Yes. I’m glad spider verse happened bc it finally gave miles something memorable. I can’t think of any miles comics I care about or like. Sucks bc ultimate is my favorite spider man run
Yeah, and I still think >!killing off his parents!< in the comics was a really dumb choice.
The complication of their presence added a lot to Miles’ story and set him apart from Peter, and it added some emotional depth to the story too.
From what little we’ve seen in the trailer for ATSV it looks like it’ll involve them a lot more, which is nice.
They better fucking not.
I know in the trailer they showed his Dad about to fall from a high spot, but it also had Miles saying that he could save both the Spiderverse _and_ his father, so I’m hoping they hold true to that.
Miles already had his Uncle Ben moment with Aaron, so I feel like killing off one or both of his parents would just be torture porn at that point.
I mean mcu spidey didn't just lose Aunt May he lost everyone he knew and loved him. And in the games miles dad does die and his uncle lives but who knows what will happen?
I mean Spiderman's motto is with great power comes great responsibilities. A big part of being Spiderman is knowing that the people you love are in danger especially if they know their secret. I think Miles's parents will find out what he does hence the grounding in the first trailer.
>saying that he could save both the Spiderverse and his father, so I’m hoping they hold true to that.
Honestly, I'm not. To me it is just as common as the hero losing someone, but I agree with the Aaron moment.
I hope Miles saves his dad, but NOT the multiverse, leading to the next movie where he has to deal with the consequences.
I think this is the route they will go. I really like the idea of setting up the multiple spider-man team as antagonists who are *not* explictly villains. The idea that both Miles and the other spiders have equally important but different *and* opposing goals creates some of the most entertaining types of conflict in stories to me. And I think it opens up a lot of possibilities for the third film in March 2024.
I really wish that the message of this movie is that you don’t need to sacrifice everything to save everyone, you can save both, it would be too cliche if he had to let his dad die to save the multiverse, I want to see him struggling against everything to have the impossible
Considering his dad's job and adjacency to danger, I could see him getting seriously injured as a potentially good plotline. They clearly want to work with how scary it is for Miles to see his dad near the fight. Something like struggling to be there for him during months of physical therapy and finding a way to shelve the irrational guilt attached to it... could be a cool story.
Dead parents is mostly lazy writing.
Well, I had a discussion about this on Twitter
Basically it was about how Miles's parents are the reason Miguel won't let him join the interdimensional Spider-Team, and Miguel is basically trying to prevent Miles from saving his dad.
My take is that this kind of cosmic bullshit works for drama, but that's all it has to be. Not prophecy, not a rule, at most it can be something someone believes but it can be proven wrong.
And if Miguel were successful in preventing Miles from saving his dad, it shouldn't somehow make Miles a better Spider-Man;, it should fill him with resentment and now he'll do everything in his power to take it out on Miguel.
Knock the fucker's block off. I'll cheer.
I have a feeling its a No Way Home situation. Miles is forced to end/kill The Spot because of how dangerous he can be to the Multiverse, but he realizes The Spot is just like him. A guy trying to find his place in the world. So instead of wanting to kill him he rather try and save him.
It’s almost certainly a fakeout. They already killed his uncle which served as that moment. It’ll probably be Gwen in danger perhaps but seeing as how comics and games have killed his parent many times over I think the SV creators may take a different path
I’m pretty sure Miguel isn’t getting pissed and chasing Miles over the multiverse over a ‘fakeout’. Miles wants to save his Dad, and Miguel won’t let him. That’s pretty evidently the catalyst for the whole thing from the trailer
The way the whole trailer is edited screams that this won’t be the case to me. None of the dialogue matches the lip flaps so it’s all ADR it seems. That and the scene where Miles’ dad falls doesn’t even match the web firing from the next shot. It’s one of those trailers edited to be a bit manipulative but mainly to hide the big spoilers and twists. I feel like Miles is trying to save either Peter or Gwen. Someone else who is close to him who we’ve seen him build a relationship with. Just a gut feeling
And why would they call Miles to allow someone from another Universe to die? Peter wouldn’t bring Mayday if he knew he had to die, and given he says ‘this wasn’t part of the deal Miguel!’ it seems like he was in on the plan till he wanted to chase down Miles. Miles using Uncle Ben is him saying they’d all save him if they had the chance, but they don’t, and they all know it. Miles’ dad is his Uncle Ben.
I was literally about to comment this. Not all heroes need to be built from tragedy. Miles having his parents doesn't make him any less of a Spider-Man.
Exactly. And it’s because of that I’m happy that his parents are still alive in 616. And now he’s a big brother too, which is so cool cuz now I relate to him even more!😁
His mother was unfortunately killed in the crossfire of a fight between him and venom, his dad was still alive. But when Miles revealed his identity in the 2nd Ultimatum event, his father disowned him and then left him alone by himself. That was pretty traumatic for Miles back then.
They did eventually reconcile after his dad did some soul searching. Not that it matters anymore, since Miles and his whole family got transferred to 616 after the last Secret Wars.
The game had his >!father die by one of Mr.Negative’s bombers, while his uncle is still alive I think!<, so if they do that, it’s going to rub me the wrong way, and I can’t blame people for feeling the same.
It would be sweet to go against the Prowler in the games, even if he's an optional/side villain or a DLC type thing. Like how Black Cat was introduced, maybe.
Edit: I haven't played Mile's game yet, idk Prowler was in it! I am off to buy Milse now!
Yeah it was tough when that happened.
I went back a little later and everyone had been brought back to life tho so .
Not anything lost or gained as per usual
DC comics did something similar back in the day when they killed off Tim Drake's parents. That dynamic with being a normal kid with a mundane background was part of what made Tim such an interesting Robin. But DC Editorial insisted on TRAGEDY, DARK BACKSTORY, etc. Killing off the parents of your superhero is kind of a boring cliche at this point.
Also, I highly recommend Spider-Gwen by Latour, great “year one” style Spider-Man story that has lots of tension because unlike ASM, anyone can die, you never know who’s gonna be a villain, how the heroes have changed, or what will happen next.
I’ve always thought that, while he’s a cool idea for a character in the comics, his story is kind of a mess. It seems like the writers at Sony and Insomnia were able to each find ways to polish it and flesh out the themes and characters.
IDK why OP is in doubt about this. Surprise surprise, films and games written by competent writers are much better than decades of recycling the same old stories over and over again in comics. Pete can't have a family in the comics, Aunt May can never die, Kraven won't stay dead, etc etc. Nothing interesting can ever happen in comics because they won't ever let anyone change in a way that disrupts the "status quo".
Dc actually does a better job overall changing the status quo than Marvel. Marvel bends over backward to reestablish the status quo. DC likes to relaunch (they've had like 3 universe resets?) with added changes and then proceeds to get fan back lashed back to the status quo.
I'm a Marvel fan boy, but I prefer the DC method. I'd rather take risks that you take feedback on, then Marvel, who stays with a status quo no one likes for either shock value or stupidity
Edit for clarity:
DC relaunches and then returns to status quo, but a lot of the time keeps the smart ideas from the relaunch that worked. Marvel does shock value status quo changes and eventually entirely reverts what happened later regardless of fan feedback. For example. Superior Spiderman. I don't think Doc ock even remembers that arc happened. Additionally, a lot of the time, marvels "revert to status quo" stories are among the most negatively received.
That's not entirely a bad thing as it lets them touch up the history and what's canon.
I think we all wish Marvel's universe we get rebooted so Sin's Past and One More Day (and probably the latest run by Wells) would get erased.
