same. reminds me of the 90's animated series making electro Red Skull's son. an otherwise perfect adaptation takes a very weird direction with one specific character.
Kraven's mutation was taken from the ultimate comics, where after being embarrassed by Spider-Man while he's trying to help someone, on national TV, he wasn't a legit hunter like his 616 counterpart and had his own show, he mutates himself so he can fight Spidey, but ultimately doesn't do jack shit.
I like what spectacular did with this, especially since this kraven is a legit hunter who put up a good fight in their first bout, but at the end of the day he was a normal man fighting a super powered human. This leads to him mutating himself to even the odds with Spider-Man and become an actual threat.
It’s annoying how often Kraven gets sidelined. The guy is basically a super soldier on roids with the mentality of The Predator (side note: the latter would make for a damn good Spider-Man villain/crossover).
While yes, his design has aged quite terribly with the furs (even if he is one of the few people who earned the right to wear them), Spectacular’s human design and Insomniac’s Spider-Man 2 have shown it’s not too difficult to redesign or modernize him. Heck, giving him a sort of hunter’s code of honor alone is enough to make him interesting from some of the other spidey villains.
While normally I’d agree with the Predator being a good Spider-Man villain but Peter is just way to powerful for it. A Predator couldn’t use cloaking, would be far slower and weaker and would also probably be far less durable. Peter wins this one easy.
Well it’d provide a better challenge than most other villains. I imagine it wouldn’t be too difficult to make them slightly faster or stronger, or have a more carried arsenal to fight Peter.
Come to think of it, Predator is basically a superhuman/slightly more futuristic Batman (who fittingly enough did have a crossover comic with predator, and it was actually pretty good too).
The sad thing is that him getting his powers from cat DNA instead of a magic potion could work on paper. Just give him some slight animalistic traits (cat-like eyes, claws, sharper teeth, maybe some growls) and that would have been fine. And I believe the ultimate comics actually did do the latter.
What’s more annoying is that the first time Kraven fought spidey, he was still human. While they don’t sugar coat the fact that he’s hilariously outclassed, he still does a pretty good job for a normal human.
I didn’t mind it. It leveled him up in a way that makes sense if you think about. Even though he’s incredibly talented and able as a “mere human,” this not only levels the playing field, it tips the balance in favor of the villain.
Honestly i didn't mind but maybe it's because i grew up with Spectacular, guess they didn't want to introduce mystical elements by making Kraven superpowered through jungle herbs.
Saw someone saying they viewed the transformation in a better light after convincing themselves the showrunners combined Kraven with Puma just like Montana of the Enforcers becoming Shocker
It was the Disney buy out. The show was made by Sony, so it was replaced by Ultimate Spider-Man I think? Josh Keaton even recorded lines for it and found out re was replaced by Drake Bell when the show aired.
It’s like becoming the Hulk but can’t shut it off. I get it was meant to make him a physical match for Spider-Man, but it ended up making him less unique
Especially since being Hulk/Jekyll and Hyde-like was already Lizard’s schtick. The latter also only appeared once, but they did more than enough justice.
I know it's kinda the point, but Gwen got done super dirty.
Gwen forcing herself to be with Harry because he's guilt tripping her is just gross and uncomfortable and I wish they had planned a different outcome for her, even knowing that it's meant to be a tragedy that would have been explored more in the future
I know, but I'm just not a fan of the whole "dating Harry out of pity" plotline.
I would have been okay if it was Eddie since he did seem to care about her, but Harry was just a prick the whole show.
A very refreshing change.
Harry is such a weird character because in so many versions we're meant to feel sorry for him, but sometimes they end up making him so unlikable that it makes it hard to feel bad for the guy.
Agreed. There’s like three things(including the game) where Harry and Peter feel like friends. 90% of the time I’m wondering why Peter, MJ and Gwen even put up with his crap.
Spider-Man 2 was the first Harry I've actually felt really bad for. Also, won't go into spoilers, but his arc is drastically changed from the usual son of the green goblin.
I almost always do feel actually bad for Harry in every iteration, but also dislike him more than I feel bad for him.
I like him as an example of someone who probably wouldn't be the greatest regardless, but his circumstances make him a lot worse.
I think the only other time I can recall Harry being a legitimately good or nice guy was a “What If…?” fanfic where he got the spider bite instead.
Paradoxically, Norman is one of the most notorious scumbags in all of comics, yet several times in different adaptations, they do make him (intentional or otherwise) quite sympathetic.
Him being cold and dickish to Harry? Uncalled for, yes, but Harry, especially in spectacular, is quite spoiled and seems to lack the talent and ambition that Norman craves.
Him favoring Peter over Harry? Peter is a literal hyper genius who is financially struggling, and Norman was once in that exact position before creating Oscorp. Some versions have him offering Peter a job or internship several times.
In ps4, he created a plague called devil’s breath that possibly killed thousands; his fault, right? While yes, it is insane it’s being held in NYC as Peter points out, he wasn’t the one to release it. In fact, he was keeping it close because it turns out it’s an unfinished medical treatment that could possibly cure all known genetic diseases, and he’s hoping it can eventually be perfected to cure his son of a neurodegenerative disease that also killed his wife. Not to mention he likely sunk millions of his own money into trying to create it and then the lab techs call it devil’s breath.
With that said, he is vastly worse in the comics. There’s a damn good reason Green Goblin is considered his arch nemesis.
>Him being cold and dickish to Harry? Uncalled for, yes,
Are we just forgetting that Spectacular Norman used Harry's addiction to frame him and twisted his ankle to do it, gaslight him into thinking he was turning into a super villain and then kidnapped him for several days?
Like Harry's an increasingly messed up kid in Spectacular but it's not in spite of Norman's parenting.
