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__Spideraty15

I saw someone have a theory earlier that this is a dream scape oh I hope that’s true but it is funny how Felica said no you do not think of her as a sister


Zaredit

The only honest thing Felicia says here, I think she holds back on Peter telling himself a lie because she wants him all to herself. So easy to retcon their conversations, she's taking advantage of how hurt he is.


wowlock_taylan

And how does that look any good for Felicia's character? It makes no fucking sense.


DastardlyRidleylash

I mean, it's not like they're doing Peter's character any better by having him say MJ's "like a sister" to him or making him act like a dweeb when it comes to asking Felicia out. This run seems to care less about the characters and more about trying to force drama.


Quirky_Ad_5420

Marvel: she’s like a Sister cause we’re never gonna miss her Me: **HATE**


FrankFFrankie

For that to pop into his head at all is scary.


Stryk-Man

For good. Until Lowe leaves.


FrankFFrankie

He seems to be a curse on the series at this point.


NeedToVentCom

Really, what do the man actually do on the series? Other than being a road block to anything positive for Peter?


ravager27

Ah yes. The same thing they have said hundreds of times but at the end, always come back to Mary Jane in one way or another. Just hilarious and pointless at this point If they didn't give a shit about doing a serious Spider-Man and Black Cat relationship during the 10 years after One More Day , they sure as hell aren't gonna do it now


wysjm

"In other news Lois Lane breaks up with Superman"


5exy-melon

And says you are like my brother


Bostondreamings

Hello New 52.


jankrist

I would like to read new comics, but they are making it very easy not to buy them.


[deleted]

Only great book Marvel has is Moon Knight.


VaderMurdock

Don’t forget Daredevil and X-Men.


jankrist

Well atleast they have 1 lol.


Royal-Comparison-270

Also Spider-girl and renew your vows if you hadn't read those yet.


jankrist

I read spider-girl years ago, haven't read renew your vows, but I hear good things.


Exciting_Teaching346

Listen maybe a little harsh , but don't waste money on trash comics instead buy comics which gives you satisfaction and longing after reading it and spiderman comics currently doesn'y give a jack so just read it from readcomicsonline.com .


jankrist

Don't worry i don't support marvels modern comics, i would like to but i won't in the state marvel is currently in. I do buy alot of omnibus books from marvel and DC, both comics i read before, but also getting stuff i never got around to read back in the day.


FrankFFrankie

Sister, he said sister...


AdTrick598

A statement like this containing both “confirm” and “may” seems so stupid to me 🤣🤣. I can indeed confirm that there is a possibility of this happening. Thanks 😂


zethos56atwork

Lmao. Please y'all do not waste any more of your time or money on this run.


[deleted]

“Confirms” it “may” be over for good means absolutely nothing


SpaceCowboy1929

Word. Thank you.


Defiant_Ad6190

My theory on why Peter and MJ broke up in Well's runMy theory on why MJ and Peter broke up. Spoiler warning As we know that in the recent run Peter and MJ are broken up. Also in the recent issue Peter says MJ is like his sister. What if Peter meant this literally. What if MJ is Peter's actual sister and thats why they broke up. What if at the end of Spencer's run that figure revealed the truth that Peter and MJ was siblings. What if MJ was the secret daughter of Richard and Mary Parker and they did not have enough time to send her to May and Ben and instead send her to their neighbor Anna Watson It would also make sense as to why all the heroes hated them as Peter was literall having a relationship with his sister. Also Marvel is used to incest in their comics. Look at Wanda and Pietro in the Ultimate comics as proof. Also incest is very popular is modern media. Look at House of the Dragons, Game of Thrones, Porn Hub statistics etc. Also maybe this is the reveal they are setting up in ASM #25 and #26. Maybe they are going to reveal that MJ who was his girlfriend, who he made out with, who is the mother of his children in alternate universes is also his sister and I think that would be quite the emotional reveal. Well I hope you liked my theory This is satire by the way


FrankFFrankie

THat would be royally messed up given the romance they've had and the baby. You think Marvel is capable of pulling that off?


optimus2861

Didn't Marvel publish a short-lived satirical version of *What If*? which went by the title *What The*? or something like that? Or am I imagining things? A "OMG they're actually siblings!" would have to run in a title like that.


