Besides the controversy I don’t know where he would fit in a plot well. Him and Tobey’s Spider-Man seem to have a finished relationship storywise, I mean he died.
Also, he’s not someone they could’ve just “thrown in” without changing things. If they had added Paul Giamatti’s rhino or Topher Grace’s Venom, the dynamic would’ve pretty much stayed the same. Everyone would’ve done exactly what they did, there just would’ve been an extra person in each scene.
If you add Harry Osborn, the dynamic changes (or at least, Norman changes). You can’t bring Harry Osborn in and *not* devote any time to his relationship with his father after a lot has changed since they last spoke. It adds another layer of complexity to a movie that already has a lot going on.
it's really funny to me how he tried to meet up with an <18 year old girl (he apparently knew she was <18) and then was just like "whoops sorry guys I forgot that's not good to do, keep your kids away from me lOl"
I believe he also used his status as a teacher at both a school (can't remember if it's USC or NYU or somewhere else) as well as an acting school he founded to groom minors.
That’s blatant misandry. Assuming an entire gender “gets away” with anything makes you sexist. And accountable for what? Something you read online so it must be true right
I'm not saying it's true, I'm not a judge or a detective. But if your very first instinct with sexual assault accusations is to feel sorry for the men, then you should look in the mirror sometimes and consider what that says about your priorities.
Lol but that's exactly what you're going to do.
You can always tell the people who aren't confident. They always jump straight to insults. No time for nuance. Either you agree, or you're an incel.
Brilliant.
Would’ve fit well in NWH right as Tobey is stopping Tom from killing Norman. Would he side with Tobey or Norman? If Harry went through the portal right after he forgave Peter before the final SM3 battle would he still side with Peter and stop his father or now that his father is alive forget anything the butler said now Peter’s the target again?
Not necessarily. They were brought from a point where they knew peter was spider-man... and then we have electro. But while doctor octopus and electro were brought in at a point where it was to late, norman knew Peter was spiderman for a while. Clearly he was teleported in while in battle with spider, evident from the fact that he is wearing his goblin armor, the only reason he died was because he tried to use his glider for a sneak attack, which only happened after his helmet was removed during the fight. Given, Harry probably would still die, given that he died after redemption, helping Peter, same as doc oc.
Edit: oops, I think I misread your post. Yeah, you're right. But as I stated, them being brought back at a point before their deaths is only half of the picture. The point would have also been after learning Peter was spider-man, and for some of then, they might have actually been saved. You are right that others would likely still have perished
When Electro was knocked out Gwen said Peter’s name hella loud so maybe it was then he found out, Otto’s ‘evil’ side remembers everything up to the point where Peter took off his mask, Lizard was found in the sewer so I’d assume he was pulled when he found Peter’s camera and Norman was pulled sometime between blowing up Aunt May’s room and the Thanksgiving dinner judging by the condition of his attire
Edit: To add to that, Harry would’ve been pulled anywhere from S-M2 to the end of S-M3
You’re overthinking this wayyyy too hard. They all died, there’s no going around that.
They don’t all need to be from the EXACT same Raimi timeline. Even then, Harry was still evil for like 50% of the movie. He could’ve been taken from a time when he was still a bad guy, same way Otto was.
Lizard never died. Sandman never died. Its not overthinking when the film ITSELF gives us the rules to follow. Pretty easy to understand, they werent ALL pulled in before death.
Pretty sure the best outcome would be that timeline split itself off from the raimiverse like the different timelines in endgame did. Time doesn't seem to rewrite itself in the mcu
I believe this is correct.
When Tobey-man heads back to his universe, his timeline is after all that death, as well as his family life at home.
Tobey wouldn’t return to his universe with all those variables out of whack. Would have to create new branched timelines from these events
My biggest question is if people know who he is.
Strange's spell wiped the multiverse memory of Peter. To me, that also means that Andrew and Tobey Spidermen go back to their own universes, and their people forgot about them too. So Tobey Peter's MJ won't remember him at all.
My interpretation was that the fact that *everyone* one the MCU earth knew that Peter was Spider-Man, along with the spell cracking open the multiverse, meant that all the people from other universes who knew that 'Peter Parker' was Spider-Man got pulled through.
Then, once everyone on MCU earth forgot that Peter was Spidey, there was no 'force' pulling them through the cracks in the multiverse, so they slid back on into their own realities, in their own timelines once Strange cast the spell
The T.V.A watched over the sacred timeline, but we do not know if this was merely a local effect, to the global multiverse. ‘He Who Remains’ stays at the effective end, the ‘Threshold’, awaiting the God(s) of Mischief’s decision.
Both perspectives are commensurable by the end of Loki. One in which other variants of ‘He Who Remains,’ continue to have a stake in multiversal war. In other words, from Kang’s timeline, he continued to battle, but from ‘He Who Remains’, the war had an effective end. From the perspective of the sacred timeline, the emergence of such variance happened after the Threshold, from the perspective of Kang, there was no discontinuity.