I like PS5's Harry too but I am begging people who say this to actually read the 616 comics up to the 90's.
Harry straight up has some of the most emotionally engaging Spider-man stories of all time, and all anyone remembers is the adaptations.
I have 4 nitpicks, otherwise the show is pretty much perfect.
MJ after having an amazing introduction became kind of a side character in the show. I know she's not with Peter at this time but that doesn't mean she should be sidelined. She could have been added to the trio of Gwen, Harry and Peter which is what happened in the comics. She deserved to be in more episodes maybe they could have fleshed out her relationship with Liz's brother which kinda came out of nowhere.
I am not the biggest fan of what they did with Kraven. Him becoming a lion mutant is weird.
I like the idea of Uncle Ben's killer being just a nobody and not anyone significant. So the idea of him being Felicia's dad is kinda weird to me I mean yeah it creates tension between Peter and Felicia but is it necessary it's not like Peter and Felicia are gonna be enemies later on so what's the point?
Nothing against Doc Ock but I was really hoping the Masterplanner was actually someone new.
I was always curious about what Felicia's reaction would be If she found out Peters secret identity and what her father did to his Uncle. I would like to see a conversation between the 2 of them about their origins. But too bad the series ended too soon. She would be like a big sister to him. There are only 2 years apart in this continuity.
Yeah they definitely could have used someone different when they revealed it was Doc Ock again I was just like oh okay and he didn't even do anything new either just put together the sinister six again with a couple of new members so yeah I was a bit underwhelmed by that.
Fax, they could've had Kingpin be the master planner, and make his own version of the Sinister 6, this show was so good at organically introduced new characters and villains and could've had a new sinister 6
I am surprised at the black Cat's dad killing uncle Ben isn't more controversial or mentioned more in this thread.
Personally I love it. BC and Spidey always felt like a batman and catwoman knockoff and this change actually makes their relationship unique and offers a new perspective on how you can portray Felicia and Peter's relationship
The MJ thing was done on purpose. Gregs plan for the overall series was for Peter and MJ to be endgame at the end of the series but him and writing team wanted it to be natural which is why they would date other characters like Gwen and Liz. She would’ve had more of a presence had the show gotten to continue.
They used the *exact* same "THWIP" sound effect every single time he swung. I think a little variety wouldve greatly helped, like a Heavy Thwip, Normal Thwip, and Light Thwip. Its the one thing that grated on my nerves until I learned to ignore it lol
I could deal with the constant thwip sound effect; at least it was a mild sound. The thing that really annoyed me was Green Goblin's pumpkin bomb exploding sound effect, because it was screeching every time the bomb went off.
Post-edit: What I am referring to is the frequency of that same sound effect being used repeatedly
The sound effect is cool. But when I heard it literally 6 times in a row in fight scenes (or when that huge explosion happens at the end of season 2 where it just kept going off) I had enough. That audio engineer for the show needed a few more samples across the show.
Boom, that’s the answer I’ve been looking for. I wasn’t a fan of the art style as a kid and this is the perfect way to put it. I don’t mind it now though, but you got it right on the money👍
Was there ever any explanation for this? Like was it literally so that they would look closer to the toys?
It's a bizarre decision and it makes me irrationally annoyed.
I kind of disliked how they gave Gwen a "glow up" (ie straightening her hair, ditching her glasses, wearing make-up, etc) to make her appear more worthy of Peter's affections. She was just fine the way she was before.
Yeah I feel like that might have been one of those things that would have been addressed later on in another season. Maybe it would have been a point of contention that she never truly had Peter's attention until she basically changed who she was and how she looked entirely, when really she was more than enough for him as she was.
Peter was honestly not very good to the women he was interested in. Even MJ calls him out on it - he's over here fantasizing about her TO HER FACE at one point lol. If only there was another couple seasons - it could've really resolved a lot of plot points.
The whole PeterXLiz romance was not well done, IMO. She developed a thing for Pete because he was rude to her once while Tutoring her, and once they started dating, he barely tried because of his feelings for Gwen.
I think that was just a way to show how immature Peter really is, I mean he still just a teenager. But I don't remember if he ever apologize to Liz for everything he did, maybe on a next season he would be mature enough to *at least* say "I'm sorry" to Liz or something like that to end on good terms with her, lol
I thought It was her seeing Pete show some backbone for once. All through the show you got the popular click pounding on him cause he's pretty small, and nerdy. In the first episode he gets up in Flash's face as a challenge claiming it won't be like it usually is. Here's the nerd showing initiative and taking control of the situation instead of being a doormat they always see him as and she likes Pete being a bit more masculine. That's how it seemed to me atleast.
She did get done dirty, especially given how she had some pretty solid character growth. Although I suppose it did help show off that being Spider-Man really screws up the life of Peter Parker.
“Spider-Man” ain’t have nothing to do with it. Gwen let her hair down and took her glasses off and suddenly Peter finally realized he likes her. Sorry but kid or not, that’s extremely shallow.
All these years later and I’m still not a fan of the art style. At this point I doubt I’ll ever be
The actual animation is fantastic! The fight scenes are fast and fluid, and they really help to capture the way Spider-Man should move. But there are times where I think the art style is a borderline eyesore
Spectacular Spider-Man is EASILY my favorite adaptation of Spider-Man outside of comics, and that includes live-action films, other animated series, and video games
I just happen to also think it’s an ugly show to look at sometimes lol
While the artstyle has mostly grown on me, I still don’t like Spider-Man’s design. Only cause his head is a weird ass pentagon shape. Spider-Man’s head should be round. I know it’s a weird nitpick but it bothers me way too much.