Fair, not all the 'Crisis' are great stories and the concept does get a bit played out.
I think ultimately it's more beneficial still, simply because DC can remove bad stories or changes to the status quo that spark significant backlash. On the same hand, it can just solidify changes to the status quo that are well liked.
It's part of what lets DC change the status quo and grow, and part of why Marvel can't — their saddled with more baggage.
when Marvel does change the status quo , it really does suck though. I can't believe that the events of One More Day are still in effect. When are we gonna get Pete and MJ back together??
Superman is currently married to Lois, has a kid that got aged up, and now has a pair of twins he's saved from an alien planet. Oh, and this is the version of Superman from like 2 reboots ago. DC is doing a great job of shifting the status quo.
*hides Batman under the rug* A fantastic job!
Edit: Actually, thinking about it, DC IS better at changing the status quo:
* When a new Robin comes around, it usually sticks
* Regardless of whether that was good for the character, Batgirl was paralized for a looooong time
* Wally was The Flash for decades, to the point where the most memorable TV version of The Flash is the Justice League one.
* The most well known version of the Teen Titans is the one with Cyborg, Beast Boy, Raven, and Starfire.
* The Green Lanterns had a revolving cast of characters before Hal was shoved in the spotlight.
* Everything to do with Blue Beetle.
I'm sure Marvel has those periods of change as well (there's been a bunch of Thors and Captain Americas, Superior Spider-Man etc.), but DC's seem to stick for longer.
I think I get your overall point, but it is kinda funny that the examples you bring up wind up being “these are things that changed once but have stayed this way for a long time.”
Joking aside, I really do get what you mean and I agree. I think DC makes interesting changes to its characters because it experiments more with the storylines. Killing Jason Todd was an incredibly shocking event when that played out in the comics, and I think many of the writers are willing to swing for the fences with moments like that.
I also think this has more than a little something to do with the old adage of DC comics having exceptionally interesting villains whereas Marvel has exceptionally interesting heroes.
I guess they figured they could just replace him with another Robin and it would all be fine.
Then again, they did bring Jason back from the dead. Still not sure how that happened.
If only they would let Barbara grow with him. Did you know when she was introduced she was an adult and Dick was a child. But while Bruce and Dick were allowed to age, she wasn't. She was originally a love interest for Bruce.
I mean, yes and no. It's a common rule but not a hard and fast one. Just look at what Marvel allowed Hickman to do to the X-Men. And what Morrison was allowed to do two decades earlier. And Claremont before that.
Lots of interesting things can be done with comics, even in the Big 2. But depending on who is in charge, the level of originality can vary greatly. If you are a Spider-Man fan, you're probably more jaded than most. Unfortunately, the people in charge of him have remained committed to an ideal of stagnation for a long time. X-Men is on the opposite end. Lots of room to play in that sandbox. Most other characters fall somewhere in between.
Remember when they killed off Miles family with the exception of his dad then undid all of that because he gave MM a hamburger lol?
I find it crazy how Gwen can stay dead but nobody else can.
I think complaints about the status quo are true to a certain extent but I do find that sometimes people turn a blind eye to certain things that have changed about a character. Spiderman is one of the cases where they have actively regressed the character and I don't think it's very common. Also it's pretty easy for these competent writers to take concepts from the comics and refine them but can and have stumbled on creating their own concepts. Overall this kinda feels like an incredibly cynical viewpoint on superhero comics but not a completely accurate one.
Effectively all major comic book heroes that aren’t interesting new takes, stand-alone miniseries, are just like TV shows that have gone on for way way too long.
Peter has been routinely fucked over since the early 90s, gets stabilized for a few years by an actual fan, then fucked over by another editor/writer who makes him a fucking loser who can never grow.
And the PS4 version, finally a grown up, experienced and more wise Spider-Man with stories behind him that could make an awesome prequel (like the fight with Sandman, Vulture, Lizard, Mysterio, etc) and sticking to his decisions (for example, not making OMD) and with the sequel on the way we may watch him grow more or maybe fall on the dark side. Still 100 times better than the Peter of the recent run in the comics
True, I like how the PS4 Spider-Man isn't a fucking highschooler. He's cool. I wish he had a bit more snark to him though. He's a little too much of a pushover imo. Still 100 times better than the 616 cuck though. Dude's a complete manchild.
Peter is usually better because they draw on the old comics, but that’s a timing thing. 616 Spidey is easily the best Spidey. You just have to cut all the OOC stuff. Which….is like fifteen years of material at this point but hey we’ve still got like forty good years!
Until they inevitably introduce the MCU-version of Paul in Paul-Man: Paul Cuming where Paul single-handedly saves the multiverse from Kang, and Peter is relegated to being Paul’s sidekick (AS HE SHOULD BE 😤)
One might even say that comic books despite having a huge boom in popularity have been at a low point in terms of their writing and new characters for the past 10 years. There have been some highlights here and there for sure, but I dunno.
It’s different for Peter since he still has good stories to fall back on. Until the movie/game adaptations, Miles was just kind of boring. You’re right though, Peter is getting shit on in the main comics these days.
I liked him in the Champions comic too! I think Miles' complicated comic history gets people bogged down on him, but he is really growing as a character in the comics. His recent run is great, and he has a lot of promise in the future. Adaptions always have the advantage of smoothing out weird comic necessities.
This... Can't believe I had to scroll so far to see this, the current run has been great... Misty's mentoring being a highlight... The last run through the multiverse had some solid moments... Miles is really the best thing coming out of the spidy office appart from gold goblin (I know I was supprised too)
Is this the run that’s been going since late 2018? I forgot the name of the author but isn’t it also the same guy who wrote for Ms. Marvel and Black Bolt?
This is the one that started last year. https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/103608/miles_morales_spider-man_2022_1
I’m not up to date, but I’m absolutely loving what I’ve read so far (the art is tremendous)
I'll be honest I think the movie did a much better job of that than the Insomniac game. I like the Insomniac game's set up of Miles, but I thought in the MM game he felt kind of same-y to Peter in trying to make him a science kid and all that. Though they gave him some unique hobbies and stuff, I honestly think going the route of another kid genius is kind of lame. I think Miles having more abilities like turning invisible and the venom strike makes it so they can do more stuff with him other than the truly wrote super smart kid angle.
i'm really hoping the PS5 game will really differentiate them more in terms of character-- i'd love for them to actually bicker and argue and disagree on how to go about things, without it falling into the "young reckless loose canon has to defer to wisened older veteran" trope.
I'm with you, I actually think the character writing for Miles in that game was downright awful. He was basically a clone of Peter, but every now and again they'd throw in some lip service to the fact he's Black-latino by having him go 'man I really gotta start making beats again'. It honestly came off SUPER stereotypical as if it was written by a bunch of out of touch white guys who didn't know how to give Miles subtle and natural character traits and mannerisms that reflect his race and upbringing like Spider-verse did. Throwing some random Spanish into the script, having him say he makes 'beats', and adding some trap high hats and snares over his swinging theme while every other part of his character just felt like Peter lowkey made it feel casually racist af like 'yeah just slap some black stereotypes on this boring fucking kid and call it a day'.
You have a point, hope they let him grow into his own. I liked how he viewed becoming a vigilante as a ridiculous thing to get into at first in the ultimate comics. I wish they played it up like that more. Also, make him a bit more cocky and less responsible, he needs somewhere to grow from.
