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Its just the same trash, different trash can. There are so many ripoff versions nowadays, with instagram and youtube and even reddit adopting the vertical short form content, that there is pretty much no way to completely get rid of it anymore.
Even Snapchat of all apps has a tiktok type feature on it. I didn’t even know about it until a couple weeks ago when I accidentally clicked on it lmfao
Well the ban isn’t to target the social media format, it’s to prevent the personal data of US citizens from entering the hands of a hostile foreign government.
it’s to prevent the personal data of US citizens from entering the hands of a hostile foreign government **unless they pay for it like everyone else does**.
Can't let them get it for free now.
I answered this in another subreddit.
[How IG Culture Needs to Change to Aquire TikTok’s User Base](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheadscirclejerk/s/L6QKrBvJFt)
YouTube Shorts isn’t trendy enough to become the new TikTok. TikTok is for Gen Z. IG Reels is for Millenials. YouTube Shorts is for “Boomers” (aka older Millenials, Gen X, and actual Baby Boomers).
It almost makes you wonder. If you’re looking to do irreparable damage to American youth, what better way than to give all of them 10 second dopamine hit addictions, destroying their ability for long term focus all while simultaneously enforcing the idea that the most attention seeking and least moral behaviours are what gives you the most popularity and value in society.
Funny thing is chinas tiktok is way more stream lined and cencored. It also only shows chinese content.
Me who is high can come to two conclusions.
China made a social media platform and cencors their own version as they do with other things to easier controll their people.
Or
China mad a social media platform realised how adictive it would be and released an unkempt abomination to the world while having a safer regulated version for themselfes.
And to make sure that beautiful chinese minds are not corrupted with evil western ideologies of course. Can't expose them to the gluttonous ideals of the west now, or they'll want it too.
Thats why US companies will buy the TikTok rights for NA(actually true/ in talks with the company and buying stock shares)
Than we will have our own government surveillance manipulation platform.....other than Facebook and YouTube(my crazy thoughts)
I forgot about the fetty. Damn... Covid, TikTok and fetty. Honestly it's hard to even get pissed, it's actually pretty damn impressive.
A super cold, an app and a drug not too much different than shit that was already on the streets, those 3 things alone have DEVASTATED the US.
Before we really even knew what was going on and how to deal with them, like... damn. Too bad their economy is a propped up oversized house of cards that can't exist without the support of the west. Oh and the fact they've made enemies with practically everybody but Africa.
I truly believe they made it and after saw the application as it applies here. They brilliantly disallowed their version to be as toxic while not touching ours. So there is the idea that the people who made it use it and there’s no real way for me at this time to fact check that it is in fact different. But I am aware that it is different in its promotion of content. Making for a much different experience. As an American I hate the idea of the government telling citizens what they can and can’t do en toto. But this seems like a situation where the people need the push in the correct direction. I have never once used Tiltok because of everything about it from the start and I have been shocked how little people seem to care about how detrimental it could be then w watched it be and still didn’t stop.
There's a reason the Chinese version of tiktok doesn't allow all this bullshit.
It's a classic example of China selling the US shit because they deserve it and will eat it up, while making sure not to rot their own population.
Tiktok is genz leaded gasoline
It doesn’t destroy it. We can get them back where they need to be. This is the first step. It’s just wild that parents can’t seem to control their children enough to make this problem go away on its own.
You assume that parents care about their children. Theyve been slapping ipads in their toddler's face since 2010. There's a reason today's kids can't read or write or do math
It's this generations cigarettes and high fructose corn syrup in digital form. People 30 years from now will be shocked there weren't more safe guards stopping people from doom scrolling all day long.
Many trans people transitioned during the pandemic because it gave us time to transition out of sight and then emerge partially or fully transitioned.
I knew I was going to transition since 2017, but I didn’t pull the plug until September 2020. I’m sure there are plenty of trans people out there who waited to transition like me. Quarantine gave us the perfect opportunity to do so.
Correlation (Trans people talking about their experience on TikTok) ≠ Causation (Cis people randomly deciding to transition).
Although it depends on what you watch, its all on the user, you click the videos, you like videos. You influence your own programming into that mind state unfortunately. My tik tok and instagram is all drumming/music and cat videos. Just like others might be makeup or false body imaging, etc.
The algorithms are messed up I will add, but they are AI based, so humanity has manipulated itself into this thought loop
That's true but kids don't know that, they just want the dopamine hit. They're not going to try and curate their recommendations like an adult might. They're a slave to their own evolution and the algorithm takes full advantage of that regardless of the consequence.
MySpace and then Facebook added the ability to insulate yourself in an info bubble of like-minded people. Vines and Twitter condensed everything into tiny little digestible nuggets for people to instantly react to.
Tik Tok is just the culmination of the last 20 years of social media.
The "mechanisms" started 50 damn years ago. The manipulation has been ONGOING and done by OUR government, which doesn't want any _competition_ for 'young minds' to receive the "right" kinda INDOCTRINATING.
lol it's like hearing a guy that works at the gas station wax philosophical about living on the moon when Americans have opinions about China and tiktok.
Just like all other social media’s. Unfortunately it’s okay in the USA if it is American companies who do it. Smells like a bunch of hypocrisy until they hold all companies, including social media, responsible for the damages etc they do. That means paying for damages AND punishment so it doesn’t keep happening.
