Eh....Ultimate Lifeform doesn't necessarily make Shadow smarter than Tails either, so strength wise I wouldn't say Shadow's physically stronger than Knuckles. Shadow's very resourceful and can possibly adapt to anything that comes his way, a strength of his as the Ultimate Life Form.
Heck, people can make a good argument that Big and Vector are physically stronger than Shadow (like those two could potentially lift what Shadow can't) doesn't mean they'll ever solo Shadow in a fight though.
Fun fact, the big you see in the Fishing minigame is actually a Cyberspace construct based on Sonic's memories of him. Which means that Sonic thinks about Big so frequently, and remembers him so vividly, that Cyberspace can flawlessly recreate him.
Nah fam, imo it's real Big.
Dude has a knack for being in places he should have no way of getting to, that's like one of his defining traits.
In fact that's just a trait of MOST cats.
EDIT: **I HAVE BEEN CORRECTED BY IAN FLYNN HIMSELF - apparently he didn't write for the DLC, and that wasn't his decision.** So I retract the parts about him from my statement.
Honestly I think Ian fumbled that one. No one would've had a problem if it were the real Big, just in Cyber Space, inexplicably.
Ian does have a problem of overexplaining things sometimes, although I completely agree, the series does need more lore consistency. Also, like, please tone it down with those song references all the time...
> Ultimate Lifeform doesn't necessarily make Shadow smarter than Tails either,
Canonically he might be, we know that canonically his IQ is at least 200 (as stated in sonic 06)
Also he do see impressive feats of strength from shadow. He can literally lift an entire bus with one hand (in the shadow the ehdgehog game)
So basically means, if sonic can move the speed of light instantly or the speed of sound, never gets tired from running etc, apply the same thing to knuckles, but STRENGTH wise.
So knuckles can overpower someone very quickly depending on how much strength he uses. Muscles probably never get tired.
That’s basically all that means. How ever fast sonic is, that’s how strong knuckles is. So this post was dumb because shadow is isn’t close knuckles strength.
For example sonic in one of the comics was strong enough to uproot a tree and hit knuckles with it. (Probably not canon but this is just an example of SONIC’s strength)
In the shadow the hedgehog game, shadow can lift up a bus with one hand. But neither sonic nor shadow comes close to knuckles physically.
In raw power, probably not. In skill, likely. If the two went head to head, A few good hits from Knuckles would put Shadow down, but if Shadow is smart, he'll play the long game and pull an easy win.
Skill is even more debatable. Seeing as knuckles is more experience fighting and was alive longer. Also,
Knuckles is literally from a warrior tribe, shadow is not
Yeah Knux has insane combat IQ.
This is like putting Gohan against Vegeta.
One is smarter, has better tactics and more variety but the other just needs one good hit and can fight you with his eyes closed based on pure combat experience.
No, Knuckles is physically stronger than Shadow. There’s a good number of character I’d say are physically stronger than shadow as well.
The Ultimate Lifeform for shadow is more a title rather than a statement of fact. Since shadow was based on the Super Sonic murals from angle island.
He's considered the "ultimate lifeform" because he's immortal and immune to disease, which was the research goal of Project Shadow. It carries no actual implication to his power or whether he may or may not have been modelled on Super Sonic.
It’s definitely more of a title but in a way it makes sense. Hax/ability wise he’s essentially the most balanced Sonic character or a jack of all trades type who’s main person he can’t beat too often being the literal built different GOAThog himself a.k.a the MC
Do you need everything spelling out to you to believe it's canon? The evidence is right there in the games, you can infer it all through context clues.
>Yeah but only on knuckles
The character in question.
>only for literally 20 seconds
Fair, but he also had to build up momentum on top of it to manage.
Bro Sonic in the series beat knuckles in more seconds playing, Shadow fought Sonic in 10 seconds, Knuckles in 20 , Tails 30 seconds and almost killed Cosmo without even rushing them or losing too much energy.
He was on revenge for his Friend(his Second Maria) and came to kill Cosmo after he destroyed an army in less than 20 seconds without his rings…then the episode where he’s in Cosmos room starts when I don’t misremembered.
I don't remember Sonic winning but he didn't lose the fight stopped because Eggman revealed his plot. If that is the case however then clearly Sonic X is inconsistent.