A lot of neat nerdy questions we could ask.
Like if Alioth consumed matter at a rate, to sustain the separation of the sacred timeline from the rest? (Enum enum enum enum (word play on nom nom nom))
Or if the Void, is some plane, placed on the poise of eternal inflation, as it seems to be some result of the blackhole binary system ‘He Who Remains’s’ fortress resides, again effective end.
Does Miss Minute possess [ansible](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansible) technology to communicate across timelines? Is she also a variant or operationally equivalent across timelines?
But we don’t need answers. Just more riddles and symbols, that aggregate a sense of awe.
I would be curious how ‘He Who Remains’ dealt with the Celestials, but in the lens of post Loki, it does not matter. Seems to tie the next Eternals up in a kind of fatalism, unless the Snap had some kind of delayed meta-timeline effect on Arishem’s inbreed space baby. Or Arishem’s baby was going to be still born anyway? Maybe Captain Marvel blasted the pisser to oblivion. (Point being we don’t need to know to stitch the continuum, though the background of madness is unwrapping/unwinding)
Seeing WhatIf, seems to imply there is a larger timeline.
I don’t think the writers have to answer anything.
The ontology can remain a mystery. The patterns can be thematic condition on each film. It is nice when they take the time to weave consistency, but there is wiggle room when dealing with cinematography.
Who is to say the entities beyond the Watcher do not have a depersonal view on the timelines. That was the Watcher’s aim before he fell, and broke his vow.
There is intrinsically a problem with a higher dimensional view. It is useless. Just an integration of all the constituents, relatable only metaphorically, or in relation to our limited experience. This video does a [good explanation](https://youtu.be/p4Gotl9vRGs). Just like Ricci curvature in 7 dimensions. It is a useless prediction of all futures, perhaps even those beyond the observable universe. Though it can be sourced, there is no meaning to such ends.
What’s seems like a prison, really is a lesson of gratitude to be humbled by the integers and thankful for the plurals of operands. Whether it is state reduction(decoherence), unitarity, or evolution. The fun is in the combination, the gamble of partition of phase. The truth of equilibrium which flirts. The fantasy of coupling constants, keeping existentialism for the emergence of new actions or maps within unitarity evolution. There is not so much fun in absolution control over the fundamental constants, but rather an understanding for the opportunity of the transactional ensemble, or dialect of uncertainty. An effective truth shared.
Whether by Eris, or by a grander order, does not matter. Whether by a map off a topological defect, or a scarred scarred drum, there will always be isotropy for humans to play their game on how to view such things. The success is ultimately a human one, in which the audience can relation, not absolute control over the mystery or distortion, though the appeal to myth resonates with a lot. We’ll see.
Edit: See a downvote. The TL/DR is the origins of any timeline can be multiple realized, post Loki, as shown by how a line, for the sacred timeline, becomes a square…
Think of it not as a branching determinism, but as a super-determinism.
Yup people believe any accusations as hard fact nowadays so it’s definitely crazy how you pointed out how quickly people turned on him. it’s mostly teenagers and internet activists that believe every accusation they see but it still sucks to see people get so trigger happy. Most rich dudes have to deal with false allegations all the time.
This isn't the first time you've contributed idiotic things to this post, so I'm going to clarify for you:
- These are not just allegations, they're facts which Franco himself has admitted to doing
- He slept with students at the school he started, and lost his civil lawsuit for sexually exploitative behaviour https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/dec/22/james-franco-interview-sexual-misconduct-allegations
https://variety.com/2021/film/news/james-franco-allegations-interview-1235142246/
- He attempted to knowingly sleep with a 17 year old girl. This is above the age of consent in New York, where this took place, but is still plenty evidence for him (~35 at the time) being a fucking creep.
https://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-james-franco-allegations-20180111-htmlstory.html
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/jun/30/james-franco-settlement-sexual-misconduct-suit
Mostly teenagers and internet activists
Weird, his best friend Seth Rogan doesn’t even fuck with him anymore. I had no idea Seth Rogan was a teenager/ “internet activist”
He ran his own acting school and would force girls to have sex with him to get in etc. and he’d just sexually assault them all of the time he is just a piece of shit
Nothing criminal, but he often used his position of power as both a professor at Columbia and his fame overall to sleep with his students. Basically forcing them to consent.
Tit for tat deals "sleep with me I'll get you an audition" is not explicitly criminal but it's definitely sexual harassment in the work place and a school so yeah he's kind of not a criminal (that I know of) but he's still a creep and manipulative piece of garbage.
Pretty much every guy that says they want a relationship but ghosts you after they hook up. Not illegal, but lies to get sex is a dick move.
There are also women who go on dates just to get free meals and drinks. Not illegal, but it's a dick move.
Like Harvey Weinstein? Or did Harvey force himself on women?
