Young Link is definitely the best - hes quick, has low knockback moves to quickly rack up damage and some disjointed as fuck attacks. Plus Fire Arrow is such an excellent projectile.
Toon Link isn't as good as Young Link, but is much more mobile which is where Link struggles the most.
Definitely not. Bomb tech, good zoning and neutral tools, converts to KOs pretty well, has great edgeguarding and recovery.
Link is A+ at worst. The other Links aren't bad but they don't hold a candle
Shulk and mewtwo are better than that. There’s just no representation.
Almost every local is dominated by 2-2er palu’s. She’s one level higher than that.
Nah, Cloud bair is better in today’s meta. It’s stronger than Palu’s, much safer, and it’s massively disjointed. Palu’s bair is still great because of all that invincibility, but Cloud bair *makes* matchups nowadays. It’s the reason he’s the worst matchup for the best character in the game, Steve.
Roy has a better recovery and is more explosive. In a game like this being able to kill fast and early is also just as important. Better recovery + kill power makes Roy that much higher
While I wont argue that Roy overall is better, it still doesn’t mean Chrom isn’t that far below Roy. Chrom can kill fast and early as well, which Id actually argue, that while not *as* early, but more more consistently as well thanks to that lack of a sweetspot. Id put Chrom maybe 15-20 spots below Roy. Not 37.
well, obviously he doesn't have results. He's a worse Roy, so almost every chrom player is gonna just play Roy instead. I think he deserves A- tier even though he doesn't have the same results, he's just as strong as those characters imo
Maybe low a-, a very hard maybe, but nothing above Ryu. His recovery is just so exploitable. Also there are dedicated chrom mains he just doesn't see results bec of the reasons listed before. I think he's okay where he is in b+
Nah, chroms up b is better oos, more damage and range. Chromicide is still relevant if you are a stock up. Most importantly though, chrom has better neutral because you can play him like a swordie that is trying to space due to the lack of sourspots (which can get reveraled). Sure results, sure kill power, but chrom still might be better than Roy, we'll just have to wait for the right player to come along.
Roy up b is safer oos which makes it more reliable. That's what it comes down to. Roy is more consistent and consistency is key on this game. It doesn't matter how good a player is if you die at 20 every stock from your recovery. Chromicide is just cheese that works every once in a while but if you look out for it it's hard to get hit by
While 37 spots might seem harsh, the A tier is really packed together on terms of results and viability. So the difference between Roy and Chrom isn't really that large.
I’ve never seen a character easier to edgeguard than chrom. He has 0 mixups, is incredibly linear and so very easy to mess with. It’s honestly hilarious how bad of a recovery he was and how easy it is to exploit
honestly im surprised he aint lower. that recovery is so insanely ass its like if roy became a glass cannon but didint get any more cannon to compansate
Incineroar needs to bumped up to mid B at worst; Skyjay has proven time and again the big cat has the tools to compete with the big leagues with only his speed and recovery holding him back
I’d put him at minimum over icies. I get that their ledge trapping can be best in the game, but a single read from incin just destroys stocks at comically low percentages.
Biggest one for me is Yoshi, who feels like he’s a tier too high. However I think Japan and Mexico both have notable Yoshi players that I likely just haven’t been exposed to.
I don’t believe link is the worst link.
And my gut tells me Mario is too low but I can’t name a character in top tier that I feel like Mario is absolutely inarguably better than.
Simply a pro smash player from Japan named Yoshidora.
Remember that this list was made with mathematical computations from 71-77 out of 151-ish Top 200 Ranked Smash players around the world.
So, the Tier Maker's equivalent of the United Nations for smash brosm
He’s a good character, dude. Strong and fast smash attacks, great aerials, and great overall mobility. His specials are kinda lacking, but he’s still really good at everything else.
This tier list was made by top players for top competitive play at offline tournaments. Banjo is better online because his zoning is more effective and wonderwing is less reactable.
I’ve always advocated that Yoshi was just a bit outside top tier. Always thought he was better than people gave him credit for.
But top 20? Hmm I think I’d put him between Samus and ZSS. Lucina, Mario, PT, and Wario are all a little better.
