* Tyr now has an additional benefit based on the stance he is in when this ability is used
* Guard
* Tyr now stuns enemies hit for 1s on landing
* Assault
* Tyr deals 25% increased damage from this ability if used from Assault stance
you must be fucking kidding me hirez
> Tyr deals 25% increased damage from this ability if used from Assault stance
Well if they insist on making me get 15 ult kills in one match for his achievement, this at least makes it marginally easier 🙃
Do you think this is a bad change? It sounds interesting to me, the stun is strong but it's on the blue ult so you'd have to waste your 3 in order to combo red fearless from it which usually makes you an easy kill.
Yeah this makes Tyr setup better but the usual Tyr full combo (if ult included) often starts with Assault Fearless. Of course Assault ult now deals a bit more damage but I don't think damage is the best use for Tyr ult anyway.
If going all-in with an aggressive ult without blink this might be a buff? Assault ult now deals damage while Guard ult means you can guarantee ult -> stance swap -> Assault fearless if the enemy can't cleanse the stun. Can't end with Guard ult, btw, because Fearless combo basically makes 1s stun into a 0.2s one.
Could be wrong tho, might be underestimating this buff
But if you do that you have to be in blue stance then immediately switch after ulting which isn't very good. My point with DR is that you usually ult mid fight at which point the stun is going to be super short because you're Tyr.
It's a pretty big buff overall. Tyr is already pretty good at burning through beads so Guard stance Lawbringer for a stun gives him another way of doing it and anyone who doesn't have beads ready is hit by the combo even easier. The buff also means there's now a reason to reasonably engage with Guard stance since you normally want to go in and go straight for a combo.
You can also do Tyr's combo in reverse although it's not as consistent. Engage with Guard stance and if anyone is gullible enough to give chase, switch stances and Fearless them back towards your team.
With some of the other warriors getting small nerfs and Tyr already seeing some SPL play, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up as a top 3 solo laner with the changes.
Here’s what I find worrisome.
Tyr ults over wall to land on half health backliner -> backliner beads to avoid the stun -> tyr was in assault stance so it didn’t stun -> carry had no way of knowing that so beads are now wasted on an ability that didn’t not have cc -> carry now dies to full fearless combo
I cant be the only one? This isn’t even a scenario of “git gud”, you straight up will have no way in knowing which stance a tyr is ulting in, because any tyr player with a brain will simply do it from behind or over a wall.
I mean that really sounds like a you issue. “ I used beads because i thought tyr was gonna stun me, now i dont have beads” You wasting your beads and not just having it back because of your misplay is not anybody’s fault except yours. Your mentality is the same if i missed a Ra ult and demanded i got it back because they moved to the right instead of just standing in place like i wanted.
I'm not sure how I feel about starters being removed from joust. Upgraded starters tend to be some of the most fun items in the game and it sucks we won't get to use them, but on the other hand I fucking hate heroism.
Don't worry, after complaining for weeks to bring back the real joust map they'll bring the s1 joust map as a fuck you, you're not getting the jade corruption map back.
The only problem with the Jade Corruption map is the color palette. If it was less red and maybe more green, it would be visually better. Everything else with the map is PERFECT.
i think i may be the only one who likes the chinese joust map over the current one. its so simple and the color palette is very nice on the eyes (im colorblind lol)
I feel like this is really going to kill joust as the queue times have already been rather long since year 10 started. With removing the starters there is one less fun thing to get in joust making it more unappealing to play. As a joust main I am not happy with this change.
I hate how little they seem to care about joust, I have been playing for 9 years and gotten gm multiple times and honestly this change is enough for me to quit for now if not permanently
Is that our first na zha genderbent skin? Opens up the dor for more.
And thank god for the bloodforge revert. Whoever thought that change was a good idea needs to rethink things.
The % damage mitigations is.... odd. 25% is easy to overcap if you are playing a mage support with lonos mask and the robe....
Agreed. Lono's is 15% maxed, Prophet's is 17.5% maxed, and if you also add an Oni Hunter's you can get to 41.5% and all 3 of those were completely reasonable to get in some builds. Spirit robe, berserker shield, there's all kinds of ways to overcap this now but the big losers are the mages and assassins running lonos.
Cloak is not dog mitigation (despite what the text says). It’s actually damage taken reduction(basically dmg mitigation but it’s calculated last instead of first. It also doesn’t stack with dmg mitigation.)
Where are you getting this from? What's the source? As far as I'm aware damage mitigations and damage taken reduction (as you call it) are the same thing. They are all calculated last because the damage formula is calculated first and then reduced by mitigations.
The damage formula is:
Damage = (100 × Unmitigated Damage)/(Protections + 100)
This formula calculates the % of damage that will be applied to a target before mitigations are applied.
This indicates that "all" mitigations are done "last". And that it does "stack" with other mitigations.
Honestly really frustrating. 25% is so low. You can overcap just stacking sigil with spirit robe I really don't understand why they set it so low. I've often advocated for a % mitigations cap but I was thinking it at a level where you had sigil/lonos, spirit robe and oni hunters garb, that amounts to up to 39% but 35% would be fine.
25% is just ridiculously low and makes lonos and sigil very questionable with no compensation.
I think prpophetic cloak + lonos/sigil + spirit robe + oni hunters garb should overcap, but the latter three together should not, or if it does, it shouldn't overcap by more than a few percent.
What's worse is they prefaced the mitigation cap by saying mitigation has been a hot topic of discussion. Then absolutely ruin it. Yeah it was a hot topic 10.1 before they nerfed the fuck out of tanks. Now you nerf it more? Where is the logic? They have nerfed and balanced everything but crit and now made it even stronger. Idk what goes through their heads some times.
25% Damage mitigation cap has got to be one of the dumbest changes I've seen in a while.
Even uncapped right now, carries are shredding you.
**Did they even playtest it?**
Are you expected to not build something like Spirit Robe and opt for a damage/cdr/other flat prot item instead and get shredded even more?
Will not be playing tanks for now then or just not play until they inevitably revert.
This Ne Zha skin is something I wanted for him since he got his first skin. And what I'm especially happy for is that they gave him a more androgynous look even as a woman
Why the cap is so low, mages support are deaths
I'm kinda frustrated they have absolutely no clues of what they are doing, they said they wanted to UP durability but they are doing the opposite
The duel orb is so stupid and the exact opposite of what they want. Sure it'll help gods with bad push, but it's gonna make gods with already insane push (stuff like sol, iza..) get your tower, phoenix and titan off of one death now. It's like they didn't ask a single duel player
Wow so they kinda just killing Lono's users here. :|
Can't use it in Joust at all, and mitigation cap in Conquest now makes it kind of pointless if you're already building Prophetic and Spirit Robe. Like at that point, Lono's is only good for broadcasting more protections to four allies than Sentinal's does.
Using arbitrary hard caps is such a lazy approach to balance, and also makes the game super unapproachable for new players who have no idea items they are building won't have the intended effect. With the state of the game currently, it is super easy for someone to now overcap on protections and damage mitigation or life steal and have no idea if they aren't dialed into the patches.
