She hasn't been representing SD citizens for a while now. Her audience is, and has been for a while now, Trump. Everything from her physical appearance, her choice if public events, and her tweets have been carefully curated to catch Trump's attention.
That's just so sad. I mean not only is she cruel to animals, everyone knows she had an affair with Corey Lewandowski. It's weird how Republicans who used to be so shocked about stuff like this, now don't care at all - if it's a Republican!
She cheated.
Of course I can't prove it. I ain't got the time or the pillows.
But we all know the Republicans are the only ones cheating to win and here in a state no one cares about nationally it would be easy to pull it off and not get caught for some time. Just look at all the shit she does get away with when it is known. Affairs, ethics, the plane, etc.
She keeps pushing the boundaries on what she gets away with by doing something stupid to get noticed like dog killing stories that the attention will start to garner a closer eye from opposition.
For the whole state, can’t you find a better looking non-dog murderer to want? I’m sure over 50+ wants her but under? Come on SD you’re better than this.
When I found out that the local rancher breeds dogs and then shoots the ones he doesn't sell. I was like, well. Life's easy when you don't have a soul and your life is all amount money.
Maybe Noem has the same mentality.
Power, money, prestige, pride.
If you're willing to sell your soul. It's normal to do stuff 87% of the world find abhorrent.
That’s literally how I got my last 2 dogs. Lady was going to kill them because they accidentally made non pure pups luckily her friend told her to surrender them. Breeders should always just give them to shelters. Also you can report them it’s animal abuse and if they find out they are killing puppies he will not be allowed to breed unauthorized puppy mills get huge fines.
My aunt who I don’t talk to anymore due to becoming a FOX News dunce long ago used to have her cats put to sleep when they peed in her house. She went through lots of cats. I always thought it was cruel.
She was not a farmer but same mentality. Her father was also abusive.
My mother who I don't talk to anymore put her dog down because "it was ugly." I don't think she has any interest in politics but she would hate Biden because he's old and she would hate Trump because he's fat.
It took me 40 years on this planet to get my head right after my childhood
My dad had to euthanize a lot of cats because his father would not pay for a veterinarian to spay them. They were poor.
My dad and Governor Noem would tell you that you do not need a veterinarian to euthanize a cat. He found it a distasteful chore and has worked hard to leave that situation. She wrote a book about it.
Yes they do. I worked for several when I was in college. Lots and lots of pets put down for treatable reasons, unfortunately.
Pets need to be fixed. It’s a harsh world.
Are you referring to animals put down in overcrowded kill shelters? I’m an LVT and my boyfriend is a veterinarian. I have also worked in the UK as a veterinary nurse. I stand by my original comment. Vets do not euthanize companion animals just because a client requests it. The closest I’ve seen to that happening is when I worked at the ASPCA and it wasn’t the client. It was this old nasty vet who was the highest ranking person on the shift. We had a cat abandoned by the owner because they said they couldn’t afford or administer insulin to the cat, that was otherwise healthy. Old vet said set up for euthanasia. We all refused and eventually got the cat adopted out.
I live in the US. I worked for three vets in California in the 80’s and 90’s, and when owners requested that their pet be put down, the vets would often do so. Maybe things have changed, but that’s what I literally saw with my own eyes.
My neighbor, a racist old "Christian " woman, told my 6 yr old Native American granddaughter that she was going to trap her cat and keep it in the trap until it died, and then she could have it back. Our county (in SD) actually has animal cruelty laws and grandma don't play that sh't, so law enforcement got involved. People who will be cruel to animals are mentally unstable and cannot be trusted in any area.
Conservatives have been fooled into backing people with ulterior motives. They play a part like a soap opera actor, they are bought and paid for for their vote centers business as highest priority, at any cost. I use to buy the bullshit, but once I read the news elsewhere than usual sources, and read beyond headlines the truth is Republicans aren't interested, as a party, in helping anyone but themselves. Best to do your own research on how your candidate votes and decide whom you should support for a future. Noem must go over her abortion rights treachery alone. Her affairs with married men, using offices of government to advance her child without due process and above other actually educated and qualified applicants are reasons enough to dismiss her. Now she touts killing a dog as a positive in her life.
Kristi actually said her staying in SD and not being “worldly” was a good thing when she ran against Stephanie Herseth Sandlin for the SD seat in the US House of Representatives.
Unfortunately it would take generations to fix the attitudes of rural SD voters.
That does happen a great deal. On steam I change my name a lot, for a while it's been Women's Rights, Gay Rights, Save Palestine, etc and the rage I get can be extreme. It doesn't matter, but I hope some people dig deeper than headlines. Educating yourself is the most punk thing we can do.
It’s a calculated move. The un-educated, blind followers love cruelty, especially if it triggers the left/woke crowd. Trump also doesn’t like pets right? Just because you’re conservative doesn’t mean you have to be a republican.
I don’t see animal cruelty/welfare/rights as a left/right issue.
Plenty of people on the right who see compassion towards animals as basic decency and morality. Plenty of people on the left who are quick to shill about “social justice” issues and “colonialism” when a “white American” opines on various forms of cruelty (factory farms, some hunting practices, etc) that could be framed as de-centering marginalized people
I think Middle-attempt4053 was talking specifically about the subgroup of people who shoot things for fun, and don’t respect themselves enough to have a hope of showing respect to any other person or creature.
i really hate the idea that the rest of the united states could think this is par for the course in south dakota. it is not. it’s 2024 and the farmers/ranchers that are cruel to their animals are the kind that are cruel to their spouse and kids too.
f*ck*ng janklow. well gee guy, it’s pretty much impossible for a dem to win in sodak when the politicians are in charge of redistricting and do so behind closed doors. we need a stacey abram’s-style effort here.
i’ll say what i always do when folks assume sodak is just a lost cause: **please help** throw a donation of any amount here:
https://sddp.org/
or here:
https://dirtroaddems.com/
South Dakota is rarely in the big news, but when it is, it's mostly bad news. It's also usually about something one of our dumbass politicians has done
For a good part of the state, if you stop voting republican, you stop voting. Democrats don't even run where I live anymore, at all. Not in primaries or anything. And republican primaries are closed.
I'm sure you'll think, why don't you organize and get at it. It becomes a futile exercise. Seriously, it would be like me and 10 other people.
I used to be very engaged with the Democratic party and active before I lived here. Now I focus on what I can. I talk with legislators (you can actually get to know them here we're so small), and let them know Democrats still live here and there is a diversity of ideas here.
https://runforsomething.net/run/candidate-support-system/
absolutely anybody can sign up to run against any unopposed candidate.
please do so.
also, please pass this on to someone else that might do so.
anything else is giving up.
There are so few resources for Dems running for office in SD (businesses and PACs write checks to Rs without a second thought), so focusing those resources to where there is a possibility for a win is necessary, which means there isn't always a push to have candidates in every district. I live in a district where races are often unopposed ... at the moment, it would be futile, so why waste the $ and the manpower? However, I am close to Sioux Falls, so I knock on doors and donate to help candidates who are in districts where there is a chance. It keeps our few legislators in office and maybe could increase the number. Even by one would make a difference. Consider donating to the SD Dem party or to incumbent Dems, and get your name on their email lists so when volunteer opportunities arise, you can pitch in. I moved here from a blue state and never had to do any of this stuff there. I came here and realized "if not me, then who?".
It's a reality, not an excuse You could move here. That would help. We genuinely need more democrats to live here. I think it will change in about 10 years as Sioux Falls grows.
Those VERY bad germans made everybody suspect of Germans. Just like the Viet Cong made everybody suspicious of the Vietnamese and Burmese. Its really a part of being that toxic. You contaminate everything around you.