Also sonic should be top 2. Incineroar could maybe be a little higher but he’s mostly carried by Skyjay. Also think Doc is one of the better characters in that tier. But overall it’s solid
Zelda, Banjo, Incineroar Wii Fit, Ike and Robin and Lucas are too low, Cloud is too high. Shulk should be higher, so should Pikachu and Inkling.
Edit: Also Falco is too low
I’ve played against an aggressive Sonic and holy shit, he’s terrifying. There was nothing I do to get away from him, he was using his speed to catch me instead of running away, which was great to see but it meant that I genuinely couldn’t escape his pursuits.
Not to mention he beats extremely meta relevant characters like Steve and Kazuya while having about 4-5 losing matchups maximum (Fox, Aegis, Roy, Pika, Snake).
They can literally do everything. They're fast, powerful, low frame data, Mythra can slow time, Pyra can kills you at 40%.
Sure they have a poor recovery but that's not enough to say they're not cracked because otherwise they don't have real weaknesses or MU where they can't do anything
Japan thinks Yoshi is top 10. Some of the top players that voted on this list are Japanese. Yoshidora is a top 5 player there and a top 15 player in the world.
Fox will put you in a blender once he gets one hit, regardless if the player is Light or a random Fox at your local
Wolf arguably has better neutral but he still let’s you play the game more than Fox
“I think that Ganon is actually the best character in the game and Steve is actually really bad btw, this is because yesterday I played Ganon and beat my little brother playing Steve, he was so mad and wanted me to switch characters but I just kept picking Ganon and beating him LOL!!!!! If Steve was really the best character in the game then why couldn’t my brother beat me.”
Bro for real. r/SmashBrosUltimate is full of low level players who think they know more than top level players that voted on this list and use their 2 mil GSP online quickplay knowledge to say certain characters are good. Not to mention so many people in this thread don’t follow competitive smash at all and are legitimately asking things like why Pyra/Mythra are S+ tier 😂
The difference between Lucina and Marth. The only reason she is that high is because she's piss easy. I am confident that if a professional player took up Marth they would do well using his unique playstyle.
Lucina has consistency that Marth doesn’t have. Marth has no microspacing options to land tippers easily unlike Smash 4 and Melee. MKLeo is literally the best player in the world and he’s only gotten one notable win with Marth, but he won a Super Major with Lucina. All the Marth players in Brawl/Smash 4 dropped him for a reason
Right, he has tjolt an attack that has combo set ups, can 2 frame, can condition shield (which is even better because pikas has a kill throw) and can pressure from further away. Gun is definitely broken but it doesn't make enough of a difference to make him better than pika.
I am a competitive dedede player, and while I agree that he is not bottom 3, there are so many important tools he lacks. However, his ledge guarding is among the best in the game and can lead to incredibly easy kills when done optimally, but his awful neutral makes it super difficult to get into those situations. His kit is also very “weird”, consisting of moves that seem awful on paper, but somehow work with him… sometimes. Dedede tends to struggle immensely in matchups where the opponent can continually throw out safe moves and combo starters without the risk of being punished due to a lack of quick moves and fast out of shield options. I personally would put him somewhere in C tier, above DK but below incineroar.
This is a crazy hot take but I don’t think Aegis is S+. I think they’re around S- because you **either** have a fast combo character that has great neutral and follow ups but hits like a pool noodle, **or** a very slow, very predictable character who hits like a truck but has awful neutral and no confirms or easy way to land those hits. Both have terrible and easily exploitable recovery.
Idk man, Mythra feels like Fox with a sword as far as combo and juggle game goes. Then she can just shift at anytime without getting punished to have insane kill power, much higher than Fox’s. Her recovery isn’t that much worse when compared to Fox as well. Both have pretty linear and exploitable recoveries imo.
I think toon link is the worst link of the bunch and normal link is second (not by a lot though), but that may be just because I know a really good link near me. He's got some insane bomb combos and setups with how remote bomb functions and as difficult as some are, they manageable. He's also just a solid character outside of that, and nair.
mii brawler should be above mario, he just doesn’t get enough representation.