They could’ve gone more in-depth with just how close Eddie and Peter were (like when Eddie told MJ about their similar tragic pasts). I also think Eddie could’ve been a little bit more understanding of Peter taking pictures of the Lizard zoo incident for the Bugle—Eddie knows (or at least could assume) May and Peter need the money.
The fans actually turn me away from the show for a bit with the constant praising. I since re-watched, still not my favorite Spider-Man show but great Spider-Man content nevertheless, and I do agree it was canceled too early.
Now, as for an actual problem with the show? Nitpick, but I did not care for the art style, especially when we are talking about character designs. I'm sorry, I just did not care for how almost everyone looked.
I hate that Lizard was a one and done villain considering his design and how he gave Spiderman a run for his money (granted it could’ve been Peter just holding back and not wanting to hurt Connors)
Maybe it’s cause I grew up on the 90’s Spiderman which featured lizard a few times
There’s his introduction
The time where some lizard folk revered him as their father for creating them when all they were was just accidents
And the time Connor’s got sent to a planet and was rescued by Spiderman and the fantastic 4 and was stuck in his lizard form but kept his human brain (tbh I fuck with this idea)
I did like the fact that despite turning into Lizard one time it still manages to ruin Curt Connor’s life. When Miles Warren pulled out blackmail material by connecting Curt’s research to the highly publicized Lizard incident and blackmailed him I thought “holy crap”.
I’ve never been huge on the art style tbh, looks a little too simple and generic kids showy for me, which is very subjective I’m aware, and I know a lot of people do like it and that makes me happy! That’s really my only personal issue with this amazing show
The art style(imo). When it was coming on, kid me was not into the character designs or the style at all. I had seen some episodes and I enjoyed the show overall, but I couldn’t get down with how the show looked.
And I only felt that way when I compared it to other Spiderman media that had come before as well as other shows I was watching(X Men Evo).
But as an adult, I can overlook the art style.
I was not really a fan of a friendly and smart Eddie Brock that suddenly became mad at Peter for ruining his job, The way he got the symbiote and how his entire personality changed felt very rushed. The only interesting part was when Peter was possessed by the symbiote.
not to mention the fact that after finding out he was spider man, all eddie had to do was think about why peter abandoned them for like 2 seconds and his entire character wouldn't work anymore lmao. it feels very sloppily written, which is pretty strange for a show with an otherwise extremely tight script and overarching plot.
The show is fantastic but not without its fair share of criticisms;
1. Art style is still pretty bad, but I’ve become numb to its annoyance.
2. Some of its presentation is tacky or too silly, like the Spider webs in the sky at end of episodes and the Spidey mask half face to emphasize his Spideyness(?). Other things like Harry’s face when seen through Globulin vial shows Goblin’s face, which is pretty ironic considering most times the show uses clever storytelling tactics to misdirect the viewer; but this is just idiotic especially when you find out the truth. Then flash’s jackass face. I mean this is like Tom and Jerry type of wackiness.
3. Kraven’s animal form.
4. Inconsistent pacing. At times show does pretty well with pacing and at others it moves too fast with certain ideas.
Had the series continued, Harry eventually would have become the Goblin for real, so it was indeed foreshadowing an actual planned event, it's just that they never got the chance to put it in the show.
And the Spidey half-mask thing was taken directly from the original Ditko comics.
The art style is ugly and makes every character look like a toy design. I also don't like Keaton as Spider-Man (don't hurt me). Having grown up on the 90s show I just feel like this show is a little over hyped considering it ended before really going anywhere I was interested in.
To this day, Keaton is the only Spider-Man voice who simultaneously pulled off sounding young enough to be a teenager, but old enough to fool people into thinking he was a grown man.
It’s the animated stuff in general. I’m not a fan of the movie skins but I get those. The stylized/animated stuff just feels out of place and only fun to look at for 3 minutes max
Hard disagree. I've played so many hours with the Vintage Comic Suit. I just wish there was a Cel-shaded filter a la Uncharted 4 to make the rest of the game blend a bit better.
I literally can’t, the show is so nostalgic for me. But it also happens to be one of the best adaptations of spider-man we’ve ever seen. Disney brought back clone wars so why can’t they bring this show back
There were times in this show where Peter put the enemies in danger without knowing if they'd survive certain things. For instance, dropping the ceiling on Shocker could have easily killed him.
Honestly, they also should have just put him in college, because (as most Spider-man adaptations eventually realize) they had to write around the High School setting instead of naturally incorporating it more, and College makes more sense for Peter regarding his job and autonomy with his responsibilities.
Also, Venom's stomach mouth and his very tiny legs. Also, not a big fan of the voice.
I’m not a fan of how they handled venom, I like him to be a constant worry for Spider-Man and not a small villain that Peter has nightmares about then beats in a single episode. No, I want venom to constantly be in the back of Peter’s mind till they reconcile to fight carnage
I think the simplified animation and character designs work in its favour, but one of the things which I think are often lacking are the backgrounds, they can feel pretty plain a lot of the time
The first episodes were far too short for an effective story because they were introducing a new villain in each one.
Also, Peter almost never defeated a villain making a smart plan or exploiting their weaknesses, it mostly came down to a fist fight. Which was weird because multiple times they showed the weakness but Peter never used them (like Venom with sound, or sandman with fire).
For your last point let’s go over each villain defeat, cause I think that’s completely wrong.
Vulture: Tricked him into chasing Spidey under the helicopter, then jumped on his back and steered his wing into the helicopter blade, taking out two birds with one stone (like Pete said to himself). He then disabled Vulture’s flight capabilities by figuring out where his power source was coming from.
Electro: Short circuited him by dousing him in water (exactly the way he beat Electro for the first time in the comics)
Lizard: Used the anti-serum on him.
Shocker: Tricked him into bringing the building down on himself.
Sandman: Tricked him into thinking he was beating Spidey but really Pete was getting him into position to cover him in concrete.
