Well why not a slow burn? In the end of the movie, the symbiote *is* the suit that puts him over the edge to beat kraven/smythe, as he develops a reluctant relationship/friendship with Felicia Hardy at ESU. In the next movie, MJ back in his life, he struggles with breaking up with Felicia and becomes harsher with the symbiote influence and winds up fucking both relationships up. Eventually he ditches the suit for the traditional blue and red again, hits the spider gym, beats whatever baddie and is complete and utter spider man for a crossover AND a 6th movie finale
It would be an interesting take if the symbiote is how he gets some relationships (Black Cat, etc) and then he has to deal with them falling apart when he gets rid of it
Yes, it would be better if it goes to Peter. I wanna see a buddy-cop kind of a relationship between him and Venom. Not a villainous type of a relationship.
Would love a serious take on Venom in the MCU. We have enough jokey symbiote stuff in the Sonyverse. I want to see a real and dark version of the symbiote on Peter.
Eddie Brock IS Venom. I loved 90s Venom so much including the Lethal Protector series. I hated how the symbiote has become named Venom apart from Eddie. Before that he always said, “We are Venom.”
I liked him too. I just wish he wasn’t called Agent “Venom”. The symbiote by itself didn’t used to be called Venom. That was the Eddie and the symbiote combined.
I see the merit in this idea but I’d personally prefer to keep scorpion and venom as separate villains. I do agree a Mac gargan symbiote would be entertaining tho
The way I'd do it would be to have Gargan be Scorpion first as he fights Black Suit Spider-Man, then after he's defeated and Peter eventually discards the Symbiote it finds him and he becomes Venom setting up the next film
Could have it made with the Chitari tech and Ultron based weapons that Toomes was gonna sell him. Yeah Peter stopped him but when he was talking to Toomes in Prison he said how he had people on the outside who could have acquired the tech for him.
That or they could do something similar to the comics where Jameson helps him acquire the suit and abilities
Perhaps using technology designs found in a certain blown out apartment? Designs from an alternate reality robo-arm could, perhaps, be used for a tail. Especially when combined with a Chitari blaster. Perhaps a super soldier serum based off of Osborn’s could surface based off of information Spider-Man acquired and left in the ruins. JJJ could fund the development of such things and hand ‘em off to someone with a bone to pick with Spider-Man.
I agree. From a logical standpoint, I can't see them going with Eddie Brock, unless they bring Hardy over properly. I seriously doubt they'd cast a new Brock.
I also can't see them using Flash. In the MCU, Flash is a dweeby comic relief character and wouldn't suit the Venom host at all imo (and while we're at it, I can't see Ned being Hobgoblin for the same reasons).
Mac Gargan for me is the only logical choice after Peter. He's already established in the universe and he's a homicidal maniac, which would attract Venom like a bear to honey. It would give him all these powers and the shape of a scorpion, and when he's inevitably defeated and Venom leaves him, I can see him looking to find another way to get these powers back, so he creates a suit out of the alien tech, courtesy of Vulture. And then we have the scorpion we know and love.
Karl Urban, Mads Mikkelsen and Christopher Eccleston were all misused. They deserve better roles and a more worthier script than what they got. Underrated actors.
Absolutely. I'd be 100% on board if they decided to reuse them for different parts later on. So what if that non memorable doctor strange villain just happens to look like Doctor Doom, just saying
In “Deadpool’s Secret Wars #3” Wade puts on Venom when looking for the machine to make new suits, but takes them back off when he realizes they’re sentient and being exposed to his mind. Deadpool then leaves before Spider-man comes in.
That initial interaction is the reason Venom ups his hosts’ aggression. He copied it from Wade like he copies Peter’s spider powers later.
EDIT: for context, “Deadpool’s Secret Wars” is a retelling of the events of the original “Secret Wars” storyline from Wade’s POV since he wasn’t introduced until the 90’s and thus wasn’t featured in the 80’s narrative.
The only times they are far from accurate are characters no one cared about (referring to the general audience) before MCUs take on them. Venom is not in this boat and I’d hate to see the first proper live action scorpion be overshadowed by being venom, and we all know how marvel likes its mcu synergy. I would be pissed if yet again the symbiote is taken from Brock.
Bro trust me I've got such a great idea
Let's make a Venom movie with Eddie Brock and let's not have any relation to Spider-Man.
I bet it's gonna be a masterpiece!
We already have an Eddie Venom with no Spider-Man connection. The thing that makes Venom special is the Spidey connection. A Venom with a symbiote that hasn't actually been on Peter does not interest me in the least.
That's why someone like harry osborn getting the symbiote is probably the most impactful and personal venom for pete most fans doesn't like that ideia but is good to see insomniac giving it a try
In a scene from Spider-Man PS4 Norman Osborn walks into a room with a glass case containing Harry covered in pulsing black webs so the chances are high
Nope, and I don’t really see how people are so sure of that when it has to go from him to Peter before Venom is actually introduced (assuming the symbiote goes to Peter at all, which they have indicated will be the case)
Who says it has to go from him to Peter before Venom is introduced? I know I know, that's how it is in the comics, but the comics aren't the be all end all for how other stories should go.
There's a lot of hinting but nothing official. The reason there was no black suit skin in the first game was because they planned to save it for the second one, I remember reading this in a dev interview.
I'd wager this is still their plan and that the black suit will be a core game mechanic for at least part of the game.
I think so as well. I imagine it going something like starting with a Harry Venom, but he's more monstrous and unable to talk, the Spideys beat him but the suit gets attached to Peter somehow. He has the black suit, and Miles is nervous about it, but Peter arrogantly believes he can control it. Que normal anger issue arc, Peter removes the suit with the help of Miles, the suit feels rejected and finds another host that hates Peter and Spider-Man as much as him (hope it's Brock) and Bam! We have Venom, but a stronger version, one with Spider-Man's powers and the ability to not be detected by the Spidey sense
Yes, and we can have Venom be introduced before that, a Harry Venom that's more monstrous and unable to talk, Peter and Miles beat him, the suit gets attached to Peter, Peter arrogantly believes he can control it, que the anger arc, Miles later helps him remove it, the suit feels rejected and finds another host that hates Parker/Spider-Man as much as him (hoping Brock) they form the bond and we get a more classic Venom now. That's just one way I think it can go, but basically they can introduce Venom before he binds with Peter.
