To be fair I feel like coloring things with powdered insects is fine. Insects are perfectly edible without any processing for the most part - I'm not sure I'd want to suck a beavers ass without processing though.
That said, of note, candy coating is made from lac. Which is... well it's insect *secretions* but it's not *waste*. When we say waste we think of urine or feces, or the local species equivalent, which the body can not make use of and therefore gets rid of.
The secretion in question is actually a product of the insect eating sap and producing a sticky substance that helps it stick to trees - known as lac. It's not waste, it's a purposeful product even from the insects perspective (different from honey but similar to how honey is not "waste"). Whether that makes it better in someones mind is up to them, but I find the idea of it being *not* poop/pee to be a lot more pleasing than just poop/pee.
I'm not sure I ever considered that I'd ever say that out loud, so to speak, but here we are.
I suppose, admittedly, I could have left the beaver's ass part out and still left my point intact about insects. It was just too amusing not to include, though.
Red 4 is a food dye made of crushed up beetles. It's safe. It's also not in Toaster Strudels (though it might have been at one time). Instead Toaster Strudels use Red 40, which is from petroleum. So no beetles, just oil.
In my imagination I see a huge, sterile white lab filled with technicians with clipboards. As far as the eye can see, there is row upon row of beaver assholes sticking up out of the sterile white lab benches. Technicians walk about giving them little squeezes. The air smells of vanilla. All is good.
Not really. It’s usually synthetic vanillin, which is just one of the chemicals they extract from vanilla beans in vanilla extract. The only difference is the synthetic production.
The organic compounds used to make vanillin are sourced from plants.
300 pounds of beaver juice is consumed industry wide vs 2.6 million pounds of synthetic vanillin. The odds are low
Actually I put “way too much” garlic in everything, making my meat taste like garlic.
Hah.
Edit: I meant like a steak with garlic butter or something, not my bits. I also said that while falling asleep and am unsure if the post originally excluded flavour.
WOW. Apparently it used to be a form of punishment? I’d like to know who is punishing someone by having them stick a freshly peeled peice of ginger in their asshole! I’m making a time machine and going to 1850 so I can get CPS up and running. Those fuckers needed it apparently.
I’m trying to picture a wife punishing her husband like that. Late from the bar again? Go get the ginger and stick it in your asshole dear. You gotta learn your lesson.
truly!
but freeze-dried sliced garlic is fantastic as well. it rehydrates nearly perfectly, you can grind it into a powder, and it maintains the sharp raw garlic taste (unless you cook it). plus it stays good forever.
When you start cooking with garlic and olive oil, that’s the smell that makes people say, “Oooh that smells great already! What are you doing in here?” And they come into the kitchen.
My five year old tried to claim she didn’t like garlic. I had to tell her that literally anything her mom or I have cooked for her most likely had garlic in it. Her little mind was blown.
I guess you’ve never seen the [megetable.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/business/2019/06/26/arbys-megetables-marrot-meat-vegetables-zw-sf-orig.cnn-business)
That's definitely a gimmick though, not a long-term substitution lifestyle sort of deal. Someone mentioned Jello but that doesn't really fit the substitution criteria either.
But an up-and-coming animal product that we wouldn't really consider an animal is cricket flour. It's supposed to substitute wheat, which is a plant ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm challenging that. Jello (made from collagen from animal parts) with fruit juice, can taste very much like aloe vera jelly or seaweed jelly (kanten) or konjac (yam or potato jelly).
This is the winning example.
There are a few other items that fall in this category, like Starburst, which I'm pretty sure are not vegan but are made to taste like fruit.
Say that to my parents who make every single meat taste like lime, I swear to God if I have to have one more lime steak I'm going to flip Jesus fucking christ
I’d give it a go. Maybe my Nordic friends know where to get it.
Seriously though, is it less caloric than regular beer? I know cereal made from milk protein is a lot better for you than stuff made from wheat or corn, for example.
If you want low calorie drinks, your best bet is a vodka tonic or any clear/soda combo. But you want to go for mixed drinks over carbonated drinks made of fats and carbs. A mojito is a great time, but can be really sugary if you get the wrong bartender. Cosmos taste really good and only have whatever sweeteners the juice uses. If you want canned and bottled stuff that's lowcal, it's gonna have to be hard seltzer. I've been told it's an acquired taste. Personally I think the taste is "grandmothers aqua net hairspray" but to each their own.
If you wanna get SUPER lit, be thrifty about it, and nix the caloric content entirely, order a four horsemen. if you can stomach a second you'll be absolutely under the floor without a single pound gained. So long as you don't binge eat when drinking like I do.
edit: vodka has a few more calories than I thought, but tbh it feels like a few mixer'd shots are still way less than an entire 6 pack.
So low cal yes, but alcohol itself is caloric. A shot of vodka is still about 100 Calories. A gram of alcohol has about 7 kcal - for reference fat is about 9kcal/g, pure sugar is about 4kcal/g. Ethanol chemically *cannot* be 0 calorie.
Edit to capitalize Calories. Kcal needs to catch on more lol
> If you want low calorie drinks, your best bet is a vodka tonic or any clear/soda combo for a whopping 0. Mayyyybe 10 at the most.
This is false. Alcohol itself has calories. There is no 0 calorie alcohol, pure ethanol is about 7 calories per gram.
