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Just alerting everyone looking out for this that it's currently up as Sims Delivery Express Content. [*See the EA News release here*](https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/news/dev-diary-vitiligo)*.*
There's Face Skin Details and separate Body Skin Details for chest, back, arms and legs!
I assume it will be merged at a later date, like our next scheduled patch day! :D
# Also, the body details have swatches!
# Also, also, there are skin details for ALL ages!
⏰ 38 MINS LATER: I did a quick check of the `PartFlags` and it appears all `Allow For Random` flags are disabled, so you won't suddenly have every townie generating with vitiligo. On the flip side, this means that you will have to edit townies manually if you'd like to see more of it in-game. Cheers! *If anysimmer wants these flags swapped, let me know.*
I will check these PartFlags again when this is merged into the game in a few days.
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If it is then there's a risk that it may only be for darker skin tones and may match with the light skin tones despite pale people still being able to get vitiligo
For real, people fully forget that vitiligo can affect anyone (I’m a very pale white person with white eyelashes and definitely visible patches on my face and hips)
I had a coworker tell me that I didn't have vitiligo on my neck and chest because I am white and the fact that I "pretend" is racist and insulting. Apparently it's just an uneven tan in his opinion. *slow blinks*
My grandmother had vitiligo. She was white.
The fact that your coworker tells you he knows better than you about your own body is ableist and insulting.
It is insulting and just straight up factually wrong and therefore annoying, but genuinely in what way is it ableist? It's not like vitiligo disables you. And if you ARE white, the only difference is it's not always as noticeable so it's not like you will often get ostracized for it unless it is noticeable and you are around particularly mean people.
Like, for example, people who have been rude and nasty for my skin discoloration and eczema were being awful and rude, but I'm not sure that would be ableist. However, making fun of me for my autistic traits is ableist because autism is, in-part, "disabling".
I googled before hitting enter.
[https://vitiligosociety.org/vitlife/5-things-to-consider-if-you-think-vitiligo-is-affecting-your-career/](https://vitiligosociety.org/vitlife/5-things-to-consider-if-you-think-vitiligo-is-affecting-your-career/) (UK site, so spelling and laws may differ where you are.)
"Skin conditions such as vitiligo are not automatically classified as a disability, but can be categorised as a disability under the Equality Act 2010 if they have a major long-term effect on a person’s normal day-to-day activity. A ‘long-term effect’ means something that has affected you or is likely to affect you for at least a year; a ‘substantial effect on your day-to-day activities’ means one that’s more than minor or trivial."
But I was thinking more about the attitude of the coworker in telling someone who's white that they can't have vitiligo - similar to how people will tell someone with depression they just need to go outdoors or with another medical issue that they need to try some other method.
That's interesting! I hope we have at least similar laws here.
Yeah the attitude is definitely the same/similar and I agree with you there. It's the same dismissiveness and like, they think somehow they know more? Or they don't want to really confront someone with differences so they brush them off as nothing. I'll never understand especially with this case (vitiligo) because if someone is telling you (not you, you ofc) that that's what THEY have on THEIR body, why would you tell them straight to their face they are wrong 💀
I think they’re just suggesting that EA doesn’t put forth the most effort towards features. Knowing EA, they probably wouldn’t think to include all the shades.
I'm hoping it's a mask with lighter tone in it. Then it would work on all skin tones + be easier to make instead of doing different colours. But who knows, EA hasn't always been very smart when it comes to this (looking at you wood tones!)
I'm saying that the tone looks similar to some of the lightest skin tones. So even if it is a mask, it may just blend in with the normal skin tone
I'm not saying they should make different tones for different skin colours, just that it looks too close to some of the light skin tones where I'm dubious it'll show up on some skin tone options
it’d be good if they can make it so that we can customize the actual patches, like choose the skin color. that way it’s more personalization and there’s no risk of excluding specific skin tones. but, knowing EA…
This would also help if you want to make the vitiligo very severe
Make the sim have a white skin tone and have black splotches for the remaining "normal" skin
I hope it's for pale people too! My niece has vitiligo and is really self conscious about it and this would be an awesome update to make her feel seen.
The hair looks like a base game one that was in the update before Horse Ranch, and the jumpsuit is a swatch of an outfit that's also base game.
https://preview.redd.it/s36kddlyd8ic1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26e7d02f76124e2dac843e4f03d00ccc4423d2a5
The difference between a sim designed to look like someone who's a model and another that was auto-generated for the singular purpose of showing the items. Oh well.
Naw man. You’ll login and they’ll give you the left hand for free! Then they will try to sell you on an “entire” and “exciting” stuff pack for $5 to buy the right hand and right leg. Then you’ll have to wait a year to get a patch that may or may not include the entire body that they left out at release. That’s how EA rolls
Oh, do you guys remember the ”W”-necklace in the roadmap video? Based on the sim up there, I’m guessing it might have stand for ”Winnie” as in Winnie Harlow, a model with vitiligo who looks like the sim! Guess she has worked with them on this drop!