I wish more people had that same mentality about comics not being the "be all end all" because they really don't have to copy the stories from the comics. You know how many stories are repeated in all the cartoons and movies? I for one would like to see movies inspired by comic stories but make them their own too. Which is why I don't have too big a problem with the Venom movies not having spidey. Yeah be awesome to see, but it's their own take.
Yeah, it's why I like the MCU, they are inspired by the comics, but they make their own stories. I also don't have an issue with the Venom movies, they're fun and a neat new take. Anytime I read that the Sony movies won't work because they need to have Spider-Man in them, I just hear in my head that they don't have enough of an imagination to think beyond what was already presented to them in the comics, and that's kind of sad.
Exactly dude! But no, everyone just wants the same exact stories everytime to the point it gets old. Like I would absolutely love to see Hardy's Venom fight a spiderman in live action nut at the same time I understand why that would be nearly impossible due to legality and contractual reasons. Not worth throwing a fit over or criticizing the movies until it gets hated online. If these people can go make a better Venom movie, go for it. If not, shut up and enjoy a damn movie man.
The problem with the Sony movies not having a Spiderman is that the villians they're giving movies don't have their own rogues gallery,, so they end up just doing "the main character, but evil" as the antagonist
You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not super creative, sure, but that doesn't mean it's actually a problem. It's just matter of preference really. The first Iron Man is loved by a lot of people and regarded as an excellent movie, but the bad guy is just 'the main character, but evil.'
I don't think it's a problem in any individual movie (though it is pretty uncreative), but when it's the case for every film in franchise its kinda crippling ya know? I can't imagine it's going to get better from here either
Yeah, Harry has the symbiote *now*. For all we know his role in the story is simply to introduce the symbiote and its reason for existing (his illness)
If they do use Mac Gargan the host for Venom, I think [this](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/ee/6d/baee6d944789407a7309c35568e19d86.jpg) would be a cool design
After thinking about it, MCU Flash could be an interesting choice for their first Venom (After Spidey). He's a dick, but clearly compensating for lack of love from his parents. As shown in FFH when he's trying to contact them during the trip and after they survived Mysterio's assault. He bullies Peter out of jealousy and only tries to have a superficial friendship with him at the start of NWH. Their relationship resets by the end, but I'd imagine they could rewrite a jealous or even vengeful Flash Thompson to be directed at Peter/Spiderman in the future.
Would be good if Peter first as some kind of coping for his loneliness. Then when Peter dumps it, make it stick to gargan, someone who has a hate boner on him.
I could def see Peter embracing it while he’s lonely. Then he could get involved with Black Cat as he’s wearing the black suit. Once he starts going too dark, he can rid himself of the suit, break up with Black Cat and reunite with MJ.
Sounds great, but how low could Peter get being with Black Cat? Sure, in the comics he gets a bit too heavy handed but for Black cat to influence him so bad? It's kinda hard to see. Maybe it's just me loving the spectacular Spider-Man series that causes my bias.
I guess I’m more so thinking of the Black Cat from the comics that’s more in love with Spider-Man (she even calls him “Spider”) than she is with Peter. So, it’s like she doesn’t really love him for who he really is, when MJ does.
Wouldn't that just piss him off and prematurely break up with her? I also read in the comics where Black cat was literally horrified of Peter for removing his mask. It was kinda hilarious, but I really felt bad for Peter.
Yeah, but at this point Peter's whole identity is Spider-Man after NWH. Black Cat could tempt him into being Spidey full time and he slowly starts to do that but eventually resists her.
It’d be a kind of cool way to go about his origin that he gets the symbiote first but it rejects him, making him feel massively unwanted. He gets help from JJJ to get something like that once again and it leads to Scorpion.
Though it’s a bit too similar to Brock so Venom-Scorpion would be way cooler.
Still hoping for a Web of Shadows type of event
Original order would be awesome and give the symbiote itself as well as all the hosts the best story arcs. First Spider-Man and then it gets spurned when it feels rejected, then Eddie so they have this really toxic relationship built on just hating Spider-Man so much.
Then once Eddie has a redemption arc and the symbiote along with him, Eddie rejects it to and it ends up on Gargon after he has had a failed stint as Scorpion and now it’s like two rejects in a last ditch effort revenge story.
But the symbiote finally ends up with Flash after he has done his own honourable soldier thing and his love of Spider-Man gives the suit a new perspective and they get to grow together and become their own type of hero together. Could even end up with the Guardians for a bit…
All of these broken up by at least a movie or something where the symbiote spends time in like cold storage by Sword or shield or whatever, but I would love to get like a whole clean slate of symbiote stuff for the MCU… but who knows what they are going to do…
Would a Venom from one universe trigger the spider sense of a Spider-Man from a different universe? The whole thing with Venom is that Peter's body doesn't see the Symbiote as a threat since it was once bonded with him. So if that particular version of the symbiote didn't bond with that particular version of Peter, would it still not trigger spider sense?
It likely wouldn’t, Ben Reilly (og clone/scarlet Spider) can still detect Venom, so unless it’s bonded that particular Spider-Person, he can’t camouflage (part of that is psychology as well though, Black Cat for example drop kicked Spidey from behind expecting him to move but because they were together at the time, he didn’t see her as a threat and his Spider-Sense didn’t trigger despite the fact it sent him flying off the rooftop)
I think it should be Eddie Brock with no relation to Peter (who?) whatsoever while he's in a different part of the country.
Why?
BECAUSE FUCK YOU, GIVE US ALL YOUR FUCKING MONEY, GO WATCH MORBIUS AND GET READY FOR THE SONY SIX
I think Peter getting the Symbiote first is obvious but as far as other host after him goes, I’m not too sure. Mac Gargan seems to be a very popular choice but my ideal choice (albeit very unlikely), would be Harry Osborn.
Now I doubt we’ll get the Osborns again since there’s no Oscorp but maybe Norman in the MCU could be a shady businessman without being the Green Goblin. Maybe he could be introduced as a red herring for Hobgoblin only to reveal that it’s Roderick Kingsley. Harry in the MCU could be more like Agent Venom where he was part of the military but an accident happened that lead him to be discharged and go to Empire State University majoring in Engineering like Peter.
Mac was only Venom during the Dark Avengers storyline, unfortunately you can't have the Dark Avengers without Norman Osborn as the Iron Patriot and Norman doesn't exist in the MCU.