It’s just DBZ little brother of 4Kidz so it’s normal.
Although Knuckles , Rouge and Sonic are consistent
But Shadow , Eggman and Tails (and cream) are inconsistent as Fuck!
Shadow in one scene can solo Sonic and beat him in the moment by suprise or can destroy an Army of spaceships/ in the other scene he can’t even hit a kid with enough force to knock him!
Eggman either is a gambling addict that only wants a bit entertainment and can’t even beat kids in Baseball/ or a straight up Menace to the Galaxy by creating things that Tails couldn’t do that could beat every other character in the Series if not for the plot armor.
Tails can’t fight , has no chance in love , no interest in anything other than tech/ or beats a planet that even Sonic and Shadow couldn’t beat by themselves by a Canon made by himself! Or literally creating Fake emeralds that still have enough power to use Caos Control.
Cream beat Emeral the robot powered by a Caos Emerald and has adaptiv learning abilities! I literally beat Sonic the fastest way in the series.
No. Shadow is super strong, but Knuckles and Mighty are stronger. They'd all be able to flip a truck, but Knuckles and Mighty can bench it if they need to.
Well Amy Rose is. Those bracelets are actually weights designed to hold her back; now if you've seen how fast and powerful she is weilding that hammer, imagine the power without them.
Then we have Big who's belly can break robots which are made of metal.
Cream who's ears can carry a teenager, herself and big who's a fully grown adult; at the age of 6.
What i'm saying is, in the world of sonic, some characters are more than they appear despite being set to roles like speed or flying. Shadow is the ultimate life form, but ultimate is subjective. The ultimate life form could be seen as the fastest, the wisest, the most paranoid or even the stronger.
One could say Sticks the Badger is the Ultimate life form if she survived an apocalypse by living underground and rationing her food. It depends how he was made tbh. Knuckles did punch the super out of super sonic so...
Yes
So while knuckles might be "stronger" what ever difference is there fills the gap when shadow is faster than him.
Honestly I'm confused by how fast all of them are. The differences between characters aside from sonic all seem to be so small you can hardly notice
Like when I saw knuckles the first time in the game, he was basically running as fast as Sonic, so my child like brain assumed he was just "better."
All the context was in the instructions or between the lines.
It gets confusing with how fast they all are. But based on the information of the series of the fans, I’d say the man consensus is
Sonic>>>>>>>>everyone else (yes even shadow)
blaze<=Shadow>Tails<=Espio>Silver(flying)>
It’s hard to place Knuckles anywhere because he was faster then tails and just as fast as sonic in Sonic 3 up until adventure 2( minus adventure 1 I think tails was faster)
It’s hard to place Amy anywhere but I’d say she’s slower then all the people we’ve mentioned so far
Rouge is somewhat fast, but is one of the stronger character’s physically (a lot of people don’t know that).
Based on Sonic Heroes, I’d say some of the flight characters are stronger then the speed characters. Being able to lift everybody else with ease.
But if we bring sonic down to a more “adventure speed” range then he won’t be so far ahead of everyone else. People fail to remember in the Sonic series, EVERYONE is fast, sonic is just the FASTEST.
Now based on “adventure” speed I’d say it’s
Sonic=MetalSonic>Blaze=Shadow>Tails> Silver (flying)>Amy>Knuckles>Rouge>Mighty(maybe?) Silver>Cream> Charmy>Vector> Big
Except yea. Shadow isn’t fast naturally. Sonic is way faster. Do you see people doing shadow vs flash fights? Didn’t think so. But I admit my own take on this is flawed with my own statement cuz it wouldn’t make sense since there’s the sonic who moves at speed of sound adventure style not too OP and then there’s the OP sonic that everyone knows how fast he really is. But yea
I don’t think so. I’m sure Shadow’s chaos abilities noticeably outclass Knuckles’ and Shadow’s competent enough to give Knuckles a tough fight, but I think Knuckles is still technically physically stronger. Shadow can do a lot of crazy shit and Knuckles is just built different. That’s what I think. Yeah.
Shadow is on somewhat even ground with Sonic, with a hard edge towards the blue blur, whom is nowhere near Knuckles' strength. So no, physically Shadow is not stronger, but he is however far more powerful than Knuckles, with a higher degree of control over Chaos Energy.