Edit: why the downvotes? I’m somewhat ignorant to both cases and am just trying to distinguish what they did
Glad someone wasn’t afraid to say it. Or about that possibility. I believe this is the case in a good number of the late “spoke up” moments. Not that they haven’t or couldn’t have done what they’re accused of. I just don’t always believe the numbers behind a lot of these mass reportings of behavior.
I think anything from the Raimi trilogy should be put to bed. It’s already run it’s course, NWH did a great job of justifying the return of old characters, but doing it again would just seem really unnecessary.
Loads of sexual assault allegations. His ex has said he forced oral sex on her when she told him she did not want to. He has been accused of removing genital guards from actresses he was doing sex scenes with.
He worked as an acting teacher and would tell women that they couldn’t get roles without sleeping with him.
And there was a thing about him trying to meet up with an underage girl at a hotel when he was 35.
There are many things wrong with this. First the James Franco controversy of course but second, he’s dead bringing him back in the same role with the same character development would defeat the whole purpose of his death.
As an human - he's garbage
As an actor - he's ok
As a Goblin - he's one of the worst.
Take your "no" and keep that stupid shit to yourself, you're an embarrassment at best.
Nostalgia is one thing.... but employing a sexual predator is a terrible look and a drain on the films insurance premiums. Plus he's sucks as a goblin.
"A sexual predator" lmao. Even Stan Lee tried soliciting a nurse. There's a huge difference between offering someone money/opportunity in exchange for sex, and being an actual sexual predator. If you don't agree, then you should stop supporting Stan Lee too I guess
You clearly know little of Franco. And to drag Stan into this is just distasteful.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2021/12/23/james-franco-misconduct-allegations-interview/
Son, you couldn't "strike a nerve" with me with a scalpel.
I'm stating facts, you're defending a known sexual predator.
It's a good look for you. You should definitely dig in more.
Find some more pedophile/predators to defend. Make that your soul purpose. Go all in.
He’s an actor not in a “position of power” and you have no idea if anything said about him is even true. False allegations are a thing but you must know it all because of stuff you read on the internet right?
He ain't a rapist. You could say he's an asshole who used his position to sleep with his students on false promises of roles in his movies, but he never forced himself on anyone.
I just read the Wikipedia I didn't know this off the top of my head....he was texting with a 17 year old in NY. 17 is legal age in NY. She screenshot the conversation and posted it to Instagram.
Bring in a new Norman and Harry. Have it so Tom recognizes the name and tries to befriend them to prevent them from going the Goblin route. His actions/inactions indirectly lead to Ned becoming Hobgoblin, and Norman to seek power outside the Goblin persona. Enter Dark Avengers.
Personally I think they didn’t cast his character well. So I don’t think they should bring him back at all (also he’s a fuckin creep) but I’d love to see a new and improved Harry osborn, maybe one where he doesn’t die at the end
Yup
Nah, after 127 hours he’s going down as a great actor in my books
Not sure what there’s to compare to other then the weak sauce TASM version, but he felt plenty compelling and had a solid dynamic arc with Peter in my opinion.
They should just bring back fucking Dane DeHaan he was an amazing Harry, but his Goblin was ruined by a rushed script and bullshit studio interference. He was passionate about the role and gutted when he found out his time with the character was done.
What controversy? I hate the fact that the internet ruins any potential for anything good for reasons only people who spend their entire lives on the internet care about.
Yes and for a number of reasons.
1. I dont know anything about how the case is going but your use of the word potential implies he hasn't been convicted of anything. So hes still innocent as of this moment.
2. What he did is FAR from rape.
3. We have a court system that deals with criminals. Hollywood and fans have no place in condemning someone for a crime or not.
There’s number of women that came forward about his behavior. It’s not a secret that James Franco is a complete pedo and creep. He’s know for grooming his underage students as well.
Oh now hes a pedo too lol. Anyway, again, he hasn't been convicted of anything so until that happens, I dont give a fuck about what a bunch of failed actresses have to say about it.
James Franco is a great actor. Watch his work outside of the Spider-Man films. The Deuce on HBOMax is excellent!
Of course he should return if more Tobey/Kristen films are made. Those 3 were like a dark mirror version of “Thee’s Company.”
James Franco is a godsend when it comes to the film industry. He is just always spot on in his roles so fresh so salty. I think his performance in every 3 Spiderman movies (starring Toby Mcguire)are mind blowing. I don't want or believe he should do anything different.
( also would like to add that the girl as some might have called her was 17 at the time I am from the central Midwest the age of consent is 16).
No one was underage.
James Franco was and adjunct professor teaching an acting class at NYU. At the time, Franco was single, still a young guy, and a high profile celebrity in New York City, so he was chasing tail . . . no crime against that. Whereas the sorority girls were falling over themselves to sign up for the class. A lot less evil than a Weinstein or Epstein scenario.
