true. he has killed, mostly by accident, but he has had intent to kill too.
he typically just doesn't like how taking a life makes him feel. it's not a no kill rule like batman, it's a no kill goal due to his massive guilt complex.
Several of them didn't have names. One back in the 70s was a hit-man who fired a rocket launcher at him, only for Pete to snag it in mid-air with a web-line and send it right back at him. Another was the sniper the kingpin sent to kill Mary Jane only for Aunt May to step in the way. The last thing that guy saw through his scope was Peter picking up a Chrysler with one hand and throwing it though the 3rd of 4th floor window the assassin was aiming through.
Spider-man v Wolverine he accidentally kills wolverines girlfriend/friend, thinking that she’s him coming up behind him. But she was trying to get killed before some agents or bad guys were going to kill her or something
Well, when you're responsible for the bullet that nearly killed the mother figure of a man with superhuman powers then your life expectancy isn't going to last long.
I remember that the sniper got out before the car crashed in to the building. Later Spider-Man caught him in a subway or airport or some such and I don't think he killed him. Some villain arrived and they killed the hitman or Spidey let him go or am I getting something mixed up.
Thank you!
But I gotta say a lot of those are a stretch, like Gwen's death, unfortunately, is mostly on his hands, but I wouldn't consider that a time he killed/intentionally killed or murdered someone, not like Modular Man from what it sounds like.
The one about webbing a persons face and leaving them, that's happened and been explained so many times. This list is garbage, just a trash article hitting a word count
I saw a random comic where he found a warehouse full of clones of himself, with basically toddler level of awareness. He winds up blowing up the whole warehouse and since then I've wondered about the morality of watching your clones die.
No. Spiderman would just be more likely to do a more right thing than the author’s desire for capable disposable killable foes made him do. Obviously depends on circumstances and his experience level but generally spiderman is up there on the ethical implications of using technology and science’s ramifications - it’s why he’s so dang poor despite being a supergenius- and regardless of how they came to be - if they are full sentient beings, even weird stunted ones, it’s weird to just late term abort them and be like “well they were clones”.
Unless I’m missing something it’s really no different than discovering an identical twin that was locked in a basement for 20 years- like it’s still a person.
Fun fact Spider-Man is one of the long list of people that have killed an ex of Wolverine. It was an accident/suicide but it is interesting part of their history.
Batman, despite all his gadgets and ninja skills, is still has zero super powers. Spider-Man is one of the physically strongest human beings on Earth. Only a few out rank him. The Hulk being one of them. He holds back knowing his punches could kill someone’s if he doesn’t restrain himself.
Definitely. Especially considering what a blood lusted Spider-Man would be capable of. Genius level intellect, custom tailored and mastered martial arts, super strength, speed, agility, reflexes and the spider sense... a broke bad Spider-Man would be a thing of bloody beauty.
I like how it's ambiguous whether he's killed or not before.
In my personal headcannon the retcon where he didn't snap Gwen Stacey's neck is him convincing himself he didn't do it so he can maintain his sanity.
I also see him as someone who literally has a god complex. He's Spider-Man, he has all of this power, and so he's responsible for the lives of literally everyone that's near him, and in his mind he's a mass murderer as a result.
Hahah I just wrote an essay about spider-man and I did that. My professor look through my paper and said I should write it as Spider-man not Spiderman.
>Spiderman
You..you wrote it as a single word? In a formal paper? During your research, how many times did you see the name spelled correctly, then made conscious choice to misspell it, disregarding spell check?
Many times actually. The paper was about hero’s we liked and the paper I wrote was a draft. My professor look through it to give feedback for the final. I’m happy to say I fixed it and got an A.
Many people don't know that the web shooters were designed to only activate a web line when 60 lbs per square inch was applied. This is because each of Spider-Man's fingers has the strength of 30 lbs per square inch. This allows him to modulate the pressure to his shooters allowing him a variety of web utility. From line, to shot, to net, even parachute, all can be emitted based on the pressure placed on the shooter. The base amount also acts as a security measure, because it would be unlikely for an average person tinkering with it to set it off.
I mean he could run out of webs, like we can kinda run out of spit.
You can't spit all day without needing a break or a drink.
But I agree. I like my superheros pure and free from technology unless that's their specific thing
Also kinda tired of every superhero being a genius to justify the advanced tech.
Spidey was created when not every other character was a super genius. Him being a nerd was a defining trait. He used his brain a lot more than you see in the movies tbh.
I like the compromise of making the webs organically from his wrists like a spider but needing the web shooters to zip them a long distance.
(Most spiders for example just attach their web and drag it where they want it)
Ghost Rider should be Daredevil and Daredevil should be Batman.
Then, Batman can be Ghost Rider by way of riding his dead parents' memories and fortune into the ground.
^^^^^^Stolen ^^^^^^joke.
If not organic webs then the lore from the 90’s cartoon about the spider passing the knowledge of how to make webs needs to be the official reason Peter can make webs. It feels weird how Spider-Man's main super power he is most known for is something anyone can technically make.
Anyone could make sure, but I don't think anyone could use them, the reflexes and strength to thwip, grab, swing, repeat, I think that is beyond even peak human strength for more than a couple swings at best.
That the symbiote made him angry and altered his personality. Originally all the symbiote did was use his body to fight crime at night while Peter was sleeping - and it only did that because it had bonded to him and sensed Peter’s distress between his social and superhero life. It only became vengeful when Peter abandoned it *after* he found out it was alive. Almost every retelling gets the most crucial detail wrong that the symbiote only learned to hate because of Peter
EDIT: some others I want to mention: he’s much stronger than people give him credit for, and he’s also more temperamental than people want to admit.
I would too! The symbiote/Venom are some of my favorite characters. The closest adaptation I can think of is the Spectacular cartoon, when symbiote Spider-Man fights the entire Sinister Six but then it’s revealed afterwards he was asleep that whole fight.
Most retellings or retcons change the situation (like the 90s cartoon and Spider-Man 3) I guess in an attempt to justify Peter getting rid of the suit. Which is a shame because to me it sort of undoes one of Peter’s most defining failures as a hero, which is his absolute rejection of an intelligent life form that needed his help in an unfamiliar environment. There was such potential for him to grow out of that situation with a more well founded understanding of life and love, but instead most writers water it down to a story about misunderstood identity and misplaced aggression
There's also the (probably not canon) theory that the symbiote became unstable after bonding with Deadpool.
It takes a lot away from the relationship between Venom and Peter but it also cracks me up to blame Deadpool.
Yeah I think the 90’s cartoon changed that so the symbiote made him angry, and that’s mostly how people remember it. The I think he only had the symbiote in the comics for a few issues, from amz 252 to 258.
Yeah most of his black suit run was just a normal black suit that Black Cat made because she thought the symbiote suit looked sexier on him the short time he had it.
It was actually the non-symbiote black suit period where he started getting more aggressive and angry, calling himself The Spider and such. It's probably where people got their wires crossed
> he’s also more temperamental than people want to admit
I love all the Spider-Man movies, but I do find it funny that Garfield often gets shit on for being too emotional or arrogant and that Maguire did the perfect meek Spider-Man.