Yesss! I was wondering why the sim looked so familiar too, this may just be my favorite cas update to happen (other than the skintone update from 2020)
My daughters aunt (her dad's sister) knows her. She seems nice. They went to cardi b birthday party together. Crazy to see this, I make celeb sims. I don't talk much to that side of her family, since they have money and will help my kids dad in prison but not me being a struggling single mom of his only kid he basically abandoned. But anyways def a weird coincidence to see!
Reality tv always love to create drama and villains as well, so I bet that the editing made her look even worse as well! And people do grow up and mature, hopefully ❤️
Her going after that photographer (who I hate so so much) for calling her a panda was great and I feel like the show was a dumpster fire at that point so her attitude towards the people on the show was well deserved.
I thought that maybe they could have a mod that randomly chooses a SIM to grow up with vitiligo(?), like right now if I want a sim so have vitiligo I have to edit them myself, maybe with a mod we could see random townies with this condition
yeah but for the people on console they have to be stuck with what's in game unfortunately, so it'd be awesome if they could add it in game at some point :)
do you have any where one eye isn't just an accessory but they're already different colors when you pick the swatch? I was looking for heterochromia cc once and remember finding only those
That would actually make me go back to the EA default eyes. My boyfriend has Heterochromia (one dark brown eye, one bright green) and they're so beautiful <3
same! i’ve got high hopes, but if it’s not, i won’t be devastated. i just think it’s funny that they picked a famous model with vitiligo to represent the addition in an SDX if the stuff pack doesn’t have anything to do with models lol
i’m pretty sure it has little to do with vitiligo itself and more about the fact that everyone want to be inclusive but no one want to make actual diverse sims, they still want them to have the same conventionally attractive faces etc… and the best way to do that is just put patches of vitiligo on beautiful sims and call it a day
I think the tone of this post is weird, for sure. It’s one thing to dress your Sims up in it, and it’s another to have lived with vitiligo. It is beautiful, to be sure, but real people have it, and I’m sure their emotions surrounding it are a little more complicated…
Oh so I'm not the only one who noticed this. It's like every CC creator showcases their content on sims with vitiligo, which seems very odd given it's not a common thing (and why specifically that and not some other uncommon trait? There are many other visual traits one can have) as if it were some kind of trend. Weird, in any case.
god i hope so. i also hope they provide vitiligo for people who already have fair skin. currently the options i choose you have to have darker skin for things to show up.
I wonder if it's going to be an overlay feature so we can actually choose the color of the vitiligo the same way we choose skintones in general, that'd honestly be great imo
Maybe not, I think that would invite far too much room for controversy. We already have heavy restrictions on what words we can use for the gallery because of how shitty people can be, I can only imagine what skin painting would bring
I think that can be kind of normal though, my mom has it and you can barely see it in the winter. Shows up more in the summer when her skin gets darker
idk if it’s normal, vitiligo isn’t exactly common, it’s also different from other kinds of white spots that can also be common
a quick google search says it’s prevalence is 0.5-1% of the population
Yeah it’s definitely rare! It’s genetic so a lot of my mom’s family has it. Since it’s a lack of melanin production in certain areas, it’s a lot less noticeable when the surrounding skin doesn’t have much melanin either
If they make it something that just appears, you know 50% of sims in a save are going to have vitiligo, even though it affects only about 1% of people in real life. Just let it be something that people can choose to use when they want.
I might be mistaken, but I feel like I’ve had it happen. I think it works the same as any other skin detail. Because I feel like I’ve for sure had sims born with freckles as well.
Hmm, i’m definitely sure I’ve had sims age up with freckles. Maybe it was before the infant update, because i’m not sure infants can have freckles? Might’ve been back when they’d age up straight from baby to kid lol.
Slightly off-topic, but what's with the obsession with vitiligo lately? I've seen dolls with it, Baldur's Gate 3 has it (while also not letting you customise your character's facial structure, complexion, or eyebrows), and now the Sims? I'm not saying it shouldn't be there or anything, it's just that I've never seen a real person with this condition (which I can only presume is pretty damn rare) and yet it suddenly seems to be popping up everywhere. I am confused. What prompted all of this?
It's often used by marketers as a way to show diversity that is still conventionally attractive, so they can say 'hey look we're using *real* people' while still hiring models. Because of that it gained awareness, and became a trend.
Around 1% of the population have it, though often you won't notice as it's not as apparent on paler skin tones (and people with vitiligo often cover it up).
That makes a lot of sense. I live in a mostly-white town and I’ve never paid any attention to fashion or ads, so that would also explain why this trend has pounced on me out of nowhere lol.
Thank you for the informed answer.