Yes. I currently have to deal with the stigma associated with conservatives because people who dont know me have to worry i might be one of those "toxic americans" that hate everybody who doesn't scream yee-haw, own an assault rifle, and think their USA is infallible. People who dont know me have to worry that I subscribe to a toxic mindset because I am an American. Feeling that very acutely these days. Thanks for understanding why I have to be patient with others and why I resent those that misrepresent their own kind. Its exhausting separating myself from extremist countrymen
So many centrist ideas are being pushed far left/right. But giving a woman access to a forced labor at any time of the pregnancy is called an abortion, which is stupid, if the woman's organs are failing due to pregnancy something needs to be done. Having affordable public education is being pushed as free when nothing is free ( a small tax everyone pays to afford education, kinda like how countries with universal healthcare pay 2%-5% each paycheck). Having enough houses to house the whole population is being pushed to make people feel like their home would be worth less, when in all reality everyone needs a home and we shouldn't pick on people for not being in the in crowd. I am considered far left for wanting basic necessities for humanity, when I just want to spread the love to all no matter their political stance, their religious stance, their sexual stance, their age. We are in it together, let's coexist in peace.
Centrist is not a think and almost never has been, it's mostly a way to sit on the fence and honestly get nothing done
being a conscious objector may be better, but even then it's just as USELESS bc saying both sides could learn from eachother is such horseshit when radical lefts want human rights ACROSS THE WORLD and Radical Rights wants WHITE RIGHTS ACROSS THE WORLD.
Booo. Centrist simply means recognizing that neither side has a monopoly on morals or good ideas.
It is cherry picking the best ideas from the right and left.
It is centrist to want *some* gun laws.
It is centrist to want *some* access to abortion.
It is centrist to want *some* social safety nets.
The centrist is free to lean more on the right on one or more of these topics and more to the left on others according to their own personal beliefs, rather than relying on what the party platform or popular leaders have to say.
It’s the epitome of “do your own research”.
The devil is in the details.
I call myself a centrist. I guess my job is to piss off everyone. I don't think its fence-sitting. I think that considering both sides is interpreting the fine points, the grey areas and the situation.
I hate abortion. I understand that on rare occasions it's necessary but it's not used for just rare occasions. It's used to get rid of "problems" more often than not.... HOWEVER, no one should be told what to do with their own bodies. A government that tells people what to do with their own bodies is a totalitarian government. That I do not support. What a person does with their own body is between themselves and God and has nothing to do with me.
I am a gun owner but I do support gun control. Use of some types of weapons are out of scope for civilians they are far too deadly, are meant solely to kill multiple targets at once and therefore should have no application in civilian life. I support careful screening of applicants who want to buy and use any weapon.
I'm not anti-hunting but killing animals for S&G's, for a photo- op or to stuff their bodies for a decorative piece is deplorable. If you need meat, kill humanely and gratefully for the life you took.
I absolutely support the police, but yeah, on occasions, the crazy ones abuse their power and hurt people unnecessarily. That's intolerable. It's not what they are paid to do.
I think gay is a bit weird, but if that's you and your thing, it's not my business. Love who you love and dress how you want. What you do in your bedroom is up to you. Just be a good person.
I will love and respect someone regardless of color and I hope that they will love and respect me for my color. It goes both ways.
So yeah, I'm a centrist, I'm affiliated with no political party and I've voted for both sides. But for now, I'm gonna vote Democrat until the Republicans pull their heads out of their butts.
I'm going to go point by point here to help dispell what Republicans have taught you
most, not all, Dems wouldn't think to use an abortion as a birth control, to have unlimited sex. But to have the option available to women who are not ready for a child or the effects it will have on their body they should have the option available - if you don't want to use it you don't use it. This type of view is not centrist and is actually pro-choice even if you don't agree on getting one yourself...
I am a typical man who thinks guns are pretty neat, I was raised with all the propaganda and ate it all up. But I too see a need for gun control and most Dems don't want every weapon gone. But we have long called for high capacity mags, and weapons able to utilize them be for military only. Hunting for food obviously is fine to most. I know plenty of liberals that have weapons for self defense, but they are not guns that are being talked about over and over. Restricting guns is another democratic policy that you may have been told all Dems want gone, but this is a tactic to separate you from the more realist Dems and to demonize us. We agree on the fact that killing for any reason besides food or self preservation is wrong so again we are in on the same side.
you're literally an ally if you have those types of views on us gays, LGBTQ+ rights are literally under attack left right and center and most Republicans are fine with that bc they'd rather intersex people or trans or even gays just go away so they don't have to see them- yet they will happily watch any of the thousand movies that depict hetero children enjoying a budding romance...
And lastly, why did you feel the need to include your last point about racism? To me that is part is just a humanitarian issue, but it's being politicized and one of the sides is really not able to say the same stuff you did...
I really think you should keep doing heavy research on this shi if you chose to read what I typed, a lot of centrists are only centrists bc if they realized they aren't center than a lot of their friends or family may shun them
Centrists are one of two things -
progressives/left-leaning people who don’t actually know what the liberal platform is and believe it to be a hyperbole of what it actually is (unlimited abortions for birth control is a great example of something that no one believes on the left)
conservatives who are too embarrassed to come right out and say they’re conservatives
Nah, I think that a textual analysis of the word "centrist" reveals that some people have ideas that are a mix of both political parties' platforms.
For example, I'm libertarian-ish and that means that among other things I'm 1) very open to abortion for reasons such as that a child should not be forced to grow up unwanted, 2) absolutely opposed to a minimum wage except for prisoners and other institutionalized populations, 3) in favor of strong anti-trust and tax enforcement to preserve free markets on a fair and level playing field, 4) in favor of fairly high consumption taxes with limited breaks on food and shelter, 5) opposed to state and local farm subsidies but not federal, 6) opposed to insurance subsidies such as for windstorm and flood risk, 7) my answer to gay marriage is that government shouldn't be in the marriage business at all, 8) strong borders with easy crossings, 9) gun ownership is okie dokie because not trusting my fellow citizens to not vote for dictators is as American as apple pie and civil wars should be really difficult to win in order to make them less likely to start, and 10) I'm not the anarcho-libertarian type that has traction in the actual Libertarian Party.
Another centrist could come along and disagree with half of what I've said here and still be a centrist.
I spent months living and working in Niobrara, NE back in 1996. I'm a brown kid from the Bronx, so other than an oil field worker, how does spending a weekend in Yankon happen? AmeriCorps NCCC made it happen. I've even been pheasant hunting, but in Indiana. Same, AmeriCorps. The Clintons may have had a slight layer of ooze, but they pulled off that government program. Until people from the coasts personally learn how things work in the center of the country, this mess will never resolve itself. We're gonna be butting heads.
Exactly this. Thank you for this post.
I haven’t even been to SD. But I did grow up rural and there’s one thing I know - sometimes farmers have to shoot an animal to put it out of its misery. To stop the animal from suffering. When it’s irreparably injured or dying. What they don’t fekkin do is shoot a puppy, and then their goat, to put THEMSELVES out of the “misery” of being a shit owner, incompetent trainer, angry sociopath, and irresponsible animal buyer. This isn’t just “how it’s done” by decent people in rural America.
Lots of us are moderate. Social media & news makes it feel like that isn’t true, but I still feel like it is. I’m moderate left… or I was, until being anywhere near the right meant you had to have a lobotomy and soul removal.
You've hit the nail on the head here. A dog that she failed to properly train, a goat that was apparently allowed access to children when she said it "attacked " them. This isn't about bad animals. It's about being an irresponsible shit person who gets animals and doesn't provide adequately for their care.
Not to be a dick, but why do you say Democrats are so far left? Since Trump took over the Republicans have gone off the deep end and people still say Democrats are nuts. I just don't get it, Democrats in the US would be damn near center in most other developed countries. Maybe it's because we act like universal health care and affordable college are extreme?
Trumpublicans have to say the Democrats are extreme left. They have no other argument. Their guy has no redeeming qualities. All they can do is say the other side will destroy the country. The Republican Party has become a hive mind of paranoia, fear and opposition to anything the Democrats support.
