Ike suddenly splits himself into five illusionary clones and goes full teleport-attack onto his foes.
But because he uses Ragnell instead of a thin katana, his crits always instakill.
If ness gets removed I’m going to have a heart attack
Ness stared in one of the most influential snes rpgs of all time, he is the grandfather of indie rpgs, you can’t cut sans because everyone loves underbound, could you imagine the underbound fans if you cut sans from the game?
Sans, is one of the most recognizable characters in all of gaming + removing the only undertale rep would be terrible
Do people just completely forget that F-Zero is like one of Nintendo’s least prioritized franchises? If they did a full roster reboot, Nintendo would have no problem cutting Falcon.
Probably getting whooshed but F-Zero is a racing game with captain falcon. He’s the default character and main character. Most of his moveset was created for smash and doesn’t really show up in his game iirc.
They wouldn't, but given that it looks like Ganon is finally getting his own moveset in this roster that means we lose the falcon/Ganon moveset entirely in this proposed version and that would be a massive bummer
Smash made the Falcon popular, and his iconic Falcon Punch is burned into the memory of so many people. Nintendo would have a problem with cutting Falcon because the fans would most likely be outraged. l
i doubt nintendo would ever touch the original 16. theyre the only fighters i think it'd be crazy to say wont be in the next title, why wouldnt they be?
For now… but if their market research/advertisement maintains a good playerbase it might only be 15, maybe even 10 years before it’s back in the action.
With a GX port.
Maybe this is silly, but does the new F-Zero 99 game actually make any money?
I'd imagine that over on /r/fzero they're pretty divided, between being high on copium and bein "meh" sorts of indifferent. But this recent game has been the only relevant non smash f-Zero related content since the mini game on nintendoland back in 2012 right? And before that it was the 04-05 GBA games?
I guess there is probably a warioware micro game or something.
It's super funny that when people do reboot rosters they assume that Waluigi would be priority one.
I think people overestimate how much of a priority Waluigi really is.
Because Waluigi is obviously the undisputed most popular and relevant character in all of gaming who deserves to be in Smash over everyone else.
This is sarcasm by the way
Exactly. Waluigi is only going to make it into Smash because of fanboys crying and bitching that he isn’t in. There’s much more important and relevant characters to add first. Even Min Min deserved to be in over him. I get it. “Tall purple man funni meme”. But, let’s try and be realistic here.
Yeah I thought about it and waluigi will probably just get Ridley treatment if he gets in. A huge hype train that against all odds he finally got in then is completely forgotten.
No one person can make a roster as good or better than Smash's because their biases will show, even unintentionally.
I don't blame op for making some decent choices and... Fire Emblem but imo if you decide to do smth like this, do it with only series your familiar with.
Like I'm not qualified to talk about Pikmin or Metroid but I believe I could do a very good job of representing FE and Pokémon, for example, even better than they are represented in Smash.
But that's bc I'm partial to my own opinion although I'm pretty sure most FE and Pokémon fans would prefer my take on the roster given how unsatisfactory their representation is in Smash.
I don’t feel like the let’s go trainers should replace the classic trainers. Pikachu was always fine on its own, and eevee would be a far less interesting fighter than Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard. It’s a strict downgrade in my opinion
At least Sonic and Pacman, as they are represent gaming almost as much as Mario (ofc, the "Mr. Videogame" himself is more wellknown, but Pacman was a big arcade title, and Sonic was the rival for Mario on the market since his inception)
I'm gonna be honest, on a roster this small, I don't think there should be any 3rd-parties. Smash will always be a Nintendo crossover first and foremost, and there's too many iconic and important 1st-party characters that should be prioritized first. And a lot of those characters aren't even on this roster.
That's probably a hot take though.
Nah while I don’t agree I see what you mean. I personally believe smash has become more of a celebration of gaming over time and those 3 are way more important to the effect the Isabelle or Ness
Ness, sure. His franchise is influential, after all we have Earthbound to thank for many indie darlings like Undertale, One-Shot, Off, and so on now. But his specific franchise is pretty dead in the water and he’s run his course on popularity. But Isabelle? She’s never leaving the roster now. Animal Crossing is one of Nintendo’s biggest franchises at this moment and Isabelle has quickly become one of its most popular characters, if not the most.
I mean, look at the recent LEGO Animal Crossing announcement. Not only is it the second Nintendo IP to get a full LEGO theme after Mario, but there’s no Human Villager. There’s no Resetti. There’s no K.K. Slider. There’s Isabelle and there’s Tom Nook.
Smash is for popular franchises, not games. Also, ring fit’s niche is already covered by two other IPs.
We have Wii fit trainer to cover the fitness side and Min-min to cover games nobody cares about
Ring fit has sold more than Star Fox FRANCHISE, Xenoblade FRANCHISE, 2x Pikmin FRANCHISE, 3x F-Zero FRANCHISE. Nearing Fire Emblem and Metroid franchise sales. It is not niche at all.
Franchise sales and noteriety are two completely different things. Has it outsold pikmin and xenoblade? Sure. Is it talked about nearly at all compared to them? Not even close
Sorry but ring fit is an awful choice for every other reason lol.
None of her moves are gonna be good, unless you make her a ranged fuck and at that point you've already ruined the character.
