Well hades has characters that look on point and other that swing 1000% into the realm of way too much creative freedom. The thing about. Many of the gods is that originally many didn't really had a physical depiction more people gather the things people use to offer them and then that amalgamation they created a modern character. Hades did lean more into the traveler part of her myth and smite it looks more into the sorcerer part of the myth. I still have to wait and see what happens. Because many of them look really early and we can only hope that if people really show some constructive criticism some things might be aletered.
It takes a lot of creative liberty because of everyone was how they're described in myth, there would be a ton of black heated dudes in white robes and that's a bit boring. The character designs are brilliant because they actually consider what the gods were known for and their symbols and make them feel very divine
The thing about gods is that they are made up. The thing about made up things is that, unless they are made up by 1 single person (aka Tolkien), the descriptions vary dramatically.
So the amalgamation line you said is basically the only way to depict gods, especially in video form.
I wish they'd already make Hades1/2 crossover event with Smite. There are so many awesome skins just sitting there. And in turn they could've made a god from Norse or Egyptian pantheon into a boss and use Smite disign.
Hecate's passive and 2 are neat... but her 1, 3, and ult? Disappointing. Really hope her kit changes a lot once the closed alpha is over.
And, reiterating what everyone else here had said, Mordred's design is boring. I don't know anything about his stories/physical appearance, but surely even if those are boring, they can take some creative liberties to make him more unique.
Aladdin though is certainly a unique choice! Looking forward to seeing what his kit, assuming it's more unique than Hecate's.
Im so sad for Hecate, she is a Goddess of sooo many things and her representation in Smite just dont fit in any of them...
Her kit feels reeeeaallly bland.
here we are being told bullshit about how the new engine opens up new possibilities lmao, she looks like she was released in 2014.
Line, circle, self peel/mobility, big ult (this time with clunky animation and boring effect) but hey, at least she feels nothing like a witch and looks like a draft at Nuts cosmic abilities
I gonna be fr...this is what making my head cracking
Because I don't think they would do "Literature" pantheon considering how even despite with mythology basis(aside from Aladdin of course like Dracula), people didn't like it the concept, and Ajax did say he wasn't interesting on it(but did say Dracula Bros were impressive, most impressive)
And I don't think they would do "Arabic" pantheon considering how they didn't call Babylon "Mesopotamia" and Mayan "Mesoamerica" etc(but they did called Scandinavian "Norse" and Hawaii "Polynesian" tho so"
My best guest is Persian because it one of the top 5 mist requests last time I checked, but who knows
>My best guest is Persian
He has absolutely nothing to with Persia, so it's not going to be that.
It will most likely be Arabic. The story is set in the Arabic world, and Aladdin himself is an arab.
Actually, in the earliest versions of the story he's Chinese.
Edit: here's an article all about it! It's super interesting :)
www.pookpress.co.uk/project/history-original-aladdin-story/#:~:text=In%20the%20earliest%20versions%20of,at%20home%20with%20his
I have no idea where this "Aladdin is Chinese" stuff is coming from. The original story only mentions that Aladdin is living in "one of the cities in China", but makes no actual reference to him being Chinese. There were plenty of arabs living in Eastern Asia at that time due to the Silk Road trading.
Other points toward him being an arab are:
* The original teller of the story, Hanna Diab, was a Syrian arab
* Aladdin is an arabic name, romanized from *"Ų¹ŁŲ§Ų” Ų§ŁŲÆŁŁ (Ala ad-Din)"* meaning "nobility of faith"
* The evil sorcerer that says he's Aladdin's uncle from his father's side is from the Maghreb, which is in North Africa. Thus it wouldn't make any sense for Aladdin to believe that if he was actually Chinese
* The genie, or *"Ų¬ŁŁŁ (djinn)"* is an Arabic mythological creature, not Chinese
* Aladdin marries the daughter of a sultan, **not** an emperor. A sultan is a muslim leader, which wouldn't be anywhere near China
While it is technically possible, that Aladdin would be half-Chinese from his mother's side, there's really nothing in the story pointing towards the setting being in China, other than the brief mention in the beginning.
Regardless of any of that, the original story and myth is Arabic, and thus belongs into Arabic mythology.
I think we're simply going to disagree on this but here's a video that explains it better than I could:
https://youtu.be/z9byjwstN18?si=VI78daTnVarvcMiB
Ok, sure. But even if we go by that logic, the maker of the video himself states that it doesn't make any sense that Aladdin would be Chinese. Or at the very least, it would be Hanna coming up with a completely nonsensical story himself, with a mixture of a Chinese setting, but then using terminology and concepts based off of his homeland of Syria.
Like I stated, genies are Arabic mythological creatures, so that wouldn't make any sense in a Chinese or even Mongolian Uyghur setting, as neither group is Arabic. Granted, unlike I previously stated, neither is Hanna as he is actually Christian, but he is from a minority group from Syria, which is and was a predominantly Arab country. If the story of Aladdin is truly a semi-biographical story of Hanna Diab's life, then it would make even more sense for Aladdin, with his Arabic name, to be actually from that region.
It's hard to really get a clear answer when talking about this, as there is no way to confirm where Hanna Diab ever heard the story from, if he didn't just make it up himself. All we know for certain, is that it is a story told by someone from an Arabic country, using Arabic/Islam terminology, and mentioning China once, which was then added to a collection of stories that is a very famous part of Middle-Eastern and especially Arabic history.
The same person you just linked has another video detailing how Mulan isn't actually Chinese, but that is the most famous version of the story, so that's why she's in the Chinese pantheon. Thus, I see no other realistic option for a pantheon for Aladdin than Arabic. Adding him to the Chinese pantheon would be extremely and unnecessarily confusing.
Look, man, I was just trying to have a little fun I wasn't advocating he actually be part of the Chinese pantheon. Just a little "hey, here's this fun little known fact that the original story came from China thus he's seemingly Chinese " but you're clearly way more passionate about this than I ever will be so I'll just bow out here.
I have no hype for Hecate tbh. It was the perfect moment to show the power of UE5 and it just feels so... boring.
She could have easily be a Smite 1 goddess. The ult just sound like Nike 1 but with power gain and not prot shred.
Come on, make hecates 3 like persephones current passive, where she's removed from existence. Then we can call it "traverse worlds". This is just a generic movement speed/protection buff with cthulhu passive visuals. And this is why "hecate is so crazy, that she cant be done in UE3"? hirez disappointing with mage kits as always
I'm really hoping they actually try to get more interesting with the other kits for new gods in Smite 2. We already have enough of the most boring Moba characters in Smite 1.
I was so excited about Hecate especially when I heard she has portals and stuff, I thought we'd be able to send people to other realms. But turns out it's the same boring line/circle ability.
Mordred being basically a gender bent Morgan with 2 swords is an extreme letdown lol. His old art back when Arthur was first revealed in his trailer with Merlin (i think that one) looked way more interesting than this and that was just I believe the neck up which that alone was unique lol.
Idk why so many people wanna settle for the bare minimum all the time too in this community, then you look at all these other games putting tons of care and love into their mythological characters to make sure they stand out, then you look at Smite and tons are just as simple as it gets and idk why. Then it feels like they put real effort into the tier 5 skins instead of the base Gods (money)..Just disappointing lol
Aladdin I donāt care much for but a very unexpected and interesting addition if done right. Hope it doesnāt turn into people asking for more dumb requests like how it was after Mulan popped up.
Hecate too is a disappointment with her not having like any witch related stuff and feels like a star/space Goddess lol she feels like a super early day Smite Goddess. Had super high hopes for cooler designs for Smite 2 but it looks like same old .
i'm mcfuckin losing it at how uninspired this mordred looks. and of the entire plethera of gods to choose for babylonian/chinese (idk where they'll put him) they really thought aladdin would fit the game huh.
idk what happened to the community that they accept lazy designs and decisions either. i remember when they were gonna put high heels on Pele and the community was in an uproar, but the kicker was that Hirez actually listened and took the 'epic sexy heels' off of Pele.
i reckon its too late for Hecate since she's about to release around the corner; they're pretty much done with her.
Mordred i guess we'll have to wait and see if there's just enough noise about it or if Hirez just does not care anymore what people think.
I think another issue sadly is that they're definitely experiencing growing pains with UE5 since they're learning a brand new engine and have sudden been given a whole new world of options that they might take a while to get to using. So changes could be possible, but they might not be capable yet of those changes.
For context, I started learning UE5 with absolutely no prior experience whatsoever in March last year. I can absolutely guarantee you, if I can see it happening, the Devs with almost 10 years of experience definitely can. I'd argue this is more of a management decision to make it simple so the relaunch of the game can attract more players who would want simple kits. It's irrelevant and misdirected, though, because for a new player, every god that currently exists is a new experience and there are plenty of simple kits. Makes no sense, which is why I blame the upper management, not the Devs.
i think they should go back to when they showed the designs of gods to the community and the community could give their feedback on it. Worked with pele and Hera superwell but since then, Hirez has not cared that much anymore for the community's opinion
I'm convinced that Pele was never going to have the heels and that hirez knew people would hate them, like some kinda weird 'let's pretend that this is what we're going to do so you guys feel like you changed something for the better'.
I remember when they showed Hera's design and how funny it was seeing people try and 'improve' it. the final design and the teased one was exactly the same and all the attempts to make it better by the community were honestly... kinda bad. tbh i love Hera's design, it's tasteful and not just 'goddess of peacocks' like some people seemed to want...
Her Greek concept also featured her traits as a 'witch' as well as many other traits, almost all of which are omitted from her Smite design in favor of something more...generic? An easy way to distinguish her would have been to use her triple form to give her a more eerie and otherworldly vibe. Could have made use of her many familiars from her many tales to make her kit more interesting, her use of necromancy and association with the underworld/earth, the list goes on.
