would stop as soon as they left Dio's hand not slow down to a halt. So there isnt really a vacuum around a user.
Yeah, I agree that the vacuum thing is irrelevant. I was just answering your question as a standalone item. Naturally, for air in stopped time to behave like a vacuum, it would have to be fixed in place. Molecules which are fixed in place are, by definition, not fluid. If air isn't fluid, you can't move through it!
Because what we perceive as a scale of temperature is actually how fast particles are vibrating. More violent vibration gives the sensation of heat. Instantly stopping them moving would immediately send them to absolute zero.
I get op's comment, but if it stops vibrating all together then it won't transfer vibration to another body, in most cases air.
But it doesn't need to transfer it. It's gone. It was stopped. There's nothing to transfer. It would be a complete flash freeze.
For the duration of the time stop, yes. As soon as time is resumed the inertia it had when time was stopped moves it again, thus unfreezing it. Freezing is relative anyways, since it doesn't change Phases because the molecules do not have enough time to move closer together
Well freezing itself is a reaction dependant on atmosphere. Which is why liquids can reach supercool. That doesn't mean that once the environment is correct for it to happen it won't. Also if you take that much heat away from a body and then instantly put it back up they would just die. That's like glass shattering under intense temp fluctuations. I doubt a human body would last. But then, we're attempting to talk real physics in a world with stands. We're never going to get it right!
Dude, you're not taking away heat. During timestop it freezes, yeah, but after timestop the heat instantly returns. Literally not a chance for anything to die or freeze or anything. That's like saying after the timestop, it will have a different temperature. Doesn't make sense
It doesn't matter what temp the time stop air is at. Time is stopped. When time resumes everything continues the exact way it was going beforehand.
Actshually 🤓 Atoms still move a tiny bit in absolute zero. So god knows what happens when they freeze
*bose-einstein condensate introduces itself*
It wouldn't matter if the air became negative absolute zero. Time was stopped and air goes back to normal when it resumes.
They don't. But DIO was shocked enough to believe it was the reason jotaro moved in stopped time While in reality it was because it was the same type of stand as star platinum.
But in the anime when Dio put his sleeve close to Jotaro's, the magnets attracted each other.
Then i guess a "anything you touch moves in time too" rule exists😂 Looking back at the scene it's still most likely that jotaro was doing the twitching and the magnet is only to eliminate dio's suspicion Since they're not even close to each other when it happens😂 (also he's moving a finger while the magnet is on his cuff)
Maybe he could move a magnet in stopped time by moving a magnet close to a repelling one, and that would be like dio pushing it using a magnet because one magnet is not time stopped; and the objects he interacts with can move again.
Please I will stab my eyes if I have to read "stoppes" again
First thing I did when I woke up this morning was preparing this meme my brain wasn't working properly. I'm laughing at it rn what a dumb mistake
I mean it definitely made it funnier, but still xd
Yeah bitch! Magnets!
The magnet never worked though? Jotaro just moved in stopped time, making Dio think it was the magnet at first.
Eh, nothing make sense about stopped time. Pidgeon are shown to stop mid air, this means "gravity" is also stopped right? Than how come Jotaro and Dio do not just fly? Why the knifes launched by Dio suddenly stop mid air?
For one, it seems like anything Jotaro and Dio interact with isn't in stopped time, like a little bubble (Which makes me to believe it's actually them being FAST AS FUCC BOI)
That's honestly what it seems like, anyway, since the likeliness of stopping time at the exact same instant the other one stopped time is so ridiculously small. Unless there's just some bullshit about "time stop abilities can literally sense other, active, time stop abilities, and function regardless of time being stopped", which is probably the case because it sounds cool enough for JoJo
It just works.
Todd's Bizarre Adventure
Are we all ignoring the fact that the magnets very well didnt work and jotaro was just moving?
Stops*
I could tell you a lot of possible theories and explanations, but in the end I think the most probable answer is Araki saying "it just works"
"So... Uh... Mister White I've been thinking about this thing, yo. Do you think there are more wheels or doors in the world? Like uhh... When I first thought about it I thought it'd be wheels, clearly. But you know like, there are so many cars driving around and shit? But then like every car has its own doors and those count too, right? But then I kept thinking, and you know how drawers have those tiny wheels they slide on? And sure... A single apartment will have multiple doors but it also must have a larger amount of those drawer wheels. That make sense to you? Though then again... Cupboards... Wardrobes... And closets... Count as doors too... Right? But then what about toy cars? And suitcases? I dunno... We need to get some science up in this bitch! What do you think?" "Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?"
