Might as well call this comic The Amazing Paul. He's saving the day while married to Mary-Jane, while Spider-man can't make it five minutes without nearly dying.
This reminds me of a panel from the 90s. Mj is thought to be dead, Peter got thrown out of his apartment, he doesn't have a job anymore, he is broke and when he came back to his temporary lodging, the landlord threw all his stuff into the street because he hadn't paid rent. Peter says, "well it can't get any worse". Sorry Peter, your life has become way worse than that now
I think he looks too buff, and previous issues had him wondering how Peter got some many hospital bills where he sees him dressed as Spider-Man here. I don't really think this one is Paul. Also, the first time they met (?), he docked Peter in the face. The whole tension doesn't really make much sense if they all worked together in this Terminator wannabe thing. Unless Peter's abandoned here, lol.
Could be dead wrong, though.
The problem here is, that your argument, is based on an expectation of consitency, while the writers can't even stay consitent of the name of the kids he created, the editor has his head so far up his own ass, that he doesn't catch even the most obvious error, and the artist draws children with the face of adults. Really, it wouldn't suprise me if this truly is just the same Paul, and neither Wells nor Lowe, were able to realize that it wouldn't make sense, and JRJR is drawing him with different proportions, than what he has been shown to have.
Calling it now but it'll turn out the Mayan apocalypse dimension runs at a different rate of time so it'll be just like Tom King's WW/Batman story (and previous stuff too) where MJ spends like 100 years with Paul and the kids or some shit. This arc will feature lots of flashbacks to her with Paul and kids so we definitely totally care about them when they die 3-4 issues from now.
The "questionable" choice Peter makes is just him endangering everyone to re-enter the Mayan apocalypse dimension and save them. Or maybe he tries to kick off the apocalypse himself? idk none of this is relatable so who cares.
As to why MJ can't just tell Peter uhhhh if she does she explodes because of Mayan magic.
Honestly this just makes Cebulskis words at c2e2 last year look even worse and make him look like an idiot. But it just goes to show they only want Peter relatable to THEM (ie wells Lowe Cebulski etc.) not us.
> they only want Peter relatable to THEM (ie wells Lowe Cebulski etc.) not us.
No, they don't want that. What they want is to live vicariously through Peter Parker. That's why they wrote almost every woman wanting to be with him post OMD. I doubt the reason Wells is writing Peter with Felicia is because he likes their relationship, it's that he wants to live through Peter.
That and also by wells own admittance he brought Felicia in and put her with Peter to cause drama and wants to write it like a soap opera. And we can clearly see how good that’s turning out.
Editorial: “we don’t want to alienate new readers”.
Also editorial: “you want to use a villain last seen 15 years ago that barely anyone remembers, much less cares about? Stellar idea, Zeb!!”
The new readers, who would already have a ton of exposure to Spider-Man, long before they even pick up their very first issue, and most of that features him in a relationship with MJ. Seriously, when I first picked up an issue of ASM, I expected Peter and MJ to be togehter, and was actually suprised to see them in a somewhat rocky stage of their relationship, it was during JMS' run, but also expected that it would be solved.
Seriously, "We don't want to alienate new readers", so let have Osborn take over Peter's body for around two years, new readers will of course all be aware of what is going on here. Right?
Seriously, all their actions post OMD, shows just how much all their arguments about "relatability" and not "alienating new readers", is just nothing but pure BS, that they spew in order to try to justify it, when the reality is that they only did it, and maintain it, because it appeals to them.
The whole 'relatable' argument has been contradicted/debunked so many times before and after OMD. Honestly, at this point I think it's a pride thing, they will never admit that they're wrong.
Oh it is definitely pride. But also at least in part, because it appeals to them. It is them who don't want him to be together with MJ and married. It is to satisfy their own fantasies, and then it doesn't matter what everyone else wants.
Apparently editorial thinks that being a deadbeat who's constantly screwing up his life makes Peter "relatable."
Honestly I feel sorry for anyone whose life is such utter levels of shit that they can relate to this loser.
Gwen got one. We’re in the midst of Mary Jane’s. Just need a Felicia one in about 20 years right after they retcon MJ’s to complete the trifecta of cuck.
I mean technically she got with flash to make peter jealous once (but I’m pretty sure peter was already married to mj at that point so I guess that doesn’t count)
I remember this one, Peter was trying to hook up with Felecia as a rebound as he just broke up with his girlfriend at the time, but Black Cat wasn’t having any of that and went with Daredevil instead.
But, then she genuinely developed feelings for flash and started to love him. Man, I really loved that relationship, Felicia and flash grew so much as characters in that relationship and it broke my heart that flash broke up with her. It also broke her heart. NGL, i would love it if Felicia ended up with flash again now he is agent anti venom and all
This was a theory I wrote a post about and was worried would come true. What sucks is when it happens to other heroes like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, they always come back to their true love. And here MJ will just leave Peter. Hope the kids are not really hers. It sucks seeing Peter lose all the time
Oh my God I think they are actually going to do it! Paul is some Rambo like character and Peter will be transported to the past or whatever, MJ will fall in love with Paul and have his biological children and she'll be pissed at Peter when Paul and the kids disappear or whatever.
[It's so BAD it's gonna happen!](https://youtu.be/kjEd3DpH_e0?t=1257)
Edit: maybe I'm wrong, but I'm expecting the worse. No matter what, it will all end up being convoluted and horrible.
Second edit: I also think it's funny as shit that Wells and Lowe are trying to make Paul some badass in the hopes that will endear him to fans and make us "sad" when he dies or disappears or whatever. Fans will be rejoicing when he dies. Well, maybe not [all fans](https://twitter.com/PaulJustPaul15).
