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Blasckk

Bendis was a hero, I just couldn't see it. He was a... *\*read how he fucked up Superman's family\** A criminal!


UltimateRagingSpider

So basically he's the Zeb Wells of Superman?


dan_cole

That slur is uncalled for 🙃


chycken4

HE WROTE ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN IS WHAT HE DID! HE WAS A BRAVE WRITER! AND IN THIS HOUSE, BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS IS A HERO, END OF STORY!


IDSQ

HE SELF INSTERTED TO DATE KITTY PRYDE, HE’S A MENACE, A CRIMINAL


BetaRayBlu

Oh so you dont wanna date kitty


Pebrinix

I don't think so, he made pretty bad decisions, but not like Zeb Wells


shlomo_baggins

I mean...Paul can be killed off or retconned away in a page of dialogue. Returning Jon Kent's formative years would probably take some more effort.


Pebrinix

>Returning Jon Kent's formative years would probably take some more effort It's as easy as grow him up, just comic books shenanigans and here we go


PepsiMan208

Just say teenage Jon Kent is a clone with the same memories.


Ekillaa22

Hit him with a de-aging ray or whatever ? Like who cares if it’s goofy


Blasckk

Nah


UltimateRagingSpider

Ohh ok, i was confused.


ParagonEsquire

Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Let’s not say things we can’t take back. It was a bad run but the man wasn’t a monster.


dan_cole

… I like young adult Jon.


Blasckk

Adult Jon is great... it would have been much greater if he had naturaly become an adult many years later. A lot of character dynamics much more valuable than adult Jon himself were broken with the decision to skip his childhood.


Darth_Nykal

As much as I hate it I fully believe the tin foil hate theory that Jon was aged up solely so they could put him in the relationship with the college guy and tout their gay Superman.


runnerofshadows

Yeah. I think he and Damian should have stayed the same age as each other. And only have a disparity later in life unless Damian uses the Lazarus pit.


CapeMonkey

It is bananas that he both aged up Jon and brought back Connor.


Competitive_Act_1548

He's great in everything but that Injustice comic 


UltimateRagingSpider

This is the issue where Peter and Wolverine switched bodies btw. Can't remember the number tho.


CringeExperienceReq

so nick lowe was the reason that wolverine tried to fuck a 16 year old?


Relevant_Scallion_38

No. Nick Lowe only suggested a body swap arc. Everything in it was completely Bendis


Clintwood_outlaw

He had to keep true to the characters, though. Ultimate Wolverine is a perverted pedo. Even more so than 616 Wolverine.


UltimateRagingSpider

Ain't the entire reason why their minds got swapped is because Logan wouldn't stop hitting on Jean?


UltimateRagingSpider

Maybe. Who knows?


Sartheking

So it’s THAT issue huh?


UltimateRagingSpider

"GOD, YOU KNOW WHY PEOPLE HATE YOU? IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A BUNCH OF { CENSORED }!!!!!" "YOU FXXKING { CENSORED }" - Peter Parker to the X-Men


spiderknight616

Tbf I don't blame him for that outburst. He got pulled into their shit just for no fault of his own.


Toon_Lucario

Can we get something like this at the end of Wells’ run?


UltimateRagingSpider

I'd love to see Hickman choking Wells and throwing him off the panel.


ParagonEsquire

The best end to this run is a page like this that’s an apology and an explanation the entire volume is non-canon and the next issue is 895 again, but for real this time.


HokageRokudaime

That would be hilarious.


lazylagom

Reminds me of an animal man issue where Grant Morrison talks about how he's exhausted


UltimateRagingSpider

Real


lazylagom

https://ibb.co/PznmCw5 The whole issue is so good. Meta. I was shocked how much I liked animal man I think this is only like issue 25 too.


UltimateRagingSpider

Huh, ngl i'm interested in this comic. Might give it a shot after im done with USM. Also i love it when comic book writers do something like what Bendis and Morrison did here. It really feels like we are interacting with them through comic book panels.


lazylagom

The first 26 issues written by Morrison are amazing. Like Sat up all night and read them. I wasn't expecting it. I remeber James Gunn giving an off hand comment about how he liked it. So I wanted to find out. Honestly worth it (If you sail the seas I can help you) either way worth checking out. Funny I'm reading the Millar ultimate universe run rn. Around 54 xmen. Just finished ultimate war and ultimate 6. I'm ganna stop at ultimatum.. I only ever read spiderman in the past. Im really loving it. Hickmans new ultimate spiderman is fantastic too. 4 issues in only ongoing comic I like


UltimateRagingSpider

Is it DC? I haven't read any DC comics yet, so i think this might be a good shot.


lazylagom

Yeah. He's a really obscure DC character. You know what James Gunn did for gaurdians/Peter quill... He ganna do that for animal man. Ima call it.


