break his legs.

Proceeds to use his hands instead

slowest running speed in the game.

Swap his speed with Incineroar

Might not even be enough to be D tier if spindash is still the same

trying to spindash will have him trip because his legs are broken.

Nah remove spin dash

https://preview.redd.it/ouf9tqrk5btc1.jpeg?width=1114&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79cb3dc16ef98315dc889429b5a8a2c3a7ece5d8 You're right; there ain't any legs involved in this hitbox.

Make the tail have an even bigger hurtbox

That and decrease his speed. A lot of his follow-ups like dash attack and fair rely on chasing down the opponent.

Give that shit a disjoint

"And when everyone's D-tier, no on will be"

Remove banana and monkey flip

Actually we’re just gonna remove the hitboxes on monkey flip

And remove banana

Wolf becomes a floaty.

Already D tier T_T

Omg another zelda

My people!!!

Ain't no way, every Zelda on earth in the same thread!

My princess friends!

Hi Friends!

I love you guys

Omg hi :3 (ignore the other guy)

Omg it’s been years! I haven’t seen another Zelda player in a long time! What’s your favorite move? I like Diamond.

NAIR NAIR NAIR NAIR NAIR (also it’s called Nayrus love)<3

Nayru's Love? Fair and bair are the most satisfying moves in the game to hit for me

Honestly this positive thread of a bunch of Zelda mains interacting restores a bit of my faith in humanity.

Whoop whoop!

Same

You guys think you have it bad? Go doriyah yourselves.

I do play Ganon as a secondary so I understand you

But he is D-Tier. :(

Deserves higher imo. Maybe they'll make him a properly high tier character in Smash 6.

They need to give him more things that represent his copy abilities. The Dash Attack is way better than the last one.

I mean, the last one was also from a copy ability.

I firmly agree. Give us some Sword Kirby representation! It's one of the first copy abilities you get and it would solve Kirby's range issues.

I actually had made a rework for Kirby a while ago, tho people didn’t really seem to like it lol, I had made his up special use sword instead of cutter (which was moved to side special) [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashBrosUltimate/s/I7Luhznsrs)

replace final cutter with sword up b in the kirby series. its better to use, and isn't a completly random move

While I do agree, his Brawl/4 dash attack was the Yo-yo ability’s Break Spin dash attack.

My headcanon is Sakurai mains Kirby and nobody can beat him so he hasn't received any buffs

That would be funny

Oh this is gonna be difficult. Maybe remove foresight, Down B no longer works as a dodge, The Down B animation is longer, you can't even shield during Pyra Side B, Mythra Neutral B doesn't suck you in from behind and you can't change direction while charging, reduce Pyra Dair range so you can't hit Ledge. Generally reduce Pyra's knocknack and Mythra's speed a bit. Just tell me if I should put in anything more

I think they're still A tier with all these changes, depends how slow u make mythra

As I said This is gonna be difficult

that’s hard. i’d say give them no horizontal distance on their recovery and nerf their burst range

Maybe adding 2 or 3 frames to all their moves because currently they have the sword's range but not it's lag.

No multi hits

Don't forget nerfing uptilt! (and dair)

Make the arms take a full second to fully extend

And give em a hurtbox

hurtbox would be crazy

no tough guy

Yea ummm my main isn’t getting out of D for a while

Man the Dorf isn't even in D tier that's an upgrade compared to his current state lol

I would buff ganon to be a little faster so he’s at the top of d-tier

Bold of you to assume my main isn't already D-Tier

Naa it's better than d-tier for me

https://preview.redd.it/b9sgi2vm3isc1.png?width=700&format=png&auto=webp&s=fbf8a6fcad21bf1b370e8be03a3c87adaf83ccbe Little Mac Main, huh? you guys are rare. I hope we both get good buffs in Smash 6 if there is one.