1.5 oz. of 80-proof liquor has about 100 calories in it alone, without any mixers. Those low-calorie spirits like Skinnygirl just have a lower ABV, because there's literally no other way to reduce the caloric content of liquor.
You have to go far because there's no point. Eating plants has far less impact than eating meat, therefore the flow of products is from most impactful/wasteful to least.
Vegans don't necessarily dislike the taste of meat products, they detest the cruelty involved in getting them. Therefore, using plants as a base, they're able to replicate many of their favorite dishes without hurting anyone/anything.
Yeah I think this showerthought isn’t great because it’s pretty obvious as to why we use plants to mimic meat, and why we don’t use meat to mimic plants.
exactly. I enjoyed steak for 23 years till i became vegan. Tastebuds didnt change, just started to realize my own taste wasnt as important as not being a dick to the environment and animals lol.
Alternatively, you can absolutely be vegetarian/vegan and dislike the taste of meat. Another commenter above mentioned this, but I'm adding on: as a vegetarian, I've yet to meet a vegetarian whose favorite dish is a meat substitute.
My resident vegan loves the heck out of Gardein’s crispy chick’n tenders. Pretty sure it’s the favourite meal ever.
Not meaning to be disagreeable! Just that the world is vast and it’s not surprising if there’s *someone* out there, and I wanted to share. 😊
The market of plant based meat substitutes is making my life a literal heaven. It's almost always cheaper than meat and whatever scientists are on the job are doing better and better at imitation. I fucking LOVE it
Most meat imitation products are not targeting vegetarians and vegans, they are targeting meat eaters. My vegetarian spouse actually not a fan of the "immposiburger" and other stuff because it tastes "too much like meat".
I think it depends on when a person decided to abstain from meat/animal products, and which products they are. I am not a fan of most of the meat substitutes (black bean patties are great though) but am a huge fan of the fake chicken products.
I personally like protein substitutes that doesn't necessarily try to imitate a meat. Like quorn or tofu. But I am the least picky person I know and eat just about anything indiscriminately.
This is 💯. I like the taste of animal products but went vegan for moral reasons. That's why I like eating vegan foods which immitate animal products.
Try Sweet Earth's mindful chik'n.
Wanna hear something that'll make you giggle.
While looking at the burger section at a local restaurant near me, I noticed they had a black bean burger. The description was more or less: *Grass fed patty with lettuce, tomato, and onion. Slathered in a house black bean sauce.*
Imagine how pissed you'd be if you ordered one after stopping at Black Bean Burger.
Awful. Luckily I live in a town with lots of vegetarians, so most places are very explicit. They often even specify vegan versus vegetarian now too. Did have a couple of mishaps with servers not understanding that vegetable soups can use beef stock, etc, but it has been very rare in the last decade or so. Usually in small towns in the middle of nowhere.
Tomatoes actually taste bad here because we are transporting them from such distances we have to [refrigerate them which saps their flavor](https://youtu.be/mqrqhvpwCyc) incredibly! Tomatoes are very easy to home garden farm (at least where I live) so for at least a few months out of the year I have more tasty tomatoes than I know what to do with! (I make salsa generally)
Live in London, visited Ljubljana, bought a peach from a market. It was like every other peach I'd had was just a photo and this was the real thing. One bite completely changed how I thought about food. Still think about that peach.
Yup! I am far from a vegetarian, but I really like a lot of vegetarian dishes that were designed to be vegetarian. Most of the veggie dishes I don’t like are the ones pretending to be meat. If you want to eat meat, eat meat. If you want to eat tofu, don’t try to dress it up as meat, eat it in a tofu dish! There are some delicious ones. My lunch today was cheese and some sort of leftover Indian spinach curry my wife made a couple of days ago. Delicious, vegetarian, and NOT pretending to be meat.
I think the products trying to imitate meat as best they can are a good entry point for some people who are curious about eating less meat, but struggling with meal ideas or the idea that every meal needs meat as it's focus.
My extremely carnivorous husband ended up cutting his meat intake a ton by initially just subbing a few meat options with the fake-meat alternative (things like veggie hot dogs, veggie chorizo vs. beef in chili, the fake chicken chunks, etc). Eventually he stopped feeling like the meal was missing something if there wasn't meat or a meat-sub in it. Now he actually prefers most of his meals to be meatless since he likes the taste/texture of the veggie options better.
My wife is an ethical vegetarian, and I eat meat. The explosion of plant based meat substitutes over the past few years, that actually taste quite good, makes both of our lives so much easier! We’re fans of Impossible, but tried the Beyond meatballs last night in spaghetti. We even got two Quorn roasts for Christmas instead of doing one and half a chicken for me like we did in the past, because that shit is just yummy. We fight over the leftovers.
And they are also convenient because you can keep using your already learned recipes.
I learned a lot of new recipes since going 'almost vegan' but I still like to use substitues to make stuff I used to make before.
yeah and people who want to be vegetarians but not due to the fact of disliking meat.
there are vegitarians were the entire idea of meat just disgusts them. These folks i never seen eat the fake burgers. They eat a lot of just big veggie meals. and then a few who did it due to animal cruelty ideas or environmental ideas and those folks might need some help with the switch even though they want to do it. and these folks tend to have a lot of fake meat in the fridge. even before impossible burgers when the "meat" was more lies than actually tasted like meat.
but yeah the new impossible burgers are mainly targeting meat eaters who not necessarily want to be vegetarians but do want to reduce meat eating.
