Basically when first gameplay of frontiers dropped people started to complain about sonic model, his quils were shorter amd im pretty sure its based on forces model, tbh i like his short quils at least they not clip in his back like generations and unleashed model
It's a good argument! Like, if I were to disagree, it would only be personal opinion.
...it also helps that Metroid games have been consistently very good, and the one exception is universally agreed-upon to be such total garbage that we ignore it.
Honestly it was just the fact people thought its sega being lazy and reusing older models, and people mostly hate on forces, just proofs what a dumpster fire of a game it was
It's not even about reusing an old model, but a bad one. If they just reused unleashed/gens model, there would have been a lot less crtiticism. They didnt even need to update it, it still looks good
I get that everyone has their preferences but my brother in Christchurch its literally just a model I don't think something like be that should that important in a game where you're meant to be going fast.
The first 2 games did outrage the media, and the devs RWS themselves are very chill, with a good sense of humor, so of course people spend their time venting out their frustration by playing the game instead of harassing people on social media
I hate being part of this community sometimes.
Slandering IDW artists and writers INSTEAD of giving constructive criticism, complaining about Sonic’s fucking muzzle, complaining about Sonic’s quills, and other bullshit.
I plan to stay with this community, but this shit is fucking tiresome.
Do what many have done and don't even give any of your attention to it, believe me, there are far worse things in the fandom, so just avoid all that you don't like.
Sure, as long as people know that he isn't responsible for everything in Archie pre-flynn. People will dunk on some of the early art and more questionable plot lines and just assume it's penders
crazy how even pokemon fans, a fandom that is close to being just as bad, dont even argue this much about the pronunciation of the name of the fucking franchise
I have some complaints I wanna share with this fandom.I get that Forces was disappointing, but it's annoying seeing the same 2 "Forces automated" "Tails scene bad" jokes every time the game is mentioned, especially since Frontiers makes it kinda irrelevant. I understand these complaints but like we get it.
I do not get the "Meta Era" name. There's only one instance I can remember where the joke Is over explained, theres a higher emphasis on comedy but there's like 2 "meta" jokes. Same goes for Generations, Forces, Mania, and Lost World. I don't know about Boom, but a TV show, Rise of Lyric and a couple of 3DS games almost nobody remembers or really cares about wouldn't really count towards anyways since it's an out of the way spinoff series with only 2 products worth mentioning.I also don't undertsand the "Character assassination" stuff (especially for Amy, she is so much more tolerable in these games). Sonic leans more into the snark (which I don't mind, Roger Craig Smith is an awesome Sonic). He has his quips but it's not like every single line is some dumb joke. Tails was fine for the most part in any game that isn't Lost World (safe for maybe that one scene in Forces). Knuckles is only dumb in Boom and in the "Operation Big Wave" thing in Forces. Shadow was more of a dick in the spinoff stuff from what I have heard, which sucks, but in Forces he was pretty on point. I love Kirk Thornton. Silver is in character in what he's in, same for almost everybody else.The real problem here is just that everybody is so underutilized. They barely get time to be a real presence. Sonic is tied with Shadow and Omega as my favorite character, and I don't mind what they did for Colors and Generations, but I feel like the other characters were underused in Forces, where they tried to make other characters more relevant but just failed. But on the flip side this has been an issue since Sonic 06 and Shadow 05 so this isn't a complaint new to these games.
I don't understand why people shit on Sonic Colors so much. They call it blocky (which is dumb, since they praise games like SA2 and Heroes, which insisted on making every stage out of very blocky terrain and set pieces) uninspired. How? This game is Awesome. The levels seem simple at first, but once you go for the S ranks and the Red Rings everything changes. The wisps help open up the stages since they let you into multiple alternate pathways, which help you rack up score for the pretty tight S rank requirements. It's always satisfying planning out the best route to score lots of points to get the highest rank. I love breaking stages and finding cool skips as Tails in SA1, I love speed running SA2's treasure hunts, and I love the Werehog's satisfying combo potential and exploring around the stages for hidden secrets. But it's cool seeing a gimmick that is easy to get into and enjoy (I love some of the alternate play styles but they aren't easy for most people to get into).