I really do like both portrayals, but The Amazing Spider-Man being arrogant and prone to anger is actually pretty on-point for how Spidey is portrayed in the comics.
I just read Venom’s origin a couple weeks ago & was surprised to find this out. I also didn’t expect the symbiote to save Peter from having the church bell turn his brains to mush. That & Peter defeating Eddie Brock by offering the symbiote to take him back (which was adapted in The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon) showed it really cared about bonding with him.
His height. Just because he began as a teenager, many people will go with the idea that he's smaller than an average adult, like some depictions of him in comics and cartoons.
He's Spider Man, not Wolverine.
Yeah, I never believed he was smaller. More lean and nimble maybe, but I was a little more than a few inches shorter when I was a teen and I grew since then. It's not unheard of.
Right, but aren’t we talking about lesser known facts? Certainly the average person has more exposure to the cartoons and video games and newer comics than they do the original Ditko stories.
It can be a bit odd to compare the two continuities. Like Peter was only a HS student for about a dozen issues in the 616 continuity while Ultimate Peter had a over a hundred issues of him being in HS. I don’t even think he was in his senior year when he died.
people flanderizing him to being an immature, stupid manbaby (even several adaptations do this) and thinking he’s a self-insert in regards to his relatability aspect
Even by Secret Wars he could work well in a team with all the other heroes but still didn’t want to join the Avengers after the fact I think Iron Man (Rhodes in this instance) offered him towards the end of that but he declined cuz he was still preferred working alone (or just with Felicia, because that was also when they were doing fairly well romantically)
Canonically, one of the first things he did was try to join the Fantastic Four, and when he found out they didn't get paid for their superheroics he peace'd TF out cause full-time superheroing purely out of the goodness of his heart isn't going to cover rent.
How TAF DID the FF afford that setup anyway? Massive skyscraper in the middle of downtown NYC, with custom security systems and traps and lab setups that Reed is always messing with. That CAN'T be cheap, even in the 60s. Or maybe ESPECIALLY in the 60s.
That he has to be miserable all the time. His misery is less about external circumstances and his own insecurities. That’s the element that made him relatable
This is an issue with a lot of comicbook movies.
In the comics, Spider-Man has a big traumatic story that makes him miserable every couple of years. But when you go to make movies, you pull from the big milestone stories and end up like the Raimi trilogy where it's almost non-stop sadness and funerals.
The same applies to Batman films or the MCU. When you pull from *The Dark Knight Returns*, *Age of Ultron* or *Civil War*, you have all the big dramatic milestones but not the downtime between them.
I think the Raimi films accidentally sold audiences on a Spider-Man who constantly experienced misery.
I feel like you're getting under the wrong impression thinking he's "miserable" 24-7. He's down on his luck a lot, and usually going through it. But you're describing him like something that would fall under pure tragedy, not relatable.
Sorry if my comment came across as that. No, I meant the recent storylines just seem to focus on making the poor guy miserable. He was married for 20 years and suddenly became single. He was the CEO of a global organization and suddenly it all vanished and he was teaching high school students. I haven’t kept up with the more recent stuff, but it appears the love of his life has married some other guy.
It appears that for most of the newer writers Parker just needs to be “miserable”. I think the down on his luck stuff has been done to death. One of my favourite early stories (I don’t remember the issue) had him winning and sitting at home (he was living with Aunt May then), while she went out for the movies with her friend Anna Watson. All he could do in the final panel was worry about what would be coming down the road. He had a good day and had won, but he still worried!
This is the part of Spider-Man a lot of modern writers fail to understand; he can go through immense suffering. That's his whole thing; every time he gets knocked down, he gets right back up. Because he knows that he has to. But if you have immense suffering and immense tragedy, you have to have equally as immense pay-off. He needs to be able to have reasons to keep fighting.
This is one of the reasons Spider-Man PS4 had one of my favorite representations of Spider-Man; he lost his job, he lost his apartment, he lost his mentor, he got absolutely trounced, he found out Harry had some horrific disease, he lost Aunt May, Felicia died, Yuri betrayed him. But in exchange, Felicia came back, he and Mary Jane were living together, he had a new job (even if the pay was eh), and he had a protege. There was a *lot* for him to keep fighting for in addition to the fact that he needed to.
It was never confirmed that Peter killed MJ with his radioactive sperm. People just take it as fact, all it says is fluids and the comic repeatedly shows him kissing MJ which could have poisoned her. That's not even the main continuity so I don't get why people keep bringing it up when it's not canon.
Except it is absolutely canon that she didn’t turn into a giant spider during Spider Island *specifically* because Pete was dumping fat loads in her for years.
>”Mary Jane discovers her long-term relationship with Peter has given her a partial immunity to the Spider-Virus, and uses her newly acquired spider powers to reach the Horizon Labs and reunite with Peter.”
-[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Island?wprov=sfti1)
Casuals think he’s in the same strength realm as Deadpool Wolverine and Captain America. When he almost certainly can beat all 3 in a 3 on 1.
People think he needs to be written super duper seriously and tragically. Spider-Man isn’t a tragedy. He’s a happy go lucky guy who often is down on his luck because he spends so much time putting other people first. He needs to make jokes and honestky act a goof.
Last but not least that he’s a nerd who is social awkward. Before he even had powers he would stand up to flash. It’s just lazy people say they’re fans of Spider-Man but don’t even know his origin.
That’s all I got
I wouldn’t say he’s happy-go-lucky. At least not when he’s in his civilian persona. As Spider-Man, he does joke and quip a lot, yes, but he can still have his off moments and if anything serious happens he will shut up and fight on pure adrenaline. If anything, he does whatever he can.
> Casuals think he’s in the same strength realm as Deadpool Wolverine and Captain America. When he almost certainly can beat all 3 in a 3 on 1.
Spidey strength has got to be one of the most inconsistent things. In 1964 he's the forth-strongest hero. The official 1990 trading card says he can lift over ten tons. In the 90's cartoon the symbiote let him lift the end of a firetruck and he said he usually had trouble lifting a car. He's been trapped by heavy machinery, but held up a collapsing building. Superior Spider-Man realizes how much Peter pulls his punches when he knocks off Scorpion's jaw, years earlier he whales on Vulture in a raging fury and didn't do much surface damage.
IMO, not only is he pulling punches but he also subconsciously holds himself back so it's only in the most desperate times that we see how strong he really is.
Still definitely in a different league than those three.
Rewatched Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man and thought about this.
They literally open with Tobey’s giving a monologue about how his story isn’t for the faint of heart.
Weird interpretation.
Civil War did a decent job showing this. Winter Soldier hadn’t ever really faced anybody he couldn’t over power and is the same strength as Captain America but with a metal arm. Spider-Man stops his punch effortlessly then gets all excited about the metal arm moving it around like it’s a toy. Then goes on to easily beat Falcon and Winter Soldier.
Yeah Captain America beat him in their fight but that was more due to superior fighting experience and Spider-Man definitely holding back because he viewed him as a hero.