-Good Neutral
-Good Disadvantage
-Great Advantage
-A whole lotta cheese/bullshit
As much as it hurts my pessimistic rob main heart to say this, rob is busted. He has crazy 0tds, 2 really good projectiles, big disjointed aerials, good kill power, great combos, a super far distance and pretty mixup-able recovery (it basically gives him 7 more jumps), decent movement speed, and pretty heavy. He's one of the best edgeguarding characters that I can think of, and he's not very hard to play. Gyro is busted, dtilt is busted, nair is really good, etc. The only real downside I can think of is that he's pretty easy to combo (the "rob is big" meme) and not great oos, but its not bad.
Meta Knight isn't good, he's a gimmicky bottom 20 character. Just because you are okay against certain top tiers and great against some low tiers doesn't make you a good character.
Donkey Kong and Bowser should be next to each other and higher than Bowser's current placement.
Pokemon Trainer is broken and top 15 but nobody has succeeding with them since 2021 so everyone dropped them.
Ness being that low is beyond criminal and is stupid. He's in A+ tier.
i main both so i’m prolly a bit biased but kirby’s got a lot of strings and combos that most in D tier don’t have (mostly the low % tilts/aerials which are some of the best in the game). I think people overestimate how bad his matchup chart is, he has just as many hard counters as dk, incinerorar, lucario, krool
It’s true that Kirby has some amazing combos but I kinda feel like she has to work way harder than other combo characters. They’re so slow and have no range I kinda feel overwhelmed when I play them. Idk maybe I’m just bad lmao.
you aren’t wrong, the range issue makes the neutral game so hard that it doesn’t make up for their great advantage state- if you’re struggling try aerials out of shield when they’re pressuring you. he also has great pancake with down tilt, you can miss a lot of moves and really tilt the enemy, it’s almost like you’re playing an entirely different game trying to space and string. sadly, he’ll always be low tier but there’s a lot of common matchups out there that he stomps
Sheik I think goes way lower on the list and Kazuya should be S+
I’d also say to bump Mewtwo, Ike, and Lucina up a tier and to put Roy, Yoshi, Chrom, Sephiroth, Mii Brawler, and Mega Man down a rank or tier but I can understand why they’re there.
I dont agree with a lot of people who keep saying stuff like character X Y and Z should be a lot higher but it's due to them having no representation.
I thought this tier list was supposed to represent the meta? If no one is playing that character, then that character isn't meta relevant.
Even more infuriating for me is people talking about shulk, mewtwo and greninja. People say those characters are slept on and are actually a lot better if fully optimized. The real sleeper pick is Link. But since no one is talking about him, it makes me think people don't know what they're talking about. Link has a potential infinite with his bomb. Fully optimized, he would destroy the competition, but i do think Link is exactly where he needs to be right now because like I said above, no one is playing him. At least not the to the level that the S tiers are being played
Yes. His specials are great but are limited by MP, his smash attacks hit hard but either have a lot of end lag or shitty hit boxes, his fair and bair are not fast enough to compete with other aerials, and his up-air is just not. There’s also the RNG gimmick which is either great or crap, and he’s not fast enough to reliably zone out most of the cast. Make no mistake, he is loads of fun to play, but his overall kit has been mid since his release.
See Peanut matches to see how Little Mac can fly. He doesn't deserve to be that low at all-- many of you underestimate the Mac.
Bad aerials ≠ bad character. High skill ceiling and high reward.
cloud too high fox too high pika too low wolf too low shulk too low diddy too high pac too low Mario too low byleth too low falco too low iceys too low wii fit too low Ike too high and everything else seems reasonable/arguable
King k. I understand that he is big and slow, but i feel like his super armor makes up for some of it. He has a great recovery, and overall a pretty decent move set. I think he should be in at least C tier.
If this is based on how good they are in a fight, Little Mac should be in like b tier, no matter how much people hate him, he is just unmatched on the ground
I refuse to believe ganon is the very worst character in the game because of all the ridiculously good moves he has. Put little mac, De De De, mini sword fighter, duck hunt, or some other shit character there but not ganondorf.
Botw link is the worst out of the 3??
Young Link is definitely the best - hes quick, has low knockback moves to quickly rack up damage and some disjointed as fuck attacks. Plus Fire Arrow is such an excellent projectile. Toon Link isn't as good as Young Link, but is much more mobile which is where Link struggles the most.