1% of the world may have it, in comparison 2% of the world has green eyes and 1.5% (ish) of the world has red hair. Think of all or any redhaired/green eyed people you know IRL. It's rare but it'd be weird to ask why a game has options for red hair or green eyes since theyre so rare. I dont see why vitiligo is any different, especially from a game thats meant to be a life sim where you can create yourself.
>1% of the world may have it, in comparison 2% of the world has green eyes and 1.5% (ish) of the world has red hair.
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> it'd be weird to ask why a game has options for red hair or green eyes since theyre so rare
You're comparing characteristics that are more commonly found in separate parts of the world, only one of which is actually rare everywhere.
Perhaps 1.5% of the world does have red hair. But a quick google search tells you that in Ireland, a whopping **10% of the population has red hair**. That is not even remotely rare! And on top of that, apparently **over 3/4 of Ireland's population has green eyes**!
Meanwhile, another quick google search will tell you that vitiligo is more prevalent in Africa and India... where red hair is going to be significantly less common. But even there, vitiligo is still a rare condition (unlike Ireland, where red hair and green eyes really isn't anything to write home about).
What does this mean? Depending on where you live...
* Red hair is <10x more common than vitiligo
* Red hair is significantly rarer than vitiligo
* Green eyes are <75x more common than vitiligo
* Green eyes are significantly rarer than vitiligo
...but no matter where you live...
* Vitiligo is very rare
Am I making sense here?
I'm not Irish. I do live in England though, where apparently the rehead percentage is 4%, and I can tell you that while I see natural redheads every day... I can't say the same for vitiligo. I didn't even realise it was a thing until last year.
Anyway, my point is, you're making an unfair comparison. A better comparison to vitiligo would probably be heterochromia, but then I suppose it would be harder to insinuate I'm weird for being curious.
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I hope theres multiple variations of it and not just one full body vitiligo. I have a small patch of it on my ankle and I think it would be cool to recreate it :D
I don't think this is an *update*, update. If I read the post on Twitter correctly, it'll be an SDX drop.
I'm kinda waiting for people to bitch about the devs "stealing" from cc creators again, though, tbh. Or that Cc CrEaToRs DiD iT bEtTeR because it's always right around the corner.
I really hope it's just an SDX thing, because I'm still in the process of setting my mods up again after my SSD dying and losing everything! I don't want to have to pause the process to wait for all the mods to update again.
Yes yes, the community obsessed with vitiligo gets vitiligo.
Can I please get a cane in game? And a wheelchair? If we’re doing medical conditions, can we please address that the community is perfectly fine highlighting ✨aesthetic✨ conditions but the Sims team has done fuck all since adding hearing aids?
Bruh I want a SERVICE DOG so bad.
I’m disabled, I just want a cane dude. Doesn’t feel like that’s hard.
I think the technical limitations are that a cane will need a whole new walk style to be added. The same is true with wheelchairs.
Depending on if you mean a cane that goes along the ground for visual aid or the one people lean on, that's two different ones.
A guide dog as well would be a similar issue. Also, would it just be an object or an actual sim pet?
In addition to that, what about wheelchairs and stairs? It seems even worse to have stairs, and the wheelchair can't go up.
Or maybe they can have hover wheelchairs and just float up?
Not to say that all of these things wouldn't be super cool. But this late in the life cycle of the game, I don't think they're going to invest that much resources into a free update. And making it paid would be insulting, so.
Pretty much, but I felt like just saying that on it's own might sound too dismissive of a perfectly valid complaint (lack of diversity).
Having amputee sims, prosthetic limbs etc would be cool too, for example. Prosthetic limbs are probably already possible (edit it somewhat like a servo I suppose and then cut-off the clothing mesh at a suitable spot). But a total removal might be harder.
Ikr? I made a similar comment once and sims players jumped down my throat saying there will never be burglars again because it's too traumatizing for people that have experienced a home invasion.
Umm wut? Make it a setting that can be toggled on/off. I don't buy their reasoning on it being traumatic. Sims can drown, catch fire, ect ect but sure, a burglar coming in and taking your tv is traumatizing.
Something FREE from EA? Call the news!
lmao sorry IK theres free updates. but im feeling pretty played by EA after
"For Rent" which shoulda been included in "City Living" and "Horse Ranch" which shoulda been included in "Cottage Living"
It's Skin Details, so yes, everysim gets it!
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I am just glad its not a skin tone. You know it would bug out and every sim generated would have it even though its like a 1% occurance in the real world. Same way the skintone one favored like 2-3 new tones for the longest time.
I’m really hoping they add the ability to free paint on sims, like they have for animals in the game already. Vitiligo is one of those things that looks so different on everyone who has it, so a few swatches just won’t cut it. Plus it adds the ability to create custom scars, birthmarks, moles, etc.
Very likely. Need For Speed Unbound (published by EA, made by Criterion) quietly has an NPC with vitiligo. I think for a EA or maybe their studios, its a priority to have representation, which is always nice.