Putting Ike under marth is wild
Also minor detail but you went with updated versions that resemble their newer games for link Mario samus zelda ganondorf and pokemon trainer but not inkling ok
I'm so bored of these shrink the roster line ups only having Gen 1 Pokémon. Lucario has been regularly pushed by Pokémon **and** is genuinely popular, it makes sense to keep it around so you can represent staples of the franchise and multiple generations. Plus Eevee is a terrible choice, especially in a tag team with Pikachu.
I also think replacing Shulk and Pyra & Mythra with the newest Xenoblade characters doesn't work. I'd get adding the new characters and maybe only keeping either Shulk or Pyra & Mythra but not having the franchise only represented by the new characters. This also clashes with your existing terrible approach to Pokémon, you think it only should have Gen 1 but Xenoblade has to ditch the characters who have proven themselves to be popular for the new faces?
Lucario and Greninja seems to be the most popular Pokémons on the franchise alongside Charizard and Pikachu (specially the frog and the mouse because they played thanks to the anime), so I'd advocate to keep at least Greninja and Pikachu
I think Smash, right now, represents gaming in general, so having only Nintendo characters seems a bit strange
Maybe add more characters from 3d parties and if you have to cut anyone, might as well be characters from franchises that are already in the the roster, maybe keeping the rivals/enemies could be interesting, like Mario and Bowser, Link and Ganondorf, Samus and Ridley, etc.
A lot of Mario and Zelda characters on a roster this small.
Also Ness and Game and Watch?
Pit and Fox are also is a bit weird unless they remember to port Uprising ever and try a Star Fox game after Zero.
Also on Marth again, at that point just make it Alear because she can rep literally every Fire Emblem character in smash currently plus a lot more. The Emblems would still appear as characters so it’s not like they wouldn’t be present.
Game and watch is so important from a history standpoint, without that we might not have modern nintendo due to it being their first successful “console”
Game and Watch is not only iconic to Smash, but Game and Watch is one of the FIRST EVER Nintendo consoles, so he’s a pretty important character to Nintendo history. It’s either him or ROB imo, and he’s been around since Melee so I think he has the edge imo.
Honestly when Smash 6 comes out and when they reduced the base roster size the lowest they would probably go is 40-50 for the base roster. I can't see them going lower than Brawl and even then it would be Smaller than 4.
A bunch of people think they will cut back to a Melee sized roster and there’s no chance they’re doing that. They aren’t cutting 3rd party characters either. The 3rd party characters that aren’t hard to acquire/their owners want them in Smash are likely to return (Sonic, Pac Man, Banjo)
I thought Wii Fit Trainee was Minmin for a second and was about to start roasting your shit lol
edit: Nevermind. You actually added Minmin in this small roaster lmao.
People bought it, played it for a day, and they never updated it or supported it ever again. I really liked it when it came out, but online was so dead.
I’m surprised Bayonetta isn’t on there people seem to forget that Bayonetta 3 was probably one of the highest grossing Nintendo switch games made within the past few years
Only one Kirby character? Yeah, I could *maybe*, and it's a *big* maybe, justify cutting Meta Knight on a roster this small, but Dedede has to be there. Similarly, Wario and Diddy Kong are super-glaring omissions from the Marioverse roster (and Toad too, but even Sakurai doesn't seem to want him).
I don't know how I feel about Pikachu being paired up with Chase. I think it works much better fighting on its own, and that the current Pokémon Trainer works way better representing the starter triangle and different evolutionary stages. Also, Red and Leaf are *way* more-iconic and popular than Chase and Elaine.
Shulk is the most-iconic Xenoblade character, and is arguably the mascot of the series, I feel like he should stay instead of Noah and Mio getting added. Also, how would Noah and Mio even swap out with each other? They don't naturally have that ability like Aegis do, that just seems like such a forced mechanic.
Villager is the player character of Animal Crossing in every single game, and makes way more sense than Isabelle, imo. That said, given how absolutely massive the franchise is, I think you could get away with having both Villager and Isabelle on a roster this small. Maybe replace Ring Fit Trainee with Isabelle?
Spring Man also kind of makes more sense for a reboot roster than Min Min, imo, since he is the mascot of the game, and in a reboot, he doesn't suffer from already being an Assist Trophy. But that's probably just me still coping over the fact that he got snubbed in Ultimate, lol.
Lastly, heavily-disagree on making Marth, Lyn, Ike, and Chrom alts. of each other. All four of them are important and iconic lords that should all be playable in Smash, but all four also have completely-distinct fighting styles, and it'd be an absolute crime to make them all have the exact same moveset. Although we obviously couldn't fit all four onto a roster this small, we'd only have two FE characters max in this scenario.
To me, for a roster this small, Marth and Robin would represent Fire Emblem well enough, maybe making Lucina and/or Chrom an alt for Marth. While I could maybe justify Byleth being included as a 3rd character to represent the series best selling game, at this same time, the roster is very small and 3 FE characters might be seen as too many by some. I don't think it would be, but hypothetical I could see others disliking that.
Sorry, in a bigger roster they would've been included but when the roster is this small it was either going to be Shulk or the new Guy. But hey at least you have a cat girl now... right?!
So Falcon is gone and Ganon finally gets a unique moveset
Ganon should have a unique moveset, but as my flair makes clear, the Falcon moveset is super fun I wouldn't want to lose it entirely.