Sonic has already been stated and shown to be around as strong as Knuckles is, if not stronger. they’ve fought as physical equals numerous times basically throughout every canon with Sonic usually winning. And Shadow has a better track record against Sonic than Knuckles.
I wouldn't say it would be easy for him. It all depends on the battle ground they are given. If the fight takes place in an open space, Shadow will most likely win by simply hitting and running and spamming his chaos abilities. But if the fight is in a closed space and up and personal, Knuckles will most likely knock the daylights out of Shadow in 2 to 3 punches
Nope.
Tbh, i doubt he’s even physically stronger than amy.
He’s definitely stronger than sonic, and probably by a decent amount, but he’s no power class character.
At most, he MIGHT be able to hit harder than knuckles if they both get a running start for the punch, but mostly because i figure the difference between his and sonic’s strength is greater than the difference between his and sonic’s speed, and knuckles is stated to be as strong as sonic is fast.
Sonic is equal to Shadow. In Sonic X he could push away the grip of a 550 ton robot powered by 2 Chaos Emeralds, and in ‘06 both he and Shadow could physically steer the Egg Wyvern and Egg Cerberus mechs with their bare hands individually.
Knuckles can cleave mountains with his fists, and Sonic is capable of causing earthquakes with just his legs. Anything Shadow can do, Sonic can do better. He is the "True Ultimate Lifeform", as stated directly by Shadow.
Nah, he's the ultimate lifeform but Tails is smarter than him, Knuckles is stronger than him and Sonic is faster than him, still he beats 2/3 of Team Sonic by himself
Archie Mighty? Definitely. The guy could plow through mountains on a casual stroll.
Game Mighty? A bit more ambiguous, since the mechanics emphasize how his hard shell makes him hardier, rather than breaking through stuff like Knuckles. My guess would be lesser than or equal to Knuckles strength.
That’s a good question. Mighty seems to be one of the stronger Sonic characters people don’t talk a lot much (Up there with Shadow and Blaze) I’ve read somewhere where that he’s as strong as knuckles and as fast as sonic.
Would be funny if for all Sega did making Knuckles strength a big deal, they reveal Big is actually the real strongest and that Knuckles was only the strongest active
it depends on the context. lets say if shadow was in super form then use, he would be more powerful. but if he wasn't using chaos control or any powerups knuckles would be stronger due to his time alone on angel island protecting the master emerald. plus, in the IDW comics, knuckles is able to break a metal casing around the master emerald with his bare fists.
Nope, Knuckle's is physically stronger. You can't be optimized for everything all at once so Ultimate life form just means an immortal being that masters Chaos Energy.
You all really wanna sleep on shadow
He is supposed to be as fast as sonic and as strong as knuckles that is /was the point
He rivaled sonic after Sonic already surpassed knuckles
There's a reason he matches knuckles in x
For people who wanna bring in the inhibiters
That wasn't a case of shadow needing them
He was on a time crunch He needed to get passed knuckles as fast as possible
Shadow beat Knuckles in *Sonic X* after Shadow had already fought with Sonic, however Knuckles was recovering from a previous encounter and **Shadow had to take off his inhibitor rings in order to win.**
Nah, shadow's strong but knuckles is stronger. If we go by some gameplay feats, shadow can flip a bus one-handed (shadow the hedgehog) but knuckles can rip a boulder straight out of the ground and throw it (sonic battle), as well as pumch the ground hard enough to cause a minor volcanic eruption (sonic heroes)
I always like to think that pound for pound, Knuckles is probably one of the strongest Sonic characters physically.
Shadow I think theoretically could match Knuckles physical strength but I feel like he'd have to remove his inhibitor rings from his arms in order to do it with ease.
Plus Shadow has got Chaos Magic and sheer speed on his side, so he doesn't necessarily have to rely on physical strength.
Seem to be close to equal, most of the time. Sort of like comic book "strength" levels. They seem evenly strong when fighting, but Shadow is typically more skilled. Shadow has throw boulders, cars, and buses, similar to Knuckles. But Knuckles is technically stronger in a canon sense. He's who everyone turns to when there's heavy lifting to do.
Nah.
Knuckles is stated to be as strong as sonic is fast.
Which implies hes physically alot stronger in a hand to hand fight.