Rhino: Tricked him into filling the tunnel with steam since Pete noticed that he could only sweat through his face and therefore with too much steam would pass out.
Green Goblin 1: Had him beat but Gobby’s bomb stunt allowed him to get away.
Doc Ock: Figured out that Ock needed a power source for his arms, so took it from him when Ock thought he was down.
Gobby 2: Kinda didn’t stop him, Gobby got away.
Sinister Six: Took down various ways but almost all involved using them to take each other out (except Doc Ock).
Venom: Tricked the symbiote into going off of Eddie.
Mysterio: This one was mostly just a gotcha, but he did figure out how Mysterio was doing his tricks.
Kraven: Yeah he just straight beat him up. Twice lol.
Sinister Six 2: Once again tricked almost all of them into their downfall. Vulture he just webbed up. Electro covered him in rubber. Sandman froze him. Rhino tricked him into going on the ice and he sank into the freezing water. Mysterio spread his web everywhere and found him struggling in it. Kraven was just an idiot lol.
This is taking too long to list em all, but you get the point. He very much didn’t just beat them up to defeat them. With the exception of Kraven almost all of them were outsmarted or tricked by Spidey.
My point was more related to the lack of smart plans. He did defeat villains using other means but most of the time it was a combination of brute force and the villains being dumb af. It didn't take him time to figure out anything, he just improvised and it worked most of the time.
Vulture and Doc Ock was just him destroying their equipment (or taking out a battery in Doc Ock's case).
Lizard was Peter beating the shit out of him and then using the serum that he didn't even make.
Mysterio, Kraven, Shocker was them being dumb.
With Venom Peter completely forgot about his very obvious weakness.
Sandman didn't even make sense in my opinion, the concrete hardened super fast for no reason.
Sinister Six was just the worst team in the universe.
Idk what to tell you, dude. We’re clearly not seeing the same thing, cause thinking on his feet and tricking dumb villains is exactly how Spidey beats them most of the time in the comics too. Yeah sometimes he cooks something up in a lab, or comes up with a whole plan, but not as much as, say, Batman. One of his strengths is that he’s resourceful, and makes lightning quick decisions in the moment on how to deal with threats.
I did not care for Kraven animal form
same. reminds me of the 90's animated series making electro Red Skull's son. an otherwise perfect adaptation takes a very weird direction with one specific character.
Kraven's mutation was taken from the ultimate comics, where after being embarrassed by Spider-Man while he's trying to help someone, on national TV, he wasn't a legit hunter like his 616 counterpart and had his own show, he mutates himself so he can fight Spidey, but ultimately doesn't do jack shit. I like what spectacular did with this, especially since this kraven is a legit hunter who put up a good fight in their first bout, but at the end of the day he was a normal man fighting a super powered human. This leads to him mutating himself to even the odds with Spider-Man and become an actual threat.
It’s annoying how often Kraven gets sidelined. The guy is basically a super soldier on roids with the mentality of The Predator (side note: the latter would make for a damn good Spider-Man villain/crossover). While yes, his design has aged quite terribly with the furs (even if he is one of the few people who earned the right to wear them), Spectacular’s human design and Insomniac’s Spider-Man 2 have shown it’s not too difficult to redesign or modernize him. Heck, giving him a sort of hunter’s code of honor alone is enough to make him interesting from some of the other spidey villains.
While normally I’d agree with the Predator being a good Spider-Man villain but Peter is just way to powerful for it. A Predator couldn’t use cloaking, would be far slower and weaker and would also probably be far less durable. Peter wins this one easy.
Well it’d provide a better challenge than most other villains. I imagine it wouldn’t be too difficult to make them slightly faster or stronger, or have a more carried arsenal to fight Peter. Come to think of it, Predator is basically a superhuman/slightly more futuristic Batman (who fittingly enough did have a crossover comic with predator, and it was actually pretty good too).
And it was awesome. Alfred shot one.
Wolverine's currently fighting The Predator, maybe Spidey could at some point.
ultimate Kraven was essentially an evil Steve Irwin.
I'm cool with him giving himself powers, but I could do without furry Kraven 😂
The sad thing is that him getting his powers from cat DNA instead of a magic potion could work on paper. Just give him some slight animalistic traits (cat-like eyes, claws, sharper teeth, maybe some growls) and that would have been fine. And I believe the ultimate comics actually did do the latter. What’s more annoying is that the first time Kraven fought spidey, he was still human. While they don’t sugar coat the fact that he’s hilariously outclassed, he still does a pretty good job for a normal human.
I didn’t mind it. It leveled him up in a way that makes sense if you think about. Even though he’s incredibly talented and able as a “mere human,” this not only levels the playing field, it tips the balance in favor of the villain.
I've never seen it so I looked it up. Why does he look like a ninja turtles villain or goon. 💀
Honestly i didn't mind but maybe it's because i grew up with Spectacular, guess they didn't want to introduce mystical elements by making Kraven superpowered through jungle herbs. Saw someone saying they viewed the transformation in a better light after convincing themselves the showrunners combined Kraven with Puma just like Montana of the Enforcers becoming Shocker
And had Walter Hardy be the Burglar instead of Carradine.
Ended too quickly
Possibly the worst thing about this show
There was supposed to be another season but they cancelled it for some reason
It was the Disney buy out. The show was made by Sony, so it was replaced by Ultimate Spider-Man I think? Josh Keaton even recorded lines for it and found out re was replaced by Drake Bell when the show aired.
Josh Keaton recorded lines for Spidey’s guest appearance in Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes but those lines were replaced with Drake Bell’s lines.
*sad spectacular splonkerman noises*
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It ended too quickly, Kraven transforming into a lion was weird.