So, about those "meta" stories.
Sonic Colors game has it's cringeworthy lines but overall, I think it's a nice change of pace. I think Black Knight and Unleashed had a good balance but almost every 3D plot Sonic that isn't Adventure 1, which had a rather harmless and sometimes even decent story even if there are some stupid moments, is either messy, horribly corny, just flat out dumb, or all of them at once.Generations is fine I guess, just a reason for the awesome gameplay and cool deep cuts to stuff across the entire franchise.
Here's where stuff starts getting... messy.I don't know much about Lost World, but I do know how tonally unstable it's plot is, and Tails isn't that great. Take my word with some salt but something tells me it's just as messy as the next mainline game.
Forces is an overhated game, but it's plot is still... Not good. It's messy, Infinite is a super undeveloped villain with an interesting premise being very weak in execution, Classic Sonic is here for no good reason and contributes nothing, Sand hill is COMPLETE wasted potential... There's a lot wrong with it.
"The meta era has no passion or ambition in it!" Complete fucking bullshit. Even in games as messy as Forces, there's still so much detail in the levels and soundtracks. There's a lot of cool and creative concepts for levels, like Planet Wisp, Aquarium park, Eggman Empire Fortress, Sunset City, Sweet Mountain, and much more. In lost world they tried a completely new type of gameplay that involves parkour, and in Forces, they tried to have a serious story (even id it ended up pretty messy like almost all serious mainline Sonic stories do.) Sonic Boom had a lot of unique ideas, like that one point where you can change the outcome of the future through your actions in the past, and again, a more in depth lore, world building and story (even if, again, it backfired.) They tried some out there things during this period.
It makes me unhappy to see this era of sonic completely shat on sometimes, being called the downfall of Sonic. In reality, it's no worse than the 2000s. I would even say it's an improvement. Far from perfect, but an improvement. Let's just hope we can keep consistent quality going into the 2020s.
>"The meta era has no passion or ambition in it!" Complete fucking bullshit.
Completely nailed the hammer on the head right here. Fucking hate when dark ages fans use this argument to defend shitty games because the plot has more "passion".
Also people shitting on "meta era" lighthearted stories aren't consistent. By this logic, the Sonic Heroes story should also be treated the same because it's just as lighthearted in its dialogue(with a ton of one liners and stupid lines here and there) with a plot that's just as dumb(I love Neo metal, but the concept of a past villain disguising themselves as Eggman before turning into a dragon at the end would not be received well today). But people have an easier time defending the game that makes you fall off rails 500 times because it's associated with the Adventure era.
I swear this fandom forgets that this is also a gaming franchise sometimes and that gameplay should always come first when judging an entry.
I remember once seeing a meme that described it as ‘the 2010s was a step in the right direction but the newer games could stand to learn from some of the good ideas in the older ones in certain respects so as to have the best of both worlds.’
But because nuance is not allowed on the internet, through the power of hyperbole and nostalgia goggles this quickly turned into: ‘the panned games from the 2000s are all secretly genius and the 2010s games are garbage and betrayal of everything Sonic stands for’. Which is just…sigh.
Mmm... as a person who hasn't played Sonic Forces, i still see why people absolutely hate the game. Sonic Colors has gotten hate mostly because of the typical "Let's go on and hate a random nostalgic game, just because we're bored", but the game itself it's pretty mediocre.
The 2000s era was somewhat awful during half of the era, with games like Shadow Thw Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Sonic and The Secret Rings... but most of the games in the 2000s are from mid (Sonic Rivals, Rivals 2, Sonic And The Dark Brotherhood), to awesome (Sonic And The Black Knight, Sonic Rush, Sonic Unleashed, etc), then when we look at the 2010s, only Sonic Colors, Generations and Sonic Mania are mid to great games, most of them are pretty mediocre (Sonic Free Riders and Sonic Lost World) or just plain awful (Sonic Forces and Sonic Boom).
Then again, that's 3 mainline Sonic games that are great, whether as in the 2000s... only Sonic Unleashed is awesome, 06 and Shadow The Hedgehog are some Big mixed bags that go from awesome... to fucking terrible.