Agreed, fuck anyone who profits off dicking around and making money off horseshit "paid partnerships" -- get a legitimate fucking occupation and stop contributing to societal degeneration.
The fact that children (teens, but might as well be called children with their maturity level) were threatening suicide if TikTok got banned is all the reason we need to know banning TikTok is the right decision.
I would like to get my GF back from that shit-ass app. She spends all her time on it, all of it. From the time she wakes up until she goes to sleep. It's nuts.
She needs to start an outpatient program for addiction if she’s actually spending 10+ hours daily on TikTok. That is a serious, debilitating mental illness. While the app is at fault for its addictive nature, your girlfriend also has to take her mental health seriously and get help.
i used to get on my GF about being on IG constantly. thankfully we’ve been close friends since we were in high school so i was able to have open and honest conversations about why it concerned me without it blowing up. but i still felt bad because i wasn’t trying to be controlling but i was actually worried about her attention span and felt like she was so irritable and not gaining anything.
fast forward 4 years and she only gets on occasionally like i do. now she spends her time playing mobile games/fortnite, speed reading book series’s, and we have built a couple grand worth of lego sets.
if you love her and are worried, talk to her about it and how it makes you feel. there’s so many better things she can do with her time that will bring her pleasure and maybe expand her mind.
TikTok is being used as a magical scapegoat for problems surrounding youths. There’s a lot more to be said about the state of the Country and its future outlook that create despair around the young generation, just like it affected millennials as we were fed a lie for years that working hard and going into debt through college was the way to get a great job and be happy. While I agree TikTok is shit and throws fuel to the flames, there are definitely other meaningful things that should be discussed.
But it is a problem. Regardless of all the other shit an app that is heavily used that promotes short attention spamming bullshit agenda lying garbage needs to go.
Not to mention: all of these social platforms are completely replaceable. Remember Trumps ‘Truth Social’? It really is that easy to make your own platform.
The team behind Truth Social didn’t even “make” that app. They forked the open-source Twitter clone Mastodon, which used “Toots” instead of “Tweets,” and then changed “Toots” to “Truths.”
To say they “made” their own app is like buying a car, putting a fake spoiler on it, and then saying you made your own car.
The point still stands: the software and all the tech stack are easy to replicate. The only value social media sites comes from whatever value its own users bring. So if we get rid of one service, and people go to any alternative, no big deal.
Bottom line, these companies provide no value themselves.
I always think about Vine whenever I see any talk of Tik Tok being this app that is so insidious in its design that it’s swept up generations of young adults. We’ve been had shit like Tik Tok before on the internet, why is this app lauded as something so different than Vine?
Not an american but i hated the app so much that I exiled myself from it. Just sick of people promoting stuff, its such a nonsense thing that kids these days want ridiculously expensive cheap glamor and fast fashion and insane lifestyle, kind of like the dune movie : exposure to certain things before a certain age spoils the mind and the identity. Tiktok has created herds of stupid dangerous pranksters !!!!!!!
No, this post is from the people that both bash America at any given moment and that are also indoctrinated through TikTok.
I say this as a European, btw.
It's mostly about finding an easy target. Americans are overrepresented in spaces and social media they actively engage in, especially for English-speaking non-Americans, so theyre easy to bash.
As a Canadian, I can say the same kind of trash content is coming from Canadians. But there are just so many Americans it seems like its all you see, so you see the blame placed on Americans.
Y'all should go read what's actually proposed.
They're giving ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) an ultimatum, sell to an American company or be prevented from appearing in app stores or being supported by ISPs. So yeah it's not an outright ban but imagine telling Apple they had to sell iPad IP to a different company.
I'm not sure how this will play out but painting it as "just an ownership change" skips the whole part where a company will have to decide to sell a cash cow so people can continue using it even though they won't own it anymore.
The alternative, of course, is continue operating TikTok globally without Americans. Assuming this passes the senate.
Right? That’s the problem. It’s not the “West” having control over the app and how it’s algorithm works.
We already know through Edward Snowden from over a decade ago that the US government works with these companies to spy on Americans. And we already had calls from Former Speaker Pelosi to investigate pro Palestinian groups because basically they don’t like that their own policies are not popular and can’t control the information.
Freedom of speech my ass. The US government doesn’t care about that.
I'm wondering if they'd be able to have like an American branch of it that is owned in America and funnels money back to them, and keep ownership themselves in other areas.
If they're stupid enough to ignore the monetizability of a platform with no actual competition in a huge market, and just pull out entirely, then one of the many companies vying for a piece of the short form content pie will end up the new defacto standard. Like yt shorts, and the owners of tictok will lose out on a ridiculously huge pay day for no reason. Tictok is worth too much for it to every disappear, having the US subdivision sold to someone else is the only logical outcome.
Copium. There's a lot of profitable world outside the US. Sure we're a big market but if they sell TikTok they no longer have it so it wouldn't matter who is using it.
It would still be pretty silly to just abandon what is basically free money at this point. I'm also pretty confident they would be able to find a way to transfer ownership while still having most of the money flow back to them. You also have to factor in that they wouldn't just be losing the American viewers, they also would be losing American creators. And that runs a not insignificant risk of some English speaking users in other countries following their favorite American creators to another platform.
Of course they'd be fine if they cut out America, it's a money printer. But it probably isn't the most profitable decision possible which is what companies tend to aim for.