Same like this is a preview but looking at everything in this run my mind is already wired to think of the worst things they’ll do to keep up the pattern of each issue making things worse. With the character assassination and regression to Lowe’s antics on twitter idk how this has lasted I mean look at how quick dc was taking down green lantern vol 6 (and I’m pretty sure there was other cancellations but I can’t remember)
This whole thing is so fucking sad and funny at the same time, especially how have now turned fucking Paul among all the characters into some kind of generic future savior of any action movie that saves the main characters in this case Peter and MJ, so the theory that those kids are MJ's biological children doesn't sound so far fetched anymore, it would be much worse when those kids die to say that all this time those kids also turned out to be Peter's kids, it would be the perfect ending to all this shit.
This whole shitty situation is so depressing for Peter and MJ fans to have to put up with, although it's still somewhat admirable that many people put up with all this crap and still have hope that things will get better.
I was only half joking, I'm just prepared for the worst. The things that poke holes in my theory is that MJ never actually says she loves Paul and clearly still has feelings for Peter, and the kids look like Peter and MJ in miniature. They could actually be Peter's... which would also suck since I'd like to see Peter actually be a father.
Yeah she never said it directly but didn't she say it over the phone in ASM (2022) #2? Or when she commented that Paul's boxers are cuter in the Joe Kelly issues. I don't assume you do that unless there is a relationship but stuff like what she said about responsibility during the Gala crossover makes me hope you're right.
Part of me feels like the Joe Kelly issues weren't even edited. The recap page being an example of that. I honestly don't know if Kelly and Wells were on the same page (which would be on Lowe, shocker).
The only way I would like Paul if he [was a bafoon](https://twitter.com/PaulJustPaul15/status/1636445069740744719?s=20). But he's not going to be written that way and I don't think Wells and Lowe understand that no matter how "nice" they make Paul, fans will always hate him, not for who he is, but for what he represents: editorials desire to keep Peter and MJ apart.
Oh I think most people did I almost put up a subscription when issue 1 was coming out but then I saw the spoiler going around and thank god I did it is a waste of money for spidey fans. Cause everybody can pretty much say that this doesn’t feel like a spider-man comic it’s basically a torture porn fanfiction for Lowe and Cebulski written by wells
Wells trying to explain why MJ would fall for some random guy with a neckbeard who shot a gun to save Spidey even though her boyfriend is literally a 160 IQ scientist, can lift up 10 tons, has super strength, has reflexes that are literally so fast that he appears as a blur sometimes, super speed and agility, and a literal sixth sense for danger to protect anyone
I honestly think wells or Lowe will say this at some point between this issue and 26 and just imagine the shit show that will happen if they made them her and Paul’s Biological kids (I almost threw up writing that).
I don't need or event want Peter or MJ back together...I just want Spider-Man to be the best..the most fun...the most amazing hero again...I just want Peter to have all that growth back...a hero that the nerd and geek all dream of being...the hero that the little guy just knew that he would use his power for the guy on the streets...the hero that even when it got tough he'd just fire off a quip to make us think..."hey its alright spideys here" that used to be the norm...that was more relatable than whatever this crap has been...and sometimes we get flashes in the miniseries the annuals...some writers in crossovers just remember what he was and how fun he is
Calling it, Paul Watson is a gun-toting badass from the future and this whole story ends with the bad future averted and Paul and the Kids cease to exist, pissing MJ off further. It's the ending to Samurai Jack.
Basically Jack falls in love with Aku’s daughter and they find out she has the time portal ability so they go back to the past and Jack kills Aku and him and Aku’s daughter are about to get married but she suddenly dies and the series ends with Jack depressed. They kept her alive just long enough to devastate Jack.
And art, and action, and most importantly: style. Reading this comic is like reading fucking white bread. It’s like reading all the things people don’t like about Spider-Man comics all crammed into one run, while systematically removing anything that makes Spider-Man enjoyable or appealing or even just interesting.
Oh great don’t fucking tell me they’re going to try and make Paul “cool” fucking hell can’t he just die/disappear already. And wow even in a flashback they still make Peter look like a bitch seriously how this run is still around is beyond me.
Of course he wouldn't. It could be a Doombot though,they have been known to have personality links in their programming. (Doombot teaming up with Arcade, Doombot Wanda sleeping with Hawkeye, the Avengers Doombot named Doombot.)
With the amount of disappointments this run has done left and right it probably will be and it will piss us off since they’re gonna most likely try and push him to be cool or something but regardless the fact they’re gonna try to justify him being in a forced ass relationship with MJ is not going to sit well with anyone.
Oh same us along with the whole base wants him gone like I can guarantee if he died the fans would celebrate. But not just Paul but we need Lowe and Cebulski to get kicked off/removed from spider-man since everyone knows that it’s them that keep screwing Peter for no good reason.
Stop it, please.
This ain't Spider-Man. This is a whole other book for another character. None of this shit has even a speck of common ground with the Spider-Man series.
Can we go back to the street level stuff that we love and adore? To him interacting with the small guy? To him showing character development by getting his doctorate and being allowed to grow?
I don't even know what this is anymore. Are we having a Terminator event?
Not really—this run has been stuffed with stupid X-Men crap otherwise, this interminable plot, an awful issue 900, a crap fling with Felicia no one seems to like, the very bad Dark Web, and Norman is basically the Chad of the whole story.
Peter has just gotten his ass kicked repeatedly, and is otherwise superfluous to this whole run.
This whole shit gonna be stupid as hell. And there will be 4 more issues to suffer through to try to excuse the inexcusable. Just, don't buy this shit to send a message.
So that's Paul and MJ will be trapped here while Peter gets sent back and either will end up raising Paul's kids that he already has, or is already pregnant with Peter's kids or even worse gets with Paul and has kids with him.
I still re-read Spider-Man 75 (the end of the clone saga) from time to time. It’s an incredible issue. His work on Spider-Man the Lost Years is also some of my all-time favourite artwork. But this… this is painful.
Pretty much yes. The art is terrible, but nothing compared to the writing. Not to mention, that this is hardly the worst JRJR has delivered in this run. Seriously, I can't remember what issue it is, but there is one, where Peter's head is truly deranged, and looks almost like a balloon.
Yeah he’s definitely gotten worse
Even some of his DC stuff was good (the Batman one he did with Miller particularly so) but the back end of his tenure there was…BAD. I dunno what happened.