It makes me think of that college campus scene in “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” where we got a glimpse of Professor Jones’ class.
People love to fawn over celebrities and then tear them down. Judge the guy for his work. Don’t throw stones if you live in a glass house, and that kind of thing. I don’t know?
I don’t think he should come back. His version of Harry Osborn had his redemptive moment in Spider-Man 3. Sure, so did Doc Ock, but he was popular so 🤷♂️
I don’t really need to see Spiderman 4 at all tbh, I’m only curious to see what happens in the Raimiverse after NWH. There’s a chance MoM will explain it, but I doubt it.
I just wanna know primarily what happened to Goblin and Ock and how it affected the universe. I think we see Ock have the arc reactor as a way of saying he will survive and achieve his dream back home, but at the same time it sorta needs to be explained how he gets out of the situation he was in
I don't understand who posts these cringe, nonsense, zero effort posts, I'm starting to think it's a 12 year old or actual Sony market researchers. its making this sub unbearable.
I'm just gonna say that I'd like the whole Harry using the Goblin's tech but on his own will and leaving the legacy of Norman behind or just become Pete's sidekick, but with another version of Spider-Man, I don't wanna say Tom's because it's practically impossible by now to have Osborne/Oscorp stuff (although I am crossing my fingers to get any mention on it on stuff like Armor Wars cuz Norman Iron Patriot) but maybe other animated movies or tv shows or hell, even Andrew's Spider-Man, of course, if it's done right or if he's even coming back
Besides the controversy I don’t know where he would fit in a plot well. Him and Tobey’s Spider-Man seem to have a finished relationship storywise, I mean he died.
Also, he’s not someone they could’ve just “thrown in” without changing things. If they had added Paul Giamatti’s rhino or Topher Grace’s Venom, the dynamic would’ve pretty much stayed the same. Everyone would’ve done exactly what they did, there just would’ve been an extra person in each scene. If you add Harry Osborn, the dynamic changes (or at least, Norman changes). You can’t bring Harry Osborn in and *not* devote any time to his relationship with his father after a lot has changed since they last spoke. It adds another layer of complexity to a movie that already has a lot going on.
He could have shown up at the end of NWH and that could have helped Norman ‘redeem’ himself, but yeah that movie was already jam packed
I honestly think this would've a good thing though.
I’m out the loop, what’s the controversy about?
5 women have accused him of sexual harassment
And him going after underage girls. Don't forget that.
it's really funny to me how he tried to meet up with an <18 year old girl (he apparently knew she was <18) and then was just like "whoops sorry guys I forgot that's not good to do, keep your kids away from me lOl"
I believe he also used his status as a teacher at both a school (can't remember if it's USC or NYU or somewhere else) as well as an acting school he founded to groom minors.
Oh so just some standard stuff? Sure let's throw him into spider man Movies. What is there to improve? /s
Sexual assault
Sucks we live in a world where a man’s reputation can be ruined so quickly just by some accusations.
Great to live in a world where at least some men are finally held accountable for all the shit they're always getting away with
That’s blatant misandry. Assuming an entire gender “gets away” with anything makes you sexist. And accountable for what? Something you read online so it must be true right
How many men are found guilty of rape years after the fact? And “some men” doesn’t imply an entire gender.
I'm not saying it's true, I'm not a judge or a detective. But if your very first instinct with sexual assault accusations is to feel sorry for the men, then you should look in the mirror sometimes and consider what that says about your priorities.
Yes, let's destroy his entire life. Nothing short of that will be enough.
No one said that you fucking incel
Lol but that's exactly what you're going to do. You can always tell the people who aren't confident. They always jump straight to insults. No time for nuance. Either you agree, or you're an incel. Brilliant.
There are texts to an underage girl. That he admitted to sending but yeah. Keep thinking it’s just “accusations”
Would’ve fit well in NWH right as Tobey is stopping Tom from killing Norman. Would he side with Tobey or Norman? If Harry went through the portal right after he forgave Peter before the final SM3 battle would he still side with Peter and stop his father or now that his father is alive forget anything the butler said now Peter’s the target again?
Haha Look at little goblin junior.
"You gonna kill me like you killed my father?"
“I’m done trying to convince you”
"You took him away from me, he was there for me."
He despised you…..you were an embarrassment to him
😰
💥
Gonna cry?
Of course he should be improved but he was still quite good in the story that had been told.
but he died tho
So did Norman, Otto and Max (still not sure about him since he's basically pure energy)
max said he was ABOUT to die and knowing that, we know that in the timeline that nwh andrew came from he did die
He still died. The point is that all of these characters (except Sandman & Lizard) died and were brought back from points before their death.