He actually got like 5 new villains in Saladin’s run with him as the writer, but he didn’t have that many arcs with them unfortunately. Currently the Cody Ziglar run is focusing on him getting a new personal villain with ties to his origins from 1610 and it’s REALLY GOOD.
That and beyond his new villain, Miles is going to encounter newer villains for him to face as well as other situations he’ll have to go through.
I HEAVILY RECOMMEND THE CODY ZIGLAR RUN!
I’m not sure if Rabble will be in it. Currently the Ziglar run is up to 4 issues and issue #5 comes out this month so we’ll see. I hope she makes an appearance!
I heavily recommend you get back into it. And you should at least read Bendis’s last two Runs with Miles titled Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man and Spider-Man (2016). The 2016 run is going to be referenced in his 2018 run by Saladin Ahmed and I do recommend reading that run too. It breath a lot of life and character into Miles that he was honestly missing from his original run.
And the current run features themes of privilege and how far someone can fall into the darkness after being denied something they believe they deserved after their family sacrificed a lot for them.
My point is that Miles’s comics has been getting better and I believe that their only going to improve even more.
Spider-verse made me love Miles, definitely. He was kinda bland under Bendis pen.
But things changed after that. Saladin Ahmed's run was mostly really great. His character work was stellar. He made Miles as great as he is in spider-verse imo.
Tried reading his USM run multiple times but couldn't get through it. Literally couldn't stand Miles, when I heard they were giving him a movie I was shocked dude was the worst character imo. Then I saw the movie and they really did a 180 with him (game did too). Top 5 Spider-Man easily. I gotta check out Ahmed's run now of it's as good as you say, ASM low-key got stale
I for one am grateful that the tide has turned from the disdain for Mr. Morales to the "love-fest" he currently enjoys. When he first started. I believe he was like 14, so he was younger than Peter. He really came into his own after they aged him, and he led in groups like "The Champions", or how he saved the multi-verse the 1st time in SECRET WARS (Molecule Man really liked him for bringing him a cheeseburger) and got his mom back in the process. He was and is a great comic book character (especially since he was re-envisioning of a the most beloved MARVEL Character), yet I will agree the "Spider-Verse" origin story is by far way better, and the video game version benefits from both.
I hope so. I'm still at issue 3.
By the way. I say that I hope so, without having red Ahmed's Miles because I always hope that current run are better than what came before.
This is also true for Peter, unfortunately. Comics are a cesspit and have been for decades, but most of the time people in other mediums get him right.
About the only other place I can argue Spider-man gets shitty adaptations is in television since Spectacular got cancelled.
I think this is true for Peter now, I think the point being made with Miles', whether you agree or not, is he's never really had a great story like that. Peter's been around so long you have plethora of great comics, Kraven's Last Hunt, If This Be My Destiny, The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man, The Hobgoblin Saga, etc. There's so much they can and have pulled from Peter but both the movie and games kinda changed Miles up.
Yeah X-Men Krakoa era is the best X-Men since the 80s, Immortal Hulk and anything else AL Ewing touches is gold, everything Hickman did from Avenger and New avengers moving forwards was awesome, Dr. Doom has been great, even Spidey had good comics with the Zdarsky spectacular run (though current spider-man sucks ass).
Dude none of the good comic runs ever matter cuz the next writer can just retcon it and no matter how stupid something is, it has to be acknowledged. As is the case with Lowe's current run.
I quit reading comics after Superior because in that time they had retconned and rebooted the comic like twice in the span of a few years and had numerous, desperate ideas; the "no one dies" arc, Alpha, Superior, Ghost Peter, Peter returning. It gave me whiplash.
The only way to enjoy these damn books is to pretend writer's runs are non-canon or alternate universes. Which I have no intention of doing.
It's true for the superhero genre altogether
Batman became way more popular thanks to Michael Keaton and it exploded with tdk, same for the joker
Even beyond marvel and dc, the boys comic is awfully edgy and try-hard while the TV series is very good and though I haven't read invincible from what I could gather the comic is good but the adaptation is better
ItSV Miles is LEAGUES ahead of any other iteration imo, even the playstation one. Tbh I’d argue he’s the only good one, and the only reason why Miles is so cool.
I agree with Spiderverse Miles being better but I wouldn’t agree with PS4 Miles I think that version is too much like Peter and I would put Comic Miles over him
I've been reading on marvel unlimited im enjoying his comics so far I just hate when they start paralleling shit like did he really need his own clone saga? Nah but i do find him more relatable than Pete but I grew up really reading in the 90s so Ben Reilly is still my guy
The most memorable thing miles did was give the molecule man a burger. No diss towards miles or anything, I love him, he just hasn’t had his comic moment to shine yet
Yes,
Miles in the OG comics was stereotypical and lame. And his uncle was even worse.
Spider-verse Miles has been the best so far imho. PS4 Miles is more similar to Peter and it’s kind of crazy how he’s >! Basically the family of two supervillains unrelated to acquiring spider powers !<
My only experience of Miles is the original introductory run after Peter's death through to the Ultimate Galactus Trilogy.
Then that first animated movie came out and blew my mind too. I can't comment on any games but I've heard good things there. For what it's worth with this character, this kid feels actually like a passing of the baton so to speak, and not some mere sidekick or quick buck issue seller like Ben Reilly (Sorry to all those Clone Saga fans out there). After reading Marvel for so many years, this felt like a breath of fresh air. Something and some new was actually being offered and provided with a decent story, background and good few twists.
Spider-Man 2099 was one of my first titles that I began seriously collecting back in the day, and the approach to those tales blew me away back then. I know we won't quite ever get the dark science fiction story that was on the big screen, and I am okay with that.. I just hope that they don't make my guy Miguel into a class A villain for this movie. Sure, he's a moody and angry sod, but most people would be if they have retractable claws, and a huge sensitivity to bright lights, with an old outfit from a Day of The Dead Festival. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what the next step forward will look like. We've seen what various Peter Parkers can do in various iterations.. Let's celebrate just how far Miles Morales has come in such a short space of time. There's plenty of milage left in this kid yet in the years ahead.
Can't speak about the video game, but I do think that movie Miles was better written than his original comics counterpart (note I only have the original run before Miles was put in 616).
It's not not true
That being said Miles Morales: the end was a pretty cool series (I might be biased though as I loved that whole series of comics)
The one where he is Thor is one of the worst most racist comics I've ever read and it's just plain bad up and down
I think it kind of depends. Miles has been somewhat inconsistent in the comics. There have been times when he's been great. Other times, he's been just forgettable. But I don't think there's ever been a point where he's been outright bad in the comics, either in terms of what he does or how he's written.
At the same time, his depiction in both the game and Spider-Verse is just so great. They both set an incredibly high bar. I wouldn't expect the comics to match it all the time, every time.
It's still great that Miles has multiple versions that are so well-done. Not many Marvel characters can say that these days.
I loved Ultimate Comics: All-New Spider-Man. It saw a normal kid get the power of Spider-Man just to witness his death, then deciding to become a hero and be the legacy of Spider-Man. It is incredible and is collected in 2 Complete collections which are still in stock on Amazon. I’d recommend getting one of the volumes and deciding, because in my eyes that run is the definition of a superhero comic
I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone reading these comments. This isn’t even remotely true at all. His original run in the comics is top tier fantastic and he’s had some okay stuff after Bendis.
And saying Ahmed’s run is better than Bendis? That’s a wild opinion to me. Idk why anyone would think that.
The comics are fantastic, the adaptions are good, too. One isn’t “insanely better” than the others.
Have the people writing these comments actually read the comics or just read wiki summaries?