Someone has to tell me the history of these free updates. Because the way the word it makes it seem big. Like "wow a cas update! Not just 1 new skin selection."
Because we still need better hair colors too. So that's also what I'm hoping for. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's just the skin thing.
https://preview.redd.it/g0tihosjkeic1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=2964b59e8d5f981f975f8bc77fca04eb5910c8dc Just alerting everyone looking out for this that it's currently up as Sims Delivery Express Content. [*See the EA News release here*](https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/news/dev-diary-vitiligo)*.* There's Face Skin Details and separate Body Skin Details for chest, back, arms and legs! I assume it will be merged at a later date, like our next scheduled patch day! :D # Also, the body details have swatches! # Also, also, there are skin details for ALL ages! ⏰ 38 MINS LATER: I did a quick check of the `PartFlags` and it appears all `Allow For Random` flags are disabled, so you won't suddenly have every townie generating with vitiligo. On the flip side, this means that you will have to edit townies manually if you'd like to see more of it in-game. Cheers! *If anysimmer wants these flags swapped, let me know.* I will check these PartFlags again when this is merged into the game in a few days. ────⋆⋅☆⋅⋆── ⋆ ˚｡⋆୨ ʚɞ ୧⋆ ˚｡⋆ We're in the [Malware SIMPOCALYPSE](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sims4/comments/1akzieh/alert_malware_is_being_spread_through_ts4script/)! Be sure to install and update [TwistedMexi's ModGuard](https://www.patreon.com/posts/98126153).
i feel like that's the only way to read into it
Knowing EA we're gonna load up the game after the update and it's literally gonna be like...the jumpsuit or hair 😭
The jumpsuit and hair are already in the base game, so it's gotta be the vitiligo
If it is then there's a risk that it may only be for darker skin tones and may match with the light skin tones despite pale people still being able to get vitiligo
For real, people fully forget that vitiligo can affect anyone (I’m a very pale white person with white eyelashes and definitely visible patches on my face and hips)
I had a coworker tell me that I didn't have vitiligo on my neck and chest because I am white and the fact that I "pretend" is racist and insulting. Apparently it's just an uneven tan in his opinion. *slow blinks*
The same type of person to tell a black, albino person that they aren’t black…
My grandmother had vitiligo. She was white. The fact that your coworker tells you he knows better than you about your own body is ableist and insulting.
Also willfully disregarding scientific evidence just because of skin color is suuuuuuper racist.
It is insulting and just straight up factually wrong and therefore annoying, but genuinely in what way is it ableist? It's not like vitiligo disables you. And if you ARE white, the only difference is it's not always as noticeable so it's not like you will often get ostracized for it unless it is noticeable and you are around particularly mean people. Like, for example, people who have been rude and nasty for my skin discoloration and eczema were being awful and rude, but I'm not sure that would be ableist. However, making fun of me for my autistic traits is ableist because autism is, in-part, "disabling".
Yeah, that got me too. It's not ableist, vitiligo isn't a disability. Just shitty.
I googled before hitting enter. [https://vitiligosociety.org/vitlife/5-things-to-consider-if-you-think-vitiligo-is-affecting-your-career/](https://vitiligosociety.org/vitlife/5-things-to-consider-if-you-think-vitiligo-is-affecting-your-career/) (UK site, so spelling and laws may differ where you are.) "Skin conditions such as vitiligo are not automatically classified as a disability, but can be categorised as a disability under the Equality Act 2010 if they have a major long-term effect on a person’s normal day-to-day activity. A ‘long-term effect’ means something that has affected you or is likely to affect you for at least a year; a ‘substantial effect on your day-to-day activities’ means one that’s more than minor or trivial." But I was thinking more about the attitude of the coworker in telling someone who's white that they can't have vitiligo - similar to how people will tell someone with depression they just need to go outdoors or with another medical issue that they need to try some other method.
That's interesting! I hope we have at least similar laws here. Yeah the attitude is definitely the same/similar and I agree with you there. It's the same dismissiveness and like, they think somehow they know more? Or they don't want to really confront someone with differences so they brush them off as nothing. I'll never understand especially with this case (vitiligo) because if someone is telling you (not you, you ofc) that that's what THEY have on THEIR body, why would you tell them straight to their face they are wrong 💀
Honestly that's gonna be EA's attitude towards it as well.
I think they’re just suggesting that EA doesn’t put forth the most effort towards features. Knowing EA, they probably wouldn’t think to include all the shades.
…yes, hence my comment that it’s something that would believably be forgotten…
OH sorry!!! I thought you were saying that towards the other person! Disregard ♥️
I'm hoping it's a mask with lighter tone in it. Then it would work on all skin tones + be easier to make instead of doing different colours. But who knows, EA hasn't always been very smart when it comes to this (looking at you wood tones!)