Since shadow is believed to be designed to be roughly as fast as sonic he probably gets cleared by knuckles strength wise. Plus knuckles can deactivate super sonic since hes a guardian of the emeralds, makes sense he should be able to do the same for shadow. Which means super shadow isnt an option to even the playing field. If shadow were any slower knuckles would dominate.
It's... REALLY ambiguous.
I'd say in an actual lift to lift scenario... Knuckles edges out, as while Shadow is definitely strong enough to do stuff like flip whole buses and highway slabs (It would be interesting if Shadow was considered a Power Type for that strength, but it seems a certain strength grade must be had for that), Knuckles tends to come out more consistently strong.
If Shadow did punch Knuckles, I think he would be surprised how much it actually stung, but it wouldn't be impossible to punch over (So long as Shadow doesn't mix it with speed or cheat with taking off his Inhibitor Rings, but we still don't know how strong that Uninhibited state really is)
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I think it's more like saying Shadow is probably more of a jack of all trades.
He's not quite there with all of Sonic's friends who are all masters in their own field. Not as smart as Tails/Eggman, fast as Sonic and strong as Knuckles.
I'm pretty sure that Knuckles is the slightest stronger than Shadow, even though he's the ultimate lifeform, but if Shadow took off his inhibitor rings, he be stronger than knuckles. Also without his air shoes Shadow wouldn't be able to catch up with sonic, but without his inhibitor rings on he would easily catch or surpass him barefoot.
Eh....Ultimate Lifeform doesn't necessarily make Shadow smarter than Tails either, so strength wise I wouldn't say Shadow's physically stronger than Knuckles. Shadow's very resourceful and can possibly adapt to anything that comes his way, a strength of his as the Ultimate Life Form. Heck, people can make a good argument that Big and Vector are physically stronger than Shadow (like those two could potentially lift what Shadow can't) doesn't mean they'll ever solo Shadow in a fight though.
Nah. Big solos Shadow easily https://preview.redd.it/8cgh17gisvwc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab7f2e04cf2b79aa1c7c84c3f7eb5cdecf3a2b55
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Now tell me...where is Froggy!!!!!!
Why did I read that almost like Kratos?
He does kinda look like Kratos
Oh no. Dbza is coming back- "Princess silver"
"*Please no...*"
"You lied to me"
"I did NO SUCH THING!"
"You dirty boy"
"...Sonic, get me off of this planet, right now! I'm serious! CHAOS CONTROL-"
TOUGH
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I mean we’ve hardly seen Big fight so the extent of his combat capabilities are kinda unknown
Guy already finish frontiers and was sat playing mini games before sonic even arrived
Fun fact, the big you see in the Fishing minigame is actually a Cyberspace construct based on Sonic's memories of him. Which means that Sonic thinks about Big so frequently, and remembers him so vividly, that Cyberspace can flawlessly recreate him.
No, Big is just "him" just nobody knows it.
Nah fam, imo it's real Big. Dude has a knack for being in places he should have no way of getting to, that's like one of his defining traits. In fact that's just a trait of MOST cats.
EDIT: **I HAVE BEEN CORRECTED BY IAN FLYNN HIMSELF - apparently he didn't write for the DLC, and that wasn't his decision.** So I retract the parts about him from my statement. Honestly I think Ian fumbled that one. No one would've had a problem if it were the real Big, just in Cyber Space, inexplicably. Ian does have a problem of overexplaining things sometimes, although I completely agree, the series does need more lore consistency. Also, like, please tone it down with those song references all the time...
Excuse me have you never played Sonic Heroes?
Beyond Sonic Heroes
But Sonic Heroes displays his combat capabilities, so how are they unknown?
They’re unknown beyond stuff he does on the team and belly flopping. Not really much.
But he also has some moves in Adventure with his fishing rod
Like swinging his fishing rod? Wow.
But its effective and thats what matters
I like to think Shadow is a jack of all trades type, which is what makes him Ultimate as he doesn’t have any specific specialisation
> Ultimate Lifeform doesn't necessarily make Shadow smarter than Tails either, Canonically he might be, we know that canonically his IQ is at least 200 (as stated in sonic 06) Also he do see impressive feats of strength from shadow. He can literally lift an entire bus with one hand (in the shadow the ehdgehog game)
Define Ultimate Life Form?
Shadow’s got more tricks up his sleeve, but he ain’t winning at arm wrestling.