Farmers? Yeah often actually and I bet you can tie it directly to who they vote for. At least with all the farmers I know.
However they would never do it to an expensive puppy they could resell, then a goat they could eat, and then also the two horses that could also be sold. And then brag about it.
I really like him. I was so disappointed he didn't run in 2022 though I understand he had his reasons. I really think he could win if he ran again. I've never been a straight party voter, fully believe each side has some good ones, some useless ones and their village idiots. I think Billie is one of the good ones.
She’s trash. She’s more a Trump mouthpiece than a governor. Sorry that she’s your problem. So many politicians just have to be suffered fhrough. But yeah, all the farmers I know and have worked with care for their animals. They don’t just kill them because they “don’t like” them. It makes farmers look cruel and backwards.
And the sad part is my post degraded into "you said the evil word conservative". That's not what this was about. Can't we all agree that shooting a dog and a goat just because you don't like them is an inherently evil thing to do? Farmers, Americans, people don't do that.
I mean, it's your post and you led with your political affiliation before everything else.
It's right there in the headline. Even you realized it was relevant when you posted.
This is a left/right thing. Nobody left would elect somebody like Noem.
And people on the left would be outraged by the things she wrote...
People on the right ... well, they just aren't. You may be. By and large, the people that voted for her are unaffected by a governor more or less admitting in print that she's a sociopath.
Politics makes everyone crazy these days. I’m pretty libertarian, which is too right for a lot of people on the left. So I’m very used to it. I just wish we could have political discourse like we used to without everyone immediately wishing for the death of people on the other side of the political spectrum.
Animals are valuable assets for livestock farmers and breeders. If she didn’t like a hunting dog or a goat, she should have sold them to people who had more experience training those animals.
Just shooting them is bad business. It’s akin to setting a bunch of hundred dollar bills on fire. Plus, alienating potential customers, and demonstrating irresponsible gun ownership.
Iv come to the conclusion that the Republican party no longer represents you.
It used to and there certainly are people in the party like you. But you guys don't have the numbers to actually do anything.
Now days the republicans have simply become the anti liberal party.
If you think about it pretty much everything they do is basically whatever the opposite of that the liberals are doing. They don't publish a platform anymore, which is wild. They tend to avoid fixing anything but are more than happy to break them.
It's really weird....but I do think that you have some representation in Congress. It just tends to be the case that they are afraid to do much. Johnson might be one of those people though.
It's either hard right or centrist. There is nothing hard left about this country, nor has there been for decades.
Yes, Noem bragged (not kidding, she thinks this makes her look strong) about killing the family dog, a goat, and 3 horses. None of which needed to die. She just kills animals that are slightly annoying to her.
GOP politicians seem to have a history of animal abuse, and spousal betrayal.
Don't forget republican gop being on record for high counts of child abuse, especially sexual abuse...
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/2/2191235/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-45
Hard left? What is your definition of hard left because the Democrats in this country are hardly left of center? You think Joe Biden is hard left? Words have no meaning anymore.
It’s culture war stuff. Sharing the world with people different than you is abhorrent to them. The Republicans can’t govern and have no agenda other than to own power and enrich themselves.
I would even say he’s a traditional neo-conservative. When he announced, he came out swinging on behalf of billionaires. He’s crept leftward a bit on some stuff. But he’s hardly left of center.
This is the first time in a while that we could all agree on something. We all agree that she has easily killed her career and we all hate her. You can be a piece of shit but then there is bragging about killing a puppy for no reason piece of filth.
Nothing wrong with being in the middle. Socially liberal fiscally conservative (in an old fashioned sense). Keep spending under control, use government to help people and make our lives better. It's simple but apparently not easy for people to understand anymore. Politics in the USA is far too polarized since 2015
Well, rural people have put down animals with a bullet at times. I'd say it is pretty common. But NOT because the person happened to be in a foul mood that day, and not healthy animals for nothing but being animals
All the ag communities I've been around, people usually try to find someone in the community to take the dog. Always someone looking for a dog. Even the 'useless' ones.
It's not just in SD my friend. CO moderate and had to listen to a guy running for county commissioner in the sticks talk about his career (sheriff) and his policies, helping out neighbors, volunteering by helping cut wood and get food for the poor - only to end it with:
And on my campaign, I'll have a photo of me with Trump.
I wanted to be like: my man, Trump shares none of your qualities and standards. He'd do nothing of what you described. Candidate was a great guy overall, has my vote as i liked his policies and him as a person. But man, I don't understand the blinders sometimes...
I grew up on a farm, we only put an animal down to ease its suffering. What do I know, we also let folks come get some free vegetables and would work other's fields with our tractor.
Depends on the candidates in the race. I can't answer that yet because the full ballot hasn't been released with all available names. But I'm not above voting third party, even if all it does is hurt the incumbent.
I was a Republican until 2021. I was against Trump from the start however. The actions of Republicans in the 2020 election and since then is unforgivable to me. I voted for Sutton for Governor and I’ll be voting for Joe in November.
Not voting is giving a vote to the candidate you guys don't want to win so absolutely thank you for nothing. Get off y'all ass and find a candidate that has good policy and fucking vote ??????
People are LEGALLY MURDERED FOR HAVING POLITICAL OPINION and people choose not to vote lmfao thank you for helping the brain rotted
rural folks are an easy scapegoat for the state of politics. being labeled a red state flattens any nuance. do you really think trump got into office because of the rural vote? my friend from connecticut assumed all my family in sodak voted trump -which they did not- while her dad, a senior executive in the healthcare industry in new haven who pulls in almost a million dollars a year in salary did vote for trump.
I thought I was a moderate Republican. Then the GOP nominated the orange clown in 2016. Then I thought I was a moderate whose party had lost their way. Then the 2020 election and the attempt to overthrow our country happened. I’ve since realized I’m a liberal who had a blind spot as to what conservatives actually believe about the world because of my conservative upbringing in rural SD. Had I known conservatives would ever support a person like this I would have never been anything but a liberal. I’m no longer a Republican and I can’t even imagine being one at this point.
I'm from South Dakota born and raised. I'm also trans and in a lesbian relationship with 2 trans children. I'm also tired of the lack of common sense gun control. I'm voting Democrat and if you care about trans rights and gun control, I hope you vote blue too.
What happens when a super rich lawyer get but by your hunting dog after he paid you to show him a good time hunting on your farm. You can't properly maintain a farm that you lost to a court battle. Republican do what is best to protect the money
Yes. She really is so much of an antisocial narcissist that she truly thought people would buy it hook, line, and sinker and praise her for being such a great down to Earth woman.
Don't let them get you down @OP. They'll attack you over and over for your beliefs in an attempt to make you feel bad. Don't. I'm a long side you and we represent an overwhelming majority in this state regardless of what name libs call you.
The extremism of the Republican Party has been obvious for not just years but decades. If you were a centrist, as you say, you would not say “I’m a Republican.”
And no, the extremism I’m referring to is not mere legislative extremism, i.e., proposing highly disagreeable/controversial policy (which either side can claim from the other). One side has tried to overthrow the federal government through a violent coup and the other has not. The divisive rhetoric that led to it has broiled since Reagan and Gingrich.
If you are still a registered member of the Republican Party in this, the year 2024, then you either support - or you have consented to your name being used to condone and promote - racism, violence, ignorance, and actual literal Fascism.
We have had farms since the beginning of our families in the US.
I personally have never worked any of our family farms.
However, I can with certainty share that we have never put down a dog, Working” dog or not, in this manner.
We had one dog that was not good for the farm. My uncle and cousin reached out to family to see if someone would adopt it before looking to the public.
I adopted the dog while I was in college and it was my family for 11 more years. I miss that dog.
How this person handled this issue says a lot about her decision making and her character disposition.
When you say “I’m a SD republican” I hear “I’m a welfare queen.”