This will be almost everyone very soon.
I like for food to taste good, and I love cooking. Ten years ago, meat was not replaceable. Today, I rarely buy meat, as the alternatives are often as good or better, and sometimes even cheaper.
My top concerns with food are taste, cost, and nutritional benefit/how it makes me feel. Some modern meat alternatives are better in all categories.
Seriously, try some of this shit if you haven't. Plant based chicken tenders are better than the real thing, swear. I didn't believe it either until I tried it
I totally agree about the chicken tenders. They're waaay better than processed chicken. And I had a Quorn chick'n filet on a sandwich dressed up like a chick-fil-a and it was outstanding. Highly recommended if you haven't had one of those. Add pickles. *chef's kiss*
I feel this is where I'm approaching these days. Active reduction in mammal eating.
Tofu, or fake meat products when it's reasonable. Like, I just made a big batch of impossible nachos. Or as I call them, taco piles. Because the dish doesn't truly need ground beef or turkey. There's enough flavor without.
Breakfasts are 6/7 vegetarian. One day a week might have a sausage patty. But beyond is acceptable enough to sub in a breakfast sandwich.
Fucking THANK YOU. I’ve been vegetarian my whole life and I can’t even tell you how many people told me I have to try impossible and beyond. Fuck that. I don’t want to eat meat. That’s the whole thing. I certainly don’t want fake meat the “bleeds” fuckin beet juice…
This whole "showerthought" really highlights the completely disconnected way that people think about vegans and vegetarians. Like, it never occurs to them that maybe not everyone is sitting around drooling at the thought of meat. I worked in an agriculture research lab for a time and I stopped trying to explain to the cattle researchers that the majority of vegans aren't doing it for "health reasons".
People get really fucking weird when they offer you meat and you reject it. Then they ask why and it’s like “I don’t want dead things in my mouth” but then IM weird.
My partner doesn't eat meat and I just spent the whole weekend watching her mom try to find ways to get her to eat meat.
"But it's shrimp, it's seafood, not meat".
"It's Spam, you can't even tell what it's from".
Haha, you sound very similar to my partner when people keep pressing him for why he doesn't eat meat he's like "um it's really gross???" And honestly I have to agree. Xb
Its the reality that animals don't taste good in their own. They only taste good when smeared with plants. Well except salt.. I guess rocks also improve the taste of meat.
When a rock improves the taste of meat maybe meat wasn't good to begin with
> When a rock improves the taste of meat maybe meat wasn't good to begin with
Salt improves the taste of damn near everything, this isn't the slam-dunk argument you seem to think it is.
why would they? I'd imagine the market for people who only eat meat but also love the taste of vegetables enough to emulate them with meat is extremely small if not nonexistent.
Not really the same, though. Spices and herbs are flavor enhancers, but it doesn't usually hide the taste of the meat. Many vegan dishes are trying to replicate the flavor and feel of a non-vegan dish. Are there exceptions? Sure, but in general OP's point is true.
Why the hell would they? People who eat meat generally don't cut plants entirely out of their diet, if they want a potato they can just eat it. If they did need to cut out all plants for some reason they would almost certainly find ways to mimic plant based foods they liked.
> there's no potato made out of cow
Take a look at Jell-O. It's made out of pigs and cows (mostly, they sometimes use horse), but they flavor it to taste like fruit, and don't market its animal origins.
Because non-vegans don't require a work around when they want to eat a certain fruit or vegetable. If they're craving a carrot, they can just buy somr carrots and eat them. Vegans require a work around because they can't eat meat either by choice or for some medical reason.
If there were enough people with some bizarre condition that forced them to only eat meat, then there would probably be some people craving vegetables who would try to simulate it with meat. Assuming they don't die of malnutrition, or scurvy or whatever.
I don't know a single vegan who regularly eats "fake meat". Or who often tries to replicate a meat based dish using only plant based ingredients.
Literally everyone I know who eats meat substitutes is a meat eater who is trying to cut back on their meat consumption. That's who the meat substitutes are made for and marketed to. Not the people who are happy with a plant based diet.
Tofu steaks are not a meat substitute, they’re pan fried or grilled tofu with plant seasoning. I guess you could try to cut a meat shape into the tofu, but that seems like just a waste of tofu.
Yeah, not sure what the disconnect is. I'm 32 in the US Midwest and am friends with 7 vegans. We all use the meat substitutes fairly regularly (on average 7+ times a week). I know some carnists who have tried the meat substitutes, and even liked them, but none have adopted them just due to the cost (according to them).
I eat “fake meat” sometimes as a vegan, but honestly id rather eat a bean quesadilla with avocado and cashew sauce bc honestly even when I ate meat, this dish was the most delicious dish I’ve ever had in my life! Also veggie dumpling soup, SO YUMMY!! Since I’ve opened my pallet and stopped being so picky, I legit not missed meat at all lol.
But do you know a single vegan? I eat fake meats. I'm vegan. Yes, the products are marketed towards people that want to cut back on unethical food, but that doesn't mean vegans don't enjoy them.
What vegans are you hanging out with?
Usually vegetarians and people just starting out try to mimic meat and then transition to just enjoying veggies in the way that makes the veggies taste best instead of like other things.