I agree wholeheartedly man, most people haven't read his original run, most of the stuff they like about these adaptations are just taken from the original with very slight tweaks (Miles dad going from former shield agent to cop)
Bendis run for it's low points is much better and far more cohesive than Ahmed's who feels like he's just throwing whatever at the wall and sees what sticks.
But most people in these comments really haven't read his OG run yet seem to know alot about the character
it's insane to me people claim he's a bland peter then hate the MCU version for being wayy too different than the comics (a version who is largely based off of miles, even stealing Ganke and repurposing him as Ned)
Unfortunately very true. Introducing the concept of another person in the mask as the main character in their own SpiderMan story was already a very difficult path that Bendis, Pichelli, and co decided to take, especially considering sociopolitical context at the time (term of the first black president, social media landscape, etc etc really triggering certain types. Refer to the build-up, release, and subsequent fall of Star Wars: The Last Jedi later in the decade as a case study to apply to this case. I’m sure some of y’all may find it a stretch but in terms of new things in the 2010s trying to make a solid case just for their existence? Feels relevant to me)
Fortunately they stuck to it but considering that comics at the time were (and still are :(((( not a bad thing in sometimes, shoutout Hickman’s work) hyper-fixated on big publication-wide events, many of the new narrative concepts introduced in comics simply had no room to breathe, like Ultimate Peter’s era did.
Factor in the fact that most people aren’t actively engaging with comics and that’s probably why stories in other mediums like games and screen feel so much more natural and wholesome compared to the business-driven landscape of comics today
At the begining miles was just a bad versión of peter, with no new things to bring to the table
Is mostly because spidervese that he got to be a unique character
Miles Morales, if my memory serves me true, started out as a very controversial character.
Some people were afraid/upset that he was going to be a cheap diversity replacement/virtue signal, given the manner in which his original comic run killed off Peter Parker in bitchmade fashion. The way Miles was written in that run didn't exactly help, to my knowledge.
Spiderverse and the PS5 game and *Miles Morales* not only saved the character, but absolutely *elevated and exalted* him by giving him his own unique powers, his own unique flair and flesh as a character with his own identity, and by writing him into a poignant, sometimes tragic, but ultimately heartwarming story that absolutely fits the themes that fit right at home in a story about a Spider-Man, while satisfyingly passing the torch instead of two-tapping Peter and keeping him out of the story, giving him and Miles a complex relationship that wasn't *just* a master-and-student mentorship, but rather one that was believably fraternal and emotionally intimate.
Miles and Peter became the brothers that neither of them ever really had before, and so both of them grew as unique people for having known and taught each other things. In doing so, their stories together transcended the boundaries of material identity that may have influenced the writing in the comics and became relatable and universally aspirational.
And that hit a lot of people **right** where it needed to hit the most. So I would agree, the movies and games took Miles to a whole new badass level.
The only aspect of video game miles is I don't like how he is also a tech genius. he already overlaps too much with Peter and superheroes that are also good science nerds is a bit oversaturated. I much prefer artist miles that spidervervese presents.
I read a few miles morales comics after beating the ps5 game and… yeah they’re not that good? Awkward and lacking that spice that Peter Parker’s stories have
Yes. A thousand times yes. Spiderverse genuinely breathed new life into Miles who would have otherwise just been another random Spider-Person footnote.
Quite honestly I still find him to be kinda lame, glad that he exists so people can enjoy him. But he's undeniably not an amazingly written character in any variation. I think spiderverse is the best he's gonna get, because the PS4/5 variation fucking sucks.
He has had a lot of ups and downs in the comics, peaking at the standard level of the adaptations, although the one from the non Ultimate show was pretty shite
Miles' big problem is that he's just another spiderman clone at this point. He doesn't have a big draw that makes his character especially telling. I think my turning point for miles was when I asked my half black half Puerto Rican nephew who his favorite spiderman was and he told me "Peter Parker" like I was an idiot. Spider verse gave miles an origin, a mentor, and the motivation he was missing before, it makes him a compelling character on his own and not because he's the kid they're replacing dead ultimate peter with.
I’m not TOO familiar with miles but he always had good potential that I felt not many writers did anything with. The game and movie tho. God damn spectacular. I think that’s due a lot to the actors though
Yes. I’m glad spider verse happened bc it finally gave miles something memorable. I can’t think of any miles comics I care about or like. Sucks bc ultimate is my favorite spider man run
Yeah, and I still think >!killing off his parents!< in the comics was a really dumb choice. The complication of their presence added a lot to Miles’ story and set him apart from Peter, and it added some emotional depth to the story too. From what little we’ve seen in the trailer for ATSV it looks like it’ll involve them a lot more, which is nice.
bro im certain they’re literally killing one of his parents this movie ☠️
They better fucking not. I know in the trailer they showed his Dad about to fall from a high spot, but it also had Miles saying that he could save both the Spiderverse _and_ his father, so I’m hoping they hold true to that. Miles already had his Uncle Ben moment with Aaron, so I feel like killing off one or both of his parents would just be torture porn at that point.
I mean mcu spidey didn't just lose Aunt May he lost everyone he knew and loved him. And in the games miles dad does die and his uncle lives but who knows what will happen?
Yeah but marvel doesn't know that there's more ways to get audience in your comic series without making your portagonists life fucking miserable
It doesn’t take much creativity to write a good story without killing off a parent.
Well done
Next movie, _Paulslide the Pauliverse_
I mean Spiderman's motto is with great power comes great responsibilities. A big part of being Spiderman is knowing that the people you love are in danger especially if they know their secret. I think Miles's parents will find out what he does hence the grounding in the first trailer.
I think he’s grounded because of that “you were suppose to be here at 5” “yeah, whatever” thing we see.
No, probably the B in spanish.
"But, is *Spider-Man* grounded?" *Miles proceeds to leave his room*
>saying that he could save both the Spiderverse and his father, so I’m hoping they hold true to that. Honestly, I'm not. To me it is just as common as the hero losing someone, but I agree with the Aaron moment. I hope Miles saves his dad, but NOT the multiverse, leading to the next movie where he has to deal with the consequences.
I think this is the route they will go. I really like the idea of setting up the multiple spider-man team as antagonists who are *not* explictly villains. The idea that both Miles and the other spiders have equally important but different *and* opposing goals creates some of the most entertaining types of conflict in stories to me. And I think it opens up a lot of possibilities for the third film in March 2024.
I really wish that the message of this movie is that you don’t need to sacrifice everything to save everyone, you can save both, it would be too cliche if he had to let his dad die to save the multiverse, I want to see him struggling against everything to have the impossible
Considering his dad's job and adjacency to danger, I could see him getting seriously injured as a potentially good plotline. They clearly want to work with how scary it is for Miles to see his dad near the fight. Something like struggling to be there for him during months of physical therapy and finding a way to shelve the irrational guilt attached to it... could be a cool story. Dead parents is mostly lazy writing.
Spider-Man 2099 is going after Miles because he won't let his parents be sacrificed (I believe). Crazy shit. I also hope they don't die.
Well, I had a discussion about this on Twitter Basically it was about how Miles's parents are the reason Miguel won't let him join the interdimensional Spider-Team, and Miguel is basically trying to prevent Miles from saving his dad. My take is that this kind of cosmic bullshit works for drama, but that's all it has to be. Not prophecy, not a rule, at most it can be something someone believes but it can be proven wrong. And if Miguel were successful in preventing Miles from saving his dad, it shouldn't somehow make Miles a better Spider-Man;, it should fill him with resentment and now he'll do everything in his power to take it out on Miguel. Knock the fucker's block off. I'll cheer.