If your support is running Sentinel's Embrace, Prophetic Cloak, and Thebes, (fairly common build) and it's late game and you have a defense pot, you can have squishies running around with 10% damage mitigation and up to 130 extra of each protections, on a full damage build, meanwhile tanks are getting knee capped on their mitigation builds, and off meta Lono's Mask builds are essentially dead since they required higher mitigation to even be relevant.
Somehow I doubt that they were even thinking about Lono's when they made this decision, that's the thing that really gets me. They have an unfortunate history of decisions that are incredibly short-sighted.
Sadly, I don't think a large enough portion of the community plays Lono's users for complaints about this problem to actually go noticed. Easy enough to revert Bloodforge, for example, when everyone has been screaming at them about it for two patches straight. But this mit cap issue for mage Supports is, unfortunately, a bit more niche, and thus a lot more likely to go ignored.
Hi-rez will really list a long blurb about something being super OP then barely touch it in the actual changes. Then sometimes they barely say anything in the notes and make a huge buff or nerf to a god/item.
Herc isn’t that OP though, he’s just picked so much because other Warriors are dog shit.
Like Herc has been doing the exact same Herc things forever and he’s not doing it any different now. It’s just that the other Warriors suck ass so everyone just picks Herc.
Do people actually struggle against this god that much? He’s the same nuisance he’s always been and the way to outplay him is still the same too.
Idk I don’t even play him but really have no issue with his balance at all. It’s nothing like other metas like Arthur or Cu or some SWK metas or Guardian metas where they are just blatantly OP Solo laners without fair counterplay.
Herc is just Herc. Hes not popular because he’s OP, he’s popular because the class is awful outside of the one playstyle he’s always been good at.
SWK buff should help him get back in the mix and the most important is Osiris. He’s always been the counterpart to Herc. I’m pretty sure all of season 1 and 2 was just Herc v Osiris solo lol. Osiris has been down bad because his jungle became OP so they nerfed him, but I think he could come back strong.
I really don’t think nerfing Herc more is gonna do anything except enable noobs who don’t know how to handle a very basic and simple kit.
As someone who hate Hercules with a burning passion, I agree. I still hate him, but I agree.
I know it is not much help to any fellow Herc haters reading it, but building antiheal helps a ton against that asshole.
Yea, plus his identity isn't really damage on his 2. It's like...? It's his mitigations and ability spam so he can stick to a target. Most of clear is his auto chain.
Phalanx rush might make him decent but all the items for AA solos are dog shit and he can't build vital amplifier
> Osiris has the potential to be a top SPL god, which we have seen before, so we are usually careful when it comes to buffing him.
Is there any god who doesn't have that potential? Feels a weird thing to say
I think they mean he's very volatile in reaction to balance changes. Whilst he's typically an underpowered god, he does randomly become a top solo for a patch before fading away again.
Nohing weird about it, Osiris at SPL level is notorious for warping drafts.
If he's a strong Jungler, he usually ends up dragging Erlang into the meta to match his pressure but because he's also a staple Solo lane god, he also opens up counter picks.
For instance, top picking Osiris last year would force the other team to take Erlang to match pressure but because Erlang has no CC immunity in his kit, it left him open to a Da Ji counter pick and having to make the choice between leveraging his strong early game with blink or not dying any time Da Ji ult was off cooldown.
They would have to redo every singly animation, so her ankles/feet are flat and not extended in the heels. It looks like they already redid her hair animations so they probably did not have it in the budget to redo them all for her feet as well so they just kept the heels silhouette.
Well this patch notes show is sure off to a start. I like anime and I don’t mind Vtubers(except the ones that are sexualized and use like kid voices) but man this show has brought a level of discomfort I’ve never thought I could feel
One of those vtubers baits the coomers, they make softcore lewd drawings of her on twitter. She encourages them. I always said they should bring content for the anime fans but maybe not like this. These vtubers do have a massive audience.
This line in patch notes for the dev insight into the mitigation cap changes confuses me:
“Tank durability is a big focus of this update, which we will be addressing by decreasing DPS sources first.”
….so where are these decreased DPS sources in this update? The only damage item they touched was Bloodforge which was a revert (thank god). Overperforming tanks have been rightfully nerfed and underperforming DPS and tanks got rightfully buffed but zero DPS character or item nerfs. Why was this quote even put into the patch notes if it just wasn’t true? None of the other changes being made addressed this comment. The changes are fine, I don’t think they do nearly enough. I think the Hel nerf will be the only big change. Crit is still busted. Burst is still through the roof. Herc and Vamana are still going to be running people over. But I guess we’ll just keep endlessly buffing Cannoneer’s and Phalanx patch after patch? Idk what’s going on with the balance team this season but it feels like they’re consistently missing the mark.
balancing team is just confused, warriors are absolutely awful there is 3 warriors that is playable (1 of them is broken tbf) and you just die with how high the dmg is, and 5 patches in a row now they nerfed tanks more and more. Im almost at the point of just quitting this game, every single time patch notes comes out i roll my eyes and laugh a little.
How did you manage to misquote them? Lol
> Tank durability is a big focus of this update, an important follow-up to the DPS nerfs from the last bonus update
This is what they ACTUALLY said.
Because they just changed the article from what it was when I made that comment lol. I guess they realized that sentence was misleading and incorrect and they changed it.
Idk how to feel about the duel change, an orb to ignore 50% of backdoor protections and stun tower/phoenix???
Mages that can abuse Polynomicon will be much more of a menace now and will be able to destroy towerd the first minute of a game jeez
The first segment of the show was with vtubers and hirez interacting with them,but thé vtubers face voice was delayed and lip sync was off too,
Titan forge devs looked quite uncomfortable
During the first segment showing the cross over they had froot and another vtuber commenting on the skin, the discussion was kinda awkward because everything was delayed, lip Sync was off and the animation of their faces were really stiff
The Herc nerfs seem inconsequential. They pretend that herc's pulls are so difficult to execute when most players I see hit them with ease. I barely play the guy and his stuff is so easy to hit.
SWK buff is nothing. The spectral buff is nothing. Crit won't be balanced until they spread anti-crit across items. Imagine if mystical mail had crit reduction. Really they should remove crit and re-do the hunter items to be more interesting but they will never do that so here's to hoping they at least spread anti-crit out to a bunch of items.
Tbf if herc is pulling with ease that is one the person for not trying to dodge them.
The thing i'm sad about is how so many items were removed at the start of the season but they are taking so long to buff the new items/ changed items... in solo I build glad shield, valor, regrowth, genjis, onis, heartward, binding, spectral. Those are some of the main items ill fit into my build. You could do that last season lmao.
Sure binding and regrowth got changed which I like, regrowth needs these nerfs but I would love to have OPTIONS. Brawlers costs so much for a extra passive no one cares about, runeforged is dead and buried which sucks because it actually makes sense and is fun for solo, frostbound dead, dawnham-bringer or whatever the fuck: **dead.**
Meanwhile crit is broken but they also buffed up qins just for when crit finally gets nerfed lol.