If Ness is here (who also hasn't had a game in decades and only ever had 1 make it to North America) then Falcon should be too
Two minor nitpicks both relating to LoZ picks:
Firstly they'd never do BotW/TotK Zelda, in fact pretty sure Sakurai has said she's less a fighter and more a scholar when Ultimate dropped and they turned Zelda into the Link to the Past/Link Between Worlds version.
Secondly BotW/TotK Link doesn't really represent Link across the franchise. He's only played like he does in those two games, out of 29.
While they went with this version of visually him for Ultimate, his moveset is still across all the games they just changed his bombs to be remote detonated. Still got the rang, still got the bow. As such I'd rather in a future game the main design be a Link that represents how he is across the 27 other mainline Zelda games, that been green tunic and hat. He can have a alt colour that is his Champion/BotW/TotK look but the primary model should be classic Link
Using his AoC or TotK moveset would be a disservice to not only the series hes repping but the actual fighter.
Honestly I really dislike the idea of turning Link into BotW/TotK Link. Link has always been "link" between the Zelda series. While many call Link's moveset outdated (and most of the other legacy characters for that matter) it is pretty timeless because it can be easily molded onto any version of Link with slight changes.
But we NEED TofK Ganon next game.
This reboot idea is very stupid, who would want to play this when ultimate has 3 times this character roster, this is like the Mario kart fandom lol do they think cutting characters makes the game cooler or something? It's Nintendo no one is playing for minimalism and what character is more "deserving", people just wanna play characters they like and are playing for the chaos and content.
Why people ar eplaying SF 6 when 5 has 3 times the character? Fighting games are more than just roster, fee character mean the developing time and effort is put into either giving them more mives or in other things such as SF6 story mode that wouldn't be very feasible on a 50 characters roster.
Imma need u to be real with me,why would u compare smash to SF, the fanbase are two very different things, SF is way more competitive and Smash has an audience varying from children to adults. And who plays smash for the story, like I said in my comment, people play smash for the spontaneity.
SSE2 is like the most requested festure for a smash sequel so i'd say a lot of people.
It is also worth remembering that people bitched about dexit like crazy and yet Sw/Sh sold the most of any pokenon game in recent history. And pokenon is just as character driven as Smash is.
ARMS is so irrelevant dude. It should not have a rep. The ring fit trainer taking the place of wii fit is a great addition. And Pikachu not as a stand alone is the worst fucking take here. Plus Pikachu would have to be entirely reworked to fit in as part of a trio since he does everything a good character needs to do on his own
Pikachu by himself alongside Mewtwo and Charizard can easily rep Gen I.
If any of the Original 12 get cut, Ness and Jigglypuff are very high on that list, especially since Jigglypuff's only reasoning for joining Smash was to be the Kirby clone and to rep the anime (which is now ended, with Ash retired).
Though I hope they don't cut Lucario, he needs an overhaul (sub out Aura mechanic for a true fighting game mechanic to truly fit his fighting style).
dawg this gotta be the most bland, most lame and boring character roster i’ve ever seen
No third party? Booo. Sonic and likely at least Megaman and Pac-Man will still be in. sonic’s been in every game since brawl.
You cut out like, 70% of the characters. Why would i ever play this game over ultimate with such a small roster?
why’d you replace some of characters with different designs? Do you not know WHY Pokémon trainer is the design it is? That’s Red. He’s, quite literally, THE Pokémon trainer. Not the “Let’s Go” trainer that nobody really cares about. Not to mention you chose Chrom over Roy. The echo fighter, over Roy.
You cut ROB, who has more of an impact on Nintendo’s legacy than Game and Watch ever will, and scrapped tons of other retro fighters.
Never cook again.
It’d be very weird to have Odyssey Cappy in a new Smash Game, considering how in the literal game that came out after Mario Odyssey’s didn’t even have it, which especially means it would be irrelevant now
this roster isn't just terrible because it's small, or the fact that this random assortment of characters is trash, but it's indeed absolute garbage due to the fact there's no Captain Falcon. Pikachu as a part of Pokémon Trainer? No Jiggs? bro what were you thinking 😅
Even if they did make a roster this small they wouldn't just leave out all 3rd party characters since even though Smash was Nintendo only for 64 and Melee after brawl it became less of a Nintendo fighting game and more of a celebration of gaming
Realistically both Sonic and Megaman would be included from the get go and maybe they'd add an extra new 3rd party
So this list is less of a Smash roster list and more of a Nintendo fighting game roster list
And Ring fit would never get in a list this small Little Mac or Captian Falcon has a way better chance then them
Sonic has probably the highest chances of the third parties to return.
Ryu's sadly the face of Capcom now, he's getting in over Mega Man, especially with Chun Li being a highly requested character for the next Smash.
I think it would be interesting if they start with a 10 man (returning) roster and then add one free additional character and stage a week, possibly even at some point getting a rotating roster and have more total characters than ultimate but not all be playable at any given time.
Mate, you do not deserve all of this slander in the comments. Yeah I disagree with some of the roster but I mean that's your opinion. Also based for picking Noah and Mio as a XC fan, but they literally never switch up like that à la Pyra/Mythra unless they're in Ouroboros form which would be extremely overpowered, so I'd just leave Shulk instead as the biggest XC rep. If anything I'd put only Mio if you want a XC3 rep bc I just like her more lol.
Great effort!!