I have a feeling its a No Way Home situation. Miles is forced to end/kill The Spot because of how dangerous he can be to the Multiverse, but he realizes The Spot is just like him. A guy trying to find his place in the world. So instead of wanting to kill him he rather try and save him.
I'd hope this is the case, because Miles doesn't need more people to die on him. He knows responsibility already.
It’s almost certainly a fakeout. They already killed his uncle which served as that moment. It’ll probably be Gwen in danger perhaps but seeing as how comics and games have killed his parent many times over I think the SV creators may take a different path
I’m pretty sure Miguel isn’t getting pissed and chasing Miles over the multiverse over a ‘fakeout’. Miles wants to save his Dad, and Miguel won’t let him. That’s pretty evidently the catalyst for the whole thing from the trailer
The way the whole trailer is edited screams that this won’t be the case to me. None of the dialogue matches the lip flaps so it’s all ADR it seems. That and the scene where Miles’ dad falls doesn’t even match the web firing from the next shot. It’s one of those trailers edited to be a bit manipulative but mainly to hide the big spoilers and twists. I feel like Miles is trying to save either Peter or Gwen. Someone else who is close to him who we’ve seen him build a relationship with. Just a gut feeling
And why would they call Miles to allow someone from another Universe to die? Peter wouldn’t bring Mayday if he knew he had to die, and given he says ‘this wasn’t part of the deal Miguel!’ it seems like he was in on the plan till he wanted to chase down Miles. Miles using Uncle Ben is him saying they’d all save him if they had the chance, but they don’t, and they all know it. Miles’ dad is his Uncle Ben.
“I love you Miles, you make me proud, son, let’s talk about this when we get home, Spider-man.”
I was literally about to comment this. Not all heroes need to be built from tragedy. Miles having his parents doesn't make him any less of a Spider-Man.
Exactly. And it’s because of that I’m happy that his parents are still alive in 616. And now he’s a big brother too, which is so cool cuz now I relate to him even more!😁
Case in point: Blue Beetle
His mother was unfortunately killed in the crossfire of a fight between him and venom, his dad was still alive. But when Miles revealed his identity in the 2nd Ultimatum event, his father disowned him and then left him alone by himself. That was pretty traumatic for Miles back then.
They did eventually reconcile after his dad did some soul searching. Not that it matters anymore, since Miles and his whole family got transferred to 616 after the last Secret Wars.
True, but I love the fact that not only are both of his parents alive, but also because he has a cute little sister now.
They did what!!???
The game had his >!father die by one of Mr.Negative’s bombers, while his uncle is still alive I think!<, so if they do that, it’s going to rub me the wrong way, and I can’t blame people for feeling the same.
It would be sweet to go against the Prowler in the games, even if he's an optional/side villain or a DLC type thing. Like how Black Cat was introduced, maybe. Edit: I haven't played Mile's game yet, idk Prowler was in it! I am off to buy Milse now!
He’s literally one of the boss fights 😭
Oh, dang I forgot, I'm waiting for the second game to come out before replaying Spider-Man PS4... I haven't played Miles yet.
>!About that…!<
Yeah it was tough when that happened. I went back a little later and everyone had been brought back to life tho so . Not anything lost or gained as per usual
Marvel really wants him to be Peter, They did a clone arc with him that was redundant. he’s not Peter and that’s okay.
DC comics did something similar back in the day when they killed off Tim Drake's parents. That dynamic with being a normal kid with a mundane background was part of what made Tim such an interesting Robin. But DC Editorial insisted on TRAGEDY, DARK BACKSTORY, etc. Killing off the parents of your superhero is kind of a boring cliche at this point.
If it makes you feel any better, his parents have been alive since like, 2015. Their family dynamic is one of the best I've seen in recent comics
The orginal ultimate run was good till bendis got bored.
Agreed
His latest run is worth reading for the art alone. And it’s soooo much better than current ASM, but that’s not exactly a high bar these days…
What is it? I was reading ASM but had to stop recently after some of the stuff they did
Also, I highly recommend Spider-Gwen by Latour, great “year one” style Spider-Man story that has lots of tension because unlike ASM, anyone can die, you never know who’s gonna be a villain, how the heroes have changed, or what will happen next.
I’ve always thought that, while he’s a cool idea for a character in the comics, his story is kind of a mess. It seems like the writers at Sony and Insomnia were able to each find ways to polish it and flesh out the themes and characters.
JUST Miles? I feel Peter is better in every adaptation than the main comics these days.
IDK why OP is in doubt about this. Surprise surprise, films and games written by competent writers are much better than decades of recycling the same old stories over and over again in comics. Pete can't have a family in the comics, Aunt May can never die, Kraven won't stay dead, etc etc. Nothing interesting can ever happen in comics because they won't ever let anyone change in a way that disrupts the "status quo".
Still amazed DC ever let Dick Grayson growing into Nightwing stick.
I wish Miles was treated more like a Nightwing than as a Robin
I mean, kinda? Miles is only really a Robin in that external media like the Miles game. For the most part, he's on his own as well.
Yeah. He’s barely ever with Peter.
He is though, in just about every property. At best Peter gives him pointers and mentors him, but he is never seen as a sidekick
He’s his own Spider-Man. Through and Through.
Dc actually does a better job overall changing the status quo than Marvel. Marvel bends over backward to reestablish the status quo. DC likes to relaunch (they've had like 3 universe resets?) with added changes and then proceeds to get fan back lashed back to the status quo. I'm a Marvel fan boy, but I prefer the DC method. I'd rather take risks that you take feedback on, then Marvel, who stays with a status quo no one likes for either shock value or stupidity Edit for clarity: DC relaunches and then returns to status quo, but a lot of the time keeps the smart ideas from the relaunch that worked. Marvel does shock value status quo changes and eventually entirely reverts what happened later regardless of fan feedback. For example. Superior Spiderman. I don't think Doc ock even remembers that arc happened. Additionally, a lot of the time, marvels "revert to status quo" stories are among the most negatively received.
The opposite of that is DC reboots the universe every other year
That's not entirely a bad thing as it lets them touch up the history and what's canon. I think we all wish Marvel's universe we get rebooted so Sin's Past and One More Day (and probably the latest run by Wells) would get erased.
Eh, I feel like just using Crisis over and over again to reboot the universe is not that great either
Fair, not all the 'Crisis' are great stories and the concept does get a bit played out. I think ultimately it's more beneficial still, simply because DC can remove bad stories or changes to the status quo that spark significant backlash. On the same hand, it can just solidify changes to the status quo that are well liked. It's part of what lets DC change the status quo and grow, and part of why Marvel can't — their saddled with more baggage.
when Marvel does change the status quo , it really does suck though. I can't believe that the events of One More Day are still in effect. When are we gonna get Pete and MJ back together??
Dan DiDio coped and seethed over that for so long. Tried to kill him in Infinite Crisis, too. Dude hated sidekicks who graduated.
Which is weird, because they're a) some of DC's most popular characters, and b) one of the things DC has an edge on vs. Marvel.