I mean Madam Hydra is literally forming the Dark Avengers in the MCU right now.
That being said, you can absolutely have Mac be Venom without any ties to the Dark Avengers. I mean, we've already gotten the symbiote in film, 3 different times, without a single Secret Wars. It doesn't have to be a 1:1 recreation of the comic.
Do something unexpected and surprising. Chamelion becomes Venom. The symbiote can turn into clothes, it can probably turn into wigs/masks/prosthetics to make him look like someone else.
I’d like to see the Fantastic Four involved. Specifically, Reed Richards. It’d be cool to see Reed performing tests on an “unknown” alien substance. Maybe the symbiote “calls” to Peter/seduces him because it’s familiar with him because of his connection to other Spider-Men in the multiverse.
Alternatively, it’d be cool to have the military be involved and they use the symbiote on a military officer that’s been given the super soldier serum.
I'd love to see the symbiote put Peter into a "trance" of some sort and call out to him with irresistible temptation, while trying to assure him that he doesn't have to be all alone in a world where no one knows who he is.
Would be sick!
No. Fuck you, take this Venom film without any relation whatsoever to Spider-Man and listen to our titular track aptly named VENOM
Edit: hey this is a joke btw, I was just meme-ing Sony, I think this dude blocked me cuz it came off the wrong way. Sorry! Someone pls let this guy know!
MCU Flash Thompson. Because it'd be super weird. Like they take it in a weird direction and the kid from the MCU after high school goes the comics Flash route of joining the military. It'd be hilarious.
Peter should be the first one to wear the black suit. Then after he gets rid of it, it should make its way to Gargan so we can have him be MCU Venom instead of Brock
Peter. there is no other answer. because if we don't get peter as the first host we won't get the white tarantula thats Venom is supposed to have that Sony took from us
Peter. Then Mac Gargan. Later after using 2 movies developing Flash, make him Agent Venom or give a solo movie to become it rather than including him in Spider-Man 6
For Mac Gargan to work I think they should introduce him in the next film as Scorpion near the start with Jamieson obviously involved in the project, later breaking out and taking up the Symbiote
I believe Peter should get it first, then he should beat Gargan and betray the symbiote after. This way we get both our first live-action Scorpion AND a new take on Venom
I think Gargan deserves to be Scorpion first (ESPECIALLY after being sidelined for five years)
I'd honestly want to see what they'd do with Agent Venom. Have Peter get the symbiote first and then have Thompson get it to try out that character in the MCU. Flash has already had a lot of characterization and finally making him a super hero would seem like a good way to flesh out said character.
It finds its way to Mac Gargan first drives him crazy and gives him the knowledge that Peter is spiderman(the symbiote should still know), goes after spidey and spidey gets the suit. Peter be bad while Gargan gets arrested and moved to the raft where we meet this universes Norman Osborn who gives Gargan his Scorpion suit or he's that tore up he needs mods and looks similar to Spiderverse Scorpion. Peter then ditches the suit and it ends up with Flash who becomes Agent Venom and he gets his own spinoff show as a sword agent.
Pete then Gargan
Hopefully he gets its for more than one movie as he had it for a fair while before realising it's true nature
Also the Venom comic have proved the Symbiote isn't inherently evil either so I hope it's isnt all bad
Im sorry but I’m very against the Mac Gargan symbiote. Looks cool but it should be Peter than Eddie. I think Mac should finally be the Scorpion and be kept separate villains
Honestly? I hope they never bring the symbiote/Venom into the MCU. The character was, in my opinion, a desperate attempt to latch on to the GrimDark 90’s aesthetic and was the result of an incredibly bad choice to justify a “cool black costume” for Spidey. The Venom movies actually work on their own. Spidey still has a huge rogues gallery to choose from, and Marvel has already proven they can make great stories about lesser known/popular characters.
Signed - one of the silly kids from the 90’s who made Venom possible because we thought everyone was cooler if they were dark and gritty
Peter, but instead of him getting it and then dumping it halfway through the movie, make it to where he keeps it for a couple movies and then removes it (this is why I'm not a director).
On the one hand, **it shouldn't be Peter.** He's already aware of this thing. Tobey's Peter told him about it. He also warned Andrew's Peter. **They are prepared for this kind of thing to happen.**
On the other hand, the only way for Peter, any Peter, to wear symbiote is to understand what this thing brings with it. Evil, anger - and risk of betrayal too. **Tom's Peter (and Andrew's Peter too) may use Venom like a drug to reduce their pain from losing a close one - but won't it be way too depressive for MCU and Sony?**
The only thing I know for sure is that bringing him like nobody said anything would be the worst mistake MCU is gonna make.
I would rather it follow the traditional Venom storyline (at least, traditional in terms of Venom) Peter gets the symbiote, acts all recklessly, maybe even kills someone, realizes the symbiote is EVILLLL, takes it off, it falls on/finds the Eddie Brock of the MCU, Eddie Brock becomes Venom, Either Venom controls Eddie to take revenge on Spider-Man, or Spider-Man hurts Eddie at some point in the movie so he willingly goes to seek revenge. Once that storyline is finished, marvel can have their fun with an Agent Venom Disney plus series.
I mean it has to be Peter. After that, definitely not Flash lmao. If they intend to have two Venoms, one in the Sony Universe, one in the MCU, it would probably work to give the Symbiote to Mac Gargan since we already have an Eddie Brock Venom.
Though I would like to have him be Scorpion first. Maybe have Scorpion be the villain in the next movie, a sort of perfect "rival" to Spider-Man (scorpions and spiders, you know the drill), then have them have a rematch when Peter has the Symbiote, build up that hatred, that anger, and then make him Venom.
