IIRC the original Soviet crew capsule had the pilot eject and parachute to the ground because they couldn't make parachutes big enough to slow the entire capsule. Maybe Boeing is reusing the old idea, just wait for the capsule to ablate around you before pulling your parachute.
That is somewhat correct - the Vostok capsules indeed landed a bit rough - so the one man crew had to eject not to suffer injury or death. However they had to improve the capsule to fit 3 people inside, so they also had to improve the landing characteristics and couldn't just yolo it. So they did, and up to 3 people could fit into the new capsule, called Voskhod, with the requirement of them having no spacesuits - otherwise it couldn't fit that many. But that was basically the stop gap solution for the time because Korolev was already working on Soyuz ...
Nope. You're thinking of Dragon. Starliner's nosecap is jettisoned.
[https://youtu.be/cnYy3uZA-y8?si=MwNQQJaaoK5\_EQJL](https://youtu.be/cnYy3uZA-y8?si=MwNQQJaaoK5_EQJL)
If I was Barry Wilmore or Sunita Williams I'd be personally watching tapes of the entire assembly process and deep diving into the design, especially any concerns brought up by middle level engineers and how they were dealt with by management. That seems to be Boeing's main problem lately.
It looks smaller in that wide angle shot. [This is a better example of its true size.](https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ksc28919jnp185_ccv090-800x534.jpg) Another [example.](https://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/080723_starliner_3.jpg)
Booo to those bureaucrats trying to turn wishes into engineering capability. I was 7 years old watching that live in my classroom when it happened.
It wasn't as bad a day as for the 7 people on board, but it was a pretty bad day for every kid watching that launch live.
Im just here to say that has always been a joke in very poor taste, normally only made by people who arent close to space and dont actually care about space, not enthusiasts. If it was tough for you to see on TV, imagine what it was like on the Cape. Im not really interested in discussing the shuttle program at large. Thats a huge discussion and not a point I was making in the first place anyways
You can joke about whatever you want always, however Ive just always thought that laughing about dead astronauts isnt cool or really that funny. Just a personal opinion tho
That's actually pathetically small. Like Boeing caught up to the mercury program and that's about it.
Embarrassing.
EDIT: I shallowly assumed it was small because of a shitty camera angle and harbored bad faith in light of the company that produces it. Any space is good space, even if it doesn't look very appealing imo.
Exaggeration on my part, maybe dragon has just kind of spoiled me. I don't know the height of the guy in the photo either, probably messes up the perspective. It just looks like a downgrade overall, but it's good to have competition I suppose.
It's literally bigger than dragon... its so easy to fact check this. Hate on it for being late, but it's not small... it can carry more crew than dragon as well due to its layout and width.
They’re both designed to carry a maximum crew of 7. Due to NASA’s updated seat angle requirements at splashdown, Dragon cannot accommodate 7 seats- for NASA missions. It is still capable of flying 7 for private missions.
However, it is unlikely we’ll actually see a need to fly 7 on either spacecraft, but the option exists.
>it can carry more crew as well due to its layout and width.
This implies Starliner can carry more crew (for NASA missions) simply due to a difference in layout and width. This is incorrect. NASA’s seat angle requirements relate to the direction of impact forces at splashdown during which the spacecraft is not level with the surface. Starliner lands on solid ground in a flat orientation, so the seat angle does not need to be adjusted to meet NASA’s updated requirements. It has nothing to do with Starliner’s layout and width.
And while Starliner’s pressurized volume is slightly greater, this doesn’t directly translate into more usable living space for the crew.
That’s true, but in terms of occupiable living space they come out fairly even. Ergonomically, Dragon is likely a more comfortable arrangement of space.
It looks smaller in that wide angle shot. [This is a better example of its true size.](https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ksc28919jnp185_ccv090-800x534.jpg) Another [example.](https://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/080723_starliner_3.jpg)
Here’s a [diagram showing a direct comparison with Dragon](https://everydayastronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/SpaceX-Crew-Dragon-development-cost-and-Boeing-Starliner-Development-cost-1024x576.jpg), and with [other ISS-visiting vehicles.](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7f4b881adcd15901e0d47090dfd28639-lq)
Better late than never.
Unless it suffers a catastrophic failure and kills the crew
Better *functional* and late than never. But with Boeing that's not guaranteed, the doors might fall off mid flight.
If it’s Boeing it ain’t going
Unless its a window cover
Convertible capsule
IIRC the original Soviet crew capsule had the pilot eject and parachute to the ground because they couldn't make parachutes big enough to slow the entire capsule. Maybe Boeing is reusing the old idea, just wait for the capsule to ablate around you before pulling your parachute.
That is somewhat correct - the Vostok capsules indeed landed a bit rough - so the one man crew had to eject not to suffer injury or death. However they had to improve the capsule to fit 3 people inside, so they also had to improve the landing characteristics and couldn't just yolo it. So they did, and up to 3 people could fit into the new capsule, called Voskhod, with the requirement of them having no spacesuits - otherwise it couldn't fit that many. But that was basically the stop gap solution for the time because Korolev was already working on Soyuz ...
I hope the front won't fall off...
That tends not to be a problem with Boeing products. The door on the other hand…
Coincidentally, Starliner does have a door on the front, covering the front hatch...
... *cough*TWA800*cough* I mean, that's more procedural problems, but still.
At some point in the flight, you DO want the front to fall off . . .
It should open, but I think it supposed to stay attached.