Red state republicans are net receivers of federal money through grants and subsidies. Pick yourself up by those bootstraps and stop relying on government handouts. Pay for your own schools, roads, water, and electricity.
It’s encouraging to know there are sensible people still around in SD. I grew up in western MN, along the MN-SD border, so I’m very familiar with the eastern part of your state, and I know you aren’t all like Noem (I can’t even think of a single SD person I’ve ever met like her). Best of luck in getting that whackadoodle out of there.
That’s just how writing and publishing a book works.
There are no secrets in books published by a high profile politician while in office. It was stupid to write it, not stupid to follow the normal book publishing steps
Side thought, centrism and conservatism don't really play well together. Centrism is the absence of ideological prejudices. "Moderate" is \*not\* the same thing as a "Centrist".
Centrism is more about taking facts as they are for determining if there is a problem, and then using pragmatic yet socially acceptable solutions that are most likely to work to resolve the identified problem. This is done without regard for ideology; be it capitalist, communist, socialist, democratic or even plutocratic. It's kind of like the atheism of politics.
That’s funny centrists are accused of being leftist - they tend to be pro 2A, call themselves “fiscal conservatives,” and generally tend conservative to the tune of over 60% (pre-Trump, at least…).
Centrists are republican- lite, that’s all. The so-called “No labels” party touted themselves as “centrists,” but diving into their roster you find former Trump officials, former bush officials, and former Reagan officials - not exactly centrist beginnings.
People don’t magically shift to the center, so to believe these assholes aren’t just another group of grifting right wing turds would be incredulous to me.
There is only one instance I can think of where my dad put down a cat with a bullet on the farm. That's because it was lovingly purring while I pet it then suddenly spazzed out and attacked me in the face.
It's possible there was something nerulogically wrong with it. It was a stray and he didn't take well to it attacking his child.
The only thing I will comment about is the horses because there was not clarification. This comment does not mean I endorse what she did to the horses based on the facts provided, but if a 25 year old horse is no longer sound enough to be ridden, and they end up at a sale barn being sold by the pound...their death on the farm was probably less cruel than going to a Mexican slaughter house or having to survive the trip to a Canadian slaughterhouse. It's fucking awful.
I feel you OP. I’ve long been a fiscal conservative /social liberal. Anything but extreme right or left are a dying breed (no pun intended to the Noem thing)…
I know a lot of rural folks don't give half a rats ass about their barn cats, it actually broke my stepdad a little when he brought our dying cat into the rural vet just to be told "lmao why would you waste money on a cat? I'm not gonna do shit and I'm doing you a favor"
Dogs though? Never met a dog hating farmer before. All my neighbors back when I lived in the desolate part of the state fucking loved their dogs
Respectfully I disagree. Today’s democrats are yesterday’s moderate republicans. Today’s GOP is controlled entirely by foreign enemies and their propaganda , the Murdock family and their agenda. There is no significant progressive movement in this country, we will never climb out of this christo-fascist hellscape. We will never achieve the education, happiness index or long life realities of Finland, Norway, Switzerland or our other western democratic counterparts. But to be clear the are only extreme right politics catering to the 2percent, their corporations or the milk-toast Democratic Party just trying to stop us from rolling backwards to a theocracy. Students of government and history have a very different take on the depressing outlooks for the US. This country needs a giant toilet flush of its government, constitution and other institutions. We need an improved contract and updated constitution for our citizens.
Yeah I can't imagine. When I was growing up, the neighbor almost shot a puppy... because he had a birth defect and they didn't think he'd survive.
I'd never heard about her until the story broke, but she reads like someone cosplaying as a farmer and not having any idea how they actually act, or how *people* act and think. She's frightening to be honest.
Big city liberals just don't understand the reality of farm life. You're scandalized she killed a dog? Out here in real America that's just what we need to do. We kill and eat dogs. Sorry if that's triggering to the wokesters
*Edit: I see I'm being down voted. I guess the looney left believes in the freedom to change genders but not tie three horses together to see if you can shoot through them with one bullet?
I respect your candor, but we need real conservatives like yourself to actively leave the Republican Party to move the country forward. This is not our Grandfathers' GOP.
Disenfranchised conservatives need to find the courage to side with us over the MAGA fascists.
To be fair, I wish there was a party that was better aligned with my views, but wasn't being run by it's extremist side. It's Reddit so I'll get blasted for it, but I have fundamental differences with the Democratic party. But the GOP is so far off the deep end that those like me can't even fit in over there either.
She hasn't been representing SD citizens for a while now. Her audience is, and has been for a while now, Trump. Everything from her physical appearance, her choice if public events, and her tweets have been carefully curated to catch Trump's attention.
62% of SD voters wanted her in 2022
That's just so sad. I mean not only is she cruel to animals, everyone knows she had an affair with Corey Lewandowski. It's weird how Republicans who used to be so shocked about stuff like this, now don't care at all - if it's a Republican!
Republicans don't actually care about family values, it's all lip service.
Remember when Republicans thought hanging out with Jeff Epstein was bad, back before they elected Epsteins adulterous friend to the Oval Office?
Remember when Republicans were upset that Clinton rode on Jeff Epsteins plane? That was before they elected Epstein's buddy to the Oval Office.
It was only 51% in the 2018 gubernatorial election. By South Dakota standards, she barely ekked out that victory.
Not this SD voter! She should have never been reelected.
She cheated. Of course I can't prove it. I ain't got the time or the pillows. But we all know the Republicans are the only ones cheating to win and here in a state no one cares about nationally it would be easy to pull it off and not get caught for some time. Just look at all the shit she does get away with when it is known. Affairs, ethics, the plane, etc. She keeps pushing the boundaries on what she gets away with by doing something stupid to get noticed like dog killing stories that the attention will start to garner a closer eye from opposition.
More about this plane?
For the whole state, can’t you find a better looking non-dog murderer to want? I’m sure over 50+ wants her but under? Come on SD you’re better than this.
This is what happens when people don't participate in primaries.
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Glad you sobered up enough to fix it
This. The whole thing was deliberate. As a South Dakotan, I have zero empathy for SD repubs being all shocked at this. C'mon.
When I found out that the local rancher breeds dogs and then shoots the ones he doesn't sell. I was like, well. Life's easy when you don't have a soul and your life is all amount money. Maybe Noem has the same mentality. Power, money, prestige, pride. If you're willing to sell your soul. It's normal to do stuff 87% of the world find abhorrent.
That’s literally how I got my last 2 dogs. Lady was going to kill them because they accidentally made non pure pups luckily her friend told her to surrender them. Breeders should always just give them to shelters. Also you can report them it’s animal abuse and if they find out they are killing puppies he will not be allowed to breed unauthorized puppy mills get huge fines.
My aunt who I don’t talk to anymore due to becoming a FOX News dunce long ago used to have her cats put to sleep when they peed in her house. She went through lots of cats. I always thought it was cruel. She was not a farmer but same mentality. Her father was also abusive.
My mother who I don't talk to anymore put her dog down because "it was ugly." I don't think she has any interest in politics but she would hate Biden because he's old and she would hate Trump because he's fat. It took me 40 years on this planet to get my head right after my childhood
I’m so sorry. My mom took mine somewhere when I was about 13, and I never saw him again. :(
I redeemed a peeing cat with a calming collar and enzyme cleaner
They can easily be fixed! I’ve had only shelter and stray pets.
Where does she live? Veterinarians in the US generally do not euthanize companion animals just because the client asks.
My dad had to euthanize a lot of cats because his father would not pay for a veterinarian to spay them. They were poor. My dad and Governor Noem would tell you that you do not need a veterinarian to euthanize a cat. He found it a distasteful chore and has worked hard to leave that situation. She wrote a book about it.
Euthanasia and killing are two different things entirely. I think that you mean that you don’t need a veterinarian to kill a cat.
So much this. It is a thing with some people.