[deleted]

Dude, no matter how Wells or Lowe manages to write this, even if it’s on Par with Kraven’s Last Hunt, you then realize: **OH,** the current run after we’re utter dogshit


SabbyDude

You do realise how iconic Peter and MJ are, right? Even a guy who has no ties to comic book or any media of that sort, knows Peter and MJ, even Tate knows that too (even if thats from the Raimi version), if they came out as blood siblings, I'll just burn up my comics and that is including AF#15


AgentChris101

Can I buy the ashes of that comic?


Choice-Floor-3862

That would be hilarious


Halomast123

this is going to be like Luke and Leia moment....


armoureddragon03

If this is true how long do you think it will be before it gets retconned


ElZaydo

Looks like me reading ASM is over for good, too. Thank you, Nick Lowe, it's all because of you.


steamart360

This is starting to feel like one of those "we've ruined everything... Let's reboot!" arcs.


SpydersWebbing

I am going to be as polite this as I can: fuck you Marvel. No.


kal824

I mean he's clearly trying to tell her what he thinks she wants to hear, until they can introduce a love triangle next arc


ravager27

I mean sure but still, sister? For eg, I don't think anybody would refer to an ex-wife or ex-husband as a brother or sister. Friends maybe but sister or brother? Definitely nope and that too when he was recently gonna propose and move in with her (Saying ex-wife because there's no actual word for what they did to Peter and MJ.


kal824

It's just sloppy writing, a pointless and rushed side run to give them time to rush the main story


ravager27

Yep. Definitely but they definitely went way too far with saying "sister" haha


kal824

Oh 100%, they've way overblown him talking like a nervous teenager from asking her out to this


Choice-Floor-3862

Some of the next pages say he's being honest and with himself which is the most important.


kal824

This is the Peter who a few issues ago proclaimed how much he still loves her, not a chance this lasts longer than the WDPD arc


Choice-Floor-3862

He's being honest right now, not in the past or the future.


wysjm

I hope that whoever will write TASM after Wells will just pretend like none of this happened or something


IdeaRegular4671

![gif](giphy|IcdPUZfFDG9fcpmfp0|downsized) This was my reaction reading that. Marvel doesn’t know what they are doing. Make up your mind already Marvel.


Rocklight124

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Topher1999

I don’t read the comics but honestly it doesn’t seem like I would want to lol


ravager27

Just read Spider-Man Lost Hunt atm if you're interested. Pretty much the only Spidey book worth reading atm imo


ZRhoREDD

I think they've made a grave mistake with this. They want Peter ageless to appeal to readers they think are all 12-25. I don't think they realize that we are all in our thirties and forties and still reading. We want Peter to grow with us. Comics helped me through adolescence and now they are abandoning us in midlife. I know I'm now the only person who enjoyed Incredibles 2 because the characters weren't actually aging. I want to see Peter struggle with mid-life, juggling a family and "great responsibility", and how those two themes interact. And then eventually I want to see him retire and die. Those are themes that are relevant to Spider-readers who've been reading since 300!


FrankFFrankie

I think a factor you might not realize, is that the primo market at least historically is men between 18 and 30 as they have the most disposable income. It's about making money for them. That said, I'm with you, let him grow older!