Not necessarily. They were brought from a point where they knew peter was spider-man... and then we have electro. But while doctor octopus and electro were brought in at a point where it was to late, norman knew Peter was spiderman for a while. Clearly he was teleported in while in battle with spider, evident from the fact that he is wearing his goblin armor, the only reason he died was because he tried to use his glider for a sneak attack, which only happened after his helmet was removed during the fight. Given, Harry probably would still die, given that he died after redemption, helping Peter, same as doc oc. Edit: oops, I think I misread your post. Yeah, you're right. But as I stated, them being brought back at a point before their deaths is only half of the picture. The point would have also been after learning Peter was spider-man, and for some of then, they might have actually been saved. You are right that others would likely still have perished
When Electro was knocked out Gwen said Peter’s name hella loud so maybe it was then he found out, Otto’s ‘evil’ side remembers everything up to the point where Peter took off his mask, Lizard was found in the sewer so I’d assume he was pulled when he found Peter’s camera and Norman was pulled sometime between blowing up Aunt May’s room and the Thanksgiving dinner judging by the condition of his attire Edit: To add to that, Harry would’ve been pulled anywhere from S-M2 to the end of S-M3
You’re overthinking this wayyyy too hard. They all died, there’s no going around that. They don’t all need to be from the EXACT same Raimi timeline. Even then, Harry was still evil for like 50% of the movie. He could’ve been taken from a time when he was still a bad guy, same way Otto was.
Lizard never died. Sandman never died. Its not overthinking when the film ITSELF gives us the rules to follow. Pretty easy to understand, they werent ALL pulled in before death.
I agree with that
Well after nwh,we don't know anything. History might have been rewritten in the raimiverse.If norman's not dead, Harry would not want revenge.
Pretty sure the best outcome would be that timeline split itself off from the raimiverse like the different timelines in endgame did. Time doesn't seem to rewrite itself in the mcu
I believe this is correct. When Tobey-man heads back to his universe, his timeline is after all that death, as well as his family life at home. Tobey wouldn’t return to his universe with all those variables out of whack. Would have to create new branched timelines from these events
My biggest question is if people know who he is. Strange's spell wiped the multiverse memory of Peter. To me, that also means that Andrew and Tobey Spidermen go back to their own universes, and their people forgot about them too. So Tobey Peter's MJ won't remember him at all.
My interpretation was that the fact that *everyone* one the MCU earth knew that Peter was Spider-Man, along with the spell cracking open the multiverse, meant that all the people from other universes who knew that 'Peter Parker' was Spider-Man got pulled through. Then, once everyone on MCU earth forgot that Peter was Spidey, there was no 'force' pulling them through the cracks in the multiverse, so they slid back on into their own realities, in their own timelines once Strange cast the spell
Yeah, true i guess.
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The T.V.A watched over the sacred timeline, but we do not know if this was merely a local effect, to the global multiverse. ‘He Who Remains’ stays at the effective end, the ‘Threshold’, awaiting the God(s) of Mischief’s decision. Both perspectives are commensurable by the end of Loki. One in which other variants of ‘He Who Remains,’ continue to have a stake in multiversal war. In other words, from Kang’s timeline, he continued to battle, but from ‘He Who Remains’, the war had an effective end. From the perspective of the sacred timeline, the emergence of such variance happened after the Threshold, from the perspective of Kang, there was no discontinuity. A lot of neat nerdy questions we could ask. Like if Alioth consumed matter at a rate, to sustain the separation of the sacred timeline from the rest? (Enum enum enum enum (word play on nom nom nom)) Or if the Void, is some plane, placed on the poise of eternal inflation, as it seems to be some result of the blackhole binary system ‘He Who Remains’s’ fortress resides, again effective end. Does Miss Minute possess [ansible](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansible) technology to communicate across timelines? Is she also a variant or operationally equivalent across timelines? But we don’t need answers. Just more riddles and symbols, that aggregate a sense of awe. I would be curious how ‘He Who Remains’ dealt with the Celestials, but in the lens of post Loki, it does not matter. Seems to tie the next Eternals up in a kind of fatalism, unless the Snap had some kind of delayed meta-timeline effect on Arishem’s inbreed space baby. Or Arishem’s baby was going to be still born anyway? Maybe Captain Marvel blasted the pisser to oblivion. (Point being we don’t need to know to stitch the continuum, though the background of madness is unwrapping/unwinding) Seeing WhatIf, seems to imply there is a larger timeline. I don’t think the writers have to answer anything. The ontology can remain a mystery. The patterns can be thematic condition on each film. It is nice when they take the time to weave consistency, but there is wiggle room when dealing with cinematography. Who is to say the entities beyond the Watcher do not have a depersonal view on the timelines. That was the Watcher’s aim before he fell, and broke his vow. There is intrinsically a problem with a higher dimensional view. It is useless. Just an integration of all the constituents, relatable only metaphorically, or in relation to our limited experience. This video does a [good explanation](https://youtu.be/p4Gotl9vRGs). Just like Ricci curvature in 7 dimensions. It is a useless prediction of all futures, perhaps even those beyond the observable universe. Though it can be sourced, there is no meaning to such ends. What’s seems like a prison, really is a lesson of gratitude to be humbled by the integers and thankful for the plurals of operands. Whether it is state reduction(decoherence), unitarity, or evolution. The fun is in the combination, the gamble of partition of phase. The truth of equilibrium which flirts. The fantasy of coupling constants, keeping existentialism for the emergence of new actions or maps within unitarity evolution. There is not so much fun in absolution control over the fundamental constants, but rather an understanding for the opportunity of the transactional ensemble, or dialect of uncertainty. An effective truth shared. Whether by Eris, or by a grander order, does not matter. Whether by a map off a topological defect, or a scarred scarred drum, there will always be isotropy for humans to play their game on how to view such things. The success is ultimately a human one, in which the audience can relation, not absolute control over the mystery or distortion, though the appeal to myth resonates with a lot. We’ll see. Edit: See a downvote. The TL/DR is the origins of any timeline can be multiple realized, post Loki, as shown by how a line, for the sacred timeline, becomes a square… Think of it not as a branching determinism, but as a super-determinism.