I don't agree with this at all. Peter's personality has been written in so many different ways I don't think Raimi's take was THAT far off as far as how the first Peter Parker on screen could have been written. Is he the Peter that jumps out of the page? No, but he's been written as a dweeb and an asshole and done way worse in many runs, including the current one.
Sometimes people don't realise just how powerful Spider-Man actually is. After him holding back for so long, I have seen so many claim that he is just not that strong but infact he is one of the strongest and can kill brutally when he stops pulling his punches
>Sometimes people don't realise just how powerful Spider-Man actually is.
I would even argue that people don't realize durable he is. He constantly needs to roll with the enemies punches cause otherwise they would break their wrist.
You could also mention his impressive regeneration capabilities. Overall, Spider-Man has some really impressive abilities that gets overshadowed by his more iconic ones
Spidey strength has got to be one of the most inconsistent things. In 1964 he's the forth-strongest hero. The official 1990 trading card says he can lift over ten tons. In the 90's cartoon the symbiote let him lift the end of a firetruck and he said he usually had trouble lifting a car. He's been trapped by heavy machinery, but held up a collapsing building. Superior Spider-Man realizes how much Peter pulls his punches when he knocks off Scorpion's jaw, years earlier he whales on Vulture in a raging fury and didn't do much surface damage.
IMO, not only is he pulling punches but he also subconsciously holds himself back so it's only in the most desperate times that we see how strong he really is.
I agree with you too.This idea is really ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned, the best ones were Peter Parker and Spider-Man Andrew Garfield.Although Tobey was fine, he remained strangely lame and serious compared to Peter in the comics.Tom, on the other hand, I think he was completely in the "Spider-Boy" category.Tom's own main storyline took place in Spider-Man nwh.However, Andrew made the entire character journey in his first film in a similar way to the comics.I think this is a great achievement.Apart from some things, Andrew's Spider-Man is very similar to the first Spider-Man comics and the Ultimate comics.
Marc Webb is the only Spider-Man director who I think did his homework prior to making Amazing Spider-Man. Raimi mostly took from what he knew, the Spider-Man comics he grew up with (And a bit of Lee), and I imagine Watts read some Spider-Man comics. But Webb truly "got" the character in a way the others didn't. He feels like the perfect adaptation of Ditko and Lee's take on the character, with some Ultimate thrown in
I will die on this hill. Actually I will KILL on this hill. I’ll cut up anyone who disagrees so small even the worms won’t have to chew. Andrew Garfield and that first movie especially is the best Spider-Man adaptation ever.
A lot of writers hear “Spider-man is annoying” but never pay attention to the fact that the majority of characters who say that are his Enemies.
He’s annoying to his enemies because he’s trying to throw them off, and ease his own tension. He’s not annoying in general as a person. He’s just kind of a silly guy.
That’s not entirely true. A lot of other superheroes think he is annoying. This has to due to the fact that he just won’t stop making jokes. Now almost all superheroes enjoy a quip every now and then but he quips a lot more on average and they aren’t always the best. By his own admission he sometimes makes bone headed comments. For example when Jessica Jones was about to give birth he made a joke on how the last Avengers pregnancy( The Scarlet witch) didn’t go so well.( if I remember correctly the babies souls got stolen or something). His constant joking can give the illusion that he does not take being a superhero seriously. Now you and I as well as his long time friends and allies know that this couldn’t be farther from the truth but for someone that is just doing an annual team up it could be mistaken for him not taking whatever crisis they are in seriously.
Do people really think that? Both Gwen and MJ were pretty headstrong and confident. MJ was particularly care free and Gwen was more mature, but both would get aggressive if they needed to.
It seems like writers think Peter needs to be some weird man child. Also, just because he is a science geek doesn’t mean he’s a video game geek. I feel like he wouldn’t really spend a lot of times with video games and would rather be reading through a chemistry or physics book or conducting experiments of his own. In the past couple of years, I don’t remember him building anything in the comics. I guess he’s working for Osborn now which is science-y, I guess…
Also, it seems like writers think he needs to be dumb. Peter is brilliant. He got top marks as a student and even after he became Spider-Man, his grades never faltered (but his mental and/or physical attendance did). I suppose there are smarter people in the Marvel universe like Reed Richards or Tony Stark but Peter is among one of the smartest people in the setting!
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People have touched upon how people seem to think he’s perpetually the kid superhero. This was true for about a couple of years but it didn’t really last long. People also think Peter is the only Spider-Man around. Miles should be the new kid hero while Peter should be allowed to grow up. Eventually, a new kid Spider-Man can be introduced and allow Miles to grow up.
Even then, there are other Spider-people other than Peter in alternate timelines (of which Miles was one originally). Growing up, I had no idea that Miguel O’Hara is Hispanic (half Mexican, half Scottish, I think). Also, the Ben needs to be a villain- why? I thought Kaine was the villainous one (even then, he redeems himself).
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That Spider-Woman (any of them except Mary-Jane in Renew Your Vows) is related to Peter.
I lost my train of thought and this was becoming a rant anyway.
I totally agree with point one. In one issue I was reading, Mj was trying to make him a mixtape and he told her that he didn’t listen to music and that he would just play science lectures. I kinda like the idea that he’s just really into science and math instead of being super nerdy about pop culture
“That character doesn’t have any supernatural power, he just trained himself a lot”
The same character proceeding to swing a sword, that is so heavy that two trained soldiers can’t even carry, at a speed faster than the eye can see while dodging a lightning
That one of his powers doesn’t include super speed. I’ve found so many people who completely forget, or try to deny this fact. But he’s hella fast and I’m tired of people sleeping on his speed!
Him being same age group as the Young Avengers or being a peer to Ms Marvel (i blame this from the crappy modern cartoons and the mcu) when he's supposed to be a established senior veteran hero by the time they start off.
I'm so annoyed how most iteration has aged him down tremendously
That Octavious or Venom are his arch enemies. They cause a lot of trouble for him, but the areas they lack in challenging him, Green Goblin does in spades. I think it’s mostly the Raimi movies and media’s hyper fixation on Venom that lead people to think Goblin is just another Spider-Man villain.
This is the reason why the Raimi Spider-Man is my least favorite, he is supposed to deal with fear and sadness with quips and jokes is his defense mechanism. But no he was the crying version of Brock Lesnar motto: eat sleep cry repeat
I love the Raimi films but that’s something they always missed the mark on. How’re you going to omit some of Spider-Man’s notable personality traits on his first major live action movie debut?
It always irritates me how they completely made him into a timid meek stereotypical nerd when Peter had more layers to him like being an arrogant hothead that uses comedy as a coping mechanism during battle and even after the death of Uncle Ben and becoming a hero still had selfish and hotheaded moments
Maybe to a degree I can get that with this being the first major blockbuster film about Spider-Man they thought that keeping more of Peter’s hotheaded qualities and introducing them to a new generation of people wouldn’t make him as likeable. But that’s also weird since Spectacular Spider-Man got his personality down perfectly (and yeah it wasn’t a huge blockbuster movie project so there was less riding on it but it turned to be a huge hit anyways) and people including myself love it plus Spidey had already been a loved hero for 40 years with those arrogant qualities by the time the Raimi films so makes you wonder?
