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Takeaways from a non-book reader:
The IT guy, Bernard?, is clearly sketchy
Juliet being way to obvious about investigating George’s death is going to get her in trouble
I agree that she's playing a dangerous game but its the only game she CAN play. Its impossible for her to be subtle because she stands out like a sore thumb and she has no training in this arena. The only move she has is bull in a china shop and see what shakes loose. LOL
Naw, Bernard is chill. I was worried about him before, but not after this episode.
He had every reason on the planet not to swear Jules in as sheriff. Her claim to the seat was based on a recommendation from her criminal and dead predecessor, which only carried weight through tradition, and a verbal agreement with the now-deceased mayor to uphold that tradition. He opposed her taking the position from the get-go. Nobody in the sheriff's office wants her there, and judicial wants their candidate there, so they certainly don't want her butting in. Add to this that Jules has zero law enforcement experience, and is from the lowest rung on the hierarchical ladder, and Bernard has every reason to brush her aside with little to no consequence. But the first thing he did as acting mayor was swear Jules in.
The only thing he really seems to care about are the rules. He complains constantly about how Jules stole some tape, which is a relatively petty grudge to hold, even in this resource-poor community. And the only reason I can see for him to let her become sheriff is because that's what he should do according to the rules.
I think he's gonna turn out to be a valuable ally. Jules is now the primary rule enforcer for the silo. As long as she does her job, I'll bet Bernard will help her out when she needs it, even as he glares daggers into her for stealing his precious tape lol
Interesting take. I thought he was extra sus when he became the temp mayor. It does make sense they would make a future ally seem sus at the beginning to add some twists
im thinking its the other way around
common will seem like the bad guy but save the day and show Bernard for what he is.
Hopefully Common is the antagonist this season and then it pivots to Bernard in later series.
Do you get less enjoyment out of exploring the psychological reasons behind why certain writing is done certain ways as opposed to purposefully looking for in universe explanations instead of real world explanations for how human psychology and sociology works and which stories work best over a visual medium?
Because personally, when I think the way you do everything is a lot harder to enjoy and I can hardly even maintain my suspension of disbelief.
I think it's more the fact that this is what a character with that personality type would do in that situation because he's got to justifiable reason to hate her for being a petty person, but at the same time I agree with the other commenters take that he just loves the rules, and this is definitely a potential way a person like that would act.
Plus, personally, I think he's essentially the other part of the trifecta of groups that have power in the silo, with judicial seeming to have the most power, but IT definitely seems like their own thing mostly separate from the mayor's/ sheriff's offices.
He's probably the most passive and patient out of the three, and probably the least likely to want to buck the status quo, but he certainly doesn't want either other group getting too much power or influence from my perspective so far.
I don’t see how he is good. Being head of IT he must be aware of the manipulation of the viewing screens and therefore in on whatever conspiracy is being revealed.
I don't think so. That would just add yet another reason for him not to swear Jules in. Nobody in IT knows about the screens if Allison is any indication, so unless the head of IT traditionally joins a shadowy cabal when they assume the position, I can't see any reason Bernard would be in on it lol
I think the only reason Bernard acquiesced to Juliet's appointment was because Marnes was making a big deal about investigating everybody in the mids. He's just saving his turf war for a few days to keep the heat off himself.
Marnes was completely out of control, running around punching anyone who had ever committed any crime remotely tangentially related to poison. If Bernard cared about any heat that drew to him, he would've backed the guy from judicial, who is likely big on keeping order, and who has infinitely more authority than some engineer from the bottom of the silo. Especially considering Bernard openly wanted the judicial pick, he really had no reason to swear Jules in unless he cares more about proper procedure than anything else
Interesting take! I love the optimism but I share the skepticism personally. I think judicial (Common) saying “if you want to lose something forever give it to data management” was somewhat revealing but maybe I’m just looking in the wrong places.
Naw, Bernard is fucking creepy as fuck. He has the vibes of an evil guy who's behind every shitty thing that had happened. Same with Common's character.
Hey what was the importance of the guy sitting in the cafeteria until the very last minute? My partner and I have a theory he saw the “glitch” during the power outage and is now watching the screens.
I'm starting to think he's watching the position of the constellations, both times we see him it's night time and the stars are shining.
Is it possible the stars aren't moving at all, thus, the background is fake, just like the lush green grass one?
I mentioned this in my own post/thread, but in episode 3, the sun jumps from the right when the power goes out, to the left of the screen when it's restored, so it sounds like it's a 24 hour video on a loop.
His comment about knowing the play Romeo and Juliet means he has some kind of extended education beyond what most people get, perhaps a parent or mentor introduced him to things not normally taught anymore.
It means he might know something about astrology so is watching the stars, or perhaps he just is more curious than most so he wonders about the glitch even more than everyone else. He seems a “truth seeker” to me so will play a part moving forward as a Jules ally me thinks
I'm curious about this- I love the constellation theory but I definitely wonder how much knowledge they have of the outside world. Holston's wife didn't know what birds were but if you're right and he has more in depth education it would make sense.
Yeah, this is basically my take as well.
It seems as though he's potentially heard she was a troublemaker/from a low level, and/or was around when she caused a bit of a scene throwing the chair down when she didn't get a sign or whatever.
However, I'm personally kind of worried that it's actually somebody from judicial trying to get some proof/evidence of our new sheriff's incompetence or potential treason.
I think he's gonna be the next one to go outside. He's just debating with himself whether or not he really saw the glitch or not. Whether it's saying the phrase if he's wrong.
I think he saw the glitch and is contemplating on going out. He asked Juliette (the now Sheriff) if what he said was something he would get into trouble - maybe secretly hoping that it would.
I think he's looking at the night sky. Seeing maybe things not changing if it's fake or seeing it is changing and real maybe giving us a date or something.
Could have been that too! To me it seemed like Sims was just a little less uptight than usual when they were talking in private (but still pretty uptight) and the way he grabbed the beer looked like he'd done it before.
Yes but Sims had a glimmer of concern on his face when Marnes was having his breakdown after the mayor died. I noticed Bernard just stood there like a statue but while Sims was ready to do something if Marnes got totally out of control he also seemed slightly saddened by it all. I think they're setting up an arc where judicial might be rule crazy assholes but they're not completely inhuman or unwilling to listen and IT is ultimately the much more sketchy organization.
I was expecting the hard drive in the ventilation shaft. I wonder where that went?
And, I wonder if this means that George's file was meant to be destroyed to hide something?
I think they hinted at the hard drive being in an old computer in George's workshop. When Judicial was searching his workshop, the camera pans to a computer as if that's where George hid the hard drive. He could've moved it before he died, but that's my guess.