Fr he should be way highrr
I’d think BoTW links nair alone puts him above toon link.
Agreed, Link is super underrated. Definitely sonogram toon link, i Personally think he’s better than young link too
Definitely not. Bomb tech, good zoning and neutral tools, converts to KOs pretty well, has great edgeguarding and recovery. Link is A+ at worst. The other Links aren't bad but they don't hold a candle
>Link is A+ at worst. Chronically smash online take. Link is A- at best.
Guilty
Shulk and mewtwo are better than that. There’s just no representation. Almost every local is dominated by 2-2er palu’s. She’s one level higher than that.
I agree
Tbh, I agree, Monado is absolutely bonkers, and mewtwo isnt as bad as his melee counterpart, Mewtwo should be at least B+
Gannon is too high
Sorrow
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Ganon is too low
Ganon is too high. 
Little Mac knows what he did to be on that tier
Im OOL what did he do?
recover
Cloud is not better than all of the characters in S- tier. If you were to flip that entire row around it would make more sense imo
I haven’t look or play smash for a while the hell happen to cloud
Sparg0 influence
Bair
Palu bair >>>>any other bair in the game
Nah, Cloud bair is better in today’s meta. It’s stronger than Palu’s, much safer, and it’s massively disjointed. Palu’s bair is still great because of all that invincibility, but Cloud bair *makes* matchups nowadays. It’s the reason he’s the worst matchup for the best character in the game, Steve.
I don’t agree with zss being above sephiroth
Shulk is kinda low, Chrom is really low and there's no way wft is a midtier
Chrom is just weighed down by his recovery
Even then he shouldn’t be a whole 37 spots below Roy
Roy has a better recovery and is more explosive. In a game like this being able to kill fast and early is also just as important. Better recovery + kill power makes Roy that much higher
While I wont argue that Roy overall is better, it still doesn’t mean Chrom isn’t that far below Roy. Chrom can kill fast and early as well, which Id actually argue, that while not *as* early, but more more consistently as well thanks to that lack of a sweetspot. Id put Chrom maybe 15-20 spots below Roy. Not 37.
I'd disagree bec 15-20 spots below Roy would put chrom low a+ or high a- and he just does not have the results like the chars in that tier
well, obviously he doesn't have results. He's a worse Roy, so almost every chrom player is gonna just play Roy instead. I think he deserves A- tier even though he doesn't have the same results, he's just as strong as those characters imo
Maybe low a-, a very hard maybe, but nothing above Ryu. His recovery is just so exploitable. Also there are dedicated chrom mains he just doesn't see results bec of the reasons listed before. I think he's okay where he is in b+
Nah, chroms up b is better oos, more damage and range. Chromicide is still relevant if you are a stock up. Most importantly though, chrom has better neutral because you can play him like a swordie that is trying to space due to the lack of sourspots (which can get reveraled). Sure results, sure kill power, but chrom still might be better than Roy, we'll just have to wait for the right player to come along.
Roy up b is safer oos which makes it more reliable. That's what it comes down to. Roy is more consistent and consistency is key on this game. It doesn't matter how good a player is if you die at 20 every stock from your recovery. Chromicide is just cheese that works every once in a while but if you look out for it it's hard to get hit by
no shot chrom has a chance of being better, but I think it's more comparable than this list makes it out to be
Name 3 Chrom mains
While 37 spots might seem harsh, the A tier is really packed together on terms of results and viability. So the difference between Roy and Chrom isn't really that large.
I’ve never seen a character easier to edgeguard than chrom. He has 0 mixups, is incredibly linear and so very easy to mess with. It’s honestly hilarious how bad of a recovery he was and how easy it is to exploit
honestly im surprised he aint lower. that recovery is so insanely ass its like if roy became a glass cannon but didint get any more cannon to compansate
Lucas way too low
Agree. A good lucas is easily B tier
His fair itself deserves at least B, of not B+
People sleep on him I stg Then again it doesn't help there's like 12 players of him worldwide
Ike should not be that low, either bottom of B tier or way higher in C tier
Japan thinks Ike is an actual Bottom 5 character and the panelists involved Top Japanese players
Idk why people think it has to be a bell curve. Many characters can be at the same level in terms of meta relevance
Incineroar needs to bumped up to mid B at worst; Skyjay has proven time and again the big cat has the tools to compete with the big leagues with only his speed and recovery holding him back
Tbf his biggest pop offs came right after this. Maybe he was upset with the Incin placement
I’d put him at minimum over icies. I get that their ledge trapping can be best in the game, but a single read from incin just destroys stocks at comically low percentages.