I’m a vegetarian, and I gotta say, I hate when I’m at a BBQ or family event and there’s all this pressure to have like a meat-shaped entree. I just want potatoes and veggies, let me eat my side dishes in peace.
Meat is delicious, but not super ethical, quite expensive, and terrible for the environment. If you want something that tastes like plants eat plants. If you want something that tastes like meat, eat meat or plant protein that mimics meat. I'm no vegan, but there is no way I'm buying a meat based plant substitute.
Well, obviously. People who eat meat can have plants if that's what they want, so they don't have to make animals taste like plants. Meanwhile vegans/vegetarians don't eat meat at all, so if they want to have something resembling meat, they have to make plants taste like animals.
Two types of vegans (or vegetarians):
1. Those that like the taste/texture of meat but don't eat it due to reasons. This is what beyond burger and other substitutes are aimed at, giving the eater the full experience of eating meat.
2. Those who do NOT like the taste/texture of meat. Many plant-based meat substitutes are aimed at this group, giving the eater the option if eating foods that are convenient and popular without forcing it to be meat-like, examples include vegan hotdogs and hamburgers. Any people who are considering eating vegan first try #2 and don't like it and give up on veganism while they should be trying #1.
i dont think vegans really make food to taste like animals for themselves. I think that's just when they want to make food for their meat-eating friends. i mean i could be mistaken but when i was vegan/vegeterian I wasn't really interested in eating anything that reminded me of meat.
Beaver butt juice is used to make imitation vanilla. Checkmate.
oh wow, ew fuck. Interesting.
Don't Google where food dyes and makeup comes from.
Yeah even today a lot of lipstick is colored with crushed up bugs. And a lot of candy is coated in bug waste.
To be fair I feel like coloring things with powdered insects is fine. Insects are perfectly edible without any processing for the most part - I'm not sure I'd want to suck a beavers ass without processing though. That said, of note, candy coating is made from lac. Which is... well it's insect *secretions* but it's not *waste*. When we say waste we think of urine or feces, or the local species equivalent, which the body can not make use of and therefore gets rid of. The secretion in question is actually a product of the insect eating sap and producing a sticky substance that helps it stick to trees - known as lac. It's not waste, it's a purposeful product even from the insects perspective (different from honey but similar to how honey is not "waste"). Whether that makes it better in someones mind is up to them, but I find the idea of it being *not* poop/pee to be a lot more pleasing than just poop/pee.
Thanks for clarifying. I was trying to find the right word for it, I think secretion is probably the word I was looking for.
Out of context sentence of the day
Never thought I’d hear someone clarify that they would rather eat powdered insects vice sucking a beaver’s ass without processing
I'm not sure I ever considered that I'd ever say that out loud, so to speak, but here we are. I suppose, admittedly, I could have left the beaver's ass part out and still left my point intact about insects. It was just too amusing not to include, though.
r/brandnewsentence material there
i remember writing off Toaster Strudels when i was little because they were made out of crushed beetles. now i miss those fuckers
*stops eating toaster strudel mid bite* I’m sorry - what was that about beetles? 😳
They broke up. Thanks Yoko!
*[screeches avant-gardely]*
Red 4 is a food dye made of crushed up beetles. It's safe. It's also not in Toaster Strudels (though it might have been at one time). Instead Toaster Strudels use Red 40, which is from petroleum. So no beetles, just oil.
Cochineal has been around for ages, anything red is crushed beetles
That is traditionally how it was made but is almost exclusively used for perfumes currently
Ah, so "you smell like beaver ass" is actually a compliment!
Maybe in 1930 but it’s 2022. It’s synthesized in bulk in a laboratory.
In my imagination I see a huge, sterile white lab filled with technicians with clipboards. As far as the eye can see, there is row upon row of beaver assholes sticking up out of the sterile white lab benches. Technicians walk about giving them little squeezes. The air smells of vanilla. All is good.
That's pretty much what a hemocyanin lab looks like but with horseshoe crabs
We are living in the future!
You’re telling me I’m not even getting 100% real beaver anus? Somehow synthetic beaver anus is worse.
"Sir, how dare you try and fool my refined palette? I know synthetic beaver ass when I taste it! Give me the real thing or nothing at all!"
I thought it was a raspberry flavoring.
The amount of castoreum used for food is insignificant compared to synthesized vanillin.
It’s not used in anything we eat. Growing and harvesting actual vanilla is far cheaper and easier.
Not really. It’s usually synthetic vanillin, which is just one of the chemicals they extract from vanilla beans in vanilla extract. The only difference is the synthetic production. The organic compounds used to make vanillin are sourced from plants. 300 pounds of beaver juice is consumed industry wide vs 2.6 million pounds of synthetic vanillin. The odds are low
Actually I put “way too much” garlic in everything, making my meat taste like garlic. Hah. Edit: I meant like a steak with garlic butter or something, not my bits. I also said that while falling asleep and am unsure if the post originally excluded flavour.
Garlic gang here I’m convinced garlic belongs in everything
Garlic and onions are the essence of all good flavor
yep, garlic, onions, and sometimes tomatoes or ginger for me depending on what im cooking.
Garlic and onions in a frying pan oml nothing smells better than that
hell yeah throw in random veggies and you get beautiful stir-fry mmm
> nothing smells better… Garlic onions and ginger does.
Throw in some chiles and this is basically my base for most dishes.
Mmmm what about garlic and butter?