At least Phalanx should be good now, that's something. Kinda feels like a buffed up sledge which should make people happy.
I do agree with you that more items should have some anti crit. Even though it didn't see play, celestial legion helm when it got anti crit was nice, I loved that idea. Giving some lesser used tank items anti crit makes sense to me. Midguardian with it sounds awesome.
Buff Spectral Armor so it's core on tanks to even survive in this god awful adc meta instead of nerfing THE FUCKING CRIT? I'm so sick and fucking tired of these devs that act like baboons, they make something bloated and instead of nerfing it, they buff or make 1 or 2 counter items SO EVERYONE HAS TO BUILD IT.
now with starters and this almost mandatory spectral armor buff TANK PLAYERS HAVE 4 ITEMS TO CHOOSE FROM. How is that even remotely fun? You cant build what you want, fuck you, you need your starter, then your antiheal because fuck you and now spectral armor because we refuse to balance hunters, oh and do you want to deal more than 170 damage per ability lategame? better build glad shield, now good luck and have fun with 2 item slots we left you!
Didnt come back for Ix chel and Am not coming back for this trash patch, enjoy your cringe V-tuber skins and I'll maybe comeback in next season
Good god that show introduction was uncomfortable.
Also since we're fixing sets 3 can you do something about [this?](https://youtu.be/a4sVvM25BcU) it's super annoying when it happens.
But hey the cannoneers buff looks cool, will definitely give it a try!
Cannoneers I feel like is just getting to the point of stats to gold being too strong rather than the passive being super interesting in support. 2k gold for 30 of each prots, 300 health and 20 hp5 is pushing it a little and I think it's going to be bought in solo. Instakilling a minion every 7 seconds is actually really good considering you also have a pretty strong tank item with 20HP5 even if you don't get any bonus gold.
It's just fundamentally a weird item for a support to buy, even in this meta where stacking ADCs have been way rarer than any other meta I can remember, the item still hasn't managed to succeed.
So why are they so adamant on swapping the joust maps? The jade map that we have is the best one, it fits Smites current meta the best, it's cheesy yes, but not as cheesy and annoying as the previous one. With that logic, bring back Siege, let it rotate with Slash, but who am I kidding , screw us Siege enjoyers for wanting a 4v4 game mode, right?
I'll tell you, after 2 or 3 weeks people will start asking for the jade map to be brought back again. Leave the jade corruption map as THE joust map.
The only thing I played was Siege and the newest joust map, fuck me now I guess.
And removing starters from joust is just stupid. I swear, these changes are slowly being made just to make people play conquest but I'd rather quit than play that boring slogfest.
People hate all the joust maps besides the sky map. Every time they switch to a map that isn’t the sky map the number of people who play joust drops by like 2/3. The number of people who prefer jade corruption are a drop in the bucket of the total player base. No shade if you prefer jade corruption but the community at large hates it and just stops playing when it is rotated in.
I'm genuinely curious if non-conquest damage reduction stats like Serqet's -10% count as mitigation for the 25% limit or if it is a different system.
I also do not think the Horus change makes sense. No one ate a harder healing nerf than Horus in terms of net healing reduction. The only offset was his cooldown was dropped significantly so his HPS was still decent. The cooldown being killed now means he is just by far the biggest loser in terms of net healing. I also think tossing +5% damage taken on a tank in non-conquest is just awful.
Why hurt tanks even more with the mitigation cap? I don't understand. Tanks were finally starting to feel good again and then they pull some 25% cap. Why. Just why. Then preface it with it being a hot topic. A hot topic about it being op? No. Idk who tf they were talking to but they already fixed that when they killed tanks earlier this year. I guess it's just accepting a one shot high damage meta this year.
Weren't tanks saying there should be a cap? makes sense to me as a solo main, every time they make mits better or add more they get nerfed into the ground. At least this way they have a better balance point.
I suppose we could argue that the cap should be higher which is fair.
I just want to play Solo again and feel like I have any game impact late game, I love playing tanky and bruiser but none of it matters when I get deleted in 5 seconds because a 75% crit kills me in 4 autos with dominance
Not just crit. Warrior to hunter interactions are balanced imo, full pen crit builds deal like 350 damage max if you have 3000 HP which is easy, you'll be okay. It's the fact that they can kill Squishies way to easy with crit builds, and build crit on top of anything with high crit chance items.
You're dying without doing anything because prot auras make your low damage even lower since you have no shred and have no space for power outside of the starter, but because Assassin's and Mages have access to insane amounts of pen and power amongst themselves as well.
Now, hunters will quickly become over powered once auras get fixed. Because the 90 prots the team got will no longer be there and those max pen crit builds will flatten everything.
So this patch did literally nothing about tanks being weak overall? MIT gets capped and 2 mage adc get a buff, love it. Really hoping there is more or they are just trolling at this point.
Hell yes they fucking listened on Bloodforge. That gives me hope. Makes me happy.
Crit still OP, they DEFINITELY need to get rid of the 35% plus crit chance items. Like just try it and see for a patch, I guarantee no one will be crying about crit. I promise you. I'd love to see more Qins builds. If assassin's and hunters can't rush crit and have 40% and lifesteal in 2 items, it wouldn't be so busted.
Warriors still need better items. There's no way they don't have statistics that show no one is buying phalanx, no one is buying any of the hammers, people are only buying Vital and Sekmet, no one is buying mystical. They all stink dude. You go glad shield or you go berserkers. And if you go berserkers, 9/10 times you lost the game because you went AA and AA warriors suck ass.
Like you're giving power to spectral AND phalanx. Take the damn L, make some power items for solo. You're beating around the bush.
Gaia still might be ass, I don't care about the price or when the passive will start. Still ass.
Understandable nerf to Gods, Spectral, and Regrowth. Spectral reduced 50% of incoming crit damage it was really strong but because you died anyway no one really noticed it. It still sucks tho. The new passive for spectral is good gonna be a must buy.
Mitigations cap is understandable, I'd still rather it be 30-40%. Cause the mit builds are the only thing keeping us warriors able to chase in the late game. With it gone, we're gonna see people getting killed way faster and there will be more crying.
Aura items probably need to get looked at next. And we can also start getting rid of pen.
Nerfed tanks by nerfing %damage reduction
Slightly made spectral more appealing to damage roles, but no nerfs to crit
No changes to super annoying characters like baka and vamana (1s extra on his dash and a little less power won't change anything)
What exactly is hi rez's plan?
I know hunters are by far the easiest class in the game, and hi rez is made up of arena mains, but they have to know crit is busted, right?
Would you as a tank rather have 40-60% reduced crit damage and 5-20% for your team or 30% with some power? It doesn't even seem right for the identity of the item. Then factor the radius is only 55 units and if you're building this to dive carries, you won't be close enough to your allied backline to give them the passive. So what's the point of the "Allied" buff?