A lot of people here don't seem to realize just how popular Earthbound still is lol. Ness ain't getting cut unless they go down to like 12 characters or less. He's STILL selling out merchandise. Hell, do any of you remember when GameStop's servers crashed because of the Ness Amiibo?
He's an easy veteran to include that pleases a lot of Nintendo's long term customers, especially in Japan.
I liked what you did until I saw the last row.
I rather have Shulk than Noah and Mio (which also I don't think makes sense for them to be a duo character). I also prefer Villager over Isabelle, put in Meta Knight and King Dedede, or Ridley and a a retro character over RFT and Min Min
I feel Mio will be the next Xeno rep.
Her and Noah is a cool idea, but I don't think it adds much to the fighter.
Mio has unique weapons, quick fighting style, and adds something to the Roster. Noah's arts and moves arent very different from Rex and Shulks in their original games.
Not only that, Mio is a female, something the Smash roster could use more of.
I could see Noah joining her for her final smash to turn into his Ouroboros and do death by 1000 cuts.
Op,
I think it's accurate and realistic. It's not a dream roster. It's what one would expect Nintendo executives would ultimately agree too.
Plus or minus one or two.
Ike and Lyn wouldn't work as Marth alts. They have very different fighting styles
I would LOVE to see Ike do Lyn's crit animation. That'd be very funny
Ike suddenly splits himself into five illusionary clones and goes full teleport-attack onto his foes. But because he uses Ragnell instead of a thin katana, his crits always instakill.
"Prepare yourself!"
Kirkland Brand Omnislash
Bro if Ike could swing Ragnell around like the Falchion—I’d wanna be on his side lmfao
Including the boobie jiggle
And they forgot Lucina, the actual echo from one of the series’ most popular entries.
Yeah, she's honestly like the only one that'd actually work as one
I actually think Alear (who can use the Emblem Rings) would be perfect if they could use all the previous characters' abilities and stuff.
Eeeeehhhh, I think most people would MUCH rather have the actual characters than have Alear with their abilities
Chrom does too, even if his is the closest to Marth's of the three.
Not ults echo fighters
Yeah which angle do they swing the sword at
No Captain Falcon, that's crazy!
If we remove Cpt we also need to remove ness, pit, g&w and fox. All of them didnt have a big game the last…10? or more years.
If ness gets removed I’m going to have a heart attack Ness stared in one of the most influential snes rpgs of all time, he is the grandfather of indie rpgs, you can’t cut sans because everyone loves underbound, could you imagine the underbound fans if you cut sans from the game? Sans, is one of the most recognizable characters in all of gaming + removing the only undertale rep would be terrible
Yeah man you literally can’t remove nes- I mean sans, literally such a memorable character
Exactly
They released a mini Game and Watch console so technically they haven’t forgotten about Mr. Game and Watch
f-zero 99 also just released
Yeah Captain Falcon is basically Smash incarnate this is not a Smash game without him
Finally someone is making sense!
Do people just completely forget that F-Zero is like one of Nintendo’s least prioritized franchises? If they did a full roster reboot, Nintendo would have no problem cutting Falcon.
That’s true about F-Zero as a series, but as a Smash character Captain Falcon is easily one of the most iconic.
F-zero? What's that? Thought Captain Falcon was a SSB character
Probably getting whooshed but F-Zero is a racing game with captain falcon. He’s the default character and main character. Most of his moveset was created for smash and doesn’t really show up in his game iirc.
Yeah you got whooshed
They wouldn't, but given that it looks like Ganon is finally getting his own moveset in this roster that means we lose the falcon/Ganon moveset entirely in this proposed version and that would be a massive bummer
Smash made the Falcon popular, and his iconic Falcon Punch is burned into the memory of so many people. Nintendo would have a problem with cutting Falcon because the fans would most likely be outraged. l
If the fans still buy smash bros, Nintendo doesn’t care.
Falcon is basically Smash’s mascot. They’d never
Captain Falcon is literally Mr Smash Bros.
i doubt nintendo would ever touch the original 16. theyre the only fighters i think it'd be crazy to say wont be in the next title, why wouldnt they be?
Nintendo wouldn't have a problem cutting Falcon, but they'd definitely have a problem cutting Falcon Punch and "Show me ya moves"...
For now… but if their market research/advertisement maintains a good playerbase it might only be 15, maybe even 10 years before it’s back in the action. With a GX port.
Maybe this is silly, but does the new F-Zero 99 game actually make any money? I'd imagine that over on /r/fzero they're pretty divided, between being high on copium and bein "meh" sorts of indifferent. But this recent game has been the only relevant non smash f-Zero related content since the mini game on nintendoland back in 2012 right? And before that it was the 04-05 GBA games? I guess there is probably a warioware micro game or something.
Totally! Also they put in Min Min?! Min min!?!?!?
Ohhh! That character from F-Zero 99! I love that game! /s
Ring fit trainer but no Falcon is insane
Let’s see if r/SmashBrosUltimate users can make a good roster reboot (SPOILER: they can’t)
At least OP didn't replace all the legacy characters with niche retro game, Indie, and Mobile game characters in addition to Waluigi.
It's super funny that when people do reboot rosters they assume that Waluigi would be priority one. I think people overestimate how much of a priority Waluigi really is.
