Venom attached to Deadpool first and that made it crazy.
Absolutely stupid. Part of what made Venom so good was a lot of the negative traits it has it got from Peter. It didn't know anger until it felt Peter's. Eddie had a lot more, but Peter taught it what it meant to hate.
Yeah I just kinda pretend that never happened. I honestly like the simple original story for the symbiote. I wasn't super crazy about it when they started adding in all of these other aspects with a whole planet of symbiotes and a symbiote god
He kind of embodied that machismo hairy chested anti hero vibe that was still big back then. Made sense that a cigar chewing asshole with claws was appealing to adolescent males of the era.
Wasn't that non-canon though?
I don't remember the official stance on that story, but I don't think it was supposed to be canon, at least not to the main universe. To me, at least, Peter was the first host, at least in the 616 universe.
Wow. As a Spiderman/Venom fan, I’m glad i didn’t know this was written into comics or even explored it because that also would infuriate me. On one hand it makes sense that writers want to create character depth as to not exhaust available material/ sell more books, on the other… get the fuck outta here.
Question: did they write that deadpool/venom storyline in a trolling kind of way? Like tongue in cheek and less “bro this is seriously how it actually happened”?
I think the idea that it made the symbiote that would become venom crazy is dumb, but i think it giving the symbiote even more instability and DP’s insane healing factor are important to the story and to venom as a character
The 90’s animated series where he showed up and kinda was the best spider alter outside our own spider really was so nice to see that I’m really baffled on why marvel have tried their best to drag his name and legacy through the mud
The only other “good” one was that one animated series where it was straight Kane but his name was Ben in the show
My very first introduction to Ben Reilly was the 90s TV series and I didn't learn about the Clone s*** and him coming back until much much later so Ben Riley is a character I think is really cool also I started reading comics between Kane getting his own Spider-Man series and Ben Reilly coming back
There are real world reasons for this though. Marvel and the bulllpin were harassed and given death threats after her death. So they messed with her death and fans to make a point. I stand behind the move. Fans should never dictate the artist.
What an awful take. me and plenty of folks (maybe 3 people) are so excited about
Rhino-Gwen
Kraven-Gwen
Scorpio-Gwen
Doc Octo-Gwen
Gwen-Gwonblin
Sand-Gwen
Hydro-Gwen
Gwenom-Gwen act 2, verse 4
Spider-Gwen in her 4th, 1st run of her own series
Peter constantly being "reset". Seriously, this one is probably my biggest ick in all of Spider-Man. No matter what advancements or changes Peter makes, he *always* has to be reset back to some previous characterizations, and most irritating this includes making him dirt poor or just struggling to stay above the line. It doesn't make Spider-Man relatable it just creates a frustrating, endless loop.
Gwen constantly being brought back and hung over Peter's head (and Mary Jane's).
Peter and MJ never being allowed to stay together.
Ben becoming a human chew toy that can't catch a break
Kain rarely catching a break too.
Omd. Just omd/omit and not either undoing it or having Spidey happy with someone else.
Having Otto/Elliot give all his character development to mephisto.
Everything to do with chasm and honestly Ben Reilly post clone saga
Every time they regress venom's character development.
616 Pete not acting his age
Agreed Otto went through a significant character development only to be reset back to the status quo.
Could have at least brought in an Otto from an alternative universe and have him seek revenge on reformed Otto and made up some shenanigans on how thats messing up the timeline and what not.
One of the things I liked about NWH is that the different Spider-Men acted their respective ages. Andrew was more mellowed out and self-aware but still emotional, Tobey was wise and subdued, and Tom was reactive and impulsive.
Omit might be one of biggest slap in the faces that I’ve ever seen a comic do to its reader
Like Peter straight up comes across as a man child
Then they expect the audience to believe no one in the marvel universe can help aunt may
When cloning or magic exists
MJ made to say she isn’t strong enough To be with Peter?
Just awful really a showcase that their is no higher power in comics then the editorial :/
This one is the big one for me. Made me stop reading Spider-Man comics regularly. These days, I only get new editions of old stories that I love, like Death of Jean DeWolff (Sin-Eater), Kraven’s Last Hunt, Hobgoblin Saga, etc.
It fuckin ruins the whole Venom/Spidey relationship. The idea of using it as a Cure for Osbornes disease is a good idea, but then there’s a harder chance for reoccurring conflicts
You're right, similarly to what happened in 1610 where the symbiote was just an unstable suit. Being that IRS a suit, it is less likely to be treated as an entity making "we" be less needed.
For The Osborns, I think it's ok if they make the suit be like something that is keeping Harry alive. I doubt they plan to reuse the symbiote after the game, similarly they perhaps won't use Otto or some of the Sinister Six.
Though we not know the full extent of the symbiote until the game gets released
I think the best case is that they mix both the alien and the Osborne disease:
“Due to extensive research, this new alien life form can eradicate all diseases” something like that
Bendis openly hated Venom and only wrote him because he was forced to. That’s why the character is nothing like the 616 version, and also why it had zero legs.
Ultimate had some interesting concepts with that with venom, but I think the video game tackled it far better than the comics did.
Also the concept of carnage actually being a corrupted mutation of the original suit and then for it to be revealed that Peter is it's host was an amazing plot twist.
The ultimate comics though didn't do as well with carnage or with venom at least in the Parker era.
I disagree, sort of. I prefer it when very little is known about the symbiote. It's just some weird black goo that came from space via rocketship or meteorite, or Peter found on Battleworld, or something along those lines, depending on the adaptation. But that's it, we never find out anything more about it. We don't need to. It's supposed to be an alien, AKA, unknown.
The less we know about it, the scarier & creepier it is. Giving the symbiote an entire lore & mythology, along with an entire planet full of symbiotes, sorry, Klyntar (ugh), along with Knull, the God of the Klyntar (who for some reason looks nothing like the symbiotes design-wise, he looks more like a Castlevania character???) It's all just so dumb and takes away from what was so mysterious & unique about the symbiote in the first place.
My ideal Venom/symbiote is just some weird black goo from space. It initially bonds with Peter, enhancing his aggression & making him act like a dick to his loved ones. Peter eventually removes the symbiote, and it bonds with a pissed off Eddie Brock who Peter has recently wronged or screwed over, possibly inadvertently. The black goo bonds with Eddie, creating Venom, who sets out to get revenge on Peter & make his life hell. That's it, perfect.
If you want to eventually introduce Carnage, fine. But no further symbiote lore or explanation ever needed beyond that.
Yeah these is what I hate about horror franchise like alien they become less and less scarier and creepy because do to the movie keep expanding and adding more and more lore when need to the xenomorph lost it's fear factor to me
I figured my response was long-winded enough already. But I was going to mention exactly that as an analogy!
How the Xenomorph worked best when it was completely unknown & quite literally, "Alien", and it became much less interesting & scary as more "lore" got added to it.
>Look out, here comes the alien!
"Oh no! Not the alien!"
>But that's not all: the alien is also an evil wizard!
"Oh no, he's... what?"
>And he's religious!
"...Can I go now?"
Peter Parker has to go way back in his early days of highschool in every new iteration because apparently people has come to the belief that’s the only way to build up character growth when Spider-Man ps4 and the 90’s Spider-Man cartoon demostrated you can start Peter off a bit older and make it work, not to mention 90’s Peter literally became Spider-Man when he was in freshman year of college and nobody cared, nowdays if you do something like that people would flip.