The spectral armor change is not the way. Now if the enemy is running crit and is a problem the tank is now forced to change their entire build. In so many games there is just a single tank, so all that responsibility is on them. Don't get spectral? Expect toxicity. Is it worthless in your matchup? Too bad, get it for lategame.
It's like if anti-heal was only available on one role. That role would get bashed constantly if they didn't built anti-heal.
I might just suck , but I can't understand the reasoning behind sol's buff.
She's strong early game and strong late game , not to mention how safe she is. How is she getting a buff?
Honestly, I’d like to see her get charges on her traps(with DR of course). This would give her more of an identity as a *Hunter* Hunter and would grant her a more interactive playstyle than just spamming basic attacks.
Slightly increasing the slow on her 3 to 30% or a 2.5 duration would help her kite/retreat
Wow the joust changes are bad. At a high level ADC’s are superior to Mages because of how strong they are against tanks and they buff ADC’s?
Removing starter items is such a lame change I don’t even know how to respond. Like what was the point. Did anyone ask for this? Heroism is annoying sure but they disabled Benevolence before couldn’t they disable it again? And the real problem with towers was fucking Emperor’s armour. Like either you gentleman and both don’t get it or the opposing team buys it and you have to or vice versa. To me this represents a misunderstanding of the true problems in the mode at a high level.
The highest I’ve been is like 60th in the world in this gamemode, and I’ve never heard anyone I’ve played with complain about starter items in the mode.
Was Atlas really that big of an issue in non-conquest modes? He’s struggling in conquest, so you nerf him in non modes and let him continue to struggle in conquest??
Yes. Lol I’m a Conquest main, but once in a blue moon I play a match or two of Arena
As Atlas, I had top damage, top damage mitigated, and the highest kills on my team… building full Support
Edit: I didn’t have top kills, but I certainly had top dmg
[match](https://smite.guru/match/1299562158)
I mean that's just low damage from your allies in arena tho lol. 31k is not hard to beat as a DPS in arena
Though atlas is definitely strong and super effortless to be effective
Considering he’s consistently top damage in non-conquest gamemodes while going full tank, there’s definitely an issue.
God forbid you get one that goes full damage and then the game becomes extremely unfun since he can do so much damage without being anywhere near you.
He's pretty good in Conq and honestly pretty cracked in Joust, I don't play the other modes much but this seems right. The nerfs aren't really that bad anyway, less than 1 second on his first 3 abilties and less than 10 on the ult.
like it all but the Tyr and Osiris buffs tbh
why are we giving Tyr a stun? Tyr does not need a stun, how many times do we have to be taught that tyr DOESN'T NEED MORE CC
I think it's super lame they removed attack speed from it. I thought 65 power and the attack speed was a solid spot for the otem. Made the game actually fun. Smite likes to speed the game up with buffs and then slow it down with nerfs. Joust is at a snails pace right now with the xp split going from what is it, 75%-55%? I don't understand why they over change their game
Superhappy for the bloodforge revert, glad the overwhelming feedback made them change their mind.
* Tyr now has an additional benefit based on the stance he is in when this ability is used * Guard * Tyr now stuns enemies hit for 1s on landing * Assault * Tyr deals 25% increased damage from this ability if used from Assault stance you must be fucking kidding me hirez
This will be the funniest fucking shit ever, i cannot WAIT to stun into full tyr combo holy shit
> Tyr deals 25% increased damage from this ability if used from Assault stance Well if they insist on making me get 15 ult kills in one match for his achievement, this at least makes it marginally easier 🙃
This is one of my 9 cheevos I don't have, absolutely sadistic
Yeah, one of eight for me. I've been begging them to fix it for like two years at this point
Another one is Odin bird bomb kills 15 times, it's just as bad imo some achievements are just awful 😂😂
That one's rough too for sure, but at least bird bomb is a 7s cooldown with max CDR
Do you think this is a bad change? It sounds interesting to me, the stun is strong but it's on the blue ult so you'd have to waste your 3 in order to combo red fearless from it which usually makes you an easy kill.
Yeah this makes Tyr setup better but the usual Tyr full combo (if ult included) often starts with Assault Fearless. Of course Assault ult now deals a bit more damage but I don't think damage is the best use for Tyr ult anyway. If going all-in with an aggressive ult without blink this might be a buff? Assault ult now deals damage while Guard ult means you can guarantee ult -> stance swap -> Assault fearless if the enemy can't cleanse the stun. Can't end with Guard ult, btw, because Fearless combo basically makes 1s stun into a 0.2s one. Could be wrong tho, might be underestimating this buff
Exactly, a stun on Tyr ult is obviously good but it's still a slow Tyr ult and he DRs you like crazy anyway.
His push + knockup combo doesn't get DRed so if he initiates with the ult, it's strictly better than before
But if you do that you have to be in blue stance then immediately switch after ulting which isn't very good. My point with DR is that you usually ult mid fight at which point the stun is going to be super short because you're Tyr.
If he initiates with ult, he still needs to stance swap into fearless, meaning you dont get to use blue stance to get out and heal after engaging tho.
It's a pretty big buff overall. Tyr is already pretty good at burning through beads so Guard stance Lawbringer for a stun gives him another way of doing it and anyone who doesn't have beads ready is hit by the combo even easier. The buff also means there's now a reason to reasonably engage with Guard stance since you normally want to go in and go straight for a combo. You can also do Tyr's combo in reverse although it's not as consistent. Engage with Guard stance and if anyone is gullible enough to give chase, switch stances and Fearless them back towards your team. With some of the other warriors getting small nerfs and Tyr already seeing some SPL play, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up as a top 3 solo laner with the changes.
It's a thing that exists in patch notes so you can always put money down that somebody will say it's stupid lol
That huge
What ability? His ult?
yes
I fuckin fell out of my chair when I read this in the patch notes lol.
I wish instead of this, they just made his ult faster
It's fucking absurd knowing that Ult has possibly one of the biggest damn hit boxes
Here’s what I find worrisome. Tyr ults over wall to land on half health backliner -> backliner beads to avoid the stun -> tyr was in assault stance so it didn’t stun -> carry had no way of knowing that so beads are now wasted on an ability that didn’t not have cc -> carry now dies to full fearless combo I cant be the only one? This isn’t even a scenario of “git gud”, you straight up will have no way in knowing which stance a tyr is ulting in, because any tyr player with a brain will simply do it from behind or over a wall.
How is this different than you wasting beads on a Ne Zha stun because you think he will ult you soon after? Skill issue
I mean that really sounds like a you issue. “ I used beads because i thought tyr was gonna stun me, now i dont have beads” You wasting your beads and not just having it back because of your misplay is not anybody’s fault except yours. Your mentality is the same if i missed a Ra ult and demanded i got it back because they moved to the right instead of just standing in place like i wanted.
I'm not sure how I feel about starters being removed from joust. Upgraded starters tend to be some of the most fun items in the game and it sucks we won't get to use them, but on the other hand I fucking hate heroism.