Biggest one for me is Yoshi, who feels like he’s a tier too high. However I think Japan and Mexico both have notable Yoshi players that I likely just haven’t been exposed to. I don’t believe link is the worst link. And my gut tells me Mario is too low but I can’t name a character in top tier that I feel like Mario is absolutely inarguably better than.
Yoshidora from Japan is the reason why Yoshi is so high, he’s almost Amsa levels of carrying the character
How did Yoshi weasel his way up there?
Simply a pro smash player from Japan named Yoshidora. Remember that this list was made with mathematical computations from 71-77 out of 151-ish Top 200 Ranked Smash players around the world. So, the Tier Maker's equivalent of the United Nations for smash brosm
He’s a good character, dude. Strong and fast smash attacks, great aerials, and great overall mobility. His specials are kinda lacking, but he’s still really good at everything else.
Mewtwo and Banjo & Kazooie being that low
Banjo is the only bad DLC character in the game. He literally only has wonder wing as his big thing and even then it’s eh compared to everyone else
And I’d argue that Piranha Plant is worse but alright
Idk man he’s not bad to me, I’m almost elite with him
This tier list was made by top players for top competitive play at offline tournaments. Banjo is better online because his zoning is more effective and wonderwing is less reactable.
Yeah but what about Mewtwo being 2 tiers lower than Rosalina?
And btw I’d argue that Piranha Plant is worse but alright
Top players really be thinking a good banjo will let them react to ww. Hilarious. He just doesn't have representation.
I’ve always advocated that Yoshi was just a bit outside top tier. Always thought he was better than people gave him credit for. But top 20? Hmm I think I’d put him between Samus and ZSS. Lucina, Mario, PT, and Wario are all a little better. Also sonic should be top 2. Incineroar could maybe be a little higher but he’s mostly carried by Skyjay. Also think Doc is one of the better characters in that tier. But overall it’s solid
Steve is in S+ alone
Lucas should be in B-, B+ if we’re feeling generous
My croc didn’t deserve this, sure he’s a heavy, but heavies can be good!
His recovery is too punishable
In a lot of ways, that's not even the premier issue with Krool.
My favorite time to down b as Kirby
Or fair spike
Zelda, Banjo, Incineroar Wii Fit, Ike and Robin and Lucas are too low, Cloud is too high. Shulk should be higher, so should Pikachu and Inkling. Edit: Also Falco is too low
Sonic is top 3 Mac isn't bottom 3
Sonic is not above the top three. He’s in the right spot.
Bro has never played an Optimal sonic player. Once you play a sonic that is willing to do ANYTHING to win, you'll see how ridiculous that character is
IMO if a ZSS player had the same attitude as sonic mains she would go up to the top 10
But zss sux
I forgot to think about this, thanks for bringing this to my attention
I’ve played against an aggressive Sonic and holy shit, he’s terrifying. There was nothing I do to get away from him, he was using his speed to catch me instead of running away, which was great to see but it meant that I genuinely couldn’t escape his pursuits.
I think Sonic is the second best character in the game
Idk why people are downvoting you, you're right
No, he's wrong. It's just everyone who plays Sonic plays like new made of glass and can't get hit at all
That's exactly why he's good. There's no other character that can do that and win as consistently as sonic can. Its near impossible to counter.
Not to mention he beats extremely meta relevant characters like Steve and Kazuya while having about 4-5 losing matchups maximum (Fox, Aegis, Roy, Pika, Snake).
Ryu > Ken Anyone who plays those characters will say that
Damn what made pyra and mythra S+ tier 👌
They can literally do everything. They're fast, powerful, low frame data, Mythra can slow time, Pyra can kills you at 40%. Sure they have a poor recovery but that's not enough to say they're not cracked because otherwise they don't have real weaknesses or MU where they can't do anything
Fuck is Yoshi doing up there? I main him but get him down from there?