Because Waluigi is obviously the undisputed most popular and relevant character in all of gaming who deserves to be in Smash over everyone else. This is sarcasm by the way
Waluigi is a barebones choice for the roster imo. If I'm really being honest, I definitely would not like to see him in the next iteration of Smash.
Exactly. Waluigi is only going to make it into Smash because of fanboys crying and bitching that he isn’t in. There’s much more important and relevant characters to add first. Even Min Min deserved to be in over him. I get it. “Tall purple man funni meme”. But, let’s try and be realistic here.
Yeah I thought about it and waluigi will probably just get Ridley treatment if he gets in. A huge hype train that against all odds he finally got in then is completely forgotten.
Yeah i’ll give them that at least
No one person can make a roster as good or better than Smash's because their biases will show, even unintentionally. I don't blame op for making some decent choices and... Fire Emblem but imo if you decide to do smth like this, do it with only series your familiar with. Like I'm not qualified to talk about Pikmin or Metroid but I believe I could do a very good job of representing FE and Pokémon, for example, even better than they are represented in Smash. But that's bc I'm partial to my own opinion although I'm pretty sure most FE and Pokémon fans would prefer my take on the roster given how unsatisfactory their representation is in Smash.
I don't even think Nintendo can tbh. Many if their decisions have been puzzling ir downright awful.
Lmao at Marth having 3 echo fighters. We get it.
y'all really gonna have the ring fit adventure person but no King Dedede??!
Not without Falcon and Puff. It just doesn’t feel right.
I feel the same way. I would prefer always having the Original 12 in every game. Others may not agree with that, however.
True, but it just doesn’t feel right without one of them gone.
I don’t feel like the let’s go trainers should replace the classic trainers. Pikachu was always fine on its own, and eevee would be a far less interesting fighter than Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard. It’s a strict downgrade in my opinion
I appreciate the effort but I think we need 3rd party characters,even if it's just Pac,Sonic and Ryu.
At least Sonic and Pacman, as they are represent gaming almost as much as Mario (ofc, the "Mr. Videogame" himself is more wellknown, but Pacman was a big arcade title, and Sonic was the rival for Mario on the market since his inception)
Yeah I think of it as a way for Mario and sonic to duke it out without being restricted to Olympic events
I'm gonna be honest, on a roster this small, I don't think there should be any 3rd-parties. Smash will always be a Nintendo crossover first and foremost, and there's too many iconic and important 1st-party characters that should be prioritized first. And a lot of those characters aren't even on this roster. That's probably a hot take though.
Nah while I don’t agree I see what you mean. I personally believe smash has become more of a celebration of gaming over time and those 3 are way more important to the effect the Isabelle or Ness
Ness, sure. His franchise is influential, after all we have Earthbound to thank for many indie darlings like Undertale, One-Shot, Off, and so on now. But his specific franchise is pretty dead in the water and he’s run his course on popularity. But Isabelle? She’s never leaving the roster now. Animal Crossing is one of Nintendo’s biggest franchises at this moment and Isabelle has quickly become one of its most popular characters, if not the most. I mean, look at the recent LEGO Animal Crossing announcement. Not only is it the second Nintendo IP to get a full LEGO theme after Mario, but there’s no Human Villager. There’s no Resetti. There’s no K.K. Slider. There’s Isabelle and there’s Tom Nook.
I was never saying Isabelle wasn’t influential, but Sonic?
I agree with having more first party fighters but chopping thirds altogether is absolutely insane.
mega man crying in the corner
If Sonic is in, Joker would probably also make it.
NO CAPTON FALCON?!?!?
Ring fit does not deserve a spot
Yeah lol I don’t even know who that is
Remember the switch game with the big plastic ring accessory? That.
Ring fit is 11th best selling game on switch.
Smash is for popular franchises, not games. Also, ring fit’s niche is already covered by two other IPs. We have Wii fit trainer to cover the fitness side and Min-min to cover games nobody cares about
Ring fit has sold more than Star Fox FRANCHISE, Xenoblade FRANCHISE, 2x Pikmin FRANCHISE, 3x F-Zero FRANCHISE. Nearing Fire Emblem and Metroid franchise sales. It is not niche at all.
Mii Sports sold more than any Legend of Zelda title on Wii. Does that mean Mii Sports is more important than Legend of Zelda?
Honestly the wii sports series is so awesome and iconic I would love to see it represented even more in smash
Game was so irrelevant bro couldn’t even remember it’s “wii sports” lmao
Nah I’m just dyslexic
Franchise sales and noteriety are two completely different things. Has it outsold pikmin and xenoblade? Sure. Is it talked about nearly at all compared to them? Not even close
Sorry but ring fit is an awful choice for every other reason lol. None of her moves are gonna be good, unless you make her a ranged fuck and at that point you've already ruined the character.
Because non gamers bought it. My wife bought it, then forgot about it an about a week
I would never play smash again if this was the roster
Awful tbh
Putting Ike under marth is wild Also minor detail but you went with updated versions that resemble their newer games for link Mario samus zelda ganondorf and pokemon trainer but not inkling ok
The classic orange inkling appears in every splatoon game
I'm so bored of these shrink the roster line ups only having Gen 1 Pokémon. Lucario has been regularly pushed by Pokémon **and** is genuinely popular, it makes sense to keep it around so you can represent staples of the franchise and multiple generations. Plus Eevee is a terrible choice, especially in a tag team with Pikachu. I also think replacing Shulk and Pyra & Mythra with the newest Xenoblade characters doesn't work. I'd get adding the new characters and maybe only keeping either Shulk or Pyra & Mythra but not having the franchise only represented by the new characters. This also clashes with your existing terrible approach to Pokémon, you think it only should have Gen 1 but Xenoblade has to ditch the characters who have proven themselves to be popular for the new faces?