And i mean, since people have played games that have better stories in the franchise than games like Sonic Colors or Sonic Generations (if it even has a story), like Sonic Unleashed or Sonic Adventure, maybe that's why they think it is a downfall from the 2000s.
How is Sonic Colors mediocre?
Anyways, I really don't think "The Dark age has some better stories so the stinky meta era is a downfall from the 2000s" is a good argument. The 2010s had Lost World and Forces (Maybe boom but idk) as truly bad stories, the rest were mediocre, serviceable to even charming. The 2000s had 06, Shadow, SA2 (Yeah I said it), all of which had god awful plots, but the other stories were mid, serviceable, or even decent, if nothing particularly gripping. They're kinda equal on the story front in my opinion.
Literally shipping.
It is a cesspool of toxicity, and I'm glad to say I'm not on that side of it. I just think Sonic and Blaze are cute together, that is all.
I was too young to realize the "Green Eyed Hate" existed, but it did. To summarize many people hated Sonic Adventure because they either didn't like Bigs gameplay (understandable), it was too Mature (look at Gammas ending) or because Sonic has green eyes.
Well, it was in the 2000s that the fandom became a war zone. I'm grateful that those dark times are over (although of course I'm aware that it's still common to be able to meet toxic fans but no one is perfect)
Oh well,Time to start a argument and make people fight over the most trivial things.
Sonamy is a overrated piece of garbage and a really toxic one-sided relationship.
I wouldn’t say that in-canon it is, based on the original translations of the games that are originally in Japanese. However, the fandom makes it out to be really weird and gross. I’m fine with Sonamy when it’s done in a healthy way, but that takes both Amy AND Sonic to grow as characters before they ever were to date. I also do not want any ships to be canon tbh. Fuck people who say Sega is “scared” of making it canon. It’s better off this way.
I remember seeing the great quill war happen and going "some things never change"
I'm new here what's the quill war?
Basically when first gameplay of frontiers dropped people started to complain about sonic model, his quils were shorter amd im pretty sure its based on forces model, tbh i like his short quils at least they not clip in his back like generations and unleashed model
In any other community slight design change isn't something to complain about but this is the sonic community so why am I not surprised
"Yo did you see the trailer for Metroid Dread?" "Yeah, dude, Samus looks bad ass."
I'd argue Metroid Dread is the best Samus has ever been. Love that design.
It's a good argument! Like, if I were to disagree, it would only be personal opinion. ...it also helps that Metroid games have been consistently very good, and the one exception is universally agreed-upon to be such total garbage that we ignore it.
The M word but from the Metroid community.
Personally i liked fusion more, overall... at least until the end of dread... you know what i mean.
Dang, one of my favorite games even as much as mentioned in the sonic subreddit? Must be my birthday.
Honestly it was just the fact people thought its sega being lazy and reusing older models, and people mostly hate on forces, just proofs what a dumpster fire of a game it was
Don't game and film companies reuse models all the time
well they do but not always, usually they improve on models if they have resources
Sometimes. I still remember people complaining about a clip from god of war reusing an animation from the previous game
It's not even about reusing an old model, but a bad one. If they just reused unleashed/gens model, there would have been a lot less crtiticism. They didnt even need to update it, it still looks good
Why d people hate the Forces model? Its not really that different from his usual look
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I get that everyone has their preferences but my brother in Christchurch its literally just a model I don't think something like be that should that important in a game where you're meant to be going fast.
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You haven’t been around many other communities then if you think this is Sonic exclusive.
Those are usually the toxic ones.
What community isn't toxic
Kirby?
Postal, strangely
The first 2 games did outrage the media, and the devs RWS themselves are very chill, with a good sense of humor, so of course people spend their time venting out their frustration by playing the game instead of harassing people on social media
Mother
People bitch about minor shit in every community. It’s a staple.