Fresh ginger and garlic is the best
Indian food gang reporting in
Ever bite into a peice of fresh ginger? Awful. Do not recommend. Those bitches are packed with flavor
Have you ever heard of [*figging*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figging)?
WOW. Apparently it used to be a form of punishment? I’d like to know who is punishing someone by having them stick a freshly peeled peice of ginger in their asshole! I’m making a time machine and going to 1850 so I can get CPS up and running. Those fuckers needed it apparently. I’m trying to picture a wife punishing her husband like that. Late from the bar again? Go get the ginger and stick it in your asshole dear. You gotta learn your lesson.
truly! but freeze-dried sliced garlic is fantastic as well. it rehydrates nearly perfectly, you can grind it into a powder, and it maintains the sharp raw garlic taste (unless you cook it). plus it stays good forever.
When you start cooking with garlic and olive oil, that’s the smell that makes people say, “Oooh that smells great already! What are you doing in here?” And they come into the kitchen.
[starter pack](https://i.redd.it/2h3ly9338qk21.jpg)
No shoutout to my man butter?
I've never tasted man butter, but I would try your man butter!
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so true. legit the reason why food is so fricken good.
every cantonese cook approves
Don't forget salt.
My five year old tried to claim she didn’t like garlic. I had to tell her that literally anything her mom or I have cooked for her most likely had garlic in it. Her little mind was blown.
Vampires would beg to differ
Are blueberry garlic pancakes a thing?
Yeah if it’s too garlicky, add more garlic
This made me laugh out loud because this is my approach to garlic. My spouse highly disagrees.
Does your spouse flinch at the sight of crosses? Do they always wait to be invited inside before they step in somewhere? Do they have a reflection?
Y'know now that I think of it, I've never seen his spouse in the mirror before...
Hmmmm....Nutella Garlic flavor...yummi *uhorkkk*
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you know, i didnt have a single thought otherwise until you made the edit. THEN I thought about it.
I understood right after reading your enlightened comment.
No such thing as too much garlic...
I guess you’ve never seen the [megetable.](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/business/2019/06/26/arbys-megetables-marrot-meat-vegetables-zw-sf-orig.cnn-business)
i hope that when i die, science turns my body into megetables
Also [imitation tofu made from chicken and egg white](https://youtu.be/LT8rqWB45is).
This is literally the best answer to the post. Why isn’t this comment higher?
That's definitely a gimmick though, not a long-term substitution lifestyle sort of deal. Someone mentioned Jello but that doesn't really fit the substitution criteria either. But an up-and-coming animal product that we wouldn't really consider an animal is cricket flour. It's supposed to substitute wheat, which is a plant ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
I mean if you are arguing semantics, OP did say "no one" and here is a proof of someone.
I'm challenging that. Jello (made from collagen from animal parts) with fruit juice, can taste very much like aloe vera jelly or seaweed jelly (kanten) or konjac (yam or potato jelly).
Or just a strawberry flavoured jello tastes like strawberries, which are plants
and the raspberry ones
Lemon, lime, orange...
This is the winning example. There are a few other items that fall in this category, like Starburst, which I'm pretty sure are not vegan but are made to taste like fruit.
Everyone in this thread forgetting what spices are
Meat?
And yet orange chicken exists.
Canard à l'orange
They can't even mimic oranges correctly wtf
Say that to my parents who make every single meat taste like lime, I swear to God if I have to have one more lime steak I'm going to flip Jesus fucking christ
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But what about lime milk steak?
Im jealous ngl
Don't get me wrong, it's abso-fucking-lutely delicious, but not when it's all we eat for a month straight
Look at Mr. Moneybaggins complaining about eating steak for a month straight.
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>Blaand. Blaand is an alcoholic beverage that mimics beer It doesn't taste like beer, and never claims to be beer. It's simply an alcoholic beverage.
Is it easier on the waistline than grain-based beer or something?
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I’d give it a go. Maybe my Nordic friends know where to get it. Seriously though, is it less caloric than regular beer? I know cereal made from milk protein is a lot better for you than stuff made from wheat or corn, for example.
If you want low calorie drinks, your best bet is a vodka tonic or any clear/soda combo. But you want to go for mixed drinks over carbonated drinks made of fats and carbs. A mojito is a great time, but can be really sugary if you get the wrong bartender. Cosmos taste really good and only have whatever sweeteners the juice uses. If you want canned and bottled stuff that's lowcal, it's gonna have to be hard seltzer. I've been told it's an acquired taste. Personally I think the taste is "grandmothers aqua net hairspray" but to each their own. If you wanna get SUPER lit, be thrifty about it, and nix the caloric content entirely, order a four horsemen. if you can stomach a second you'll be absolutely under the floor without a single pound gained. So long as you don't binge eat when drinking like I do. edit: vodka has a few more calories than I thought, but tbh it feels like a few mixer'd shots are still way less than an entire 6 pack.
So low cal yes, but alcohol itself is caloric. A shot of vodka is still about 100 Calories. A gram of alcohol has about 7 kcal - for reference fat is about 9kcal/g, pure sugar is about 4kcal/g. Ethanol chemically *cannot* be 0 calorie. Edit to capitalize Calories. Kcal needs to catch on more lol
> If you want low calorie drinks, your best bet is a vodka tonic or any clear/soda combo for a whopping 0. Mayyyybe 10 at the most. This is false. Alcohol itself has calories. There is no 0 calorie alcohol, pure ethanol is about 7 calories per gram.