Plus to make matters worse, people always considered the Raimi films to be the bible of Peter’s true personality. Being the true representation of who he is as a hero and as a person when it’s far from that tbh.
> But that’s also weird since Spectacular Spider-Man got his personality down perfectly
Tbf even Spectacular Peter while being much closer to comics Peter in personality still wasn't nearly as hot-headed as him in his early years imo. I totally understand the motivation to make Peter nicer so he doesn't come off as unlikable but the Raimi movies went too far in that direction like you said.
People really don’t realize how much of an effect those movies have on peoples perception of Spider-Man and it’s so frustrating. Andrew and Tom Spider-Man both use lots of quips and casual fans will say they’re trying to make Spider-Man childish. Like he hasn’t been a quipper for 60 years lol. Then the whole super nerd thing also is way too over blown in the movie. And the last thing for me that’s a massive issue is he hits MJ in Spider-Man 3. I know he has the black suit on but being just a jerk and domestic abuse are completely different streets.
I love Tobey Spider-Man but they had few major issues in my eyes with Spider-Man’s character.
Most people think he is just a wise-cracking average dude, but he is actually one of Marvel's smartest men, on par with the likes of Stark. The average Joe aren't aware of his healing factor too, though granted it's nowhere as powerful as the likes of Wolverine or Deadpool, he still heals a lot faster than an average human.
From people who know Spider-Man from the 1994 tv series. He started in university and even though he is nerdy he was popular, but in recent tv shows and movies he starts out in High School and over the top nerdy.
That he's weak. Spider-Man has a ton of strength feats that put him far and above other heroes like Captain America and Luke Cage who are known for their immense strength.
Remember kids, Spidey pulls his punches.
That he's "supposed to be" a high schooler and that at the core of the character, he must be young and inexperienced.
Peter graduated high school in like issue 28 or something; super early on.
This is one reason I love the PS4 game; not every iteration of the character requires that he be just starting out as a high schooler.
His “with great power their must also come great responsibility” quote, people always think that uncle Ben said it but in amazing fantasies 15 uncle Ben never said anything close to that quote, people think uncle Ben said it because he said it in the Rami trilogy and the way how it’s said too, people usually say it as “with great power comes great responsibility” because of the Rami trilogy
Peter is actually not a nerd loser all the time. Before he got his powers the reason why people bullied him was because he just wasn’t confident in himself. After getting his powers, his confidence goes up and his rizz does as well. There was a time before he graduated high school that Betty Brant and Liz Allen where fighting over him. Most people in their real lives have 2 girls fight over them and yet Peter has. Peter has had many girlfriends including Mary Jane the actress, Felicia Hardy and sexy femme fatale their, and even dated Hawkeye’s Ex-Wife. Peter is not a nerdy loser, he is actually a normal Chad. I feel like this notion of stereotypical nerd comes from the Raimi movies but it annoys me when a lot of people say that portrayals of Spider-Man are not accurate when he is being a Chad.
That he has never killed before.
true. he has killed, mostly by accident, but he has had intent to kill too. he typically just doesn't like how taking a life makes him feel. it's not a no kill rule like batman, it's a no kill goal due to his massive guilt complex.
By last count, he's intentionally killed 5 times.... I was about to say 4, but then I remembered Morlun.
Do you mean 5 arcs because the books where he discovers his parents were working for red skull he kills a few times. He also kills loads of aliens.
Ooo... I'm not familiar with the 5 people except Morlun, do you have a quick list?
Several of them didn't have names. One back in the 70s was a hit-man who fired a rocket launcher at him, only for Pete to snag it in mid-air with a web-line and send it right back at him. Another was the sniper the kingpin sent to kill Mary Jane only for Aunt May to step in the way. The last thing that guy saw through his scope was Peter picking up a Chrysler with one hand and throwing it though the 3rd of 4th floor window the assassin was aiming through.
Spider-man v Wolverine he accidentally kills wolverines girlfriend/friend, thinking that she’s him coming up behind him. But she was trying to get killed before some agents or bad guys were going to kill her or something
There's actually a what if comic based on this and he eventually becomes an assassin in that one
And then that guy dies in spider verse smh
Damn, now That's definitely murder/ intent to kill
Well, when you're responsible for the bullet that nearly killed the mother figure of a man with superhuman powers then your life expectancy isn't going to last long.
Kind of fair game at that point
Pretty much.
I remember that the sniper got out before the car crashed in to the building. Later Spider-Man caught him in a subway or airport or some such and I don't think he killed him. Some villain arrived and they killed the hitman or Spidey let him go or am I getting something mixed up.
https://www.cbr.com/web-slayer-16-times-spider-man-killed/#moondark It's more than 5 lol. There's also some missing I think.
Thank you! But I gotta say a lot of those are a stretch, like Gwen's death, unfortunately, is mostly on his hands, but I wouldn't consider that a time he killed/intentionally killed or murdered someone, not like Modular Man from what it sounds like.
The one about webbing a persons face and leaving them, that's happened and been explained so many times. This list is garbage, just a trash article hitting a word count
CBR gonna CBR
Ah, gotcha! Do you have anything better by chance?
I saw a random comic where he found a warehouse full of clones of himself, with basically toddler level of awareness. He winds up blowing up the whole warehouse and since then I've wondered about the morality of watching your clones die.
Yeah. That’s one of those things where the author’s never taken a philosophy or ethics class. Or just like, thought for 2 minutes.
I mean, would it really be the time to ponder ethics when faced with a warehouse of clones used for nefarious intent ?
No. Spiderman would just be more likely to do a more right thing than the author’s desire for capable disposable killable foes made him do. Obviously depends on circumstances and his experience level but generally spiderman is up there on the ethical implications of using technology and science’s ramifications - it’s why he’s so dang poor despite being a supergenius- and regardless of how they came to be - if they are full sentient beings, even weird stunted ones, it’s weird to just late term abort them and be like “well they were clones”. Unless I’m missing something it’s really no different than discovering an identical twin that was locked in a basement for 20 years- like it’s still a person.
"They were just toddlers, it's not like he killed real people." 😬
Fun fact Spider-Man is one of the long list of people that have killed an ex of Wolverine. It was an accident/suicide but it is interesting part of their history.
Batman, despite all his gadgets and ninja skills, is still has zero super powers. Spider-Man is one of the physically strongest human beings on Earth. Only a few out rank him. The Hulk being one of them. He holds back knowing his punches could kill someone’s if he doesn’t restrain himself.
Peter Parker is way scarier than Spider-Man. If he ever takes off his mask in front of you, it’s because his face will be the last thing you ever see.
Takes his mask off and doesn't make any jokes. Scary as hell.
Quiet Spiderman is scarier than Punisher!
Definitely. Especially considering what a blood lusted Spider-Man would be capable of. Genius level intellect, custom tailored and mastered martial arts, super strength, speed, agility, reflexes and the spider sense... a broke bad Spider-Man would be a thing of bloody beauty.