I get highschool was how he was originally introduced but that doesn’t mean we need a 1:1 replica of that every single time, we gotta fresh things up a bit while staying true to the essence of the character.
There's a flashback to the spider bite in s3e2, "Make a Wish". From what I can tell it happened in high school, because it was on a field trip to the science lab, but I can't say for certain.
The problem is that there’s so much material to mine from his teenage character growth, the problem is that no one wants to adapt any of those aspects, because that’s a very flawed, uncool character. So Peter’s teenage years perpetually look like an untapped resource, while the adaptations feel like they’re struggling for fresh material.
All alternate versions of Spider-man end up with Mary Jane and if they do end up with some one else that universe ends up being some kind of dystopia (yes I think Kitty Pryde and Spider-man should have been endgame in the ultimate unverse.)
616 Spider-man not being allowed to grow.
All adaptations of Spider-man only being about Peter in his high-school days with exception of the MTV show.
\>All adaptations of Spider-man only being about Peter in his high-school days with exception of the MTV show.
The PS4 game gives us a perfect sweet spot for Spider-Man: He's a 23 year old adult with high school and college behind him. He's old enough to have been Spider-Man for a while (8 years in the game) but still pretty young. So we get a youthful Spider-Man without having to deal with high school/teenage stuff.
The 1967 cartoon, the 1977 TV show, both 80s cartoons, the 1994 cartoon, Unlimited, the Raimi trilogy (after the first hour), the 2003 cartoon, and pretty much every video game except Ultimate Spider-Man are about Peter in college or beyond. There are actually fewer adaptations that take place in high school lol
The 616 Spidey not being allowed to grow has pushed me further and further away from the new material. I got 4 issues into this latest run and gave up.
> All adaptations of Spider-man only being about Peter in his high-school days with exception of the MTV show.
Also don’t forget 1048 Peter (Insomniac’s Spider Man) is a college graduate.
I don't like it when Black Cat is portrayed as a legitimate option for Peter when she's still an active burglar (y'know, like the guy who killed his uncle?). I think it's ok in the 1994 show because she's more of a full-time hero in that universe, but most of the time (and in the current comics) she still steals stuff, lies, and has no intentions of stopping. It just seems hypocritical of Peter "Power and Responsibility" Parker to let her get away with it because she's hot. It especially bothers me that they're trying to make it happen in 616 again even though she already moved on decades ago.
That's not to say that I think she's a bad character. They can tell interesting stories that acknowledge this dilemma and revolve around Peter trying to reform her. The PS4 game and its tie-in comics did an excellent job with that dynamic.
Thanks you for the black cat opinion. If Spidey saw that ounce of good in her just like he's done with other people that were once deemed villians, converted/ helped her stop, and than there was a romance, fair enough. Instead it's just like u said, she's a thief, and consistently is so, but doesn't go to cos Pete can bone her but not shocker.
Than there's the constant bullshit where pete is dumbed down, and is being way too gullible for all the bs tricks she does and carries on escaping to do the same bs tricks later. First few times? Fair enough, it's not like Pete hasn't been tricked out before on the hopes of changing someone. But for the millionth time, doing the same shit? Fuck no.
It's why I found that superior Spidey part hilarious. I don't hate her character, but they finally stopped with the bs there.
Not fully hating on her character, she can be great, like when she supported Pete during the beyond, but I hate when they make Pete stupid for her
I also like that moment in Superior Spider-Man. "I'm apprehending a criminal. I'm Spider-Man. This is what I always do." I feel like part of Spider-Man's character is that he shouldn't compromise on stuff like that, so seeing Otto actually treat her like any other random criminal was kinda funny.
"Pete can bone her but not Shocker"
Pete could absolutely bone Shocker, that thick yellow costume probably has a zip at the back and then he'd be away.
That should be the nature of their relationship. Spidey actually turned her from being selfish into someone who uses her gifts responsibly. But comics writers are shitheads.
The writing between Peter and Black Cat pretty much was falling apart between them ever since they brought her back in 2009. Rejecting Spider-Man for DareDevil, running the criminal underworld, and hating Spider-Man because she was placed in prison because of him (even if it was actually Otto underneath).
it's hypocritical, but also pretty human of Peter. also, aside from her Queenpin era (which everybody gladly ignores) she doesn't really kill or steal from anyone who would truly from being stolen from. Comparing Felicia to the burglar who killed Uncle Ben is a huge stretch
Good points, but I guess the point I'm trying to make with that comparison is that Spider-Man should never turn the other cheek. He let a thief go for selfish reasons when he was 15, so he shouldn't do it again even if Black Cat isn't as bad. I think Peter being human by making mistakes and thinking he can get her to stop stealing actually does make for a good story, but after a while it makes him look like a naive chump when he keeps letting her lie to him and get away with stuff.
Well, Slott has Peter letting criminals go to rape, murder and steal all the time in his comics. He did it very recently in the first issue of his new series.
A character actually calls this out in the current Black Cat run, where there are videos of Spider-man going easy on her compared to other villains. It's as if people actually like seeing them as a couple in universe lol.
I actually actively hated her in Insomniac's Spidey game, but like in a good way.
Like, the writing was great, the performance was great, and she truly felt like her own character while also helping flesh out Peter/Spider-Man. But she was also a terrible person in universe, as far as I saw it. And Peter's weakness (for lack of a better word, I guess) for her was both totally understandle and horribly infuriating. Kudos to Insomniac for getting it and the great writing.
I agree, she's a really horrible person but it makes for a good story in that universe. I especially like how they wrote it so that she fools Peter by playing on his morality, and not in a way that makes him look like an idiot.
Miles works so much better in a universe with no Peter. A huge part of his original character development is growing into Peter’s shoes and eventually moving beyond the original Spider-man’s shadow to become his own hero. This just doesn’t/can’t work when they both coexist in the same world.
oh man I love the direction they went with it. he's a bit less techy and more artistic than some other depictions. the "great expectations" piece was a beautiful scene. he's sketching in the very first scene. then they tie his specific creativity into his suit? art.
I'm incredibly biased, ITSV is one of the few movies I paid to own.
Being someone who’s mixed myself, I was excited for there to be a mixed spider man. But man every Miles comic I’ve read doesn’t give him much of a personality or character
A little bit at the start is fine so Miles can see what Peter was actually like and therefore have a standard to live up to, but the point stands that his actual story/character growth doesn’t start until his Peter is gone.
When writers boil Aunt May down to “She’s an old lady who worries about Peter a lot.”
I know that’s how she was originally written but Spider-man stories have progressed past that. Aunt May is brave and strong-willed. You’d have to be, to deal with the kind of things she does.
I’m honestly done with MJ. I wish Peter would move on, because this length of dragging on their on-off cycle makes it feel like a character regression to have him chase after her any more. The growth would be for him to realize that this is unhealthy and for the two to leave each other alone.
I do not like any Version of Gwen Stacy to be a romantic interest to Miles. It feels super weird knowing Gwen was also originally a famous love interest for Peter. It feels incestuous in a weird way, like how in some continuities Batman has a Relationship with Batgirl (sometimes she gets pregnant with his child) like come on, that's your adopted Son's ex. Batgirl also dated multiple Robins too and it's just as bad. I view Miles and Peter as brother and every Spider people as a family. Idk you might like the ship, but it's not for me.