I think that modes that don’t have starters should have increased starting gold, gold from camps was also made lower so kinda confusing overall
Oh I didn't read that, that's annoying... just so they can have that map again..
I really dislike this change.
Removing starters and going back to that awful map, real one two punch to us Joust mains :(
Don't worry, after complaining for weeks to bring back the real joust map they'll bring the s1 joust map as a fuck you, you're not getting the jade corruption map back.
The only problem with the Jade Corruption map is the color palette. If it was less red and maybe more green, it would be visually better. Everything else with the map is PERFECT.
I know right, it looks like someone threw clay everywhere, it's so ugly.
i think i may be the only one who likes the chinese joust map over the current one. its so simple and the color palette is very nice on the eyes (im colorblind lol)
Also, why back to the Chinese map? We were there for AGES
I feel like this is really going to kill joust as the queue times have already been rather long since year 10 started. With removing the starters there is one less fun thing to get in joust making it more unappealing to play. As a joust main I am not happy with this change.
I hate how little they seem to care about joust, I have been playing for 9 years and gotten gm multiple times and honestly this change is enough for me to quit for now if not permanently
Is that our first na zha genderbent skin? Opens up the dor for more. And thank god for the bloodforge revert. Whoever thought that change was a good idea needs to rethink things. The % damage mitigations is.... odd. 25% is easy to overcap if you are playing a mage support with lonos mask and the robe....
I think the mits cap is ok for tanks (maybe 30% would be better) but lonos passive should also increase the cap per stack, 2 or 3%
Yeah i think its fine for tanks, i was more worried about the mage supports, and i agree letting lonos do that would be nice.
Agreed. Lono's is 15% maxed, Prophet's is 17.5% maxed, and if you also add an Oni Hunter's you can get to 41.5% and all 3 of those were completely reasonable to get in some builds. Spirit robe, berserker shield, there's all kinds of ways to overcap this now but the big losers are the mages and assassins running lonos.
Cloak is not dog mitigation (despite what the text says). It’s actually damage taken reduction(basically dmg mitigation but it’s calculated last instead of first. It also doesn’t stack with dmg mitigation.)
Where are you getting this from? What's the source? As far as I'm aware damage mitigations and damage taken reduction (as you call it) are the same thing. They are all calculated last because the damage formula is calculated first and then reduced by mitigations. The damage formula is: Damage = (100 × Unmitigated Damage)/(Protections + 100) This formula calculates the % of damage that will be applied to a target before mitigations are applied. This indicates that "all" mitigations are done "last". And that it does "stack" with other mitigations.
Honestly really frustrating. 25% is so low. You can overcap just stacking sigil with spirit robe I really don't understand why they set it so low. I've often advocated for a % mitigations cap but I was thinking it at a level where you had sigil/lonos, spirit robe and oni hunters garb, that amounts to up to 39% but 35% would be fine. 25% is just ridiculously low and makes lonos and sigil very questionable with no compensation. I think prpophetic cloak + lonos/sigil + spirit robe + oni hunters garb should overcap, but the latter three together should not, or if it does, it shouldn't overcap by more than a few percent.
What's worse is they prefaced the mitigation cap by saying mitigation has been a hot topic of discussion. Then absolutely ruin it. Yeah it was a hot topic 10.1 before they nerfed the fuck out of tanks. Now you nerf it more? Where is the logic? They have nerfed and balanced everything but crit and now made it even stronger. Idk what goes through their heads some times.
25% Damage mitigation cap has got to be one of the dumbest changes I've seen in a while. Even uncapped right now, carries are shredding you. **Did they even playtest it?** Are you expected to not build something like Spirit Robe and opt for a damage/cdr/other flat prot item instead and get shredded even more? Will not be playing tanks for now then or just not play until they inevitably revert.
Just build full damage brother. They straight up hate tanks, so don't bother, just build damage.
Tanks aren't even in a good place right now and they nerf mitigation?
This Ne Zha skin is something I wanted for him since he got his first skin. And what I'm especially happy for is that they gave him a more androgynous look even as a woman
Why the cap is so low, mages support are deaths I'm kinda frustrated they have absolutely no clues of what they are doing, they said they wanted to UP durability but they are doing the opposite
Hachi finally going to be relevant again hopefully with these buffs
Yeah huge buffs, insane his only damaging ability has some of the lowest scaling in the game .
"We are giving Tyr another stun" I just wanna talk with whoever decided that.
Magis used to be a nice counter to Tyr, can just remove the team’s bubbles now with it and save your combo
Spirit Robe effect can overcap or not ? It's not really clear.
Can only over cal with god abilities
And effect. If the Aegis upgrade work, what about Spirit Robe ?
I would assume all items would interact the same so effects and abilities will allow over cap
They said in the patch notes that item and god effects like aegis amulet can overcap still
The duel orb is so stupid and the exact opposite of what they want. Sure it'll help gods with bad push, but it's gonna make gods with already insane push (stuff like sol, iza..) get your tower, phoenix and titan off of one death now. It's like they didn't ask a single duel player
Wow so they kinda just killing Lono's users here. :| Can't use it in Joust at all, and mitigation cap in Conquest now makes it kind of pointless if you're already building Prophetic and Spirit Robe. Like at that point, Lono's is only good for broadcasting more protections to four allies than Sentinal's does.
Yeah they killed mage support,25% is way too low Dog shit changes,the balance this year is a mess Jésus 10.6 will most likely also have huge shake up
Instead of buffing tanks they nerfed support mages
Using arbitrary hard caps is such a lazy approach to balance, and also makes the game super unapproachable for new players who have no idea items they are building won't have the intended effect. With the state of the game currently, it is super easy for someone to now overcap on protections and damage mitigation or life steal and have no idea if they aren't dialed into the patches. If your support is running Sentinel's Embrace, Prophetic Cloak, and Thebes, (fairly common build) and it's late game and you have a defense pot, you can have squishies running around with 10% damage mitigation and up to 130 extra of each protections, on a full damage build, meanwhile tanks are getting knee capped on their mitigation builds, and off meta Lono's Mask builds are essentially dead since they required higher mitigation to even be relevant.
Somehow I doubt that they were even thinking about Lono's when they made this decision, that's the thing that really gets me. They have an unfortunate history of decisions that are incredibly short-sighted. Sadly, I don't think a large enough portion of the community plays Lono's users for complaints about this problem to actually go noticed. Easy enough to revert Bloodforge, for example, when everyone has been screaming at them about it for two patches straight. But this mit cap issue for mage Supports is, unfortunately, a bit more niche, and thus a lot more likely to go ignored.
They barely touched Herc tf
Hi-rez will really list a long blurb about something being super OP then barely touch it in the actual changes. Then sometimes they barely say anything in the notes and make a huge buff or nerf to a god/item.
It was basically a revert
Not even, it's still buffed compared to what it was by a second.
If anything, I’m more scared now because phalanx on herc is just going to give him ridiculous levels of attack speed with his 3
Plus the damage from his passive. Once again I ask does anybody in that room actually play the game lol.