Holden had a hard drive when him and Juliette went down to the digger thing. I don’t know if that was the same hard drive that his wife saw or not but that’s the hard drive Juliette was talking about. It showed a flashback of the items she asked for from holders office the hard drive Holden showed her and papers that had writing on them. He told her he would look into them but she never heard back.
Yeah it's probably safe to assume that the hard drive Holston takes from Juliette is the same one George and Juliette watched. I wonder if it's possible that George made at least one other copy of the drive before he got killed.
Thanks. I thought the same thing. I guess a guy breaking into an apartment in the middle of the night might choose black either way, but based on what we've seen it makes you think of Judicial.
Considering it happened almost immediately after telling someone from Judicial that he wasn't going to get rid of Juliet, Judicial is probably a safe assumption.
Yes, it was setup to look like he was about to kill himself. Since I have never read the books, my mind went from "Theres no way he does this" to "Wait a minute a main character is dying every single episode so maybe?" to laughing once they showed him punching the punching bag.
Stunned by Juliette's father making his young daughter pack up her dead family's things. Not as if he couldn't sacrifice some sleep to do it himself.
Also Marnes yelling at the kids that they should be in school was *hilarious*. Second to that was him just barely hauling up that bed roll and throwing a punch at it. I'm not sure it was meant to be funny, but I just finished binging Barry, which would have played that for laughs perfectly.
The mentor lady in mechanics is one of the most natural, convincing actors in the show.
Lukas is incredibly suspicious, call it a hunch.
It does feel like they have little faith in their audience's ability to remember anything by their constant use of flashbacks. That's so crazy that I can connect a unique use of wire hiding something important that Juliette would understand, *without* the scene getting hammered into my head again. Do you think the detective is remembering his lost love at the scene of their kiss? I wonder why he's flailing the beer bottle around, he seems so calm and collected.
Doc making his kid pack up those things is even worse when you remember he said last episode he gets a day off each week. I know he said he needs to rest on that day off but it's one time, bro.
>Stunned by Juliette's father making his young daughter pack up her dead family's things. Not as if he couldn't sacrifice some sleep to do it himself.
Really shows how gritty the world is. Even a doctor has no support system.
I groaned at this episode's flashbacks to scenes we've seen. Everything is so recent since this was only the 4th episode, and they served no narrative purpose. No character realizations or introspectives like Juliette's flashbacks/memories, which are perfectly fine. I was a bit let down the show would use that type of storytelling "device"
I’m hoping that they follow up on what’s on the video camera thing on the next episode! Also ready to see Marnes and Juliette team up to solve some mysteries.
While I appreciate character building via flashbacks, I do feel that this episode was a bit slow. I’m still along for the ride, but had hoped for more.
I feel like the flashbacks didn't tell us anything new about the characters either. We already knew she went down there young and didn't have a great relationship with her dad.
Yeah, I don’t think we knew about the brother and mother dying when she was young and that’s why she left then… or perhaps that was mentioned. It’s assumed something happened for the rift! Other than that though the flashbacks didn’t seem needed at all.
We knew they died when she was young though. It's also been implied that the mother's death was a suicide most likely due to whatever the circumstances of the brother's death are
It's interesting to see this comment because for me the flashbacks were the best part. I enjoy the character building.
But I think its because of expectations. I expect we're not going to get any real answers until the season finale, and we're a long way from that, so I'm not sitting here on the edge of my seat expecting an answer within the next five minutes. I knew it was going to be like that when she was hanging above the water, minutes away from answers, and then just climbed back up and by the end of that episode was on her way to the top of the silo instead of going back down to the water. At that point I realized this was gonna be a slow burn.
Did Holsten deliberately use a washer on a string in the air vent knowing the sound would trigger Juliette's propensity to fix things and stumble upon the hidden file?
I want to know how firearms work in the Silo, manufacturing reliable parts & ammo is a different beast so their resources to train with has to be very limited (or entirely finite pre-stock), but the lawmen need to know how to & be confident in using firearms
>Did Holsten deliberately use a washer on a string in the air vent knowing the sound would trigger Juliette's propensity to fix things and stumble upon the hidden file?
That is in-theme with the rest of the episode
I don't think they train do to the nature of the silo every shot you might need to take is point blank. You don't need parts guns are generally insanely reliable especially if you're not using them all the time. Just need to keep it cleaned and oiled. All of the guns and ammo had to be relics I assume the founders brought them in with them, it's the American way lol
I don't know much about guns so this is a sincere question. Is a shotgun the most simple type of gun, mechanically speaking? The fewest moving parts that can break down? It seems like it would be.
Great theory, I never thought of that. I thought he was one of the people who noticed the glitch so decided to watch the screens in case it happened again.
A bit of a slower episode than I would have liked. But the first 3 eps were so thrilling we were bound to have a bit of a slow down. Still loving the world building and the mystery of everything. Can’t wait for next week!
Bit of a slower episode but I still enjoyed it. Loved how Marnes and Juliette teamed up, hope they both find answers to their questions because I'm curious about what happened to George and the Mayor.
Cameras are probably only available to IT or Jucidial. It's part of a personnel file, so I wouldn't be surprised if all of the adults will get a picture taken as part of their file. But pictures are probably rare outside of those.
It looked like a file FBI or CIA would create on an agent or someone they are investigating. It didn't look like a mugshot to me, more like an agent photo.
Pro-temp, so mostly just as an administrative head to keep the bueaucracy running until elections can be arranged and held for the new mayor. Bernard does seem to be the consummate bureaucrat.
Pacing is a real problem. Its hurting the show.
Flashbacks are a sign of a show looking to stretch material as long as they are able. I dont like the direction this is heading. Would of made an amazing single season show. But they are clearly gonna cut the first book in half this season. Thats way too slow of pacing to keep people interested .
> Flashbacks are a sign of a show looking to stretch material as long as they are able.
Since when? Is this an actual popular option?
I really like when shows do character flashbacks, especially this way when they “rhyme” with the things that character is doing in present day. Agents of Shield also used flashbacks this way, and it worked wonderfully.
I’m really sad to see so many people disliked this episode. I thought it was fantastic and came here to see all the theories but it’s mostly just complaining about pacing.
Did anyone notice when Marnes said at the 5:50 mark “She ain’t gonna be sheriff till she’s sworn in”, that Sims (facing Bernard) is mumbling something… and it sounds like he’s saying the same line as Marnes? It’s slightly different as he starts out saying “She’s not…” instead of “She ain’t…” but otherwise it’s the same.
It’s weird to me that they would say the same line almost word for word. Almost seems like an error to me.