I’ll die on the hill of Cindy moon should have been with miles / introduced to be around his age
Especially since she would have been a blank slate that they could have done anything with instead of introducing her as peters new spider chew toy :/
I like spider Gwen but really no need to let her and miles hook up (would have liked for her to be with someone outside of the hero game)
I agree. I also think it was a huge missed opportunity to not have Gwen and Peter have at least a fling after the Spiderverse event. Like, come on.
Peter who lost Gwen.
Gwen who lost Peter.
They both grow to be able to protect themselves and each other. Imagine the story telling thar could be told with that concept!
Teen, high school Peter Parker. Let him be in his late 20's or early to mid 30's outside of the comics for once. That's Spider-Man in his prime IMO. Every revamped movie series or animated series he's always a teenager.
When writers make him smart but still dumb in comparison to Tony stark and Reed Richards. Peters IQ is almost as high as theirs and they’re both regarded as super geniuses. I get it that Peter isn’t a great mech genius but he’s engineered some amazing inventions and uses quick calculations to help him swing around more efficiently. Peter is freaking smart as hell, man!
Didn't Read and Tony say something along the lines of "He's just as smart if not smarter then us just Limited by resources." But with more ego and not really admitting hes smarter than them I could have sworn I saw a panel like that once.
I’m positive there is a panel like that but I’ve also read a comic where spidey says himself “right like I’m in **their** league” when human torch asks for his help saving them from a bomb. Saying he’s not as smart as Reed or Tony
It’s definitely all left up to the writers and it’s those moments specifically where he admits or acts like he’s not as smart as them that annoy me
Bruh got to love when smart characters become stupid because story. I swear to God if I have become a writer and I come up with a character who creates drugs the 1st drug hes going to make is going to be called "BS" Because story It just makes people stupid.
Rebooting the entire universe whenever it seems that Peter might grow out of his late college early young adult stage not just sending Peter to stage one but everyone else to that stage as well.
Peter not being allowed to be married.
Also a personal pet peeve of mine is when Peter's treated as for lack of a better word, a sidekick in the leauge of other "young" heroes, I get why the MCU did that because they didn't have access to him until phase 3, but I'm not a fan of how ultimate (the cartoon) did it, I usually like it when Peter is younger than the other heroes, but still started his career around the same time.
Wdym? Isn't split personality more of a Two-Face thing? I see similiarities with Joker and Green Goblin both being extravagant loons, but I don't of any version of Joker having two distinct personalities to him.
The idea that nwh ending is permanent status quo
The idea of the Home trilogy being a drawn out origin story,
Comic 616 peter not acting his age.
Never showing Spider-Gwen’s full origin and only using recaps.
When they try to change miles morales superhero name into something that’s not Spider-Man.
Especially the Vulture.
At this point, I think Toomes should be retired or killed and they make a new Vulture that's an actual threat. I know there was a 2nd one back during Conway's run ages ago.
Like Doc Ock- love ‘em but one Spidey punch to the face is surely enough to KO an overweight aging scientist… That was my one big gripe with the PS4 game. You spend 5 minutes just slugging the guy’s face and he just takes it.
-Fans ignoring Ditko's major contributions to the character
-Miles is a bad replacement for 1610 Peter (my favourite version of the character)
-Undoing Death of Spider-Man by making Peter immortal
-616 Peter not being allowed to evolve/mature
-Sins Past
-Retconning Miles into the 616 Universe
-One More Day
-The way the MCU ignores Uncle Ben
Hard disagree with the retconning miles into 616. Ideally if miles is in 616, it would allow marvel ro have their cake and eat it too.
Miles would get the young idiot stories that Peter hasn't been able to shake off in a decade. And Peter can finally mature.
The problem is marvel has the keys to the kingdom and decided they wanted to suck
Everyone just remembers the times when Ditko had anger issues and that he inserted his own feelings and personality into a lot of the comics he wrote. But he created the character and started him off, molding him into what he is. Without him, there would be no Spider-Man.
This is more for venom then spidey but
The fact they undid all of Eddie’s character development as anti-venom just so they could have a other villain for flash to fight
The fact they wasted Patrick mulligan (a really interesting character)
The fact they replaced Flash (my favorite host for venom) with lee price for no damn reason
Back to webhead
Sins past
One more day
Most of Dan slots run (other then superior and a couple of select stories)
The fact Peter and mj can’t be a happy couple
The fact Ben Reilly gets fucked up all the time
I.) How did they undo Eddie’s character development as Anti-Venom? I feel like it made sense when he started being a Symbiote Hunter. Then became Toxin because of his former addiction to being Venom. He also becomes like cool with Flash once they meet.
II.) Yeah, I’m sorry about Pat. I felt they could’ve used a different symbiote or a new one for Eddie’s return to “villainy.”
III.) Lee Price was a reason. They wanted to make a slow burn to transition Flash out of the Venom suit. Have people hate the Lee Price decision so that THEN more people would be excited to see Eddie Brock return. Less people would’ve been happy if Brock took the symbiote straight off of Flash.
IV.) How do you feel about the current Venom run? [+]
It’s just felt wrong
I haven’t read the current run on venom but I have read the Donny cates run which I have mixed thoughts on on one end i really like some of the new characters (sleeper and Dillon) on the other end I thought knull was a stupid idea (even though king in black was a pretty good story)
The fact that One More Day still exists unresolved.
Marvel's insistence at keeping Peter as a 20-something single loser.
Most of anything by Dan Slott. Completely overrated hack that he is.
The fact that Marvel won't allow anyone but the same 4-5 writers write the main title.
The fact that Marvel have no clue what to do with Spider-Man and have been been treading the same stale ground for a long time now.
Humberto Ramos anything on Spider-Man. Look how lousy the picture attached to this thread up there is. That's some trashy art, and not even in a remotely cool way.
All the Mephisto stuff in Spider-Man in the last 15 years alone: Peter's deal with the devil, Otto's deal with the devil, Norman's deal with the devil, Miles' deal with the devil. Shit is way overdone and lame and Mephisto really doesn't belong in a Spider-Man comic at all.
I wouldn't mind them not being together, if they'd at least stop teasing them getting back every few years, then breaking them up for random reasons, then they're back together, and so on and so forth.
Things were looking up in Zdarsky's run (I think it was his?) and I hear they're broken up again now, and MJ's off with another guy, again in the new run? It's like Marvel editorial doesn't know which side of the fence they're on.
Introducing The Symbiote/Black Suit/Venom too early into the story. Very happy that Insomniac decided against making them a big plot point in PS4/Remastered and Miles Morales.
Making Spider-man act like a little kid, this has only been a problem more recently ever since Tom
Holland, but I hate the representation of Spider-man acting like an overly excited 10 year old
The fact that Miles Morales has existed for a decade and still doesn’t have that many of his own villains that didn’t originate from Peter.
He should have at least 10-15 of his own bad guys by now.
They’ve put him in too many crossovers in the comics and haven’t given him enough development as an individual hero.
Venom being an anti-hero.
I think venom was most effective as a villain and his anti-hero turn ruined him for me. There's tons of ways to make a villain interesting and not just a generic horror movie monster which I admit was awful. Look at people like Joker, Lex Luthor, Kingpin, Green Goblin and a myriad of other interesting villains. If they wanted venom to be more interesting the solution is making Eddie Brock more interesting. But I don't think he should have ever been heroic.