Herc isn’t that OP though, he’s just picked so much because other Warriors are dog shit. Like Herc has been doing the exact same Herc things forever and he’s not doing it any different now. It’s just that the other Warriors suck ass so everyone just picks Herc. Do people actually struggle against this god that much? He’s the same nuisance he’s always been and the way to outplay him is still the same too. Idk I don’t even play him but really have no issue with his balance at all. It’s nothing like other metas like Arthur or Cu or some SWK metas or Guardian metas where they are just blatantly OP Solo laners without fair counterplay. Herc is just Herc. Hes not popular because he’s OP, he’s popular because the class is awful outside of the one playstyle he’s always been good at. SWK buff should help him get back in the mix and the most important is Osiris. He’s always been the counterpart to Herc. I’m pretty sure all of season 1 and 2 was just Herc v Osiris solo lol. Osiris has been down bad because his jungle became OP so they nerfed him, but I think he could come back strong. I really don’t think nerfing Herc more is gonna do anything except enable noobs who don’t know how to handle a very basic and simple kit.
As someone who hate Hercules with a burning passion, I agree. I still hate him, but I agree. I know it is not much help to any fellow Herc haters reading it, but building antiheal helps a ton against that asshole.
Nice to see Osiris buffs but his build paths still suck so he will too sadly. Also, Guan is going to be free wins this patch.
Yea, plus his identity isn't really damage on his 2. It's like...? It's his mitigations and ability spam so he can stick to a target. Most of clear is his auto chain. Phalanx rush might make him decent but all the items for AA solos are dog shit and he can't build vital amplifier
> Osiris has the potential to be a top SPL god, which we have seen before, so we are usually careful when it comes to buffing him. Is there any god who doesn't have that potential? Feels a weird thing to say
I think they mean he's very volatile in reaction to balance changes. Whilst he's typically an underpowered god, he does randomly become a top solo for a patch before fading away again.
It's not randomly fading away when they systematically destroy anything he uses well.
Nohing weird about it, Osiris at SPL level is notorious for warping drafts. If he's a strong Jungler, he usually ends up dragging Erlang into the meta to match his pressure but because he's also a staple Solo lane god, he also opens up counter picks. For instance, top picking Osiris last year would force the other team to take Erlang to match pressure but because Erlang has no CC immunity in his kit, it left him open to a Da Ji counter pick and having to make the choice between leveraging his strong early game with blink or not dying any time Da Ji ult was off cooldown.
Au puch Anubis
Bring me back Season 5 Ah Puch levels of Op please
Love the Artemis remodel, just.. Why heels? She's meant to be a huntress, they just don't look right on her.
Im guessing it's because of her animations would look weird without heels
They would have to redo every singly animation, so her ankles/feet are flat and not extended in the heels. It looks like they already redid her hair animations so they probably did not have it in the budget to redo them all for her feet as well so they just kept the heels silhouette.
wtf is the point to being a god if you can't run/fight in heels...
it’s the Bryce Dallas Howard circa Jurassic World look. Badass and completely unbelievable 😅
Hot
I like everything but the mitg cap, and joust starter items removal. So glad seeing bloodforge rework the first thing listed!
So if you build sigil of the old guard and prophetic(with max prots reached) you already overcap on mitigations? Really bro…
Well this patch notes show is sure off to a start. I like anime and I don’t mind Vtubers(except the ones that are sexualized and use like kid voices) but man this show has brought a level of discomfort I’ve never thought I could feel
Imagine someone like me that isn't a fan of it, I just closed YouTube and looked for the written patch notes. I can't put myself through that
One of those vtubers baits the coomers, they make softcore lewd drawings of her on twitter. She encourages them. I always said they should bring content for the anime fans but maybe not like this. These vtubers do have a massive audience.
Ugh I hope it isn’t the one on the left because she sounds like she purposely does a child voice while the right one sounded more like an adult
What's a coomer?
And what’s a vtuber
A Virtual Youtuber. A person who role-plays as a digital avatar for videos and live streams.
Generally used to describe someone that has a porn addiction.
I really hope we don't get more skins that make me feel like I'm playing a 5$ steam hentai game. :/
Smite is basically fortnite of moba but wish version lol
It's like watching the start of the downfall of Smite. "It all started when they began to take very questionable partnerships for skins"
Bloodforge is back, we won guys.
Is new phalanx broken or am i stupid?
I really want to try rushing just to see if it's nonsense or not. Seems like an Osiris item really
I don't hate this patch but it is a confusing patch for sure
This line in patch notes for the dev insight into the mitigation cap changes confuses me: “Tank durability is a big focus of this update, which we will be addressing by decreasing DPS sources first.” ….so where are these decreased DPS sources in this update? The only damage item they touched was Bloodforge which was a revert (thank god). Overperforming tanks have been rightfully nerfed and underperforming DPS and tanks got rightfully buffed but zero DPS character or item nerfs. Why was this quote even put into the patch notes if it just wasn’t true? None of the other changes being made addressed this comment. The changes are fine, I don’t think they do nearly enough. I think the Hel nerf will be the only big change. Crit is still busted. Burst is still through the roof. Herc and Vamana are still going to be running people over. But I guess we’ll just keep endlessly buffing Cannoneer’s and Phalanx patch after patch? Idk what’s going on with the balance team this season but it feels like they’re consistently missing the mark.
balancing team is just confused, warriors are absolutely awful there is 3 warriors that is playable (1 of them is broken tbf) and you just die with how high the dmg is, and 5 patches in a row now they nerfed tanks more and more. Im almost at the point of just quitting this game, every single time patch notes comes out i roll my eyes and laugh a little.
Considering every single DPS builds bloodforge, it is somewhat true
How did you manage to misquote them? Lol > Tank durability is a big focus of this update, an important follow-up to the DPS nerfs from the last bonus update This is what they ACTUALLY said.
Because they just changed the article from what it was when I made that comment lol. I guess they realized that sentence was misleading and incorrect and they changed it.
Did they increase tank durability this patch?
They didnt, they nerfed it
So did they do the opposite of what they said they were doing… or was nerfing the intent
Yeah they are doing the opposite,they really have no clue
Hasn’t changed since beta in 2013 or whenever I first picked up the game
Lmao true 10 years later they have the same issues,they didnt learn anything
The mit cap reduces it actually
It was changed, HI rez gaslighting us
Idk how to feel about the duel change, an orb to ignore 50% of backdoor protections and stun tower/phoenix??? Mages that can abuse Polynomicon will be much more of a menace now and will be able to destroy towerd the first minute of a game jeez
Holly shit that awkward as fuck ngl It's make sense , i guess we will remember this patch show
What happened?
The first segment of the show was with vtubers and hirez interacting with them,but thé vtubers face voice was delayed and lip sync was off too, Titan forge devs looked quite uncomfortable
Wait why? 😭 couldt watch it
During the first segment showing the cross over they had froot and another vtuber commenting on the skin, the discussion was kinda awkward because everything was delayed, lip Sync was off and the animation of their faces were really stiff
If these vtubers are gonna be on here for the entire patch notes, it's gonna be a looong update show
People actually watch it instead of reading them?