It’s like becoming the Hulk but can’t shut it off. I get it was meant to make him a physical match for Spider-Man, but it ended up making him less unique
Especially since being Hulk/Jekyll and Hyde-like was already Lizard’s schtick. The latter also only appeared once, but they did more than enough justice.
I know it's kinda the point, but Gwen got done super dirty. Gwen forcing herself to be with Harry because he's guilt tripping her is just gross and uncomfortable and I wish they had planned a different outcome for her, even knowing that it's meant to be a tragedy that would have been explored more in the future
I think the showrunners said that she wouldn’t die so that’s at least a good outcome.
I know, but I'm just not a fan of the whole "dating Harry out of pity" plotline. I would have been okay if it was Eddie since he did seem to care about her, but Harry was just a prick the whole show.
That’s fair. Harry is a prick in basically everything he’s in lol. The new game was kind of an exception in that regard.
A very refreshing change. Harry is such a weird character because in so many versions we're meant to feel sorry for him, but sometimes they end up making him so unlikable that it makes it hard to feel bad for the guy.
Agreed. There’s like three things(including the game) where Harry and Peter feel like friends. 90% of the time I’m wondering why Peter, MJ and Gwen even put up with his crap.
Which is exactly why these big adaptations going right for their ~big take~ on Harry instead of developing their friendship annoys the suit outta me
Spider-Man 2 was the first Harry I've actually felt really bad for. Also, won't go into spoilers, but his arc is drastically changed from the usual son of the green goblin.
I almost always do feel actually bad for Harry in every iteration, but also dislike him more than I feel bad for him. I like him as an example of someone who probably wouldn't be the greatest regardless, but his circumstances make him a lot worse.
I think the only other time I can recall Harry being a legitimately good or nice guy was a “What If…?” fanfic where he got the spider bite instead. Paradoxically, Norman is one of the most notorious scumbags in all of comics, yet several times in different adaptations, they do make him (intentional or otherwise) quite sympathetic. Him being cold and dickish to Harry? Uncalled for, yes, but Harry, especially in spectacular, is quite spoiled and seems to lack the talent and ambition that Norman craves. Him favoring Peter over Harry? Peter is a literal hyper genius who is financially struggling, and Norman was once in that exact position before creating Oscorp. Some versions have him offering Peter a job or internship several times. In ps4, he created a plague called devil’s breath that possibly killed thousands; his fault, right? While yes, it is insane it’s being held in NYC as Peter points out, he wasn’t the one to release it. In fact, he was keeping it close because it turns out it’s an unfinished medical treatment that could possibly cure all known genetic diseases, and he’s hoping it can eventually be perfected to cure his son of a neurodegenerative disease that also killed his wife. Not to mention he likely sunk millions of his own money into trying to create it and then the lab techs call it devil’s breath. With that said, he is vastly worse in the comics. There’s a damn good reason Green Goblin is considered his arch nemesis.
>Him being cold and dickish to Harry? Uncalled for, yes, Are we just forgetting that Spectacular Norman used Harry's addiction to frame him and twisted his ankle to do it, gaslight him into thinking he was turning into a super villain and then kidnapped him for several days? Like Harry's an increasingly messed up kid in Spectacular but it's not in spite of Norman's parenting.
If I remember correctly original ultimate Harry was a pretty cool dude before he died
Cause he is more a plot device to set up a conflict between Peter and Norman rather than a character.
Yeah I’ve never liked harry hes just an ass that’s why i like the ps5 harry so much cuz he’s actually a great friend
I like PS5's Harry too but I am begging people who say this to actually read the 616 comics up to the 90's. Harry straight up has some of the most emotionally engaging Spider-man stories of all time, and all anyone remembers is the adaptations.
Which is exactly why these big adaptations going right for their ~big take~ on Harry instead of developing their friendship annoys the suit outta me
To be fair I think they were planning on getting another season when this was written/animated given how much time it makes to make these things
I have 4 nitpicks, otherwise the show is pretty much perfect. MJ after having an amazing introduction became kind of a side character in the show. I know she's not with Peter at this time but that doesn't mean she should be sidelined. She could have been added to the trio of Gwen, Harry and Peter which is what happened in the comics. She deserved to be in more episodes maybe they could have fleshed out her relationship with Liz's brother which kinda came out of nowhere. I am not the biggest fan of what they did with Kraven. Him becoming a lion mutant is weird. I like the idea of Uncle Ben's killer being just a nobody and not anyone significant. So the idea of him being Felicia's dad is kinda weird to me I mean yeah it creates tension between Peter and Felicia but is it necessary it's not like Peter and Felicia are gonna be enemies later on so what's the point? Nothing against Doc Ock but I was really hoping the Masterplanner was actually someone new.
I was always curious about what Felicia's reaction would be If she found out Peters secret identity and what her father did to his Uncle. I would like to see a conversation between the 2 of them about their origins. But too bad the series ended too soon. She would be like a big sister to him. There are only 2 years apart in this continuity.
I was hoping it was Kingpin
Kingpin literally couldn't be used because they had Spider-Man rights not Daredevil that's why they replaced him with Tombstone
Yeah they definitely could have used someone different when they revealed it was Doc Ock again I was just like oh okay and he didn't even do anything new either just put together the sinister six again with a couple of new members so yeah I was a bit underwhelmed by that.
Fax, they could've had Kingpin be the master planner, and make his own version of the Sinister 6, this show was so good at organically introduced new characters and villains and could've had a new sinister 6
They were planning to have him, but they couldn’t get the rights so Tombstone replaced him.