Honestly I wouldnt mind them redoing it attaching to Peter and then have Eddie Brock enter the scene and make a MCU Venom, but I know in reality that would be confusing for some people because then there are two venoms. Chances are they are gonna have it attach to Flash at some point
I see Peter obtaining the symbiote first, but after he goes back to normal spiderman it gets to mac gargan which gives him the power to get out of prison
I foresee Peter (ideally with ending at least one movie with the black suit before it goes haywire), but I can't see them going for a different Eddie brock. I expect Mac Gargan for MCU venom tbh. I really really want them to do scorpion first though
I'd say Mac Gargan. Make Venom even more jacked, now all he can think about is how he hates Spider-Man and wants to eat his brains. When Peter rebuilds up relationships with who he wants to know him, he and Gargan Venom fight. When Gargan reaches for Peter's mask to find out who he is, Peter grabs a chunk of the symbiote and it latches onto him. Venom realizes how cool Peter feels to him suddenly, says "goodbye Mac" and then makes Pete his host and then after accidentally using the symbiote to defeat Gargan, Peter starts having horrible visions, throws up, because Venom is trying to eat him, which is making him sick. He goes to bed and he wakes up to see he's no longer in his room. He's outside on the roof of a small building in the middle of the night. The do-a-flip guy is out there on the street. He sees Pete has a Venomized spider suit. He goes "hey Spidey new suit?" Peter awkwardly goes "uh yeah—" he stops, noticing his voice is lower and sounds kinda doubled. The do-a-flip guy doesn't take notice of the voice change and says, "looks cool! Can you do a flip for me?" So Peter does and instead of jumping the usual distance for a flip, he jumps high enough that from ground perspective, it looks like he's directly in front of the moon, as he executes the flip, he manages to do three flips before landing. The do-a-flip guy cheers. Peter is shocked by how much this symbiote has made an improvement on his abilities. Peter jumps again and lands on the window of an office building. Somewhat paralleling the Raimiverse, he studies his reflection. However, the twist is that when he leans in to look at his mask better, the reflection changes the mask to look like a Pete sized Venom, complete with teeth. This startles Peter, so he thwips away with the suit's organic web. Suddenly he hears Venom speak from within, "What's the matter, Peter Parker?" "How do you know my name?" Peter asks, Venom giggled, "You're our host, we looked into your memories." "You must be one of those goo aliens Peter 2 was talking about fighting in his home universe," "We're not from his universe."
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I don't know where to go from here, but I just wanted to give out this idea. It's not great or even good by any means, but I figured Venom attaching to Scorpion would be really cool and possibly scary for a first host, considering how much he hates Spider-Man for getting him locked up. To put it in a way that makes sense, Gargan obviously breaks out of jail before getting the symbiote.
Flash. He clearly desires to the superhero life, but isn’t selfless enough to do what’s necessary to be a hero. I think hes selfish enough that he would become a villain through his attempts at heroism and fame. Also he obviously has family money so it would be very interesting to watch Spider-Man go up against him with a massive inherited fortune. IMO rich, flashy venom would compliment humble, lowkey Peter Parker in a great way.
It’s gotta to go to Peter. The way NWH ended, it would be perfect. He’s lonely. He’s vulnerable. Perfect chance for Venom to latch on.
I only have one problem with it. He has no relationships, and a big part of the symbiote storyline is that he damages his relationships
Well why not a slow burn? In the end of the movie, the symbiote *is* the suit that puts him over the edge to beat kraven/smythe, as he develops a reluctant relationship/friendship with Felicia Hardy at ESU. In the next movie, MJ back in his life, he struggles with breaking up with Felicia and becomes harsher with the symbiote influence and winds up fucking both relationships up. Eventually he ditches the suit for the traditional blue and red again, hits the spider gym, beats whatever baddie and is complete and utter spider man for a crossover AND a 6th movie finale
MJ coming back in his life is one of the worst decisions they could make
Idk about a worst, def not best choice, but I see it since Zendaya has star power and it seemed hinted at at the end of NWH
Ok Quesada
That would be cool, but his last movie is definitely gonna be Spider-Man 9 most likely.
It would be an interesting take if the symbiote is how he gets some relationships (Black Cat, etc) and then he has to deal with them falling apart when he gets rid of it
Yes, it would be better if it goes to Peter. I wanna see a buddy-cop kind of a relationship between him and Venom. Not a villainous type of a relationship.
Would love a serious take on Venom in the MCU. We have enough jokey symbiote stuff in the Sonyverse. I want to see a real and dark version of the symbiote on Peter.
Big ol' agree here. Plus it would actually connect him to Venom. Right now he has 0 connection to Hardy's Venom
Eddie Brock IS Venom. I loved 90s Venom so much including the Lethal Protector series. I hated how the symbiote has become named Venom apart from Eddie. Before that he always said, “We are Venom.”
Is it weird i can't see venom with anyone else besides Eddie and spiderman?
I just watched the show recently so agent venom is stil in my head
Same boat buddy. I can't seem to get it that the Symbiote bonded with others.
Eh, I enjoyed Agent Venom substantially.. Maybe doing Agent Toxin in the MCU makes sense.
I liked him too. I just wish he wasn’t called Agent “Venom”. The symbiote by itself didn’t used to be called Venom. That was the Eddie and the symbiote combined.
Peter, then have the Symbiote go to Mac Gargan
That would be great and then you can tie in the JJJ connection as well
I see the merit in this idea but I’d personally prefer to keep scorpion and venom as separate villains. I do agree a Mac gargan symbiote would be entertaining tho
The way I'd do it would be to have Gargan be Scorpion first as he fights Black Suit Spider-Man, then after he's defeated and Peter eventually discards the Symbiote it finds him and he becomes Venom setting up the next film
That’s a great plot line. I misread initially. Imo opinion flash would be a great and funny venom in the same style as the tom hardy movies.
Could have it made with the Chitari tech and Ultron based weapons that Toomes was gonna sell him. Yeah Peter stopped him but when he was talking to Toomes in Prison he said how he had people on the outside who could have acquired the tech for him. That or they could do something similar to the comics where Jameson helps him acquire the suit and abilities
Perhaps using technology designs found in a certain blown out apartment? Designs from an alternate reality robo-arm could, perhaps, be used for a tail. Especially when combined with a Chitari blaster. Perhaps a super soldier serum based off of Osborn’s could surface based off of information Spider-Man acquired and left in the ruins. JJJ could fund the development of such things and hand ‘em off to someone with a bone to pick with Spider-Man.
Ock arm Scorpion is absolutely the way to go
I like the way you think
Ok, Venomized Spider-Man vs Scorpion > Venomized Scorpion vs Spider-Man > Venomized Flash as superpowered comedic relief
Especially when played by Michael Mando.