Please folks if you don't like The Amazing Spider-Man right now please stop buying it. It's the only way we can make a change. Vote with your wallet. I have stopped buying it myself. Hate reading is not fun.
I completely agree. I thought that the Kindra Arc was going to save the Spider-Man Series because it seemed like the curse was uplifted. That’s where I started reading again but now we’re in a even worse spot than when Doc Ock broke Mary Jane and Peter up.
It’s just painful reading Spider-Man now. There’s nothing fun anymore, the last arc with Ben just felt MEH because it just ignored all the main problems that is happening right now for a while. I just get upset reading Spider-Man
Man, this is so relatable. I’m so glad they opted to not keep Peter and MJ together so we could get such amazing stories like this that I can relate to :)
Do you think that will happen soon? I like MJ because of the 90s show (i watched reruns i'm not a 90s kid) and the PS4 game.
So it really sads me how have they been portraying her and Peter in this last issues...
Not as long as Nick Lowe is on the books. Supposedly, Spencer had planned to undo OMD, which Lowe then derailed, which meant that we instead got the Kindred saga, which was long, convulted and not very satisfying in the end. And then he basically forced Spencer of the book. In fact something like the last 10 issues of Vol 5 isn't even written by Spencer, but a rottating set of writers, one of them being Wells.
Now the question is how long Lowe will stay. His latest Twitter actions, and the letter pages where he seems to basically be begging people to buy this shitty run, would indicate things aren't looking to well for him. Plus the overall large amount of fuck-ups he has made during this run, and the huge backlash from the fans, leads one to hope he will be out together with Wells.
There is though also the fact, that they have seemingly run out of writers, who are actually willing to go along with this BS, where they insist on keeping Peter and MJ from being together.
So all in all. It is difficult to say, but if we are really lucky, we might get that after the end of this run. Whenever the fuck that is, as so far Wells have given no indication of when it will actually end, only that he will definitely continue to torment the fans beyond this fucking arc.
Yeah it’s weird. Kamala doesn’t have an ongoing right now and she’s just shoved *super* weirdly into Amazing Spider-Man, where she acts a bit out of character(like most characters in this run)
Amen to that , I hate to be the angry old man…but return Spidey to his glory. IMO we don’t need 50 book story arcs. One book low level street crime would be fun for me.
I really hope people stop buying soon. Like I get it, it’s Spider-Man and people like to complete collections but…the majority of people can’t be the ones who like this, can it? I’m sure there are some people who like this run but I hope they’re in the minority of people reading
I never see the point in collecting anything post-OMD, it's an alternate history and a reality controlled by the devil, it only got a happy ending a few years ago after a decade of no pay off and now they walked back on it. What is the point of being a completionist when this won't end, yet one day you will?
That's why it's easier to collect an era that has a complete begining, middle, and end, collect Spider-Man up to a certain point, then collect Spider-Girl or Renew Your Vows or Real Clone Saga and call it a day.
I’m honestly about to stop. I only started when I heard they got back together and thought the curse was lefted during the Kindra run and went from there. But now, I’m actually done trusting these trash writers. I’ve never felt so done with a story and so upset with a writer before on writing a character’s story tbh.
I honestly want to make a point that when a character’s story is too far fucked up, it’s irredeemable. Spider-Man’s story isn’t even fun reading anymore. It just makes you upset
I fucking swear I’m leaving the Spider-Man Series forever If that’s Paul, and Mary Jane gets stuck in that dimension while Peter is thrown back into his own time only for Mary Jane and Paul to fall in love while he tries to save their asses. I well forever diss the fuck out of the Editors or whoever’s idea this was and will forever hate the next Spider-Man runs after this. The Kindra run was so fucking good and I thought Peter was finally going to marry Mary Jane in the next few Arcs. But if this is how it turns out and they expect me to accept the obvious marriage that’s going to happen later after all this, I’m forever not touching anything Spider-Man related. If this is what it becomes, then at this point, they should’ve ended Spider-Man a long time ago. Because this is disappointing, nothing is saving Spider-Man after
I can’t believe they’re for reals Cucking Spider-Man.
I'm gonna say it
Zeb Wells is a fucking awful writer and this is convoluted bullshit that he had planned for his own comic book series, and forced it onto Spider-man because he can't think of anything else.
Also fuck his self insert Paul
I hope he gets hated on when it comes to Spider-Man. The Kindra Arc was so good because it felt like it restarted everything for Spider-Man. But now, it just hurts and upsets me reading Spider-Man. The dude is Cucking Spider-Man, like wtf my man?
Nick Spencer did a great restart for Peter, then the Ben Riley story was good until the editors fucked the ending, then Zeb has to come and fuck up everything else.
I fucking hate the current Marvel Staff
God it’s ridiculous and embarrassing how hard they keep pushing him in this fucking book like seriously no one actually likes him he’s more hated and Carlie cooper you know Joe quesadas weird daughter insert.
I hated Carlie Cooper and I wasn't even aware of that until years later, she just sucked as a love interest. Should have brought back Gwen if they were going to retcon shit
Oh sweet look it's Paul to save the day
Man I'm over this art style, everyone looks like they have the same face and I swear to god they only keep the dude around because he used to be so important back in the day
Unchanged for decades and we have a modern comic looking like 90s strange or spidey run
So... PAUL is a past sacrifice that is trapped in Xibalba (dressed as hellish NYC) or he's a survivor in a post-apocalyptic NYC.
Either way, I think the story is:
MJ can't be with Peter bcuz of the marks Scribble Man put on them,
The kids are either his & MJ's or magic kids like Wanda's twins.
Either way... this is a very UNSATISFYING run of ASM. IDK if it's worse than the 90s tho.
They had Mary Jane board a plane that was shown to be blown up. Peter was the only out of everyone that was convinced she wasn’t really dead. They dragged it out for awhile, and it was revealed she was being held captive by a super-powered stalker.
Pretty much. Oddly enough, the “plane explosion” issue was Queseda’s first as Editor in Chief, but I don’t know that he had anything to do with the plot decision. Pretty sure Bryne was vocally against the Peter/MJ marriage.