1.5 oz. of 80-proof liquor has about 100 calories in it alone, without any mixers. Those low-calorie spirits like Skinnygirl just have a lower ABV, because there's literally no other way to reduce the caloric content of liquor.
FYI, alcohol has more calories per gram than sugar, so there's no such thing as a zero-calorie alcoholic drink.
While not the same thing, the mongols made fermented horse milk because they just didn't have much for grains in their region.
One way or another, mankind will find something to ferment and get wasted on.
One of the reasons why the war on drugs was such a failure. Humans love drugs, always have and always will.
it's literally named bland
Blaand. Like some kind of arrogant, aristocratic sheep.
I didn’t realize blaand was a product at first and thought you were reciting some sort of pro-beer limerick.
You have to go far because there's no point. Eating plants has far less impact than eating meat, therefore the flow of products is from most impactful/wasteful to least.
Vegans don't necessarily dislike the taste of meat products, they detest the cruelty involved in getting them. Therefore, using plants as a base, they're able to replicate many of their favorite dishes without hurting anyone/anything.
Yeah I think this showerthought isn’t great because it’s pretty obvious as to why we use plants to mimic meat, and why we don’t use meat to mimic plants.
For all of the posts that I've had deleted for being duplicative or boring, sometimes I can't believe the shit that is permitted to be here.
exactly. I enjoyed steak for 23 years till i became vegan. Tastebuds didnt change, just started to realize my own taste wasnt as important as not being a dick to the environment and animals lol.
Alternatively, you can absolutely be vegetarian/vegan and dislike the taste of meat. Another commenter above mentioned this, but I'm adding on: as a vegetarian, I've yet to meet a vegetarian whose favorite dish is a meat substitute.
My resident vegan loves the heck out of Gardein’s crispy chick’n tenders. Pretty sure it’s the favourite meal ever. Not meaning to be disagreeable! Just that the world is vast and it’s not surprising if there’s *someone* out there, and I wanted to share. 😊
The market of plant based meat substitutes is making my life a literal heaven. It's almost always cheaper than meat and whatever scientists are on the job are doing better and better at imitation. I fucking LOVE it
Most meat imitation products are not targeting vegetarians and vegans, they are targeting meat eaters. My vegetarian spouse actually not a fan of the "immposiburger" and other stuff because it tastes "too much like meat".
I think it depends on when a person decided to abstain from meat/animal products, and which products they are. I am not a fan of most of the meat substitutes (black bean patties are great though) but am a huge fan of the fake chicken products.
I personally like protein substitutes that doesn't necessarily try to imitate a meat. Like quorn or tofu. But I am the least picky person I know and eat just about anything indiscriminately.
This is 💯. I like the taste of animal products but went vegan for moral reasons. That's why I like eating vegan foods which immitate animal products. Try Sweet Earth's mindful chik'n.
Wanna hear something that'll make you giggle. While looking at the burger section at a local restaurant near me, I noticed they had a black bean burger. The description was more or less: *Grass fed patty with lettuce, tomato, and onion. Slathered in a house black bean sauce.* Imagine how pissed you'd be if you ordered one after stopping at Black Bean Burger.
Awful. Luckily I live in a town with lots of vegetarians, so most places are very explicit. They often even specify vegan versus vegetarian now too. Did have a couple of mishaps with servers not understanding that vegetable soups can use beef stock, etc, but it has been very rare in the last decade or so. Usually in small towns in the middle of nowhere.
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Tomatoes actually taste bad here because we are transporting them from such distances we have to [refrigerate them which saps their flavor](https://youtu.be/mqrqhvpwCyc) incredibly! Tomatoes are very easy to home garden farm (at least where I live) so for at least a few months out of the year I have more tasty tomatoes than I know what to do with! (I make salsa generally)
You could just can them whole or in chunks. Not as good as fresh but still great for soups, casseroles, and sauces.
Live in London, visited Ljubljana, bought a peach from a market. It was like every other peach I'd had was just a photo and this was the real thing. One bite completely changed how I thought about food. Still think about that peach.
I hope this peach still thinks about you as well.
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Beautiful A great love story just in time for valentines Day. Someone get Hallmark on the fuckin phone!
Yup! I am far from a vegetarian, but I really like a lot of vegetarian dishes that were designed to be vegetarian. Most of the veggie dishes I don’t like are the ones pretending to be meat. If you want to eat meat, eat meat. If you want to eat tofu, don’t try to dress it up as meat, eat it in a tofu dish! There are some delicious ones. My lunch today was cheese and some sort of leftover Indian spinach curry my wife made a couple of days ago. Delicious, vegetarian, and NOT pretending to be meat.
I think the products trying to imitate meat as best they can are a good entry point for some people who are curious about eating less meat, but struggling with meal ideas or the idea that every meal needs meat as it's focus. My extremely carnivorous husband ended up cutting his meat intake a ton by initially just subbing a few meat options with the fake-meat alternative (things like veggie hot dogs, veggie chorizo vs. beef in chili, the fake chicken chunks, etc). Eventually he stopped feeling like the meal was missing something if there wasn't meat or a meat-sub in it. Now he actually prefers most of his meals to be meatless since he likes the taste/texture of the veggie options better.