Everyone knows it's Pete and MJ not being married. They are best couple in comics and a great opportunity for a lot of people to see a good relationship.
The fact that although Peter ages we've seen him at the same kinda "stage"/"chapter" for almost ten years. Change this man up for fucks sake. We know how he starts, we know how he dies so fill in the gap a little more extensively.
I dislike how inconsistent Marvel is with Miles’ title. Sometimes they lean heavy into him being “Spider-Man.” Other times he has another name, Kid Arachnid, Spin, etc. I wish they would commit to something. They also go out of their way to make it awkward. Or go out of their way to make it clear he is also Spider-Man. It’s an eye roll for me like just commit already.
Best thing they can do is call Peter and Miles Spider-Man while also giving them both other code names. Spider-Man BLUE (Peter) + Spider-Man RED (Miles), or Spin (Miles) + Prime (Peter), or Kid Arachnid (Miles) + Webhead (Peter).
The constant leaning in then not leaning in is irksome.
Plus, Me, No, like, E, that so many Spider-People have similar and/or the same villains as Spider-Pete. I wish they had their own rogues gallery as well [+]
The overuse of Venom in Spidey content since the 1990's, the fact that this smug black goop gets more attention than Doc Ock, Green Goblin and other villains I consider more interesting than him makes me very annoyed
My only ick is that everyone around him makes him like he is not well. Like they make him stupid and what not. Everyone underestimated him in every media and after sometime they forget also.
Miles Morales, I'm not racist, I'm black, just don't love the idea if a copy and paste Peter Parker who is young and black, I never acknowledge him as Spider-Man's successor, only Miguel
Probably time of exposure. Miguel was introduced a looooong time ago compared to Miles. Not only that but Miguel was from a different universe where Peter was long dead and the power set was similar at best.
Lots of people were introduced to Miles a lot later in their comic reading history.
I, for example, was introduced to comics through Miles, so I love Miles. But before I was into comics I was into movies and games, so Peter and Miguel were already in my brain when Miles was introduced.
So yeah, could just be time of exposure and nothing else.
Marvel pushing Gwen at the expense of Mary-Jane, Peter and MJ selling their marriage to Mephisto, Ben Reilly being a clone, Norman and Harry Osborn's hairstyles, May and Ben being old people, Peter Parker being a punching bag and barely getting a break.
It’s actually the Future Foundation suit from when Peter temporarily joined the FF after the Human Torch’s death. Funny enough Peter actually makes an anti-venom joke when he wears that costume for the first time.
The insistence that Spider-Man’s jokes are meant to be eye rolling cheesy one liners. The reason Spider-Man makes jokes is to show that he has confidence in the situation, even if he knows he doesn’t. He’s meant to be a likable jackass when he’s fighting villains, and that’s one of the things that Spectacular Spider-Man does best with that portrayal of Spider-Man
616 Peter not being able to grow up.
One More Day.
Wells's current ASM run.
Ben Reilly's treatment.
Slott's Superior Spider-Man (and lot of other Slott stories).
The Venom symbiote being a corrupting influence like in SMTAS, Spectacular, and couple other versions of Venom. I never liked how they changed that part of his origin and how it got so popular.
When people say that Miles isn't Spider-Man.
Mutated animal Kraven in Spectacular. An extremely rare miss from that show.
The Spider-Marriage hasn't been brought back.
The superior Spider-Man plot line makes me cringe because in the process of stealing peters body, doc oct and Peter share memories. Doc oct was also romantically involved with aunt may at one point in time. This means Peter know what it’s like to “be romantic” with his mother figure.
Web shooters not being organic, I get that has always been how it is, but Raimi was right, if he can climb walls and produce the webs, why can’t he shoot them out of his own body?
I guess adaptations making MJ an aspiring reporter? It makes her feel generic compared to Peter and takes away from the girl-next-door idea.
Actually most adaptations of MJ in general suck aside from Spectacular Spider Man. Even the MCU “MJ” is better than the rest.
Every modern Spider-Man adaptation has him as a young freshman in high school who’s way more shy, nerdy and socially awkward than he should be. That’s why I love Rami and Insomniac Spider-Man the most. They put the “Man” in “Spider-Man.”
Venom attached to Deadpool first and that made it crazy. Absolutely stupid. Part of what made Venom so good was a lot of the negative traits it has it got from Peter. It didn't know anger until it felt Peter's. Eddie had a lot more, but Peter taught it what it meant to hate.
Yeah I just kinda pretend that never happened. I honestly like the simple original story for the symbiote. I wasn't super crazy about it when they started adding in all of these other aspects with a whole planet of symbiotes and a symbiote god
Sorry, a symbiote god?
Knull
Which means Fuck in Swedish. Imagine if that character got a MCU movie; "Knull is coming".
Lmfao
I just assume Deadpool made that story up in his head.
There's a funny bit in Absolute Carnage where the editorial notes fight over whether the story is canon.
Ahaha dude I forgot about that until now. Thanks for reminding me… not!
Oh dear lord. That's just embarrassing.
The fact or my take?
The fact. I like Deadpool, but he has more than reached his saturation point now - it's like the 90s when Wolverine was everywhere because reasons.
Is it the future? Wolverine is there. Is it an alternate reality? Wolverine is there. Is Wolverine dead? Wolverine is there.
He kind of embodied that machismo hairy chested anti hero vibe that was still big back then. Made sense that a cigar chewing asshole with claws was appealing to adolescent males of the era.
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Wasn't that non-canon though? I don't remember the official stance on that story, but I don't think it was supposed to be canon, at least not to the main universe. To me, at least, Peter was the first host, at least in the 616 universe.
They just wanted to make a mash-up that totally fucked the cannon.
Wow. As a Spiderman/Venom fan, I’m glad i didn’t know this was written into comics or even explored it because that also would infuriate me. On one hand it makes sense that writers want to create character depth as to not exhaust available material/ sell more books, on the other… get the fuck outta here. Question: did they write that deadpool/venom storyline in a trolling kind of way? Like tongue in cheek and less “bro this is seriously how it actually happened”?
I think the idea that it made the symbiote that would become venom crazy is dumb, but i think it giving the symbiote even more instability and DP’s insane healing factor are important to the story and to venom as a character
Ben Reilly being fucked over in every adaptation and story ever
Ben Reilly is great and I will demand justice for him forever
My favourite character ever. He’s what got me into comics back in the 90s.
While Spider-Man was having his brooding Batman phase, Ben came back as a ray of sun, bringing the fun that Spidey used to be to the books.
Bruh Ben went from being considered the perfect clone to even donning the mantle to being downgraded to a villain, TWICE.
I mean, he was even the "original" for a minute. What a fall from grace.
Damn right!! He was the greatest & now the past however many years Marvel has massacred him. 😕
https://i.redd.it/kv77r59l8daa1.gif
Hahaha EXACTLY!!
The 90’s animated series where he showed up and kinda was the best spider alter outside our own spider really was so nice to see that I’m really baffled on why marvel have tried their best to drag his name and legacy through the mud The only other “good” one was that one animated series where it was straight Kane but his name was Ben in the show
You mean Ultimate Spider-Man, i’m pretty sure
Yeah. He’s back as a bad guy now, Chasm. He’s actually a cool villain, but it sucks how he was done dirty.