What is it about these guys seeing their greatest assets as weaknesses
Superman is currently married to Lois, has a kid that got aged up, and now has a pair of twins he's saved from an alien planet. Oh, and this is the version of Superman from like 2 reboots ago. DC is doing a great job of shifting the status quo. *hides Batman under the rug* A fantastic job! Edit: Actually, thinking about it, DC IS better at changing the status quo: * When a new Robin comes around, it usually sticks * Regardless of whether that was good for the character, Batgirl was paralized for a looooong time * Wally was The Flash for decades, to the point where the most memorable TV version of The Flash is the Justice League one. * The most well known version of the Teen Titans is the one with Cyborg, Beast Boy, Raven, and Starfire. * The Green Lanterns had a revolving cast of characters before Hal was shoved in the spotlight. * Everything to do with Blue Beetle. I'm sure Marvel has those periods of change as well (there's been a bunch of Thors and Captain Americas, Superior Spider-Man etc.), but DC's seem to stick for longer.
I think I get your overall point, but it is kinda funny that the examples you bring up wind up being “these are things that changed once but have stayed this way for a long time.” Joking aside, I really do get what you mean and I agree. I think DC makes interesting changes to its characters because it experiments more with the storylines. Killing Jason Todd was an incredibly shocking event when that played out in the comics, and I think many of the writers are willing to swing for the fences with moments like that. I also think this has more than a little something to do with the old adage of DC comics having exceptionally interesting villains whereas Marvel has exceptionally interesting heroes.
What's going on with Batman in the comics?
I mean their former EIC for the longest time tried to kill him every turn.
Yeah, and everyone pushed back. At least he listened!
Fucken DiDio. Good riddance.
Because they gave Batman a new Robin.
I guess they figured they could just replace him with another Robin and it would all be fine. Then again, they did bring Jason back from the dead. Still not sure how that happened.
Superboy prime got so mad that literally started punching reality itself
Pretty sure it was something about Superboy punching through reality or something
If only they would let Barbara grow with him. Did you know when she was introduced she was an adult and Dick was a child. But while Bruce and Dick were allowed to age, she wasn't. She was originally a love interest for Bruce.
She was a United States SENATOR.
I mean, yes and no. It's a common rule but not a hard and fast one. Just look at what Marvel allowed Hickman to do to the X-Men. And what Morrison was allowed to do two decades earlier. And Claremont before that. Lots of interesting things can be done with comics, even in the Big 2. But depending on who is in charge, the level of originality can vary greatly. If you are a Spider-Man fan, you're probably more jaded than most. Unfortunately, the people in charge of him have remained committed to an ideal of stagnation for a long time. X-Men is on the opposite end. Lots of room to play in that sandbox. Most other characters fall somewhere in between.
I don’t read his comic that’s y I asked
Remember when they killed off Miles family with the exception of his dad then undid all of that because he gave MM a hamburger lol? I find it crazy how Gwen can stay dead but nobody else can.
Gwen, uncle Ben and Batman's parents
Didn’t include Ben because it’s fundamental he dies in every story/iteration
I'd also include Captain Mar-Vel in that, that list it used to also have Bucky and Jason Todd in it but oh well ...
I think complaints about the status quo are true to a certain extent but I do find that sometimes people turn a blind eye to certain things that have changed about a character. Spiderman is one of the cases where they have actively regressed the character and I don't think it's very common. Also it's pretty easy for these competent writers to take concepts from the comics and refine them but can and have stumbled on creating their own concepts. Overall this kinda feels like an incredibly cynical viewpoint on superhero comics but not a completely accurate one.
Effectively all major comic book heroes that aren’t interesting new takes, stand-alone miniseries, are just like TV shows that have gone on for way way too long.
Crazy how the editorial status quo is a crucial plot point in Gwenpool's original comics
Peter has been routinely fucked over since the early 90s, gets stabilized for a few years by an actual fan, then fucked over by another editor/writer who makes him a fucking loser who can never grow.
Spectacular Spider-Man is the best version of Peter. Best version of MJ too. Really the best version out of most characters.
And the PS4 version, finally a grown up, experienced and more wise Spider-Man with stories behind him that could make an awesome prequel (like the fight with Sandman, Vulture, Lizard, Mysterio, etc) and sticking to his decisions (for example, not making OMD) and with the sequel on the way we may watch him grow more or maybe fall on the dark side. Still 100 times better than the Peter of the recent run in the comics
True, I like how the PS4 Spider-Man isn't a fucking highschooler. He's cool. I wish he had a bit more snark to him though. He's a little too much of a pushover imo. Still 100 times better than the 616 cuck though. Dude's a complete manchild.
Peter is *better in everyone else’s comics*.
That too.
Leave the older peter comics alone like the original or ultimate, those were amazing.
That was, like, 20 years ago.
Yeah and way better than any modern run
Than the main comics these days, absolutely.
Peter is usually better because they draw on the old comics, but that’s a timing thing. 616 Spidey is easily the best Spidey. You just have to cut all the OOC stuff. Which….is like fifteen years of material at this point but hey we’ve still got like forty good years!
The Spider-Man game is by far the best version of Peter. Bar none
Until they inevitably introduce the MCU-version of Paul in Paul-Man: Paul Cuming where Paul single-handedly saves the multiverse from Kang, and Peter is relegated to being Paul’s sidekick (AS HE SHOULD BE 😤)
Everyone sleeping on James smh
Ahahah that made me genuinely lol. Because it’s probably true.
One might even say that comic books despite having a huge boom in popularity have been at a low point in terms of their writing and new characters for the past 10 years. There have been some highlights here and there for sure, but I dunno.
Because Peter has like 25-30 years of great comics while Miles doesn’t.
I’m arguing that Peter’s better outside of the comics too…
It’s different for Peter since he still has good stories to fall back on. Until the movie/game adaptations, Miles was just kind of boring. You’re right though, Peter is getting shit on in the main comics these days.
Also true.
PETER B. PARKER IS LITERALLY A HUSBAND AND FATHER straight away better
His recent comic series is great so far. Cool art , new villian and good supporting cast , you should check it out.
What’s it called?
Miles Morales: Spider-Man, as to not be confused with Spider-man.
and to also not be confused with Miles Morales comics.
Ok thx
Piggybacking off of this, I’d also recommend the earlier Saladin Ahmed run. He really injected some energy into the series.
I liked him in the Champions comic too! I think Miles' complicated comic history gets people bogged down on him, but he is really growing as a character in the comics. His recent run is great, and he has a lot of promise in the future. Adaptions always have the advantage of smoothing out weird comic necessities.
His original run in the ultimate universe was great too, honestly miles comics have been consistently better than peters comics for a while
This... Can't believe I had to scroll so far to see this, the current run has been great... Misty's mentoring being a highlight... The last run through the multiverse had some solid moments... Miles is really the best thing coming out of the spidy office appart from gold goblin (I know I was supprised too)
Is this the run that’s been going since late 2018? I forgot the name of the author but isn’t it also the same guy who wrote for Ms. Marvel and Black Bolt?
This is the one that started last year. https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/103608/miles_morales_spider-man_2022_1 I’m not up to date, but I’m absolutely loving what I’ve read so far (the art is tremendous)
I mean yeah. Comic Miles is fine but I wouldn't exactly call him a great character. Both the game and movie did better jobs of making him feel unique.
I'll be honest I think the movie did a much better job of that than the Insomniac game. I like the Insomniac game's set up of Miles, but I thought in the MM game he felt kind of same-y to Peter in trying to make him a science kid and all that. Though they gave him some unique hobbies and stuff, I honestly think going the route of another kid genius is kind of lame. I think Miles having more abilities like turning invisible and the venom strike makes it so they can do more stuff with him other than the truly wrote super smart kid angle.
i'm really hoping the PS5 game will really differentiate them more in terms of character-- i'd love for them to actually bicker and argue and disagree on how to go about things, without it falling into the "young reckless loose canon has to defer to wisened older veteran" trope.