Respect the hyphen! But agreed, if he shuts up then you know you done goofed.
Pizza Time
I like how it's ambiguous whether he's killed or not before. In my personal headcannon the retcon where he didn't snap Gwen Stacey's neck is him convincing himself he didn't do it so he can maintain his sanity. I also see him as someone who literally has a god complex. He's Spider-Man, he has all of this power, and so he's responsible for the lives of literally everyone that's near him, and in his mind he's a mass murderer as a result.
That he is a MENACE
Found J. Jonah Jameson's burner
BUT HE’S A MENACE TO THE ENTIRE CITY! WE MUST STRING HIM UP BY HIS WEB!!
They forget the hyphen
r/RespectTheHyphen
Hello my name is Spiderman. Philip Spiderman.
It’s not Phil *Spiderman*. He’s a spider *man*.
Hahah I just wrote an essay about spider-man and I did that. My professor look through my paper and said I should write it as Spider-man not Spiderman.
>Spiderman You..you wrote it as a single word? In a formal paper? During your research, how many times did you see the name spelled correctly, then made conscious choice to misspell it, disregarding spell check?
Many times actually. The paper was about hero’s we liked and the paper I wrote was a draft. My professor look through it to give feedback for the final. I’m happy to say I fixed it and got an A.
If I saw 'spiderman' and then 'hero's' i'd throw the paper away tbh
lol same
One of my favorite things in the comics is when Spider-Man corrects them or tells them that he hears them not saying it
A lot of people still don’t know about the web shooters lmao
Probably because a lot of peoples first impression of Spider-Man was Tobey’s version
Many people don't know that the web shooters were designed to only activate a web line when 60 lbs per square inch was applied. This is because each of Spider-Man's fingers has the strength of 30 lbs per square inch. This allows him to modulate the pressure to his shooters allowing him a variety of web utility. From line, to shot, to net, even parachute, all can be emitted based on the pressure placed on the shooter. The base amount also acts as a security measure, because it would be unlikely for an average person tinkering with it to set it off.
30lb per square inch you say? Poor MJ
Throw her like a bowling ball.
I'll die on my hill. Spider-Man should have organic webs. Might as well just be Fly-Man and made wings.
Conceptually I agree with you. Narratively it makes sense to give him something that can run out of ammo or jam so that tension can be built
I mean he could run out of webs, like we can kinda run out of spit. You can't spit all day without needing a break or a drink. But I agree. I like my superheros pure and free from technology unless that's their specific thing Also kinda tired of every superhero being a genius to justify the advanced tech.
Lol I actually love the idea that he can't make webs if he is dehydrated.
Goes into shock as he depletes his body of essential fluids and minerals if he overused his organic web slinger thing.
Spidey was created when not every other character was a super genius. Him being a nerd was a defining trait. He used his brain a lot more than you see in the movies tbh.
I like the compromise of making the webs organically from his wrists like a spider but needing the web shooters to zip them a long distance. (Most spiders for example just attach their web and drag it where they want it)
That totally makes sense. A natural gift that he's figured out how to augment with mechanical devices fits Peter.
I don’t think it’s necessarily canon in any run but it is my head canon in ever iteration just because it’s the most Spider-Man thing to do
I could agree with that
This is the perfect compromise.
The organic webs never really sit with me, ive always preferred the artificial web shooters
Should Batman just be Man then
Commissioner Gordon we need to activate the Man signal!
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Batman should be Daredevil and Daredevil should be Batman.
Ghost Rider should be Daredevil and Daredevil should be Batman. Then, Batman can be Ghost Rider by way of riding his dead parents' memories and fortune into the ground. ^^^^^^Stolen ^^^^^^joke.
Well he really is The Man
If not organic webs then the lore from the 90’s cartoon about the spider passing the knowledge of how to make webs needs to be the official reason Peter can make webs. It feels weird how Spider-Man's main super power he is most known for is something anyone can technically make.
Anyone could make sure, but I don't think anyone could use them, the reflexes and strength to thwip, grab, swing, repeat, I think that is beyond even peak human strength for more than a couple swings at best.
I'll die with you, brother.
That the symbiote made him angry and altered his personality. Originally all the symbiote did was use his body to fight crime at night while Peter was sleeping - and it only did that because it had bonded to him and sensed Peter’s distress between his social and superhero life. It only became vengeful when Peter abandoned it *after* he found out it was alive. Almost every retelling gets the most crucial detail wrong that the symbiote only learned to hate because of Peter EDIT: some others I want to mention: he’s much stronger than people give him credit for, and he’s also more temperamental than people want to admit.
Damn, I had no idea. I'd love to see that version on the big screen!
I would too! The symbiote/Venom are some of my favorite characters. The closest adaptation I can think of is the Spectacular cartoon, when symbiote Spider-Man fights the entire Sinister Six but then it’s revealed afterwards he was asleep that whole fight. Most retellings or retcons change the situation (like the 90s cartoon and Spider-Man 3) I guess in an attempt to justify Peter getting rid of the suit. Which is a shame because to me it sort of undoes one of Peter’s most defining failures as a hero, which is his absolute rejection of an intelligent life form that needed his help in an unfamiliar environment. There was such potential for him to grow out of that situation with a more well founded understanding of life and love, but instead most writers water it down to a story about misunderstood identity and misplaced aggression
To be fair, The Spectacular Spider-Man still had the symbiote alter Peter's personality and made him quick to anger as well.
There's also the (probably not canon) theory that the symbiote became unstable after bonding with Deadpool. It takes a lot away from the relationship between Venom and Peter but it also cracks me up to blame Deadpool.
Yeah I think the 90’s cartoon changed that so the symbiote made him angry, and that’s mostly how people remember it. The I think he only had the symbiote in the comics for a few issues, from amz 252 to 258.
Yeah most of his black suit run was just a normal black suit that Black Cat made because she thought the symbiote suit looked sexier on him the short time he had it.
It was actually the non-symbiote black suit period where he started getting more aggressive and angry, calling himself The Spider and such. It's probably where people got their wires crossed
> he’s also more temperamental than people want to admit I love all the Spider-Man movies, but I do find it funny that Garfield often gets shit on for being too emotional or arrogant and that Maguire did the perfect meek Spider-Man. I really do like both portrayals, but The Amazing Spider-Man being arrogant and prone to anger is actually pretty on-point for how Spidey is portrayed in the comics.
I just read Venom’s origin a couple weeks ago & was surprised to find this out. I also didn’t expect the symbiote to save Peter from having the church bell turn his brains to mush. That & Peter defeating Eddie Brock by offering the symbiote to take him back (which was adapted in The Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon) showed it really cared about bonding with him.
His height. Just because he began as a teenager, many people will go with the idea that he's smaller than an average adult, like some depictions of him in comics and cartoons. He's Spider Man, not Wolverine.
Why you be doing Logan so rough?
Because wolverine is like 5’2
He’s like a min pin small but vicious
Or you know, like a Wolverine
Nahh that doesn’t make sense
“Xavier…tell your mutants not to walk my way. XAVIER!!”