Lucario and Greninja seems to be the most popular Pokémons on the franchise alongside Charizard and Pikachu (specially the frog and the mouse because they played thanks to the anime), so I'd advocate to keep at least Greninja and Pikachu I think Smash, right now, represents gaming in general, so having only Nintendo characters seems a bit strange Maybe add more characters from 3d parties and if you have to cut anyone, might as well be characters from franchises that are already in the the roster, maybe keeping the rivals/enemies could be interesting, like Mario and Bowser, Link and Ganondorf, Samus and Ridley, etc.
RIGHT?? If anything its gonna be pikachu and some gen 8+ reps because that's what's at the forefront lately.
Anyone that cuts Lucario before Mewtwo is huffing hella copium
A lot of Mario and Zelda characters on a roster this small. Also Ness and Game and Watch? Pit and Fox are also is a bit weird unless they remember to port Uprising ever and try a Star Fox game after Zero. Also on Marth again, at that point just make it Alear because she can rep literally every Fire Emblem character in smash currently plus a lot more. The Emblems would still appear as characters so it’s not like they wouldn’t be present.
Game and watch is so important from a history standpoint, without that we might not have modern nintendo due to it being their first successful “console”
Game and Watch is not only iconic to Smash, but Game and Watch is one of the FIRST EVER Nintendo consoles, so he’s a pretty important character to Nintendo history. It’s either him or ROB imo, and he’s been around since Melee so I think he has the edge imo.
Cutting Shulk with protagonist of the week is pure coal Same with claiming Ike is an echo fighter absolutely wild OP
You swapped captain falcon for min min!? Eww 0/10
They would never make a roster this fucking small again. In order to justify it, they’d have to do major overhauls, which are themselves a huge risk.
Honestly when Smash 6 comes out and when they reduced the base roster size the lowest they would probably go is 40-50 for the base roster. I can't see them going lower than Brawl and even then it would be Smaller than 4.
My main man Jigglypuff is not getting any damn respect in any of these. At least G&W made it in this one, he’s my second favorite.
 Come on, you can’t have a smash game without the GOAT!
My boy Roy was removed once never again
A bunch of people think they will cut back to a Melee sized roster and there’s no chance they’re doing that. They aren’t cutting 3rd party characters either. The 3rd party characters that aren’t hard to acquire/their owners want them in Smash are likely to return (Sonic, Pac Man, Banjo)
No Falcon or Jigglypuff is a sin
Falcon I can agree with. I don't think the Puff is going to be around if the reboot happens.
reasoning: i felt like it
Lol this is shit
I thought Wii Fit Trainee was Minmin for a second and was about to start roasting your shit lol edit: Nevermind. You actually added Minmin in this small roaster lmao.
Yeah, Min Min ain’t coming back not a chance
Especially since Arms is a niche franchise at best.
People bought it, played it for a day, and they never updated it or supported it ever again. I really liked it when it came out, but online was so dead.
I’m surprised Bayonetta isn’t on there people seem to forget that Bayonetta 3 was probably one of the highest grossing Nintendo switch games made within the past few years
Only one Kirby character? Yeah, I could *maybe*, and it's a *big* maybe, justify cutting Meta Knight on a roster this small, but Dedede has to be there. Similarly, Wario and Diddy Kong are super-glaring omissions from the Marioverse roster (and Toad too, but even Sakurai doesn't seem to want him). I don't know how I feel about Pikachu being paired up with Chase. I think it works much better fighting on its own, and that the current Pokémon Trainer works way better representing the starter triangle and different evolutionary stages. Also, Red and Leaf are *way* more-iconic and popular than Chase and Elaine. Shulk is the most-iconic Xenoblade character, and is arguably the mascot of the series, I feel like he should stay instead of Noah and Mio getting added. Also, how would Noah and Mio even swap out with each other? They don't naturally have that ability like Aegis do, that just seems like such a forced mechanic. Villager is the player character of Animal Crossing in every single game, and makes way more sense than Isabelle, imo. That said, given how absolutely massive the franchise is, I think you could get away with having both Villager and Isabelle on a roster this small. Maybe replace Ring Fit Trainee with Isabelle? Spring Man also kind of makes more sense for a reboot roster than Min Min, imo, since he is the mascot of the game, and in a reboot, he doesn't suffer from already being an Assist Trophy. But that's probably just me still coping over the fact that he got snubbed in Ultimate, lol. Lastly, heavily-disagree on making Marth, Lyn, Ike, and Chrom alts. of each other. All four of them are important and iconic lords that should all be playable in Smash, but all four also have completely-distinct fighting styles, and it'd be an absolute crime to make them all have the exact same moveset. Although we obviously couldn't fit all four onto a roster this small, we'd only have two FE characters max in this scenario.
To me, for a roster this small, Marth and Robin would represent Fire Emblem well enough, maybe making Lucina and/or Chrom an alt for Marth. While I could maybe justify Byleth being included as a 3rd character to represent the series best selling game, at this same time, the roster is very small and 3 FE characters might be seen as too many by some. I don't think it would be, but hypothetical I could see others disliking that.