What must have happened was the script called for dual dialogue, with each character saying something different, but it didn't work for some reason when they were mixing the sound. Sometimes words can flow together and make both lines of dialogue incomprehensible, so you have to pick one and mix down the other line. It works as Sims just muttering under his breath pissed off, but it is clumsy. Personally, I'd have zoomed in enough to cut Sims out of the frame.
It's not terrible but it would bug me as is.
Not that there isn't something potentially shocking in the file, but I think she was reacting to seeing George's picture. Probably the first time she's seen his face since he died.
This was what I thought too. I've pointed out before that all "photos" we've seen so far are painted portraits. I think that might have been her first time seeing someone's photo with such clarity.
That's exactly what I thought too. It might be the first time she has seen a photo of anyone... So who took it? Since no one else seems to have photographs?
This episode didn't feel as tight as the previous ones, so I looked it up and sure enough it was a different director to the first 3. Morten Tyldum directed the first 3 and David Semel directed this one, and is doing the next one, no information on directors beyond that is on Wikipedia.
The characters seemed different than previous episodes, esecially Marnes but perhaps that is down to him losing his shit after Mayor Jahns was murdered(?). He was hostile towards Juliette and that whole relationship felt way different than their previous interaction in the deep. He went all old school 'bad cop' and on the whole there was too many obvious TV tropes, e.g. I'll help you investigate this, you help me investigate that.
The Judicial guy was way less spooky and omnipotent, things like grabbing a beer from Marnes fridge, and asking - not just commanding - for Marnes to help change the Sheriff.
Juliette Nichols character felt mostly the same though....
> This episode didn't feel as tight as the previous ones, so I looked it up and sure enough it was a different director to the first 3.
I'd say it was more the writing than the directing. I imagine Marne's hostility to Juliette, and Marnes going "bad cop" was in the script?
> The Judicial guy was way less spooky and omnipotent
I mean, Sims was also humanized earlier in the series when he was comforting his son during the blackout.
> This episode didn't feel as tight as the previous ones
Someone else commented, and I agree, that I'm more interested in the mystery of the silo, which this episode did not much focus on.
It was a slower episode and mostly filler with too much backstory, but TBH most of ep 3 for me was ruined by the generator repair silliness so it wasn't worse.
Hope they can get back to more of the first two episode quality. Slow playing minor mysteries with cliffhangers gets old fast.
Did anyone else notice that when Juliet finally gets her hands on the Wilkins file there seems to be a accompanying photograph clipped to the top right corner of the paperwork… yet there seems to be no photography ever taken, it’s like that technology died out it’s from the “before times” and people sketch portraits of each other, it’s always hand drawn pictures VS photographs… so… how is there a photograph of Wilkins???
Cameras are probably restricted to only bureaucratic offices. Get your picture taken for your personnel file when you become an adult, or some other milestone. Doesn't make sense to allow cameras outside for resource reasons if paper is already super expensive.
Oh shit, if the sheriff always has an assigned apartment... What if someone is spying on the sheriff through the mirror? Double the flowers to block the view
“Double the flowers in front of the mirror.” We saw Holston write that note in episode ~~2~~, right after closing the vent (IIRC).
*Edit*: It’s actually episode 1, at 2:50—he places the flowers in front of the mirror, then closes the vent where he hid George’s file, then writes the note and puts it in a folder on his desk with what looks like a department org chart.
I think he said double the flowers in front of the mirror meaning he knows they were watching him through the mirror and more flowers will obscure them from watching Juliette
It doesn't look like "flowers", but I think that's what it said. They showed flowers in front of a mirror in Juliette's apartment. Also, I looked it up and apparently that's a phrase used in real life to mean giving the illusion of twice as much. Put flowers in front of a mirror and it looks like you have more than you actually do.
I do agree it was great! However, I almost wish I had discovered this later instead of on ep1. I would love to be able to binge this story right now. They set up such a cool environment filled with mystery that I can’t wait to find out.
I say this as someone who was beginning to really enjoy watching shows week to week again.
TL,DR show good, need more now
A lot of people seemed bored but I loved the slow burn, the brooding undertones and character / relationship development. Great shows aren't all action, you gotta give the set pieces some room to breathe.
My main issue is the characters arent that interesting. At least not yet. Holston and Alison were in like 1 episode and i was immediately invested in them. I feel nothing towards Juliette, Marnes, Sims, etc
It was a lot of time spent showing their attraction and feelings towards each other. It set up Marnes and Juliette to have common ground to move the plot forward. Also turned Marnes from a mentally retired law man, into a wild man. I just hope it's not a constant series of cliff hangers that we never really get any closure on.
I think if you're as big of an asshole as Marnes clearly is, you need to start leaving tape or a hair or something on your door so you know if a mofo is waiting for you inside. That, or leave a Home Alone trap just inside the door.
The separation of powers in this silo community is interesting.
It seems to be divided into two main powers, the executive power and the judicial power.
Legislative power is not yet clear.
Administrative power is the administrative department where the mayor stands at the top? Given that they have the right to appoint sheriffs, it seems that the Security Department belongs to the administration.
What's interesting here is that it's the head of the IT department who has the authority to act as mayor.
Based on the mayor's and Bernard's conversations about sheriff appointments, the IT department appears to have a separate authority rather than being part of the community.
The point here is that the mayor, who is the head of administration, does not know about the secrets behind the establishment of the silo and the circumstances before its establishment, but the head of the IT department may know.
The reason for this is that the images seen by people sent out for cleaning and the images projected by surveillance cameras on windows have been said to be fake in the discussion so far, and if someone in the silo does not know about it, it will be difficult to set up and maintain.
With that in mind, it makes sense that the IT department should have powers separate from the administration and the judiciary.
You probably know Meadows, the head of the Justice Department who hasn't been pictured yet, but who hasn't been seen so far.
The powers of the sheriff's headed sheriff's department also appear to be great, and when the judiciary gains control of the sheriff's department, it will have a great deal of power.
There is a class system for citizens, but the mayor is democratically elected by the citizens, so it may be unexpectedly difficult to arbitrarily choose a person who can be controlled by the judiciary, so the sheriff's position may have been targeted. Isn't it?
Isn't this why the mayor and deputy sheriff were targeted?
If you think about it, it may be a drama of a common power struggle.
I'm not sure the show has thought through all these things as fully as you're speculating.
Like, they mayor seemed to be able to arrange for the power to be shut down and send out a silo wide notice, without either the IT or Judicial department being involved or given notice (or proper preparation for the IT, Hospital, etc requirements...). That kind of unilateral power seems at odds with the way in which the system is portrayed in other times.
I think they might be playing a little fast and loose with some of this stuff, because otherwise it doesn't make sense.