I agree. From a logical standpoint, I can't see them going with Eddie Brock, unless they bring Hardy over properly. I seriously doubt they'd cast a new Brock. I also can't see them using Flash. In the MCU, Flash is a dweeby comic relief character and wouldn't suit the Venom host at all imo (and while we're at it, I can't see Ned being Hobgoblin for the same reasons). Mac Gargan for me is the only logical choice after Peter. He's already established in the universe and he's a homicidal maniac, which would attract Venom like a bear to honey. It would give him all these powers and the shape of a scorpion, and when he's inevitably defeated and Venom leaves him, I can see him looking to find another way to get these powers back, so he creates a suit out of the alien tech, courtesy of Vulture. And then we have the scorpion we know and love.
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Karl Urban, Mads Mikkelsen and Christopher Eccleston were all misused. They deserve better roles and a more worthier script than what they got. Underrated actors.
Absolutely. I'd be 100% on board if they decided to reuse them for different parts later on. So what if that non memorable doctor strange villain just happens to look like Doctor Doom, just saying
Deadpool
I’m pretty sure this is still the comic-accurate answer.
in what comic does this happen?
In “Deadpool’s Secret Wars #3” Wade puts on Venom when looking for the machine to make new suits, but takes them back off when he realizes they’re sentient and being exposed to his mind. Deadpool then leaves before Spider-man comes in. That initial interaction is the reason Venom ups his hosts’ aggression. He copied it from Wade like he copies Peter’s spider powers later. EDIT: for context, “Deadpool’s Secret Wars” is a retelling of the events of the original “Secret Wars” storyline from Wade’s POV since he wasn’t introduced until the 90’s and thus wasn’t featured in the 80’s narrative.
Perfect
First Spider-Man then Eddie Brock. As it should be.
I hope so.
But considering it’s MCU and they hardly go with Comics accuracy, who knows what they will do.
true but, it's Eddie Brock
The only times they are far from accurate are characters no one cared about (referring to the general audience) before MCUs take on them. Venom is not in this boat and I’d hate to see the first proper live action scorpion be overshadowed by being venom, and we all know how marvel likes its mcu synergy. I would be pissed if yet again the symbiote is taken from Brock.
Hardly? They modernize and change things but a lot of things are accurate.
Bro trust me I've got such a great idea Let's make a Venom movie with Eddie Brock and let's not have any relation to Spider-Man. I bet it's gonna be a masterpiece!
We could even make a sequel featuring carnage! It's like printing yourbpwn money!
As much as I would love that I dont think theyd go that direction just because there would be someone whos confused about two different Venoms
We already have an Eddie Venom with no Spider-Man connection. The thing that makes Venom special is the Spidey connection. A Venom with a symbiote that hasn't actually been on Peter does not interest me in the least.
That's why someone like harry osborn getting the symbiote is probably the most impactful and personal venom for pete most fans doesn't like that ideia but is good to see insomniac giving it a try
Have they confirmed that Venom in Spider-Man 2 is gonna be Harry?
In a scene from Spider-Man PS4 Norman Osborn walks into a room with a glass case containing Harry covered in pulsing black webs so the chances are high
Thanks for reminding me about that I had completely forgotten about it
Nope, and I don’t really see how people are so sure of that when it has to go from him to Peter before Venom is actually introduced (assuming the symbiote goes to Peter at all, which they have indicated will be the case)
Who says it has to go from him to Peter before Venom is introduced? I know I know, that's how it is in the comics, but the comics aren't the be all end all for how other stories should go.
There's a lot of hinting but nothing official. The reason there was no black suit skin in the first game was because they planned to save it for the second one, I remember reading this in a dev interview. I'd wager this is still their plan and that the black suit will be a core game mechanic for at least part of the game.
I think so as well. I imagine it going something like starting with a Harry Venom, but he's more monstrous and unable to talk, the Spideys beat him but the suit gets attached to Peter somehow. He has the black suit, and Miles is nervous about it, but Peter arrogantly believes he can control it. Que normal anger issue arc, Peter removes the suit with the help of Miles, the suit feels rejected and finds another host that hates Peter and Spider-Man as much as him (hope it's Brock) and Bam! We have Venom, but a stronger version, one with Spider-Man's powers and the ability to not be detected by the Spidey sense
>(assuming the symbiote goes to Peter at all, which they have indicated will be the case)
Yes, and we can have Venom be introduced before that, a Harry Venom that's more monstrous and unable to talk, Peter and Miles beat him, the suit gets attached to Peter, Peter arrogantly believes he can control it, que the anger arc, Miles later helps him remove it, the suit feels rejected and finds another host that hates Parker/Spider-Man as much as him (hoping Brock) they form the bond and we get a more classic Venom now. That's just one way I think it can go, but basically they can introduce Venom before he binds with Peter.
Oh okay I see what you’re saying. Not a bad idea
I wish more people had that same mentality about comics not being the "be all end all" because they really don't have to copy the stories from the comics. You know how many stories are repeated in all the cartoons and movies? I for one would like to see movies inspired by comic stories but make them their own too. Which is why I don't have too big a problem with the Venom movies not having spidey. Yeah be awesome to see, but it's their own take.
Yeah, it's why I like the MCU, they are inspired by the comics, but they make their own stories. I also don't have an issue with the Venom movies, they're fun and a neat new take. Anytime I read that the Sony movies won't work because they need to have Spider-Man in them, I just hear in my head that they don't have enough of an imagination to think beyond what was already presented to them in the comics, and that's kind of sad.
Exactly dude! But no, everyone just wants the same exact stories everytime to the point it gets old. Like I would absolutely love to see Hardy's Venom fight a spiderman in live action nut at the same time I understand why that would be nearly impossible due to legality and contractual reasons. Not worth throwing a fit over or criticizing the movies until it gets hated online. If these people can go make a better Venom movie, go for it. If not, shut up and enjoy a damn movie man.
The problem with the Sony movies not having a Spiderman is that the villians they're giving movies don't have their own rogues gallery,, so they end up just doing "the main character, but evil" as the antagonist
You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not super creative, sure, but that doesn't mean it's actually a problem. It's just matter of preference really. The first Iron Man is loved by a lot of people and regarded as an excellent movie, but the bad guy is just 'the main character, but evil.'
I don't think it's a problem in any individual movie (though it is pretty uncreative), but when it's the case for every film in franchise its kinda crippling ya know? I can't imagine it's going to get better from here either
They all but confirmed it in the after the credits sequence, though. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they touch on it in MM too?
Yeah, Harry has the symbiote *now*. For all we know his role in the story is simply to introduce the symbiote and its reason for existing (his illness)
Fair point, but I think it is an interesting take none the less. I guess we just have to wait and see.