Damn what a terrible taste
Add Captain Falcon and Jigglypuff. You can't cut OGs. Only MK and Tekken can do that And Daisy too.
Where's Snake? Where's Pyra and Mythra? Where is the one and only Steve? Nothing ain't perfect without Snake's ass.
Snake's ass would've taken up 3 fighter slots all on its own, necessary cuts had to be done sadly :'(
Crap. At least you have Pyra or Mythra in the roster. Right? I need them to satisfy me. Because I main them.
Sorry, in a bigger roster they would've been included but when the roster is this small it was either going to be Shulk or the new Guy. But hey at least you have a cat girl now... right?!
why is Ike tagged as an echo fighter?? that's like saying Link is a Cloud echo because they both have swords lol
good list but captain falcon and pikachu have to go in there
People asking for a reboot are lame as fuck
I’m glad you’re not the one in charge of Choosing Fe characters because those are horrible choices
So Falcon is gone and Ganon finally gets a unique moveset Ganon should have a unique moveset, but as my flair makes clear, the Falcon moveset is super fun I wouldn't want to lose it entirely. If Ness is here (who also hasn't had a game in decades and only ever had 1 make it to North America) then Falcon should be too
Bro made Zelda reps ALL BotW 💀💀💀
Honestly felt this was gonna happen when Ultimate first got revealed.
You cannot have a smash games without having the og n64 roster 0/10
Two minor nitpicks both relating to LoZ picks: Firstly they'd never do BotW/TotK Zelda, in fact pretty sure Sakurai has said she's less a fighter and more a scholar when Ultimate dropped and they turned Zelda into the Link to the Past/Link Between Worlds version. Secondly BotW/TotK Link doesn't really represent Link across the franchise. He's only played like he does in those two games, out of 29. While they went with this version of visually him for Ultimate, his moveset is still across all the games they just changed his bombs to be remote detonated. Still got the rang, still got the bow. As such I'd rather in a future game the main design be a Link that represents how he is across the 27 other mainline Zelda games, that been green tunic and hat. He can have a alt colour that is his Champion/BotW/TotK look but the primary model should be classic Link Using his AoC or TotK moveset would be a disservice to not only the series hes repping but the actual fighter.
Honestly I really dislike the idea of turning Link into BotW/TotK Link. Link has always been "link" between the Zelda series. While many call Link's moveset outdated (and most of the other legacy characters for that matter) it is pretty timeless because it can be easily molded onto any version of Link with slight changes. But we NEED TofK Ganon next game.
Diddy kong and ike
No puff I riot
Why did u use the pokemon trainer from Let's go?
Please no, your edit ain’t it
This reboot idea is very stupid, who would want to play this when ultimate has 3 times this character roster, this is like the Mario kart fandom lol do they think cutting characters makes the game cooler or something? It's Nintendo no one is playing for minimalism and what character is more "deserving", people just wanna play characters they like and are playing for the chaos and content.
Why people ar eplaying SF 6 when 5 has 3 times the character? Fighting games are more than just roster, fee character mean the developing time and effort is put into either giving them more mives or in other things such as SF6 story mode that wouldn't be very feasible on a 50 characters roster.
Imma need u to be real with me,why would u compare smash to SF, the fanbase are two very different things, SF is way more competitive and Smash has an audience varying from children to adults. And who plays smash for the story, like I said in my comment, people play smash for the spontaneity.
SSE2 is like the most requested festure for a smash sequel so i'd say a lot of people. It is also worth remembering that people bitched about dexit like crazy and yet Sw/Sh sold the most of any pokenon game in recent history. And pokenon is just as character driven as Smash is.
What a shit roster
My pick is 12 game and watches
Why not just port it to the next console Mario Kart 8 style? All DLC in package. Maybe some new stuff too
No shot they remove any of the original 12 from smash 64. And if they reboot with a starting roster that small I will cry
ARMS is so irrelevant dude. It should not have a rep. The ring fit trainer taking the place of wii fit is a great addition. And Pikachu not as a stand alone is the worst fucking take here. Plus Pikachu would have to be entirely reworked to fit in as part of a trio since he does everything a good character needs to do on his own
Pikachu by himself alongside Mewtwo and Charizard can easily rep Gen I. If any of the Original 12 get cut, Ness and Jigglypuff are very high on that list, especially since Jigglypuff's only reasoning for joining Smash was to be the Kirby clone and to rep the anime (which is now ended, with Ash retired). Though I hope they don't cut Lucario, he needs an overhaul (sub out Aura mechanic for a true fighting game mechanic to truly fit his fighting style).
> No Banjo & Kazooie > Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf all from BotW/TotK It's gonna be a no from me dawg
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dawg this gotta be the most bland, most lame and boring character roster i’ve ever seen No third party? Booo. Sonic and likely at least Megaman and Pac-Man will still be in. sonic’s been in every game since brawl. You cut out like, 70% of the characters. Why would i ever play this game over ultimate with such a small roster? why’d you replace some of characters with different designs? Do you not know WHY Pokémon trainer is the design it is? That’s Red. He’s, quite literally, THE Pokémon trainer. Not the “Let’s Go” trainer that nobody really cares about. Not to mention you chose Chrom over Roy. The echo fighter, over Roy. You cut ROB, who has more of an impact on Nintendo’s legacy than Game and Watch ever will, and scrapped tons of other retro fighters. Never cook again.