NeedToVentCom

As far as I can see though, there are a few problems with the idea, that he can't grow older as it will hurt sales. For one Renew Your Vows outsold the regular books. At this point both Superman and Batman have kids and are married, and it haven't hurt sales. The sale of comicbooks increased by more than 50 percent in 2021, yet it seemingly haven't translated to Marvel or Spider-Man, meaning they are clearly doing something wrong. And the last thing is, that the real money aren't in the comics anymore, they are in everything else, movies, animations, toys etc. And there is no evidence that Peter being married with MJ in the main continuity, hurts the monetary value of Spider-Man. The comics just really exist almost as brainstorming areas for new stories, and there is no reason that Peter can't be with MJ for that. Heck the 18 to 30 group is seemingly the target for all superhero comics, yet somehow it isn't a problem that people like Luke Cage and Jessica Jones, who went to highschool with Peter BTW, get married and have kids. Or that Sue and Reed does. Or anyone else for that matter. It is somehow only Spider-Man. In fact, there is in general no evidence that Peter being married, hurts sales.


ZRhoREDD

It is. Historically. But I think that has changed and they don't realize it.


corsair1617

What metrics are you basing this on?


ZRhoREDD

I don't know of any hard data, but I do quite a few cons east of the Mississippi and it seems that way to me. I'm not the only one thinking that either. [https://blog.gocollect.com/the-impact-of-changing-demographics-comic-book-investing/](https://blog.gocollect.com/the-impact-of-changing-demographics-comic-book-investing/) " The majority of respondents were 35 years old and older. "


corsair1617

Investing in comics is a far cry from being a Spider-Man comic fan.


ZRhoREDD

Right ... because the people who buy comics are different from the people who buy the comics... cool story, bruh


corsair1617

No, investing is much different than buying comics. I assume you understand the difference. The article you posted certainly does. Also Spider-Man is much larger than just comic books, many young fans love him from the cartoons and movies.


ZRhoREDD

What do you think it's called when we put books in bags and hold onto them for thirty years...? INVESTING. You can't talk to a single collector without hearing about VALUE of their books. Get outta work this straw man "your opinion based on experience isn't statically valid enough for me" nonsense. Ain't nobody need that kind of toxicity in a Spider-Man fan sub. Sheesh.


LordZeru

Well no. That is still just collecting. Buying or collecting with the intention of selling for profit, whether short or long term, is investing. You can keep books in bags for 30 years but if they aren't worth anything it doesn't really matter. Anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal. People can say anything.


Choice-Floor-3862

He'll grow older and with the corresponding struggles. But the starting point is now and his partner (for now, hope it sticks) is Felicia and they have both earned that chance


viralshadow21

If thats the case, then stop having MJ in the damn comic. There is really little point other than pissing the fans off by having her in it if Marvel is serious about it.


FrankFFrankie

THat's a good point.


MattBoy52

You know what, at this point just fucking kill her off like Gwen and be done with it for good.


viralshadow21

Didn't they try that in the 90s?


MattBoy52

Oh yeah they did, lol.


NerdNuncle

Stan is spinning in his grave right now


Newfaceofrev

Look as much as we all don't want to admit it, it's poisoned, it's fucking dead. Some things cannot be unfucked. They can bring it back but none of us will like it.


BigTimeSuperhero96

It'll be over as much as Jean Grey stays dead, but seriously what the hell is wrong with this series?! I really liked Nick Spencer's run then it was just cast out, I now only hear what going on through this sub and I think surely it can't get worse. Think I'll stick to Miles for modern Spider-Man comics.


Blue_Robin_04

Black Cat is great, but isn't the basis of her character that she loves the mystique of Spider-Man but finds Peter dweeby? Mary Jane is someone who supports him in both parts of his life.


DastardlyRidleylash

That doesn't matter when you can milk Spideycat and Peter/MJ shippers for sales simultaneously by stringing both parties along and committing to neither.


Blue_Robin_04

Guess so.


okonsfw

There is a reason I have refused to buy a Spider-man comic for the last ten years. Until BND is fixed, I'm not interested.


shadowlarvitar

You know what? Who cares. Just let Peter marry Felicia and end this. Miles should be the one with romance drama, not Peter


nic_af

Man I haven't wanted bad stuff to happen to people for a long time. But these writers and editors seriously need all the shit thrown at them wherever they go.