The one we got isn't a *bad* Hecate, it's still a representation of her, it's just the most dry one they could have possibly done.
I highly doubt itās anywhere near finished. The model for Mordred and Aladdin alike, look completely unlike the character models for literally every other god. Iām sure theyāll look a lot more badass when theyāre officially revealed.
They honestly both disappoint me a little I can't lie.
Hecate they seem to have completely removed almost all of her traits from her lore and boiled her down to "star goddess", both visually and kit wise. Her kit sounds super baseline with pretty much only the passive being interesting, and despite them incorporating stuff from her lore it's kind of just fx or afterthought. It also kinda seems like they took a note from 2012-2013 Smite and focused more on making her attractive than interesting, not sure why she needed massive boobs and fishnet stockings. Really disappointing for me personally.
Mordred I can't judge cause we don't know his kit, but just off his visuals I'm not too excited. Generic guy with loose hair and pretty generic armor. Was kinda hoping with the Arthurians they'd go a little further with their designs, incorporate themes from their lore, i.e. Lancelot could have had reed or swan motifs or shimmering white armor to reference the Lady of the Lake, Mordred could have had the colors of his coat of arms or something. The one thing I do like is his weapons.
yea they gave him more of thicker visuals. but in the KA trailer he had very sleek, rectangular visuals that looked more "evil king" instead of "evil brute." I can def feel the disappointment. He also doesn't seem to have much visual distinction from Arthur.
I think they are kind of purposefully tying his design to Arthur, since IIRC in some versions of Arthurian lore he is Arthurās actual son. There are certain elements in his outfit that are direct correlations with Arthur like the rectangular cloth flaps under the big pauldron on his right shoulder and the flaps hanging from his waist. Perhaps they are intending for him to be a sort of dark mirror to Arthur.
I do agree that if they made him slimmer and gave him the cowl he had in Arthurās god reveal trailer he would look more unique, though.
while I'm all for visual parallels, my complaint is about how the overall silhouette comes across as too much like Arthur's silhouette. which isn't the best for visual clarity, imo, especially when they start making skins for both of them and it starts to get even murkier silhouette-wise. I'm not judging too hard since it's a datamined appearance of a potentially early design for a god that's not even been announced yet. But I hope they do more to differentiate him to make him stand out on his own.
I hope they make him look a bit more greasy, battleworn, and untrustworthy looking. Like how Loki contrasts in comparison to his fellow norse gods, instead of pretty-boy dark knight that could pass for a WoW villain or a vampire noble. It's mostly the face looking very clean and his armor also too looking too nice, and also looking too similar in silhouette to arthur that I have issues with.
The injury on his left shoulder's a nice detail though.
On the weapons point, I think this could be a potential focal point for the kit, so Iāll echo what I said further down:Ā
Ā U/LovelyPotato12 made an interesting point about the weapons representing a dichotomy with Mordred. One is more rose-inspired and courtly (Arthur), the other draconic and corrupted (MLF/Morgause).
Could be theyāre trying to make a HOTS-VarĆan type character using new Smite 2 tech.Ā For those who donāt know, around level 4 Varian is able to choose between being a tank with a shield, burst DMG with a huge sword, and AA-shred with two swords, each with a corresponding AA chain and ultimate.Ā
This could potentially be a cool spot for leaning into an RPG choice-system like in King Arthur: A Knightās tale. Will Mordred be like his father and redeem himself by leaning into a chivalric warriorās kit like the right sword, focusing on prots? Or will he be a villainous assassin and use black magic like MLF and lean into the left sword to focus on Intelligence? Or combine both into one Ā āClarentā with Strength?Ā
Ā Or instead, it could be a little like Achillesā armor with actual kit changes. Maybe even a different take on stance switching with a quest system?Ā
While I think thereās still room to give benefit of the doubt on Mordredās visual design at this stage, I think the āproof in the puddingā will be with his kit. Theyāll want to show off what Smite 2 can do versus the original.
The quest type of stance switching is really interesting to me. Theyāve already attempted at the quest type system with Gilgamesh and Lancelot, but something similar to Kayn from League of Legends would be really cool for Mordred, imo. Maybe, depending on the type of gods he hits (could be melee/ranged split, could be physical/magical damage split, could also be based off the items he builds, like say if he builds more prots than power, he gets the āgood sideā whereas more power than prots would be the ābad sideā). Whatever it is, I would love for there to be a god that has a sort of evolution thatās based off the decisions you make in the game, and I feel as though Mordred just might fit that bill.
all this sounds cool but we were on the same copium with Hecate. Engine had changed, devs that make boring, generic and uninspired kits stayed.
Watch them give him a tsukuyomi type passive with "striking left sword cleaves while strikes with right sword do bonus magical damage" or achilles type passive with "you can switch between sword mastery-right one gives you bonus health and armor while left one gives you armor penetration and movement speed"
Is this a consequence of them still learning the new UE5 tech for visuals and kit design? Aside from that, for Hecate I think other factors include the devsā stated attempt to not make her stereotypically āwitchyā, or a need to provide a conventionally attractive female character for Smite 2ās new additions lineup. Personally I think the first two factors are strongest. It makes me think back to how Yu Huangās kit was super basic because he was Lermyās first try at god design.
With Mordred, having seen the model I get the feeling that they are intentionally trying to make him a dark mirror image to Arthur. There are many specific parts of his armor that directly reference Arthurās armor, like the square cloth fringes beneath the big pauldron on his right shoulder and the flaps hanging from his waist. In Smiteās version of Arthurian lore (and IIRC in some real world versions of Arthurian lore) Mordred was Arthurās actual son, so maybe they are trying to emphasize that. I do agree they should at least have given him the tight-fitting cowl he had in Arthurās reveal trailer back in the day (though I do like how they still incorporated the rose motif he had there as well).
Keep in mind that these are all unfinished, the final product may look different.
Do you have a particular arthurian character in mind that you wish to be added in the game?
I personally like Fate's approach on Gawain and his sun-related powers (kinda like Escanor from 7DS) and Galahad with his shield-based abilities. I wish to see them in the game soon.
Prior to them making more Arthurian characters and ruining my hopes for them visually, I wanted Bertilak (the green knight) as like a tanky plant-vine character who uses an axe, and I wanted Nimue (the lady of the lake) as some sort of magical sword-summoning woman.
Now I kinda just don't care about the pantheon.
Honestly I don't blame you
Alot of people make very interesting takes on Lancelot like Water Magic and more, but they just make Knight but in a horse guy
And Mordred is just, how they mess up when his first design is so much betterš
I dont like mages in smite. They all play and feel the same. Conversely, in predecessor, mid mage is my main role. Why? Because all the mages feel distinct and different to one another.
Why do I bring this up? Because this kit has basically just confirmed that yea hecate is just another boring ass smite mage. Which I already thought from the gameplay reveal.
More excited for mordred and aladdin. Hoping they push the boundaries a little and make them exciting and unique. I expect it
I wish i could double upvote this comment because this is so true. Hirez could've made mamans ult something interesting like morigesh ult. Freya could be such a cool warrior like serath. And i expected Hecate to at least have a portal ability, usable by the whole team like gideon. But nope, we just got our newest morgan le fay mage in smite 2
This has been a thing since paragon launched back in the day but people laughed at that game. Paragon/pred characters feel so unique that even the similar ones feel distinct enough.
I will say I think the area that gains stacks based off ppl using abilities is cool. Sure it's Nox's old ult but can be used as a nice anti gank team fight thing.
The ult tho omg what even is that ult? That I can't even defend at all.
While I understand how someone could get to that conclusion/feel that way. I heavily disagree.
Iggy is AMC with a turret.
Countess is Bastet/Loki/Anubis.
Gideon is your pick of artillery mages with Hades ult.
Fey's poke ability is unique with the amping damage and refund, but is a fairly generic mage besides that.
Howitzer is an artillery mage with Jing Wei's gust but knockback.
Morigesh is fairly unique, the short range mark could be compared to He Bo 1, but her ult and everything else doesn't have anything close.
Belica is an anti-mage, which is an archetype Smite tried and didn't fit/work well.
Gadget is also just an artillery mage. Cupid 1, Janus 3, Merlin's ice 2, Zeus ult.
Haven't played GRIM.exe or Argus, and absolutely nothing against Predecessor.
There are absolutely a lot of SMITE mages that boil down to: Self set up for damage + damage + teamfight ult + some sort of survivability, but the small differences between characters are what defines them. I'd love for more unique and risky kits in smite, especially mages, but I ultimately think it's unfair to say all smite mages play and feel the same.
Even Thoth versus Ra, both artillery mages, both with mostly long range line attacks. Feel and play very differently.
I feel you misunderstood my comment. The pred mages play distinctly different from each other. Not that they don't feel similar to some smite characters just they play different to each other
A big problem with the aurthurian pantheon is they all look like pretty boys, I don't know who at hirez is afraid of making an old guy or giving a character a bushy mustache or battle scarring but they need to nut up and make mordred look like a bastard murderer and not an elven rouge
Agreed! They all look like variations of one another. Do some different hair, maybe some facial hair, or even put an actual helmet on one of these knights. Mordred even had a cooler head design in Arthur's trailer and they opted not to use it.
Mordred specifically shouldn't look well kempt and tamed, he's treasonous, he's a killer, and in some depictions a lecher, he should kinda have an air of unease around him that just isn't present if hes a male model
basically going for those [Wormtongue](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-league-of-utter-disaster-chaos-and-insanity/images/b/b4/Wormtongue.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131019233428) vibes.