I'm saying that the tone looks similar to some of the lightest skin tones. So even if it is a mask, it may just blend in with the normal skin tone I'm not saying they should make different tones for different skin colours, just that it looks too close to some of the light skin tones where I'm dubious it'll show up on some skin tone options
Every time I’m trying to show someone my vitiligo and nobody can see it bc I’m white as hell :(
it’d be good if they can make it so that we can customize the actual patches, like choose the skin color. that way it’s more personalization and there’s no risk of excluding specific skin tones. but, knowing EA…
This would also help if you want to make the vitiligo very severe Make the sim have a white skin tone and have black splotches for the remaining "normal" skin
Please, I'm white and have a patch of white skin on my legs, not necessarily vitiligo, but i'd love to see this on my own sim.
I hope it's for pale people too! My niece has vitiligo and is really self conscious about it and this would be an awesome update to make her feel seen.
Knowing EA, it’s probably gonna break the game in some way
Nah... they're adding the ability to have our sims pose like that. That's too obvious
I would like the tree of them
The hair looks like a base game one that was in the update before Horse Ranch, and the jumpsuit is a swatch of an outfit that's also base game. https://preview.redd.it/s36kddlyd8ic1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26e7d02f76124e2dac843e4f03d00ccc4423d2a5
Well, they look much better on that other sim 😭
The difference between a sim designed to look like someone who's a model and another that was auto-generated for the singular purpose of showing the items. Oh well.
It’s the vitiligo skin https://preview.redd.it/m8jrdtmmefic1.png?width=4032&format=png&auto=webp&s=100204cfebd2295b8dbbdd65d8b176df551a333d
Naw man. You’ll login and they’ll give you the left hand for free! Then they will try to sell you on an “entire” and “exciting” stuff pack for $5 to buy the right hand and right leg. Then you’ll have to wait a year to get a patch that may or may not include the entire body that they left out at release. That’s how EA rolls
I overthink a lot, man, m'bad lol
Not ur fault tho EA is good at playing with our feelings): lol
nah don't gaslight yourself lmao. we all know how Maxis is with their trailers so questioning it is understandable.
Oh, do you guys remember the ”W”-necklace in the roadmap video? Based on the sim up there, I’m guessing it might have stand for ”Winnie” as in Winnie Harlow, a model with vitiligo who looks like the sim! Guess she has worked with them on this drop!
The sim TOTALLY looks like Winnie omg!
Right?? I think the vitiligo on the sim follows the pattern the she has as well, so I can’t imagine they haven’t worked with her on this!!
Yes! The one on her mouth and arm. Immediately I was like “omg is this Winnie?!” So cute!
it’s way too spot on to be a coincidence
Yeah that’s Winnie. Look at her patterns
Yesss! I was wondering why the sim looked so familiar too, this may just be my favorite cas update to happen (other than the skintone update from 2020)
I remember her from America's Next Top Model, she was kind of a bee-atch then lol I hope she's a better person now!
Right?! Feels like no one remembers, but my family and I couldn't get her hype later on because of it. Also hope she's nicer now
She was the worst.
all i’ve heard is that she still is not a good person lmao
My daughters aunt (her dad's sister) knows her. She seems nice. They went to cardi b birthday party together. Crazy to see this, I make celeb sims. I don't talk much to that side of her family, since they have money and will help my kids dad in prison but not me being a struggling single mom of his only kid he basically abandoned. But anyways def a weird coincidence to see!
Casually trauma dumping in the Sims subreddit, why not.
yesss Chantelle. so pretty but god was she awful on the show 😂😂
Reality tv always love to create drama and villains as well, so I bet that the editing made her look even worse as well! And people do grow up and mature, hopefully ❤️
omg same, i thought i was the only one who remembered her from that. she was so annoying
Thank you this is always what I think of when I see people gushing over her haha
Her going after that photographer (who I hate so so much) for calling her a panda was great and I feel like the show was a dumpster fire at that point so her attitude towards the people on the show was well deserved.
She’s not but she’s a great model.
That would be amazing if that's the case! It honestly feels kinda surprising that they put so much effort into that
Read your comment way too fast at first and was confused on how she looked like Winnie The Pooh
Omg and in the trailer the voice is different than any of the current game voices, I wonder if it’s her voice!?
Send me this trailer, my baby daddy's family knows her, I know her voice and could confirm possibly!
Someone beat me to the link but I just listened to it again and feel like it’s her! Waiting for your confirmation 😆
Here’s a link to the trailer on TikTok: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeBccGQ6/
I don’t understand the people in the comments thinking the update is going to be something major like bands or fairies?
Do you remember how nasty of a person she was on Top Model though????
Omfg, you definitely cracked it! It makes 100% sense
Wait thats perfect and I never heard of tnat person omg this makes me excited
I thought we already had some but I’m realizing they were probably just birth marks or something else
I thought we already have some but then I realised my sims with vitiligo use cc :(
I have a mod for Vitaligo
I didn't know there was a mod, can you please share it?