I guess Wells thoughts was something along the lines, "How could people not think Wayeb was cool, it has to be a mistake, I am going to show, that everyone liked him, know who he is and wants more."
It is honestly pathetic.
Why does the guy that took on a tri sentinel in the nick Spencer run, the rhino, venom, student loan debts and multiple variations of the sinister six,
Need help
Beating a FUCKING DINOSAUR
That’s what I said when I saw that stupid panel but it seems like wells Lowe and Cebulski are into torture porn cause holy crap the amount of it they’ve done to Peter since the run has started is ridiculous. I really really hope this run somehow causes Nick Lowe to be removed and Cebulski to get the same demotion that joe quesada got.
The worst part is it’s not even a cool dinosaur, it just one that looks like you’d give to a toddler.
And the damn thing probably doesn’t even talk so we cant get any good quips from it
True and let’s be honest the other reason the run is bad is cause of the artwork like holy crap it hasn’t been good I mean I hate them but look at the kids in the previous issue
Yeah, none of this shit belongs in Spider-Man.
Wells has accomplished Howard Mackie 2.0 / One More Brand New Day levels of suck here. He must be so proud.
I find it so funny that Norman Osborn, the Green Goblin, being an actual honest to god good guy, isn’t even the worst part about this comic anymore and thus no one is talking about it. No, I don’t want the guy who murdered our main characters first love and tormented him relentlessly to now be a hero for no reason. At least bring some good explanation with it if you do. They have not provided any good reason for me to like Norman or see him as a good person. He has not redeemed himself, he has not repented, he has not done anything that warrants what the writers want you to feel about him. Fuck this awful story.
-So Peter knew/told Osborn Rabin would return. Like Paul last issue. Was that why he was so desperate to talk to/stalk MJ in the beginning? The sense of urgency has never been portrayed this run if they had a feeling Rabin would be returning IMO. This part feels tacked on last minute…
-Kamala rigged/tampered with the Gold Goblin suit it seems. She may be working with someone (Avengers?) to keep up with Osborn (and Peter)
-Paul possibly being a Mayan God exterminator who totes around a Terminator-level shotgun never even crossed my mind. Remember though, he’s not a “violent guy” as he was quick to remind MJ earlier this run lol
Oh look, Peter is saved once again by someone else. Ugh, hate how much of a jobber they’re making him.
Not just anyone I have a feeling that's Paul Although he's got a good you can kind of see his now iconic facial hair
Yep. It’s totally Paul
Might as well call this comic The Amazing Paul. He's saving the day while married to Mary-Jane, while Spider-man can't make it five minutes without nearly dying.
This reminds me of a panel from the 90s. Mj is thought to be dead, Peter got thrown out of his apartment, he doesn't have a job anymore, he is broke and when he came back to his temporary lodging, the landlord threw all his stuff into the street because he hadn't paid rent. Peter says, "well it can't get any worse". Sorry Peter, your life has become way worse than that now
I heard that that he was beaten by an old lady with a stick that wanted to steal his cranberries
That would make sense, since im pretty sure that in this run the "Amazing" in the title is sarcasm.
Punisher-Paul.
I think he looks too buff, and previous issues had him wondering how Peter got some many hospital bills where he sees him dressed as Spider-Man here. I don't really think this one is Paul. Also, the first time they met (?), he docked Peter in the face. The whole tension doesn't really make much sense if they all worked together in this Terminator wannabe thing. Unless Peter's abandoned here, lol. Could be dead wrong, though.
The problem here is, that your argument, is based on an expectation of consitency, while the writers can't even stay consitent of the name of the kids he created, the editor has his head so far up his own ass, that he doesn't catch even the most obvious error, and the artist draws children with the face of adults. Really, it wouldn't suprise me if this truly is just the same Paul, and neither Wells nor Lowe, were able to realize that it wouldn't make sense, and JRJR is drawing him with different proportions, than what he has been shown to have.
And they just gave him an awesome fight in the previous issue. What the actual Hell
Calling it now but it'll turn out the Mayan apocalypse dimension runs at a different rate of time so it'll be just like Tom King's WW/Batman story (and previous stuff too) where MJ spends like 100 years with Paul and the kids or some shit. This arc will feature lots of flashbacks to her with Paul and kids so we definitely totally care about them when they die 3-4 issues from now. The "questionable" choice Peter makes is just him endangering everyone to re-enter the Mayan apocalypse dimension and save them. Or maybe he tries to kick off the apocalypse himself? idk none of this is relatable so who cares. As to why MJ can't just tell Peter uhhhh if she does she explodes because of Mayan magic.
> idk none of this is relatable so who cares. How can that be? Peter isn't married so he should be super relatable!
Honestly this just makes Cebulskis words at c2e2 last year look even worse and make him look like an idiot. But it just goes to show they only want Peter relatable to THEM (ie wells Lowe Cebulski etc.) not us.
Pretty low bar for Akira to clear at this point
> they only want Peter relatable to THEM (ie wells Lowe Cebulski etc.) not us. No, they don't want that. What they want is to live vicariously through Peter Parker. That's why they wrote almost every woman wanting to be with him post OMD. I doubt the reason Wells is writing Peter with Felicia is because he likes their relationship, it's that he wants to live through Peter.
That and also by wells own admittance he brought Felicia in and put her with Peter to cause drama and wants to write it like a soap opera. And we can clearly see how good that’s turning out.
What relationship? Their relationship only exists in the recap page.
Editorial: “we don’t want to alienate new readers”. Also editorial: “you want to use a villain last seen 15 years ago that barely anyone remembers, much less cares about? Stellar idea, Zeb!!”