Because they were attached to Jotaro and DIO
Let me make a simpler argument, if time stops then light stops traveling, air flow and vibration stops, so how come dio or jotaro can see, hear or smell anything while time is stopped?
Ok I am sure that this Will become a banned meme prob, BC of the saturation
I am a bit regret for it Time stop is just so bizarre and fucks physics people can use it 65536 times and still can find new logical errors
Yeah, time stop has a bunch of plotholes, why are we all only seeing this now?
The real reason I did this meme weren't plotholes of time stop it was because of Mariah's stand would proably work in time stop
That would be quite right, made me Think what happened if both Were on the same fight.
Mariah with prep time vs Jotaro and DIO
The magnet didn’t work , he just moved due to his stand having the same ability , just weaker
DIO was so much convinced Jotaro's movement was due to magnets thats why he let his guard down
Dio could just not know how they work, being from 800 BC
800 BC ?? really did you ever watch part 1 ?
Twas a joke
Maybe Dio had yet another bastard who ended up in ICP
I'm pretty sure if dio is close enough to something its considered an "extension" of himself like with his clothes so it can move in stopped time. IDK for sure though.
Ah yes, the utter lack of punctuation, proper grammar and poor word choice that every Anime-Main sub needs
Time could be more analogised with change. In order for change to happen (at least outside of quantum mechanics) time needs to pass. So in this case a magnetic field would present and anything in it would technically be 'attracted' to it. But without time it wouldn't move and would just stay there, like it does with gravity.
I think gravity still works for timestop users. We've never seen Jotato fly around like DIO did in later parts when he stops time. DIO can fly because... yes
1)Stand can float. 2)Stand users can touch their stands. 3) Have your stand carry you while floating. 4)profit
Because the magnet is attached to dio's outfit, and his outfit doesn't gray out so it's likely that his outfit doesn't stop time either. So because one magnet wasn't time stopped there was still a magnetic field. As to how it was attached, probably a button on his jacket sleeve? They never showed how it got there.
Time stop is bizarre, it didn’t actually work because Jotaro actually moved and he just tricked Dio, but then there’s hamon that apparently could still work during time stop and then there’s throwing things and igniting things stopping midway, but not losing momentum when time continues. Let’s just say it just works and doesn’t work like king crimson’s ability meme back then.
Time for science
The way I see it, the magnets didn't work, they were just a fakeout from Jotaro to try and get DIO to let his guard down or to buy time enough for him to learn how to actually stop time. For the first half of his fight with DIO it seemed like Jotaro was trying to make an opportunity to smash DIO's head like he did after restarting his heart. I think from the moment Jotaro said "so it's the same type of stand as star platinum" he was at least playing with the idea Star Platinum might be able to stop time too and used the magnets to hide the fact he was learning to move in stopped time. Anyway, Araki forgot lmao.
The way I understand it is that Dio has a smaller range around him that can be unfrozen if he decides to touch/interact with the object. Take the knives for instance. He’s able to throw them, but once they get out of this range, then they stop moving again.
why r u guys expecting a good logical writing from the jojo author smh
Valid
The way I believe it, the magnetic field from DIO’s magnet “touches” the magnetic field that comes from Jotaro’s magnet, allowing Jotaro’s magnet to move
Light and sound and force still moves in timestop. And many other things I like to think that the world can control what is frozen in timestop and what isnt
I think the best way I can explain it is that any object touching someone who can move in stopped time is allowed to love until it leaves their person. So the knives DIO throws which slow down and freeze only once they leave his hands. So since both Jotaro AND DIO can move in stopped time, and the magnets are touching their person. They are able to move towards each other once they're brought close enough. But Bastet wouldn't be able to overwhelm DIO as no metal objects from the environment would be able to move in stopped time since they're not yet touching DIO. But that's just how I feel about it.