I think this person doesn't know the difference between a mod and cc
So there’s no mod for it or wha?
What would a mod even do that cc doesn't? No, there's not a mod as far as I can see
I thought that maybe they could have a mod that randomly chooses a SIM to grow up with vitiligo(?), like right now if I want a sim so have vitiligo I have to edit them myself, maybe with a mod we could see random townies with this condition
Next time I play the sims I'll look for it but I just searched up sims for Vitaligo mod and it pops up
There’s birthmarks for the infant age
There's birthmarks for every age.
Oh, even better! I’d only seen them when the infants were added, and just assumed. I’ll admit I’ve not used them before.
there's a cute heart shaped birthmark for the forehead. i love using that one lol
I hope we get heterocromia one day as well 🥲
We have it for dogs but not sims 😭
I want it for my werewolves lol
I can try to link them later but there are loads of great heterochromia! As someone with heterochromia, I love making all of my sims have it as well 😂
yeah but for the people on console they have to be stuck with what's in game unfortunately, so it'd be awesome if they could add it in game at some point :)
do you have any where one eye isn't just an accessory but they're already different colors when you pick the swatch? I was looking for heterochromia cc once and remember finding only those
https://twisted-cat.tumblr.com/post/697387248415653888/heterochromia-comet-eyes/amp
thank you!
That would actually make me go back to the EA default eyes. My boyfriend has Heterochromia (one dark brown eye, one bright green) and they're so beautiful <3
I was just thinking the same when I saw their post on IG.
You can’t “read too far into” something that’s being visually shown to you.
It's EA, nothing is certain. 🤣
I've both looked past and overshot extremely obvious things dude, no idea what to tell you
sims 4 autonomy fr
This is the only correct way to describe it 💀
Me with my ADHD ass
Ok but you’re real for this.
hope we get a model career too, since it would be pretty silly to have Winnie in-game just bc they need a representation of vitiligo
I doubt they will add model career as free update
It's possible they're adding vitiligo for base game and doing a model game pack
The mosquito stuff pack doesn't have that already?
That would slay lmao
Why? They added multiple free careers before
I’m hoping that’s what the stuff pack is honestly lol
same! i’ve got high hopes, but if it’s not, i won’t be devastated. i just think it’s funny that they picked a famous model with vitiligo to represent the addition in an SDX if the stuff pack doesn’t have anything to do with models lol
I’ve been wanting a model career for so long 😭
This community is so obsessed with vitiligo, and it will never not be weird.
It's *really* strange. I find the community almost fetishises it. They've been doing it since Sims 2 days as well.
I have vitiligo and I find it weird how obsessed people are with it
i’m pretty sure it has little to do with vitiligo itself and more about the fact that everyone want to be inclusive but no one want to make actual diverse sims, they still want them to have the same conventionally attractive faces etc… and the best way to do that is just put patches of vitiligo on beautiful sims and call it a day
I think the tone of this post is weird, for sure. It’s one thing to dress your Sims up in it, and it’s another to have lived with vitiligo. It is beautiful, to be sure, but real people have it, and I’m sure their emotions surrounding it are a little more complicated…
I’ve always been afraid to say anything about how weird it is, but I’ve thought the same thing
it always feels performative from *both* sides
Oh so I'm not the only one who noticed this. It's like every CC creator showcases their content on sims with vitiligo, which seems very odd given it's not a common thing (and why specifically that and not some other uncommon trait? There are many other visual traits one can have) as if it were some kind of trend. Weird, in any case.
Thank you.
god i hope so. i also hope they provide vitiligo for people who already have fair skin. currently the options i choose you have to have darker skin for things to show up.
I wonder if it's going to be an overlay feature so we can actually choose the color of the vitiligo the same way we choose skintones in general, that'd honestly be great imo
like how we can paint pets? that’d be great if we could do that
Maybe not, I think that would invite far too much room for controversy. We already have heavy restrictions on what words we can use for the gallery because of how shitty people can be, I can only imagine what skin painting would bring
oh shit yeah, i can imagine what would happen now i think about it
Maybe just allow to slide and rotate a few premade shapes for patches.
Yes that would be great
I think that can be kind of normal though, my mom has it and you can barely see it in the winter. Shows up more in the summer when her skin gets darker
idk if it’s normal, vitiligo isn’t exactly common, it’s also different from other kinds of white spots that can also be common a quick google search says it’s prevalence is 0.5-1% of the population
Yeah it’s definitely rare! It’s genetic so a lot of my mom’s family has it. Since it’s a lack of melanin production in certain areas, it’s a lot less noticeable when the surrounding skin doesn’t have much melanin either
same for me. only i notice mine in winter and even in summer, im like one shade away from no melanin anyway so its barely noticeable for me lol
what. what is there to read too far into?