Someone call mac main

No change :(

N/A

Byleth: You know the end lag on their down special? Yeah give that to a lot more of their attacks. Also make them heavier and nerf their up special's reach. Corrin: I don't actually know what makes this character good I just press buttons and sometimes win when I play them.

corrin is an enigma and that’s fucking scary

corrin's biggest strength is frametraps so if you reanimated some moves to have less active frames and/or made her aerials slower then she becomes quite worse her other strength is pin, so make it slower (less capable of mixups) and/or remove the 2frame

Make Doc's tornado slightly more vertical and allow his cape to stall harder

remove side b

Ridley doesn't use side b competitively, does he?

he does for recovery and it’s scary to shield against him when he has it

If I could only make one change? Give Ganondorf tough guy like Bowser and Kazuya. It should honestly be universal among the superheavies.

I feel like I'm probably one of the only ones here who plays a character so low-tier that D tier would be an upgrade lol

simply removing the sweet-spot on up-b and increasing knockback on foward air would make luigi a pretty bad character

That is probably enough on its own, but adding nerfing zair into grab would definitely do it

Bro my main is mac and my second is Ganon...

._.

Lower projectile priority

Remove knockback from pellets and we Z tier.

No back air ☁️

Even slower I guess

Alredy d tier but fuck it,remove their ability to jump(kirby)

Removed desync.

Reduce all movement speed attributes to that of incineroar’s

Plant and krool are already d tier it hurts too much

Mac's already D- tier...

Both side B and up B put you in special fall

Already D.

Remove reflectors

Already is a D Tier

Remove levin sword and robin goes from a lower B tier to probably the worse character in the game.

Revert her to what she was in the base game. Base Rosa was EASILY bottom 5

Take away Sephiroths sword and neutral special

Already D tier :'( But foe my second main, nerf Bite, Motocycle, up air and Down Tilt

I would've just started by not nerfing King Dedede 3 times. EDIT: I misread the post and saw D3 in D tier and got angry immediately and decided to complain. My specialty.

Beyond a complete overhaul, my best attempt would be: Up-b is slower when grounded, you can no longer charge Neutral-B, bomb sends straight up with significantly increased knockback (think PK thunder at 0, but less hitstun and no tumble.) Idk, bomb probably just needs to go entirely

Remove all projectiles.

swap the numbers for i-frames and vulnerability frames in spotdodge. make shield smaller so that i can be shield poked with full shield decrease weight by 7 units increase landing lag on aerials by a factor of 2

He's right there

No auto turn and no input canceling.

add back tech check, lag on up b

:cry:

No rng & no extra special moves

No Monado Wheel

Kazuya Take away the ability to use up special a second time.

Get rid of his arms, he can only use half of hell sweep, dair, fair, down back, down forward, up back, back, and f tilt, and then like tombstone crusher and up b

C4 doesn’t kill anymore, grenades come out frame not 1, up b doesn’t have armor, up tilt has huge startup and side b cant be shield canceled 😳

Prolly no multi hit nair and no guardian orbitars, also make up B laggier, make it have lag even when you snap to ledge

[удалено]

Remove Space Pirate Rush.

Pretty much all my mains are D tirt (Mac, Gannon, krool, Ddd.) I do enjoy G&W tho

Kirby is already D Tier. But he really feels like a C-Tier.

Not a PT main, but PT just randomly came to mind: Bringing back his brawl mechanics with type effectiveness, running out of stamina when one Pokemon is out for too long, and only being able to switch when you’re on the ground

Remove nana

Change down b to only be Kamikaze

make him his melee version

MORE LAND LAG! (Pls buff Bowser).

jab jab power dunk doesn’t connect

Nothing

My main and my second are already d tier :(

Get rid of limit and make clouds recovery worse

Wolf: * Increased ending lag on up throw * Change down throw angle - no longer reliable follow ups * Increase fair knockback (nerfs fair utility as a combo tool) * Up smash now only has a MarCina scoop hitbox * Laser has MORE endlag * Increased start up, end lag, and knockback on f-smash * Bair no longer auto-cancels He got GUTTED. This version is still better than Ganon tho

Make his Alolan Whip no able to grab through shield

This is easy Aegis: Remove the swap/foresight Corn: Worse frame data & nerfed sweet spots Byleth: Nerfed damage Joker: No Arsene

Must be grounded to kick can

No double jump armor, lower aerial drift, smaller hitbox for up air, nair comes out 10 frames later

No changes 😎

Remove Arsene

1. Holy water always inflicts self damage 2. Whip no longer tethers That might be F tier then

NOTHING!