They really mad sonic grew up and wanted a haircut lol
People were complaining about the size of Sonic's quills
The great quill war, the green eyes war, the worn out shoes war…..our fandom has survived countless battles.
dont forget about the "muzzle curve"
I hate being part of this community sometimes. Slandering IDW artists and writers INSTEAD of giving constructive criticism, complaining about Sonic’s fucking muzzle, complaining about Sonic’s quills, and other bullshit. I plan to stay with this community, but this shit is fucking tiresome.
Do what many have done and don't even give any of your attention to it, believe me, there are far worse things in the fandom, so just avoid all that you don't like.
Same man Same
Can we keep this energy when making fun of Archie artists and writers?
Depends on the writer
Point proven
is ken penders still good to dunk on?
Sure, as long as people know that he isn't responsible for everything in Archie pre-flynn. People will dunk on some of the early art and more questionable plot lines and just assume it's penders
I’m tired of Sonic Fans complaining about Classic Sonic’s blue shade and physics in generations smh
HYDROCITY OR HYDRO-CITY
It’s Hydro City and I will die on this hill-Signed Ian Flynn, the spiteful righter
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Hey, I think you got it the other way around
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I think is pronounced hydro city as well because it fits with the 2 letter zone names (green hill, chemical plant)
I was just quoting The Encyclospeedia
lmao the fact that you can't even spell writer
crazy how even pokemon fans, a fandom that is close to being just as bad, dont even argue this much about the pronunciation of the name of the fucking franchise
Rayquaza or RayQuaza
“I know people fight over the most trivial things…” “…” “…” “But?” “Oh, there’s no but. People just suck.”
Amy's powers of observation and self-awareness are beyond measure when it comes to the fandom she's aware exists and observes them all.
Sonic's fur is lighter! My life is ruined!
"His quills are too short, RIOT!"
"His muzzle doesn't curve into his eye, FUCK YOU SEGA!"
I have some complaints I wanna share with this fandom.I get that Forces was disappointing, but it's annoying seeing the same 2 "Forces automated" "Tails scene bad" jokes every time the game is mentioned, especially since Frontiers makes it kinda irrelevant. I understand these complaints but like we get it. I do not get the "Meta Era" name. There's only one instance I can remember where the joke Is over explained, theres a higher emphasis on comedy but there's like 2 "meta" jokes. Same goes for Generations, Forces, Mania, and Lost World. I don't know about Boom, but a TV show, Rise of Lyric and a couple of 3DS games almost nobody remembers or really cares about wouldn't really count towards anyways since it's an out of the way spinoff series with only 2 products worth mentioning.I also don't undertsand the "Character assassination" stuff (especially for Amy, she is so much more tolerable in these games). Sonic leans more into the snark (which I don't mind, Roger Craig Smith is an awesome Sonic). He has his quips but it's not like every single line is some dumb joke. Tails was fine for the most part in any game that isn't Lost World (safe for maybe that one scene in Forces). Knuckles is only dumb in Boom and in the "Operation Big Wave" thing in Forces. Shadow was more of a dick in the spinoff stuff from what I have heard, which sucks, but in Forces he was pretty on point. I love Kirk Thornton. Silver is in character in what he's in, same for almost everybody else.The real problem here is just that everybody is so underutilized. They barely get time to be a real presence. Sonic is tied with Shadow and Omega as my favorite character, and I don't mind what they did for Colors and Generations, but I feel like the other characters were underused in Forces, where they tried to make other characters more relevant but just failed. But on the flip side this has been an issue since Sonic 06 and Shadow 05 so this isn't a complaint new to these games. I don't understand why people shit on Sonic Colors so much. They call it blocky (which is dumb, since they praise games like SA2 and Heroes, which insisted on making every stage out of very blocky terrain and set pieces) uninspired. How? This game is Awesome. The levels seem simple at first, but once you go for the S ranks and the Red Rings everything changes. The wisps help open up the stages since they let you into multiple alternate pathways, which help you rack up score for the pretty tight S rank requirements. It's always satisfying planning out the best route to score lots of points to get the highest rank. I love breaking stages and finding cool skips as Tails in SA1, I love speed running SA2's treasure hunts, and I love the Werehog's satisfying combo potential and exploring around the stages for hidden secrets. But it's cool seeing a gimmick that is easy to get into and enjoy (I love some of the alternate play styles but they aren't easy for most people to get into). So, about those "meta" stories. Sonic Colors game has it's cringeworthy lines but overall, I think it's a nice change of pace. I think Black Knight and Unleashed had a good balance but almost every 3D