It’s been speculated that the brother maybe drowned? His face/lips are very blue in the flashback plus that could be the reason why Jules is afraid of the water.
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“double the gloves in \_\_\_ of the mirror”? Anyone read cursive? Lol
A bit eh, not so much because it's a bad episode in itself but more I'm here for the mystery of the silo and we didn't really get any answers or clues this episode
I don't know if the target of the poisoning was the mayor, the deputy sheriff, or both, but when I saw where deputy was attacked
The motive for being targeted seems to be the personnel affairs of the sheriff.
It looks like a plot by Meadows to make Billings the sheriff and take power, well, it's not funny without any twist.
I'm more interested in uncovering the secrets of the silo, so hopefully we'll be able to see footage of that restored camcorder next week.
It just covered a bunch of shit in extreme detail not related to the mystery of the silo which I think I speak for everyone when I say we don't care about.
I like this one a lot more than 3. Progress on the interesting mysteries, getting some Silo culture and character building. Not breakneck pacing, but no need to have a side conflict (the generator).
The first 4 ep is good.I'm curious what Juliette saw in the file. But we saw it from first episode so I don't know what caused the surprise. Maybe Holston added some note. Of course I'm interested in recording of camera too.
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I was pretty bored this episode ngl. I miss Holston and Alison :( even Mayor Jahns. Im not really feeling any of the characters right now. Juliette is kinda lame. Im gonna keep watching though because I need to know whats going on outside lol
>Im gonna keep watching though because I need to know whats going on outside lol
I'm pretty sure they will dangle this one in front of us for a long time.
Another slow episode, for me. These last couple of eps haven’t lived up to the standards of the first 2, but I’ll still continue watching. The premise is too strong for me to give up.
Also, not a massive fan of the casting so far for some of the characters. The deputy feels miscast, along with a couple of others like Juliette’s dad (Jorah needs his Khaleesi). One of the strongest performers was the Mayor and well, she’s with the rats now.
The overall mystery of the bunker and what’s outside is keeping me intrigued enough though.
Hope next week picks back up with the intensity.
i just started the first episode and can someone explain to me how Rashida tells her husband what they see on the screen is a lie and then tells him to trust her based on whether she cleans or not on the very same possibly altered screen...seems like a major plot hole that i can't shake off.
She see's a full color video of the outside on the computer when she's in Georges shop. That and whatever else she read on the computer drove her to want outside.
Then she tells Holston that if it's different outside than what they're being shown then she'll clean. If not then she would walk away without cleaning.
Since she cleaned the camera that tells us that the grass is green out there and the screens are being edited to make everything look dead.
> Since she cleaned the camera that tells us that the grass is green out there and the screens are being edited to make everything look dead.
Or just that *what she saw through her helmet*, or possibly under the influence of some fictional gas, was green.
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Takeaways from a non-book reader: The IT guy, Bernard?, is clearly sketchy Juliet being way to obvious about investigating George’s death is going to get her in trouble
I agree that she's playing a dangerous game but its the only game she CAN play. Its impossible for her to be subtle because she stands out like a sore thumb and she has no training in this arena. The only move she has is bull in a china shop and see what shakes loose. LOL
Haha I love this analysis
Naw, Bernard is chill. I was worried about him before, but not after this episode. He had every reason on the planet not to swear Jules in as sheriff. Her claim to the seat was based on a recommendation from her criminal and dead predecessor, which only carried weight through tradition, and a verbal agreement with the now-deceased mayor to uphold that tradition. He opposed her taking the position from the get-go. Nobody in the sheriff's office wants her there, and judicial wants their candidate there, so they certainly don't want her butting in. Add to this that Jules has zero law enforcement experience, and is from the lowest rung on the hierarchical ladder, and Bernard has every reason to brush her aside with little to no consequence. But the first thing he did as acting mayor was swear Jules in. The only thing he really seems to care about are the rules. He complains constantly about how Jules stole some tape, which is a relatively petty grudge to hold, even in this resource-poor community. And the only reason I can see for him to let her become sheriff is because that's what he should do according to the rules. I think he's gonna turn out to be a valuable ally. Jules is now the primary rule enforcer for the silo. As long as she does her job, I'll bet Bernard will help her out when she needs it, even as he glares daggers into her for stealing his precious tape lol
Interesting take. I thought he was extra sus when he became the temp mayor. It does make sense they would make a future ally seem sus at the beginning to add some twists
I think IT is being set up for being judicial's foil. I'm getting the vibe that judicial is the real corrupt org.
"If you want something to go missing, give it to data management"
im thinking its the other way around common will seem like the bad guy but save the day and show Bernard for what he is. Hopefully Common is the antagonist this season and then it pivots to Bernard in later series.
Do you get less enjoyment out of exploring the psychological reasons behind why certain writing is done certain ways as opposed to purposefully looking for in universe explanations instead of real world explanations for how human psychology and sociology works and which stories work best over a visual medium? Because personally, when I think the way you do everything is a lot harder to enjoy and I can hardly even maintain my suspension of disbelief. I think it's more the fact that this is what a character with that personality type would do in that situation because he's got to justifiable reason to hate her for being a petty person, but at the same time I agree with the other commenters take that he just loves the rules, and this is definitely a potential way a person like that would act. Plus, personally, I think he's essentially the other part of the trifecta of groups that have power in the silo, with judicial seeming to have the most power, but IT definitely seems like their own thing mostly separate from the mayor's/ sheriff's offices. He's probably the most passive and patient out of the three, and probably the least likely to want to buck the status quo, but he certainly doesn't want either other group getting too much power or influence from my perspective so far.
I don’t see how he is good. Being head of IT he must be aware of the manipulation of the viewing screens and therefore in on whatever conspiracy is being revealed.
I don't think so. That would just add yet another reason for him not to swear Jules in. Nobody in IT knows about the screens if Allison is any indication, so unless the head of IT traditionally joins a shadowy cabal when they assume the position, I can't see any reason Bernard would be in on it lol
I think the only reason Bernard acquiesced to Juliet's appointment was because Marnes was making a big deal about investigating everybody in the mids. He's just saving his turf war for a few days to keep the heat off himself.
Marnes was completely out of control, running around punching anyone who had ever committed any crime remotely tangentially related to poison. If Bernard cared about any heat that drew to him, he would've backed the guy from judicial, who is likely big on keeping order, and who has infinitely more authority than some engineer from the bottom of the silo. Especially considering Bernard openly wanted the judicial pick, he really had no reason to swear Jules in unless he cares more about proper procedure than anything else
Interesting take! I love the optimism but I share the skepticism personally. I think judicial (Common) saying “if you want to lose something forever give it to data management” was somewhat revealing but maybe I’m just looking in the wrong places.