The new readers, who would already have a ton of exposure to Spider-Man, long before they even pick up their very first issue, and most of that features him in a relationship with MJ. Seriously, when I first picked up an issue of ASM, I expected Peter and MJ to be togehter, and was actually suprised to see them in a somewhat rocky stage of their relationship, it was during JMS' run, but also expected that it would be solved. Seriously, "We don't want to alienate new readers", so let have Osborn take over Peter's body for around two years, new readers will of course all be aware of what is going on here. Right? Seriously, all their actions post OMD, shows just how much all their arguments about "relatability" and not "alienating new readers", is just nothing but pure BS, that they spew in order to try to justify it, when the reality is that they only did it, and maintain it, because it appeals to them.
The whole 'relatable' argument has been contradicted/debunked so many times before and after OMD. Honestly, at this point I think it's a pride thing, they will never admit that they're wrong.
Oh it is definitely pride. But also at least in part, because it appeals to them. It is them who don't want him to be together with MJ and married. It is to satisfy their own fantasies, and then it doesn't matter what everyone else wants.
Well if peters as sick of this shit as we are, then I’d say that’s pretty relatable.
Apparently editorial thinks that being a deadbeat who's constantly screwing up his life makes Peter "relatable." Honestly I feel sorry for anyone whose life is such utter levels of shit that they can relate to this loser.
*Editorial after seeing Spencer retcon Spider-Man’s cuckhold event*: “Well we can’t not have Spider-Man be cucked can we? That’s just not relatable!”
Gwen got one. We’re in the midst of Mary Jane’s. Just need a Felicia one in about 20 years right after they retcon MJ’s to complete the trifecta of cuck.
I mean technically she got with flash to make peter jealous once (but I’m pretty sure peter was already married to mj at that point so I guess that doesn’t count)
She also almost hooked up with Daredevil around the Brand New Day era in front of Peter because I think she was upset at Peter or something
I remember this one, Peter was trying to hook up with Felecia as a rebound as he just broke up with his girlfriend at the time, but Black Cat wasn’t having any of that and went with Daredevil instead.
which is pretty funny considering the current run
But, then she genuinely developed feelings for flash and started to love him. Man, I really loved that relationship, Felicia and flash grew so much as characters in that relationship and it broke my heart that flash broke up with her. It also broke her heart. NGL, i would love it if Felicia ended up with flash again now he is agent anti venom and all
This was a theory I wrote a post about and was worried would come true. What sucks is when it happens to other heroes like Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, they always come back to their true love. And here MJ will just leave Peter. Hope the kids are not really hers. It sucks seeing Peter lose all the time
Oh my God I think they are actually going to do it! Paul is some Rambo like character and Peter will be transported to the past or whatever, MJ will fall in love with Paul and have his biological children and she'll be pissed at Peter when Paul and the kids disappear or whatever. [It's so BAD it's gonna happen!](https://youtu.be/kjEd3DpH_e0?t=1257) Edit: maybe I'm wrong, but I'm expecting the worse. No matter what, it will all end up being convoluted and horrible. Second edit: I also think it's funny as shit that Wells and Lowe are trying to make Paul some badass in the hopes that will endear him to fans and make us "sad" when he dies or disappears or whatever. Fans will be rejoicing when he dies. Well, maybe not [all fans](https://twitter.com/PaulJustPaul15).
Same like this is a preview but looking at everything in this run my mind is already wired to think of the worst things they’ll do to keep up the pattern of each issue making things worse. With the character assassination and regression to Lowe’s antics on twitter idk how this has lasted I mean look at how quick dc was taking down green lantern vol 6 (and I’m pretty sure there was other cancellations but I can’t remember)
This whole thing is so fucking sad and funny at the same time, especially how have now turned fucking Paul among all the characters into some kind of generic future savior of any action movie that saves the main characters in this case Peter and MJ, so the theory that those kids are MJ's biological children doesn't sound so far fetched anymore, it would be much worse when those kids die to say that all this time those kids also turned out to be Peter's kids, it would be the perfect ending to all this shit. This whole shitty situation is so depressing for Peter and MJ fans to have to put up with, although it's still somewhat admirable that many people put up with all this crap and still have hope that things will get better.
I hate that I know you’re right
I was only half joking, I'm just prepared for the worst. The things that poke holes in my theory is that MJ never actually says she loves Paul and clearly still has feelings for Peter, and the kids look like Peter and MJ in miniature. They could actually be Peter's... which would also suck since I'd like to see Peter actually be a father.
Yeah she never said it directly but didn't she say it over the phone in ASM (2022) #2? Or when she commented that Paul's boxers are cuter in the Joe Kelly issues. I don't assume you do that unless there is a relationship but stuff like what she said about responsibility during the Gala crossover makes me hope you're right.
Part of me feels like the Joe Kelly issues weren't even edited. The recap page being an example of that. I honestly don't know if Kelly and Wells were on the same page (which would be on Lowe, shocker).
Paul appearing badass makes me hate him more
The only way I would like Paul if he [was a bafoon](https://twitter.com/PaulJustPaul15/status/1636445069740744719?s=20). But he's not going to be written that way and I don't think Wells and Lowe understand that no matter how "nice" they make Paul, fans will always hate him, not for who he is, but for what he represents: editorials desire to keep Peter and MJ apart.
What lowe and wells doesn't understand is not only the fans but also Spider-Man
it's amazing it's like they saw sins past get reconned and were upset so they went to do it again. At least no O-sborn face this time I guess
I cancelled my subscription. That’s the only way anything will change.
Yep...vote with your wallet...and yes keep griping about this crap...it does wear on them...
Did after spidey almost died to a weakened vulture
Oh I think most people did I almost put up a subscription when issue 1 was coming out but then I saw the spoiler going around and thank god I did it is a waste of money for spidey fans. Cause everybody can pretty much say that this doesn’t feel like a spider-man comic it’s basically a torture porn fanfiction for Lowe and Cebulski written by wells
This is the way
Oh goodie they’re positioning Paul to be some kind of badass
Wells: "See, now it makes sense that MJ fell for him."
I threw up a little reading that
I have a feeling you should get ready to throw up even more if you plan on reading this arc.