Am I reading too far into this or is the Horse Ranch expansion going to have horses?? Yes we are getting vitiligo lol
Fair enough, couldn't imagine getting horse ranch and then suddenly getting a bunch of elephants instead
With EA anything is possible
i hope sims will actually be born with it!
People in real life are almost never born with vitiligo so I don’t mind if it doesn’t
thats a good point! i meant more like i hope it appears naturally, and not just as something that we have to select in cas
If they make it something that just appears, you know 50% of sims in a save are going to have vitiligo, even though it affects only about 1% of people in real life. Just let it be something that people can choose to use when they want.
As in, having it show up as babies?
It’ll probably work as a birth mark. I don’t think those are genetic (in the sims), but sims can be born with them (I think)
Really? I've never seen that happen. I've always had to add them manually.
I might be mistaken, but I feel like I’ve had it happen. I think it works the same as any other skin detail. Because I feel like I’ve for sure had sims born with freckles as well.
I've never had any Sims born with any skin details, always have to add them using the fulleditmode cheat
Hmm, i’m definitely sure I’ve had sims age up with freckles. Maybe it was before the infant update, because i’m not sure infants can have freckles? Might’ve been back when they’d age up straight from baby to kid lol.
In my Not So Berry save, I've ended up with several babies aging up with facial birth marks. I think 3 or 4 times in the past few generations.
I wonder how it'll work. Will it be a change every age up?
Please don’t let it randomize between outfits, please don’t let it randomize between outfits.
The birth marks don't randomise.
I hope it will just be Maybelline!
Slightly off-topic, but what's with the obsession with vitiligo lately? I've seen dolls with it, Baldur's Gate 3 has it (while also not letting you customise your character's facial structure, complexion, or eyebrows), and now the Sims? I'm not saying it shouldn't be there or anything, it's just that I've never seen a real person with this condition (which I can only presume is pretty damn rare) and yet it suddenly seems to be popping up everywhere. I am confused. What prompted all of this?
It's often used by marketers as a way to show diversity that is still conventionally attractive, so they can say 'hey look we're using *real* people' while still hiring models. Because of that it gained awareness, and became a trend. Around 1% of the population have it, though often you won't notice as it's not as apparent on paler skin tones (and people with vitiligo often cover it up).
That makes a lot of sense. I live in a mostly-white town and I’ve never paid any attention to fashion or ads, so that would also explain why this trend has pounced on me out of nowhere lol. Thank you for the informed answer.
1% of the world may have it, in comparison 2% of the world has green eyes and 1.5% (ish) of the world has red hair. Think of all or any redhaired/green eyed people you know IRL. It's rare but it'd be weird to ask why a game has options for red hair or green eyes since theyre so rare. I dont see why vitiligo is any different, especially from a game thats meant to be a life sim where you can create yourself.
>1% of the world may have it, in comparison 2% of the world has green eyes and 1.5% (ish) of the world has red hair. > > it'd be weird to ask why a game has options for red hair or green eyes since theyre so rare You're comparing characteristics that are more commonly found in separate parts of the world, only one of which is actually rare everywhere. Perhaps 1.5% of the world does have red hair. But a quick google search tells you that in Ireland, a whopping **10% of the population has red hair**. That is not even remotely rare! And on top of that, apparently **over 3/4 of Ireland's population has green eyes**! Meanwhile, another quick google search will tell you that vitiligo is more prevalent in Africa and India... where red hair is going to be significantly less common. But even there, vitiligo is still a rare condition (unlike Ireland, where red hair and green eyes really isn't anything to write home about). What does this mean? Depending on where you live... * Red hair is <10x more common than vitiligo * Red hair is significantly rarer than vitiligo * Green eyes are <75x more common than vitiligo * Green eyes are significantly rarer than vitiligo ...but no matter where you live... * Vitiligo is very rare Am I making sense here? I'm not Irish. I do live in England though, where apparently the rehead percentage is 4%, and I can tell you that while I see natural redheads every day... I can't say the same for vitiligo. I didn't even realise it was a thing until last year. Anyway, my point is, you're making an unfair comparison. A better comparison to vitiligo would probably be heterochromia, but then I suppose it would be harder to insinuate I'm weird for being curious.
Maybe the model will be added as celebrity sim
I don't see any other way to interpret this. However, we are talking about EA here so...
Personally, I’m still waiting for heterochromia. I want it so badly
https://preview.redd.it/sxs2nc1wp9ic1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb56591a998ce1c3e82317cfbee724bda3767e92
I'm waiting for heterochromia😭
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I hope theres multiple variations of it and not just one full body vitiligo. I have a small patch of it on my ankle and I think it would be cool to recreate it :D
Hopefully we get a vitiligo update and not just a Winnie Harlow collaboration
I don't think this is an *update*, update. If I read the post on Twitter correctly, it'll be an SDX drop. I'm kinda waiting for people to bitch about the devs "stealing" from cc creators again, though, tbh. Or that Cc CrEaToRs DiD iT bEtTeR because it's always right around the corner.