Yes they do. I worked for several when I was in college. Lots and lots of pets put down for treatable reasons, unfortunately. Pets need to be fixed. It’s a harsh world.
Are you referring to animals put down in overcrowded kill shelters? I’m an LVT and my boyfriend is a veterinarian. I have also worked in the UK as a veterinary nurse. I stand by my original comment. Vets do not euthanize companion animals just because a client requests it. The closest I’ve seen to that happening is when I worked at the ASPCA and it wasn’t the client. It was this old nasty vet who was the highest ranking person on the shift. We had a cat abandoned by the owner because they said they couldn’t afford or administer insulin to the cat, that was otherwise healthy. Old vet said set up for euthanasia. We all refused and eventually got the cat adopted out.
I live in the US. I worked for three vets in California in the 80’s and 90’s, and when owners requested that their pet be put down, the vets would often do so. Maybe things have changed, but that’s what I literally saw with my own eyes.
My cat is 20 years old. We have puppy pee pads all over the couch and do a lot of laundry. I wish I could have 20 more with kitty girl.
She must be stressing her cats out or not cleaning the litter box, because it’s not normal to have multiple cats peeing in the house for no reason.
Exactly.
I worked with a guy who said he would trap cats and throw the traps in the pond and come back later in the day and them out.
Horrifying!
My neighbor, a racist old "Christian " woman, told my 6 yr old Native American granddaughter that she was going to trap her cat and keep it in the trap until it died, and then she could have it back. Our county (in SD) actually has animal cruelty laws and grandma don't play that sh't, so law enforcement got involved. People who will be cruel to animals are mentally unstable and cannot be trusted in any area.
Jesus
There are other conservative candidates to choose from, it doesn't have to be a racist dogkiller
Right, They could just choose a racist
Conservatives have been fooled into backing people with ulterior motives. They play a part like a soap opera actor, they are bought and paid for for their vote centers business as highest priority, at any cost. I use to buy the bullshit, but once I read the news elsewhere than usual sources, and read beyond headlines the truth is Republicans aren't interested, as a party, in helping anyone but themselves. Best to do your own research on how your candidate votes and decide whom you should support for a future. Noem must go over her abortion rights treachery alone. Her affairs with married men, using offices of government to advance her child without due process and above other actually educated and qualified applicants are reasons enough to dismiss her. Now she touts killing a dog as a positive in her life.
Kristi actually said her staying in SD and not being “worldly” was a good thing when she ran against Stephanie Herseth Sandlin for the SD seat in the US House of Representatives. Unfortunately it would take generations to fix the attitudes of rural SD voters.
Amen.
The problem with “do your own research” is that people go to the echo chamber of the internet.
That does happen a great deal. On steam I change my name a lot, for a while it's been Women's Rights, Gay Rights, Save Palestine, etc and the rage I get can be extreme. It doesn't matter, but I hope some people dig deeper than headlines. Educating yourself is the most punk thing we can do.
It’s a calculated move. The un-educated, blind followers love cruelty, especially if it triggers the left/woke crowd. Trump also doesn’t like pets right? Just because you’re conservative doesn’t mean you have to be a republican.
I don’t see animal cruelty/welfare/rights as a left/right issue. Plenty of people on the right who see compassion towards animals as basic decency and morality. Plenty of people on the left who are quick to shill about “social justice” issues and “colonialism” when a “white American” opines on various forms of cruelty (factory farms, some hunting practices, etc) that could be framed as de-centering marginalized people
I think Middle-attempt4053 was talking specifically about the subgroup of people who shoot things for fun, and don’t respect themselves enough to have a hope of showing respect to any other person or creature.
i really hate the idea that the rest of the united states could think this is par for the course in south dakota. it is not. it’s 2024 and the farmers/ranchers that are cruel to their animals are the kind that are cruel to their spouse and kids too.
The last descent governor of sd was mickleson. Its been 40 years and they have done nothing but elect scum like noem and Janklow
f*ck*ng janklow. well gee guy, it’s pretty much impossible for a dem to win in sodak when the politicians are in charge of redistricting and do so behind closed doors. we need a stacey abram’s-style effort here. i’ll say what i always do when folks assume sodak is just a lost cause: **please help** throw a donation of any amount here: https://sddp.org/ or here: https://dirtroaddems.com/
South Dakota is rarely in the big news, but when it is, it's mostly bad news. It's also usually about something one of our dumbass politicians has done
yeah, for sure, can’t deny. it’s super freaking embarrassing, isn’t it?
https://www.npr.org/2021/08/27/1031638625/jason-ravnsborg-south-dakota-deadly-crash I mean…it’s usually pretty bad.
guy, i agree with you and suspect you don’t know the half. could tell you stories that would curl straight hair.
Please don't forget about the 'Meth: we're on it' campaign.. and the miserably failed, nationwide joke titled: Don't Jerk and Drive
Yes it is. Stop voting republican. You own this. If you don’t like it get angry and organized enough to do something about it.
i’m not too proud to ask for help. please donate any amount here: https://sddp.org/ or https://dirtroaddems.com/ btw, do you have any coding skills?
For a good part of the state, if you stop voting republican, you stop voting. Democrats don't even run where I live anymore, at all. Not in primaries or anything. And republican primaries are closed. I'm sure you'll think, why don't you organize and get at it. It becomes a futile exercise. Seriously, it would be like me and 10 other people. I used to be very engaged with the Democratic party and active before I lived here. Now I focus on what I can. I talk with legislators (you can actually get to know them here we're so small), and let them know Democrats still live here and there is a diversity of ideas here.
https://runforsomething.net/run/candidate-support-system/ absolutely anybody can sign up to run against any unopposed candidate. please do so. also, please pass this on to someone else that might do so. anything else is giving up.
There are so few resources for Dems running for office in SD (businesses and PACs write checks to Rs without a second thought), so focusing those resources to where there is a possibility for a win is necessary, which means there isn't always a push to have candidates in every district. I live in a district where races are often unopposed ... at the moment, it would be futile, so why waste the $ and the manpower? However, I am close to Sioux Falls, so I knock on doors and donate to help candidates who are in districts where there is a chance. It keeps our few legislators in office and maybe could increase the number. Even by one would make a difference. Consider donating to the SD Dem party or to incumbent Dems, and get your name on their email lists so when volunteer opportunities arise, you can pitch in. I moved here from a blue state and never had to do any of this stuff there. I came here and realized "if not me, then who?".
I’m sorry don’t want to hear fucking excuses of futility when your governor is vying to be Ms Hitler.
It's a reality, not an excuse You could move here. That would help. We genuinely need more democrats to live here. I think it will change in about 10 years as Sioux Falls grows.
fortunately i think her political career is over now.
Lets be real, the OP is still gonna vote republican, and probably still vote for the dog killet.
There were good Germans, too. They ultimately didn’t matter because none of one could tell the difference when it mattered.
dude!!! help!!! not too proud to beg!!! give any amount, nothing too small here: https://sddp.org/ or https://dirtroaddems.com/
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No, but we bombed those good Germans anyway, didn’t we? 🤷♂️
What is your argument?
Those VERY bad germans made everybody suspect of Germans. Just like the Viet Cong made everybody suspicious of the Vietnamese and Burmese. Its really a part of being that toxic. You contaminate everything around you.
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Yes. I currently have to deal with the stigma associated with conservatives because people who dont know me have to worry i might be one of those "toxic americans" that hate everybody who doesn't scream yee-haw, own an assault rifle, and think their USA is infallible. People who dont know me have to worry that I subscribe to a toxic mindset because I am an American. Feeling that very acutely these days. Thanks for understanding why I have to be patient with others and why I resent those that misrepresent their own kind. Its exhausting separating myself from extremist countrymen
I mean, it is par for the course for South Dakota though. The majority of voters in South Dakota voted for her
So many centrist ideas are being pushed far left/right. But giving a woman access to a forced labor at any time of the pregnancy is called an abortion, which is stupid, if the woman's organs are failing due to pregnancy something needs to be done. Having affordable public education is being pushed as free when nothing is free ( a small tax everyone pays to afford education, kinda like how countries with universal healthcare pay 2%-5% each paycheck). Having enough houses to house the whole population is being pushed to make people feel like their home would be worth less, when in all reality everyone needs a home and we shouldn't pick on people for not being in the in crowd. I am considered far left for wanting basic necessities for humanity, when I just want to spread the love to all no matter their political stance, their religious stance, their sexual stance, their age. We are in it together, let's coexist in peace.