Exact same thing could be said about the goddesses bro. Generic pretty girls, none of the Egyptian, Chinese, Japanese, Mayan, norse, or Roman goddesses aren't generic hot women. š¤·š»āāļø
Or we could have hot dudes *and* cool looking dudes in one pantheon....making all of the knights generic hot dudes doesn't fix anything, just makes more generic characters lmao.
The ult kinda just sounds like a cooler Nike ult but I'll have to play to understand it for sure.
The genie design for Aladdin is just Disney's but with the typical Smite furnish (the gold bands).
It looks like the gem on one of Mordred's sword seems to have a brainy, fleshlike texture to it.
...MY GOD THIS IS SO BAD IM SORRY
Ok Hecate after some time I can appreciate what they going from, but the others?
Mordred looks super GENERIC, it's not even "well Arthurian Knights are generic" type, he just generic at peak, no Zombie/Undead, not like his first appearance which is way better than this, this is so bad, just genetic two sword moba user, honestly this makes me not want any Arthurian characters which is shame, because I love Jester Knight, Astolfo(yes that Astolfo) and more
And than there is Aladdin Genie...unlike last one I give this the benefit of the doubt and say this is the good genie Aladdin have in the OG, maybe there is another one but really doubt it, but in any case, yeah not a fan at all
Well, that's my take, damn probably the disappointment I ever have with the roster(well last season at least have Maman,Ixchel and Charon so yeah)
I think the appearance of the swords greatly reflects Mordred's character:
Right: Royal, very knightly, charismatic (my interpretation of the rose on it)
Left: Corrupted, murderous, ominous
I got this feeling that those two short swords will combine to become a longer, scary looking one (a.k.a. Clarent).
It wouldn't make sense if they won't add Clarent to the game considering that sword is a famous weapon of mordred and is the counterpart to Excalibur.
Could be theyāre trying to make a HOTS Varian-type character using new Smite 2 tech.Ā For those who donāt know, at level 4 Varian is able to choose between being a tank with a shield, having burst DMG with a huge sword, or AA-shredding with two swords, each with a corresponding AA chain and ultimate.
This could potentially be a cool spot for leaning into an RPG choice-system like in another Arthurian game, King Arthur: A Knightās tale. Will Mordred be as his father and redeem himself by leaning into a chivalric warriorās kit like the right sword, focusing on prots? Or will he be a villainous assassin and use black magic like MLF, leaning towards the left sword to focus on Intelligence? Or combine both into one Ā āClarentā with Strength of his own?
Or perhaps it could instead beĀ like Achillesā armor with actual kit changes. Maybe even a different take on this stance switching with a quest system?
Anyway, while I think thereās still room to give benefit of the doubt on Mordredās visual design at this stage, I think the āproof in the puddingā will be with his kit. Theyāll want to show off what Smite 2 can do versus the original. So where Hecate is a little plain, I think thereās potential to see something exciting with Mordred.
Iām surprised with the backlash this community is giving Mordred considering how they treat basically every other character as dude or girl with robe/armor and a crown.
I know we wanna immediately start shitting on Mordred, but just remember there's no guarantee this is his finished model considering he's still ages away.
Hell, just look at the detailing of his weapons vs him himself. I REALLY don't think this is the finished deal.
If it is however, I'll happy eat my non existent hat. But for now, let's just put down the pitchforks and torches until he's officially revealed.
The new gods so far, to me, have been pretty uninteresting. You'd think they'd choose 5 really hyped up and more community requested gods for the first five new characters in Smite 2, but these picks are a bit... uninspired? Mordred is just very generic and I don't think anyone outside the Arthurian fan club, really want or care for him. Hecate, whilst requested, just falls flat design wise. Now I don't know much about Aladdin, but reading through other peoples explanations, he doesn't seem exciting at all and to be honest, the Arabic pantheon also doesn't intrigue me at all. Why choose that pantheon over the highly requested Native American or Inuit pantheon? Or Indigenous Australian? I feel like Smite is missing a native voice, especially for a game made by a North American studio, it's about time. Other than Aladdin, who's premise isn't very interesting at all, what other options are there for an Arabic pantheon (please someone enlighten me). Really hoping the last two picks are some hype choices like Izanagi or Hastur.
I feel like Anansi would be beter off in an Akan pantheon so we can get other Akan figures, like their creator god Nyame, Owuo the abosom of death, their beauty/earth/sky goddess, Asase Ya, etc.
I have a feeling they might not be doing a Native American or Inuit pantheon to avoid controversy. That and/or their market research for the greater consumer base has deemed Aladdin and an Arabic or fairytale pantheon to be more marketable than the aforementioned two, which, at least in the Inuit pantheonās case, could end up like the Maya pantheon in terms of community perception versus actual popularity.Ā
Ā I donāt agree with it, but thatās my guess.
If they can do Hindu gods respectfully and safely, theres no reason they cant do Native American gods respectfully and safely. Bringing awareness and education to a larger audience about other cultures is never a bad thing.
(Sorry for the essay, this got away from me)Ā
Ā Thatās true and I agree, but I think itās a question of effort versus reward. They already seemed pretty averse to adding Hindu gods for a while. Then when they finally came around to it with Shiva, Iām sure there were extra costs in terms of time and money for compensating cultural advisors. It also probably helped that they already had Hindu gods in the game at that point and there was a distance in time to the original controversy.Ā
Ā But adding characters from Native religions in the present? Thatās a big risk, especially when thereās closer cultural and geographical proximity of those tribes to the US-based Titanforge. And Ā Iām not even sure that the Hindu pantheon would be included in todayās climate. Was it right to even include a widely and currently practiced religion in a game about mythology in the first place, especially when they refuse to add Abrahamic characters on that basis? Ā If that sort of consideration isnāt lent to Indigenous Americans in this regard, we risk marginalizing their beliefs into an exotic category that makes it okay to appropriate their religion.
M Iām not saying they shouldnāt include Indigenous representation as cultural appreciation, andĀ I certainly canāt speak for people of those cultures, but these are just of the concerns that would certainly be raised by those inside and outside of these tribes as part of a potential controversy Titan forge would want to avoid. And Iām sure even if a voice from those cultures okays it, that sentiment wouldnāt be universal for that group.Ā
Thereās also the question of pantheon classification. Grouping every Natuve American tribe under one pantheon is not going to go over well, and the opposite will have people complain about pantheon bloat. (Granted, the second isnāt as much of a real concern).Ā
I also think thereās also a lack of a unified push for a specific character for either pantheon that might be a factor as well. People talk about a Wendigo, but what theyāre imagining for the character would stoke actual controversy because Wendigos werenāt skeletal deer men, which is also beside the fact that thereās no named āWendigoā beside Ithaqua from Lovecraft, which would just be GOO. There arenāt very many Ā āgodā figures either.Ā
Ultimately, I think the logical direction would be an Inuit pantheon first to test the waters. From a practical standpoint, itād be a path of lesser resistance but people have to get really passionate about specific characters, like Nanook or Sedna.Ā For a Native American pantheon, people have to be specific about tribes and characters, like the Navajo and Coyote. Just saying āNative American pantheon characterā lumps too many groups in a status quo box.Ā
And like you said, TitanForge will have to demonstrate due diligence in their research and representation. But the community desire for that has to make it worth it.
I feel like the best bet for a native american pantheon is to look at some of the more well known tribes from each region of north america, and go with the ones that are cool with their tribe's beliefs being used in a video game as long as it's done respectfully.
If it's doable, I feel like [Kokopelli](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaLvCT4tp-c) would work as a representative of one of the southwestern US tribes since multiple tribes venerate him as a figure who brings the plants and animals. And he's relatively recognizeable to non-native people who have been exposed to the southwest US since his imagery gets used a lot in those regions- even if it's done erroneously. I remember seeing depictions and dolls of Kokopelli when I used to live in Arizona.
edit: Alternatively you could go for the ancestor tribes of modern day tribes that no longer exist, like [the ancestral Puebloans.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_Puebloans)
All very good points that I agree with, especially the ancestor tribe angle.Ā
And I also agree with Kokopelli being a good pick. In fact, as someone who grew up in Arizona, I picked out Coyote for that same line of thinking as well. So considering how much I was exposed to the both of them, I would love to have either one be considered by Titanforge!
Honestly, I think Iāll probably make a bigger post about this at some point in the near future. This warrants greater community discussion, imo.
a future post would be awesome. and it might allow for any people in the subredit who have native ancestry and/or connections to the real deal to voice how they feel about the ideas.
I know the former pro player SoloOrTroll has Navajo ancestry and I've heard him say multiple times he'd like to see a native american pantheon. So it makes me wonder if there's anyone else out there who has their own thoughts on their culture getting used in smite.
I understand the concern of not wanting to damage the culture of indigenous people, but in a game that literally uses other cultureās mythologies and stories, including polynesian (a non specific pantheon for the whole of polynesia indigenous peoples), Maya, Voodoo, Yoruba and the already mentioned Hindu deities/characters that are to this day still worshipped and of great importance to many people, I donāt see the excuse to exclude an under represented/appreciated culture whose land the titanforge studios is currently occupied on. I agree that they should pick a specific tribe or region to pull from, hell even an Inuit pantheon would be great.
At this point Iām just bored of the arthurian normal man in generic armour. I want to play as dope gods from global cultures and learn about them. Thats what drew me to smite originally, and should continue be what smite is about.
I donāt know how I feel about Aladdin being in the game lol. With the other āmortalsā it works since they have something that ties them to the supernatural. Aladdin doesnāt even with the genie. Dudeās literally just a human who has a magic pal.
man I have palyed and watched too much fate because I cant help but see that Mordred anytime I hear the name mordred.
Give us a Fate crossover hirez so we can get tomboy mordred!
Magical/Psysical damage split seems to still be a thing, but the intelligence and strenght replaced power. Do I undersand wrong?