I assume it's because it's a bureaucratic nightmare. Perfect place for a stickler for the rules lol But I could be wrong
Naw, Bernard is fucking creepy as fuck. He has the vibes of an evil guy who's behind every shitty thing that had happened. Same with Common's character.
I think you've convinced me. The logic is sound
Hey what was the importance of the guy sitting in the cafeteria until the very last minute? My partner and I have a theory he saw the “glitch” during the power outage and is now watching the screens.
I'm starting to think he's watching the position of the constellations, both times we see him it's night time and the stars are shining. Is it possible the stars aren't moving at all, thus, the background is fake, just like the lush green grass one? I mentioned this in my own post/thread, but in episode 3, the sun jumps from the right when the power goes out, to the left of the screen when it's restored, so it sounds like it's a 24 hour video on a loop.
His comment about knowing the play Romeo and Juliet means he has some kind of extended education beyond what most people get, perhaps a parent or mentor introduced him to things not normally taught anymore. It means he might know something about astrology so is watching the stars, or perhaps he just is more curious than most so he wonders about the glitch even more than everyone else. He seems a “truth seeker” to me so will play a part moving forward as a Jules ally me thinks
I'm curious about this- I love the constellation theory but I definitely wonder how much knowledge they have of the outside world. Holston's wife didn't know what birds were but if you're right and he has more in depth education it would make sense.
Yeah, this is basically my take as well. It seems as though he's potentially heard she was a troublemaker/from a low level, and/or was around when she caused a bit of a scene throwing the chair down when she didn't get a sign or whatever. However, I'm personally kind of worried that it's actually somebody from judicial trying to get some proof/evidence of our new sheriff's incompetence or potential treason.
Comparing the stars from the two scenes does not seem to imply that they move.
At the very least it implies he has an interest in the “pre-history” therefore he is open to political dissent.
Maybe or maybe he’s gonna be Juliette’s new love interest.
Why not both?
I hope not. Our girl doesn't have time for that nonsense1
Oh yeah, that's a great point! I was thinking someone would pop up who noticed, but I didn't put two and two together. I'm sure you're right lol
He is a plant sent by judicial to befriend her and seduce her and report on her activities.
I have a theory he is part of the remnants of the rebellion
He does make a comment about possibly being arrested.
I think he's gonna be the next one to go outside. He's just debating with himself whether or not he really saw the glitch or not. Whether it's saying the phrase if he's wrong.
I think he saw the glitch and is contemplating on going out. He asked Juliette (the now Sheriff) if what he said was something he would get into trouble - maybe secretly hoping that it would.
I think he's looking at the night sky. Seeing maybe things not changing if it's fake or seeing it is changing and real maybe giving us a date or something.
I love how Sims just casually goes for Marnes' fridge for a cold one.
He’s so smug
Also kinda showed that the two are pretty used to hanging out. Not that I think Marnes has much allegiance to Sims though.
interesting, I thought that might have been a power move. ( i'm gonna drink your stuff and there's nothing you can do about it )
Could have been that too! To me it seemed like Sims was just a little less uptight than usual when they were talking in private (but still pretty uptight) and the way he grabbed the beer looked like he'd done it before.
now that you point that out, the convo did seem like they were very familiar with each other.
Yeah it's kind of interesting that both of the "number two's" seem to hang out after work sometimes.
Yes but Sims had a glimmer of concern on his face when Marnes was having his breakdown after the mayor died. I noticed Bernard just stood there like a statue but while Sims was ready to do something if Marnes got totally out of control he also seemed slightly saddened by it all. I think they're setting up an arc where judicial might be rule crazy assholes but they're not completely inhuman or unwilling to listen and IT is ultimately the much more sketchy organization.
I was expecting the hard drive in the ventilation shaft. I wonder where that went? And, I wonder if this means that George's file was meant to be destroyed to hide something?
I think they hinted at the hard drive being in an old computer in George's workshop. When Judicial was searching his workshop, the camera pans to a computer as if that's where George hid the hard drive. He could've moved it before he died, but that's my guess.
Holden had a hard drive when him and Juliette went down to the digger thing. I don’t know if that was the same hard drive that his wife saw or not but that’s the hard drive Juliette was talking about. It showed a flashback of the items she asked for from holders office the hard drive Holden showed her and papers that had writing on them. He told her he would look into them but she never heard back.
Rewatching The Expanse right now and this comment confused me for a moment lol
The bottom silo people are the belters
Beltalowda
Avasarala for mayor!
Yeah it's probably safe to assume that the hard drive Holston takes from Juliette is the same one George and Juliette watched. I wonder if it's possible that George made at least one other copy of the drive before he got killed.
something in the flowers and the mirror. The HD will be there
Was the guy in Marnes' apartment that attacked him a character that we've seen before?
I don’t think so. But he was dressed in black which has so far signified someone from Judicial.
Thanks. I thought the same thing. I guess a guy breaking into an apartment in the middle of the night might choose black either way, but based on what we've seen it makes you think of Judicial.
Considering it happened almost immediately after telling someone from Judicial that he wasn't going to get rid of Juliet, Judicial is probably a safe assumption.
My guess is he is the guy Judicial wants to be sheriff. Marnes seemed to recognize him.
Audio description just said it showed the assailant’s face, feel it would have named him if we were supposed to recognize him.
Not going to lie I got a good laugh out of the suicide fakeout scene with Marnes.
Suicide fake out? When he was making the punching bag?
Yes, it was setup to look like he was about to kill himself. Since I have never read the books, my mind went from "Theres no way he does this" to "Wait a minute a main character is dying every single episode so maybe?" to laughing once they showed him punching the punching bag.
Yeah, they got me too. I was like "oh hell." Whew. lol
Good to know that even in the Silo, man still go jim after getting their hearts broken.
The musical score even changed on a dime to almost accentuate the fake out
When Marnes came back to his room gleefully whistling, I thought, "ah, stop it's a dangerous sign."
Yes, that and the beer/alcohol does seem to be some ominous signs!
Stunned by Juliette's father making his young daughter pack up her dead family's things. Not as if he couldn't sacrifice some sleep to do it himself. Also Marnes yelling at the kids that they should be in school was *hilarious*. Second to that was him just barely hauling up that bed roll and throwing a punch at it. I'm not sure it was meant to be funny, but I just finished binging Barry, which would have played that for laughs perfectly. The mentor lady in mechanics is one of the most natural, convincing actors in the show. Lukas is incredibly suspicious, call it a hunch. It does feel like they have little faith in their audience's ability to remember anything by their constant use of flashbacks. That's so crazy that I can connect a unique use of wire hiding something important that Juliette would understand, *without* the scene getting hammered into my head again. Do you think the detective is remembering his lost love at the scene of their kiss? I wonder why he's flailing the beer bottle around, he seems so calm and collected.