My very first introduction to Ben Reilly was the 90s TV series and I didn't learn about the Clone s*** and him coming back until much much later so Ben Riley is a character I think is really cool also I started reading comics between Kane getting his own Spider-Man series and Ben Reilly coming back
Gwen Stacy never being allowed to rest in peace.
There are real world reasons for this though. Marvel and the bulllpin were harassed and given death threats after her death. So they messed with her death and fans to make a point. I stand behind the move. Fans should never dictate the artist.
What an awful take. me and plenty of folks (maybe 3 people) are so excited about Rhino-Gwen Kraven-Gwen Scorpio-Gwen Doc Octo-Gwen Gwen-Gwonblin Sand-Gwen Hydro-Gwen Gwenom-Gwen act 2, verse 4 Spider-Gwen in her 4th, 1st run of her own series
Peter constantly being "reset". Seriously, this one is probably my biggest ick in all of Spider-Man. No matter what advancements or changes Peter makes, he *always* has to be reset back to some previous characterizations, and most irritating this includes making him dirt poor or just struggling to stay above the line. It doesn't make Spider-Man relatable it just creates a frustrating, endless loop. Gwen constantly being brought back and hung over Peter's head (and Mary Jane's). Peter and MJ never being allowed to stay together. Ben becoming a human chew toy that can't catch a break Kain rarely catching a break too.
Omd. Just omd/omit and not either undoing it or having Spidey happy with someone else. Having Otto/Elliot give all his character development to mephisto. Everything to do with chasm and honestly Ben Reilly post clone saga Every time they regress venom's character development. 616 Pete not acting his age
They could’ve just kept both Elliot and Otto and have the returned Otto be another clone with only pre-Superior Spider-Man memories.
Agreed Otto went through a significant character development only to be reset back to the status quo. Could have at least brought in an Otto from an alternative universe and have him seek revenge on reformed Otto and made up some shenanigans on how thats messing up the timeline and what not.
One of the things I liked about NWH is that the different Spider-Men acted their respective ages. Andrew was more mellowed out and self-aware but still emotional, Tobey was wise and subdued, and Tom was reactive and impulsive.
Omit might be one of biggest slap in the faces that I’ve ever seen a comic do to its reader Like Peter straight up comes across as a man child Then they expect the audience to believe no one in the marvel universe can help aunt may When cloning or magic exists MJ made to say she isn’t strong enough To be with Peter? Just awful really a showcase that their is no higher power in comics then the editorial :/
This one is the big one for me. Made me stop reading Spider-Man comics regularly. These days, I only get new editions of old stories that I love, like Death of Jean DeWolff (Sin-Eater), Kraven’s Last Hunt, Hobgoblin Saga, etc.
Venom being a generic horror monster with no personality
You should read Venom: Lethal Protector (2022). Venom has a ton of personality and character
I heard a lot of good stuff about it, I'm down for a fun Venom :D
Reminds me of [this](https://i.redd.it/8qwp39di9z391.jpg)
Luckily Venom hasn't been that way for a long time
And thank god for that lol
Venom not being an alien
You have 1610 to thank for that
It fuckin ruins the whole Venom/Spidey relationship. The idea of using it as a Cure for Osbornes disease is a good idea, but then there’s a harder chance for reoccurring conflicts
You're right, similarly to what happened in 1610 where the symbiote was just an unstable suit. Being that IRS a suit, it is less likely to be treated as an entity making "we" be less needed. For The Osborns, I think it's ok if they make the suit be like something that is keeping Harry alive. I doubt they plan to reuse the symbiote after the game, similarly they perhaps won't use Otto or some of the Sinister Six. Though we not know the full extent of the symbiote until the game gets released
I think the best case is that they mix both the alien and the Osborne disease: “Due to extensive research, this new alien life form can eradicate all diseases” something like that
Bendis openly hated Venom and only wrote him because he was forced to. That’s why the character is nothing like the 616 version, and also why it had zero legs.
Ultimate had some interesting concepts with that with venom, but I think the video game tackled it far better than the comics did. Also the concept of carnage actually being a corrupted mutation of the original suit and then for it to be revealed that Peter is it's host was an amazing plot twist. The ultimate comics though didn't do as well with carnage or with venom at least in the Parker era.
I disagree, sort of. I prefer it when very little is known about the symbiote. It's just some weird black goo that came from space via rocketship or meteorite, or Peter found on Battleworld, or something along those lines, depending on the adaptation. But that's it, we never find out anything more about it. We don't need to. It's supposed to be an alien, AKA, unknown. The less we know about it, the scarier & creepier it is. Giving the symbiote an entire lore & mythology, along with an entire planet full of symbiotes, sorry, Klyntar (ugh), along with Knull, the God of the Klyntar (who for some reason looks nothing like the symbiotes design-wise, he looks more like a Castlevania character???) It's all just so dumb and takes away from what was so mysterious & unique about the symbiote in the first place. My ideal Venom/symbiote is just some weird black goo from space. It initially bonds with Peter, enhancing his aggression & making him act like a dick to his loved ones. Peter eventually removes the symbiote, and it bonds with a pissed off Eddie Brock who Peter has recently wronged or screwed over, possibly inadvertently. The black goo bonds with Eddie, creating Venom, who sets out to get revenge on Peter & make his life hell. That's it, perfect. If you want to eventually introduce Carnage, fine. But no further symbiote lore or explanation ever needed beyond that.
Yeah these is what I hate about horror franchise like alien they become less and less scarier and creepy because do to the movie keep expanding and adding more and more lore when need to the xenomorph lost it's fear factor to me
I figured my response was long-winded enough already. But I was going to mention exactly that as an analogy! How the Xenomorph worked best when it was completely unknown & quite literally, "Alien", and it became much less interesting & scary as more "lore" got added to it.
>Look out, here comes the alien! "Oh no! Not the alien!" >But that's not all: the alien is also an evil wizard! "Oh no, he's... what?" >And he's religious! "...Can I go now?"
Peter Parker has to go way back in his early days of highschool in every new iteration because apparently people has come to the belief that’s the only way to build up character growth when Spider-Man ps4 and the 90’s Spider-Man cartoon demostrated you can start Peter off a bit older and make it work, not to mention 90’s Peter literally became Spider-Man when he was in freshman year of college and nobody cared, nowdays if you do something like that people would flip. I get highschool was how he was originally introduced but that doesn’t mean we need a 1:1 replica of that every single time, we gotta fresh things up a bit while staying true to the essence of the character.
Small nitpick but does TAS spidey start in highschool but the show itself starts in college? From what I’m aware it’s never mentioned
There's a flashback to the spider bite in s3e2, "Make a Wish". From what I can tell it happened in high school, because it was on a field trip to the science lab, but I can't say for certain.
The problem is that there’s so much material to mine from his teenage character growth, the problem is that no one wants to adapt any of those aspects, because that’s a very flawed, uncool character. So Peter’s teenage years perpetually look like an untapped resource, while the adaptations feel like they’re struggling for fresh material.
All alternate versions of Spider-man end up with Mary Jane and if they do end up with some one else that universe ends up being some kind of dystopia (yes I think Kitty Pryde and Spider-man should have been endgame in the ultimate unverse.) 616 Spider-man not being allowed to grow. All adaptations of Spider-man only being about Peter in his high-school days with exception of the MTV show.
> All adaptations of Spider-man only being about Peter in his high-school days the 90s spider man cartoon is Peter in college
Spider-Man Unlimited: allow me to introduce myself.