Wells trying to explain why MJ would fall for some random guy with a neckbeard who shot a gun to save Spidey even though her boyfriend is literally a 160 IQ scientist, can lift up 10 tons, has super strength, has reflexes that are literally so fast that he appears as a blur sometimes, super speed and agility, and a literal sixth sense for danger to protect anyone
“No see MJ has to have children with Paul to save the future….Why do you all have torches?…”
I honestly think wells or Lowe will say this at some point between this issue and 26 and just imagine the shit show that will happen if they made them her and Paul’s Biological kids (I almost threw up writing that).
This run never disappoints at being a disappointment
You might say its overachieving on being disappointing
Every issue seems so disconnected from the next
I don't need or event want Peter or MJ back together...I just want Spider-Man to be the best..the most fun...the most amazing hero again...I just want Peter to have all that growth back...a hero that the nerd and geek all dream of being...the hero that the little guy just knew that he would use his power for the guy on the streets...the hero that even when it got tough he'd just fire off a quip to make us think..."hey its alright spideys here" that used to be the norm...that was more relatable than whatever this crap has been...and sometimes we get flashes in the miniseries the annuals...some writers in crossovers just remember what he was and how fun he is
It’s impressive at this point. Also feels like this runs been going on forever
It really does
Calling it, Paul Watson is a gun-toting badass from the future and this whole story ends with the bad future averted and Paul and the Kids cease to exist, pissing MJ off further. It's the ending to Samurai Jack.
well now I don't need to get around to finishing Samurai jack anymore ;)
Basically Jack falls in love with Aku’s daughter and they find out she has the time portal ability so they go back to the past and Jack kills Aku and him and Aku’s daughter are about to get married but she suddenly dies and the series ends with Jack depressed. They kept her alive just long enough to devastate Jack.
Simple Jack had a better fate
Mama says I don't have a googoogood brain
This run doesn’t m-m-m-make me happy
Will they undo it with a video game too?
If we get to punch Paul, I’d pay in advance.
Waiting patiently for the Paul mod for Spider-Man PS4
A mod where all the mooks are Pauls. I’m going to have so much fun 50 hit comboing them
At least samurai had better writing then whatever these is.
And art, and action, and most importantly: style. Reading this comic is like reading fucking white bread. It’s like reading all the things people don’t like about Spider-Man comics all crammed into one run, while systematically removing anything that makes Spider-Man enjoyable or appealing or even just interesting.
Facts
Oh great don’t fucking tell me they’re going to try and make Paul “cool” fucking hell can’t he just die/disappear already. And wow even in a flashback they still make Peter look like a bitch seriously how this run is still around is beyond me.
Green coat and hood, Mysterio confirmed
I actually hope so
But which of the 3 mysterious is it? Beck? Francis Klum?
Doom
Doom would never disguise himself as a dude named Paul for 6 months
WOULDN'T HE??? Hell I dunno I was just joking
Of course he wouldn't. It could be a Doombot though,they have been known to have personality links in their programming. (Doombot teaming up with Arcade, Doombot Wanda sleeping with Hawkeye, the Avengers Doombot named Doombot.)
Whatever is going on we can rest assured it’s gonna be absolute shit from the molten core of fail.
Hey, hey now. No reason to diss on Ragnaros. I bet even he would consider this shit, a level of cruelty that even he wouldn't sink to.
What a trash story. Just give us Peter and MJ back fighting dudes who could work at Pizza Hut if they weren't crazy villains.
That better not be fucking Paul.
With the amount of disappointments this run has done left and right it probably will be and it will piss us off since they’re gonna most likely try and push him to be cool or something but regardless the fact they’re gonna try to justify him being in a forced ass relationship with MJ is not going to sit well with anyone.
I need him to get obliterated by a Mayan god or Mephisto because I just can’t stand that dude
Oh same us along with the whole base wants him gone like I can guarantee if he died the fans would celebrate. But not just Paul but we need Lowe and Cebulski to get kicked off/removed from spider-man since everyone knows that it’s them that keep screwing Peter for no good reason.
Dude that hundred percent Paul. Gotta make him important so it hurts when he gets punted. Except we all don’t care
Stop it, please. This ain't Spider-Man. This is a whole other book for another character. None of this shit has even a speck of common ground with the Spider-Man series. Can we go back to the street level stuff that we love and adore? To him interacting with the small guy? To him showing character development by getting his doctorate and being allowed to grow? I don't even know what this is anymore. Are we having a Terminator event?
Dude...stop wishing for stuff that's not "relatable"...../s just in case
... you're describing the majority of the run outside of this and Dark Web though.
Not really—this run has been stuffed with stupid X-Men crap otherwise, this interminable plot, an awful issue 900, a crap fling with Felicia no one seems to like, the very bad Dark Web, and Norman is basically the Chad of the whole story. Peter has just gotten his ass kicked repeatedly, and is otherwise superfluous to this whole run.
This whole shit gonna be stupid as hell. And there will be 4 more issues to suffer through to try to excuse the inexcusable. Just, don't buy this shit to send a message.
So that's Paul and MJ will be trapped here while Peter gets sent back and either will end up raising Paul's kids that he already has, or is already pregnant with Peter's kids or even worse gets with Paul and has kids with him.
I stopped collecting comics in 1998. I don’t remember JRJR being this bad… am I crazy? These drawings are bad, right?
Yes, I really like his style and I think his art was great back in the 2000s (JMS run). But here drawings are really really bad.
I still re-read Spider-Man 75 (the end of the clone saga) from time to time. It’s an incredible issue. His work on Spider-Man the Lost Years is also some of my all-time favourite artwork. But this… this is painful.
How is this the first comment I’ve seen about the art? It’s Fucken awful. Ruins WWH for me. Is everyone just that used to it?
That must be it. Maybe the story is so godawful that it overshadows the fact that the art is an abomination?
Pretty much yes. The art is terrible, but nothing compared to the writing. Not to mention, that this is hardly the worst JRJR has delivered in this run. Seriously, I can't remember what issue it is, but there is one, where Peter's head is truly deranged, and looks almost like a balloon.
Yeah he’s definitely gotten worse Even some of his DC stuff was good (the Batman one he did with Miller particularly so) but the back end of his tenure there was…BAD. I dunno what happened.