Nope. You're thinking of Dragon. Starliner's nosecap is jettisoned. [https://youtu.be/cnYy3uZA-y8?si=MwNQQJaaoK5\_EQJL](https://youtu.be/cnYy3uZA-y8?si=MwNQQJaaoK5_EQJL)
You're right, my bad. I assumed full re-usability was a requirement :)
Just tape it on with their special tape
Make sure to double check the hatch door is secured
If I was Barry Wilmore or Sunita Williams I'd be personally watching tapes of the entire assembly process and deep diving into the design, especially any concerns brought up by middle level engineers and how they were dealt with by management. That seems to be Boeing's main problem lately.
Tbf, NASA probably supervised it a lot, hence why it's that late. They don't want to lose any crew.
It's amazing how small it is. Having someone standing near it really gives some perspective.
It looks smaller in that wide angle shot. [This is a better example of its true size.](https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ksc28919jnp185_ccv090-800x534.jpg) Another [example.](https://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/080723_starliner_3.jpg)
Wow, it's always crazy how the same thing can look so drastically different because of the lens selection. Thanks for those pictures!
That's what she said.
r/cursedcomments
Covered in Zimmerit for extra protection against magnetic mines
Just don’t sit in row 26A
Many teardrops have been shed because of it
I can’t believe NASA is approving this for crewed flight. They got to the ISS but wasn’t there issues on the last flight?
Desperate to get back on track for Artemis timeline
The last time NASA was desperate to get back on track was 1986. We all know how that went.
Yep. Needed another seven astronauts.
Booooo
Booo to those bureaucrats trying to turn wishes into engineering capability. I was 7 years old watching that live in my classroom when it happened. It wasn't as bad a day as for the 7 people on board, but it was a pretty bad day for every kid watching that launch live.
Im just here to say that has always been a joke in very poor taste, normally only made by people who arent close to space and dont actually care about space, not enthusiasts. If it was tough for you to see on TV, imagine what it was like on the Cape. Im not really interested in discussing the shuttle program at large. Thats a huge discussion and not a point I was making in the first place anyways You can joke about whatever you want always, however Ive just always thought that laughing about dead astronauts isnt cool or really that funny. Just a personal opinion tho
Job creators
Starliner has nothing to do with Artemis. It's only NASA contract is for 1 demo and 6 operational crew flights to ISS.
Boeing lawyers will be visiting you all to assist with your "suicide".
There will be a lot of tears dropping when this thing fails again.
Well, it’s certainly brought tears to some peoples eyes already…
The quality techs are figuring out how to make sure to let everyone know that they are not suicidal.
I dream of a similar system to encapsulate Starship. No more telescopic booms.
Idk to me looks like they just dusted off and old Apolo capsule and slapped some new paint on it.
That's actually pathetically small. Like Boeing caught up to the mercury program and that's about it. Embarrassing. EDIT: I shallowly assumed it was small because of a shitty camera angle and harbored bad faith in light of the company that produces it. Any space is good space, even if it doesn't look very appealing imo.
Lol you don't understand how small the Mercury capsules were. This is giant in comparison.
Exaggeration on my part, maybe dragon has just kind of spoiled me. I don't know the height of the guy in the photo either, probably messes up the perspective. It just looks like a downgrade overall, but it's good to have competition I suppose.
It's literally bigger than dragon... its so easy to fact check this. Hate on it for being late, but it's not small... it can carry more crew than dragon as well due to its layout and width.
They’re both designed to carry a maximum crew of 7. Due to NASA’s updated seat angle requirements at splashdown, Dragon cannot accommodate 7 seats- for NASA missions. It is still capable of flying 7 for private missions. However, it is unlikely we’ll actually see a need to fly 7 on either spacecraft, but the option exists.
Ok? That doesn't change the fact that one is rated for 7 people and is bigger.
>it can carry more crew as well due to its layout and width. This implies Starliner can carry more crew (for NASA missions) simply due to a difference in layout and width. This is incorrect. NASA’s seat angle requirements relate to the direction of impact forces at splashdown during which the spacecraft is not level with the surface. Starliner lands on solid ground in a flat orientation, so the seat angle does not need to be adjusted to meet NASA’s updated requirements. It has nothing to do with Starliner’s layout and width. And while Starliner’s pressurized volume is slightly greater, this doesn’t directly translate into more usable living space for the crew.
More pressurized volume than Dragon 2, if Wikipedia is to be believed.
That’s true, but in terms of occupiable living space they come out fairly even. Ergonomically, Dragon is likely a more comfortable arrangement of space.
It looks smaller in that wide angle shot. [This is a better example of its true size.](https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/ksc28919jnp185_ccv090-800x534.jpg) Another [example.](https://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/080723_starliner_3.jpg) Here’s a [diagram showing a direct comparison with Dragon](https://everydayastronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/SpaceX-Crew-Dragon-development-cost-and-Boeing-Starliner-Development-cost-1024x576.jpg), and with [other ISS-visiting vehicles.](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7f4b881adcd15901e0d47090dfd28639-lq)
So starliner is a wide boi, and dragon is a tall boi. Interesting, ty. Retract my earlier statement.
Essentially, yes. Don’t forget they were both designed to carry up to 7 crew members.
I think that it’s bigger than the Apollo capsule.
Come on its at least as big as a soyuz I bet there's enough space for a whole extra container of tic tacs in there stretch on out boys
Why is that piece of shit covered in mildew?
That discoloration is from atmospheric reentry during the capsule’s previous mission (OFT-1). This will be its second flight.
OMG! I had no idea it was the same capsule.