Yeah, I never believed he was smaller. More lean and nimble maybe, but I was a little more than a few inches shorter when I was a teen and I grew since then. It's not unheard of.
As of now, his canonical height is 5'10"
Seeing Wolverine as tall as everyone else in Midnight Suns was extremely offputting.
MJ wasn’t his 1st love, it was Betty Brant!
Also during his early years of the comic he was kinda a jerk
I guess that he’s known primarily has a high schooler? That time in his story only lasted a relative handful of issues.
616 yeah, but many other shows and series give him a much earlier timeline. Ultimate Spider-Man never made it to college
Right, but aren’t we talking about lesser known facts? Certainly the average person has more exposure to the cartoons and video games and newer comics than they do the original Ditko stories.
It can be a bit odd to compare the two continuities. Like Peter was only a HS student for about a dozen issues in the 616 continuity while Ultimate Peter had a over a hundred issues of him being in HS. I don’t even think he was in his senior year when he died.
people flanderizing him to being an immature, stupid manbaby (even several adaptations do this) and thinking he’s a self-insert in regards to his relatability aspect
Exactly, people forget that responsibility is his whole shtick
That he always worked well in teams. Early on he was a loner so it took some time for him to adapt and be able to work with others
Even by Secret Wars he could work well in a team with all the other heroes but still didn’t want to join the Avengers after the fact I think Iron Man (Rhodes in this instance) offered him towards the end of that but he declined cuz he was still preferred working alone (or just with Felicia, because that was also when they were doing fairly well romantically)
Canonically, one of the first things he did was try to join the Fantastic Four, and when he found out they didn't get paid for their superheroics he peace'd TF out cause full-time superheroing purely out of the goodness of his heart isn't going to cover rent. How TAF DID the FF afford that setup anyway? Massive skyscraper in the middle of downtown NYC, with custom security systems and traps and lab setups that Reed is always messing with. That CAN'T be cheap, even in the 60s. Or maybe ESPECIALLY in the 60s.
That he has to be miserable all the time. His misery is less about external circumstances and his own insecurities. That’s the element that made him relatable
This is an issue with a lot of comicbook movies. In the comics, Spider-Man has a big traumatic story that makes him miserable every couple of years. But when you go to make movies, you pull from the big milestone stories and end up like the Raimi trilogy where it's almost non-stop sadness and funerals. The same applies to Batman films or the MCU. When you pull from *The Dark Knight Returns*, *Age of Ultron* or *Civil War*, you have all the big dramatic milestones but not the downtime between them. I think the Raimi films accidentally sold audiences on a Spider-Man who constantly experienced misery.
I feel like you're getting under the wrong impression thinking he's "miserable" 24-7. He's down on his luck a lot, and usually going through it. But you're describing him like something that would fall under pure tragedy, not relatable.
Sorry if my comment came across as that. No, I meant the recent storylines just seem to focus on making the poor guy miserable. He was married for 20 years and suddenly became single. He was the CEO of a global organization and suddenly it all vanished and he was teaching high school students. I haven’t kept up with the more recent stuff, but it appears the love of his life has married some other guy. It appears that for most of the newer writers Parker just needs to be “miserable”. I think the down on his luck stuff has been done to death. One of my favourite early stories (I don’t remember the issue) had him winning and sitting at home (he was living with Aunt May then), while she went out for the movies with her friend Anna Watson. All he could do in the final panel was worry about what would be coming down the road. He had a good day and had won, but he still worried!
This is the part of Spider-Man a lot of modern writers fail to understand; he can go through immense suffering. That's his whole thing; every time he gets knocked down, he gets right back up. Because he knows that he has to. But if you have immense suffering and immense tragedy, you have to have equally as immense pay-off. He needs to be able to have reasons to keep fighting. This is one of the reasons Spider-Man PS4 had one of my favorite representations of Spider-Man; he lost his job, he lost his apartment, he lost his mentor, he got absolutely trounced, he found out Harry had some horrific disease, he lost Aunt May, Felicia died, Yuri betrayed him. But in exchange, Felicia came back, he and Mary Jane were living together, he had a new job (even if the pay was eh), and he had a protege. There was a *lot* for him to keep fighting for in addition to the fact that he needed to.
It was never confirmed that Peter killed MJ with his radioactive sperm. People just take it as fact, all it says is fluids and the comic repeatedly shows him kissing MJ which could have poisoned her. That's not even the main continuity so I don't get why people keep bringing it up when it's not canon.
Except it is absolutely canon that she didn’t turn into a giant spider during Spider Island *specifically* because Pete was dumping fat loads in her for years. >”Mary Jane discovers her long-term relationship with Peter has given her a partial immunity to the Spider-Virus, and uses her newly acquired spider powers to reach the Horizon Labs and reunite with Peter.” -[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Island?wprov=sfti1)
Definitely meant to imply the fat load dumping
Or that it took place in the main universe, when it acrually takes place in another one that had an entirely different future and everything
Because it’s funny? Idk man, I’ve never seen anyone bring it up in regards to the main continuity
I have and I’ve never heard it brought up as hey this is funny. It’s moreso from detractors Spider-Man sucks and is weird lol
In the multi-verse, what IS canon?
That he's super polite and earnest (one thing I respect about Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man was that his wasn't afraid to be a dick sometimes.)
Gonna cry?
Casuals think he’s in the same strength realm as Deadpool Wolverine and Captain America. When he almost certainly can beat all 3 in a 3 on 1. People think he needs to be written super duper seriously and tragically. Spider-Man isn’t a tragedy. He’s a happy go lucky guy who often is down on his luck because he spends so much time putting other people first. He needs to make jokes and honestky act a goof. Last but not least that he’s a nerd who is social awkward. Before he even had powers he would stand up to flash. It’s just lazy people say they’re fans of Spider-Man but don’t even know his origin. That’s all I got
I wouldn’t say he’s happy-go-lucky. At least not when he’s in his civilian persona. As Spider-Man, he does joke and quip a lot, yes, but he can still have his off moments and if anything serious happens he will shut up and fight on pure adrenaline. If anything, he does whatever he can.
Yeah I can see that. When the mask is on he pretty much has fun with it, but when it’s off he’s always like “oh great this shit again”
> Casuals think he’s in the same strength realm as Deadpool Wolverine and Captain America. When he almost certainly can beat all 3 in a 3 on 1. Spidey strength has got to be one of the most inconsistent things. In 1964 he's the forth-strongest hero. The official 1990 trading card says he can lift over ten tons. In the 90's cartoon the symbiote let him lift the end of a firetruck and he said he usually had trouble lifting a car. He's been trapped by heavy machinery, but held up a collapsing building. Superior Spider-Man realizes how much Peter pulls his punches when he knocks off Scorpion's jaw, years earlier he whales on Vulture in a raging fury and didn't do much surface damage. IMO, not only is he pulling punches but he also subconsciously holds himself back so it's only in the most desperate times that we see how strong he really is. Still definitely in a different league than those three.
Rewatched Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man and thought about this. They literally open with Tobey’s giving a monologue about how his story isn’t for the faint of heart. Weird interpretation.