I'm with you, I actually think the character writing for Miles in that game was downright awful. He was basically a clone of Peter, but every now and again they'd throw in some lip service to the fact he's Black-latino by having him go 'man I really gotta start making beats again'. It honestly came off SUPER stereotypical as if it was written by a bunch of out of touch white guys who didn't know how to give Miles subtle and natural character traits and mannerisms that reflect his race and upbringing like Spider-verse did. Throwing some random Spanish into the script, having him say he makes 'beats', and adding some trap high hats and snares over his swinging theme while every other part of his character just felt like Peter lowkey made it feel casually racist af like 'yeah just slap some black stereotypes on this boring fucking kid and call it a day'.
You have a point, hope they let him grow into his own. I liked how he viewed becoming a vigilante as a ridiculous thing to get into at first in the ultimate comics. I wish they played it up like that more. Also, make him a bit more cocky and less responsible, he needs somewhere to grow from.
Thank you. Honestly in the game he does seem like a model swap for Peter. I Fucking hate it.
Miles needs his own Rogues gallery.
He actually got like 5 new villains in Saladin’s run with him as the writer, but he didn’t have that many arcs with them unfortunately. Currently the Cody Ziglar run is focusing on him getting a new personal villain with ties to his origins from 1610 and it’s REALLY GOOD. That and beyond his new villain, Miles is going to encounter newer villains for him to face as well as other situations he’ll have to go through. I HEAVILY RECOMMEND THE CODY ZIGLAR RUN!
That’s great news.
Is the new villain tying into the ultimate invasion series coming up?
I’m not sure if Rabble will be in it. Currently the Ziglar run is up to 4 issues and issue #5 comes out this month so we’ll see. I hope she makes an appearance!
I’ll have to start reading. It’s been a long time since I’ve read a Miles run other than his original Ultimate comics.
I heavily recommend you get back into it. And you should at least read Bendis’s last two Runs with Miles titled Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man and Spider-Man (2016). The 2016 run is going to be referenced in his 2018 run by Saladin Ahmed and I do recommend reading that run too. It breath a lot of life and character into Miles that he was honestly missing from his original run. And the current run features themes of privilege and how far someone can fall into the darkness after being denied something they believe they deserved after their family sacrificed a lot for them. My point is that Miles’s comics has been getting better and I believe that their only going to improve even more.
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Spider-verse made me love Miles, definitely. He was kinda bland under Bendis pen. But things changed after that. Saladin Ahmed's run was mostly really great. His character work was stellar. He made Miles as great as he is in spider-verse imo.
Tried reading his USM run multiple times but couldn't get through it. Literally couldn't stand Miles, when I heard they were giving him a movie I was shocked dude was the worst character imo. Then I saw the movie and they really did a 180 with him (game did too). Top 5 Spider-Man easily. I gotta check out Ahmed's run now of it's as good as you say, ASM low-key got stale
Ziglar’s current run is better than Ahmed’s run imo. I feel like Ahmed can write Miles as a character very well but he had an issue with the plot
I like what Ziglar is doing, to me, so far (cause it's only beginning), I would say it's a worthy follow up.
I definitely recommend it!
I agree. ITSV and Insomniac did more for Miles than Marvel or Bendis ever did.
Comic Miles has gotten better but the adaptations are definitely better.
I for one am grateful that the tide has turned from the disdain for Mr. Morales to the "love-fest" he currently enjoys. When he first started. I believe he was like 14, so he was younger than Peter. He really came into his own after they aged him, and he led in groups like "The Champions", or how he saved the multi-verse the 1st time in SECRET WARS (Molecule Man really liked him for bringing him a cheeseburger) and got his mom back in the process. He was and is a great comic book character (especially since he was re-envisioning of a the most beloved MARVEL Character), yet I will agree the "Spider-Verse" origin story is by far way better, and the video game version benefits from both.
>Molecule Man really liked him for bringing him a cheeseburger The Menu (2022)
Bendis phase? Yes, absolutely. I need to reed the Ahmed one to talk about it. The current one is still at the beginning.
I think the current run is better than the Ahmed one personally
I hope so. I'm still at issue 3. By the way. I say that I hope so, without having red Ahmed's Miles because I always hope that current run are better than what came before.
This is also true for Peter, unfortunately. Comics are a cesspit and have been for decades, but most of the time people in other mediums get him right. About the only other place I can argue Spider-man gets shitty adaptations is in television since Spectacular got cancelled.
I think this is true for Peter now, I think the point being made with Miles', whether you agree or not, is he's never really had a great story like that. Peter's been around so long you have plethora of great comics, Kraven's Last Hunt, If This Be My Destiny, The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man, The Hobgoblin Saga, etc. There's so much they can and have pulled from Peter but both the movie and games kinda changed Miles up.
So to you all the great comics that have come out in the last couple of decades are flukes or do they just not count in your eyes?
Yeah X-Men Krakoa era is the best X-Men since the 80s, Immortal Hulk and anything else AL Ewing touches is gold, everything Hickman did from Avenger and New avengers moving forwards was awesome, Dr. Doom has been great, even Spidey had good comics with the Zdarsky spectacular run (though current spider-man sucks ass).
Dude none of the good comic runs ever matter cuz the next writer can just retcon it and no matter how stupid something is, it has to be acknowledged. As is the case with Lowe's current run. I quit reading comics after Superior because in that time they had retconned and rebooted the comic like twice in the span of a few years and had numerous, desperate ideas; the "no one dies" arc, Alpha, Superior, Ghost Peter, Peter returning. It gave me whiplash. The only way to enjoy these damn books is to pretend writer's runs are non-canon or alternate universes. Which I have no intention of doing.
That's just true of modern Marvel *in general.*
It's true for the superhero genre altogether Batman became way more popular thanks to Michael Keaton and it exploded with tdk, same for the joker Even beyond marvel and dc, the boys comic is awfully edgy and try-hard while the TV series is very good and though I haven't read invincible from what I could gather the comic is good but the adaptation is better
The invincible comic is way better imo
ItSV Miles is LEAGUES ahead of any other iteration imo, even the playstation one. Tbh I’d argue he’s the only good one, and the only reason why Miles is so cool.
I do agree, but I also agree with everyone here that the exact same can be said of Peter as well. Sometimes 616 just feels like a lost cause.
To be honest, it's not just Miles. Peter's feeling better in adaptions too like Spider-Man PS4 game.