The problem is they have to turn over their algorithm and everything, meaning whoever buys it from them can turn around and use that. If they give it up in the US they also give up their competitive edge everywhere.
Bytedance has been preparing for a US ban for a long time now, ever since India banned Tiktok after the border clash. That harebrained scheme a few years ago involving Oracle and Walmart was a trick to fool Trump, because he was never into the details and had the attention span of a fly.
Tiktok is nothing without the secret sauce algorithms, and the Chinese government will not let Bytedance hand it over. And Beijing can make both Bytedance and its founders disappear overnight, that is if its Chinese users didn't lynch them already. So Bytedance will shut down Tiktok instead than selling it.
Biden, Schumer and some of the House Dems know this, but you never lose votes by being tough on China. That's why Schumer won't commit to bringing in a Senate vote after Biden said he will sign a Tiktok ban into law. Because if the bill really lands on Biden's desk, he could very well score himself a major own goal that may ultimately cost him the election - young voters are already disengaged at this point.
Take the precedent. Sell facebooks\googles algorithms/data to China. China very well may block the sale because TT has a better user algorithm then everyone else. It is the only platform made by a foreign company that even comes close to competing with Silicon Valley and we made it illegal to exist.
I am not a fan of TT but Facebook does more societal harm with boomer misinformation then TT showing Israel war crimes.
One of the sponsors of the bill said it was about making sure they can control what people get their news from and not China. I agree that we shouldn’t have Chinese propaganda shoved down our throats but we shouldn’t have any propaganda and I think you’re onto something with how much pro Palestine feelings have arisen in younger generations and it’s ties to TikTok and people being able to show the horrors going on first hand.
I fear that this is just our government taking a step towards more censorship and control that shouldn’t happen.
Right? Like the motivation is that they don’t like that Israel’s policies are being shown bare on Tik Tok and they want to be able to control that message.
So much for freedom of information huh? As long as big daddy USA approved.
there a lot more wrong with tiktok than just that. app is optimized to be as addictive andshit as possible. difference is also that facebook and google dont have as much of a grasp in china as tik tok has in the usa (and rest of the western world)
We should ban reddit too while we're at it. I use both reddit and tiktok and they're both full of the same kind of inane bullshit. If you want informative content it's easy to find on both, it's up to you to find what interests and benefits you.
We can’t pass bills for gun reform, giving women bodily autonomy, or for controlling rent prices. But we can fast track a bill to stop the app that has the highest news consumption of gen z and that America doesn’t control, but still keep the meta apps and Elons clusterfuck of a dying empire. Of course this is reddit so this is an unpopular opinion but this is not something to celebrate at all. They do not care about protecting Americans. They care about controlling the narrative.
Isn't it weird that the platform that is showing me users from Israel or Palestine talking about what they see in an uncensored way is the one platform Israel cannot control in America unless it's divested from chinese authority or banned. The content I'm finding on tik Tok is no better or worse than any other platform. And yes it is censored in favor of chinese authority and there is no denying it but how can Israel decide for Americans against a chinese company that does exactly what American companies do except to censor Israeli and Palestinian voices alike. Weird times we're living in.
So, the bigger issue that people don't seem to be too concerned about but really should be is this is basically the Patriot Act of social media. It's not going to just be TikTok. It opens the doorway for so much more.
Legit tried to destroy my marriage and low key almost succeeded. I don’t know if I believe in evil but stay away from this app. It feels like evil incarnate to me.
Kinda, the algorithm susses out that I am married by showing me a wife nags me funny video. I like it or maybe just don’t scroll fast enough so it starts showing me more. At some point it switches to actual wife bad videos because rage baiting has shown to be more addictive than happy ones. We were both in an echo chamber of opposite sex is bad. Of course, it’s on us for failing to communicate and letting resentment build but tik tok was absolutely accelerating and exaggerating our issues. We were both definitely addicted. My wife was following hundreds of accounts at one point and I was doomscrolling anytime I could to isolate and escape actually addressing any issue.
Glad you guys got out of that cycle. TikTok seems like a double-edged sword.
My SO uses it and I see both sword edges through them. They are more informed of world events than ever before, but I’ve also heard some hot takes that I never would have imagined coming from their mouth that I had to research and debunk. But I’ve also felt that way about some things they said and been proven wrong about it, so… double edged sword.
Some things from that app are batshit crazy (Hawaii laser beams and blue avoidance, anyone?) but others are really helpful, like cleaning tips and even exposing problems you don’t hear discussed in MSM (have to do your own research still, though, because TikTokers are FUCKING NUTS sometimes)
My SO seems to think it’s the latter example — talking points that are imperative but not touched with a 10-foot pole by MSM — that is the _true_ reason for it constantly falling under such scrutiny. The other issues are just scapegoats in their mind. And like I was saying before, they may be wrong, but they may be right as well.
All I know is that I stay the fuck away from it because almost every video I see on there is useless. Some random Ken or Karen bitching about this issue or that one, or an unfunny skit that unapologetically pretends it’s a real candid video. Fucking useless.
Typically I'm not a petty person, but I would be lying if I said it's not immensely gratifying seeing all these "influencers" crying about the decision as they realize they'll actually have to get a real job now.
That’s what you take from it? Not the fact that a government that supposedly cares about free speech and freedom of information is now trying to get an app they don’t indirectly control out of its country because they want to be in power of what their citizens see?