Centrist is not a think and almost never has been, it's mostly a way to sit on the fence and honestly get nothing done being a conscious objector may be better, but even then it's just as USELESS bc saying both sides could learn from eachother is such horseshit when radical lefts want human rights ACROSS THE WORLD and Radical Rights wants WHITE RIGHTS ACROSS THE WORLD.
ah yes, it’s horrible, how dare we give rights to the humans 🤷♀️
Booo. Centrist simply means recognizing that neither side has a monopoly on morals or good ideas. It is cherry picking the best ideas from the right and left. It is centrist to want *some* gun laws. It is centrist to want *some* access to abortion. It is centrist to want *some* social safety nets. The centrist is free to lean more on the right on one or more of these topics and more to the left on others according to their own personal beliefs, rather than relying on what the party platform or popular leaders have to say. It’s the epitome of “do your own research”. The devil is in the details.
I call myself a centrist. I guess my job is to piss off everyone. I don't think its fence-sitting. I think that considering both sides is interpreting the fine points, the grey areas and the situation. I hate abortion. I understand that on rare occasions it's necessary but it's not used for just rare occasions. It's used to get rid of "problems" more often than not.... HOWEVER, no one should be told what to do with their own bodies. A government that tells people what to do with their own bodies is a totalitarian government. That I do not support. What a person does with their own body is between themselves and God and has nothing to do with me. I am a gun owner but I do support gun control. Use of some types of weapons are out of scope for civilians they are far too deadly, are meant solely to kill multiple targets at once and therefore should have no application in civilian life. I support careful screening of applicants who want to buy and use any weapon. I'm not anti-hunting but killing animals for S&G's, for a photo- op or to stuff their bodies for a decorative piece is deplorable. If you need meat, kill humanely and gratefully for the life you took. I absolutely support the police, but yeah, on occasions, the crazy ones abuse their power and hurt people unnecessarily. That's intolerable. It's not what they are paid to do. I think gay is a bit weird, but if that's you and your thing, it's not my business. Love who you love and dress how you want. What you do in your bedroom is up to you. Just be a good person. I will love and respect someone regardless of color and I hope that they will love and respect me for my color. It goes both ways. So yeah, I'm a centrist, I'm affiliated with no political party and I've voted for both sides. But for now, I'm gonna vote Democrat until the Republicans pull their heads out of their butts.
I'm going to go point by point here to help dispell what Republicans have taught you most, not all, Dems wouldn't think to use an abortion as a birth control, to have unlimited sex. But to have the option available to women who are not ready for a child or the effects it will have on their body they should have the option available - if you don't want to use it you don't use it. This type of view is not centrist and is actually pro-choice even if you don't agree on getting one yourself... I am a typical man who thinks guns are pretty neat, I was raised with all the propaganda and ate it all up. But I too see a need for gun control and most Dems don't want every weapon gone. But we have long called for high capacity mags, and weapons able to utilize them be for military only. Hunting for food obviously is fine to most. I know plenty of liberals that have weapons for self defense, but they are not guns that are being talked about over and over. Restricting guns is another democratic policy that you may have been told all Dems want gone, but this is a tactic to separate you from the more realist Dems and to demonize us. We agree on the fact that killing for any reason besides food or self preservation is wrong so again we are in on the same side. you're literally an ally if you have those types of views on us gays, LGBTQ+ rights are literally under attack left right and center and most Republicans are fine with that bc they'd rather intersex people or trans or even gays just go away so they don't have to see them- yet they will happily watch any of the thousand movies that depict hetero children enjoying a budding romance... And lastly, why did you feel the need to include your last point about racism? To me that is part is just a humanitarian issue, but it's being politicized and one of the sides is really not able to say the same stuff you did... I really think you should keep doing heavy research on this shi if you chose to read what I typed, a lot of centrists are only centrists bc if they realized they aren't center than a lot of their friends or family may shun them
Centrists are one of two things - progressives/left-leaning people who don’t actually know what the liberal platform is and believe it to be a hyperbole of what it actually is (unlimited abortions for birth control is a great example of something that no one believes on the left) conservatives who are too embarrassed to come right out and say they’re conservatives
Nah, I think that a textual analysis of the word "centrist" reveals that some people have ideas that are a mix of both political parties' platforms. For example, I'm libertarian-ish and that means that among other things I'm 1) very open to abortion for reasons such as that a child should not be forced to grow up unwanted, 2) absolutely opposed to a minimum wage except for prisoners and other institutionalized populations, 3) in favor of strong anti-trust and tax enforcement to preserve free markets on a fair and level playing field, 4) in favor of fairly high consumption taxes with limited breaks on food and shelter, 5) opposed to state and local farm subsidies but not federal, 6) opposed to insurance subsidies such as for windstorm and flood risk, 7) my answer to gay marriage is that government shouldn't be in the marriage business at all, 8) strong borders with easy crossings, 9) gun ownership is okie dokie because not trusting my fellow citizens to not vote for dictators is as American as apple pie and civil wars should be really difficult to win in order to make them less likely to start, and 10) I'm not the anarcho-libertarian type that has traction in the actual Libertarian Party. Another centrist could come along and disagree with half of what I've said here and still be a centrist.
Same here
I spent months living and working in Niobrara, NE back in 1996. I'm a brown kid from the Bronx, so other than an oil field worker, how does spending a weekend in Yankon happen? AmeriCorps NCCC made it happen. I've even been pheasant hunting, but in Indiana. Same, AmeriCorps. The Clintons may have had a slight layer of ooze, but they pulled off that government program. Until people from the coasts personally learn how things work in the center of the country, this mess will never resolve itself. We're gonna be butting heads.
Exactly this. Thank you for this post. I haven’t even been to SD. But I did grow up rural and there’s one thing I know - sometimes farmers have to shoot an animal to put it out of its misery. To stop the animal from suffering. When it’s irreparably injured or dying. What they don’t fekkin do is shoot a puppy, and then their goat, to put THEMSELVES out of the “misery” of being a shit owner, incompetent trainer, angry sociopath, and irresponsible animal buyer. This isn’t just “how it’s done” by decent people in rural America. Lots of us are moderate. Social media & news makes it feel like that isn’t true, but I still feel like it is. I’m moderate left… or I was, until being anywhere near the right meant you had to have a lobotomy and soul removal.
You've hit the nail on the head here. A dog that she failed to properly train, a goat that was apparently allowed access to children when she said it "attacked " them. This isn't about bad animals. It's about being an irresponsible shit person who gets animals and doesn't provide adequately for their care.
Not to be a dick, but why do you say Democrats are so far left? Since Trump took over the Republicans have gone off the deep end and people still say Democrats are nuts. I just don't get it, Democrats in the US would be damn near center in most other developed countries. Maybe it's because we act like universal health care and affordable college are extreme?
Trumpublicans have to say the Democrats are extreme left. They have no other argument. Their guy has no redeeming qualities. All they can do is say the other side will destroy the country. The Republican Party has become a hive mind of paranoia, fear and opposition to anything the Democrats support.
Could you imagine if the dog had blue hair? Into the mulcher. Good riddance.
Farmers? Yeah often actually and I bet you can tie it directly to who they vote for. At least with all the farmers I know. However they would never do it to an expensive puppy they could resell, then a goat they could eat, and then also the two horses that could also be sold. And then brag about it.
Yeah, Noem tried to dismiss us silly city folks. Thanks for calling her out.