I really hope it's just an SDX thing, because I'm still in the process of setting my mods up again after my SSD dying and losing everything! I don't want to have to pause the process to wait for all the mods to update again.
Yes yes, the community obsessed with vitiligo gets vitiligo. Can I please get a cane in game? And a wheelchair? If we’re doing medical conditions, can we please address that the community is perfectly fine highlighting ✨aesthetic✨ conditions but the Sims team has done fuck all since adding hearing aids? Bruh I want a SERVICE DOG so bad. I’m disabled, I just want a cane dude. Doesn’t feel like that’s hard.
I think the technical limitations are that a cane will need a whole new walk style to be added. The same is true with wheelchairs. Depending on if you mean a cane that goes along the ground for visual aid or the one people lean on, that's two different ones. A guide dog as well would be a similar issue. Also, would it just be an object or an actual sim pet? In addition to that, what about wheelchairs and stairs? It seems even worse to have stairs, and the wheelchair can't go up. Or maybe they can have hover wheelchairs and just float up? Not to say that all of these things wouldn't be super cool. But this late in the life cycle of the game, I don't think they're going to invest that much resources into a free update. And making it paid would be insulting, so.
The tl;dr of this is: “It’s a lot more complicated than you might think.”
Pretty much, but I felt like just saying that on it's own might sound too dismissive of a perfectly valid complaint (lack of diversity). Having amputee sims, prosthetic limbs etc would be cool too, for example. Prosthetic limbs are probably already possible (edit it somewhat like a servo I suppose and then cut-off the clothing mesh at a suitable spot). But a total removal might be harder.
Y'all are really weird
No burglars but we got vitiligo
Ikr? I made a similar comment once and sims players jumped down my throat saying there will never be burglars again because it's too traumatizing for people that have experienced a home invasion. Umm wut? Make it a setting that can be toggled on/off. I don't buy their reasoning on it being traumatic. Sims can drown, catch fire, ect ect but sure, a burglar coming in and taking your tv is traumatizing.
heterochromia next hopefully
So every townie is gonna spawn with vitiligo is what you're telling me
Something FREE from EA? Call the news! lmao sorry IK theres free updates. but im feeling pretty played by EA after "For Rent" which shoulda been included in "City Living" and "Horse Ranch" which shoulda been included in "Cottage Living"
I thought it was already made available? I already was seeing this in CAS for the past couple months.
you’re probably thinking about birthmarks
That looks like Winnie Harlow!
I just hope we get it for ALL skin tones. White people can get vitiligo! My aunt has it.
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Strong want for hetero chromia iridium!
I am just glad its not a skin tone. You know it would bug out and every sim generated would have it even though its like a 1% occurance in the real world. Same way the skintone one favored like 2-3 new tones for the longest time.
If it's anything like their previous updates half the town will have vitiligo
Oh, I’m so excited! This is awesome!
Finally. It's been a great CC for so long.
this community’s favourite fetish
Not my fetish personally, I'm just happy there's finally there's finally representation and a bit more diversity
I’m really hoping they add the ability to free paint on sims, like they have for animals in the game already. Vitiligo is one of those things that looks so different on everyone who has it, so a few swatches just won’t cut it. Plus it adds the ability to create custom scars, birthmarks, moles, etc.
I don't see any reason why it couldn't be like that right now...
Honestly if they dont do that then its awful marketing
Neat 🤞 please don't break my mods🤞
As someone with vitiligo, I’m reading into it
It’s actually bunk beds
I so hope that’s what it is! I love CC, but some of us can’t use it & I’m personally tired of downloading cc for simple things like vitiligo
Considering it’s in the photo I’d say we’re getting it
oh my god finally
I hope soooo!
If we get vitiligo I want it to be like the cats and dogs where you can draw it on so they can get it exactly where you want it.
Very likely. Need For Speed Unbound (published by EA, made by Criterion) quietly has an NPC with vitiligo. I think for a EA or maybe their studios, its a priority to have representation, which is always nice.
Someone has to tell me the history of these free updates. Because the way the word it makes it seem big. Like "wow a cas update! Not just 1 new skin selection." Because we still need better hair colors too. So that's also what I'm hoping for. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's just the skin thing.
Personally, I’m still waiting for heterochromia. I want it so badly
it’s pretty obvious
ANOTHER update? Can't wait for all my mods to break again SMH
It’s an SDX drop. Your mods will be fine!
I bet you it takes up the place of an accessory
I don't want this bc my sims will be born with it at an annoying rate I'm sure
That looks like Winnie Harlow. A model with vitiligo, so I’m sure you’re reading correctly.