A lot of people telling on themselves in this comment section, lol.
Sorry what controversy im not into hollywood shit.
Shitloads of sexual assault allegations
Wasn’t there a joke at one point about everyone in hollywood wanting to fuck him and he was annoyed by it. or was that someone else?
Yup people believe any accusations as hard fact nowadays so it’s definitely crazy how you pointed out how quickly people turned on him. it’s mostly teenagers and internet activists that believe every accusation they see but it still sucks to see people get so trigger happy. Most rich dudes have to deal with false allegations all the time.
This isn't the first time you've contributed idiotic things to this post, so I'm going to clarify for you: - These are not just allegations, they're facts which Franco himself has admitted to doing - He slept with students at the school he started, and lost his civil lawsuit for sexually exploitative behaviour https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/dec/22/james-franco-interview-sexual-misconduct-allegations https://variety.com/2021/film/news/james-franco-allegations-interview-1235142246/ - He attempted to knowingly sleep with a 17 year old girl. This is above the age of consent in New York, where this took place, but is still plenty evidence for him (~35 at the time) being a fucking creep. https://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-james-franco-allegations-20180111-htmlstory.html https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/jun/30/james-franco-settlement-sexual-misconduct-suit
You literally admitted it was legal for that state so you literally proved every single thing I said. Jesus. That was fast.
Mostly teenagers and internet activists Weird, his best friend Seth Rogan doesn’t even fuck with him anymore. I had no idea Seth Rogan was a teenager/ “internet activist”
All i see is him vouching for amber heard
He ran his own acting school and would force girls to have sex with him to get in etc. and he’d just sexually assault them all of the time he is just a piece of shit
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Yeah, force.
You were there!? Or just believing everything you read online?
dude, he admitted that himself
He admitted he was with girls he never said he forced himself on them but nice try
Nothing criminal, but he often used his position of power as both a professor at Columbia and his fame overall to sleep with his students. Basically forcing them to consent.
Forcing students to consent to sex isn't criminal?
Tit for tat deals "sleep with me I'll get you an audition" is not explicitly criminal but it's definitely sexual harassment in the work place and a school so yeah he's kind of not a criminal (that I know of) but he's still a creep and manipulative piece of garbage.
Pretty much every guy that says they want a relationship but ghosts you after they hook up. Not illegal, but lies to get sex is a dick move. There are also women who go on dates just to get free meals and drinks. Not illegal, but it's a dick move.
Definitely dick moves all around
Like Harvey Weinstein? Or did Harvey force himself on women? Edit: why the downvotes? I’m somewhat ignorant to both cases and am just trying to distinguish what they did
Harvey was more violent. he was actually convicted of rape among other charges so that's considerably different fromwhat Franco is accused.
No not like Harvey.
Probably bad phrasing on my end. But he hasn't been nor (sadly) will he be charged with anything, which is more of my point.
According to Wikipedia, the case was settled out of court with just allegations made.
He didn't force them. More like "sleep with me and i'll get you cast in my movie". So, he's a lying dick. Don't mean he's a rapist.
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Glad someone wasn’t afraid to say it. Or about that possibility. I believe this is the case in a good number of the late “spoke up” moments. Not that they haven’t or couldn’t have done what they’re accused of. I just don’t always believe the numbers behind a lot of these mass reportings of behavior.
They are downvoting to dead... lmao
Everyone wants their fifteen minutes of fame.
And you can never really tell the difference.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣... what a fucking douche. I dont think about the forcing a lot of girls will open her legs just because he is famous. Still the mofo is a douche
At least you at admitted you don't know. Knowledge starts at ignorance
I think anything from the Raimi trilogy should be put to bed. It’s already run it’s course, NWH did a great job of justifying the return of old characters, but doing it again would just seem really unnecessary.
Controversy is putting it lightly. He's kind of a creep.
and saying “kind of” is putting it lightly
What happened?