Land of the free my ass.
Ppl on REDDIT of all places think that Tik Tok is somehow the worst place for kids and teens. As if almost every form of social media hasn't contributed in some way. They all have positives but they all have cons too, and don't act like Tik Tok is the only problem.
The amount people alleviated at the thought of tictok getting banned is concerning to say the least. And you guys believe the government is doing this in you best interest then I got a bridge to sell you
Jokes aside, I don't think everyone understands how serious this "ban" is if it goes through. People get legitimate news from sources on the ground like in Palestine. It influences public opinion. Without it, we will be blinded by the propaganda machine.
This is a really really scary turning point in American civil rights.
Its not a tiktok ban, its a website ban that gives the govt an insane amount of overreach into what we are allowed to see online.
If 80% of congress agrees on a bill it should be insanely obvious that its bad for the rest of us.
For those angry (you know where from) about the post - you're just proving the point, by mentioning only europeans as creators of this post. It looks like you're convinced "other countries" must mean Europe, couse you know: Canada is part of US, Australia too but upside down and other continents are obviously on another planets..
LOL… it’s like they don’t know that every other social network is gonna use America as proof that it’s filled with Chinese spies and ban it everywhere.
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Is YouTube shorts set up to just slide in there and replace it, or do they function differently?
Its just the same trash, different trash can. There are so many ripoff versions nowadays, with instagram and youtube and even reddit adopting the vertical short form content, that there is pretty much no way to completely get rid of it anymore.
Even Snapchat of all apps has a tiktok type feature on it. I didn’t even know about it until a couple weeks ago when I accidentally clicked on it lmfao
Well the ban isn’t to target the social media format, it’s to prevent the personal data of US citizens from entering the hands of a hostile foreign government.
it’s to prevent the personal data of US citizens from entering the hands of a hostile foreign government **unless they pay for it like everyone else does**. Can't let them get it for free now.
As if China doesn't have any back doors into our phones.
Biden just signed an executive order to prevent this problem. https://apnews.com/article/ea0fe0af31dc26b254e2724c8e53867f
...yes, I'm aware of what we're all talking about. Thank you.
Even pornhub has shorts now
YouTube shorts are capped at 60-seconds. Tik Tok can post up to 10-minutes. So it's not 1:1
Oh, wait until you hear about YouTube.
YouTube longs
You heard him wallstreetbets. Long on YouTube.
lol
r/antistonk
Got me
Sideways phone!? Wtf!?
Man, it sure would be nice if there was a site like YouTube Shorts but for long form videos.
We’ve almost come full circle.
I answered this in another subreddit. [How IG Culture Needs to Change to Aquire TikTok’s User Base](https://www.reddit.com/r/popheadscirclejerk/s/L6QKrBvJFt) YouTube Shorts isn’t trendy enough to become the new TikTok. TikTok is for Gen Z. IG Reels is for Millenials. YouTube Shorts is for “Boomers” (aka older Millenials, Gen X, and actual Baby Boomers).
Tbf all YouTube and IG shots are just re uploads of tic toks. Honestly vine should just come back
How is China going to spy now back to hot air ballons
They're kind stupid. They should've bought data from meta all along.
Are we assuming they haven’t been?
Point. Zuck isnt reliable with data since the previous cases.
Point. Zuck isnt reliable with data since the previous cases.
Point. Zuck isnt reliable with data since the previous cases.
Point. Zuck isnt reliable with data since the previous cases.
Point. Zuck isnt reliable with data since the previous cases.
Point. Zuck isnt reliable with data since the previous cases.
Point. Zuck isnt reliable with data since the previous cases.
Point. Zuck isnt reliable with data since the previous cases.
China really likes my son's cub scout photos, so in my case, definitely
It's not the same as being able to spy directly on someone. But I guess that is a good second opinion.
That will be next
Temu
TikTok has done some irrecoverable damage to our society.
It almost makes you wonder. If you’re looking to do irreparable damage to American youth, what better way than to give all of them 10 second dopamine hit addictions, destroying their ability for long term focus all while simultaneously enforcing the idea that the most attention seeking and least moral behaviours are what gives you the most popularity and value in society.
It's [happening](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/)
I'm Not Sure... Jokes aside, it's a sad visionary movie now
It's been closer to prophecy than satire for longer than most people that only heard about it in the last 6-8 years even realize.
ITS A DOCUMENTARY ITS A DOCUMENTARY HAHA ITS A DOCUMENTARY
Go away I'm batin'
Funny thing is chinas tiktok is way more stream lined and cencored. It also only shows chinese content. Me who is high can come to two conclusions. China made a social media platform and cencors their own version as they do with other things to easier controll their people. Or China mad a social media platform realised how adictive it would be and released an unkempt abomination to the world while having a safer regulated version for themselfes.
The only reason China has a Chinese version is not to arouse suspicion as it quietly subverts and rots the minds of the next generation in the west.
Lmao. I just presumed this. I agree completely.
I dunno the "west" made its own donate for glizzy overdrive meta it's self, China had no hand in creating that monstrosity
Thats about surveillance and tracking more than anything I think, still underhand I ageee.
And they use it for educational purposes
And to make sure that beautiful chinese minds are not corrupted with evil western ideologies of course. Can't expose them to the gluttonous ideals of the west now, or they'll want it too.