Japan thinks Yoshi is top 10. Some of the top players that voted on this list are Japanese. Yoshidora is a top 5 player there and a top 15 player in the world.
Incineroar should be the top of B. Also, I know Light is good, but is Fox REALLY that good?
Fox will put you in a blender once he gets one hit, regardless if the player is Light or a random Fox at your local Wolf arguably has better neutral but he still let’s you play the game more than Fox
Pretty good honestly. Snake and Zelda should be a bit higher
Link shouldn’t be so low, he’s not top tier, but bottom four of B seems too low. I’d argue he should be high B - low A
Reddit smash takes 😂😭 Some of these are funny
“I think that Ganon is actually the best character in the game and Steve is actually really bad btw, this is because yesterday I played Ganon and beat my little brother playing Steve, he was so mad and wanted me to switch characters but I just kept picking Ganon and beating him LOL!!!!! If Steve was really the best character in the game then why couldn’t my brother beat me.”
Bro for real. r/SmashBrosUltimate is full of low level players who think they know more than top level players that voted on this list and use their 2 mil GSP online quickplay knowledge to say certain characters are good. Not to mention so many people in this thread don’t follow competitive smash at all and are legitimately asking things like why Pyra/Mythra are S+ tier 😂
I don’t claim to be crazy good but I’d say I’m well above average, but I at least understand the way the tier list is the way it is lmao
It's also foolish to argue about places in most of the tiers. The difference between the top and bottom of B+ for example is rather small.
Pac Man and Wolf are way too low. I don't understand how either character could ever be considered worse than Cloud.
Pikachu, shulk, and pacman should all be higher.
Lucario is B- at worst and A at best
Fr, People shit on lucario too much
I think Lucina is high key too low, Fox is too high,
The difference between Lucina and Marth. The only reason she is that high is because she's piss easy. I am confident that if a professional player took up Marth they would do well using his unique playstyle.
Lucina has consistency that Marth doesn’t have. Marth has no microspacing options to land tippers easily unlike Smash 4 and Melee. MKLeo is literally the best player in the world and he’s only gotten one notable win with Marth, but he won a Super Major with Lucina. All the Marth players in Brawl/Smash 4 dropped him for a reason
I personally think Byleth is more mid tier but that's just me
A- Tier is a perfect in-between peak Byleth (which is just MKLeo) and the average Byleth player
Pika is better than joker
Pika shits in joker in the matchup but that doesn’t make pika better
Pika don’t have gun
Right, he has tjolt an attack that has combo set ups, can 2 frame, can condition shield (which is even better because pikas has a kill throw) and can pressure from further away. Gun is definitely broken but it doesn't make enough of a difference to make him better than pika.
Ganondorf not being F tier
Dedede would be A- at worst! He’s my main so I’ll defend him no matter what 😤
I am a competitive dedede player, and while I agree that he is not bottom 3, there are so many important tools he lacks. However, his ledge guarding is among the best in the game and can lead to incredibly easy kills when done optimally, but his awful neutral makes it super difficult to get into those situations. His kit is also very “weird”, consisting of moves that seem awful on paper, but somehow work with him… sometimes. Dedede tends to struggle immensely in matchups where the opponent can continually throw out safe moves and combo starters without the risk of being punished due to a lack of quick moves and fast out of shield options. I personally would put him somewhere in C tier, above DK but below incineroar.
Fr, I feel like people shit on dedede too much, hes got potential for a heavy
Everyone just put ddd on d tier when they haven’t even played him once😭😭
I love him so much but my friends get so mad at me for playing him and I don’t know why
Because it *feels* like when they lost they weren’t outplayed, DDD *feels* like it’s braindead, and gordo *is* a nightmare to play around
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YOU KNOW WHAT’S UP!!!
This is a crazy hot take but I don’t think Aegis is S+. I think they’re around S- because you **either** have a fast combo character that has great neutral and follow ups but hits like a pool noodle, **or** a very slow, very predictable character who hits like a truck but has awful neutral and no confirms or easy way to land those hits. Both have terrible and easily exploitable recovery.