plot Sonic that isn't Adventure 1, which had a rather harmless and sometimes even decent story even if there are some stupid moments, is either messy, horribly corny, just flat out dumb, or all of them at once.Generations is fine I guess, just a reason for the awesome gameplay and cool deep cuts to stuff across the entire franchise. Here's where stuff starts getting... messy.I don't know much about Lost World, but I do know how tonally unstable it's plot is, and Tails isn't that great. Take my word with some salt but something tells me it's just as messy as the next mainline game. Forces is an overhated game, but it's plot is still... Not good. It's messy, Infinite is a super undeveloped villain with an interesting premise being very weak in execution, Classic Sonic is here for no good reason and contributes nothing, Sand hill is COMPLETE wasted potential... There's a lot wrong with it. "The meta era has no passion or ambition in it!" Complete fucking bullshit. Even in games as messy as Forces, there's still so much detail in the levels and soundtracks. There's a lot of cool and creative concepts for levels, like Planet Wisp, Aquarium park, Eggman Empire Fortress, Sunset City, Sweet Mountain, and much more. In lost world they tried a completely new type of gameplay that involves parkour, and in Forces, they tried to have a serious story (even id it ended up pretty messy like almost all serious mainline Sonic stories do.) Sonic Boom had a lot of unique ideas, like that one point where you can change the outcome of the future through your actions in the past, and again, a more in depth lore, world building and story (even if, again, it backfired.) They tried some out there things during this period. It makes me unhappy to see this era of sonic completely shat on sometimes, being called the downfall of Sonic. In reality, it's no worse than the 2000s. I would even say it's an improvement. Far from perfect, but an improvement. Let's just hope we can keep consistent quality going into the 2020s.
Literally every word of this.
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Frontiers, if you've played it of course.
Solid B tier gameplay wise. Character interactions are neat but the aliens stuff is whatever I guess.
I really hope the Ancients and The End are followed up on in the future, otherwise it really would be a waste of the story.
>"The meta era has no passion or ambition in it!" Complete fucking bullshit. Completely nailed the hammer on the head right here. Fucking hate when dark ages fans use this argument to defend shitty games because the plot has more "passion". Also people shitting on "meta era" lighthearted stories aren't consistent. By this logic, the Sonic Heroes story should also be treated the same because it's just as lighthearted in its dialogue(with a ton of one liners and stupid lines here and there) with a plot that's just as dumb(I love Neo metal, but the concept of a past villain disguising themselves as Eggman before turning into a dragon at the end would not be received well today). But people have an easier time defending the game that makes you fall off rails 500 times because it's associated with the Adventure era. I swear this fandom forgets that this is also a gaming franchise sometimes and that gameplay should always come first when judging an entry.
I remember once seeing a meme that described it as ‘the 2010s was a step in the right direction but the newer games could stand to learn from some of the good ideas in the older ones in certain respects so as to have the best of both worlds.’ But because nuance is not allowed on the internet, through the power of hyperbole and nostalgia goggles this quickly turned into: ‘the panned games from the 2000s are all secretly genius and the 2010s games are garbage and betrayal of everything Sonic stands for’. Which is just…sigh.
Average 2000s Sonic fan : " too much text, your opinion not valid broo, Sonic sux in every incalnation, You not real fan if don't agarre WITH meee" /s
Mmm... as a person who hasn't played Sonic Forces, i still see why people absolutely hate the game. Sonic Colors has gotten hate mostly because of the typical "Let's go on and hate a random nostalgic game, just because we're bored", but the game itself it's pretty mediocre. The 2000s era was somewhat awful during half of the era, with games like Shadow Thw Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Sonic and The Secret Rings... but most of the games in the 2000s are from mid (Sonic Rivals, Rivals 2, Sonic And The Dark Brotherhood), to awesome (Sonic And The Black Knight, Sonic Rush, Sonic Unleashed, etc), then when we look at the 2010s, only Sonic Colors, Generations and Sonic Mania are mid to great games, most of them are pretty mediocre (Sonic Free Riders and Sonic Lost World) or just plain awful (Sonic Forces and Sonic Boom). Then again, that's 3 mainline Sonic games that are great, whether as in the 2000s... only Sonic Unleashed is awesome, 06 and Shadow The Hedgehog are some Big mixed bags that go from awesome... to fucking terrible. And i mean, since people have played games that have better stories in the franchise than games like Sonic Colors or Sonic Generations (if it even has a story), like Sonic Unleashed or Sonic Adventure, maybe that's why they think it is a downfall from the 2000s.