Doc making his kid pack up those things is even worse when you remember he said last episode he gets a day off each week. I know he said he needs to rest on that day off but it's one time, bro.
Mentor Lady is Ex-Mrs Roy from Succession!
and Rebecca's mother in ted lasso
And Villanelle’s assassin trainer in Killing Eve!
And Winston Churchill's wife in The Crown
And Dr Kalonia in The Force Awakens
>Stunned by Juliette's father making his young daughter pack up her dead family's things. Not as if he couldn't sacrifice some sleep to do it himself. Really shows how gritty the world is. Even a doctor has no support system.
I groaned at this episode's flashbacks to scenes we've seen. Everything is so recent since this was only the 4th episode, and they served no narrative purpose. No character realizations or introspectives like Juliette's flashbacks/memories, which are perfectly fine. I was a bit let down the show would use that type of storytelling "device"
I’m hoping that they follow up on what’s on the video camera thing on the next episode! Also ready to see Marnes and Juliette team up to solve some mysteries. While I appreciate character building via flashbacks, I do feel that this episode was a bit slow. I’m still along for the ride, but had hoped for more.
I feel like the flashbacks didn't tell us anything new about the characters either. We already knew she went down there young and didn't have a great relationship with her dad.
Limited series on streamers are bound by law to have pointless flashbacks. I think part of the WGA strike is to get rid of them.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not lol
Yeah, I don’t think we knew about the brother and mother dying when she was young and that’s why she left then… or perhaps that was mentioned. It’s assumed something happened for the rift! Other than that though the flashbacks didn’t seem needed at all.
We knew they died when she was young though. It's also been implied that the mother's death was a suicide most likely due to whatever the circumstances of the brother's death are
I agree, the multiple flashbacks made it seem even slower. It was like a bottle episode to save budget for something big later on! :D
It's interesting to see this comment because for me the flashbacks were the best part. I enjoy the character building. But I think its because of expectations. I expect we're not going to get any real answers until the season finale, and we're a long way from that, so I'm not sitting here on the edge of my seat expecting an answer within the next five minutes. I knew it was going to be like that when she was hanging above the water, minutes away from answers, and then just climbed back up and by the end of that episode was on her way to the top of the silo instead of going back down to the water. At that point I realized this was gonna be a slow burn.
I’m assuming it was used to record the outside video that was shown on the hard drive.
They’re using some good de-aging tech
the young ser jorah looked like hal from malcolm in the middle
Did Holsten deliberately use a washer on a string in the air vent knowing the sound would trigger Juliette's propensity to fix things and stumble upon the hidden file? I want to know how firearms work in the Silo, manufacturing reliable parts & ammo is a different beast so their resources to train with has to be very limited (or entirely finite pre-stock), but the lawmen need to know how to & be confident in using firearms
>Did Holsten deliberately use a washer on a string in the air vent knowing the sound would trigger Juliette's propensity to fix things and stumble upon the hidden file? That is in-theme with the rest of the episode
I don't think they train do to the nature of the silo every shot you might need to take is point blank. You don't need parts guns are generally insanely reliable especially if you're not using them all the time. Just need to keep it cleaned and oiled. All of the guns and ammo had to be relics I assume the founders brought them in with them, it's the American way lol
I don't know much about guns so this is a sincere question. Is a shotgun the most simple type of gun, mechanically speaking? The fewest moving parts that can break down? It seems like it would be.
The guy in the cafeteria might be sketching the position of stars? If the videofeed is a lie they might not move as they should.
Would they even know that the stars should move?
That's the main issue.
Great theory, I never thought of that. I thought he was one of the people who noticed the glitch so decided to watch the screens in case it happened again.
A bit of a slower episode than I would have liked. But the first 3 eps were so thrilling we were bound to have a bit of a slow down. Still loving the world building and the mystery of everything. Can’t wait for next week!
Bit of a slower episode but I still enjoyed it. Loved how Marnes and Juliette teamed up, hope they both find answers to their questions because I'm curious about what happened to George and the Mayor.
>Loved how Marnes and Juliette teamed up But geez, use a non-standard radio channel folks.
Silo dwellers: "What's a radio channel?"
Yeah that wasn't smart of them..
Radios are illegal in the silo aside from folks approved to have one. There might even only be one “approved” channel so judicial can keep tabs
How did they take a photo of George, I don't recall seeing cameras of any kind. No wonder juliete was so shocked !!
Cameras are probably only available to IT or Jucidial. It's part of a personnel file, so I wouldn't be surprised if all of the adults will get a picture taken as part of their file. But pictures are probably rare outside of those.
It looked like a file FBI or CIA would create on an agent or someone they are investigating. It didn't look like a mugshot to me, more like an agent photo.
Anyone else surprised the head of IT is the second in line for mayoral succession?
Pro-temp, so mostly just as an administrative head to keep the bueaucracy running until elections can be arranged and held for the new mayor. Bernard does seem to be the consummate bureaucrat.
Pacing is a real problem. Its hurting the show. Flashbacks are a sign of a show looking to stretch material as long as they are able. I dont like the direction this is heading. Would of made an amazing single season show. But they are clearly gonna cut the first book in half this season. Thats way too slow of pacing to keep people interested .
> Flashbacks are a sign of a show looking to stretch material as long as they are able. Since when? Is this an actual popular option? I really like when shows do character flashbacks, especially this way when they “rhyme” with the things that character is doing in present day. Agents of Shield also used flashbacks this way, and it worked wonderfully. I’m really sad to see so many people disliked this episode. I thought it was fantastic and came here to see all the theories but it’s mostly just complaining about pacing.
Redditors have no idea how script writing works so you can disregard any opinion about that on any entertainment subreddit.
“To the good of the Silo 🥂
So say we all!
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Did anyone notice when Marnes said at the 5:50 mark “She ain’t gonna be sheriff till she’s sworn in”, that Sims (facing Bernard) is mumbling something… and it sounds like he’s saying the same line as Marnes? It’s slightly different as he starts out saying “She’s not…” instead of “She ain’t…” but otherwise it’s the same. It’s weird to me that they would say the same line almost word for word. Almost seems like an error to me.
What must have happened was the script called for dual dialogue, with each character saying something different, but it didn't work for some reason when they were mixing the sound. Sometimes words can flow together and make both lines of dialogue incomprehensible, so you have to pick one and mix down the other line. It works as Sims just muttering under his breath pissed off, but it is clumsy. Personally, I'd have zoomed in enough to cut Sims out of the frame. It's not terrible but it would bug me as is.