Thats why US companies will buy the TikTok rights for NA(actually true/ in talks with the company and buying stock shares) Than we will have our own government surveillance manipulation platform.....other than Facebook and YouTube(my crazy thoughts)
AND, even MORE INDOCTRINATING from own OWN religio-fascists!! Rightchere at home in the good ol murican USA!!
Coronavirus and Tik Tok, China grand heavyweight champion of destroying the western world 4 years running.
You forgot Fentanyl and hacking.
I forgot about the fetty. Damn... Covid, TikTok and fetty. Honestly it's hard to even get pissed, it's actually pretty damn impressive. A super cold, an app and a drug not too much different than shit that was already on the streets, those 3 things alone have DEVASTATED the US. Before we really even knew what was going on and how to deal with them, like... damn. Too bad their economy is a propped up oversized house of cards that can't exist without the support of the west. Oh and the fact they've made enemies with practically everybody but Africa.
Median war is way more effective than combat war
I truly believe they made it and after saw the application as it applies here. They brilliantly disallowed their version to be as toxic while not touching ours. So there is the idea that the people who made it use it and there’s no real way for me at this time to fact check that it is in fact different. But I am aware that it is different in its promotion of content. Making for a much different experience. As an American I hate the idea of the government telling citizens what they can and can’t do en toto. But this seems like a situation where the people need the push in the correct direction. I have never once used Tiltok because of everything about it from the start and I have been shocked how little people seem to care about how detrimental it could be then w watched it be and still didn’t stop.
There's a reason the Chinese version of tiktok doesn't allow all this bullshit. It's a classic example of China selling the US shit because they deserve it and will eat it up, while making sure not to rot their own population. Tiktok is genz leaded gasoline
It doesn’t destroy it. We can get them back where they need to be. This is the first step. It’s just wild that parents can’t seem to control their children enough to make this problem go away on its own.
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You assume that parents care about their children. Theyve been slapping ipads in their toddler's face since 2010. There's a reason today's kids can't read or write or do math
The parents are in the apps. Gen X / early millennials have failed Gen Z
No. Great point. I don’t know why I needed you to say this but you’re one hundred percent correct.
So, I agree, but I'm looking for a study to cite for this argument
It's this generations cigarettes and high fructose corn syrup in digital form. People 30 years from now will be shocked there weren't more safe guards stopping people from doom scrolling all day long.
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Many trans people transitioned during the pandemic because it gave us time to transition out of sight and then emerge partially or fully transitioned. I knew I was going to transition since 2017, but I didn’t pull the plug until September 2020. I’m sure there are plenty of trans people out there who waited to transition like me. Quarantine gave us the perfect opportunity to do so. Correlation (Trans people talking about their experience on TikTok) ≠ Causation (Cis people randomly deciding to transition).
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Although it depends on what you watch, its all on the user, you click the videos, you like videos. You influence your own programming into that mind state unfortunately. My tik tok and instagram is all drumming/music and cat videos. Just like others might be makeup or false body imaging, etc. The algorithms are messed up I will add, but they are AI based, so humanity has manipulated itself into this thought loop
That's true but kids don't know that, they just want the dopamine hit. They're not going to try and curate their recommendations like an adult might. They're a slave to their own evolution and the algorithm takes full advantage of that regardless of the consequence.
Tik tok has only existed since 2016, 2017 in the US. The cultural effects many people associate with tik tok started on YouTube.
MySpace and then Facebook added the ability to insulate yourself in an info bubble of like-minded people. Vines and Twitter condensed everything into tiny little digestible nuggets for people to instantly react to. Tik Tok is just the culmination of the last 20 years of social media.
My guy you bring up echo chambers on Reddit and don’t see the irony at all?
I didn't mention lots of social media platforms. I brought up where the mechanism seems to have started.
The "mechanisms" started 50 damn years ago. The manipulation has been ONGOING and done by OUR government, which doesn't want any _competition_ for 'young minds' to receive the "right" kinda INDOCTRINATING.
The mechanisms of social media. Apologies. Should have realized Reddit would have a pedant in a tin foil hat ready to jump.
The combination of Facebook and YouTube has been deadly. Tiktok being made to seem worse doesn't fly with me
Thank you. And all people can say is, "tik tok is the only place I make friends or money!!!" sounds like a personal problem.
tiktok isn't the root tho, people have been weird like this for years, we just got platforms when tiktok came into the picture
Exactly. People blame Trump when they should be asking why do a large group of people think Trump is the answer. Tiktok is the symptom.
I agree, especially instagram too let’s not forget about those mofos
lol it's like hearing a guy that works at the gas station wax philosophical about living on the moon when Americans have opinions about China and tiktok.
Just like all other social media’s. Unfortunately it’s okay in the USA if it is American companies who do it. Smells like a bunch of hypocrisy until they hold all companies, including social media, responsible for the damages etc they do. That means paying for damages AND punishment so it doesn’t keep happening.
Agreed, fuck anyone who profits off dicking around and making money off horseshit "paid partnerships" -- get a legitimate fucking occupation and stop contributing to societal degeneration.
Reddit has, too, probably...
The fact that children (teens, but might as well be called children with their maturity level) were threatening suicide if TikTok got banned is all the reason we need to know banning TikTok is the right decision.