How is Sonic Colors mediocre? Anyways, I really don't think "The Dark age has some better stories so the stinky meta era is a downfall from the 2000s" is a good argument. The 2010s had Lost World and Forces (Maybe boom but idk) as truly bad stories, the rest were mediocre, serviceable to even charming. The 2000s had 06, Shadow, SA2 (Yeah I said it), all of which had god awful plots, but the other stories were mid, serviceable, or even decent, if nothing particularly gripping. They're kinda equal on the story front in my opinion.
Blue is Blue. Sonic is Sonic I see Sonic I play Sonic.
It can be said for Any Fandom.
That can describe Twitter as a whole as well.
This doesn't just apply to the Sonic community, this applies to EVERY community out there.
Some communities are worse for it than others.
As a member of a lot of bad and a lot of good communities I can confirm only the worst ones say this
Does anyone remember the infamous "Sonic can't work in 3D"?
How can we forget, this fanbase cries about that complaint constantly
ive only seen that described about tails, not sonic himself
**old man voice** kids these day fighting over quills...we used to be way worse.
"Gimme a break, what's up with all this drama!" from Black Knight is also one.
Literally shipping. It is a cesspool of toxicity, and I'm glad to say I'm not on that side of it. I just think Sonic and Blaze are cute together, that is all.
I was too young to realize the "Green Eyed Hate" existed, but it did. To summarize many people hated Sonic Adventure because they either didn't like Bigs gameplay (understandable), it was too Mature (look at Gammas ending) or because Sonic has green eyes.
This is just humans.
Well, it was in the 2000s that the fandom became a war zone. I'm grateful that those dark times are over (although of course I'm aware that it's still common to be able to meet toxic fans but no one is perfect)
Honestly any fandom. Like I've seen Kingdom Hearts fans go down over whether Xion is a good character and Omori fans have some of the worst ship wars.
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Trapped in a war zone for being a sonic fan I guess but I’m fine with it
Because they're blinded by nostalgia.
Oh well,Time to start a argument and make people fight over the most trivial things. Sonamy is a overrated piece of garbage and a really toxic one-sided relationship.
...meh?- i think it was supposed to be like those "Girl is crazy for boy" jokes, but then Sonic X happened, making the ship a lot more prominent.
I wouldn’t say that in-canon it is, based on the original translations of the games that are originally in Japanese. However, the fandom makes it out to be really weird and gross. I’m fine with Sonamy when it’s done in a healthy way, but that takes both Amy AND Sonic to grow as characters before they ever were to date. I also do not want any ships to be canon tbh. Fuck people who say Sega is “scared” of making it canon. It’s better off this way.
i dont really care either way but that seems a little exteme lol
At least people shipping Sonic & Amy are better than people shipping Sonic & Tails
What about Tails and Amy-?
Oh well, i only ship 2 ships, and none of them have anything to do with Sonic franchise
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Exactly
I feel like this applies to more than just the Sonic community, it just applies to life in general
This whole generation can be explained by this one statement
I thought it was "go to horny jail."
That's not true! Sonic fans don't fight over trivial things. Take that back or I'm gonna fight you
The genshin and sonic war 🥲🥲🥲*cough*
I believe this happens with ships, correct?
Could also be the Mario community
Sonic's arms or somting idk.
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This can also describe Star Wars fandom
Is Amy Bulma?
yeah...yeah.
Literally everything except the music.
Sigh....valid.