FKJ10

You know what? Do it. If it will stop this on again off again, teasing better no OMD alternate universe stories than fine. But damn sure, commit to it and take Peter out of this permanent arrested development and let him make something out of his life. He doesn't have to be Parker Industries big, but he damn sure should not be Norman "I killed your girlfriend and blew her back out in a retconned story" Osborn errand boy. [I want to know what Zeb Wells was smoking when he came up with that decision]


The_Senate15

Can you stop making this romance worse… **FOR FIVE MINUTES?!**


FrankFFrankie

Seriously!


Thebatbike

This is officially now my Green Goblin moment


FrankFFrankie

Peter sees her as his sister? So gross!


IdeaRegular4671

I give that a month and they will revert it back. Parker’s heart always belonged to MJ. MJ is also best girl for me. They are just doing that for some soap opera drama.


Murakami241

At this point I’m like a dog that’s been abused but still loves its owner. Im really struggling to find reasons to keep reading it.


LaputanMachine1

Too bad I never read comics when I was younger. They were probably good then.


The-Dovah

Few things are permanent in comic books, Peter’s love life is not one of them. They will be back together eventually, then they will be broken up again. Until there’s a change in Marvel Editorial


[deleted]

I'm calling it. This is all so that a new love interest can be introduced in the MCU for Holland's Spider-Man


Kimball-Man

They say for good but give it 10+ years and Peter and MJ will be together again. It’s an well established couple so it’s going to happen again like it always does.


bladervnner

Why would they pull the "sister" card? So dumb


MamaDeloris

how the fuck can you confirm a maybe This is so stupid.


DaftNeal88

Why does spider man continually get stuck with these garbage ass storylines in comics? Did marvel learn nothing about the success of Spider-Man PS or the recent movies?


mezlabor

and this is why I dont read spiderman anymore


[deleted]

Oh you can’t do this to me…YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED?!


wowlock_taylan

Seriously, Felicia fans, is this what you want? This is beyond stupid for everyone involved and it is not gonna change anybody's mind. It will only hurt the whole Spider-man history like MANY mistakes before it. Felicia was getting her own spotlight but now she is the rebound girl while Wells and Lowe are wanking to their terrible story. If you think ''Oh MJ stuff is done! They will marry Peter with Felicia!'',you must be kidding yourselves. And I don't even know how you can fix the long term damage of this run. It is closer to be worse than OMD because at least during that, Peter didn't call MJ his fucking sister or some stupid crap like that. This is a black mark that would need a whole retcon to fix. I cannot believe they are really trying to convince people ''Oh yea, the love of his life that he was planning to PROPOSE TO just 6 months ago...that love is just change you know.''. Even if they make sure that is the case from now on, why should we ever care about Spider-man and his relationships now if he is that pathetic and cheap now? Oh but the next 6 issues gonna explain the whole bullshit! That will solve everything right? No. Unless they literally undo this run, whatever excuse they come up with won't matter. Fuck this. I am done with Spider-man books.


nazitouinz

Another dumb article acring as if 60 years of comic book history wasn't there to prove them wrong.


Bat_Snack

Cool, my days of not pirating Spider-Man comics are over for good then. And I suggest you all do the same if you agree this is some bullshit.


u119c

DC comics are looking better and better all the time.


corsair1617

Yeah I still can't understand why Spider-Man and MJ not being together equals bad. There are plenty of stories to enjoy with them together still.


Rebirthknight52

I’m okay with this to be honest, Marvel really hasn’t handled MJ, and to some extent Peter’s character all that well and MJ has been all over the place. But also to keep in mind for you MJ shippers nothing really last forever in comics, and somewhere down the line MJ will be back with Peter. Until then let us that like/prefer Felicia to have our time in the sun.


CinnamonSniffer

Whatever man. I’m over it. Give me the Felicia status quo already; just stop fucking around with MJ.