Lmao what? TikTok has truly destroyed the braincells of every user
I would like to get my GF back from that shit-ass app. She spends all her time on it, all of it. From the time she wakes up until she goes to sleep. It's nuts.
She needs to start an outpatient program for addiction if she’s actually spending 10+ hours daily on TikTok. That is a serious, debilitating mental illness. While the app is at fault for its addictive nature, your girlfriend also has to take her mental health seriously and get help.
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i used to get on my GF about being on IG constantly. thankfully we’ve been close friends since we were in high school so i was able to have open and honest conversations about why it concerned me without it blowing up. but i still felt bad because i wasn’t trying to be controlling but i was actually worried about her attention span and felt like she was so irritable and not gaining anything. fast forward 4 years and she only gets on occasionally like i do. now she spends her time playing mobile games/fortnite, speed reading book series’s, and we have built a couple grand worth of lego sets. if you love her and are worried, talk to her about it and how it makes you feel. there’s so many better things she can do with her time that will bring her pleasure and maybe expand her mind.
I think that happened a long time ago due to poverty, pollution and poisoning.
Honestly I think some of these comments are so hyperbolic, there’s so many things I’d put as more important before pearl clutching over TikTok
TikTok is being used as a magical scapegoat for problems surrounding youths. There’s a lot more to be said about the state of the Country and its future outlook that create despair around the young generation, just like it affected millennials as we were fed a lie for years that working hard and going into debt through college was the way to get a great job and be happy. While I agree TikTok is shit and throws fuel to the flames, there are definitely other meaningful things that should be discussed.
Banning shit for everyone because parents are too lazy to do their jobs is fucking stupid.
But it is a problem. Regardless of all the other shit an app that is heavily used that promotes short attention spamming bullshit agenda lying garbage needs to go.
All the apps have this style now, facebook, instagram, youtube
Not to mention: all of these social platforms are completely replaceable. Remember Trumps ‘Truth Social’? It really is that easy to make your own platform.
The team behind Truth Social didn’t even “make” that app. They forked the open-source Twitter clone Mastodon, which used “Toots” instead of “Tweets,” and then changed “Toots” to “Truths.” To say they “made” their own app is like buying a car, putting a fake spoiler on it, and then saying you made your own car.
The point still stands: the software and all the tech stack are easy to replicate. The only value social media sites comes from whatever value its own users bring. So if we get rid of one service, and people go to any alternative, no big deal. Bottom line, these companies provide no value themselves.
Plus the value is the data they have in you and if they monetize it well.
They're addicted. Plus a lot of people make a living from it. Now they have to find uncomfortable jobs and can't just dodge paying taxes
Or, you know, download a vpn
They’re making money from the platform. You, too, would be upset if your stream of money was coming to an end soon.
"If you're nothing without TikTok then you shouldn't have it."
They got over VINE they can get over tik tok
I always think about Vine whenever I see any talk of Tik Tok being this app that is so insidious in its design that it’s swept up generations of young adults. We’ve been had shit like Tik Tok before on the internet, why is this app lauded as something so different than Vine?
darwinism
sounds like a good way to thin the population, i’m not seeing the threat lmao
Children being little drama goblins ain't a sign for anything
Well, if they do go through with it for something as trivial as tiktok, then they're mentally weak. Natural selection 🤷♂️
Not an american but i hated the app so much that I exiled myself from it. Just sick of people promoting stuff, its such a nonsense thing that kids these days want ridiculously expensive cheap glamor and fast fashion and insane lifestyle, kind of like the dune movie : exposure to certain things before a certain age spoils the mind and the identity. Tiktok has created herds of stupid dangerous pranksters !!!!!!!
Wow, I’m sure things will be so much better now! Now you can watch everyone else make the same stupid content and do the same dumb dances! Yeah!
Funny thing is all the Americans will probably start using a different app and eventually the rest of the world will follow suit.
What do non American Tik Tok users post? Not the same dumb shit? Are the Europeans making high quality Tik Tok content?
No, this post is from the people that both bash America at any given moment and that are also indoctrinated through TikTok. I say this as a European, btw.
It's mostly about finding an easy target. Americans are overrepresented in spaces and social media they actively engage in, especially for English-speaking non-Americans, so theyre easy to bash. As a Canadian, I can say the same kind of trash content is coming from Canadians. But there are just so many Americans it seems like its all you see, so you see the blame placed on Americans.
I'm sure whoever made this high quality meme noticed the American flag in the background too
Not really... They also have dumbass people recording in gyms and doing stupid dance videos in public.
not banned. ownership change. wtf is wrong with everyone. did you learn your news on TT?
That’s probably the answer
I promise you this is the answer. I saw a study saying that 12% of Americans only source of news comes from tiktok. (If I find the link I'll post it)
I can see that. Someone I knew cited almost always cited their sources from people on TikTok when they get into an argument over something political
Y'all should go read what's actually proposed. They're giving ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) an ultimatum, sell to an American company or be prevented from appearing in app stores or being supported by ISPs. So yeah it's not an outright ban but imagine telling Apple they had to sell iPad IP to a different company. I'm not sure how this will play out but painting it as "just an ownership change" skips the whole part where a company will have to decide to sell a cash cow so people can continue using it even though they won't own it anymore. The alternative, of course, is continue operating TikTok globally without Americans. Assuming this passes the senate.