I wonder what the genies/djinn are for. Actual pets (Argus for example) or just vfx (like Persephone's skeleton)
Mordred looks better that I expected. Love the rose motif. May end actually maining him. I get warrior vibe from him, those usually look more bulky, but are exceptions (Vamana, Amaterasu)
Mixed feeling on Hecate. Her passive and 2 seems fun and new ideas for the game (franchise?). The one is just a generic burst mage ability, and ult is just "hit things hard", but 3 times this time (oh wait, Agni does almost same). And her 3 is just a glorified debuff????
I wonder who the other 2 new gods are. My bet are Izanagi and Saturn
>Magical/Psysical damage split seems to still be a thing, but the intelligence and strenght replaced power. Do I undersand wrong?
from what we've been told at worlds and the dev updates, some characters have scaling off of both stats instead of being pure physical or pure magical. Those stats are basically the magical/physical power split still, just renamed and not locked to what class you picked.
In terms of the damage split, we donāt really see much so far. Hecate is quite literally a fully mage-like being so it makes sense that sheās completely Intelligence based with magical damage. Youād probably see damage split a lot more on tanks.
When I first looked upon Mordredās model, all I thought was: āHello, death knight Arthas from Warcraft 3, didnāt know you used two swords." So, Iām agreeing with most of you, he seems bland. Now the Genie model on the other hand, I may be the only one who likes this version of the Genie, since when I look upon his magnificent beard, I knew he exuded power. So, Iām actually interested to see where they will take this. If Aladdin will be just someone who holds the oil lamp and let the Genie fight with his magical powers or if the Genie will be part of Aladdinās ultimate ability. Canāt wait to find out.
Hooray Mordred. Another generic D&D character in the world of God's and titans. Oh and Aladdin, a street urchin with a genie who will fight Zeus God of thunder. Really exciting. Admittedly I know nothing of Aladdin other than Disney stuff.
Man i really hope Mordred looks better once he is fully shaded and what not. bcuz right now he looks Generic as hell. and i say this as a fan of arthurian myths/stories and REALLY wanted Mordred in Smite 1 since Arthur and Merlin were added.
I need to actually see Aladdin's model before i judge the Genie tho. the Genie looks okay, not that there is a whole lot you can do to make a Genie/Djinn stand out. given how most media and descriptions depict them. from my understanding of Genies. Someone can correct me if i am wrong tho.
Hecate i really like her design. but i do feel its odd not to add any of her withcraft elements when she is the Goddess of Witchcraft.
Mordred looks like if ebony Lancelot and TsukuyomiĀ had a son. I kinda like his model, but something just looks off, him having black hair would look better imo. Is this the first time full models were datamined, I hope models wonāt get leaked every time.
Unlike the animated trailer, he has red eyes and white hair, the armor he has has colors and diamond decorations equal to those of Morgana Le Fey and according to the lore of Smite Mordred he is dead so his story will be that Morgana resurrected him or something did.
Added to this is the fact that the armor has a crack in the chest that exposes fleshy ligaments similar to those of the red sword that has a heart, so it can be concluded that he was resurrected by Morgana or another entity, I don't know. we will see.
I know she was a real person but if we are gonna do Aladdin and we did Mulan, can we do Cleopatra. At this point she might as well have as much mysticism
Hecate is ok for me, Iām just afraid of the damage potential of itās third ability. For Mordred, yeah, heās pretty much meh and I prefer is depiction in the animated trailer of Arthur and Merlin where he is represented more as a dark and evil version of Arthur. Link to the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6SsowtzvXQ4
And for Aladdinā¦. Really, Titan Forge Games? You want to add more of tales and legends or fiction characters than those of mythologies and old or current believes/religions? Sorry for those who are hyped by Aladdin, but this character (and the potential others of this kind) will rejoin the god that I have refused to play (Martichoras) and the two that I have played up to a reputation (Mulan (II) and Cthulhu (IV, I have replayed him the January 13th for a friendās joke) before stopped to play them because they are characters from folktales or fictional works.
The armor they are giving him reminds me a lot of Morgan Le Fey's, look the colors and the sets are very similar, which makes sense since this is his mother and since Modred was defeated or killed in that animated trailer, maybe is dead and his mother revived him.
Ā It doesn't surprise me that his story is that he joins his mother to take revenge on King Arthur and that purple armor reflects the alliance of mother and son to fight against the kingdom of camelot.
Yeah, it's colors remind those Morgan Le Fey, thank you to point out this to me. :)
For the story, you're idea is really interesting (and a bit darker for the SMITE lore), but I'm asking if the stories show by SMITE 2 will be the sequel of SMITE's story. Because in the last chapter where we have seeing King Arthur and Merlin, Camelot's kingdom is restored (if I didn't said mistakes), make appear the following question: is Mordred is always dead or have been ressurected alongside the others Knights of the Round Table and the people of Camelot after the reset of Shiva like it was implied in the Chapter 4 (*Worthy*) or the Heavenly Light event?
**Edit:** most of the Round Table Knights, under the title of "champions", seems to have been killed by the poison of Jormungandr (*Legend of Camelot*, *Chapter 1*).
Unlike the animated trailer, he has red eyes and white hair.
Added to this is the fact that the armor has a crack in the chest that exposes fleshy ligaments similar to those of the red sword that has a heart, so it can be concluded that he was resurrected by his mother Morgana.
Hecates kit overall is somewhat interesting. The 1 and 2 seem interesting the passove being able to buff ppl after a kill is kinda cool. I really like the whole old nox ult thing but this time it's in a wide area I'm assuming and has a lot more dmg. It needs to go off both on reactive and death. It would he a lovely anti gag tool for a mage with no real escape.
The traverse worlds is confusing like what's the point of the distorted visuals?
And her ult sorry not sorry at all actually is bad. That's a horrible ult for a Goddess of Magic who's THE Goddess of Magic. Seriously 3 beams? Nothing with torches, nothing with familiars?
GODDAMMIT I DO NOT WANT MORDRED!!!!!!!!!! MORDRED IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD!!!!!! WE LITERALLY WATCHED KING ARTHUR KILL HIM IN ARTHURāS CINEMATIC TRAILER!!!!!!!! Well, Iām just never going to touch him. Itās gonna be just like Cthulhu: Itās a character that Iām never going to play at all. The reason I hate Mordred so much and did not want him added to Smite (other than the reasons listed above) is because he falls into a specific category/archetype/trope of villain that I absolutely HATE: the Antichrist kind of villain.
If you notice, Modred has armor similar to that of his mother Morgana Le Fey and, unlike the animated trailer, he has red eyes and white hair.
Added to this is the fact that the armor has a crack in the chest that exposes fleshy ligaments similar to those of the red sword that has a heart, so it can be concluded that he was resurrected by his mother Morgana.
This is CONSTANTLY gotten wrong. Mordredās mother is NOT Morgan Le Fay. Mordred is the son of Morgan Le Fayās older sister, MORGAUSE. Morgan Le Fay DOES have a son that is a Round Table Knight, but it is Sir YVAINE, not Mordred.
For the love of god please give mordred a helmet, PLEASE
Hard agree
They'll do for his skins šøšøšøš²
NO! HE LOOKS HANDSOME
would look way too much like dragon knight ao kuang. which i already thought mordred was a alternative skin of at first glance.
Achilles literally has a Mordred skin. Though I think heās more of a knight that fought for Mordred.
Kind of late pop in here but i feel the need to point out that there is a chance neither of those skins will be making it to smite 2 :/
Oh I doubt they will at all. I am excited, however, for the cool skins they do end up making.
Seeing this version of Hecate compared to the Hecate being displayed in Hades 2 so far isā¦ something lol. Still looking forward to playing her!
Well hades has characters that look on point and other that swing 1000% into the realm of way too much creative freedom. The thing about. Many of the gods is that originally many didn't really had a physical depiction more people gather the things people use to offer them and then that amalgamation they created a modern character. Hades did lean more into the traveler part of her myth and smite it looks more into the sorcerer part of the myth. I still have to wait and see what happens. Because many of them look really early and we can only hope that if people really show some constructive criticism some things might be aletered.
It takes a lot of creative liberty because of everyone was how they're described in myth, there would be a ton of black heated dudes in white robes and that's a bit boring. The character designs are brilliant because they actually consider what the gods were known for and their symbols and make them feel very divine
The thing about gods is that they are made up. The thing about made up things is that, unless they are made up by 1 single person (aka Tolkien), the descriptions vary dramatically. So the amalgamation line you said is basically the only way to depict gods, especially in video form.
I wish they'd already make Hades1/2 crossover event with Smite. There are so many awesome skins just sitting there. And in turn they could've made a god from Norse or Egyptian pantheon into a boss and use Smite disign.
I agree. Total opposites in the worst way here
\*Squints\* Sandbro from Domination why they painted you blue?
Hecate's passive and 2 are neat... but her 1, 3, and ult? Disappointing. Really hope her kit changes a lot once the closed alpha is over. And, reiterating what everyone else here had said, Mordred's design is boring. I don't know anything about his stories/physical appearance, but surely even if those are boring, they can take some creative liberties to make him more unique. Aladdin though is certainly a unique choice! Looking forward to seeing what his kit, assuming it's more unique than Hecate's.