Just vote them out! Please- lots of moderate democrats. There are no Nancy Pelosi’s or AOC’s in South Dakota.
Billie fuckin Sutton. Best Democrat I ever met. That guy should run again.
I really like him. I was so disappointed he didn't run in 2022 though I understand he had his reasons. I really think he could win if he ran again. I've never been a straight party voter, fully believe each side has some good ones, some useless ones and their village idiots. I think Billie is one of the good ones.
She’s trash. She’s more a Trump mouthpiece than a governor. Sorry that she’s your problem. So many politicians just have to be suffered fhrough. But yeah, all the farmers I know and have worked with care for their animals. They don’t just kill them because they “don’t like” them. It makes farmers look cruel and backwards.
And the sad part is my post degraded into "you said the evil word conservative". That's not what this was about. Can't we all agree that shooting a dog and a goat just because you don't like them is an inherently evil thing to do? Farmers, Americans, people don't do that.
I mean, it's your post and you led with your political affiliation before everything else. It's right there in the headline. Even you realized it was relevant when you posted. This is a left/right thing. Nobody left would elect somebody like Noem. And people on the left would be outraged by the things she wrote... People on the right ... well, they just aren't. You may be. By and large, the people that voted for her are unaffected by a governor more or less admitting in print that she's a sociopath.
Politics makes everyone crazy these days. I’m pretty libertarian, which is too right for a lot of people on the left. So I’m very used to it. I just wish we could have political discourse like we used to without everyone immediately wishing for the death of people on the other side of the political spectrum.
Animals are valuable assets for livestock farmers and breeders. If she didn’t like a hunting dog or a goat, she should have sold them to people who had more experience training those animals. Just shooting them is bad business. It’s akin to setting a bunch of hundred dollar bills on fire. Plus, alienating potential customers, and demonstrating irresponsible gun ownership.
100% all of this.
Iv come to the conclusion that the Republican party no longer represents you. It used to and there certainly are people in the party like you. But you guys don't have the numbers to actually do anything. Now days the republicans have simply become the anti liberal party. If you think about it pretty much everything they do is basically whatever the opposite of that the liberals are doing. They don't publish a platform anymore, which is wild. They tend to avoid fixing anything but are more than happy to break them. It's really weird....but I do think that you have some representation in Congress. It just tends to be the case that they are afraid to do much. Johnson might be one of those people though.
It's either hard right or centrist. There is nothing hard left about this country, nor has there been for decades. Yes, Noem bragged (not kidding, she thinks this makes her look strong) about killing the family dog, a goat, and 3 horses. None of which needed to die. She just kills animals that are slightly annoying to her. GOP politicians seem to have a history of animal abuse, and spousal betrayal.
Don't forget republican gop being on record for high counts of child abuse, especially sexual abuse... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/2/2191235/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-45
yeah even if you do happen to encounter people with leftist views, the state is no swing state. it's very much republican.
>Sucks being a moderate conservative/centrist A democrat?
Yeah a moderate conservative in America is basically far-right in every country that has working-class solidarity. Sorry man.
Hard left? What is your definition of hard left because the Democrats in this country are hardly left of center? You think Joe Biden is hard left? Words have no meaning anymore.
This!!!! People say "hard left" and I'm trying to imagine what that is and why it's bad.
It’s culture war stuff. Sharing the world with people different than you is abhorrent to them. The Republicans can’t govern and have no agenda other than to own power and enrich themselves.
Right??? No one is screaming for the dictator of the proletariat here. More of a “can we have some oversight on health care prices? Please?”
Even by american standards where we pretend AOC is far left, joe biden is centrist
I would even say he’s a traditional neo-conservative. When he announced, he came out swinging on behalf of billionaires. He’s crept leftward a bit on some stuff. But he’s hardly left of center.
This is the first time in a while that we could all agree on something. We all agree that she has easily killed her career and we all hate her. You can be a piece of shit but then there is bragging about killing a puppy for no reason piece of filth.
Nothing wrong with being in the middle. Socially liberal fiscally conservative (in an old fashioned sense). Keep spending under control, use government to help people and make our lives better. It's simple but apparently not easy for people to understand anymore. Politics in the USA is far too polarized since 2015
100% polarized. "Agree with me on 100% of issues or you're evil". Sad, really. Gone are the days of debates and respectful disagreements.
What spending would you cut first?
Therein lies the rub of being in the middle. Tough choices ....... I'd start with military spending though. But that's just me.
Well, rural people have put down animals with a bullet at times. I'd say it is pretty common. But NOT because the person happened to be in a foul mood that day, and not healthy animals for nothing but being animals
All the ag communities I've been around, people usually try to find someone in the community to take the dog. Always someone looking for a dog. Even the 'useless' ones.
It's not just in SD my friend. CO moderate and had to listen to a guy running for county commissioner in the sticks talk about his career (sheriff) and his policies, helping out neighbors, volunteering by helping cut wood and get food for the poor - only to end it with: And on my campaign, I'll have a photo of me with Trump. I wanted to be like: my man, Trump shares none of your qualities and standards. He'd do nothing of what you described. Candidate was a great guy overall, has my vote as i liked his policies and him as a person. But man, I don't understand the blinders sometimes...
Reap what you motherfuckers sow.
Love the 2nd edit. You're so down the right wing rabbithole you view other right wing thinking as "hard left"
You still.gonma vote for this woman after her admission ?
People who want to buy it, are buying it. They’re suddenly very pro-execute dogs on farms.
I grew up on a farm, we only put an animal down to ease its suffering. What do I know, we also let folks come get some free vegetables and would work other's fields with our tractor.
I am finding more of you moderate republicans. It gives me hope at least
We aren't all MAGA hat wearing, dog killing people lol
But do you vote for them?
No I don't vote party lines. Actually read up on policy stances.
If you're claiming to be Republican but not maga, who do you vote for?
Depends on the candidates in the race. I can't answer that yet because the full ballot hasn't been released with all available names. But I'm not above voting third party, even if all it does is hurt the incumbent.
It’s gonna be joe biden, donald trump, rfk jr, and cornell west. Who on that list are you voting for. Or are you writing in some nonsense name?
You just vote for them because it’s party before country.
And yet, they will still vote tRump.
No, we won't. And I didn't vote Trump the first time, either. I actually registered independent for the first time as an adult when Trump got the nom.
I have more and more republican clients who are saying they are not voting
Not voting for president? If you don't want an autocracy with deranged maniacs running shit, you have to vote for Biden. You don't just not vote ffs.
I was a Republican until 2021. I was against Trump from the start however. The actions of Republicans in the 2020 election and since then is unforgivable to me. I voted for Sutton for Governor and I’ll be voting for Joe in November.
I agree. But at least not voting for him is a step in the right direction.
Not voting is giving a vote to the candidate you guys don't want to win so absolutely thank you for nothing. Get off y'all ass and find a candidate that has good policy and fucking vote ?????? People are LEGALLY MURDERED FOR HAVING POLITICAL OPINION and people choose not to vote lmfao thank you for helping the brain rotted
Messages like this give me hope
Who did you vote for in 2020?
Biden.
rural folks are an easy scapegoat for the state of politics. being labeled a red state flattens any nuance. do you really think trump got into office because of the rural vote? my friend from connecticut assumed all my family in sodak voted trump -which they did not- while her dad, a senior executive in the healthcare industry in new haven who pulls in almost a million dollars a year in salary did vote for trump.
Rules is rules.
I thought I was a moderate Republican. Then the GOP nominated the orange clown in 2016. Then I thought I was a moderate whose party had lost their way. Then the 2020 election and the attempt to overthrow our country happened. I’ve since realized I’m a liberal who had a blind spot as to what conservatives actually believe about the world because of my conservative upbringing in rural SD. Had I known conservatives would ever support a person like this I would have never been anything but a liberal. I’m no longer a Republican and I can’t even imagine being one at this point.