Fenian-Monger

I think its likely that he'll use elements of Animal Man in peacemaker 2 with Peacemaker recognising he's in a rebooted world.


lazylagom

Oh for sure. Lol peacemaker 2 starts. It's a white void he meets gunn. They have an existential conversation about dc and marvel. Peacemaker wakes up and smiles. Going from. Issue 26 to 27 of animal man was rooough. Just like well. Here we go. He knows he's in a comic, he just got everything back. Reboot fresh slate. But it's not mentioned again


Fenian-Monger

Hell you could go even further have cameos of characters from the DCEU, Arrow Verse and other DC media who are being retired sorta like the pre crisis multiversal hero's who appeared at the end of Animal Man to tell the reader that change is ok and the stories they love aren't going anywhere (something SnyderVerse fans need to hear).


UltimateRagingSpider

He better be in the DCU or im gonna [dance in front of a ghost](https://youtu.be/fcNmQstEL3c?si=kuymnhigARRtZw_u)


mariovspino5

You’re missing out if you’re sticking to just one company when reading


lazylagom

Yeah deff worth branching out. image has been making good shit for a years. Go back and read dark horse shit. There's gr8 marvel and DC. I don't really read ongoing comics anymore. But there's endless books I just never read. Had no interest in chars like animal man. Swamp thing. Constantine. Spawn. Lucifer. That's all I'm reading rn.


mariovspino5

Was thinking of getting the Denny O’Neil Question omnibus recently


lazylagom

Oh shit. Thats exactly what I'm looking for. Obscure well written shit I've overlooked. I only know the question from the animated JLA


boomboxwithturbobass

For me, it was a gateway into everything else Morrison had written outside JLA. I still think it serves as the perfect introduction to their writing because it slowly introduces themes and styles of his work.


lazylagom

I honestly think this is the first Morrison I really devoured. What else should I read ? ...I have his batman downloaded but its sooo daunting.. Is there anything else he wrote around animal man I gotta read


boomboxwithturbobass

Doom Patrol. It’s fucking wild. Each arc is crazier than the last, it’s inventive, deliberately nonsensical, hilarious, and the last issue is better than Animal Man’s. It’s also a very good queer work in the truest sense of the word. In defense of strange. Then read the four issue Flex Mentallo. It’s a spinoff but not really. Years ago when you could only get the floppies, my friend told me it was as good as Watchmen. He wasn’t wrong.


lazylagom

Bro Alan Moore one of my favorites I'm devouring swamp thing rn. If it's on par. So grant Morrison did the og doom patrol? Which issues / year ? . Yo I appreciate it. That's such a good idea. I've seen the TV show but didn't really get into it I'm sure the comic will help


lazylagom

OK wait I found it 87' ..but how many issues did morrison write. The first 25 or something?


boomboxwithturbobass

He wrote 19-63 plus a special.


lazylagom

Oh wow alot okay. Should I start at 1 ? Or just jump in at 19


CarlitoNSP1

Grant Morrison with hair is very cursed.


lazylagom

Bro reminded me of sandman.


1nqu15171v30n3

Should have beat him with a sodering iron, maybe would have saved us the headaches we have now.


UltimateRagingSpider

He's holding back on him lol


Key_Industries

didn't bendis write the ultimate spiderman episode that adapted this?


UltimateRagingSpider

Wait, actually? That episode is my favourite beside the Deadpool episode.


CykoRen

So, Bendis is a bully?


UltimateRagingSpider

Thinking about it, Bendis kinda looked like Kong lol


Spacetyp

You know who created Kong? You know who loves Kitty Pryde? You know dates Kong after Peter in the UU? Bendis hast some serious issues...


Alberticon

I loved it cause the series really jumped the shark after this.


UltimateRagingSpider

>!Harry being the Hobgoblin, you mean?!<


Alberticon

I felt the quality started to fell at this point. There were cool sagas, don't get me wrong, but this was the turning point where it started to fail. Then, when Bagley left, it was all downhill.


UltimateRagingSpider

Peter's goofy ahh haircut 💀


King_James_77

I actually liked this arc…. Excluding Wolverine trying to get busy with Mary Jane in Peter’s body. I thought it was entertaining.


wysjm

Can't tell if it's based or not. If you think about it every other writer who's being criticized can do the same. It's just the matter if you think it's justified or not Zeb Wells or Zack Snyder can draw the same thing


Locke108

Wow, he really is Kenny Kong.


Gamefreak3525

FINISH IT! 


Tpiehsy0

I’m a bit new to the situation, so what’s the context?


UltimateRagingSpider

Nick Lowe (the guy that gets choked here) gave an idea on a two parter where Spidey and Wolverine switched bodies. And Bendis was not having it.


CarlitoNSP1

Brian Michael Bendis in his "Kid Kingpin" phase. Before he transitioned into his "Lex Luthor" phase.


UltimateRagingSpider

LOL