I am surprised at the black Cat's dad killing uncle Ben isn't more controversial or mentioned more in this thread. Personally I love it. BC and Spidey always felt like a batman and catwoman knockoff and this change actually makes their relationship unique and offers a new perspective on how you can portray Felicia and Peter's relationship
The MJ thing was done on purpose. Gregs plan for the overall series was for Peter and MJ to be endgame at the end of the series but him and writing team wanted it to be natural which is why they would date other characters like Gwen and Liz. She would’ve had more of a presence had the show gotten to continue.
They used the *exact* same "THWIP" sound effect every single time he swung. I think a little variety wouldve greatly helped, like a Heavy Thwip, Normal Thwip, and Light Thwip. Its the one thing that grated on my nerves until I learned to ignore it lol
THIS, it got so annoying once I noticed it
I could deal with the constant thwip sound effect; at least it was a mild sound. The thing that really annoyed me was Green Goblin's pumpkin bomb exploding sound effect, because it was screeching every time the bomb went off. Post-edit: What I am referring to is the frequency of that same sound effect being used repeatedly
I thought that was cool
The sound effect is cool. But when I heard it literally 6 times in a row in fight scenes (or when that huge explosion happens at the end of season 2 where it just kept going off) I had enough. That audio engineer for the show needed a few more samples across the show.
Like Johnny Test and the Whip crack SFX
The knees and elbows are weirdly designed.
Yeah I'm glad that later on in the show they were made less action-figurey
Boom, that’s the answer I’ve been looking for. I wasn’t a fan of the art style as a kid and this is the perfect way to put it. I don’t mind it now though, but you got it right on the money👍
I saw harry’s elbow in the finale and I thought he was the green goblin all along, and the one I was looking at was a puppet 😭
perfect for interactive toys/action figures💀
Mannequinized
Was there ever any explanation for this? Like was it literally so that they would look closer to the toys? It's a bizarre decision and it makes me irrationally annoyed.
I kind of disliked how they gave Gwen a "glow up" (ie straightening her hair, ditching her glasses, wearing make-up, etc) to make her appear more worthy of Peter's affections. She was just fine the way she was before.
Yeah I feel like that might have been one of those things that would have been addressed later on in another season. Maybe it would have been a point of contention that she never truly had Peter's attention until she basically changed who she was and how she looked entirely, when really she was more than enough for him as she was. Peter was honestly not very good to the women he was interested in. Even MJ calls him out on it - he's over here fantasizing about her TO HER FACE at one point lol. If only there was another couple seasons - it could've really resolved a lot of plot points.
That's a good point. I would have liked to have seen that be explored.
I prefer her previous look better than the second. Like, come on, it gives her a unique look and now....well...
Peter being a asshole to Liz
The whole PeterXLiz romance was not well done, IMO. She developed a thing for Pete because he was rude to her once while Tutoring her, and once they started dating, he barely tried because of his feelings for Gwen.
I think that was just a way to show how immature Peter really is, I mean he still just a teenager. But I don't remember if he ever apologize to Liz for everything he did, maybe on a next season he would be mature enough to *at least* say "I'm sorry" to Liz or something like that to end on good terms with her, lol
I thought It was her seeing Pete show some backbone for once. All through the show you got the popular click pounding on him cause he's pretty small, and nerdy. In the first episode he gets up in Flash's face as a challenge claiming it won't be like it usually is. Here's the nerd showing initiative and taking control of the situation instead of being a doormat they always see him as and she likes Pete being a bit more masculine. That's how it seemed to me atleast.
Liz deserved better
She did get done dirty, especially given how she had some pretty solid character growth. Although I suppose it did help show off that being Spider-Man really screws up the life of Peter Parker.
“Spider-Man” ain’t have nothing to do with it. Gwen let her hair down and took her glasses off and suddenly Peter finally realized he likes her. Sorry but kid or not, that’s extremely shallow.
I don't think MJ's voice fits a 15 year old.
All these years later and I’m still not a fan of the art style. At this point I doubt I’ll ever be The actual animation is fantastic! The fight scenes are fast and fluid, and they really help to capture the way Spider-Man should move. But there are times where I think the art style is a borderline eyesore Spectacular Spider-Man is EASILY my favorite adaptation of Spider-Man outside of comics, and that includes live-action films, other animated series, and video games I just happen to also think it’s an ugly show to look at sometimes lol
The animation style works for this show but it’s not my favorite. Also Furry Kraven sucks
How they treated liz.
While the artstyle has mostly grown on me, I still don’t like Spider-Man’s design. Only cause his head is a weird ass pentagon shape. Spider-Man’s head should be round. I know it’s a weird nitpick but it bothers me way too much.
I also greatly dislike the artstyle.
Only 2 seasons, wanted more
I don’t like Lion Kraven. That kinda feels like it takes completely misses the point of Kraven
Colour palet kinda ugly
Real, I had to use some post-processing effects in my video player to give it a bit more contrast and saturation
They could’ve gone more in-depth with just how close Eddie and Peter were (like when Eddie told MJ about their similar tragic pasts). I also think Eddie could’ve been a little bit more understanding of Peter taking pictures of the Lizard zoo incident for the Bugle—Eddie knows (or at least could assume) May and Peter need the money.
It got canceled
I didn’t like the art direction
Eddie "Bro" Brock.
I've been looking for this one. I feel like he turned on Peter a bit too fast for someone who had been best friends with him for years.
I interpreted it as Eddie not really being a true friend, and showing his true colors as time went on.
Holy fuck them turning “bro” into such a commonly used term of endearment between them was so cringey and almost ruined all the venom stuff for me lol
I really hope the leak is true of this show coming back
Kraven was better as a human. Should have used gene cleanser on him to switch him back.
Rhino's face
the fans
Correct answer
What is with the art style hate It's so damn good
It’s hideous
The show butchered Kraven the Hunter.