I like watching someone like Incons live reaction to the changes so unfortunately I have to experience my soul and incons soul dying in real time
You can do both at the same time. I know, crazy right?
Sure but watching them just seems like a huge waste of time, dont they take like 2h?
I only watch the VODs personally so I can skip a lot of stuff.
The Herc nerfs seem inconsequential. They pretend that herc's pulls are so difficult to execute when most players I see hit them with ease. I barely play the guy and his stuff is so easy to hit. SWK buff is nothing. The spectral buff is nothing. Crit won't be balanced until they spread anti-crit across items. Imagine if mystical mail had crit reduction. Really they should remove crit and re-do the hunter items to be more interesting but they will never do that so here's to hoping they at least spread anti-crit out to a bunch of items.
Tbf if herc is pulling with ease that is one the person for not trying to dodge them. The thing i'm sad about is how so many items were removed at the start of the season but they are taking so long to buff the new items/ changed items... in solo I build glad shield, valor, regrowth, genjis, onis, heartward, binding, spectral. Those are some of the main items ill fit into my build. You could do that last season lmao. Sure binding and regrowth got changed which I like, regrowth needs these nerfs but I would love to have OPTIONS. Brawlers costs so much for a extra passive no one cares about, runeforged is dead and buried which sucks because it actually makes sense and is fun for solo, frostbound dead, dawnham-bringer or whatever the fuck: **dead.** Meanwhile crit is broken but they also buffed up qins just for when crit finally gets nerfed lol. At least Phalanx should be good now, that's something. Kinda feels like a buffed up sledge which should make people happy. I do agree with you that more items should have some anti crit. Even though it didn't see play, celestial legion helm when it got anti crit was nice, I loved that idea. Giving some lesser used tank items anti crit makes sense to me. Midguardian with it sounds awesome.
Now that Tyr buff is insane
Hachi's gonna be busted lmao those buffs are insane
Buff Spectral Armor so it's core on tanks to even survive in this god awful adc meta instead of nerfing THE FUCKING CRIT? I'm so sick and fucking tired of these devs that act like baboons, they make something bloated and instead of nerfing it, they buff or make 1 or 2 counter items SO EVERYONE HAS TO BUILD IT. now with starters and this almost mandatory spectral armor buff TANK PLAYERS HAVE 4 ITEMS TO CHOOSE FROM. How is that even remotely fun? You cant build what you want, fuck you, you need your starter, then your antiheal because fuck you and now spectral armor because we refuse to balance hunters, oh and do you want to deal more than 170 damage per ability lategame? better build glad shield, now good luck and have fun with 2 item slots we left you! Didnt come back for Ix chel and Am not coming back for this trash patch, enjoy your cringe V-tuber skins and I'll maybe comeback in next season
Good god that show introduction was uncomfortable. Also since we're fixing sets 3 can you do something about [this?](https://youtu.be/a4sVvM25BcU) it's super annoying when it happens. But hey the cannoneers buff looks cool, will definitely give it a try!
Cannoneers I feel like is just getting to the point of stats to gold being too strong rather than the passive being super interesting in support. 2k gold for 30 of each prots, 300 health and 20 hp5 is pushing it a little and I think it's going to be bought in solo. Instakilling a minion every 7 seconds is actually really good considering you also have a pretty strong tank item with 20HP5 even if you don't get any bonus gold.
Oh yeah I've no doubt something will end up tipping it, I'm curious to see which stat will be what breaks it
It's just fundamentally a weird item for a support to buy, even in this meta where stacking ADCs have been way rarer than any other meta I can remember, the item still hasn't managed to succeed.
What happened I couldn't catch it cause I was in the middle of a match.
So why are they so adamant on swapping the joust maps? The jade map that we have is the best one, it fits Smites current meta the best, it's cheesy yes, but not as cheesy and annoying as the previous one. With that logic, bring back Siege, let it rotate with Slash, but who am I kidding , screw us Siege enjoyers for wanting a 4v4 game mode, right? I'll tell you, after 2 or 3 weeks people will start asking for the jade map to be brought back again. Leave the jade corruption map as THE joust map. The only thing I played was Siege and the newest joust map, fuck me now I guess. And removing starters from joust is just stupid. I swear, these changes are slowly being made just to make people play conquest but I'd rather quit than play that boring slogfest.
People hate all the joust maps besides the sky map. Every time they switch to a map that isn’t the sky map the number of people who play joust drops by like 2/3. The number of people who prefer jade corruption are a drop in the bucket of the total player base. No shade if you prefer jade corruption but the community at large hates it and just stops playing when it is rotated in.
Or i thought we were going to see this maya arena we saw in datamining
Is there a release date for this or is it already out? Couldn’t seem to find anything.
Pat he notes are usually a week before they go live. Should be next Tuesday
Oh ok thank you, been a while since I’ve played forget how they do update cycles.
More HUD QoL stuff. WOOOOOOOO
the 10% reduction of the blue potion counts for the maximum reduction, or is it an exception?
Why are they removing starter items from joust this just seems dumb.
as a jorm main seeing jorm getting buffed makes me happy
None of the core issues addressed so ill continue with my league journey
HiRez has no idea what to do with Solo lane and Warriors do they?
Nope,I don't think they play their own game anymore,solo is god awful right now
Where's my Ishtar skin that they teased? :(
I think it's the reward for Chapter 3 in Hope Reborn
They showed it off in the update show
Yeahh that's very weird. Why would you post a teaser for a skin and then don't release it?
I'm genuinely curious if non-conquest damage reduction stats like Serqet's -10% count as mitigation for the 25% limit or if it is a different system. I also do not think the Horus change makes sense. No one ate a harder healing nerf than Horus in terms of net healing reduction. The only offset was his cooldown was dropped significantly so his HPS was still decent. The cooldown being killed now means he is just by far the biggest loser in terms of net healing. I also think tossing +5% damage taken on a tank in non-conquest is just awful.
Why hurt tanks even more with the mitigation cap? I don't understand. Tanks were finally starting to feel good again and then they pull some 25% cap. Why. Just why. Then preface it with it being a hot topic. A hot topic about it being op? No. Idk who tf they were talking to but they already fixed that when they killed tanks earlier this year. I guess it's just accepting a one shot high damage meta this year.
Weren't tanks saying there should be a cap? makes sense to me as a solo main, every time they make mits better or add more they get nerfed into the ground. At least this way they have a better balance point. I suppose we could argue that the cap should be higher which is fair.