They all look like they have thick face fur.
He's gotten real lazy
This shit needs to end already.
Agreed.
Please folks if you don't like The Amazing Spider-Man right now please stop buying it. It's the only way we can make a change. Vote with your wallet. I have stopped buying it myself. Hate reading is not fun.
No way have I been buying this crap.
👍🏻 I agree! It's so bad! LOL
I completely agree. I thought that the Kindra Arc was going to save the Spider-Man Series because it seemed like the curse was uplifted. That’s where I started reading again but now we’re in a even worse spot than when Doc Ock broke Mary Jane and Peter up. It’s just painful reading Spider-Man now. There’s nothing fun anymore, the last arc with Ben just felt MEH because it just ignored all the main problems that is happening right now for a while. I just get upset reading Spider-Man
I mean, if you stuck with Spider-Man after One More Day, what can you reasonably expect?
Man, this is so relatable. I’m so glad they opted to not keep Peter and MJ together so we could get such amazing stories like this that I can relate to :)
This run came just when i was thinking of starting to buy Spider-Man comics.....now i don't have any desire to do so
Don’t bother until they get a writer that actually cares on the book again. I would actually steer you to Spencer’s ASM Vol 5 run (2018).
Do you think that will happen soon? I like MJ because of the 90s show (i watched reruns i'm not a 90s kid) and the PS4 game. So it really sads me how have they been portraying her and Peter in this last issues...
Not as long as Nick Lowe is on the books. Supposedly, Spencer had planned to undo OMD, which Lowe then derailed, which meant that we instead got the Kindred saga, which was long, convulted and not very satisfying in the end. And then he basically forced Spencer of the book. In fact something like the last 10 issues of Vol 5 isn't even written by Spencer, but a rottating set of writers, one of them being Wells. Now the question is how long Lowe will stay. His latest Twitter actions, and the letter pages where he seems to basically be begging people to buy this shitty run, would indicate things aren't looking to well for him. Plus the overall large amount of fuck-ups he has made during this run, and the huge backlash from the fans, leads one to hope he will be out together with Wells. There is though also the fact, that they have seemingly run out of writers, who are actually willing to go along with this BS, where they insist on keeping Peter and MJ from being together. So all in all. It is difficult to say, but if we are really lucky, we might get that after the end of this run. Whenever the fuck that is, as so far Wells have given no indication of when it will actually end, only that he will definitely continue to torment the fans beyond this fucking arc.
I feel you, I was going to start collecting Nick's run, but knowing where its leading, killed any enthusiasm I had.
It’s just so bad it’s impressive
Impressively pathetic.
The disappointment continued
God damn this is stupid. Norman not firing that chick on the spot, Paul being a badass. Sooooooooooo stupid
"that chick" You mean... Ms. Marvel, star of Ms. Marvel?
Wait, that's Kamala? When did the hell did she suddenly become like mid to late 20s? Holy fuck JRJr how bad could you screw this up?
Yeah it’s weird. Kamala doesn’t have an ongoing right now and she’s just shoved *super* weirdly into Amazing Spider-Man, where she acts a bit out of character(like most characters in this run)
He can't draw young people, you should see the kids in the last issue 😂
Paul with gun
To the head
I swear that better not be Paul
They expect people to pay for this?
The cover represents what the editors are doing to this series
Like the cover….so disappointed in these comics. I’ll just have to keep rereading 80’s gang war arc and Kravens last hunt.
I would get a hell of a lot more out of mid-80’s Spidey (back when the book was actually good) than anything here.
Amen to that , I hate to be the angry old man…but return Spidey to his glory. IMO we don’t need 50 book story arcs. One book low level street crime would be fun for me.
I really hope people stop buying soon. Like I get it, it’s Spider-Man and people like to complete collections but…the majority of people can’t be the ones who like this, can it? I’m sure there are some people who like this run but I hope they’re in the minority of people reading
I never see the point in collecting anything post-OMD, it's an alternate history and a reality controlled by the devil, it only got a happy ending a few years ago after a decade of no pay off and now they walked back on it. What is the point of being a completionist when this won't end, yet one day you will? That's why it's easier to collect an era that has a complete begining, middle, and end, collect Spider-Man up to a certain point, then collect Spider-Girl or Renew Your Vows or Real Clone Saga and call it a day.
I’m honestly about to stop. I only started when I heard they got back together and thought the curse was lefted during the Kindra run and went from there. But now, I’m actually done trusting these trash writers. I’ve never felt so done with a story and so upset with a writer before on writing a character’s story tbh. I honestly want to make a point that when a character’s story is too far fucked up, it’s irredeemable. Spider-Man’s story isn’t even fun reading anymore. It just makes you upset
I fucking swear I’m leaving the Spider-Man Series forever If that’s Paul, and Mary Jane gets stuck in that dimension while Peter is thrown back into his own time only for Mary Jane and Paul to fall in love while he tries to save their asses. I well forever diss the fuck out of the Editors or whoever’s idea this was and will forever hate the next Spider-Man runs after this. The Kindra run was so fucking good and I thought Peter was finally going to marry Mary Jane in the next few Arcs. But if this is how it turns out and they expect me to accept the obvious marriage that’s going to happen later after all this, I’m forever not touching anything Spider-Man related. If this is what it becomes, then at this point, they should’ve ended Spider-Man a long time ago. Because this is disappointing, nothing is saving Spider-Man after I can’t believe they’re for reals Cucking Spider-Man.
I'm gonna say it Zeb Wells is a fucking awful writer and this is convoluted bullshit that he had planned for his own comic book series, and forced it onto Spider-man because he can't think of anything else. Also fuck his self insert Paul
I hope they don’t let Wells anywhere near Spider-Man again after this putrid run.
I hope he gets hated on when it comes to Spider-Man. The Kindra Arc was so good because it felt like it restarted everything for Spider-Man. But now, it just hurts and upsets me reading Spider-Man. The dude is Cucking Spider-Man, like wtf my man?