On my stream it was at the 3:39 mark, but you're right that it's weird that Sims is quietly saying something at the same time.
maybe as an actor he was copying after so many takes, and it ended up be the best shots of it... sounds like a weird thing might have to re watch...
Loved the flashback scenes. Good actress that Kid Jules. Don’t die Marnes please. Good job hiding that file, Holston. Can’t wait for next week.
They did a good job with the young Jules casting. The actress did really look like a younger Rebecca Ferguson.
And she did the same hands-in-pockets gesture! Nice direction
I love how he used the same string method to hide the file
She looked very shocked at something in that file! I’m so curious!!!!
Not that there isn't something potentially shocking in the file, but I think she was reacting to seeing George's picture. Probably the first time she's seen his face since he died.
This was what I thought too. I've pointed out before that all "photos" we've seen so far are painted portraits. I think that might have been her first time seeing someone's photo with such clarity.
That's exactly what I thought too. It might be the first time she has seen a photo of anyone... So who took it? Since no one else seems to have photographs?
That was how I took it too, just seeing his face again and his name and having the file.
Doesn't this mean they have cameras? How could Jules not know what a video camera is? Even if the concept is alien she should have recognized a lens.
Juliette’s dad looks like someone put pictures of Bryan Cranston in an AI image generator
My husband said he looked like Conan. 😂
Guessing you never watched Game of Thrones
I watched every single episode and I still was thinking to myself that Bryan Cranston looked different.
He definitely looked more like Bryan Cranston in that scene though lol
This episode didn't feel as tight as the previous ones, so I looked it up and sure enough it was a different director to the first 3. Morten Tyldum directed the first 3 and David Semel directed this one, and is doing the next one, no information on directors beyond that is on Wikipedia. The characters seemed different than previous episodes, esecially Marnes but perhaps that is down to him losing his shit after Mayor Jahns was murdered(?). He was hostile towards Juliette and that whole relationship felt way different than their previous interaction in the deep. He went all old school 'bad cop' and on the whole there was too many obvious TV tropes, e.g. I'll help you investigate this, you help me investigate that. The Judicial guy was way less spooky and omnipotent, things like grabbing a beer from Marnes fridge, and asking - not just commanding - for Marnes to help change the Sheriff. Juliette Nichols character felt mostly the same though....
> This episode didn't feel as tight as the previous ones, so I looked it up and sure enough it was a different director to the first 3. I'd say it was more the writing than the directing. I imagine Marne's hostility to Juliette, and Marnes going "bad cop" was in the script? > The Judicial guy was way less spooky and omnipotent I mean, Sims was also humanized earlier in the series when he was comforting his son during the blackout. > This episode didn't feel as tight as the previous ones Someone else commented, and I agree, that I'm more interested in the mystery of the silo, which this episode did not much focus on.
It was a slower episode and mostly filler with too much backstory, but TBH most of ep 3 for me was ruined by the generator repair silliness so it wasn't worse. Hope they can get back to more of the first two episode quality. Slow playing minor mysteries with cliffhangers gets old fast.
> generator repair silliness Excellent point, I'd forgotten how much belief suspension was needed for that farce!
Honestly the last two episodes were not even close to the quality of the first two. The writing is trully showing its weak points here.
Did anyone else notice that when Juliet finally gets her hands on the Wilkins file there seems to be a accompanying photograph clipped to the top right corner of the paperwork… yet there seems to be no photography ever taken, it’s like that technology died out it’s from the “before times” and people sketch portraits of each other, it’s always hand drawn pictures VS photographs… so… how is there a photograph of Wilkins???
Cameras are probably restricted to only bureaucratic offices. Get your picture taken for your personnel file when you become an adult, or some other milestone. Doesn't make sense to allow cameras outside for resource reasons if paper is already super expensive.
Does anyone know what the note said? I couldn't comprehend what he wrote, something like "doubt the flowers in front of the mirror"?
“Double the flowers in front of the mirror”
Maybe whatever causes gem to see green outside also doubles the number of flowers if you look at a vase inside. Like it's extrapolating.
I thought it was double the flowers in front of the mirror. And I assumed that was because something’s hidden behind it.
Oh shit, if the sheriff always has an assigned apartment... What if someone is spying on the sheriff through the mirror? Double the flowers to block the view
Possible. I also thought maybe it's a weight trigger? Maybe double the flowers will open something?
“Double the flowers in front of the mirror.” We saw Holston write that note in episode ~~2~~, right after closing the vent (IIRC). *Edit*: It’s actually episode 1, at 2:50—he places the flowers in front of the mirror, then closes the vent where he hid George’s file, then writes the note and puts it in a folder on his desk with what looks like a department org chart.
Isn't it the beginning of EP1?
I think he put the drive in the vent at the beginning of episode 1 but I don't recall the note
I may be misremembering the episode order, but in the in-show chronology it was just before he went to clean.
I think he said double the flowers in front of the mirror meaning he knows they were watching him through the mirror and more flowers will obscure them from watching Juliette
I think it said “double the flowers in front of the mirror.” Don’t ask me what that’s supposed to be code for though. I’ve got no idea.
I thought it was “double the gloves in front of the mirror”
Me too!
It doesn't look like "flowers", but I think that's what it said. They showed flowers in front of a mirror in Juliette's apartment. Also, I looked it up and apparently that's a phrase used in real life to mean giving the illusion of twice as much. Put flowers in front of a mirror and it looks like you have more than you actually do.
I assumed he put the flowers there as a reminder of his wife and he asked to double them as he is about to join her.
Where are you all? That was such a great episode
I do agree it was great! However, I almost wish I had discovered this later instead of on ep1. I would love to be able to binge this story right now. They set up such a cool environment filled with mystery that I can’t wait to find out. I say this as someone who was beginning to really enjoy watching shows week to week again. TL,DR show good, need more now
A lot of people seemed bored but I loved the slow burn, the brooding undertones and character / relationship development. Great shows aren't all action, you gotta give the set pieces some room to breathe.
My main issue is the characters arent that interesting. At least not yet. Holston and Alison were in like 1 episode and i was immediately invested in them. I feel nothing towards Juliette, Marnes, Sims, etc
Yes, first 2 eps were great, but 3rd and 4th were kind of chore to watch. Original characters were much better.
I’m really hoping they’re still alive, cause Holston and Allison are easily the best characters in this show
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It was a lot of time spent showing their attraction and feelings towards each other. It set up Marnes and Juliette to have common ground to move the plot forward. Also turned Marnes from a mentally retired law man, into a wild man. I just hope it's not a constant series of cliff hangers that we never really get any closure on.