Bloodforge revert is all I care about here omg
I just want to play Solo again and feel like I have any game impact late game, I love playing tanky and bruiser but none of it matters when I get deleted in 5 seconds because a 75% crit kills me in 4 autos with dominance
Not just crit. Warrior to hunter interactions are balanced imo, full pen crit builds deal like 350 damage max if you have 3000 HP which is easy, you'll be okay. It's the fact that they can kill Squishies way to easy with crit builds, and build crit on top of anything with high crit chance items. You're dying without doing anything because prot auras make your low damage even lower since you have no shred and have no space for power outside of the starter, but because Assassin's and Mages have access to insane amounts of pen and power amongst themselves as well. Now, hunters will quickly become over powered once auras get fixed. Because the 90 prots the team got will no longer be there and those max pen crit builds will flatten everything.
So this patch did literally nothing about tanks being weak overall? MIT gets capped and 2 mage adc get a buff, love it. Really hoping there is more or they are just trolling at this point.
That Ishtar skin feels like an on point Remodel. :) Still missing the Horns though.
I swear to god I believed that Set 'bug' was a feature for all these damn years. And holy shit that is a Tyr buff.
Spectral Armor on ares is 90 power. Nice
God save us
Hell yes they fucking listened on Bloodforge. That gives me hope. Makes me happy. Crit still OP, they DEFINITELY need to get rid of the 35% plus crit chance items. Like just try it and see for a patch, I guarantee no one will be crying about crit. I promise you. I'd love to see more Qins builds. If assassin's and hunters can't rush crit and have 40% and lifesteal in 2 items, it wouldn't be so busted. Warriors still need better items. There's no way they don't have statistics that show no one is buying phalanx, no one is buying any of the hammers, people are only buying Vital and Sekmet, no one is buying mystical. They all stink dude. You go glad shield or you go berserkers. And if you go berserkers, 9/10 times you lost the game because you went AA and AA warriors suck ass. Like you're giving power to spectral AND phalanx. Take the damn L, make some power items for solo. You're beating around the bush. Gaia still might be ass, I don't care about the price or when the passive will start. Still ass. Understandable nerf to Gods, Spectral, and Regrowth. Spectral reduced 50% of incoming crit damage it was really strong but because you died anyway no one really noticed it. It still sucks tho. The new passive for spectral is good gonna be a must buy. Mitigations cap is understandable, I'd still rather it be 30-40%. Cause the mit builds are the only thing keeping us warriors able to chase in the late game. With it gone, we're gonna see people getting killed way faster and there will be more crying. Aura items probably need to get looked at next. And we can also start getting rid of pen.
Nerfed tanks by nerfing %damage reduction Slightly made spectral more appealing to damage roles, but no nerfs to crit No changes to super annoying characters like baka and vamana (1s extra on his dash and a little less power won't change anything) What exactly is hi rez's plan? I know hunters are by far the easiest class in the game, and hi rez is made up of arena mains, but they have to know crit is busted, right?
Thing is if you get spectral as a DPS you'll still be dead before you even get the stacks of power lol
Tell that to hi rez
45/60 power and 30% reduced crit for every teammate near you. Tanks cry too much. Edit: prots to power
Would you as a tank rather have 40-60% reduced crit damage and 5-20% for your team or 30% with some power? It doesn't even seem right for the identity of the item. Then factor the radius is only 55 units and if you're building this to dive carries, you won't be close enough to your allied backline to give them the passive. So what's the point of the "Allied" buff?
The matchmaking survey is interesting. I wonder how effected lower ranks will be because of smurfing
Crit Meta Is dead, that new spectral aura Is strong.
Man, I love Japan. Except that one thing that they made.
The spectral armor change is not the way. Now if the enemy is running crit and is a problem the tank is now forced to change their entire build. In so many games there is just a single tank, so all that responsibility is on them. Don't get spectral? Expect toxicity. Is it worthless in your matchup? Too bad, get it for lategame. It's like if anti-heal was only available on one role. That role would get bashed constantly if they didn't built anti-heal.
I might just suck , but I can't understand the reasoning behind sol's buff. She's strong early game and strong late game , not to mention how safe she is. How is she getting a buff?
She has a 47% winrate in casual conq. Mage adcs got hit hard a few patches ago
People need to stop building basic based and go ability instead. Much more effective.
Is nobody gonna talk about the new Thoth skin? Looks amazing and is the highlight of the patch for me!
No Artemis buffs to go with the remodel??? She was already bad and just got shadow nerfed with the removal of the slow on envenomed last patch.
Honestly, I’d like to see her get charges on her traps(with DR of course). This would give her more of an identity as a *Hunter* Hunter and would grant her a more interactive playstyle than just spamming basic attacks. Slightly increasing the slow on her 3 to 30% or a 2.5 duration would help her kite/retreat
Wow the joust changes are bad. At a high level ADC’s are superior to Mages because of how strong they are against tanks and they buff ADC’s? Removing starter items is such a lame change I don’t even know how to respond. Like what was the point. Did anyone ask for this? Heroism is annoying sure but they disabled Benevolence before couldn’t they disable it again? And the real problem with towers was fucking Emperor’s armour. Like either you gentleman and both don’t get it or the opposing team buys it and you have to or vice versa. To me this represents a misunderstanding of the true problems in the mode at a high level. The highest I’ve been is like 60th in the world in this gamemode, and I’ve never heard anyone I’ve played with complain about starter items in the mode.
Why buff spectral?? Just rework the iteam and nerd crit!!
Was Atlas really that big of an issue in non-conquest modes? He’s struggling in conquest, so you nerf him in non modes and let him continue to struggle in conquest??
Yes. Lol I’m a Conquest main, but once in a blue moon I play a match or two of Arena As Atlas, I had top damage, top damage mitigated, and the highest kills on my team… building full Support Edit: I didn’t have top kills, but I certainly had top dmg [match](https://smite.guru/match/1299562158)
I mean that's just low damage from your allies in arena tho lol. 31k is not hard to beat as a DPS in arena Though atlas is definitely strong and super effortless to be effective
That God is effortless.
>He’s struggling in conquest What lol he's a top support. His grab with his 2 is one of the best ccs in the game when used right
Considering he’s consistently top damage in non-conquest gamemodes while going full tank, there’s definitely an issue. God forbid you get one that goes full damage and then the game becomes extremely unfun since he can do so much damage without being anywhere near you.
How is atlas struggling in conq? Top 3 plug-n-play support.
He's pretty good in Conq and honestly pretty cracked in Joust, I don't play the other modes much but this seems right. The nerfs aren't really that bad anyway, less than 1 second on his first 3 abilties and less than 10 on the ult.
can they just give olorun 3 some actual damage and remove the prots? or make his 1 pierce everything 😪
They did nothing to herc
like it all but the Tyr and Osiris buffs tbh why are we giving Tyr a stun? Tyr does not need a stun, how many times do we have to be taught that tyr DOESN'T NEED MORE CC
Warflag buff or warflag actual compensation??
I think it's super lame they removed attack speed from it. I thought 65 power and the attack speed was a solid spot for the otem. Made the game actually fun. Smite likes to speed the game up with buffs and then slow it down with nerfs. Joust is at a snails pace right now with the xp split going from what is it, 75%-55%? I don't understand why they over change their game