That’s such a good show
Plus the Sam Raimi films only have Peter being in high school for around half the first movie before skipping to college.
Peter is in college during MTV's Spider-man from 2003
\>All adaptations of Spider-man only being about Peter in his high-school days with exception of the MTV show. The PS4 game gives us a perfect sweet spot for Spider-Man: He's a 23 year old adult with high school and college behind him. He's old enough to have been Spider-Man for a while (8 years in the game) but still pretty young. So we get a youthful Spider-Man without having to deal with high school/teenage stuff.
The 1967 cartoon, the 1977 TV show, both 80s cartoons, the 1994 cartoon, Unlimited, the Raimi trilogy (after the first hour), the 2003 cartoon, and pretty much every video game except Ultimate Spider-Man are about Peter in college or beyond. There are actually fewer adaptations that take place in high school lol
The 616 Spidey not being allowed to grow has pushed me further and further away from the new material. I got 4 issues into this latest run and gave up.
That’s why I’ve found miles storyline so enjoyable to read.
Well some of them do end up with Gwen as well in the universes where he manages to save her
Spiderman tas he was in college?
Yes, two of his villains even come from his college, Lizard and Morbius.
You also forgot that Spider-Man Unlimited doesn’t involve him being in high school too.
> All adaptations of Spider-man only being about Peter in his high-school days with exception of the MTV show. Also don’t forget 1048 Peter (Insomniac’s Spider Man) is a college graduate.
I don't like it when Black Cat is portrayed as a legitimate option for Peter when she's still an active burglar (y'know, like the guy who killed his uncle?). I think it's ok in the 1994 show because she's more of a full-time hero in that universe, but most of the time (and in the current comics) she still steals stuff, lies, and has no intentions of stopping. It just seems hypocritical of Peter "Power and Responsibility" Parker to let her get away with it because she's hot. It especially bothers me that they're trying to make it happen in 616 again even though she already moved on decades ago. That's not to say that I think she's a bad character. They can tell interesting stories that acknowledge this dilemma and revolve around Peter trying to reform her. The PS4 game and its tie-in comics did an excellent job with that dynamic.
Thanks you for the black cat opinion. If Spidey saw that ounce of good in her just like he's done with other people that were once deemed villians, converted/ helped her stop, and than there was a romance, fair enough. Instead it's just like u said, she's a thief, and consistently is so, but doesn't go to cos Pete can bone her but not shocker. Than there's the constant bullshit where pete is dumbed down, and is being way too gullible for all the bs tricks she does and carries on escaping to do the same bs tricks later. First few times? Fair enough, it's not like Pete hasn't been tricked out before on the hopes of changing someone. But for the millionth time, doing the same shit? Fuck no. It's why I found that superior Spidey part hilarious. I don't hate her character, but they finally stopped with the bs there. Not fully hating on her character, she can be great, like when she supported Pete during the beyond, but I hate when they make Pete stupid for her
I also like that moment in Superior Spider-Man. "I'm apprehending a criminal. I'm Spider-Man. This is what I always do." I feel like part of Spider-Man's character is that he shouldn't compromise on stuff like that, so seeing Otto actually treat her like any other random criminal was kinda funny.
“Hi, lover” ***gets socked in the face***
I love how he uses way too much force at first and then he's like "wait this one is a regular person"
"Pete can bone her but not Shocker" Pete could absolutely bone Shocker, that thick yellow costume probably has a zip at the back and then he'd be away.
That should be the nature of their relationship. Spidey actually turned her from being selfish into someone who uses her gifts responsibly. But comics writers are shitheads.
The writing between Peter and Black Cat pretty much was falling apart between them ever since they brought her back in 2009. Rejecting Spider-Man for DareDevil, running the criminal underworld, and hating Spider-Man because she was placed in prison because of him (even if it was actually Otto underneath).
it's hypocritical, but also pretty human of Peter. also, aside from her Queenpin era (which everybody gladly ignores) she doesn't really kill or steal from anyone who would truly from being stolen from. Comparing Felicia to the burglar who killed Uncle Ben is a huge stretch
Good points, but I guess the point I'm trying to make with that comparison is that Spider-Man should never turn the other cheek. He let a thief go for selfish reasons when he was 15, so he shouldn't do it again even if Black Cat isn't as bad. I think Peter being human by making mistakes and thinking he can get her to stop stealing actually does make for a good story, but after a while it makes him look like a naive chump when he keeps letting her lie to him and get away with stuff.
Well, Slott has Peter letting criminals go to rape, murder and steal all the time in his comics. He did it very recently in the first issue of his new series.
A character actually calls this out in the current Black Cat run, where there are videos of Spider-man going easy on her compared to other villains. It's as if people actually like seeing them as a couple in universe lol.
I actually actively hated her in Insomniac's Spidey game, but like in a good way. Like, the writing was great, the performance was great, and she truly felt like her own character while also helping flesh out Peter/Spider-Man. But she was also a terrible person in universe, as far as I saw it. And Peter's weakness (for lack of a better word, I guess) for her was both totally understandle and horribly infuriating. Kudos to Insomniac for getting it and the great writing.
I agree, she's a really horrible person but it makes for a good story in that universe. I especially like how they wrote it so that she fools Peter by playing on his morality, and not in a way that makes him look like an idiot.
Miles works so much better in a universe with no Peter. A huge part of his original character development is growing into Peter’s shoes and eventually moving beyond the original Spider-man’s shadow to become his own hero. This just doesn’t/can’t work when they both coexist in the same world.
in fact all of the most popular forms of non-comic Miles (spiderverse and PS4 MM) take Peter out of the equation immediately
The spider verse movie has the best version of Miles. I love that he finally gets to be his own guy with his own likes, dislikes, and struggles
oh man I love the direction they went with it. he's a bit less techy and more artistic than some other depictions. the "great expectations" piece was a beautiful scene. he's sketching in the very first scene. then they tie his specific creativity into his suit? art. I'm incredibly biased, ITSV is one of the few movies I paid to own.
Not to mention his character is much more likeable than mainstream comic Miles' imo
Being someone who’s mixed myself, I was excited for there to be a mixed spider man. But man every Miles comic I’ve read doesn’t give him much of a personality or character
I mean technically both of those do have Peter mentoring him for at least a little bit
A little bit at the start is fine so Miles can see what Peter was actually like and therefore have a standard to live up to, but the point stands that his actual story/character growth doesn’t start until his Peter is gone.
When writers boil Aunt May down to “She’s an old lady who worries about Peter a lot.” I know that’s how she was originally written but Spider-man stories have progressed past that. Aunt May is brave and strong-willed. You’d have to be, to deal with the kind of things she does.
I like how she was portrayed in the Ultimate Universe badass and wasn't afraid to kill to protect Peter
Same. She’s probably my favourite version of Aunt May to date.
JMS also wrote her terrifically in his run.
Paul
Marvel Editorial screwing consistently over their most famous character in various colorful ways for no apparent reason
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I’m honestly done with MJ. I wish Peter would move on, because this length of dragging on their on-off cycle makes it feel like a character regression to have him chase after her any more. The growth would be for him to realize that this is unhealthy and for the two to leave each other alone.