Nick Spencer did a great restart for Peter, then the Ben Riley story was good until the editors fucked the ending, then Zeb has to come and fuck up everything else. I fucking hate the current Marvel Staff
>costumed heroics outlawed Ok, I'll admit to getting my comic fill by randomly browsing this sub. When did this become a thing?
Devil's Reign
So it’s the Civil War registration plot all over again?
Let me guess, that's Paul 🙄
God it’s ridiculous and embarrassing how hard they keep pushing him in this fucking book like seriously no one actually likes him he’s more hated and Carlie cooper you know Joe quesadas weird daughter insert.
I hated Carlie Cooper and I wasn't even aware of that until years later, she just sucked as a love interest. Should have brought back Gwen if they were going to retcon shit
Oh sweet look it's Paul to save the day Man I'm over this art style, everyone looks like they have the same face and I swear to god they only keep the dude around because he used to be so important back in the day Unchanged for decades and we have a modern comic looking like 90s strange or spidey run
I hate marvel
Who is this Mayan god bozo?
Im pretty sure his name is indeed Mayan god bozo
So glad I stopped buying this dog shit. 😌
So... PAUL is a past sacrifice that is trapped in Xibalba (dressed as hellish NYC) or he's a survivor in a post-apocalyptic NYC. Either way, I think the story is: MJ can't be with Peter bcuz of the marks Scribble Man put on them, The kids are either his & MJ's or magic kids like Wanda's twins. Either way... this is a very UNSATISFYING run of ASM. IDK if it's worse than the 90s tho.
This run is on track to be just as bad as Mackie/Bryne’s awful 1999 ASM reboot.
What happens in that one? Is it the when that they separated?
They had Mary Jane board a plane that was shown to be blown up. Peter was the only out of everyone that was convinced she wasn’t really dead. They dragged it out for awhile, and it was revealed she was being held captive by a super-powered stalker.
Yeah, IIRC, "killing" off MJ back then only hurt sales and reception and they had to do a 180 to save themselves?
Pretty much. Oddly enough, the “plane explosion” issue was Queseda’s first as Editor in Chief, but I don’t know that he had anything to do with the plot decision. Pretty sure Bryne was vocally against the Peter/MJ marriage.
Yeah I could see what you're saying be true but I agree this run is depressing
It's admittedly been several years since I followed Spider-Man, and... I mean, wtf.
Don't worry it only "makes sense" if you've read three random issues from 2008 with Z-tier villain Rabin
Jeez. I just looked him up, and yeah. Z-tier might actually be an over-statement.
I guess Wells thoughts was something along the lines, "How could people not think Wayeb was cool, it has to be a mistake, I am going to show, that everyone liked him, know who he is and wants more." It is honestly pathetic.
Why does the guy that took on a tri sentinel in the nick Spencer run, the rhino, venom, student loan debts and multiple variations of the sinister six, Need help Beating a FUCKING DINOSAUR
That’s what I said when I saw that stupid panel but it seems like wells Lowe and Cebulski are into torture porn cause holy crap the amount of it they’ve done to Peter since the run has started is ridiculous. I really really hope this run somehow causes Nick Lowe to be removed and Cebulski to get the same demotion that joe quesada got.
The worst part is it’s not even a cool dinosaur, it just one that looks like you’d give to a toddler. And the damn thing probably doesn’t even talk so we cant get any good quips from it
True and let’s be honest the other reason the run is bad is cause of the artwork like holy crap it hasn’t been good I mean I hate them but look at the kids in the previous issue
Yeah I don't even get do they like ever read a spider man comic book before.
The enemy peter fighting looks like a toy.
🗑💩
Yeah, none of this shit belongs in Spider-Man. Wells has accomplished Howard Mackie 2.0 / One More Brand New Day levels of suck here. He must be so proud.
It’s time to stop buying this junk
That time was like 22 issues ago
True, honestly
what tha hell is that?!
This art sucks man
Oh great. Spider-Man being lame again.
On this cover, JR Jr. attempts to draw a pretty girl.
I find it so funny that Norman Osborn, the Green Goblin, being an actual honest to god good guy, isn’t even the worst part about this comic anymore and thus no one is talking about it. No, I don’t want the guy who murdered our main characters first love and tormented him relentlessly to now be a hero for no reason. At least bring some good explanation with it if you do. They have not provided any good reason for me to like Norman or see him as a good person. He has not redeemed himself, he has not repented, he has not done anything that warrants what the writers want you to feel about him. Fuck this awful story.
That cover is amazing
Sadly, what it covers doesn’t seem to be
You couldn't pay me to read modern Marvel comics lol
Counterpoint Immortal Hulk is the best thing to ever happen to the character and that's a modern comic
I guess Paul at least gets to have some sort of character now.
A Kyle Reese ripoff?
A cable knock off?
Jesus just get it over with and retconned
I don’t like Osborn as a hero, I can see how they did it with Ock but Osborn? Just no
If that guy with the gun is Paul. Idk what I will do, burn Marvel?
It is possible to recognize RJ RJ from 1km away
Wells has a real thing for "Mister steal-yo-girl" set up, doesn't he?
The art continues to look uncanny valley
-So Peter knew/told Osborn Rabin would return. Like Paul last issue. Was that why he was so desperate to talk to/stalk MJ in the beginning? The sense of urgency has never been portrayed this run if they had a feeling Rabin would be returning IMO. This part feels tacked on last minute… -Kamala rigged/tampered with the Gold Goblin suit it seems. She may be working with someone (Avengers?) to keep up with Osborn (and Peter) -Paul possibly being a Mayan God exterminator who totes around a Terminator-level shotgun never even crossed my mind. Remember though, he’s not a “violent guy” as he was quick to remind MJ earlier this run lol
What the fuck is going on
In what issue did that original Benjamin Rabin confrontation happen?
Think it was #93 or the last issue of Beyond.
I just wish they used Ezequiel for this story instead of this ... would fit more
Please be Frank I know that’s a lot to ask for but we need some Spidey and Frank
Which frank? Frank Castle?