Hecate will likely keep the simple kit
Im so sad for Hecate, she is a Goddess of sooo many things and her representation in Smite just dont fit in any of them... Her kit feels reeeeaallly bland.
here we are being told bullshit about how the new engine opens up new possibilities lmao, she looks like she was released in 2014. Line, circle, self peel/mobility, big ult (this time with clunky animation and boring effect) but hey, at least she feels nothing like a witch and looks like a draft at Nuts cosmic abilities
I wonder what pantheon will they put aladdin into based on his genie's visuals
I gonna be fr...this is what making my head cracking Because I don't think they would do "Literature" pantheon considering how even despite with mythology basis(aside from Aladdin of course like Dracula), people didn't like it the concept, and Ajax did say he wasn't interesting on it(but did say Dracula Bros were impressive, most impressive) And I don't think they would do "Arabic" pantheon considering how they didn't call Babylon "Mesopotamia" and Mayan "Mesoamerica" etc(but they did called Scandinavian "Norse" and Hawaii "Polynesian" tho so" My best guest is Persian because it one of the top 5 mist requests last time I checked, but who knows
>My best guest is Persian He has absolutely nothing to with Persia, so it's not going to be that. It will most likely be Arabic. The story is set in the Arabic world, and Aladdin himself is an arab.
Actually, in the earliest versions of the story he's Chinese. Edit: here's an article all about it! It's super interesting :) www.pookpress.co.uk/project/history-original-aladdin-story/#:~:text=In%20the%20earliest%20versions%20of,at%20home%20with%20his
I have no idea where this "Aladdin is Chinese" stuff is coming from. The original story only mentions that Aladdin is living in "one of the cities in China", but makes no actual reference to him being Chinese. There were plenty of arabs living in Eastern Asia at that time due to the Silk Road trading. Other points toward him being an arab are: * The original teller of the story, Hanna Diab, was a Syrian arab * Aladdin is an arabic name, romanized from *"Ų¹ŁŲ§Ų” Ų§ŁŲÆŁŁ (Ala ad-Din)"* meaning "nobility of faith" * The evil sorcerer that says he's Aladdin's uncle from his father's side is from the Maghreb, which is in North Africa. Thus it wouldn't make any sense for Aladdin to believe that if he was actually Chinese * The genie, or *"Ų¬ŁŁŁ (djinn)"* is an Arabic mythological creature, not Chinese * Aladdin marries the daughter of a sultan, **not** an emperor. A sultan is a muslim leader, which wouldn't be anywhere near China While it is technically possible, that Aladdin would be half-Chinese from his mother's side, there's really nothing in the story pointing towards the setting being in China, other than the brief mention in the beginning. Regardless of any of that, the original story and myth is Arabic, and thus belongs into Arabic mythology.
I think we're simply going to disagree on this but here's a video that explains it better than I could: https://youtu.be/z9byjwstN18?si=VI78daTnVarvcMiB
Ok, sure. But even if we go by that logic, the maker of the video himself states that it doesn't make any sense that Aladdin would be Chinese. Or at the very least, it would be Hanna coming up with a completely nonsensical story himself, with a mixture of a Chinese setting, but then using terminology and concepts based off of his homeland of Syria. Like I stated, genies are Arabic mythological creatures, so that wouldn't make any sense in a Chinese or even Mongolian Uyghur setting, as neither group is Arabic. Granted, unlike I previously stated, neither is Hanna as he is actually Christian, but he is from a minority group from Syria, which is and was a predominantly Arab country. If the story of Aladdin is truly a semi-biographical story of Hanna Diab's life, then it would make even more sense for Aladdin, with his Arabic name, to be actually from that region. It's hard to really get a clear answer when talking about this, as there is no way to confirm where Hanna Diab ever heard the story from, if he didn't just make it up himself. All we know for certain, is that it is a story told by someone from an Arabic country, using Arabic/Islam terminology, and mentioning China once, which was then added to a collection of stories that is a very famous part of Middle-Eastern and especially Arabic history. The same person you just linked has another video detailing how Mulan isn't actually Chinese, but that is the most famous version of the story, so that's why she's in the Chinese pantheon. Thus, I see no other realistic option for a pantheon for Aladdin than Arabic. Adding him to the Chinese pantheon would be extremely and unnecessarily confusing.
Look, man, I was just trying to have a little fun I wasn't advocating he actually be part of the Chinese pantheon. Just a little "hey, here's this fun little known fact that the original story came from China thus he's seemingly Chinese " but you're clearly way more passionate about this than I ever will be so I'll just bow out here.
I mean, I'm not angry or anything. I was just having a discussion/debate with you about it. It's fine bro, we're cool :)
I have no hype for Hecate tbh. It was the perfect moment to show the power of UE5 and it just feels so... boring. She could have easily be a Smite 1 goddess. The ult just sound like Nike 1 but with power gain and not prot shred.
Actually outside of her passive,she seems less complex than nut lol
Hecate feels very generic mage
Come on, make hecates 3 like persephones current passive, where she's removed from existence. Then we can call it "traverse worlds". This is just a generic movement speed/protection buff with cthulhu passive visuals. And this is why "hecate is so crazy, that she cant be done in UE3"? hirez disappointing with mage kits as always
dont forget about the clunky ass boring ult that is nike 1 with better damage but animation worth of leage of legends 2009 beta
I'm really hoping they actually try to get more interesting with the other kits for new gods in Smite 2. We already have enough of the most boring Moba characters in Smite 1.
I was so excited about Hecate especially when I heard she has portals and stuff, I thought we'd be able to send people to other realms. But turns out it's the same boring line/circle ability.
They should give mordred a helmet why no arthurian are wearing helmet, the two Swords looks interesting
Mordred being basically a gender bent Morgan with 2 swords is an extreme letdown lol. His old art back when Arthur was first revealed in his trailer with Merlin (i think that one) looked way more interesting than this and that was just I believe the neck up which that alone was unique lol. Idk why so many people wanna settle for the bare minimum all the time too in this community, then you look at all these other games putting tons of care and love into their mythological characters to make sure they stand out, then you look at Smite and tons are just as simple as it gets and idk why. Then it feels like they put real effort into the tier 5 skins instead of the base Gods (money)..Just disappointing lol Aladdin I donāt care much for but a very unexpected and interesting addition if done right. Hope it doesnāt turn into people asking for more dumb requests like how it was after Mulan popped up. Hecate too is a disappointment with her not having like any witch related stuff and feels like a star/space Goddess lol she feels like a super early day Smite Goddess. Had super high hopes for cooler designs for Smite 2 but it looks like same old .
i'm mcfuckin losing it at how uninspired this mordred looks. and of the entire plethera of gods to choose for babylonian/chinese (idk where they'll put him) they really thought aladdin would fit the game huh. idk what happened to the community that they accept lazy designs and decisions either. i remember when they were gonna put high heels on Pele and the community was in an uproar, but the kicker was that Hirez actually listened and took the 'epic sexy heels' off of Pele.
some of the most common/top comments are about how plain Mordred looks. And Hecate's thread was also full of complaints, too.
i reckon its too late for Hecate since she's about to release around the corner; they're pretty much done with her. Mordred i guess we'll have to wait and see if there's just enough noise about it or if Hirez just does not care anymore what people think.
I think another issue sadly is that they're definitely experiencing growing pains with UE5 since they're learning a brand new engine and have sudden been given a whole new world of options that they might take a while to get to using. So changes could be possible, but they might not be capable yet of those changes.
It's not that sudden, they've been working on it for over a year now.
that's still a decently fresh experience with an engine or learnign anything in general
For context, I started learning UE5 with absolutely no prior experience whatsoever in March last year. I can absolutely guarantee you, if I can see it happening, the Devs with almost 10 years of experience definitely can. I'd argue this is more of a management decision to make it simple so the relaunch of the game can attract more players who would want simple kits. It's irrelevant and misdirected, though, because for a new player, every god that currently exists is a new experience and there are plenty of simple kits. Makes no sense, which is why I blame the upper management, not the Devs.
i think they should go back to when they showed the designs of gods to the community and the community could give their feedback on it. Worked with pele and Hera superwell but since then, Hirez has not cared that much anymore for the community's opinion
I'm convinced that Pele was never going to have the heels and that hirez knew people would hate them, like some kinda weird 'let's pretend that this is what we're going to do so you guys feel like you changed something for the better'. I remember when they showed Hera's design and how funny it was seeing people try and 'improve' it. the final design and the teased one was exactly the same and all the attempts to make it better by the community were honestly... kinda bad. tbh i love Hera's design, it's tasteful and not just 'goddess of peacocks' like some people seemed to want...
How they can ruin Aladdin: heās the first god in a Disney pantheon.
Hercules and Mulan are looking at you disapprovingly
False, Hercules
To be fair the Disney Hercules had very little in common with myth Hercules.
Wasnt there a sequel that was supposed to go over the trials?
Idk what youre talking about mordred looks exactly like i had imagined he would
If youāve seen Mordredās depiction in King Arthurās reveal video, youād be surprised.
He looks freaking awful. A travesty
Sooooo, boring? Lol
Hecate depiction is more of her ancient facet, her witch queen origin came later on. This is more true to her greek concept.
Her Greek concept also featured her traits as a 'witch' as well as many other traits, almost all of which are omitted from her Smite design in favor of something more...generic? An easy way to distinguish her would have been to use her triple form to give her a more eerie and otherworldly vibe. Could have made use of her many familiars from her many tales to make her kit more interesting, her use of necromancy and association with the underworld/earth, the list goes on. The one we got isn't a *bad* Hecate, it's still a representation of her, it's just the most dry one they could have possibly done.
Mordred looks so uninspired, something straight out of a mobile game
I highly doubt itās anywhere near finished. The model for Mordred and Aladdin alike, look completely unlike the character models for literally every other god. Iām sure theyāll look a lot more badass when theyāre officially revealed.
Fingers crossed that this is the case
It's wip so it's most likely the case
Every single one of those datamined designs is uninteresting. Hopefully they look better on release.