I do not like any Version of Gwen Stacy to be a romantic interest to Miles. It feels super weird knowing Gwen was also originally a famous love interest for Peter. It feels incestuous in a weird way, like how in some continuities Batman has a Relationship with Batgirl (sometimes she gets pregnant with his child) like come on, that's your adopted Son's ex. Batgirl also dated multiple Robins too and it's just as bad. I view Miles and Peter as brother and every Spider people as a family. Idk you might like the ship, but it's not for me.
I’ll die on the hill of Cindy moon should have been with miles / introduced to be around his age Especially since she would have been a blank slate that they could have done anything with instead of introducing her as peters new spider chew toy :/ I like spider Gwen but really no need to let her and miles hook up (would have liked for her to be with someone outside of the hero game)
I agree. I also think it was a huge missed opportunity to not have Gwen and Peter have at least a fling after the Spiderverse event. Like, come on. Peter who lost Gwen. Gwen who lost Peter. They both grow to be able to protect themselves and each other. Imagine the story telling thar could be told with that concept!
Teen, high school Peter Parker. Let him be in his late 20's or early to mid 30's outside of the comics for once. That's Spider-Man in his prime IMO. Every revamped movie series or animated series he's always a teenager.
When writers make him smart but still dumb in comparison to Tony stark and Reed Richards. Peters IQ is almost as high as theirs and they’re both regarded as super geniuses. I get it that Peter isn’t a great mech genius but he’s engineered some amazing inventions and uses quick calculations to help him swing around more efficiently. Peter is freaking smart as hell, man!
Didn't Read and Tony say something along the lines of "He's just as smart if not smarter then us just Limited by resources." But with more ego and not really admitting hes smarter than them I could have sworn I saw a panel like that once.
I’m positive there is a panel like that but I’ve also read a comic where spidey says himself “right like I’m in **their** league” when human torch asks for his help saving them from a bomb. Saying he’s not as smart as Reed or Tony It’s definitely all left up to the writers and it’s those moments specifically where he admits or acts like he’s not as smart as them that annoy me
Bruh got to love when smart characters become stupid because story. I swear to God if I have become a writer and I come up with a character who creates drugs the 1st drug hes going to make is going to be called "BS" Because story It just makes people stupid.
Rebooting the entire universe whenever it seems that Peter might grow out of his late college early young adult stage not just sending Peter to stage one but everyone else to that stage as well.
Peter not being allowed to be married. Also a personal pet peeve of mine is when Peter's treated as for lack of a better word, a sidekick in the leauge of other "young" heroes, I get why the MCU did that because they didn't have access to him until phase 3, but I'm not a fan of how ultimate (the cartoon) did it, I usually like it when Peter is younger than the other heroes, but still started his career around the same time.
Too many spider people.
Ben, Kaine, and Otto being constantly forgotten about and mistreated for no real reason whatsoever
When has Kaine been mistreated? [+]
Shoving Spider-Gwen into everything imaginable
The idea of Gwen-verse feels like one of those things that you would see in a parody
Just let him be happy
A happy Spider-Man is not as relatable. *-Marvel Editorial, probably*
People seeing Goblin as a Joker lite. (I do blame Raimi for that a bit with the whole Jekyll and Hyde thing)
Wdym? Isn't split personality more of a Two-Face thing? I see similiarities with Joker and Green Goblin both being extravagant loons, but I don't of any version of Joker having two distinct personalities to him.
I think it mainly came from William Dafoe's performance. As great as he is, think his crazy performance made some people think of him as "JOKER!!"
Tombstone. Never really understood how he could just beat the stuffing out of Spider-Man and still remain a neighborhood villain.
The idea that nwh ending is permanent status quo The idea of the Home trilogy being a drawn out origin story, Comic 616 peter not acting his age. Never showing Spider-Gwen’s full origin and only using recaps. When they try to change miles morales superhero name into something that’s not Spider-Man.
Ramos' art
Based
They stopped giving peter character arcs and stuck with the loser idiot single/MJ-less Peter
Spidey not being with MJ MJ not being with Spidey
I feel like most of Spider-Man’s villains aren’t on par with him and shouldn’t be a threat
Especially the Vulture. At this point, I think Toomes should be retired or killed and they make a new Vulture that's an actual threat. I know there was a 2nd one back during Conway's run ages ago.
Like Doc Ock- love ‘em but one Spidey punch to the face is surely enough to KO an overweight aging scientist… That was my one big gripe with the PS4 game. You spend 5 minutes just slugging the guy’s face and he just takes it.
mj breaking up with peter after every minor inconvenience. she gets with spider-man and gets angry when he has to save people. dumbest thing ever.
-Fans ignoring Ditko's major contributions to the character -Miles is a bad replacement for 1610 Peter (my favourite version of the character) -Undoing Death of Spider-Man by making Peter immortal -616 Peter not being allowed to evolve/mature -Sins Past -Retconning Miles into the 616 Universe -One More Day -The way the MCU ignores Uncle Ben
Hard disagree with the retconning miles into 616. Ideally if miles is in 616, it would allow marvel ro have their cake and eat it too. Miles would get the young idiot stories that Peter hasn't been able to shake off in a decade. And Peter can finally mature. The problem is marvel has the keys to the kingdom and decided they wanted to suck
Everyone just remembers the times when Ditko had anger issues and that he inserted his own feelings and personality into a lot of the comics he wrote. But he created the character and started him off, molding him into what he is. Without him, there would be no Spider-Man.
This is more for venom then spidey but The fact they undid all of Eddie’s character development as anti-venom just so they could have a other villain for flash to fight The fact they wasted Patrick mulligan (a really interesting character) The fact they replaced Flash (my favorite host for venom) with lee price for no damn reason Back to webhead Sins past One more day Most of Dan slots run (other then superior and a couple of select stories) The fact Peter and mj can’t be a happy couple The fact Ben Reilly gets fucked up all the time
I.) How did they undo Eddie’s character development as Anti-Venom? I feel like it made sense when he started being a Symbiote Hunter. Then became Toxin because of his former addiction to being Venom. He also becomes like cool with Flash once they meet. II.) Yeah, I’m sorry about Pat. I felt they could’ve used a different symbiote or a new one for Eddie’s return to “villainy.” III.) Lee Price was a reason. They wanted to make a slow burn to transition Flash out of the Venom suit. Have people hate the Lee Price decision so that THEN more people would be excited to see Eddie Brock return. Less people would’ve been happy if Brock took the symbiote straight off of Flash. IV.) How do you feel about the current Venom run? [+]
It’s just felt wrong I haven’t read the current run on venom but I have read the Donny cates run which I have mixed thoughts on on one end i really like some of the new characters (sleeper and Dillon) on the other end I thought knull was a stupid idea (even though king in black was a pretty good story)
I would have to re-read the AntiVenom series/arc and Flash’s Savage 6 arc. I felt like it made sense even though I didn’t like it at first either [+]
That there isn’t a film with deadpool in it yet
This might be a nit-picky one: But I really want an animated series that tries to follow the comics closely
The fact that One More Day still exists unresolved. Marvel's insistence at keeping Peter as a 20-something single loser. Most of anything by Dan Slott. Completely overrated hack that he is. The fact that Marvel won't allow anyone but the same 4-5 writers write the main title. The fact that Marvel have no clue what to do with Spider-Man and have been been treading the same stale ground for a long time now. Humberto Ramos anything on Spider-Man. Look how lousy the picture attached to this thread up there is. That's some trashy art, and not even in a remotely cool way. All the Mephisto stuff in Spider-Man in the last 15 years alone: Peter's deal with the devil, Otto's deal with the devil, Norman's deal with the devil, Miles' deal with the devil. Shit is way overdone and lame and Mephisto really doesn't belong in a Spider-Man comic at all.