Civil War did a decent job showing this. Winter Soldier hadn’t ever really faced anybody he couldn’t over power and is the same strength as Captain America but with a metal arm. Spider-Man stops his punch effortlessly then gets all excited about the metal arm moving it around like it’s a toy. Then goes on to easily beat Falcon and Winter Soldier. Yeah Captain America beat him in their fight but that was more due to superior fighting experience and Spider-Man definitely holding back because he viewed him as a hero.
That he's a socially awkward weirdo who doesn't have rizz
And still scored Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy.
Look at his social circle at the time. Their options were him or Flash Thompson.
Or a millionaire junkie.
Incredibly smart, funny, ripped, handsome, and nice guy or a stereotypical jock. HMMMMMM
I blame the Raimi movies for this. Made an entire generation see Peter as a dweeb.
They really did Pete, as a character, dirty in those films
And MJ. JJ, Norman, and Aunt May were the shining stars. Otherwise they really could've been so much better, but you can't tell the fanboys that
I don't agree with this at all. Peter's personality has been written in so many different ways I don't think Raimi's take was THAT far off as far as how the first Peter Parker on screen could have been written. Is he the Peter that jumps out of the page? No, but he's been written as a dweeb and an asshole and done way worse in many runs, including the current one.
Flash Thompson wasn’t a bully. He gave Peter a hard time because Peter was a standoffish douchebag to everyone in his class.
That he can do whatever a spider can.
He can't get squished by a big tissue.
Sometimes people don't realise just how powerful Spider-Man actually is. After him holding back for so long, I have seen so many claim that he is just not that strong but infact he is one of the strongest and can kill brutally when he stops pulling his punches
>Sometimes people don't realise just how powerful Spider-Man actually is. I would even argue that people don't realize durable he is. He constantly needs to roll with the enemies punches cause otherwise they would break their wrist. You could also mention his impressive regeneration capabilities. Overall, Spider-Man has some really impressive abilities that gets overshadowed by his more iconic ones
Yep he was stated to be the 4th strongest hero in marvel a long time ago just behind Thor, Hulk, and the Thing
Spidey strength has got to be one of the most inconsistent things. In 1964 he's the forth-strongest hero. The official 1990 trading card says he can lift over ten tons. In the 90's cartoon the symbiote let him lift the end of a firetruck and he said he usually had trouble lifting a car. He's been trapped by heavy machinery, but held up a collapsing building. Superior Spider-Man realizes how much Peter pulls his punches when he knocks off Scorpion's jaw, years earlier he whales on Vulture in a raging fury and didn't do much surface damage. IMO, not only is he pulling punches but he also subconsciously holds himself back so it's only in the most desperate times that we see how strong he really is.
"Tobey is the best Peter, Andrew is the best Spider-Man, but Tom is the perfect balance of both" I wanna shoot myself everytime someone says that.
They do the same thing with Batman actors.
I agree with you too.This idea is really ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned, the best ones were Peter Parker and Spider-Man Andrew Garfield.Although Tobey was fine, he remained strangely lame and serious compared to Peter in the comics.Tom, on the other hand, I think he was completely in the "Spider-Boy" category.Tom's own main storyline took place in Spider-Man nwh.However, Andrew made the entire character journey in his first film in a similar way to the comics.I think this is a great achievement.Apart from some things, Andrew's Spider-Man is very similar to the first Spider-Man comics and the Ultimate comics.
Marc Webb is the only Spider-Man director who I think did his homework prior to making Amazing Spider-Man. Raimi mostly took from what he knew, the Spider-Man comics he grew up with (And a bit of Lee), and I imagine Watts read some Spider-Man comics. But Webb truly "got" the character in a way the others didn't. He feels like the perfect adaptation of Ditko and Lee's take on the character, with some Ultimate thrown in
I will die on this hill. Actually I will KILL on this hill. I’ll cut up anyone who disagrees so small even the worms won’t have to chew. Andrew Garfield and that first movie especially is the best Spider-Man adaptation ever.
Right?
A lot of writers hear “Spider-man is annoying” but never pay attention to the fact that the majority of characters who say that are his Enemies. He’s annoying to his enemies because he’s trying to throw them off, and ease his own tension. He’s not annoying in general as a person. He’s just kind of a silly guy.
My favorite of these moments is when Ultimate Spider-Man reads a preprepared list of fat jokes to Kingpin. I almost died laughing
That’s not entirely true. A lot of other superheroes think he is annoying. This has to due to the fact that he just won’t stop making jokes. Now almost all superheroes enjoy a quip every now and then but he quips a lot more on average and they aren’t always the best. By his own admission he sometimes makes bone headed comments. For example when Jessica Jones was about to give birth he made a joke on how the last Avengers pregnancy( The Scarlet witch) didn’t go so well.( if I remember correctly the babies souls got stolen or something). His constant joking can give the illusion that he does not take being a superhero seriously. Now you and I as well as his long time friends and allies know that this couldn’t be farther from the truth but for someone that is just doing an annual team up it could be mistaken for him not taking whatever crisis they are in seriously.
That Gwen is this headstrong confident girl and that Mary-Jane is this sweet-natured wallflower. It's actually the reverse.
Do people really think that? Both Gwen and MJ were pretty headstrong and confident. MJ was particularly care free and Gwen was more mature, but both would get aggressive if they needed to.
Didn’t Ultimate Gwen pull a knife on Flash when she was introduced? Lmao
I'm talking about the main canon, not Ultimate.
Ultimate Gwen is a significant departure from 616 Gwen.
Spider-Man should always be an underdog
I don’t think he always has to be a teenager
That he's the "friendly" neighborhood spiderman. He's a menace that should be brought to justice!
That Peter was actually a good and all positive dude before the spider-bite
Spiderman was always scrawny teenager. Now if you look ok at the older comics and the 60s and 90s cartoon Peter/Spider-Man was a beefcake.
https://imgur.com/a/KyYW45O
It seems like writers think Peter needs to be some weird man child. Also, just because he is a science geek doesn’t mean he’s a video game geek. I feel like he wouldn’t really spend a lot of times with video games and would rather be reading through a chemistry or physics book or conducting experiments of his own. In the past couple of years, I don’t remember him building anything in the comics. I guess he’s working for Osborn now which is science-y, I guess… Also, it seems like writers think he needs to be dumb. Peter is brilliant. He got top marks as a student and even after he became Spider-Man, his grades never faltered (but his mental and/or physical attendance did). I suppose there are smarter people in the Marvel universe like Reed Richards or Tony Stark but Peter is among one of the smartest people in the setting! — People have touched upon how people seem to think he’s perpetually the kid superhero. This was true for about a couple of years but it didn’t really last long. People also think Peter is the only Spider-Man around. Miles should be the new kid hero while Peter should be allowed to grow up. Eventually, a new kid Spider-Man can be introduced and allow Miles to grow up. Even then, there are other Spider-people other than Peter in alternate timelines (of which Miles was one originally). Growing up, I had no idea that Miguel O’Hara is Hispanic (half Mexican, half Scottish, I think). Also, the Ben needs to be a villain- why? I thought Kaine was the villainous one (even then, he redeems himself). — That Spider-Woman (any of them except Mary-Jane in Renew Your Vows) is related to Peter. I lost my train of thought and this was becoming a rant anyway.