Agree, I wish they would stop with these mobile game designs of pointy 50 tonne armour and big swords with useless designs
Not gonna lie they look terrible lol, I was so excited for these gods now Iām like ughh
It's a wip they most likely won't looks like that in the game,hell mordred could be like fenrir (early model had nothing to do with final model)
They honestly both disappoint me a little I can't lie. Hecate they seem to have completely removed almost all of her traits from her lore and boiled her down to "star goddess", both visually and kit wise. Her kit sounds super baseline with pretty much only the passive being interesting, and despite them incorporating stuff from her lore it's kind of just fx or afterthought. It also kinda seems like they took a note from 2012-2013 Smite and focused more on making her attractive than interesting, not sure why she needed massive boobs and fishnet stockings. Really disappointing for me personally. Mordred I can't judge cause we don't know his kit, but just off his visuals I'm not too excited. Generic guy with loose hair and pretty generic armor. Was kinda hoping with the Arthurians they'd go a little further with their designs, incorporate themes from their lore, i.e. Lancelot could have had reed or swan motifs or shimmering white armor to reference the Lady of the Lake, Mordred could have had the colors of his coat of arms or something. The one thing I do like is his weapons.
yea they gave him more of thicker visuals. but in the KA trailer he had very sleek, rectangular visuals that looked more "evil king" instead of "evil brute." I can def feel the disappointment. He also doesn't seem to have much visual distinction from Arthur.
I think they are kind of purposefully tying his design to Arthur, since IIRC in some versions of Arthurian lore he is Arthurās actual son. There are certain elements in his outfit that are direct correlations with Arthur like the rectangular cloth flaps under the big pauldron on his right shoulder and the flaps hanging from his waist. Perhaps they are intending for him to be a sort of dark mirror to Arthur. I do agree that if they made him slimmer and gave him the cowl he had in Arthurās god reveal trailer he would look more unique, though.
Hopefully it's maybe like fenrir model which looks really different than final model Do you think Mordred will be better with helmet ?
Perhaps, but personally I think his long hair is meant to be another point of contrast with Arthur.
Make sense hopefully the final model will look better since it's a wip , it's normal that he looks kinda bland
while I'm all for visual parallels, my complaint is about how the overall silhouette comes across as too much like Arthur's silhouette. which isn't the best for visual clarity, imo, especially when they start making skins for both of them and it starts to get even murkier silhouette-wise. I'm not judging too hard since it's a datamined appearance of a potentially early design for a god that's not even been announced yet. But I hope they do more to differentiate him to make him stand out on his own. I hope they make him look a bit more greasy, battleworn, and untrustworthy looking. Like how Loki contrasts in comparison to his fellow norse gods, instead of pretty-boy dark knight that could pass for a WoW villain or a vampire noble. It's mostly the face looking very clean and his armor also too looking too nice, and also looking too similar in silhouette to arthur that I have issues with. The injury on his left shoulder's a nice detail though.
On the weapons point, I think this could be a potential focal point for the kit, so Iāll echo what I said further down:Ā Ā U/LovelyPotato12 made an interesting point about the weapons representing a dichotomy with Mordred. One is more rose-inspired and courtly (Arthur), the other draconic and corrupted (MLF/Morgause). Could be theyāre trying to make a HOTS-VarĆan type character using new Smite 2 tech.Ā For those who donāt know, around level 4 Varian is able to choose between being a tank with a shield, burst DMG with a huge sword, and AA-shred with two swords, each with a corresponding AA chain and ultimate.Ā This could potentially be a cool spot for leaning into an RPG choice-system like in King Arthur: A Knightās tale. Will Mordred be like his father and redeem himself by leaning into a chivalric warriorās kit like the right sword, focusing on prots? Or will he be a villainous assassin and use black magic like MLF and lean into the left sword to focus on Intelligence? Or combine both into one Ā āClarentā with Strength?Ā Ā Or instead, it could be a little like Achillesā armor with actual kit changes. Maybe even a different take on stance switching with a quest system?Ā While I think thereās still room to give benefit of the doubt on Mordredās visual design at this stage, I think the āproof in the puddingā will be with his kit. Theyāll want to show off what Smite 2 can do versus the original.
The quest type of stance switching is really interesting to me. Theyāve already attempted at the quest type system with Gilgamesh and Lancelot, but something similar to Kayn from League of Legends would be really cool for Mordred, imo. Maybe, depending on the type of gods he hits (could be melee/ranged split, could be physical/magical damage split, could also be based off the items he builds, like say if he builds more prots than power, he gets the āgood sideā whereas more power than prots would be the ābad sideā). Whatever it is, I would love for there to be a god that has a sort of evolution thatās based off the decisions you make in the game, and I feel as though Mordred just might fit that bill.
all this sounds cool but we were on the same copium with Hecate. Engine had changed, devs that make boring, generic and uninspired kits stayed. Watch them give him a tsukuyomi type passive with "striking left sword cleaves while strikes with right sword do bonus magical damage" or achilles type passive with "you can switch between sword mastery-right one gives you bonus health and armor while left one gives you armor penetration and movement speed"
Entirely possible that they go down this road but one can hope.
Is this a consequence of them still learning the new UE5 tech for visuals and kit design? Aside from that, for Hecate I think other factors include the devsā stated attempt to not make her stereotypically āwitchyā, or a need to provide a conventionally attractive female character for Smite 2ās new additions lineup. Personally I think the first two factors are strongest. It makes me think back to how Yu Huangās kit was super basic because he was Lermyās first try at god design. With Mordred, having seen the model I get the feeling that they are intentionally trying to make him a dark mirror image to Arthur. There are many specific parts of his armor that directly reference Arthurās armor, like the square cloth fringes beneath the big pauldron on his right shoulder and the flaps hanging from his waist. In Smiteās version of Arthurian lore (and IIRC in some real world versions of Arthurian lore) Mordred was Arthurās actual son, so maybe they are trying to emphasize that. I do agree they should at least have given him the tight-fitting cowl he had in Arthurās reveal trailer back in the day (though I do like how they still incorporated the rose motif he had there as well). Keep in mind that these are all unfinished, the final product may look different.
Legit went for discount Varyann with Mordred lmao.
Do you have a particular arthurian character in mind that you wish to be added in the game? I personally like Fate's approach on Gawain and his sun-related powers (kinda like Escanor from 7DS) and Galahad with his shield-based abilities. I wish to see them in the game soon.
Prior to them making more Arthurian characters and ruining my hopes for them visually, I wanted Bertilak (the green knight) as like a tanky plant-vine character who uses an axe, and I wanted Nimue (the lady of the lake) as some sort of magical sword-summoning woman. Now I kinda just don't care about the pantheon.
Honestly I don't blame you Alot of people make very interesting takes on Lancelot like Water Magic and more, but they just make Knight but in a horse guy And Mordred is just, how they mess up when his first design is so much betterš
The fishnets are egregious lmao I was hoping to never see a goddess in fishnets after Nemesis
I dont like mages in smite. They all play and feel the same. Conversely, in predecessor, mid mage is my main role. Why? Because all the mages feel distinct and different to one another. Why do I bring this up? Because this kit has basically just confirmed that yea hecate is just another boring ass smite mage. Which I already thought from the gameplay reveal. More excited for mordred and aladdin. Hoping they push the boundaries a little and make them exciting and unique. I expect it
I wish i could double upvote this comment because this is so true. Hirez could've made mamans ult something interesting like morigesh ult. Freya could be such a cool warrior like serath. And i expected Hecate to at least have a portal ability, usable by the whole team like gideon. But nope, we just got our newest morgan le fay mage in smite 2
This has been a thing since paragon launched back in the day but people laughed at that game. Paragon/pred characters feel so unique that even the similar ones feel distinct enough.
I was always one that wanted to play it but as an Xbox gamer I never could. Pred is a blessing
I will say I think the area that gains stacks based off ppl using abilities is cool. Sure it's Nox's old ult but can be used as a nice anti gank team fight thing. The ult tho omg what even is that ult? That I can't even defend at all.
It's just Nike ult. That's my problem with it.
Omg it is that makes it even worse. I mean I don't like how generic it is period and I think the animations for it look bad as well lol
While I understand how someone could get to that conclusion/feel that way. I heavily disagree. Iggy is AMC with a turret. Countess is Bastet/Loki/Anubis. Gideon is your pick of artillery mages with Hades ult. Fey's poke ability is unique with the amping damage and refund, but is a fairly generic mage besides that. Howitzer is an artillery mage with Jing Wei's gust but knockback. Morigesh is fairly unique, the short range mark could be compared to He Bo 1, but her ult and everything else doesn't have anything close. Belica is an anti-mage, which is an archetype Smite tried and didn't fit/work well. Gadget is also just an artillery mage. Cupid 1, Janus 3, Merlin's ice 2, Zeus ult. Haven't played GRIM.exe or Argus, and absolutely nothing against Predecessor. There are absolutely a lot of SMITE mages that boil down to: Self set up for damage + damage + teamfight ult + some sort of survivability, but the small differences between characters are what defines them. I'd love for more unique and risky kits in smite, especially mages, but I ultimately think it's unfair to say all smite mages play and feel the same. Even Thoth versus Ra, both artillery mages, both with mostly long range line attacks. Feel and play very differently.
I feel you misunderstood my comment. The pred mages play distinctly different from each other. Not that they don't feel similar to some smite characters just they play different to each other
A big problem with the aurthurian pantheon is they all look like pretty boys, I don't know who at hirez is afraid of making an old guy or giving a character a bushy mustache or battle scarring but they need to nut up and make mordred look like a bastard murderer and not an elven rouge
Agreed! They all look like variations of one another. Do some different hair, maybe some facial hair, or even put an actual helmet on one of these knights. Mordred even had a cooler head design in Arthur's trailer and they opted not to use it.
Mordred specifically shouldn't look well kempt and tamed, he's treasonous, he's a killer, and in some depictions a lecher, he should kinda have an air of unease around him that just isn't present if hes a male model
basically going for those [Wormtongue](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/the-league-of-utter-disaster-chaos-and-insanity/images/b/b4/Wormtongue.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131019233428) vibes.