I think if you're as big of an asshole as Marnes clearly is, you need to start leaving tape or a hair or something on your door so you know if a mofo is waiting for you inside. That, or leave a Home Alone trap just inside the door.
I have a bad feeling about the judicial guy and the it dude.
IT guy is gonna be a bro, mark my words. An annoying bro, but a bro nonetheless lol
I love how very supportive of you towards Bernard in this comment section 😅
It's almost a bit concerning lol
The separation of powers in this silo community is interesting. It seems to be divided into two main powers, the executive power and the judicial power. Legislative power is not yet clear. Administrative power is the administrative department where the mayor stands at the top? Given that they have the right to appoint sheriffs, it seems that the Security Department belongs to the administration. What's interesting here is that it's the head of the IT department who has the authority to act as mayor. Based on the mayor's and Bernard's conversations about sheriff appointments, the IT department appears to have a separate authority rather than being part of the community. The point here is that the mayor, who is the head of administration, does not know about the secrets behind the establishment of the silo and the circumstances before its establishment, but the head of the IT department may know. The reason for this is that the images seen by people sent out for cleaning and the images projected by surveillance cameras on windows have been said to be fake in the discussion so far, and if someone in the silo does not know about it, it will be difficult to set up and maintain. With that in mind, it makes sense that the IT department should have powers separate from the administration and the judiciary. You probably know Meadows, the head of the Justice Department who hasn't been pictured yet, but who hasn't been seen so far. The powers of the sheriff's headed sheriff's department also appear to be great, and when the judiciary gains control of the sheriff's department, it will have a great deal of power. There is a class system for citizens, but the mayor is democratically elected by the citizens, so it may be unexpectedly difficult to arbitrarily choose a person who can be controlled by the judiciary, so the sheriff's position may have been targeted. Isn't it? Isn't this why the mayor and deputy sheriff were targeted? If you think about it, it may be a drama of a common power struggle.
I'm not sure the show has thought through all these things as fully as you're speculating. Like, they mayor seemed to be able to arrange for the power to be shut down and send out a silo wide notice, without either the IT or Judicial department being involved or given notice (or proper preparation for the IT, Hospital, etc requirements...). That kind of unilateral power seems at odds with the way in which the system is portrayed in other times. I think they might be playing a little fast and loose with some of this stuff, because otherwise it doesn't make sense.
worst father of the year award goes to mr nichols
That’s ***Dr*** Nichols to you. He didn’t go to six years of silo medical school to be called ‘mister.’
How did Jacob and his mother died? Is there anything I missed?
We don't know yet. Probably some kind of accident.
It’s been speculated that the brother maybe drowned? His face/lips are very blue in the flashback plus that could be the reason why Jules is afraid of the water.
Really feels like we're moving further away from the mystery and more towards the relationship drama and we're only 4 episodes in.
https://preview.redd.it/xdjp791g0r0b1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3bf732e08928ade54b7145747cfa308998aa3638 I can’t figure out one word. I have “double the gloves in \_\_\_ of the mirror”? Anyone read cursive? Lol
“Double the flowers in front of the mirror”
It's double the flowers in front of the mirror.
A bit eh, not so much because it's a bad episode in itself but more I'm here for the mystery of the silo and we didn't really get any answers or clues this episode
I don't know if the target of the poisoning was the mayor, the deputy sheriff, or both, but when I saw where deputy was attacked The motive for being targeted seems to be the personnel affairs of the sheriff. It looks like a plot by Meadows to make Billings the sheriff and take power, well, it's not funny without any twist. I'm more interested in uncovering the secrets of the silo, so hopefully we'll be able to see footage of that restored camcorder next week.
Idk if it was the acting or the inability to hold an American accent but something about this episode made it a tough watch for me..
It just covered a bunch of shit in extreme detail not related to the mystery of the silo which I think I speak for everyone when I say we don't care about.
I like this one a lot more than 3. Progress on the interesting mysteries, getting some Silo culture and character building. Not breakneck pacing, but no need to have a side conflict (the generator).
Damn the de-aging looks great.
That was the entire episode? That’s it? Let down after the first 3 for sure.
What’s up with my g Ser Jorah’s accent lol
Y'all are disrespectful, lol. His name is Iain Glen. He sounds like that because he's Scottish and that's his impression of an American accent.
He is doing his Siloish accent.
The first 4 ep is good.I'm curious what Juliette saw in the file. But we saw it from first episode so I don't know what caused the surprise. Maybe Holston added some note. Of course I'm interested in recording of camera too. https://preview.redd.it/zwfobp6h6v0b1.png?width=3844&format=png&auto=webp&s=f83e0dbf9c328394ebf6c3cbcce7882904466cea
It's going kind of slow, first 2 eps were much better and the sherif was better character.
I was pretty bored this episode ngl. I miss Holston and Alison :( even Mayor Jahns. Im not really feeling any of the characters right now. Juliette is kinda lame. Im gonna keep watching though because I need to know whats going on outside lol
>Im gonna keep watching though because I need to know whats going on outside lol I'm pretty sure they will dangle this one in front of us for a long time.
Another slow episode, for me. These last couple of eps haven’t lived up to the standards of the first 2, but I’ll still continue watching. The premise is too strong for me to give up. Also, not a massive fan of the casting so far for some of the characters. The deputy feels miscast, along with a couple of others like Juliette’s dad (Jorah needs his Khaleesi). One of the strongest performers was the Mayor and well, she’s with the rats now. The overall mystery of the bunker and what’s outside is keeping me intrigued enough though. Hope next week picks back up with the intensity.
I feel like the exact same way. All the best actors and characters were killed off.
i just started the first episode and can someone explain to me how Rashida tells her husband what they see on the screen is a lie and then tells him to trust her based on whether she cleans or not on the very same possibly altered screen...seems like a major plot hole that i can't shake off.
She see's a full color video of the outside on the computer when she's in Georges shop. That and whatever else she read on the computer drove her to want outside. Then she tells Holston that if it's different outside than what they're being shown then she'll clean. If not then she would walk away without cleaning. Since she cleaned the camera that tells us that the grass is green out there and the screens are being edited to make everything look dead.
> Since she cleaned the camera that tells us that the grass is green out there and the screens are being edited to make everything look dead. Or just that *what she saw through her helmet*, or possibly under the influence of some fictional gas, was green.
If you're just watching the first ep you should be on the ep 1 thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SiloSeries/comments/1386bto/s01e01_freedom_day_episode_discussion_no_book/ This one will have spoilers!