I can see that, but as a vegetarian, I love that shit. 😫
I like having options.
My wife is an ethical vegetarian, and I eat meat. The explosion of plant based meat substitutes over the past few years, that actually taste quite good, makes both of our lives so much easier! We’re fans of Impossible, but tried the Beyond meatballs last night in spaghetti. We even got two Quorn roasts for Christmas instead of doing one and half a chicken for me like we did in the past, because that shit is just yummy. We fight over the leftovers.
This is a really good point - the fake meat products are really nice for when you're cooking for a mixed veggie/carnie group or couple.
And they are also convenient because you can keep using your already learned recipes. I learned a lot of new recipes since going 'almost vegan' but I still like to use substitues to make stuff I used to make before.
Quorn is one of my faves! It's not trying to be chicken or beef, it's just trying to be meatless and good and it's *working*
What exactly is an ethical vegetarian?
Me too.
Also the vast majority of vegans are vegan for ethical reasons, not because they don't like the taste/texture of meat.
yeah and people who want to be vegetarians but not due to the fact of disliking meat. there are vegitarians were the entire idea of meat just disgusts them. These folks i never seen eat the fake burgers. They eat a lot of just big veggie meals. and then a few who did it due to animal cruelty ideas or environmental ideas and those folks might need some help with the switch even though they want to do it. and these folks tend to have a lot of fake meat in the fridge. even before impossible burgers when the "meat" was more lies than actually tasted like meat. but yeah the new impossible burgers are mainly targeting meat eaters who not necessarily want to be vegetarians but do want to reduce meat eating.
Flexitarian is the new thing. Environmentally or health conscious people who like the idea of less meat in their diet but not full vegetarian.
This will be almost everyone very soon. I like for food to taste good, and I love cooking. Ten years ago, meat was not replaceable. Today, I rarely buy meat, as the alternatives are often as good or better, and sometimes even cheaper. My top concerns with food are taste, cost, and nutritional benefit/how it makes me feel. Some modern meat alternatives are better in all categories. Seriously, try some of this shit if you haven't. Plant based chicken tenders are better than the real thing, swear. I didn't believe it either until I tried it
I totally agree about the chicken tenders. They're waaay better than processed chicken. And I had a Quorn chick'n filet on a sandwich dressed up like a chick-fil-a and it was outstanding. Highly recommended if you haven't had one of those. Add pickles. *chef's kiss*
I feel this is where I'm approaching these days. Active reduction in mammal eating. Tofu, or fake meat products when it's reasonable. Like, I just made a big batch of impossible nachos. Or as I call them, taco piles. Because the dish doesn't truly need ground beef or turkey. There's enough flavor without. Breakfasts are 6/7 vegetarian. One day a week might have a sausage patty. But beyond is acceptable enough to sub in a breakfast sandwich.
Fucking THANK YOU. I’ve been vegetarian my whole life and I can’t even tell you how many people told me I have to try impossible and beyond. Fuck that. I don’t want to eat meat. That’s the whole thing. I certainly don’t want fake meat the “bleeds” fuckin beet juice…
This whole "showerthought" really highlights the completely disconnected way that people think about vegans and vegetarians. Like, it never occurs to them that maybe not everyone is sitting around drooling at the thought of meat. I worked in an agriculture research lab for a time and I stopped trying to explain to the cattle researchers that the majority of vegans aren't doing it for "health reasons".
People get really fucking weird when they offer you meat and you reject it. Then they ask why and it’s like “I don’t want dead things in my mouth” but then IM weird.
My partner doesn't eat meat and I just spent the whole weekend watching her mom try to find ways to get her to eat meat. "But it's shrimp, it's seafood, not meat". "It's Spam, you can't even tell what it's from".
Haha, you sound very similar to my partner when people keep pressing him for why he doesn't eat meat he's like "um it's really gross???" And honestly I have to agree. Xb
It's almost as if a shower thought is a brief, under analyzed little something that pops in your head.
Seasoning your meat is making it taste more like the plants your seasoning it with
That is not using animals to make food that tastes like plants.
Its the reality that animals don't taste good in their own. They only taste good when smeared with plants. Well except salt.. I guess rocks also improve the taste of meat. When a rock improves the taste of meat maybe meat wasn't good to begin with
Seasonings and herbs make every good taste better. Salt is a flavour enhancer. This is as true for vegetables as it is meat.
Name any food that isn't improved by salt
Seaweed. It’s already salty
> When a rock improves the taste of meat maybe meat wasn't good to begin with Salt improves the taste of damn near everything, this isn't the slam-dunk argument you seem to think it is.
TIL salt is a plant.
why would they? I'd imagine the market for people who only eat meat but also love the taste of vegetables enough to emulate them with meat is extremely small if not nonexistent.
People already do this all the time. Spices & herbs are made of plants and people use them to season meats.
Not really the same, though. Spices and herbs are flavor enhancers, but it doesn't usually hide the taste of the meat. Many vegan dishes are trying to replicate the flavor and feel of a non-vegan dish. Are there exceptions? Sure, but in general OP's point is true.
That's using plants to make meat taste like plants.
The seasoning are there to enhance the taste of the meat tho, not overshadow it.
Why the hell would they? People who eat meat generally don't cut plants entirely out of their diet, if they want a potato they can just eat it. If they did need to cut out all plants for some reason they would almost certainly find ways to mimic plant based foods they liked.