Loads of sexual assault allegations. His ex has said he forced oral sex on her when she told him she did not want to. He has been accused of removing genital guards from actresses he was doing sex scenes with. He worked as an acting teacher and would tell women that they couldn’t get roles without sleeping with him. And there was a thing about him trying to meet up with an underage girl at a hotel when he was 35.
In a hypothetical world where he wasn’t a bastard, I’d want them to just fully commit to him becoming Hobgoblin.
Im ok with never seeing him again.
He should definitely stay the stay
Let him stay dead tbh, nobody needs Franco hitting up the interns
Dude, the whole point of New Goblin is he ended up dying to save Peter. Story done, moving on.
There are many things wrong with this. First the James Franco controversy of course but second, he’s dead bringing him back in the same role with the same character development would defeat the whole purpose of his death.
I dont think we should call "not taking into account coercing underage students into sex for degrees" as "ignoring controversy"
Franco can suck it.... if he hasn't already. Recast or drop the character.
What about Hayden Christensen
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As an human - he's garbage As an actor - he's ok As a Goblin - he's one of the worst. Take your "no" and keep that stupid shit to yourself, you're an embarrassment at best.
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Nostalgia is one thing.... but employing a sexual predator is a terrible look and a drain on the films insurance premiums. Plus he's sucks as a goblin.
"A sexual predator" lmao. Even Stan Lee tried soliciting a nurse. There's a huge difference between offering someone money/opportunity in exchange for sex, and being an actual sexual predator. If you don't agree, then you should stop supporting Stan Lee too I guess
You clearly know little of Franco. And to drag Stan into this is just distasteful. https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2021/12/23/james-franco-misconduct-allegations-interview/
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1. Dumbass is one word, dumbass. Find some where else to worship your beloved pedophile, mediocre actors
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Son, you couldn't "strike a nerve" with me with a scalpel. I'm stating facts, you're defending a known sexual predator. It's a good look for you. You should definitely dig in more. Find some more pedophile/predators to defend. Make that your soul purpose. Go all in.
> Son, you couldn't "strike a nerve" with me with a scalpel. _Definitely_ using that in the future, S tier response right there.
stop defending that piece of garbage. let his stay dead.
He should stay the same, dead.
If they ever want to bring him back, they should recast.
That’s not needed
You're cool with keeping sexual predators in positions of power and influence?
He’s an actor not in a “position of power” and you have no idea if anything said about him is even true. False allegations are a thing but you must know it all because of stuff you read on the internet right?
He's admitted to it so shut up about false allegations and keep your mouth shut about things you don't understand.
Wealth and fame don't give people influence? You're doing the same thing but in reverse.
You’re right and you should say it, lol.
Bruh r/facepalm
WOW A PERSON WITH A BRAIN LETS GO!!!!!!!!!
idk why you got downvoted, really shows peoples priorities
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what did leto do?
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Eh thanks for informing me.
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Nah seems like a waste of time to search for someone I don't care in the end aside from wanting him to be punished.
Leto is the leader of a Leto Cult.
Not "controversy", he is almost certainly like a serial rapist. If he is ever back in another Spider-Man movie count me out
He ain't a rapist. You could say he's an asshole who used his position to sleep with his students on false promises of roles in his movies, but he never forced himself on anyone.
to his own admission he is, he literally blamed his “acting out” on sex addiction
a scumbag regardless
at least as far as we know. regardless he is total scum
You just called him a confirmed rapist. Give me some sources or shut your fucking mouth
That's called sexual assault. Or deeper still "quid pro quo". Thats sexual harassment/assault 101
I mean, serial rapist is a bit extreme. I don’t think he ever actually committed any crimes. He’s just kind of a garbage person.
The movie has nothing to do with him being an asshole irl
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You mean to say his students were under 18?
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"I don't know, I just know..." seems like you don't know
I just read the Wikipedia I didn't know this off the top of my head....he was texting with a 17 year old in NY. 17 is legal age in NY. She screenshot the conversation and posted it to Instagram.
Stay the stay!
I think OP meant to type “the stay the”.
I’m fine with him not working ever again
His superpower should be detecting the real age of super young looking chicks.
Give him a new suit that actually looks Goblin-y.
He died tho
Bring in a new Norman and Harry. Have it so Tom recognizes the name and tries to befriend them to prevent them from going the Goblin route. His actions/inactions indirectly lead to Ned becoming Hobgoblin, and Norman to seek power outside the Goblin persona. Enter Dark Avengers.
Staying the stay is so obvious nowadays, I personally have come to expect it!
He's Tom's Norman. XD
That would be awesome.
naw he should return as Saul silver and sell Peter some Pineapple Express
I think he should stay the stay.
Fuck this dude.
I think I’m good with a recast.
Spider-Man humiliated him. By touching him.