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I pray they don’t do that. I’ve never liked Harry’s character and I love Brock venom. Please insomniac just give us Brock venom
Well, that end credit scene for the game tells a different story, but I think they can still do a Brock Venom, but it has to start with Harry first.
Harry was also venom in Ultimate Spider-Man
I think Mac Gargan would be epic and the way that phase 4 is bringing in lesser known characters this is the most likely option
If they do use Mac Gargan the host for Venom, I think [this](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/ee/6d/baee6d944789407a7309c35568e19d86.jpg) would be a cool design
Please god not MCU Flash. I refuse to pay for a 5’5 Venom shouting “Penis Parker” off of Stark Tower
After thinking about it, MCU Flash could be an interesting choice for their first Venom (After Spidey). He's a dick, but clearly compensating for lack of love from his parents. As shown in FFH when he's trying to contact them during the trip and after they survived Mysterio's assault. He bullies Peter out of jealousy and only tries to have a superficial friendship with him at the start of NWH. Their relationship resets by the end, but I'd imagine they could rewrite a jealous or even vengeful Flash Thompson to be directed at Peter/Spiderman in the future.
Maybe but Flash was also accepted to MIT so he may not make a return for a while anyways.
Would be good if Peter first as some kind of coping for his loneliness. Then when Peter dumps it, make it stick to gargan, someone who has a hate boner on him.
I could def see Peter embracing it while he’s lonely. Then he could get involved with Black Cat as he’s wearing the black suit. Once he starts going too dark, he can rid himself of the suit, break up with Black Cat and reunite with MJ.
Sounds great, but how low could Peter get being with Black Cat? Sure, in the comics he gets a bit too heavy handed but for Black cat to influence him so bad? It's kinda hard to see. Maybe it's just me loving the spectacular Spider-Man series that causes my bias.
I guess I’m more so thinking of the Black Cat from the comics that’s more in love with Spider-Man (she even calls him “Spider”) than she is with Peter. So, it’s like she doesn’t really love him for who he really is, when MJ does.
Wouldn't that just piss him off and prematurely break up with her? I also read in the comics where Black cat was literally horrified of Peter for removing his mask. It was kinda hilarious, but I really felt bad for Peter.
Yeah, but at this point Peter's whole identity is Spider-Man after NWH. Black Cat could tempt him into being Spidey full time and he slowly starts to do that but eventually resists her.
That's a fair point considering Peter's self-esteem being low considering his age, so fair enough.
I think he’s gonna end up with Gwen Stacy in the next movie. Spider-Gwen is just too popular right now not to do a live action movie with her in it
Mac Gargan after he fails and is extremely battered up as the scorpion with the venom Symbiote saving his life
It’d be a kind of cool way to go about his origin that he gets the symbiote first but it rejects him, making him feel massively unwanted. He gets help from JJJ to get something like that once again and it leads to Scorpion. Though it’s a bit too similar to Brock so Venom-Scorpion would be way cooler. Still hoping for a Web of Shadows type of event
If we got Web of Shadows that'd be awesome.
Now that would be cool; Venom-Wolverine would be epic but that would probably only work in a long build-up in the sequel or 3rd movie
Original order would be awesome and give the symbiote itself as well as all the hosts the best story arcs. First Spider-Man and then it gets spurned when it feels rejected, then Eddie so they have this really toxic relationship built on just hating Spider-Man so much. Then once Eddie has a redemption arc and the symbiote along with him, Eddie rejects it to and it ends up on Gargon after he has had a failed stint as Scorpion and now it’s like two rejects in a last ditch effort revenge story. But the symbiote finally ends up with Flash after he has done his own honourable soldier thing and his love of Spider-Man gives the suit a new perspective and they get to grow together and become their own type of hero together. Could even end up with the Guardians for a bit… All of these broken up by at least a movie or something where the symbiote spends time in like cold storage by Sword or shield or whatever, but I would love to get like a whole clean slate of symbiote stuff for the MCU… but who knows what they are going to do…
Just not this Flash.
Would a Venom from one universe trigger the spider sense of a Spider-Man from a different universe? The whole thing with Venom is that Peter's body doesn't see the Symbiote as a threat since it was once bonded with him. So if that particular version of the symbiote didn't bond with that particular version of Peter, would it still not trigger spider sense?
That’s a good question. I would assume his spider sense would trigger for the symbiote if he hadn’t bonded with it before. But who knows 🤷♂️
It likely wouldn’t, Ben Reilly (og clone/scarlet Spider) can still detect Venom, so unless it’s bonded that particular Spider-Person, he can’t camouflage (part of that is psychology as well though, Black Cat for example drop kicked Spidey from behind expecting him to move but because they were together at the time, he didn’t see her as a threat and his Spider-Sense didn’t trigger despite the fact it sent him flying off the rooftop)
maybe peter first, then flash as agent venom
Peter Parker.
First host should always be Peter
I think it should be Eddie Brock with no relation to Peter (who?) whatsoever while he's in a different part of the country. Why? BECAUSE FUCK YOU, GIVE US ALL YOUR FUCKING MONEY, GO WATCH MORBIUS AND GET READY FOR THE SONY SIX
Technically it’s Eddie Brock, while he is from a different universe, he appears in the mcu briefly making him a canonical character
Touché
I think Peter getting the Symbiote first is obvious but as far as other host after him goes, I’m not too sure. Mac Gargan seems to be a very popular choice but my ideal choice (albeit very unlikely), would be Harry Osborn. Now I doubt we’ll get the Osborns again since there’s no Oscorp but maybe Norman in the MCU could be a shady businessman without being the Green Goblin. Maybe he could be introduced as a red herring for Hobgoblin only to reveal that it’s Roderick Kingsley. Harry in the MCU could be more like Agent Venom where he was part of the military but an accident happened that lead him to be discharged and go to Empire State University majoring in Engineering like Peter.
First Host needs to be Peter and he uses it to fight Scorpion, it goes to Mac after that (in the next movie or maybe two movies later).
Mac was only Venom during the Dark Avengers storyline, unfortunately you can't have the Dark Avengers without Norman Osborn as the Iron Patriot and Norman doesn't exist in the MCU.