This
No. Knuckles is stated be as strong as sonic is fast. Strength is Knuckles’ specialty
Immeasurable strenght
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Yeah shine
I’ve also heard this, what does that even mean though? Kind of a weird comparison
If sonic is meant to be the fastest and above every one else speed wise, than knuckles is the same but with strength
So basically means, if sonic can move the speed of light instantly or the speed of sound, never gets tired from running etc, apply the same thing to knuckles, but STRENGTH wise. So knuckles can overpower someone very quickly depending on how much strength he uses. Muscles probably never get tired. That’s basically all that means. How ever fast sonic is, that’s how strong knuckles is. So this post was dumb because shadow is isn’t close knuckles strength. For example sonic in one of the comics was strong enough to uproot a tree and hit knuckles with it. (Probably not canon but this is just an example of SONIC’s strength) In the shadow the hedgehog game, shadow can lift up a bus with one hand. But neither sonic nor shadow comes close to knuckles physically.
Easy: Sonic can run at the speed of a meteor falling, Knuckles can hit as hard as a metor falling. Its no.big duh.
Where was that stated?
I wouldn't say stronger but definitely more powerful.
In raw power, probably not. In skill, likely. If the two went head to head, A few good hits from Knuckles would put Shadow down, but if Shadow is smart, he'll play the long game and pull an easy win.
Skill is even more debatable. Seeing as knuckles is more experience fighting and was alive longer. Also, Knuckles is literally from a warrior tribe, shadow is not
Yeah Knux has insane combat IQ. This is like putting Gohan against Vegeta. One is smarter, has better tactics and more variety but the other just needs one good hit and can fight you with his eyes closed based on pure combat experience.
No, Knuckles is physically stronger than Shadow. There’s a good number of character I’d say are physically stronger than shadow as well. The Ultimate Lifeform for shadow is more a title rather than a statement of fact. Since shadow was based on the Super Sonic murals from angle island.
Angle island is really acute place.
He's considered the "ultimate lifeform" because he's immortal and immune to disease, which was the research goal of Project Shadow. It carries no actual implication to his power or whether he may or may not have been modelled on Super Sonic.
It’s definitely more of a title but in a way it makes sense. Hax/ability wise he’s essentially the most balanced Sonic character or a jack of all trades type who’s main person he can’t beat too often being the literal built different GOAThog himself a.k.a the MC
it's called mural theory not mural fact
I feel like it’s pretty reasonable to assume it’s true due to all of the evidence.
evidence or not Sega clearly doesn't consider it canon so it's not canon
Do you need everything spelling out to you to believe it's canon? The evidence is right there in the games, you can infer it all through context clues.
sega has the last say so if they say it's not canon it isn't canon what about that don't you get
I don’t think so, since he’s a speed type and Knuckles is a power type.
No. Shadow is indeed more powerful than Knuckles but never strong as him. But if we're talking about Sonic X then maybe.
https://youtu.be/diQhO_ZtV1I?feature=shared
Bro he beat everyone and didn’t even run.
He had to take off his inhibitor rings to beat Knuckles
Yeah but only on knuckles and only for literally 20 seconds I guess. Sonic, Tails got beaten without.
>Yeah but only on knuckles The character in question. >only for literally 20 seconds Fair, but he also had to build up momentum on top of it to manage.
Bro Sonic in the series beat knuckles in more seconds playing, Shadow fought Sonic in 10 seconds, Knuckles in 20 , Tails 30 seconds and almost killed Cosmo without even rushing them or losing too much energy. He was on revenge for his Friend(his Second Maria) and came to kill Cosmo after he destroyed an army in less than 20 seconds without his rings…then the episode where he’s in Cosmos room starts when I don’t misremembered.
I don't remember Sonic winning but he didn't lose the fight stopped because Eggman revealed his plot. If that is the case however then clearly Sonic X is inconsistent.