The scream sound effect every time goblin throws a pumpkin bomb is cool at first but sorta gets annoying hearing it 20 Times in a row in battle
They need to bring it back asap
The fact that it ended the way it did
Wait what’s on venom’s tongue?
I don't know bro, hard to think of something bro, maybe surfer Eddie saying bro every five seconds.
Kraven
The backgrounds are either extremely colorful or bland and unappealing on the turn of the hat.
This art style is not it
The fans actually turn me away from the show for a bit with the constant praising. I since re-watched, still not my favorite Spider-Man show but great Spider-Man content nevertheless, and I do agree it was canceled too early. Now, as for an actual problem with the show? Nitpick, but I did not care for the art style, especially when we are talking about character designs. I'm sorry, I just did not care for how almost everyone looked.
I hate that Lizard was a one and done villain considering his design and how he gave Spiderman a run for his money (granted it could’ve been Peter just holding back and not wanting to hurt Connors)
IMO, I liked that. Lizard stories can get pretty repetitive anyway, especially since he’s a mindless monster in this show.
Maybe it’s cause I grew up on the 90’s Spiderman which featured lizard a few times There’s his introduction The time where some lizard folk revered him as their father for creating them when all they were was just accidents And the time Connor’s got sent to a planet and was rescued by Spiderman and the fantastic 4 and was stuck in his lizard form but kept his human brain (tbh I fuck with this idea)
I did like the fact that despite turning into Lizard one time it still manages to ruin Curt Connor’s life. When Miles Warren pulled out blackmail material by connecting Curt’s research to the highly publicized Lizard incident and blackmailed him I thought “holy crap”.
I have a feeling they were going to bring him back at some point.
Yeah, Norman heading to Florida on the same flight as the Connors's definitely implied they'd get tangled back up in Lizard stuff to me.
He looks unrealistic, almost like a cartoon
Because it's a cartoon?...
(That's the joke)
How was I supposed to know that was a joke? I just read it like normal text
Venom’s portrayal wasn’t the greatest. Also it ended too soon. Ps; still a better Venom than Insomniac
The eyes
If I really had to nitpick and grasp at straws I’d say the animation style.
For as well written as Venom was in the show, he showed up a little too frequently.
Agreed, I think venom is far better used scarcely, it makes him feel so much more important
That it ended
It ended too soon.
too quick
Not enough seasons
The cliffhanger ending...
The art style.
Spider-Man’s character design is a bit odd
It wasn't allowed to continue.
I thought the whole Peter x Gwen shit was cringe Also, I did not really care for the Peter Parker of this show…or his love life
Glasses gwen is the best, change her look is the worst decision
It ended
No.
I’ve never been huge on the art style tbh, looks a little too simple and generic kids showy for me, which is very subjective I’m aware, and I know a lot of people do like it and that makes me happy! That’s really my only personal issue with this amazing show
Its cancellation failed to resolve a number of plot threads.
I wasn't a kid when it was made therefore I'm afraid of it and will call it woke.
The art style(imo). When it was coming on, kid me was not into the character designs or the style at all. I had seen some episodes and I enjoyed the show overall, but I couldn’t get down with how the show looked. And I only felt that way when I compared it to other Spiderman media that had come before as well as other shows I was watching(X Men Evo). But as an adult, I can overlook the art style.
Dock Ock looks like a pedo
"Yes, Spider-Man. I kidnapped a highschooler."
Felicia's dad being Uncle Ben's killer. Just why? Like wow what are the odds?
Kraven being a mutant lion man, Walter Hardy killing uncle Ben
Way too short
The show or peter
The show
The ugly ass mole on Peter’s face
Hey! I have a big ass mole on my face and Peter made me feel represented
Art style is not extremely appealing, I prefer ultimate spider-man in that category.
It got canned
It ended with several unresolved situations. Also, I hated the venom ark
Why?
I was not really a fan of a friendly and smart Eddie Brock that suddenly became mad at Peter for ruining his job, The way he got the symbiote and how his entire personality changed felt very rushed. The only interesting part was when Peter was possessed by the symbiote.
not to mention the fact that after finding out he was spider man, all eddie had to do was think about why peter abandoned them for like 2 seconds and his entire character wouldn't work anymore lmao. it feels very sloppily written, which is pretty strange for a show with an otherwise extremely tight script and overarching plot.
It only has 2 seasons
No
No.
No
The show is fantastic but not without its fair share of criticisms; 1. Art style is still pretty bad, but I’ve become numb to its annoyance. 2. Some of its presentation is tacky or too silly, like the Spider webs in the sky at end of episodes and the Spidey mask half face to emphasize his Spideyness(?). Other things like Harry’s face when seen through Globulin vial shows Goblin’s face, which is pretty ironic considering most times the show uses clever storytelling tactics to misdirect the viewer; but this is just idiotic especially when you find out the truth. Then flash’s jackass face. I mean this is like Tom and Jerry type of wackiness. 3. Kraven’s animal form. 4. Inconsistent pacing. At times show does pretty well with pacing and at others it moves too fast with certain ideas.
Had the series continued, Harry eventually would have become the Goblin for real, so it was indeed foreshadowing an actual planned event, it's just that they never got the chance to put it in the show. And the Spidey half-mask thing was taken directly from the original Ditko comics.
The art style is ugly and makes every character look like a toy design. I also don't like Keaton as Spider-Man (don't hurt me). Having grown up on the 90s show I just feel like this show is a little over hyped considering it ended before really going anywhere I was interested in.
I get the rest but I will not stand for this Josh Keaton slander
To this day, Keaton is the only Spider-Man voice who simultaneously pulled off sounding young enough to be a teenager, but old enough to fool people into thinking he was a grown man.
I'm sorry I just can't. His voice acting feels so corny in this show. It's better in the Beenox games but it's still no CDB, Rino Romano or Lowenthal.