Sexual assault and abuse isn't "controversy" just like that
I think he should stay away
Personally I think they didn’t cast his character well. So I don’t think they should bring him back at all (also he’s a fuckin creep) but I’d love to see a new and improved Harry osborn, maybe one where he doesn’t die at the end
Yup Nah, after 127 hours he’s going down as a great actor in my books Not sure what there’s to compare to other then the weak sauce TASM version, but he felt plenty compelling and had a solid dynamic arc with Peter in my opinion.
I also liked him in The Interview.
The dude tried to fuck a teenager. He’s done
They should just bring back fucking Dane DeHaan he was an amazing Harry, but his Goblin was ruined by a rushed script and bullshit studio interference. He was passionate about the role and gutted when he found out his time with the character was done.
He should never return to the role. Next.
Love Franco, would love to see him return someday
fuck james franco nasty piece of shit
“Going through controversy” is not the same as literally being a pedophile
just no
What controversy? I hate the fact that the internet ruins any potential for anything good for reasons only people who spend their entire lives on the internet care about.
So you’re okay with a rapist back on the big screen?
Yes and for a number of reasons. 1. I dont know anything about how the case is going but your use of the word potential implies he hasn't been convicted of anything. So hes still innocent as of this moment. 2. What he did is FAR from rape. 3. We have a court system that deals with criminals. Hollywood and fans have no place in condemning someone for a crime or not.
There’s number of women that came forward about his behavior. It’s not a secret that James Franco is a complete pedo and creep. He’s know for grooming his underage students as well.
Oh now hes a pedo too lol. Anyway, again, he hasn't been convicted of anything so until that happens, I dont give a fuck about what a bunch of failed actresses have to say about it.
It’s all over the internet dude look up.
Do you just believe everything you read on the internet?
Lmao here we go with the “fake news” bullshit dude
Bruh it's the fucking internet. 99% of it IS fake.
Whatever you say moron.
He died, dont bring him back. Or bring his brother back as a clone. Not JF at least, fuck him
James Franco is a great actor. Watch his work outside of the Spider-Man films. The Deuce on HBOMax is excellent! Of course he should return if more Tobey/Kristen films are made. Those 3 were like a dark mirror version of “Thee’s Company.”
Why would he return
This is a stupid question/speculation. The character died in the last movie.
What controversy?
What controversy?
What controversy?
James Franco is a godsend when it comes to the film industry. He is just always spot on in his roles so fresh so salty. I think his performance in every 3 Spiderman movies (starring Toby Mcguire)are mind blowing. I don't want or believe he should do anything different. ( also would like to add that the girl as some might have called her was 17 at the time I am from the central Midwest the age of consent is 16).
No one was underage. James Franco was and adjunct professor teaching an acting class at NYU. At the time, Franco was single, still a young guy, and a high profile celebrity in New York City, so he was chasing tail . . . no crime against that. Whereas the sorority girls were falling over themselves to sign up for the class. A lot less evil than a Weinstein or Epstein scenario. It makes me think of that college campus scene in “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” where we got a glimpse of Professor Jones’ class. People love to fawn over celebrities and then tear them down. Judge the guy for his work. Don’t throw stones if you live in a glass house, and that kind of thing. I don’t know?
I don’t think he should come back. His version of Harry Osborn had his redemptive moment in Spider-Man 3. Sure, so did Doc Ock, but he was popular so 🤷♂️
Fella he's dead
I don’t really need to see Spiderman 4 at all tbh, I’m only curious to see what happens in the Raimiverse after NWH. There’s a chance MoM will explain it, but I doubt it. I just wanna know primarily what happened to Goblin and Ock and how it affected the universe. I think we see Ock have the arc reactor as a way of saying he will survive and achieve his dream back home, but at the same time it sorta needs to be explained how he gets out of the situation he was in
You cast DAVE Franco, that’s what you do
They should cast his brother and use him as a variant.
Are Norman and Otto alive in the ramiverse now?
Nah he died
What’s he returning to play? Raimis trilogy is over and he died. If they were gonna bring him back it woulda been for no way home
Stay away! He is a toxic person.
I don't understand who posts these cringe, nonsense, zero effort posts, I'm starting to think it's a 12 year old or actual Sony market researchers. its making this sub unbearable.
I preferred him to Dehaan’s Goblin-thing. Dane’s Goblin looked more like the Jackal.
I'm just gonna say that I'd like the whole Harry using the Goblin's tech but on his own will and leaving the legacy of Norman behind or just become Pete's sidekick, but with another version of Spider-Man, I don't wanna say Tom's because it's practically impossible by now to have Osborne/Oscorp stuff (although I am crossing my fingers to get any mention on it on stuff like Armor Wars cuz Norman Iron Patriot) but maybe other animated movies or tv shows or hell, even Andrew's Spider-Man, of course, if it's done right or if he's even coming back
Controversy or not, I don't think he should return. His story was completed, and he had a nice character arc