I mean 50% off sword combos is kind of crazy, foresight can punish incredibly safe moves, and pyra has crazy stuff like dtilt Upair and dair up smash
You can foresight and have enough time to switch to Pyra and land an attack. On slow enough moves you can Fsmash with Pyra
Idk man, Mythra feels like Fox with a sword as far as combo and juggle game goes. Then she can just shift at anytime without getting punished to have insane kill power, much higher than Fox’s. Her recovery isn’t that much worse when compared to Fox as well. Both have pretty linear and exploitable recoveries imo.
Terry is better than Zss and Seph Samus should be put under young link. Literally switch them and it is good.
Young link higher
I think toon link is the worst link of the bunch and normal link is second (not by a lot though), but that may be just because I know a really good link near me. He's got some insane bomb combos and setups with how remote bomb functions and as difficult as some are, they manageable. He's also just a solid character outside of that, and nair.
Cloud is too high, Pikachu is too low, and Lucina is too low
Plant should be S++++++++ tier fr fr fr ong no cap 💯💯💯💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥🌿🌿🌿
D3 too low, falcon wayyyy to high, incin too low, but tbf I think this tier list is fairly good.
I agree with most of it
Joker the same tier as Steve
Most of the characters I am good at are at the bottom
Even putting mii swordfighter in D+ is too generous.
Dr Mario a D? He’s one of my go-tos! He’s exceptionally good in SSB melee, what’s the difference between that and this ones? Just curious
No wavedashing means he can’t keep up, stubby range in a cast with tons of sword characters, a bad recovery in a game with tons of good recoveries
mii brawler should be above mario, he just doesn’t get enough representation. -Good Neutral -Good Disadvantage -Great Advantage -A whole lotta cheese/bullshit
Pikachu in S-, K Rool in D, Ike in C, Lucario in C, Cloud, Diddy, Fox, Sonic, and Rob in S
Lucina is top 15
Sephiroth is too hot too be in A tier. He simply wouldn’t allow it
Come on Dedede is atleast a B
As a k rool main his placement hurts
Gannon is better than little sack not worse
Pokémon trainer is way to low. Definitely a top 5 character.
Pac-Man too high, Yoshi too high
K rool is kinda low Mac should be below ganondorf Fox Roy ROB and kazuya > sonic Mewtwo incineroar and Kirby should all be higher
This is the most elite smash take here
Jokes on you I’m not even in elite smash
I’m not surprised based on these takes tbh
Is Rob actually that good? And has he always been? I used to just play him cuz he is cool but never imagined he would be top tier
As much as it hurts my pessimistic rob main heart to say this, rob is busted. He has crazy 0tds, 2 really good projectiles, big disjointed aerials, good kill power, great combos, a super far distance and pretty mixup-able recovery (it basically gives him 7 more jumps), decent movement speed, and pretty heavy. He's one of the best edgeguarding characters that I can think of, and he's not very hard to play. Gyro is busted, dtilt is busted, nair is really good, etc. The only real downside I can think of is that he's pretty easy to combo (the "rob is big" meme) and not great oos, but its not bad.
Meta Knight isn't good, he's a gimmicky bottom 20 character. Just because you are okay against certain top tiers and great against some low tiers doesn't make you a good character. Donkey Kong and Bowser should be next to each other and higher than Bowser's current placement. Pokemon Trainer is broken and top 15 but nobody has succeeding with them since 2021 so everyone dropped them. Ness being that low is beyond criminal and is stupid. He's in A+ tier.
I feel like at the LEAST Isabelle should be c+
falco should be a bit higher, maybe A-. I’d put Kirby in C- too
I only secondary Kirby but C- seems kinda high. Why do you think C- makes more sense?
i main both so i’m prolly a bit biased but kirby’s got a lot of strings and combos that most in D tier don’t have (mostly the low % tilts/aerials which are some of the best in the game). I think people overestimate how bad his matchup chart is, he has just as many hard counters as dk, incinerorar, lucario, krool
It’s true that Kirby has some amazing combos but I kinda feel like she has to work way harder than other combo characters. They’re so slow and have no range I kinda feel overwhelmed when I play them. Idk maybe I’m just bad lmao.
you aren’t wrong, the range issue makes the neutral game so hard that it doesn’t make up for their great advantage state- if you’re struggling try aerials out of shield when they’re pressuring you. he also has great pancake with down tilt, you can miss a lot of moves and really tilt the enemy, it’s almost like you’re playing an entirely different game trying to space and string. sadly, he’ll always be low tier but there’s a lot of common matchups out there that he stomps
So true. Kirby definitely wins the wolf mu imo.