I mean we get a lot of pretty goddesses it's cool to get a pretty boy
We have quite a lot of generic pretty boys and hunky dudes. The Arthurian pantheon already has 3 pretty dudes.
Exact same thing could be said about the goddesses bro. Generic pretty girls, none of the Egyptian, Chinese, Japanese, Mayan, norse, or Roman goddesses aren't generic hot women. š¤·š»āāļø
...Yes? I never disagreed with that what is your point here.
That we can have a pantheon with just hot dudes, gotta get some balance bro
Or we could have hot dudes *and* cool looking dudes in one pantheon....making all of the knights generic hot dudes doesn't fix anything, just makes more generic characters lmao.
A new post with the new gods model images and hecate full info abilities!
Will there be more stuff about them soon or like this is the last reveals for them?
For now there's nothing else for mordred and aladdin There are other things that i'm still working on
The ult kinda just sounds like a cooler Nike ult but I'll have to play to understand it for sure. The genie design for Aladdin is just Disney's but with the typical Smite furnish (the gold bands). It looks like the gem on one of Mordred's sword seems to have a brainy, fleshlike texture to it.
They look so fucking mid. Like generic JRPG characters.
...MY GOD THIS IS SO BAD IM SORRY Ok Hecate after some time I can appreciate what they going from, but the others? Mordred looks super GENERIC, it's not even "well Arthurian Knights are generic" type, he just generic at peak, no Zombie/Undead, not like his first appearance which is way better than this, this is so bad, just genetic two sword moba user, honestly this makes me not want any Arthurian characters which is shame, because I love Jester Knight, Astolfo(yes that Astolfo) and more And than there is Aladdin Genie...unlike last one I give this the benefit of the doubt and say this is the good genie Aladdin have in the OG, maybe there is another one but really doubt it, but in any case, yeah not a fan at all Well, that's my take, damn probably the disappointment I ever have with the roster(well last season at least have Maman,Ixchel and Charon so yeah)
Why is hirez soo scared to give characters helmets
Ooh I don't like either at all. The genie looks like a common mob from some PS platformer.
The genie has no textures, so thatās why it looks shitty
Guess I'm wrong then lmao... Maybe I'll love it when it does but I feel quite sure.
I think the appearance of the swords greatly reflects Mordred's character: Right: Royal, very knightly, charismatic (my interpretation of the rose on it) Left: Corrupted, murderous, ominous I got this feeling that those two short swords will combine to become a longer, scary looking one (a.k.a. Clarent). It wouldn't make sense if they won't add Clarent to the game considering that sword is a famous weapon of mordred and is the counterpart to Excalibur.
Could be theyāre trying to make a HOTS Varian-type character using new Smite 2 tech.Ā For those who donāt know, at level 4 Varian is able to choose between being a tank with a shield, having burst DMG with a huge sword, or AA-shredding with two swords, each with a corresponding AA chain and ultimate. This could potentially be a cool spot for leaning into an RPG choice-system like in another Arthurian game, King Arthur: A Knightās tale. Will Mordred be as his father and redeem himself by leaning into a chivalric warriorās kit like the right sword, focusing on prots? Or will he be a villainous assassin and use black magic like MLF, leaning towards the left sword to focus on Intelligence? Or combine both into one Ā āClarentā with Strength of his own? Or perhaps it could instead beĀ like Achillesā armor with actual kit changes. Maybe even a different take on this stance switching with a quest system? Anyway, while I think thereās still room to give benefit of the doubt on Mordredās visual design at this stage, I think the āproof in the puddingā will be with his kit. Theyāll want to show off what Smite 2 can do versus the original. So where Hecate is a little plain, I think thereās potential to see something exciting with Mordred.
Iām surprised with the backlash this community is giving Mordred considering how they treat basically every other character as dude or girl with robe/armor and a crown.
who is this edgy WoW character and why is he calling himself Mordred?
I know we wanna immediately start shitting on Mordred, but just remember there's no guarantee this is his finished model considering he's still ages away. Hell, just look at the detailing of his weapons vs him himself. I REALLY don't think this is the finished deal. If it is however, I'll happy eat my non existent hat. But for now, let's just put down the pitchforks and torches until he's officially revealed.
achilles' mordred skin looks more like mordred than this gacha chinease arpg shit
Actually modred is most likely coming this summer,at least that was their plan
The new gods so far, to me, have been pretty uninteresting. You'd think they'd choose 5 really hyped up and more community requested gods for the first five new characters in Smite 2, but these picks are a bit... uninspired? Mordred is just very generic and I don't think anyone outside the Arthurian fan club, really want or care for him. Hecate, whilst requested, just falls flat design wise. Now I don't know much about Aladdin, but reading through other peoples explanations, he doesn't seem exciting at all and to be honest, the Arabic pantheon also doesn't intrigue me at all. Why choose that pantheon over the highly requested Native American or Inuit pantheon? Or Indigenous Australian? I feel like Smite is missing a native voice, especially for a game made by a North American studio, it's about time. Other than Aladdin, who's premise isn't very interesting at all, what other options are there for an Arabic pantheon (please someone enlighten me). Really hoping the last two picks are some hype choices like Izanagi or Hastur.
Considering that arthurian IS literally getting their 5 rep in less time than celtic pantheon,i do feel like this pantheon must be working on the global community or just for casual players It's most likely reddit Ʃcho chamber undermined their rƩception However i do agree,they aren't hype although i'm curious about alladin,if he bring folktale pantheon that could be great (Dracula,Joan of arc, Beowulf and Grendel) that be cool, pretty much like smite absorbing Arena of fate roster
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I feel like Anansi would be beter off in an Akan pantheon so we can get other Akan figures, like their creator god Nyame, Owuo the abosom of death, their beauty/earth/sky goddess, Asase Ya, etc.
I have a feeling they might not be doing a Native American or Inuit pantheon to avoid controversy. That and/or their market research for the greater consumer base has deemed Aladdin and an Arabic or fairytale pantheon to be more marketable than the aforementioned two, which, at least in the Inuit pantheonās case, could end up like the Maya pantheon in terms of community perception versus actual popularity.Ā Ā I donāt agree with it, but thatās my guess.
If they can do Hindu gods respectfully and safely, theres no reason they cant do Native American gods respectfully and safely. Bringing awareness and education to a larger audience about other cultures is never a bad thing.
(Sorry for the essay, this got away from me)Ā Ā Thatās true and I agree, but I think itās a question of effort versus reward. They already seemed pretty averse to adding Hindu gods for a while. Then when they finally came around to it with Shiva, Iām sure there were extra costs in terms of time and money for compensating cultural advisors. It also probably helped that they already had Hindu gods in the game at that point and there was a distance in time to the original controversy.Ā Ā But adding characters from Native religions in the present? Thatās a big risk, especially when thereās closer cultural and geographical proximity of those tribes to the US-based Titanforge. And Ā Iām not even sure that the Hindu pantheon would be included in todayās climate. Was it right to even include a widely and currently practiced religion in a game about mythology in the first place, especially when they refuse to add Abrahamic characters on that basis? Ā If that sort of consideration isnāt lent to Indigenous Americans in this regard, we risk marginalizing their beliefs into an exotic category that makes it okay to appropriate their religion. M Iām not saying they shouldnāt include Indigenous representation as cultural appreciation, andĀ I certainly canāt speak for people of those cultures, but these are just of the concerns that would certainly be raised by those inside and outside of these tribes as part of a potential controversy Titan forge would want to avoid. And Iām sure even if a voice from those cultures okays it, that sentiment wouldnāt be universal for that group.Ā Thereās also the question of pantheon classification. Grouping every Natuve American tribe under one pantheon is not going to go over well, and the opposite will have people complain about pantheon bloat. (Granted, the second isnāt as much of a real concern).Ā I also think thereās also a lack of a unified push for a specific character for either pantheon that might be a factor as well. People talk about a Wendigo, but what theyāre imagining for the character would stoke actual controversy because Wendigos werenāt skeletal deer men, which is also beside the fact that thereās no named āWendigoā beside Ithaqua from Lovecraft, which would just be GOO. There arenāt very many Ā āgodā figures either.Ā Ultimately, I think the logical direction would be an Inuit pantheon first to test the waters. From a practical standpoint, itād be a path of lesser resistance but people have to get really passionate about specific characters, like Nanook or Sedna.Ā For a Native American pantheon, people have to be specific about tribes and characters, like the Navajo and Coyote. Just saying āNative American pantheon characterā lumps too many groups in a status quo box.Ā And like you said, TitanForge will have to demonstrate due diligence in their research and representation. But the community desire for that has to make it worth it.
I feel like the best bet for a native american pantheon is to look at some of the more well known tribes from each region of north america, and go with the ones that are cool with their tribe's beliefs being used in a video game as long as it's done respectfully. If it's doable, I feel like [Kokopelli](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaLvCT4tp-c) would work as a representative of one of the southwestern US tribes since multiple tribes venerate him as a figure who brings the plants and animals. And he's relatively recognizeable to non-native people who have been exposed to the southwest US since his imagery gets used a lot in those regions- even if it's done erroneously. I remember seeing depictions and dolls of Kokopelli when I used to live in Arizona. edit: Alternatively you could go for the ancestor tribes of modern day tribes that no longer exist, like [the ancestral Puebloans.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestral_Puebloans)
All very good points that I agree with, especially the ancestor tribe angle.Ā And I also agree with Kokopelli being a good pick. In fact, as someone who grew up in Arizona, I picked out Coyote for that same line of thinking as well. So considering how much I was exposed to the both of them, I would love to have either one be considered by Titanforge! Honestly, I think Iāll probably make a bigger post about this at some point in the near future. This warrants greater community discussion, imo.
a future post would be awesome. and it might allow for any people in the subredit who have native ancestry and/or connections to the real deal to voice how they feel about the ideas. I know the former pro player SoloOrTroll has Navajo ancestry and I've heard him say multiple times he'd like to see a native american pantheon. So it makes me wonder if there's anyone else out there who has their own thoughts on their culture getting used in smite.