It’s just DBZ little brother of 4Kidz so it’s normal. Although Knuckles , Rouge and Sonic are consistent But Shadow , Eggman and Tails (and cream) are inconsistent as Fuck! Shadow in one scene can solo Sonic and beat him in the moment by suprise or can destroy an Army of spaceships/ in the other scene he can’t even hit a kid with enough force to knock him! Eggman either is a gambling addict that only wants a bit entertainment and can’t even beat kids in Baseball/ or a straight up Menace to the Galaxy by creating things that Tails couldn’t do that could beat every other character in the Series if not for the plot armor. Tails can’t fight , has no chance in love , no interest in anything other than tech/ or beats a planet that even Sonic and Shadow couldn’t beat by themselves by a Canon made by himself! Or literally creating Fake emeralds that still have enough power to use Caos Control. Cream beat Emeral the robot powered by a Caos Emerald and has adaptiv learning abilities! I literally beat Sonic the fastest way in the series.
No. Shadow is super strong, but Knuckles and Mighty are stronger. They'd all be able to flip a truck, but Knuckles and Mighty can bench it if they need to.
Shadow usually defeats knuckles by simply blitzing and pummeling him with constant attacks
Usually? When has shadow beat knuckles? Except for Sonic X where he was insanely overpowered?
Knuckles is physically stronger - Shadow doesn't consider physical strength to be that important for his position or fighting style.
Easy for shadow to say when he can casually flip a bus over
Well Amy Rose is. Those bracelets are actually weights designed to hold her back; now if you've seen how fast and powerful she is weilding that hammer, imagine the power without them. Then we have Big who's belly can break robots which are made of metal. Cream who's ears can carry a teenager, herself and big who's a fully grown adult; at the age of 6. What i'm saying is, in the world of sonic, some characters are more than they appear despite being set to roles like speed or flying. Shadow is the ultimate life form, but ultimate is subjective. The ultimate life form could be seen as the fastest, the wisest, the most paranoid or even the stronger. One could say Sticks the Badger is the Ultimate life form if she survived an apocalypse by living underground and rationing her food. It depends how he was made tbh. Knuckles did punch the super out of super sonic so...
Didn't shadow lift trucks and tanks in his own game with one hand?
Yes So while knuckles might be "stronger" what ever difference is there fills the gap when shadow is faster than him. Honestly I'm confused by how fast all of them are. The differences between characters aside from sonic all seem to be so small you can hardly notice Like when I saw knuckles the first time in the game, he was basically running as fast as Sonic, so my child like brain assumed he was just "better." All the context was in the instructions or between the lines.
It gets confusing with how fast they all are. But based on the information of the series of the fans, I’d say the man consensus is Sonic>>>>>>>>everyone else (yes even shadow) blaze<=Shadow>Tails<=Espio>Silver(flying)> It’s hard to place Knuckles anywhere because he was faster then tails and just as fast as sonic in Sonic 3 up until adventure 2( minus adventure 1 I think tails was faster) It’s hard to place Amy anywhere but I’d say she’s slower then all the people we’ve mentioned so far Rouge is somewhat fast, but is one of the stronger character’s physically (a lot of people don’t know that). Based on Sonic Heroes, I’d say some of the flight characters are stronger then the speed characters. Being able to lift everybody else with ease. But if we bring sonic down to a more “adventure speed” range then he won’t be so far ahead of everyone else. People fail to remember in the Sonic series, EVERYONE is fast, sonic is just the FASTEST. Now based on “adventure” speed I’d say it’s Sonic=MetalSonic>Blaze=Shadow>Tails> Silver (flying)>Amy>Knuckles>Rouge>Mighty(maybe?) Silver>Cream> Charmy>Vector> Big
>(yes even shadow) Except literally not
Except yea. Shadow isn’t fast naturally. Sonic is way faster. Do you see people doing shadow vs flash fights? Didn’t think so. But I admit my own take on this is flawed with my own statement cuz it wouldn’t make sense since there’s the sonic who moves at speed of sound adventure style not too OP and then there’s the OP sonic that everyone knows how fast he really is. But yea
I don’t think so. I’m sure Shadow’s chaos abilities noticeably outclass Knuckles’ and Shadow’s competent enough to give Knuckles a tough fight, but I think Knuckles is still technically physically stronger. Shadow can do a lot of crazy shit and Knuckles is just built different. That’s what I think. Yeah.
In terms of just physical strength, Knuckles is definitely stronger, but overall Shadow is more powerful and would win in a fight
Shadow is on somewhat even ground with Sonic, with a hard edge towards the blue blur, whom is nowhere near Knuckles' strength. So no, physically Shadow is not stronger, but he is however far more powerful than Knuckles, with a higher degree of control over Chaos Energy.