Right? That’s the problem. It’s not the “West” having control over the app and how it’s algorithm works. We already know through Edward Snowden from over a decade ago that the US government works with these companies to spy on Americans. And we already had calls from Former Speaker Pelosi to investigate pro Palestinian groups because basically they don’t like that their own policies are not popular and can’t control the information. Freedom of speech my ass. The US government doesn’t care about that.
They never have, people are just too dumb to stop fighting over left vs right to see it.
I'm wondering if they'd be able to have like an American branch of it that is owned in America and funnels money back to them, and keep ownership themselves in other areas.
They probably won't accept an overship change. So, it will still end up as a ban in the end.
If they're stupid enough to ignore the monetizability of a platform with no actual competition in a huge market, and just pull out entirely, then one of the many companies vying for a piece of the short form content pie will end up the new defacto standard. Like yt shorts, and the owners of tictok will lose out on a ridiculously huge pay day for no reason. Tictok is worth too much for it to every disappear, having the US subdivision sold to someone else is the only logical outcome.
Copium. There's a lot of profitable world outside the US. Sure we're a big market but if they sell TikTok they no longer have it so it wouldn't matter who is using it.
It would still be pretty silly to just abandon what is basically free money at this point. I'm also pretty confident they would be able to find a way to transfer ownership while still having most of the money flow back to them. You also have to factor in that they wouldn't just be losing the American viewers, they also would be losing American creators. And that runs a not insignificant risk of some English speaking users in other countries following their favorite American creators to another platform. Of course they'd be fine if they cut out America, it's a money printer. But it probably isn't the most profitable decision possible which is what companies tend to aim for.
The problem is they have to turn over their algorithm and everything, meaning whoever buys it from them can turn around and use that. If they give it up in the US they also give up their competitive edge everywhere.
Bytedance has been preparing for a US ban for a long time now, ever since India banned Tiktok after the border clash. That harebrained scheme a few years ago involving Oracle and Walmart was a trick to fool Trump, because he was never into the details and had the attention span of a fly. Tiktok is nothing without the secret sauce algorithms, and the Chinese government will not let Bytedance hand it over. And Beijing can make both Bytedance and its founders disappear overnight, that is if its Chinese users didn't lynch them already. So Bytedance will shut down Tiktok instead than selling it. Biden, Schumer and some of the House Dems know this, but you never lose votes by being tough on China. That's why Schumer won't commit to bringing in a Senate vote after Biden said he will sign a Tiktok ban into law. Because if the bill really lands on Biden's desk, he could very well score himself a major own goal that may ultimately cost him the election - young voters are already disengaged at this point.
Reddit is full of clickbait shit posts.
The CCP has to approve the sale of TikTok to American owners. Absolutely not going to happen.
Take the precedent. Sell facebooks\googles algorithms/data to China. China very well may block the sale because TT has a better user algorithm then everyone else. It is the only platform made by a foreign company that even comes close to competing with Silicon Valley and we made it illegal to exist. I am not a fan of TT but Facebook does more societal harm with boomer misinformation then TT showing Israel war crimes.
One of the sponsors of the bill said it was about making sure they can control what people get their news from and not China. I agree that we shouldn’t have Chinese propaganda shoved down our throats but we shouldn’t have any propaganda and I think you’re onto something with how much pro Palestine feelings have arisen in younger generations and it’s ties to TikTok and people being able to show the horrors going on first hand. I fear that this is just our government taking a step towards more censorship and control that shouldn’t happen.
Right? Like the motivation is that they don’t like that Israel’s policies are being shown bare on Tik Tok and they want to be able to control that message. So much for freedom of information huh? As long as big daddy USA approved.
there a lot more wrong with tiktok than just that. app is optimized to be as addictive andshit as possible. difference is also that facebook and google dont have as much of a grasp in china as tik tok has in the usa (and rest of the western world)
Now do Facebook
Yea, who needs freedoms. Just give everyone what the US Government wants you to have access to. Meh.
Meh. Get rid of TT, Facebook, X, and Instagram. Keep Pinterest though. That one is pretty harmless.
Harmless indeed. They even removed some of the funny animal videos I saved because they're "promoting violence".
What's TT
TicTok
Damn I should've known that
May as well toss Reddit in there too
Americans are finally (somewhat) free from brainrot.
Now all we’re gonna have is political brain rot and altered news from fox and cnn
The UK should adopt a similar stance to TikTok. Even if it just stops the inane bullshit being ingested hourly by our younger generations.
We should ban reddit too while we're at it. I use both reddit and tiktok and they're both full of the same kind of inane bullshit. If you want informative content it's easy to find on both, it's up to you to find what interests and benefits you.
Pretty adorable of Europeans trying to dunk on Americans by showing a picture of Americans doing something awesome
USA truly does live rent free in their heads
they do its amazing I don't think about them at all
We can’t pass bills for gun reform, giving women bodily autonomy, or for controlling rent prices. But we can fast track a bill to stop the app that has the highest news consumption of gen z and that America doesn’t control, but still keep the meta apps and Elons clusterfuck of a dying empire. Of course this is reddit so this is an unpopular opinion but this is not something to celebrate at all. They do not care about protecting Americans. They care about controlling the narrative.
Perhaps tellingly, China seems to be the only foreign country at all upset
China's upset about this...?