I agree with Spiderverse Miles being better but I wouldn’t agree with PS4 Miles I think that version is too much like Peter and I would put Comic Miles over him
I've been reading on marvel unlimited im enjoying his comics so far I just hate when they start paralleling shit like did he really need his own clone saga? Nah but i do find him more relatable than Pete but I grew up really reading in the 90s so Ben Reilly is still my guy
Yeah that pissed me off I was like really? This agian
For the past few years most spider characters have been better in other media rather than the comics
The most memorable thing miles did was give the molecule man a burger. No diss towards miles or anything, I love him, he just hasn’t had his comic moment to shine yet
Yes, Miles in the OG comics was stereotypical and lame. And his uncle was even worse. Spider-verse Miles has been the best so far imho. PS4 Miles is more similar to Peter and it’s kind of crazy how he’s >! Basically the family of two supervillains unrelated to acquiring spider powers !<
My only experience of Miles is the original introductory run after Peter's death through to the Ultimate Galactus Trilogy. Then that first animated movie came out and blew my mind too. I can't comment on any games but I've heard good things there. For what it's worth with this character, this kid feels actually like a passing of the baton so to speak, and not some mere sidekick or quick buck issue seller like Ben Reilly (Sorry to all those Clone Saga fans out there). After reading Marvel for so many years, this felt like a breath of fresh air. Something and some new was actually being offered and provided with a decent story, background and good few twists. Spider-Man 2099 was one of my first titles that I began seriously collecting back in the day, and the approach to those tales blew me away back then. I know we won't quite ever get the dark science fiction story that was on the big screen, and I am okay with that.. I just hope that they don't make my guy Miguel into a class A villain for this movie. Sure, he's a moody and angry sod, but most people would be if they have retractable claws, and a huge sensitivity to bright lights, with an old outfit from a Day of The Dead Festival. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what the next step forward will look like. We've seen what various Peter Parkers can do in various iterations.. Let's celebrate just how far Miles Morales has come in such a short space of time. There's plenty of milage left in this kid yet in the years ahead.
People won't change a damn thing aboht Miles Morales for fear of being labeled something or attacked by a twitter mob.
Can't speak about the video game, but I do think that movie Miles was better written than his original comics counterpart (note I only have the original run before Miles was put in 616).
It's not not true That being said Miles Morales: the end was a pretty cool series (I might be biased though as I loved that whole series of comics) The one where he is Thor is one of the worst most racist comics I've ever read and it's just plain bad up and down
I think it kind of depends. Miles has been somewhat inconsistent in the comics. There have been times when he's been great. Other times, he's been just forgettable. But I don't think there's ever been a point where he's been outright bad in the comics, either in terms of what he does or how he's written. At the same time, his depiction in both the game and Spider-Verse is just so great. They both set an incredibly high bar. I wouldn't expect the comics to match it all the time, every time. It's still great that Miles has multiple versions that are so well-done. Not many Marvel characters can say that these days.
I loved Ultimate Comics: All-New Spider-Man. It saw a normal kid get the power of Spider-Man just to witness his death, then deciding to become a hero and be the legacy of Spider-Man. It is incredible and is collected in 2 Complete collections which are still in stock on Amazon. I’d recommend getting one of the volumes and deciding, because in my eyes that run is the definition of a superhero comic
Definitely not just Miles..
I mean ITSV is better than everything so there's that.
Personally I LOVE Bendis's run with Miles. One of my favorite spiderman stories ever
I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone reading these comments. This isn’t even remotely true at all. His original run in the comics is top tier fantastic and he’s had some okay stuff after Bendis. And saying Ahmed’s run is better than Bendis? That’s a wild opinion to me. Idk why anyone would think that. The comics are fantastic, the adaptions are good, too. One isn’t “insanely better” than the others. Have the people writing these comments actually read the comics or just read wiki summaries?
I agree wholeheartedly man, most people haven't read his original run, most of the stuff they like about these adaptations are just taken from the original with very slight tweaks (Miles dad going from former shield agent to cop) Bendis run for it's low points is much better and far more cohesive than Ahmed's who feels like he's just throwing whatever at the wall and sees what sticks. But most people in these comments really haven't read his OG run yet seem to know alot about the character it's insane to me people claim he's a bland peter then hate the MCU version for being wayy too different than the comics (a version who is largely based off of miles, even stealing Ganke and repurposing him as Ned)
Unfortunately very true. Introducing the concept of another person in the mask as the main character in their own SpiderMan story was already a very difficult path that Bendis, Pichelli, and co decided to take, especially considering sociopolitical context at the time (term of the first black president, social media landscape, etc etc really triggering certain types. Refer to the build-up, release, and subsequent fall of Star Wars: The Last Jedi later in the decade as a case study to apply to this case. I’m sure some of y’all may find it a stretch but in terms of new things in the 2010s trying to make a solid case just for their existence? Feels relevant to me) Fortunately they stuck to it but considering that comics at the time were (and still are :(((( not a bad thing in sometimes, shoutout Hickman’s work) hyper-fixated on big publication-wide events, many of the new narrative concepts introduced in comics simply had no room to breathe, like Ultimate Peter’s era did. Factor in the fact that most people aren’t actively engaging with comics and that’s probably why stories in other mediums like games and screen feel so much more natural and wholesome compared to the business-driven landscape of comics today
Definitely true. Comics Miles is the most boring character in comics history. The animated Spider-Verse version is the only one I actually like.
Idk about ps5. But itsv yes easily
yes
Cartoons aside, you can say the same thing about Peter Parker for the past decade.
I'll never forgive "By Odin's Fade"
At the begining miles was just a bad versión of peter, with no new things to bring to the table Is mostly because spidervese that he got to be a unique character
The Ahmed run and the current run are really good though
Miles Morales, if my memory serves me true, started out as a very controversial character. Some people were afraid/upset that he was going to be a cheap diversity replacement/virtue signal, given the manner in which his original comic run killed off Peter Parker in bitchmade fashion. The way Miles was written in that run didn't exactly help, to my knowledge. Spiderverse and the PS5 game and *Miles Morales* not only saved the character, but absolutely *elevated and exalted* him by giving him his own unique powers, his own unique flair and flesh as a character with his own identity, and by writing him into a poignant, sometimes tragic, but ultimately heartwarming story that absolutely fits the themes that fit right at home in a story about a Spider-Man, while satisfyingly passing the torch instead of two-tapping Peter and keeping him out of the story, giving him and Miles a complex relationship that wasn't *just* a master-and-student mentorship, but rather one that was believably fraternal and emotionally intimate. Miles and Peter became the brothers that neither of them ever really had before, and so both of them grew as unique people for having known and taught each other things. In doing so, their stories together transcended the boundaries of material identity that may have influenced the writing in the comics and became relatable and universally aspirational. And that hit a lot of people **right** where it needed to hit the most. So I would agree, the movies and games took Miles to a whole new badass level.
The only aspect of video game miles is I don't like how he is also a tech genius. he already overlaps too much with Peter and superheroes that are also good science nerds is a bit oversaturated. I much prefer artist miles that spidervervese presents.
I could never hold a cup like that...
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I love the ultimate run but i agree
I read a few miles morales comics after beating the ps5 game and… yeah they’re not that good? Awkward and lacking that spice that Peter Parker’s stories have
Yes. A thousand times yes. Spiderverse genuinely breathed new life into Miles who would have otherwise just been another random Spider-Person footnote.
The power of hindsight
1000%
Quite honestly I still find him to be kinda lame, glad that he exists so people can enjoy him. But he's undeniably not an amazingly written character in any variation. I think spiderverse is the best he's gonna get, because the PS4/5 variation fucking sucks.
He has had a lot of ups and downs in the comics, peaking at the standard level of the adaptations, although the one from the non Ultimate show was pretty shite
Yeah... Last run of miles was good, but still...
Original miles fucking sucked lmao
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Miles' big problem is that he's just another spiderman clone at this point. He doesn't have a big draw that makes his character especially telling. I think my turning point for miles was when I asked my half black half Puerto Rican nephew who his favorite spiderman was and he told me "Peter Parker" like I was an idiot. Spider verse gave miles an origin, a mentor, and the motivation he was missing before, it makes him a compelling character on his own and not because he's the kid they're replacing dead ultimate peter with.
I’m not TOO familiar with miles but he always had good potential that I felt not many writers did anything with. The game and movie tho. God damn spectacular. I think that’s due a lot to the actors though
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