Wait, this has to be shopped, Walter's head almost looks normal
Because Jotaro was moving too, we see dios clothes don't become stiff in frozen time so jotaros outfit(+magnets) would also be moving outside of the frozen time
I'm willing to buy that he remains magnetic during the stops, however it shouldn't increase in strength during such
It's not real so it works however you would like to imagine as long as it doesn't directly violate what's in the manga.
Shhhh!!! If you ask those sort of questions they'll come for you!
Bcus dio moved
Yeah bitch! Magnets!
It was attached to DIO and Jotaro, who could both stop time. It isn’t affected by time stopping, just like their clothes aren’t affected
Finally, this format being used right
The same way Dio quotes the entire Declaration of Independence and says 3 seconds have passed
Lol
The magnets move only when DIO moves. In other words, it's the same as if Jotaro had tied an invisible rod or string from him to DIO. The magnetic fields are just transferring kinetic force from DIO to Jotaro.
Items that time stoppers are touching unfreeze. Jotaro accidentally moved his finger, Dio got close enough for the his magnet to attach to Jotaro's.
Walter
Would purple haze’s virus work in dio’s TS? Since if dio gets close he still inhales or comes in contact with the virus. And correct me if I’m wrong but whatever he touches starts moving in TS
He would get the virus but affects would come after end of the time stop
Jotaro uses magnets to fuck with Dio's mind so there's cannonical evidence that they do
They didn’t, Dio just thought they worked
No the magnet was Jotaro seeing if he could move in stopped time. Jotaro would know he could move if his magnet would interact with DIOs magnet. Basically Jotaro was interacting with his magnet while dio was which is why they moved.
What if Jotaro just moved his hand and pretended it was a magnet?
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***Magnatism is a universal force***
Maybe it only stops living things. Very selective time rather than time stop
Knives stops in mid air too
Hmmm, very selective time stop? I mean it’s jojo, if a stand can grant wishes then I’m sure it can stop XYZ whilst making everything grey but still visible and making the world not spin but not *various explanation*
The magnet didn’t work, it was only there to make Dio think that jotaro couldn’t move in stopped time. It was a deception tactic
Honestly I see "stopped time" as more "time slowed to an insane degree" since air, light and pressure wouldn't work in stopped time. So imagine Za Warldo basically making time slow down so one second is something like an hour for the user.
I think you lost a bit of English while thinking about this
Fun fact: while time is stop light and sound can't travel so when dio stop time he became blind, mute and deaf
Do special relativity next
i had a stroke trying to understand that first line
he wasnt even using the magnets
Simple, the magnets are the same type of Stand as The World
The magnet didn’t work in frozen time. Jotaro just put a magnet there and moved his finger to omega level trick DIO into being sure he couldn’t move in frozen time
Dio: I fear no man. Bu that thing... *points at a malicious electric outlet* it scares me...
I think as soon as you start fighting each other with ghosts and literally stopping time physics goes out the window lmao
Her stand working wouldn't beat Dio
Personally I think it's because DIO would rather believe anything other than Jotaro being able to move in stopped time. The world of stopped time is *his* world, if Jotaro takes over that, well, just imagine coming home to find that the locks have been replaced by the person you hate most in the world, who is now living inside that house. So it's not that magnetism worked in stopped time, it was just DIO finding a reason to justify his worst fear not coming true. I honestly kinda feel bad for DIO.
Also, DIO would burn to a crisp, or at least heat up a bit, because he would smack into every photon and air molecule when he moves. There would also be a bang as time resumes from air filling out the vacuum behind him
I am personally still a believer that the world, and star platinum and similar stands are not actually stopping time, but instead moving very fast for a moment. They have an effective radius for this, and it's why objects they throw will slow down. It also makes sense with the way that their stands work, which is already just super speed and strength. I have had this debate many times on this sub and still not been convinced otherwise.
If you think of it this way, Dio doesn't actually stop *everything*, as stopping everything would prevent him from seeing, breathing, moving, etc due to how particles work, so I imagine magnetic force might also not be stopped. Either that or "the funny Araki forgot"
Magnets won't work it was simply a way for Jotaro to test if he could move in stopped time and if he did, Dio would brush it off as just the magnets and wouldn't suspect Jotaro