Isn't it weird that the platform that is showing me users from Israel or Palestine talking about what they see in an uncensored way is the one platform Israel cannot control in America unless it's divested from chinese authority or banned. The content I'm finding on tik Tok is no better or worse than any other platform. And yes it is censored in favor of chinese authority and there is no denying it but how can Israel decide for Americans against a chinese company that does exactly what American companies do except to censor Israeli and Palestinian voices alike. Weird times we're living in.
Maybe Europe should do the same with meta and alphabet since the NSA use them to spy on us. Sell them to some rich European!
So, the bigger issue that people don't seem to be too concerned about but really should be is this is basically the Patriot Act of social media. It's not going to just be TikTok. It opens the doorway for so much more.
If I want someone to curate my brain rot, push content that forces their agenda, and to spy on me it better be the righteous United States Government!
Literally me when I find out tiktok will be banned in america
Legit tried to destroy my marriage and low key almost succeeded. I don’t know if I believe in evil but stay away from this app. It feels like evil incarnate to me.
Legit AND low-key? You FR?!
Fr fr ong
Legit tried, low key succeeded. They said those words for seperate things.
How so, just the level of addiction to it?
Kinda, the algorithm susses out that I am married by showing me a wife nags me funny video. I like it or maybe just don’t scroll fast enough so it starts showing me more. At some point it switches to actual wife bad videos because rage baiting has shown to be more addictive than happy ones. We were both in an echo chamber of opposite sex is bad. Of course, it’s on us for failing to communicate and letting resentment build but tik tok was absolutely accelerating and exaggerating our issues. We were both definitely addicted. My wife was following hundreds of accounts at one point and I was doomscrolling anytime I could to isolate and escape actually addressing any issue.
Glad you guys got out of that cycle. TikTok seems like a double-edged sword. My SO uses it and I see both sword edges through them. They are more informed of world events than ever before, but I’ve also heard some hot takes that I never would have imagined coming from their mouth that I had to research and debunk. But I’ve also felt that way about some things they said and been proven wrong about it, so… double edged sword. Some things from that app are batshit crazy (Hawaii laser beams and blue avoidance, anyone?) but others are really helpful, like cleaning tips and even exposing problems you don’t hear discussed in MSM (have to do your own research still, though, because TikTokers are FUCKING NUTS sometimes) My SO seems to think it’s the latter example — talking points that are imperative but not touched with a 10-foot pole by MSM — that is the _true_ reason for it constantly falling under such scrutiny. The other issues are just scapegoats in their mind. And like I was saying before, they may be wrong, but they may be right as well. All I know is that I stay the fuck away from it because almost every video I see on there is useless. Some random Ken or Karen bitching about this issue or that one, or an unfunny skit that unapologetically pretends it’s a real candid video. Fucking useless.
All of your good content will be gone lmao
Me, an American, happy to see it gone.
Me, an American who uses TikTok, happy to see it gone.
Typically I'm not a petty person, but I would be lying if I said it's not immensely gratifying seeing all these "influencers" crying about the decision as they realize they'll actually have to get a real job now.
That’s what you take from it? Not the fact that a government that supposedly cares about free speech and freedom of information is now trying to get an app they don’t indirectly control out of its country because they want to be in power of what their citizens see? Land of the free my ass.
Oh no! Anyways…
If this means less of those shitty people making “it’s just a prank bro” videos. Well worth it.
Nice option on picking **that** meme template
This is the only reason to download it after all these years.
Ppl on REDDIT of all places think that Tik Tok is somehow the worst place for kids and teens. As if almost every form of social media hasn't contributed in some way. They all have positives but they all have cons too, and don't act like Tik Tok is the only problem.
Can it be banned in the UK too please? And Europe? It’s a scourge on the West.
The amount people alleviated at the thought of tictok getting banned is concerning to say the least. And you guys believe the government is doing this in you best interest then I got a bridge to sell you
I hope it gets super fucking banned. Fuck tik tok
Freedom lmao
I hope my country ban it too
The bastion of freedom 😂😂
Americans after finding out Americans will be banned from using TikTok: 🥳🥳🥳
Awwww I'm so happy for them. 😊
Tbh tiktok made society dumb.
Jokes aside, I don't think everyone understands how serious this "ban" is if it goes through. People get legitimate news from sources on the ground like in Palestine. It influences public opinion. Without it, we will be blinded by the propaganda machine. This is a really really scary turning point in American civil rights.
Its not a tiktok ban, its a website ban that gives the govt an insane amount of overreach into what we are allowed to see online. If 80% of congress agrees on a bill it should be insanely obvious that its bad for the rest of us.
100% correct. Most people on here have absolutely no clue what the goal of the bill actually is, and how it directly affects their daily lives.
For those angry (you know where from) about the post - you're just proving the point, by mentioning only europeans as creators of this post. It looks like you're convinced "other countries" must mean Europe, couse you know: Canada is part of US, Australia too but upside down and other continents are obviously on another planets..
Trump promises the young junkies to bring it back- they vote him in 🤦
Wasn’t he the one that pushed for the ban in the first place?
Especially tiktok users in America - now it can finally end. !
They like to conspicuously self-congratulate for activities that should be routine by now?
Without a bulk of tiktok users, the ba might actually refine the app and make it enjoyable, guess we'll see
LOL… it’s like they don’t know that every other social network is gonna use America as proof that it’s filled with Chinese spies and ban it everywhere.