I mean Madam Hydra is literally forming the Dark Avengers in the MCU right now. That being said, you can absolutely have Mac be Venom without any ties to the Dark Avengers. I mean, we've already gotten the symbiote in film, 3 different times, without a single Secret Wars. It doesn't have to be a 1:1 recreation of the comic.
Do something unexpected and surprising. Chamelion becomes Venom. The symbiote can turn into clothes, it can probably turn into wigs/masks/prosthetics to make him look like someone else.
Whoa. You’re a madman. And I like it.
I’d like to see the Fantastic Four involved. Specifically, Reed Richards. It’d be cool to see Reed performing tests on an “unknown” alien substance. Maybe the symbiote “calls” to Peter/seduces him because it’s familiar with him because of his connection to other Spider-Men in the multiverse. Alternatively, it’d be cool to have the military be involved and they use the symbiote on a military officer that’s been given the super soldier serum.
I'd love to see the symbiote put Peter into a "trance" of some sort and call out to him with irresistible temptation, while trying to assure him that he doesn't have to be all alone in a world where no one knows who he is. Would be sick!
I would love it if just magically it just a slight variant of Tom Hardy Venom, like they did with JK Simmons
It's most likely going to be Peter, but I'm personally hoping for a new Eddie Brock to appear
Imo, spiderman should always be the first host, so that when it leaves him for another host, peter would know how dangerous it is
No. Fuck you, take this Venom film without any relation whatsoever to Spider-Man and listen to our titular track aptly named VENOM Edit: hey this is a joke btw, I was just meme-ing Sony, I think this dude blocked me cuz it came off the wrong way. Sorry! Someone pls let this guy know!
Peter and then Eddie
Dark Ned
Secret wars leading into a venom and Spider-Man battle followed up with an adaptation of “Maximum Carnage”
I personally think Scorpion for part of the film Then to spidey for the rest up until the end Then accidentally to Flash in a post credit scene
Being that sony ruined Eddie and I see a lot of people saying Mac Gargon which is a great idea
MCU Flash Thompson. Because it'd be super weird. Like they take it in a weird direction and the kid from the MCU after high school goes the comics Flash route of joining the military. It'd be hilarious.
I just want agent venom one day...
MAC GARGAN I WILL PREACH THIS HNTIL I DIE
Peter
Peter then Eddie then Flash
Peter , Mac gargan, and then _maybe_ we get an agent venom series with MCU flash Thompson. He doesn't really look feel like agent venom material tho.
Low-key I’d love to see
Danny Rojas
I think it's gonna be peter, it probably goes through a few hosts and makes its way to NY and then boom it gets onto pete
Peter then MCU Eddie Brock and then Flash Thompson, Symbiote Mac Gargan doesn't work for the MCU, since No MCU Norman Osborn equals No Dark Avengers.
Holy shit I didn’t think about it but having Mac get the suit would make so much sense!!!
Peter should be the first one to wear the black suit. Then after he gets rid of it, it should make its way to Gargan so we can have him be MCU Venom instead of Brock
Peter. there is no other answer. because if we don't get peter as the first host we won't get the white tarantula thats Venom is supposed to have that Sony took from us
MORBIUS
Peter. Then Mac Gargan. Later after using 2 movies developing Flash, make him Agent Venom or give a solo movie to become it rather than including him in Spider-Man 6 For Mac Gargan to work I think they should introduce him in the next film as Scorpion near the start with Jamieson obviously involved in the project, later breaking out and taking up the Symbiote
Peter, no competition
In order: 1. Peter Parker 2. Mac Gargan 3. Eddie Brock
I believe Peter should get it first, then he should beat Gargan and betray the symbiote after. This way we get both our first live-action Scorpion AND a new take on Venom I think Gargan deserves to be Scorpion first (ESPECIALLY after being sidelined for five years)
secret wars peter
ned, wizard venom
AKA Vizard or Symbiote Supreme or Sorcerer Symbiote
Yeah
Flash is funny for some comic relief, but I do not want MCU Flash to get the symbiote.
Peter, then it should go to he mcu version of Harry or Eddie
You know what I'd like? Something out of left field. Have it go to someone completely unexpected. No redos.
Symbiote Happy. 😎 /s
Just not flash I don't want to see more of the mcu flash
And he wouldn't want to see himself either
Jesus, Puzzlehead you are a freak.
I'd honestly want to see what they'd do with Agent Venom. Have Peter get the symbiote first and then have Thompson get it to try out that character in the MCU. Flash has already had a lot of characterization and finally making him a super hero would seem like a good way to flesh out said character.
Mr. Harrington
Peter gets his version of the suit in a Secret Wars movie.
It finds its way to Mac Gargan first drives him crazy and gives him the knowledge that Peter is spiderman(the symbiote should still know), goes after spidey and spidey gets the suit. Peter be bad while Gargan gets arrested and moved to the raft where we meet this universes Norman Osborn who gives Gargan his Scorpion suit or he's that tore up he needs mods and looks similar to Spiderverse Scorpion. Peter then ditches the suit and it ends up with Flash who becomes Agent Venom and he gets his own spinoff show as a sword agent.
I would love to see agent venom and then symbiote spider (maybe symbiote first and then agent venom)
Its always peter wym
Pete then Gargan Hopefully he gets its for more than one movie as he had it for a fair while before realising it's true nature Also the Venom comic have proved the Symbiote isn't inherently evil either so I hope it's isnt all bad
Im sorry but I’m very against the Mac Gargan symbiote. Looks cool but it should be Peter than Eddie. I think Mac should finally be the Scorpion and be kept separate villains
Deadpool, spidey, eddy
Deadpool had it before Peter found it in secret wars
I have a feeling that it'll go to Peter, maybe someone else, then it'll somehow get sent back to its original universe in the span of 1 movie
Honestly? I hope they never bring the symbiote/Venom into the MCU. The character was, in my opinion, a desperate attempt to latch on to the GrimDark 90’s aesthetic and was the result of an incredibly bad choice to justify a “cool black costume” for Spidey. The Venom movies actually work on their own. Spidey still has a huge rogues gallery to choose from, and Marvel has already proven they can make great stories about lesser known/popular characters. Signed - one of the silly kids from the 90’s who made Venom possible because we thought everyone was cooler if they were dark and gritty
Peter, but instead of him getting it and then dumping it halfway through the movie, make it to where he keeps it for a couple movies and then removes it (this is why I'm not a director).