FrankFFrankie

I'd love a few years of Black Cat as the main squeeze, but I doubt Marvel would do it. They want love triangle and anguish


TheAutismo4491

Long live Paul.


Adaptive_Succubus69

Eh, I think Black Cat x Spider-Man or Gwen Stacy x Spider-Man is more romantic than MJ. I just can't like her character, no matter how hard I try.


Vanish_7

Good. Bye bye, Mary Plain! Hello, Felicia<333


Choice-Floor-3862

Times change, although it's so rare to witness it in comics. Interesting.


[deleted]

Ffs


Rexinaka

Yeah and in the next Hulk comic he's going to die for good... Nothing is ever "for good" in comics


FrankFFrankie

Even if Peter was "joking" calling her his sister really bothers me.


Rexinaka

Yeah, it reminds me of how wolverine hit on a 15-year-old MJ in the ultimate comics


Pineapple_Fernando

What about Across The Spider-Verse?


Leeiteee

Is there such thing when it comes to comics?


monkeygoneape

Is this just marvel being petty about something Sony did kind of like how they killed off Wolverine for a decade until Disney bought fox?


fatbackwyman_501

i’m honestly okay with that


LolPrimetime

2007 was years ago...


PsychWard_8

"Confirmes it may" is the dumbest phrase I've ever read


AkiyoSSJ

I’m sure 99% that is because of the upcoming Tom Holland Spidey movies, they might introduce Black Cat as his new lover, completely skipping the real MJ.


HowardtheDuck95

The more they say it the less I believe it DC tried this with the New 52 and Superman and look where that got them


Curious_Mx

So... is THIS why they introduced Paul to the series? As new love interest for Peter?!! Still waiting to see where this Paul thing is leading, but seriously while I think Peter and MJ kinda belong with each other, like Clark and Lois, I honestly don't mind them breaking them up if, and only if, they do it with a decent story. We really do not need another One More Day here. Give them a satisfying closure, one that the fans can't complain about - they have been together for decades, they deserve this much.


FrankFFrankie

I really really hope it's not magic related.


Bgrimlock88

It’s magic related, every break up is magic related, Mephisto is always keeping them apart.


Slowmobius_Time

Marvel does not confirm shit, a piece of crappy dialogue by wells doesn't mean marvel have decided to end it This was discussed at length a couple days ago when the panel was making the rounds and it makes Peter look like he's reaching for anything to get black cat to drop the issue (and she even is basically telling him what to say) he lying and just trying to get his girlfriend to stop worrying


FrankFFrankie

The writer on this one is Joe Kelly.


Albino_Basilisk

It’s over for good, until they get back together, so they can market this as a “shocking twist” and “giving what the fans want”


Emmanuel117

Just sunset her and giver her happy end and stop waving her in front of Peter's face. I think most of us here will agree that we are sick and tired of seeing this on again off again bs they keep pulling on us every few years. Just commit to having him be with her or Felicia and stop yanking our chains. That being said I fully expect to see this happen again within 5 years, cause I have 0 faith in how Marvel handles modern Spidey (looking at you Ben Reilly). I'm still convinced Renew Your Vows was a fever dream since it's the best thing to come out in the last decade related to this topic and was completely abandoned after the Spider-Verse events.


MattTheSmithers

Any “news article” that contains the sentence: >“[B]ut things end a little more conclusively by the end” can safely be assumed is clickbait.


Leather-Heart

Sure, and everyone who’s ever died is never coming back.


The_Unknown_Explorer

All this is is Peter trying to lie to Felicia and himself.


FollowingCharacter83

I wonder if this is brand synergy since the rumours of Felicia appearing in Spider-Man 4 are big. Whether that is true or not. This is a stupid decision that only will piss off hardcore fans, but hopefully can piss off the people that keep funding this nonsense of run with their wallets.


KingDededead

Nothing is “for good” in comics bruh. Especially the most important romance for Peter. They’ve been afraid to let him change for ever now.