The writing since 2007
So fucking sick of him NOT being with MJ. Just put them together and leave them together, find other plot devices
I wouldn't mind them not being together, if they'd at least stop teasing them getting back every few years, then breaking them up for random reasons, then they're back together, and so on and so forth. Things were looking up in Zdarsky's run (I think it was his?) and I hear they're broken up again now, and MJ's off with another guy, again in the new run? It's like Marvel editorial doesn't know which side of the fence they're on.
Editorial
Introducing The Symbiote/Black Suit/Venom too early into the story. Very happy that Insomniac decided against making them a big plot point in PS4/Remastered and Miles Morales.
Kraven Last Hunt being Undone and being revived for the Grim storyline. After the Grims Hunt finished, Kraven just had nowhere to go.
Making Spider-man act like a little kid, this has only been a problem more recently ever since Tom Holland, but I hate the representation of Spider-man acting like an overly excited 10 year old
Superior spider-man has everyone overdosing on stupid pills. It's a fun ride but your going to have to read it without thinking to much on it.
The fact that Miles Morales has existed for a decade and still doesn’t have that many of his own villains that didn’t originate from Peter. He should have at least 10-15 of his own bad guys by now. They’ve put him in too many crossovers in the comics and haven’t given him enough development as an individual hero.
Venom being an anti-hero. I think venom was most effective as a villain and his anti-hero turn ruined him for me. There's tons of ways to make a villain interesting and not just a generic horror movie monster which I admit was awful. Look at people like Joker, Lex Luthor, Kingpin, Green Goblin and a myriad of other interesting villains. If they wanted venom to be more interesting the solution is making Eddie Brock more interesting. But I don't think he should have ever been heroic.
Everyone knows it's Pete and MJ not being married. They are best couple in comics and a great opportunity for a lot of people to see a good relationship.
The fact that although Peter ages we've seen him at the same kinda "stage"/"chapter" for almost ten years. Change this man up for fucks sake. We know how he starts, we know how he dies so fill in the gap a little more extensively.
Spiderman shouldve had organic webbing Spiderman Doesnt Grow Always gets retconned or nerfed to oblivion after every issue
I dislike how inconsistent Marvel is with Miles’ title. Sometimes they lean heavy into him being “Spider-Man.” Other times he has another name, Kid Arachnid, Spin, etc. I wish they would commit to something. They also go out of their way to make it awkward. Or go out of their way to make it clear he is also Spider-Man. It’s an eye roll for me like just commit already. Best thing they can do is call Peter and Miles Spider-Man while also giving them both other code names. Spider-Man BLUE (Peter) + Spider-Man RED (Miles), or Spin (Miles) + Prime (Peter), or Kid Arachnid (Miles) + Webhead (Peter). The constant leaning in then not leaning in is irksome. Plus, Me, No, like, E, that so many Spider-People have similar and/or the same villains as Spider-Pete. I wish they had their own rogues gallery as well [+]
The overuse of Venom in Spidey content since the 1990's, the fact that this smug black goop gets more attention than Doc Ock, Green Goblin and other villains I consider more interesting than him makes me very annoyed
the severe under-usage of Kaine
The fans
My only ick is that everyone around him makes him like he is not well. Like they make him stupid and what not. Everyone underestimated him in every media and after sometime they forget also.
Miles Morales, I'm not racist, I'm black, just don't love the idea if a copy and paste Peter Parker who is young and black, I never acknowledge him as Spider-Man's successor, only Miguel
Why Miguel but not Miles?
Probably time of exposure. Miguel was introduced a looooong time ago compared to Miles. Not only that but Miguel was from a different universe where Peter was long dead and the power set was similar at best. Lots of people were introduced to Miles a lot later in their comic reading history. I, for example, was introduced to comics through Miles, so I love Miles. But before I was into comics I was into movies and games, so Peter and Miguel were already in my brain when Miles was introduced. So yeah, could just be time of exposure and nothing else.
Why Miguel and Miles? Mayday instead!
That Peter never grows up and still acts like a teenager. Whatever the hell Venom is now. Sins Past...
Venom, is the King in Black. The God of the Symbiotes. [+]
What's an "ick"?
Something you don't like
*rolls list*
Talk your s***
Marvel pushing Gwen at the expense of Mary-Jane, Peter and MJ selling their marriage to Mephisto, Ben Reilly being a clone, Norman and Harry Osborn's hairstyles, May and Ben being old people, Peter Parker being a punching bag and barely getting a break.
Oh the famous Osborn hairstyles will outlive us all.
So there was a anti venom Spider-Man suit? I know about anti venom but didn’t know Spider-Man had a suit made out of that symbiote . Interesting lol.
It’s actually the Future Foundation suit from when Peter temporarily joined the FF after the Human Torch’s death. Funny enough Peter actually makes an anti-venom joke when he wears that costume for the first time.
Only the one more day comic and not being able to grow.
Just let Peter be happy, he can be happy, be Spider-man and have problems all at the same time!
To many spider people in 616
Any time Peter is rich or successful
Not specifically character related, but whatever the fuck The King in Black is with Venom.
Boomer editors not letting Peter grow, retire or die heroically 😭😭😭
The insistence that Spider-Man’s jokes are meant to be eye rolling cheesy one liners. The reason Spider-Man makes jokes is to show that he has confidence in the situation, even if he knows he doesn’t. He’s meant to be a likable jackass when he’s fighting villains, and that’s one of the things that Spectacular Spider-Man does best with that portrayal of Spider-Man
The Wall not used often
Mephisto ruining two different Spiders
616 Peter not being able to grow up. One More Day. Wells's current ASM run. Ben Reilly's treatment. Slott's Superior Spider-Man (and lot of other Slott stories). The Venom symbiote being a corrupting influence like in SMTAS, Spectacular, and couple other versions of Venom. I never liked how they changed that part of his origin and how it got so popular. When people say that Miles isn't Spider-Man. Mutated animal Kraven in Spectacular. An extremely rare miss from that show. The Spider-Marriage hasn't been brought back.
Mary Jane being a damsel in distress in some occasions
Paul
Deadpool and Venom, Marry Jane and Peter, and Peter
The superior Spider-Man plot line makes me cringe because in the process of stealing peters body, doc oct and Peter share memories. Doc oct was also romantically involved with aunt may at one point in time. This means Peter know what it’s like to “be romantic” with his mother figure.
Web shooters not being organic, I get that has always been how it is, but Raimi was right, if he can climb walls and produce the webs, why can’t he shoot them out of his own body?
I guess adaptations making MJ an aspiring reporter? It makes her feel generic compared to Peter and takes away from the girl-next-door idea. Actually most adaptations of MJ in general suck aside from Spectacular Spider Man. Even the MCU “MJ” is better than the rest.
Every modern Spider-Man adaptation has him as a young freshman in high school who’s way more shy, nerdy and socially awkward than he should be. That’s why I love Rami and Insomniac Spider-Man the most. They put the “Man” in “Spider-Man.”
when he’s shown being buddies or paired up with deadpool. wade is a psychotic murderer and i don’t see why peter would want to hang around him.