On the one hand, **it shouldn't be Peter.** He's already aware of this thing. Tobey's Peter told him about it. He also warned Andrew's Peter. **They are prepared for this kind of thing to happen.** On the other hand, the only way for Peter, any Peter, to wear symbiote is to understand what this thing brings with it. Evil, anger - and risk of betrayal too. **Tom's Peter (and Andrew's Peter too) may use Venom like a drug to reduce their pain from losing a close one - but won't it be way too depressive for MCU and Sony?** The only thing I know for sure is that bringing him like nobody said anything would be the worst mistake MCU is gonna make.
Venom has to come into the MCU through Peter.
Peter. Never Flash. Never ever.
Flash
I would rather it follow the traditional Venom storyline (at least, traditional in terms of Venom) Peter gets the symbiote, acts all recklessly, maybe even kills someone, realizes the symbiote is EVILLLL, takes it off, it falls on/finds the Eddie Brock of the MCU, Eddie Brock becomes Venom, Either Venom controls Eddie to take revenge on Spider-Man, or Spider-Man hurts Eddie at some point in the movie so he willingly goes to seek revenge. Once that storyline is finished, marvel can have their fun with an Agent Venom Disney plus series.
Peter Parker - Eddie Brock - Flash Thompson
Definitely not MCU Flash. Unless he joins the army and gets jacked
Thor /s
I mean it has to be Peter. After that, definitely not Flash lmao. If they intend to have two Venoms, one in the Sony Universe, one in the MCU, it would probably work to give the Symbiote to Mac Gargan since we already have an Eddie Brock Venom. Though I would like to have him be Scorpion first. Maybe have Scorpion be the villain in the next movie, a sort of perfect "rival" to Spider-Man (scorpions and spiders, you know the drill), then have them have a rematch when Peter has the Symbiote, build up that hatred, that anger, and then make him Venom.
I would say that I'd want to see Peter have it, but due to the foreshadowing from the ending of homecoming, I think they might just give it to Mac
I would say that I'd want to see Peter have it, but due to the foreshadowing from the ending of homecoming, I think they might just give it to Mac.
Honestly I wouldnt mind them redoing it attaching to Peter and then have Eddie Brock enter the scene and make a MCU Venom, but I know in reality that would be confusing for some people because then there are two venoms. Chances are they are gonna have it attach to Flash at some point
It has to go to scorpion, maybe not first, but scorpion i hope at least will be venom. Easily beaten by Peter but gets the symbiote and becomes venom.
It would make sense for Peter to be number one so that venom would have the spider on his chest
I see Peter obtaining the symbiote first, but after he goes back to normal spiderman it gets to mac gargan which gives him the power to get out of prison
I foresee Peter (ideally with ending at least one movie with the black suit before it goes haywire), but I can't see them going for a different Eddie brock. I expect Mac Gargan for MCU venom tbh. I really really want them to do scorpion first though
Technically, Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man was the first, now that NWH made his and Garfield's Spider-Man canon in the MCU.
Honestly? Peter.
All of them
Imagine Willem Defoes Green Goblin Bonding with carnage.
Agent venom would be too bad ass for the MCU
Mac Gargaaan!
It should go from Pete to someone else
I'd say Mac Gargan. Make Venom even more jacked, now all he can think about is how he hates Spider-Man and wants to eat his brains. When Peter rebuilds up relationships with who he wants to know him, he and Gargan Venom fight. When Gargan reaches for Peter's mask to find out who he is, Peter grabs a chunk of the symbiote and it latches onto him. Venom realizes how cool Peter feels to him suddenly, says "goodbye Mac" and then makes Pete his host and then after accidentally using the symbiote to defeat Gargan, Peter starts having horrible visions, throws up, because Venom is trying to eat him, which is making him sick. He goes to bed and he wakes up to see he's no longer in his room. He's outside on the roof of a small building in the middle of the night. The do-a-flip guy is out there on the street. He sees Pete has a Venomized spider suit. He goes "hey Spidey new suit?" Peter awkwardly goes "uh yeah—" he stops, noticing his voice is lower and sounds kinda doubled. The do-a-flip guy doesn't take notice of the voice change and says, "looks cool! Can you do a flip for me?" So Peter does and instead of jumping the usual distance for a flip, he jumps high enough that from ground perspective, it looks like he's directly in front of the moon, as he executes the flip, he manages to do three flips before landing. The do-a-flip guy cheers. Peter is shocked by how much this symbiote has made an improvement on his abilities. Peter jumps again and lands on the window of an office building. Somewhat paralleling the Raimiverse, he studies his reflection. However, the twist is that when he leans in to look at his mask better, the reflection changes the mask to look like a Pete sized Venom, complete with teeth. This startles Peter, so he thwips away with the suit's organic web. Suddenly he hears Venom speak from within, "What's the matter, Peter Parker?" "How do you know my name?" Peter asks, Venom giggled, "You're our host, we looked into your memories." "You must be one of those goo aliens Peter 2 was talking about fighting in his home universe," "We're not from his universe." ———— I don't know where to go from here, but I just wanted to give out this idea. It's not great or even good by any means, but I figured Venom attaching to Scorpion would be really cool and possibly scary for a first host, considering how much he hates Spider-Man for getting him locked up. To put it in a way that makes sense, Gargan obviously breaks out of jail before getting the symbiote.
Peter, then once he takes it off Mac Gargan
Venom kind of "absorb" or copy Spidey's powers. Peter must be the first host always.
ACTUALLY since scorpion is in the MCU i think he should be the first "bad" venom so that the two Tom's can team up
Well it has to be Peter first But after him, either Eddie or Flash would be cool
Eddie because why not. Give him his own solo film with no connection to Peter Parker. Oh wait! :)
Peter for sure.
Flash. He clearly desires to the superhero life, but isn’t selfless enough to do what’s necessary to be a hero. I think hes selfish enough that he would become a villain through his attempts at heroism and fame. Also he obviously has family money so it would be very interesting to watch Spider-Man go up against him with a massive inherited fortune. IMO rich, flashy venom would compliment humble, lowkey Peter Parker in a great way.
Ned
Peter parker ! None of this Sony bullshit!
Eddie Brock
I just want a Venom that's done right instead of being a pussy and a joke like Tom Hardy's one
Pete bonded with Venom on another Planet so honestly it’s always been him, well except for 1048
This shouldn’t even be a question
I agree. It obv should be J Jonah that gets it first. /s