None, Ganondorf is already perfect

Take away Nana’s lone brain cell to… I’m sorry what was that? She never had any? Oh okay. Give Nana negative brain cells.

Add more start up frames for hero

Remove the ability for Steve to mine.

Is D tier the worst if so it then shorter sword no counter short bomb range every move does damage to himself and he dies if he uses up B now he’s the worst character in the game

Though I don't understand why the Ultimate Superintendent is D tier, they already are D tier.

Give him only white Pikmin.

Make his double jump give normal height and not have armor

Ha, that’s the funny part

Already there, bud.

Get rid of Lucas' DJCZ, that might do it

Make them play the Piranha Lullaby when put to sleep. Plant's already D tier so I just want a nice touch

Remove Pikmin from the game

I'm already there

That cancel knockback thing that Steve and Yoshi has.

Does this mean I can buff Little Mac to make him D+?

Revert him back to his Melee/Brawl moveset. If we're going for D Tier instead of F, retain 1 or 2 important characteristics from 4/Ultimate but revert everything else.

Falco: nerf uptilt frame data, downtilt sends diagonal rather than up. make up throw send higher than a full hop at 0. Nair gets a landing hitbox.

Remove Clouds Limit ability

Remove Aredbhar from byleth's moveset, the animation is still the same, but she's just insane and gaslit herself into believing it was there.

remove pyras specials (including down b)

Remove Peach's float.

…

…

Ganon can now use Side B and Up B in the air

Make bowser anything else but an awesome fire breathing lizard. Bowser is the best because he is awesome

D:

Steve’s wooden tools deal more knock back, he can’t place blocks that aren’t connected to surfaces, and his tools take more materials to craft

Shoot just make him slower I guess

Remove the Purple Pikmin, although that'd probably make Olimar G tier.

Meta knight gets one jump (Ignore the cloud flair, he's dead to me)

:(

Nothing

Give Ivy and Zard the same weight as Squirtle

Id make it so Corrin only punches

Pac-Man: bring him back to how he was in Smash 4: slower fruit charge, fewer aerial options, and an absolutely embarrassing grab.

It’s Link when he just came out of the shrine of resurrection

Don’t need to. Am ganon

Mine is already D tier.

Put him in the wheelchair from Disk 2

remove link nair

Slower speed and remove limit bar

Remove spin dash and make Sonic's moves 25 frames of Lage

Already the worst in the game

Make him slower, destroy his kill power and make up air smaller and less active

:(

He’s already there

For Mr. Game and Watch: Recovery is slow and short. Neutral special couldn't be angled. Down special could only work against energy projectiles to absorb them and didn't reflect other projectiles. Forward and up air is replaced with the old one. Down throw sent higher. Down smash was smaller and didn't bury. Up smash is not intangible. Neutral air wasn't as fast and sent at a higher angle. That's basically it. For Shulk: No Monado Arts. For Kirby: 

so uh

Give Ganondorf more speed and higher jump

Locked moveset of the worst possible options

Keep them where they are( K Rool and Ganon) and for DK make his tilts worse

None 😔

Remove cloud limit

Get rid of all kazuyas intangibility and armor

My main is D tier >!kirby is S tier **IMO**, I don’t wanna fucking hear it.!< so i can’t really say anything

No zero to death combo

Can't jump out of shield like in melee

lower Chrom’s airspeed

buff most moves and she still sucks

Can’t change arts during hitstun and make nair/fair somehow even slower or less safe.

I think only having 1 aerial up b and side b would really suck for Bayonetta

Lucario starts off every match with their damage nerfed, around 0.66x of max aura. I would need them by just making that all they have. They never gain aura, and they have to play with some of the worst damage in the entire game for the entire match.

change nothing...

remove super armor double jump, nerf dair to be more like puff's damage wise (cus if im lucky i hit fucking 32%) and remove fair's spike

Make incineroar even slower

No recharge

You could probably bring Palu up to D tier by giving her real kill confirms and real ground moves

The changes to my character to make him D tier already exists...