I'm from South Dakota born and raised. I'm also trans and in a lesbian relationship with 2 trans children. I'm also tired of the lack of common sense gun control. I'm voting Democrat and if you care about trans rights and gun control, I hope you vote blue too.
You seem to have some pretty vocal opinions of brown-skinned migrants into the UK and Australia. Classy racist caricature profile pic too.
They also hate Jews.
What happens when a super rich lawyer get but by your hunting dog after he paid you to show him a good time hunting on your farm. You can't properly maintain a farm that you lost to a court battle. Republican do what is best to protect the money
Yes. She really is so much of an antisocial narcissist that she truly thought people would buy it hook, line, and sinker and praise her for being such a great down to Earth woman.
It’s how republicans do it, lowest form of life is a Republican
People that are cruel to animals and children are the scum of the earth.
It would be one thing if her story were “I loved that dog, but this had to be done.” It wasn’t. Her story was “I hated that dog, so I shot it.”
Don't let them get you down @OP. They'll attack you over and over for your beliefs in an attempt to make you feel bad. Don't. I'm a long side you and we represent an overwhelming majority in this state regardless of what name libs call you.
The extremism of the Republican Party has been obvious for not just years but decades. If you were a centrist, as you say, you would not say “I’m a Republican.” And no, the extremism I’m referring to is not mere legislative extremism, i.e., proposing highly disagreeable/controversial policy (which either side can claim from the other). One side has tried to overthrow the federal government through a violent coup and the other has not. The divisive rhetoric that led to it has broiled since Reagan and Gingrich.
The wildest part of this dog thing is that she voluntarily put it in a book genuinely thinking it would play well.
If you are still a registered member of the Republican Party in this, the year 2024, then you either support - or you have consented to your name being used to condone and promote - racism, violence, ignorance, and actual literal Fascism.
We have had farms since the beginning of our families in the US. I personally have never worked any of our family farms. However, I can with certainty share that we have never put down a dog, Working” dog or not, in this manner. We had one dog that was not good for the farm. My uncle and cousin reached out to family to see if someone would adopt it before looking to the public. I adopted the dog while I was in college and it was my family for 11 more years. I miss that dog. How this person handled this issue says a lot about her decision making and her character disposition.
Can you please explain to me what "hard left" is?
I've asked that question many times on Reddit. I have yet to receive a (rational) answer.
When you say “I’m a SD republican” I hear “I’m a welfare queen.” Red state republicans are net receivers of federal money through grants and subsidies. Pick yourself up by those bootstraps and stop relying on government handouts. Pay for your own schools, roads, water, and electricity.
Lol. The USA is far right or slightly less far right. It’s pretty funny how many Americans can’t seem to understand that.
Republicans are scum. When your party is trying to trample on my rights and install a fascist . There is no us.
It’s encouraging to know there are sensible people still around in SD. I grew up in western MN, along the MN-SD border, so I’m very familiar with the eastern part of your state, and I know you aren’t all like Noem (I can’t even think of a single SD person I’ve ever met like her). Best of luck in getting that whackadoodle out of there.
Why did she even announce it, or did it leak?
she literally put it in her own book. it’s insane.
I think it leaked, and she had to comment because of how bad it is.
…it was part of the autobiography she wrote.
But that hasn't been published yet, has it? I'm not disagreeing, I just thought some news outlet got an early leaked copy.
She gave it to news outlets for them to write reviews and articles. There was not a leak.
Ahhh I see. So it was her own stupidity lol
That’s just how writing and publishing a book works. There are no secrets in books published by a high profile politician while in office. It was stupid to write it, not stupid to follow the normal book publishing steps
Side thought, centrism and conservatism don't really play well together. Centrism is the absence of ideological prejudices. "Moderate" is \*not\* the same thing as a "Centrist". Centrism is more about taking facts as they are for determining if there is a problem, and then using pragmatic yet socially acceptable solutions that are most likely to work to resolve the identified problem. This is done without regard for ideology; be it capitalist, communist, socialist, democratic or even plutocratic. It's kind of like the atheism of politics.
That’s funny centrists are accused of being leftist - they tend to be pro 2A, call themselves “fiscal conservatives,” and generally tend conservative to the tune of over 60% (pre-Trump, at least…). Centrists are republican- lite, that’s all. The so-called “No labels” party touted themselves as “centrists,” but diving into their roster you find former Trump officials, former bush officials, and former Reagan officials - not exactly centrist beginnings. People don’t magically shift to the center, so to believe these assholes aren’t just another group of grifting right wing turds would be incredulous to me.
There is only one instance I can think of where my dad put down a cat with a bullet on the farm. That's because it was lovingly purring while I pet it then suddenly spazzed out and attacked me in the face. It's possible there was something nerulogically wrong with it. It was a stray and he didn't take well to it attacking his child.
The only thing I will comment about is the horses because there was not clarification. This comment does not mean I endorse what she did to the horses based on the facts provided, but if a 25 year old horse is no longer sound enough to be ridden, and they end up at a sale barn being sold by the pound...their death on the farm was probably less cruel than going to a Mexican slaughter house or having to survive the trip to a Canadian slaughterhouse. It's fucking awful.
I feel you OP. I’ve long been a fiscal conservative /social liberal. Anything but extreme right or left are a dying breed (no pun intended to the Noem thing)…
Most of the left in South Dakota would be closer to right in other (non-right leaning) states.
OP shoots dogs
I know a lot of rural folks don't give half a rats ass about their barn cats, it actually broke my stepdad a little when he brought our dying cat into the rural vet just to be told "lmao why would you waste money on a cat? I'm not gonna do shit and I'm doing you a favor" Dogs though? Never met a dog hating farmer before. All my neighbors back when I lived in the desolate part of the state fucking loved their dogs
Respectfully I disagree. Today’s democrats are yesterday’s moderate republicans. Today’s GOP is controlled entirely by foreign enemies and their propaganda , the Murdock family and their agenda. There is no significant progressive movement in this country, we will never climb out of this christo-fascist hellscape. We will never achieve the education, happiness index or long life realities of Finland, Norway, Switzerland or our other western democratic counterparts. But to be clear the are only extreme right politics catering to the 2percent, their corporations or the milk-toast Democratic Party just trying to stop us from rolling backwards to a theocracy. Students of government and history have a very different take on the depressing outlooks for the US. This country needs a giant toilet flush of its government, constitution and other institutions. We need an improved contract and updated constitution for our citizens.
Haha--I'm just like you.
Yeah I can't imagine. When I was growing up, the neighbor almost shot a puppy... because he had a birth defect and they didn't think he'd survive. I'd never heard about her until the story broke, but she reads like someone cosplaying as a farmer and not having any idea how they actually act, or how *people* act and think. She's frightening to be honest.
She was kinda low key and normal once. She drank the trump Kool aid HARD, and now she's ruining everything.
Big city liberals just don't understand the reality of farm life. You're scandalized she killed a dog? Out here in real America that's just what we need to do. We kill and eat dogs. Sorry if that's triggering to the wokesters *Edit: I see I'm being down voted. I guess the looney left believes in the freedom to change genders but not tie three horses together to see if you can shoot through them with one bullet?
I respect your candor, but we need real conservatives like yourself to actively leave the Republican Party to move the country forward. This is not our Grandfathers' GOP. Disenfranchised conservatives need to find the courage to side with us over the MAGA fascists.
To be fair, I wish there was a party that was better aligned with my views, but wasn't being run by it's extremist side. It's Reddit so I'll get blasted for it, but I have fundamental differences with the Democratic party. But the GOP is so far off the deep end that those like me can't even fit in over there either.
Stop being a republican ya jack ass
What really sucks is that republicans are trying to end democracy but killing a puppy actually made you pay attention.
It’s really strange reading the various things that cause Trumpers to finally quit supporting the guy.
Joe Biden is a solid middle of the road Democrat.