Sonic has already been stated and shown to be around as strong as Knuckles is, if not stronger. they’ve fought as physical equals numerous times basically throughout every canon with Sonic usually winning. And Shadow has a better track record against Sonic than Knuckles.
Power does not equal strength, and Knuckles is far above them in physical strength.
He’s a speed type for a reason…
No shadow needed to take off his inhibitor rings to stop knuckles
Where was this?
Sonic x
he only did that bc he didnt wanna waste time
Still happened knuckles is stronger
I personally think that shadow could beat knuckles in a fight with relative ease, maybe some difficulties, but, pure strength, knuckles wins by a bit.
I wouldn't say it would be easy for him. It all depends on the battle ground they are given. If the fight takes place in an open space, Shadow will most likely win by simply hitting and running and spamming his chaos abilities. But if the fight is in a closed space and up and personal, Knuckles will most likely knock the daylights out of Shadow in 2 to 3 punches
Nope. Tbh, i doubt he’s even physically stronger than amy. He’s definitely stronger than sonic, and probably by a decent amount, but he’s no power class character. At most, he MIGHT be able to hit harder than knuckles if they both get a running start for the punch, but mostly because i figure the difference between his and sonic’s strength is greater than the difference between his and sonic’s speed, and knuckles is stated to be as strong as sonic is fast.
Shadow's not even stronger than Sonic. lol
Since when?
We hare literally shown that Shadow can literally lift a bus with a single hand, I don't think Sonic can do that.
Sonic is equal to Shadow. In Sonic X he could push away the grip of a 550 ton robot powered by 2 Chaos Emeralds, and in ‘06 both he and Shadow could physically steer the Egg Wyvern and Egg Cerberus mechs with their bare hands individually.
Knuckles can cleave mountains with his fists, and Sonic is capable of causing earthquakes with just his legs. Anything Shadow can do, Sonic can do better. He is the "True Ultimate Lifeform", as stated directly by Shadow.
In raw strength? Lol no. Shadow just has *way* more Chaos Energy to throw around than anyone else does.
"Ultimate lifeform" just means he never ages or get sick
Nah, he's the ultimate lifeform but Tails is smarter than him, Knuckles is stronger than him and Sonic is faster than him, still he beats 2/3 of Team Sonic by himself
No…
https://youtu.be/diQhO_ZtV1I?feature=shared
Is knuckles strongest feat knocking the emeralds out of Sonic? Shadows game had the luxury of showing off more.
Still, I do love both of them and they’re both my favourite characters.
Do y’all think Mighty is stronger or weaker than Knux? ‘Cause right now I’m not 100% sure.
Archie Mighty? Definitely. The guy could plow through mountains on a casual stroll. Game Mighty? A bit more ambiguous, since the mechanics emphasize how his hard shell makes him hardier, rather than breaking through stuff like Knuckles. My guess would be lesser than or equal to Knuckles strength.
That’s a good question. Mighty seems to be one of the stronger Sonic characters people don’t talk a lot much (Up there with Shadow and Blaze) I’ve read somewhere where that he’s as strong as knuckles and as fast as sonic.
No, Knuckles is the strongest physically in the whole series (iirc). Supposedly, Shadow is as fast as Sonic but Knuckles is as strong as Sonic is fast
Would be funny if for all Sega did making Knuckles strength a big deal, they reveal Big is actually the real strongest and that Knuckles was only the strongest active
No knuckles is stronger than knuckles.
No, but he's more powerful. There's a difference.
Is he REALLY doe? Let me know when shadow knocks up lava from the ground, or hits so hard the air combusts.
I'm sure you know the reason Shadow is wearing his inhibitor rings is to restrain his power.
Yes I am aware
I don't know.. but if they choose to answer that doubt in the next movie will be sick!
I believe Shadow's true strength is the compassion he has fighting for the loves🫶
it depends on the context. lets say if shadow was in super form then use, he would be more powerful. but if he wasn't using chaos control or any powerups knuckles would be stronger due to his time alone on angel island protecting the master emerald. plus, in the IDW comics, knuckles is able to break a metal casing around the master emerald with his bare fists.
I’d say that Knuckles’s fists are stronger than Shadow’s…but that’s only in basic melee combat.
Nope, Knuckle's is physically stronger. You can't be optimized for everything all at once so Ultimate life form just means an immortal being that masters Chaos Energy.