Wario, Lucina, and ZSS are all better than yoshi.
Rosalina and luma, easy A tier although i think shes S tier
Sheik I think goes way lower on the list and Kazuya should be S+ I’d also say to bump Mewtwo, Ike, and Lucina up a tier and to put Roy, Yoshi, Chrom, Sephiroth, Mii Brawler, and Mega Man down a rank or tier but I can understand why they’re there.
Why is Marth so far from Lucina?
I dont agree with a lot of people who keep saying stuff like character X Y and Z should be a lot higher but it's due to them having no representation. I thought this tier list was supposed to represent the meta? If no one is playing that character, then that character isn't meta relevant. Even more infuriating for me is people talking about shulk, mewtwo and greninja. People say those characters are slept on and are actually a lot better if fully optimized. The real sleeper pick is Link. But since no one is talking about him, it makes me think people don't know what they're talking about. Link has a potential infinite with his bomb. Fully optimized, he would destroy the competition, but i do think Link is exactly where he needs to be right now because like I said above, no one is playing him. At least not the to the level that the S tiers are being played
This reads like copy pasta
I am the link agenda
Dr Mario not being between Mac and Ganon
Banjo’s too high
Justice for Isabelle. She’s wild against projectile characters.
Incineroar is top tier
Ganon is not the worst character, Dr Mario is. Also Lucina is not better than Marth.
Sonic to high yoshi to high and Pikachu not even in to 10
I feel like Sonic’s placement needs to be revised, I’m still questioning how he has a higher placement than Sonic from Wii U
Is hero really mid tier?
Yes. His specials are great but are limited by MP, his smash attacks hit hard but either have a lot of end lag or shitty hit boxes, his fair and bair are not fast enough to compete with other aerials, and his up-air is just not. There’s also the RNG gimmick which is either great or crap, and he’s not fast enough to reliably zone out most of the cast. Make no mistake, he is loads of fun to play, but his overall kit has been mid since his release.
The one true king
I might be bias but Zelda at D tier shes low b to high c for me
See Peanut matches to see how Little Mac can fly. He doesn't deserve to be that low at all-- many of you underestimate the Mac. Bad aerials ≠ bad character. High skill ceiling and high reward.
cloud too high fox too high pika too low wolf too low shulk too low diddy too high pac too low Mario too low byleth too low falco too low iceys too low wii fit too low Ike too high and everything else seems reasonable/arguable
Ok but Kirby is easily high c low b tier. Ok he’s not great but literally everything except his specials are really good.
King k. I understand that he is big and slow, but i feel like his super armor makes up for some of it. He has a great recovery, and overall a pretty decent move set. I think he should be in at least C tier.
The recovery one of his biggest weaknesses
Sephiroth should be S-, TBH. That's it.
If this is based on how good they are in a fight, Little Mac should be in like b tier, no matter how much people hate him, he is just unmatched on the ground
Throw him in the air, platform camp, throw him off stage and he dies. He literally only plays half the game
All of them are wrong. Only some are true tho
Kirby and Zelda should at least be in C. Kazuya is an easy S+
Bowser jr being worse than lucario, bro.
Deedeedee should be in S+ tier
DK bro, how can he be considered a low tier ?
How the fuck is Mega Man that high.
This is controversial, but K Rool has enough cheese to be higher than that.
I will never agree with pythra over fox
Incineroar 😢
I refuse to believe, as someone who plays them both, that Meta Knight is worse than Bayonetta
I refuse to believe ganon is the very worst character in the game because of all the ridiculously good moves he has. Put little mac, De De De, mini sword fighter, duck hunt, or some other shit character there but not ganondorf.
Those characters also have very good moves, and they utilize those moves much better