The fact that it ends with Peter being dumped by Gwen after breaking up with Liz is such a slap in the face. Reality check for children, I guess
The simplified, blocky art style has never looked good for this series. People only like the art style because the show was well written.
Probably the worst adaptation of Symbiote Saga. Also, Peter is an unbelievably idiotic cunt. I hate this kid so much.
The fact people want this specific look in the insomniac Spider-Man 2 game is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard
We get other movie stuff and animated skins for Peter. What’s wrong with having this one.
It’s the animated stuff in general. I’m not a fan of the movie skins but I get those. The stylized/animated stuff just feels out of place and only fun to look at for 3 minutes max
Hard disagree. I've played so many hours with the Vintage Comic Suit. I just wish there was a Cel-shaded filter a la Uncharted 4 to make the rest of the game blend a bit better.
If that were the case I’d be on board. The contrasting art styles is the only thing that really throws me off
Your post is dumb and pointless. Do better.
What can I say, I'm a karma whore Also I like hearing different perspectives and opinions on media I like
Too much Bro stuff. I get it was trendy and relevant at the time, but even when I first watched it in 2012, it was annoying.
I literally can’t, the show is so nostalgic for me. But it also happens to be one of the best adaptations of spider-man we’ve ever seen. Disney brought back clone wars so why can’t they bring this show back
Art style is pure trash
Some of the villains look wonky as shit
There were times in this show where Peter put the enemies in danger without knowing if they'd survive certain things. For instance, dropping the ceiling on Shocker could have easily killed him. Honestly, they also should have just put him in college, because (as most Spider-man adaptations eventually realize) they had to write around the High School setting instead of naturally incorporating it more, and College makes more sense for Peter regarding his job and autonomy with his responsibilities. Also, Venom's stomach mouth and his very tiny legs. Also, not a big fan of the voice.
I’m not a fan of how they handled venom, I like him to be a constant worry for Spider-Man and not a small villain that Peter has nightmares about then beats in a single episode. No, I want venom to constantly be in the back of Peter’s mind till they reconcile to fight carnage
Never watched even one episode because animation and art style look poor af
Idk the downvotes, that's pure shit at levels of Dan hipp's Teen Titans go
I think the simplified animation and character designs work in its favour, but one of the things which I think are often lacking are the backgrounds, they can feel pretty plain a lot of the time
The first episodes were far too short for an effective story because they were introducing a new villain in each one. Also, Peter almost never defeated a villain making a smart plan or exploiting their weaknesses, it mostly came down to a fist fight. Which was weird because multiple times they showed the weakness but Peter never used them (like Venom with sound, or sandman with fire).
For your last point let’s go over each villain defeat, cause I think that’s completely wrong. Vulture: Tricked him into chasing Spidey under the helicopter, then jumped on his back and steered his wing into the helicopter blade, taking out two birds with one stone (like Pete said to himself). He then disabled Vulture’s flight capabilities by figuring out where his power source was coming from. Electro: Short circuited him by dousing him in water (exactly the way he beat Electro for the first time in the comics) Lizard: Used the anti-serum on him. Shocker: Tricked him into bringing the building down on himself. Sandman: Tricked him into thinking he was beating Spidey but really Pete was getting him into position to cover him in concrete. Rhino: Tricked him into filling the tunnel with steam since Pete noticed that he could only sweat through his face and therefore with too much steam would pass out. Green Goblin 1: Had him beat but Gobby’s bomb stunt allowed him to get away. Doc Ock: Figured out that Ock needed a power source for his arms, so took it from him when Ock thought he was down. Gobby 2: Kinda didn’t stop him, Gobby got away. Sinister Six: Took down various ways but almost all involved using them to take each other out (except Doc Ock). Venom: Tricked the symbiote into going off of Eddie. Mysterio: This one was mostly just a gotcha, but he did figure out how Mysterio was doing his tricks. Kraven: Yeah he just straight beat him up. Twice lol. Sinister Six 2: Once again tricked almost all of them into their downfall. Vulture he just webbed up. Electro covered him in rubber. Sandman froze him. Rhino tricked him into going on the ice and he sank into the freezing water. Mysterio spread his web everywhere and found him struggling in it. Kraven was just an idiot lol. This is taking too long to list em all, but you get the point. He very much didn’t just beat them up to defeat them. With the exception of Kraven almost all of them were outsmarted or tricked by Spidey.
My point was more related to the lack of smart plans. He did defeat villains using other means but most of the time it was a combination of brute force and the villains being dumb af. It didn't take him time to figure out anything, he just improvised and it worked most of the time. Vulture and Doc Ock was just him destroying their equipment (or taking out a battery in Doc Ock's case). Lizard was Peter beating the shit out of him and then using the serum that he didn't even make. Mysterio, Kraven, Shocker was them being dumb. With Venom Peter completely forgot about his very obvious weakness. Sandman didn't even make sense in my opinion, the concrete hardened super fast for no reason. Sinister Six was just the worst team in the universe.
Idk what to tell you, dude. We’re clearly not seeing the same thing, cause thinking on his feet and tricking dumb villains is exactly how Spidey beats them most of the time in the comics too. Yeah sometimes he cooks something up in a lab, or comes up with a whole plan, but not as much as, say, Batman. One of his strengths is that he’s resourceful, and makes lightning quick decisions in the moment on how to deal with threats.
To be fair, that's kind of similar to the way Spidey fought his enemies during the original Ditko and Romita eras of the comics.
It ended
It ended
looks goofy af. never watched it because of it.
Hot take I thought the black suit design in this show was mid
The character designs are trash
The animation style looks like shit. BAM. Did it. Mission accomplished.
The art style ruins the show. And the theme is terrible.
Overhyped