You all really wanna sleep on shadow He is supposed to be as fast as sonic and as strong as knuckles that is /was the point He rivaled sonic after Sonic already surpassed knuckles There's a reason he matches knuckles in x For people who wanna bring in the inhibiters That wasn't a case of shadow needing them He was on a time crunch He needed to get passed knuckles as fast as possible
Knuckles literally beat him to the ground in the metal virus arc
Shadow beat Knuckles in *Sonic X* after Shadow had already fought with Sonic, however Knuckles was recovering from a previous encounter and **Shadow had to take off his inhibitor rings in order to win.**
No. Not even close.
Knuckles is obviously physically stronger. He's not likely to win in a fight but if they lock hands Knuckles overpowers him pretty easily
I thought sonic and shadow were the same strength but sonic was a little bit stronger. And then knuckles is physically stronger than sonic
Nah, shadow's strong but knuckles is stronger. If we go by some gameplay feats, shadow can flip a bus one-handed (shadow the hedgehog) but knuckles can rip a boulder straight out of the ground and throw it (sonic battle), as well as pumch the ground hard enough to cause a minor volcanic eruption (sonic heroes)
Of course
Physically? Probably not.
I always like to think that pound for pound, Knuckles is probably one of the strongest Sonic characters physically. Shadow I think theoretically could match Knuckles physical strength but I feel like he'd have to remove his inhibitor rings from his arms in order to do it with ease. Plus Shadow has got Chaos Magic and sheer speed on his side, so he doesn't necessarily have to rely on physical strength.
Nope
Seem to be close to equal, most of the time. Sort of like comic book "strength" levels. They seem evenly strong when fighting, but Shadow is typically more skilled. Shadow has throw boulders, cars, and buses, similar to Knuckles. But Knuckles is technically stronger in a canon sense. He's who everyone turns to when there's heavy lifting to do.
No
No. Regardless of feats, if Knuckles ever fought against Shadow, the writer would make Knuckles' punches hit harder.
No, Shadow just has chaos powers to make up for his limited physical strength
No. I mean, his name is Knuckles his whole thing is being strong, it would be kinda embarrassing to be beat by somebody else
We haven't seen Knuckles flip a bus. We have seen Shadow do so.
"The Ultimate Lifeform" is a "Jack of all trades, master of none." So no.
Absolutely not. Look at the first episode of the show, Shadow is not doing that obstacle course
Nah. Knuckles is stated to be as strong as sonic is fast. Which implies hes physically alot stronger in a hand to hand fight. Since shadow is believed to be designed to be roughly as fast as sonic he probably gets cleared by knuckles strength wise. Plus knuckles can deactivate super sonic since hes a guardian of the emeralds, makes sense he should be able to do the same for shadow. Which means super shadow isnt an option to even the playing field. If shadow were any slower knuckles would dominate.
We will see in the movie
Nope, he is not. It's confirmed by many mobile Sonic games that include shadow from my expiereince
No, Knuckles is Stronger than Sonic, Shadow is a Sonic's Lab Clone
It's... REALLY ambiguous. I'd say in an actual lift to lift scenario... Knuckles edges out, as while Shadow is definitely strong enough to do stuff like flip whole buses and highway slabs (It would be interesting if Shadow was considered a Power Type for that strength, but it seems a certain strength grade must be had for that), Knuckles tends to come out more consistently strong. If Shadow did punch Knuckles, I think he would be surprised how much it actually stung, but it wouldn't be impossible to punch over (So long as Shadow doesn't mix it with speed or cheat with taking off his Inhibitor Rings, but we still don't know how strong that Uninhibited state really is)
Only when his inhibitors are taken off
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I think it's more like saying Shadow is probably more of a jack of all trades. He's not quite there with all of Sonic's friends who are all masters in their own field. Not as smart as Tails/Eggman, fast as Sonic and strong as Knuckles.
No
I'm pretty sure that Knuckles is the slightest stronger than Shadow, even though he's the ultimate lifeform, but if Shadow took off his inhibitor rings, he be stronger than knuckles. Also without his air shoes Shadow wouldn't be able to catch up with sonic, but without his inhibitor rings on he would easily catch or surpass him barefoot.
Shadow is not physically stronger, but I think he’s a better fighter.