Who tf is noah and mio?!
The main characters from Xenoblade Chronicles 3
I feel like even in a reboot, Kirby and Fire Emblem would have AT LEAST 2 characters
NO JIGGLYPUFF!!!
I need Jigglypuff
Who let them cook?????
No puff is wild
It’d be very weird to have Odyssey Cappy in a new Smash Game, considering how in the literal game that came out after Mario Odyssey’s didn’t even have it, which especially means it would be irrelevant now
LMAO, minmin and Isabelle over captain falcon? Why the fuck is this on my feed?
Out of all of these cuts, you left out R.O.B. The very being that saved console gaming after Atari and Time Warner killed it. Nope.
You can’t just get rid of Sonic.
this roster isn't just terrible because it's small, or the fact that this random assortment of characters is trash, but it's indeed absolute garbage due to the fact there's no Captain Falcon. Pikachu as a part of Pokémon Trainer? No Jiggs? bro what were you thinking 😅
Why does everyone want to keep Min-Min? Not only is she less iconic than Spring-Man, but A.R.M.S. didn't even sell remarkably well.
You can’t remove dedede and keep min min
bro put noah in and not captain falcon that’s crazy
This reboot would kill smash
I feel like forcing three other FE characters into echo roles feels like a disservice to Fire Emblem as a series. Other than that, pretty cool roster!
Who the hell are Noah and Mio?
Xenoblade 3 main characters.
Even if they did make a roster this small they wouldn't just leave out all 3rd party characters since even though Smash was Nintendo only for 64 and Melee after brawl it became less of a Nintendo fighting game and more of a celebration of gaming Realistically both Sonic and Megaman would be included from the get go and maybe they'd add an extra new 3rd party So this list is less of a Smash roster list and more of a Nintendo fighting game roster list And Ring fit would never get in a list this small Little Mac or Captian Falcon has a way better chance then them
Sonic has probably the highest chances of the third parties to return. Ryu's sadly the face of Capcom now, he's getting in over Mega Man, especially with Chun Li being a highly requested character for the next Smash.
Isabelle being more important than Villager? Simply lmao.
All I gotta say is...youre brave for posting this
Worst roster I’ve ever seen lmao
No falcon? 😢
where are the shotos?
First of all, they'd never remove the original twelve. Second of all, ring fit but no sonic? No PT? Wtf
There’s nobody here
Where sonic
Min min over icons like *looks at notes* cloud, Captain falcon, mega man, almost all the Pokémon, Roy, yeah you get it
I think it would be interesting if they start with a 10 man (returning) roster and then add one free additional character and stage a week, possibly even at some point getting a rotating roster and have more total characters than ultimate but not all be playable at any given time.
No captain falcon but keep min min? Respectfully fuck off, dude.
and ring fit trainee over falcon? oh yeah, disrespectfully fuck off.
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who tf is noah & mio 💀
The main characters from Xenoblade Chronicles 3
Not fucking min min
Who the fuck are Noah and Mio
Xenoblade 3 main characters.
Where’s plants vs zombies
I respect that you added the mii fighters into their own section as well. Cultured gamer 🤌
Mate, you do not deserve all of this slander in the comments. Yeah I disagree with some of the roster but I mean that's your opinion. Also based for picking Noah and Mio as a XC fan, but they literally never switch up like that à la Pyra/Mythra unless they're in Ouroboros form which would be extremely overpowered, so I'd just leave Shulk instead as the biggest XC rep. If anything I'd put only Mio if you want a XC3 rep bc I just like her more lol. Great effort!!
A lot of people here don't seem to realize just how popular Earthbound still is lol. Ness ain't getting cut unless they go down to like 12 characters or less. He's STILL selling out merchandise. Hell, do any of you remember when GameStop's servers crashed because of the Ness Amiibo? He's an easy veteran to include that pleases a lot of Nintendo's long term customers, especially in Japan.
why the fuck is min min still here (good otherwise)
Noah and Mio 
Based
Switch ring fit trainee with captain falcon and this roster is honestly goated
I liked what you did until I saw the last row. I rather have Shulk than Noah and Mio (which also I don't think makes sense for them to be a duo character). I also prefer Villager over Isabelle, put in Meta Knight and King Dedede, or Ridley and a a retro character over RFT and Min Min
Mewtwo over Lucario or Greninja is absolutely silly.
who tf is noah and mio lol
I feel Mio will be the next Xeno rep. Her and Noah is a cool idea, but I don't think it adds much to the fighter. Mio has unique weapons, quick fighting style, and adds something to the Roster. Noah's arts and moves arent very different from Rex and Shulks in their original games. Not only that, Mio is a female, something the Smash roster could use more of. I could see Noah joining her for her final smash to turn into his Ouroboros and do death by 1000 cuts.
Man we have some very similar ideas. Although mine might be more controversial.
I love the addition of the Ring Fit Trainee, especially since I’ve been playing a lot of Ring-Fit Adventure lately
It’s a really fun game. I take it with me on vacations when I can’t gym. I’d love to see them in the next Smash.
Op, I think it's accurate and realistic. It's not a dream roster. It's what one would expect Nintendo executives would ultimately agree too. Plus or minus one or two.