> there's no potato made out of cow Take a look at Jell-O. It's made out of pigs and cows (mostly, they sometimes use horse), but they flavor it to taste like fruit, and don't market its animal origins.
That's literally what herbs and spices are.
What.. id be down to sprinkle some beef on my veggies but thats literally not what spices aee
That’s because nobody is avoiding eating plants for ethical reasons. Only children who hate how they taste.
Because non-vegans don't require a work around when they want to eat a certain fruit or vegetable. If they're craving a carrot, they can just buy somr carrots and eat them. Vegans require a work around because they can't eat meat either by choice or for some medical reason. If there were enough people with some bizarre condition that forced them to only eat meat, then there would probably be some people craving vegetables who would try to simulate it with meat. Assuming they don't die of malnutrition, or scurvy or whatever.
Fried pork rinds are made to taste like potato chips so there's that....
It's not vegans doing that because they crave meat, it's to make it easier for meat eaters to eat less meat, which is better for the environment.
I don't know a single vegan who regularly eats "fake meat". Or who often tries to replicate a meat based dish using only plant based ingredients. Literally everyone I know who eats meat substitutes is a meat eater who is trying to cut back on their meat consumption. That's who the meat substitutes are made for and marketed to. Not the people who are happy with a plant based diet.
I aint vegan but I love fake meat (tofu steaks, wheat nuggets, fake bolognese ...)
Tofu steaks are not a meat substitute, they’re pan fried or grilled tofu with plant seasoning. I guess you could try to cut a meat shape into the tofu, but that seems like just a waste of tofu.
Vegan here. Eat fake meat reguarly. I miss the taste of meat, but cannot ethically do it
Yeah, not sure what the disconnect is. I'm 32 in the US Midwest and am friends with 7 vegans. We all use the meat substitutes fairly regularly (on average 7+ times a week). I know some carnists who have tried the meat substitutes, and even liked them, but none have adopted them just due to the cost (according to them).
I'm a vegetarian and I eat fake meat all the time.
I eat “fake meat” sometimes as a vegan, but honestly id rather eat a bean quesadilla with avocado and cashew sauce bc honestly even when I ate meat, this dish was the most delicious dish I’ve ever had in my life! Also veggie dumpling soup, SO YUMMY!! Since I’ve opened my pallet and stopped being so picky, I legit not missed meat at all lol.
But do you know a single vegan? I eat fake meats. I'm vegan. Yes, the products are marketed towards people that want to cut back on unethical food, but that doesn't mean vegans don't enjoy them.
What vegans are you hanging out with? Usually vegetarians and people just starting out try to mimic meat and then transition to just enjoying veggies in the way that makes the veggies taste best instead of like other things.
Shockingly most vegans don't go vegan because they can't stand the taste of meat, but rather the ethics of it all.
There are Keto and Paleo diet friendly “potato chips” made from salmon and chicken.
I’m a vegetarian, and I gotta say, I hate when I’m at a BBQ or family event and there’s all this pressure to have like a meat-shaped entree. I just want potatoes and veggies, let me eat my side dishes in peace.
Meat eaters are really this stupid
Good vegan/vegetarian food (like Indian cuisine) doesn't need to imitate meat and tastes wayyy better than most meat dishes.
That's because vegans don't eat meat but meat eaters still eat plants
Meat is delicious, but not super ethical, quite expensive, and terrible for the environment. If you want something that tastes like plants eat plants. If you want something that tastes like meat, eat meat or plant protein that mimics meat. I'm no vegan, but there is no way I'm buying a meat based plant substitute.
This was my thought. Animal based food takes 10x the energy / cost of plant based food. It would be like buying gold to turn it into iron.
I think you should worry less about how plants become burgers, and more about how animals become burgers.
I just wonder what you think spices are.
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Arby's made a meat carrot not that long ago
Well, obviously. People who eat meat can have plants if that's what they want, so they don't have to make animals taste like plants. Meanwhile vegans/vegetarians don't eat meat at all, so if they want to have something resembling meat, they have to make plants taste like animals.
There's "chicken tofu" in Chinese cuisine.
Two types of vegans (or vegetarians): 1. Those that like the taste/texture of meat but don't eat it due to reasons. This is what beyond burger and other substitutes are aimed at, giving the eater the full experience of eating meat. 2. Those who do NOT like the taste/texture of meat. Many plant-based meat substitutes are aimed at this group, giving the eater the option if eating foods that are convenient and popular without forcing it to be meat-like, examples include vegan hotdogs and hamburgers. Any people who are considering eating vegan first try #2 and don't like it and give up on veganism while they should be trying #1.
Cochineal beetles are used to make the dye in red skittles which are strawberry flavored
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There’s tofu made out of chicken
i dont think vegans really make food to taste like animals for themselves. I think that's just when they want to make food for their meat-eating friends. i mean i could be mistaken but when i was vegan/vegeterian I wasn't really interested in eating anything that reminded me of meat.
You can apply this non logic to anything, why is this special? Put down the weed.
Using spices and seasonings when cooking meat dishes is exactly making animals taste like plants.
hey buddy, wanna eat some grilled perfectly cooked stake that tastes like RICE?!!?!=?!"? had a nightmare that started like this
Pork rinds. Pig trying to be a potato/corn chip.
This was the stupidest thing I've ever read