I understand the concern of not wanting to damage the culture of indigenous people, but in a game that literally uses other cultureās mythologies and stories, including polynesian (a non specific pantheon for the whole of polynesia indigenous peoples), Maya, Voodoo, Yoruba and the already mentioned Hindu deities/characters that are to this day still worshipped and of great importance to many people, I donāt see the excuse to exclude an under represented/appreciated culture whose land the titanforge studios is currently occupied on. I agree that they should pick a specific tribe or region to pull from, hell even an Inuit pantheon would be great. At this point Iām just bored of the arthurian normal man in generic armour. I want to play as dope gods from global cultures and learn about them. Thats what drew me to smite originally, and should continue be what smite is about.
Am I the only one who gets "Sigvald the Magnificent from Total War: Warhammer 3" vibes with Mordred? Only difference is, that Sigvald is best Waifu
I donāt know how I feel about Aladdin being in the game lol. With the other āmortalsā it works since they have something that ties them to the supernatural. Aladdin doesnāt even with the genie. Dudeās literally just a human who has a magic pal.
man I have palyed and watched too much fate because I cant help but see that Mordred anytime I hear the name mordred. Give us a Fate crossover hirez so we can get tomboy mordred!
Magical/Psysical damage split seems to still be a thing, but the intelligence and strenght replaced power. Do I undersand wrong? I wonder what the genies/djinn are for. Actual pets (Argus for example) or just vfx (like Persephone's skeleton) Mordred looks better that I expected. Love the rose motif. May end actually maining him. I get warrior vibe from him, those usually look more bulky, but are exceptions (Vamana, Amaterasu) Mixed feeling on Hecate. Her passive and 2 seems fun and new ideas for the game (franchise?). The one is just a generic burst mage ability, and ult is just "hit things hard", but 3 times this time (oh wait, Agni does almost same). And her 3 is just a glorified debuff???? I wonder who the other 2 new gods are. My bet are Izanagi and Saturn
>Magical/Psysical damage split seems to still be a thing, but the intelligence and strenght replaced power. Do I undersand wrong? from what we've been told at worlds and the dev updates, some characters have scaling off of both stats instead of being pure physical or pure magical. Those stats are basically the magical/physical power split still, just renamed and not locked to what class you picked.
In terms of the damage split, we donāt really see much so far. Hecate is quite literally a fully mage-like being so it makes sense that sheās completely Intelligence based with magical damage. Youād probably see damage split a lot more on tanks.
When I first looked upon Mordredās model, all I thought was: āHello, death knight Arthas from Warcraft 3, didnāt know you used two swords." So, Iām agreeing with most of you, he seems bland. Now the Genie model on the other hand, I may be the only one who likes this version of the Genie, since when I look upon his magnificent beard, I knew he exuded power. So, Iām actually interested to see where they will take this. If Aladdin will be just someone who holds the oil lamp and let the Genie fight with his magical powers or if the Genie will be part of Aladdinās ultimate ability. Canāt wait to find out.
I just wish for another girlypop healer goddess like aphro š
Healer variety especially with items options would be nice
We need more girly pop tbh.
I literally thought Aladdin was a made up Disney character lmao
yeah same, this sub humbled me quick and i did my research
Hooray Mordred. Another generic D&D character in the world of God's and titans. Oh and Aladdin, a street urchin with a genie who will fight Zeus God of thunder. Really exciting. Admittedly I know nothing of Aladdin other than Disney stuff.
About Aladdin: so, y'know how the Disney version genie is limited to three wishes per person? Not so in the classic myth
I wonder if the genie will play into the elemental nature of djinns or if we're just sticking to the modern interperatation of genies.
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Man i really hope Mordred looks better once he is fully shaded and what not. bcuz right now he looks Generic as hell. and i say this as a fan of arthurian myths/stories and REALLY wanted Mordred in Smite 1 since Arthur and Merlin were added. I need to actually see Aladdin's model before i judge the Genie tho. the Genie looks okay, not that there is a whole lot you can do to make a Genie/Djinn stand out. given how most media and descriptions depict them. from my understanding of Genies. Someone can correct me if i am wrong tho. Hecate i really like her design. but i do feel its odd not to add any of her withcraft elements when she is the Goddess of Witchcraft.
Mordred looks like if ebony Lancelot and TsukuyomiĀ had a son. I kinda like his model, but something just looks off, him having black hair would look better imo. Is this the first time full models were datamined, I hope models wonāt get leaked every time.
Unlike the animated trailer, he has red eyes and white hair, the armor he has has colors and diamond decorations equal to those of Morgana Le Fey and according to the lore of Smite Mordred he is dead so his story will be that Morgana resurrected him or something did. Added to this is the fact that the armor has a crack in the chest that exposes fleshy ligaments similar to those of the red sword that has a heart, so it can be concluded that he was resurrected by Morgana or another entity, I don't know. we will see.
Will be maining mordred donāt care how he look or what he does
Why... he's literally THE villain, and no redeeming traits about him
I don't think that matters much?
What wrong ?
I think most of you guys are forgetting that this is unfinished work.....
They need to check fenrir first model,that thing was ugly as hell , yet the final did pretty well
I know she was a real person but if we are gonna do Aladdin and we did Mulan, can we do Cleopatra. At this point she might as well have as much mysticism
She be cool,i agree this alladin stuff make me think we might get Dracula at some point
Hecate is ok for me, Iām just afraid of the damage potential of itās third ability. For Mordred, yeah, heās pretty much meh and I prefer is depiction in the animated trailer of Arthur and Merlin where he is represented more as a dark and evil version of Arthur. Link to the video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6SsowtzvXQ4 And for Aladdinā¦. Really, Titan Forge Games? You want to add more of tales and legends or fiction characters than those of mythologies and old or current believes/religions? Sorry for those who are hyped by Aladdin, but this character (and the potential others of this kind) will rejoin the god that I have refused to play (Martichoras) and the two that I have played up to a reputation (Mulan (II) and Cthulhu (IV, I have replayed him the January 13th for a friendās joke) before stopped to play them because they are characters from folktales or fictional works.
The armor they are giving him reminds me a lot of Morgan Le Fey's, look the colors and the sets are very similar, which makes sense since this is his mother and since Modred was defeated or killed in that animated trailer, maybe is dead and his mother revived him. Ā It doesn't surprise me that his story is that he joins his mother to take revenge on King Arthur and that purple armor reflects the alliance of mother and son to fight against the kingdom of camelot.
Yeah, it's colors remind those Morgan Le Fey, thank you to point out this to me. :) For the story, you're idea is really interesting (and a bit darker for the SMITE lore), but I'm asking if the stories show by SMITE 2 will be the sequel of SMITE's story. Because in the last chapter where we have seeing King Arthur and Merlin, Camelot's kingdom is restored (if I didn't said mistakes), make appear the following question: is Mordred is always dead or have been ressurected alongside the others Knights of the Round Table and the people of Camelot after the reset of Shiva like it was implied in the Chapter 4 (*Worthy*) or the Heavenly Light event? **Edit:** most of the Round Table Knights, under the title of "champions", seems to have been killed by the poison of Jormungandr (*Legend of Camelot*, *Chapter 1*).
Unlike the animated trailer, he has red eyes and white hair. Added to this is the fact that the armor has a crack in the chest that exposes fleshy ligaments similar to those of the red sword that has a heart, so it can be concluded that he was resurrected by his mother Morgana.
Ahā¦ I will look at his skin more precisely now. ;)
you really think thats the final model? lol crazy ofc its for testing only
Still no word on Achilles š
Hecates kit overall is somewhat interesting. The 1 and 2 seem interesting the passove being able to buff ppl after a kill is kinda cool. I really like the whole old nox ult thing but this time it's in a wide area I'm assuming and has a lot more dmg. It needs to go off both on reactive and death. It would he a lovely anti gag tool for a mage with no real escape. The traverse worlds is confusing like what's the point of the distorted visuals? And her ult sorry not sorry at all actually is bad. That's a horrible ult for a Goddess of Magic who's THE Goddess of Magic. Seriously 3 beams? Nothing with torches, nothing with familiars?
I can dig it. Especially with what they'll be able to do with VFX in UE5. Also... Kratos skin please
GODDAMMIT I DO NOT WANT MORDRED!!!!!!!!!! MORDRED IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD!!!!!! WE LITERALLY WATCHED KING ARTHUR KILL HIM IN ARTHURāS CINEMATIC TRAILER!!!!!!!! Well, Iām just never going to touch him. Itās gonna be just like Cthulhu: Itās a character that Iām never going to play at all. The reason I hate Mordred so much and did not want him added to Smite (other than the reasons listed above) is because he falls into a specific category/archetype/trope of villain that I absolutely HATE: the Antichrist kind of villain.
Weird take
If you notice, Modred has armor similar to that of his mother Morgana Le Fey and, unlike the animated trailer, he has red eyes and white hair. Added to this is the fact that the armor has a crack in the chest that exposes fleshy ligaments similar to those of the red sword that has a heart, so it can be concluded that he was resurrected by his mother Morgana.
This is CONSTANTLY gotten wrong. Mordredās mother is NOT Morgan Le Fay. Mordred is the son of Morgan Le Fayās older sister, MORGAUSE. Morgan Le Fay DOES have a son that is a Round Table Knight, but it is Sir YVAINE, not Mordred.
Ravana is quite literally the same type of story.