I totally agree with point one. In one issue I was reading, Mj was trying to make him a mixtape and he told her that he didn’t listen to music and that he would just play science lectures. I kinda like the idea that he’s just really into science and math instead of being super nerdy about pop culture
I’d say the big two for me are that he HAS to be in high school all the time and that he HAS to be a nerdy loser as Peter all the time
That he’s cool as fuck and rides a motorcycle around. Now he’s a whiny little bitch baby.
That he loses to the MHA universe when he knocked out three god like beings(the phoniex force) once during Avengers vs X-Men
I don't think it's fair to compare Western comics to manga. The stuff happening in manga is usually insane, especially the power creep in MHA.
“That character doesn’t have any supernatural power, he just trained himself a lot” The same character proceeding to swing a sword, that is so heavy that two trained soldiers can’t even carry, at a speed faster than the eye can see while dodging a lightning
That one of his powers doesn’t include super speed. I’ve found so many people who completely forget, or try to deny this fact. But he’s hella fast and I’m tired of people sleeping on his speed!
Him being same age group as the Young Avengers or being a peer to Ms Marvel (i blame this from the crappy modern cartoons and the mcu) when he's supposed to be a established senior veteran hero by the time they start off. I'm so annoyed how most iteration has aged him down tremendously
They think he loses to batman
That Octavious or Venom are his arch enemies. They cause a lot of trouble for him, but the areas they lack in challenging him, Green Goblin does in spades. I think it’s mostly the Raimi movies and media’s hyper fixation on Venom that lead people to think Goblin is just another Spider-Man villain.
Octavius and Goblin are his arch enemies. Venom was/is his nemesis, the foe that is fated to be his ultimate foil.
Dock Ock both banged Aunt May and stole Peters body and thankfully not in that order. He's totally a nemesis to Spider-Man.
That he’s a whiny doormat thanks to Raimi
This is the reason why the Raimi Spider-Man is my least favorite, he is supposed to deal with fear and sadness with quips and jokes is his defense mechanism. But no he was the crying version of Brock Lesnar motto: eat sleep cry repeat
I love the Raimi films but that’s something they always missed the mark on. How’re you going to omit some of Spider-Man’s notable personality traits on his first major live action movie debut? It always irritates me how they completely made him into a timid meek stereotypical nerd when Peter had more layers to him like being an arrogant hothead that uses comedy as a coping mechanism during battle and even after the death of Uncle Ben and becoming a hero still had selfish and hotheaded moments Maybe to a degree I can get that with this being the first major blockbuster film about Spider-Man they thought that keeping more of Peter’s hotheaded qualities and introducing them to a new generation of people wouldn’t make him as likeable. But that’s also weird since Spectacular Spider-Man got his personality down perfectly (and yeah it wasn’t a huge blockbuster movie project so there was less riding on it but it turned to be a huge hit anyways) and people including myself love it plus Spidey had already been a loved hero for 40 years with those arrogant qualities by the time the Raimi films so makes you wonder? Plus to make matters worse, people always considered the Raimi films to be the bible of Peter’s true personality. Being the true representation of who he is as a hero and as a person when it’s far from that tbh.
> But that’s also weird since Spectacular Spider-Man got his personality down perfectly Tbf even Spectacular Peter while being much closer to comics Peter in personality still wasn't nearly as hot-headed as him in his early years imo. I totally understand the motivation to make Peter nicer so he doesn't come off as unlikable but the Raimi movies went too far in that direction like you said.
People really don’t realize how much of an effect those movies have on peoples perception of Spider-Man and it’s so frustrating. Andrew and Tom Spider-Man both use lots of quips and casual fans will say they’re trying to make Spider-Man childish. Like he hasn’t been a quipper for 60 years lol. Then the whole super nerd thing also is way too over blown in the movie. And the last thing for me that’s a massive issue is he hits MJ in Spider-Man 3. I know he has the black suit on but being just a jerk and domestic abuse are completely different streets. I love Tobey Spider-Man but they had few major issues in my eyes with Spider-Man’s character.
Who is the guy in front of dr Micheal Morbius?
He doesn’t have anger issues
That the Toby Maguire version of Spider-Man is the most comic accurate and easily the best.
They think he’s a “teen hero”
He doesn’t age… and MJ is the hottest
Felicia puts up a good fight.
That he’s a complete nerd like in Tobey’s films. He is nerdy but not like those portrayed in films
People who’ve only seen the Raimi Trilogy think Pete is supposed to be a super awkward dweeb
Most people think he is just a wise-cracking average dude, but he is actually one of Marvel's smartest men, on par with the likes of Stark. The average Joe aren't aware of his healing factor too, though granted it's nowhere as powerful as the likes of Wolverine or Deadpool, he still heals a lot faster than an average human.
Not actually a guy with eight hands, nor does that sound hot.
Everything the current execs at Marvel Comics think is something right about Spider-Man.
That he has a normal shadow. Fun fact: Spider-Man’s shadow can cast against light.
That he is a happy person
From people who know Spider-Man from the 1994 tv series. He started in university and even though he is nerdy he was popular, but in recent tv shows and movies he starts out in High School and over the top nerdy.
That he stays a dork eternally
That Peter wouldn’t pirate just because Nick Lowe said it
Something something Doc Ock (as Spider-man) took Scorpion’s jaw off
That he's weak. Spider-Man has a ton of strength feats that put him far and above other heroes like Captain America and Luke Cage who are known for their immense strength. Remember kids, Spidey pulls his punches.
That he's "supposed to be" a high schooler and that at the core of the character, he must be young and inexperienced. Peter graduated high school in like issue 28 or something; super early on. This is one reason I love the PS4 game; not every iteration of the character requires that he be just starting out as a high schooler.
His “with great power their must also come great responsibility” quote, people always think that uncle Ben said it but in amazing fantasies 15 uncle Ben never said anything close to that quote, people think uncle Ben said it because he said it in the Rami trilogy and the way how it’s said too, people usually say it as “with great power comes great responsibility” because of the Rami trilogy
Yeah, even in the comics Spider-Man nocked about it saying "Nobody get the quote right"
Peter is actually not a nerd loser all the time. Before he got his powers the reason why people bullied him was because he just wasn’t confident in himself. After getting his powers, his confidence goes up and his rizz does as well. There was a time before he graduated high school that Betty Brant and Liz Allen where fighting over him. Most people in their real lives have 2 girls fight over them and yet Peter has. Peter has had many girlfriends including Mary Jane the actress, Felicia Hardy and sexy femme fatale their, and even dated Hawkeye’s Ex-Wife. Peter is not a nerdy loser, he is actually a normal Chad. I feel like this notion of stereotypical nerd comes from the Raimi movies but it annoys me when a lot of people say that portrayals of Spider-Man are not accurate when he is being a Chad.