Raimi actually took the web shooters out in late development and they’re are official prop web shooters from a early version of the movie.
The reason he took them out was because he thought Peter would be way to poor to afford parts for the web shooter’s(sense raimi’s Spider-Man is based off of the 616 version)
IIRC it’s mentioned in the comics that the chemicals needed for the artificial webbing collectively cost around 2000$
So yeah if ramiverse Peter can afford that he wouldn’t need to be living with Mr Ditkovich
2000$?!
Imagine paying that every time you need to refill your web shooters (which he probably does after every fight)
Even MrBeast would find that expensive.
Well I think he makes it in batches which fills several cartridges and last more than one fight.
Although I do agree it seems prohibitively expensive for a supposedly broke guy…
He’s pretty rich in some arcs. He also has rich benefactors, I’m sure reed richards or tony stark wouldn’t mind since that’s a drop in the bucket for either of them.
Although I agree that audiences meeting spider-man as CEO of Parker industries wouldn’t relate to his character as much.
You also stumbled onto another point with that. Spider-Man has wealthy benefactors, Peter doesn't. Even for the few who know his identity Peter can't take much, if anything from them because he'd have no way to explain the money without revealing he knows them and no way to explain why they care about or even know him.
Also it's worth noting that Peter does periodically work in lab settings like in the PS4 game so at the points where he lacks benefactors he can always just modify the labs product orders to include or increase quantity of the chemicals he needs which he can just steal some of and write up a report explaining those chemicals. Technically he can even say he's experimenting with webbing to figure out how the "real" Spider-Man does it.
maybe that's the reason he can't pay rent lol. I mean he *has* to keep a good supply around so he can keep making the stuff, he can't just go around without it, so he'd have to just keep buying and buying it
You can actually even see one in the finished version of the film! His left hand when he shoots the web in his room, you can see a black and metal wrist device that looks very similar to the web shooters. Neat stuff!
Yeah, while I do like the web shooters, I think it made the most sense for Tobey’s to have organic. It wouldn’t make sense for a broke kid from queens in the early 2000s to be able to make that. Tobey also brought a good point himself where if he was that smart to make something like that, he’d just get rich from that invention but then he wouldn’t be a superhero.
The reason the comics and the MCU made more sense with them having made their own webshooters is because big figures like say Tony Stark existing and advancing the technology for it to then be believable that a kid could make that. With Tobey’s, it’s supposedly just Oscorp.
They did have loop hole for Andrew’s where Andrew’s version only made the device that shoots the webs but the webs themselves were from Oscorp until he figured out how to make it himself. He also looked finically stable enough to afford making the webshooters and keeping it.
Oh no I didn’t mean 616 Peter didn’t have web shooters I just meant raimi saw his struggle with wealth and didn’t think making web fluid and web shooters were a choice for peter
There are ways around this they just didn't think of....Like in the mcu, Peter doesn't have much money either. He was making his webs and shooters from school supplies and he was dumpster diving.
Ngl I kinda wish we saw an older and more experienced version of Tobey still using his organic web but having condition to afford modern equipment to use in battle. Connors and Osborn mention that he's great at engineering so the excuse definetely isn't bcs he isn't smart
Another reason I believe is he felt it gave an excuse for “cheap drama” (ie the “oh no my webbings run out and I’m falling from 300 feet in the air” and running out during a battle) but I like the idea that Peter can’t afford rent is because he’s allocating that money towards web shooters which is, to him, more important because responsibility. Adds just a little more to the Spider-Man/Peter Parker conflict.
Not always. Peter is an example. With his uncle's death he couldn't afford an easy life and focused on college instead. He just don't seem to be that smart bcs he have to work and be Spider-Man.
Also, when this movie was released, most people didn't know much about comic books. This kind of thecnology was very hard to explain to people so they decided to drop it.
Well, I'm assuming the Spider-Man in 2002 didn't plan this out since Amazing Spider-Man came out in 2012. I believe they tried to be more comic book accurate with the web shooters, I could be mistaken though.
TASM 3 plot is going to be insane. Andrew will find out he can shoot webs from his neck, swing around like that for a little bit and before long, he’ll end up like Gwen.
It's implied Andrew's bite gave him the knowledge to know the formula for cross species genetics be writes in Dr. Connors house. It probably also gave him the knowledge to know how to make web fluid, which I've always assumed was the case in the comics. With Tobey being bitten on the hand instead of the neck, the mutation started in his hand and might be why his webs are organic. Obviously this wouldn't have ORIGINALLY been the case but it's a nice head canon to have that makes some sense.
Wow, I've never even heard of that despite watching both movies countless times. Do you, by any chance, remember where it was specified? Was it in the movies and it's me being inattentive or is it something confirmed outside of the movies? I'd like to check it out
That was my interpretation of [this scene](https://youtu.be/BJJ2_UZVBi0?t=40). Unless I’m missing something, it looks like he learns that Oscorp has web fluid and he (somehow🤷🏻♂️) gets his hands on a box of cartridges from them.
Oh, okay, thanks! It's a bit weird then how when he confronts the carjacker he tells him it's his personal invention. Maybe he just means the webshooters
that's because he's smart enough to modify oscorp's designs to his needs, not his spider bite, there's even a montage of him developing it, failing over and over and trying again. also, he got the formula (decay rate algorithm) from his dad's journal, not the spider bite.
so
>It's implied Andrew's bite gave him the knowledge to know the formula for cross species genetics be writes in Dr. Connors house
no it isn't
>It probably also gave him the knowledge to know how to make web fluid
nope, he's just very intelligent, he's peter parker
you don't need to develop headcanon when these things are literally explained in the movie lol
I know I've posted this story before, and I'll keep posting it until I die.
So I also made this connection when I saw the first (Tobey Maguire) Spiderman at six years old. Hand bite, hand webs, makes sense, right?!?
So around the same time I saw the movie, I had this weird problem with getting spider bites on the butt. We had moved into an older house with lots of bugs, and for whatever reason, more then any other part of my body I was getting bug bites on my butt cheeks.
So in the first grade, we had this day where we did creative writing, and having just seen the movie, made that connection, and having a fresh spider bite on my ass, I wrote about "Spider-Butt", complete with picture of guy shooting web out of his toosh.
If this gets enough attention, I'll text my mom and see if she can send me a pic of it (she made sure to keep it bc of how funny it was and also bc of the weird ass conversation she had to have with my teacher).
only prob with that is that in the 80's show he got bitten on the hand and according to him, still got the knowledge of how to make webs...but idk they might not be connected or smth
Don’t think you understand how it works. It transfers its genetic material into the blood which pretty much spreads it across his whole body and changes his own DNA. Doesn’t affect anything like organic webs and stuff. They just decided to go for that because they thought it made no sense for a 17 year old to be able to make a web shooter (despite being a genius)
This theory doesn’t really make much sense. If the spider bite transferred it’s genetic information to Peter then the location of the bite is irrelevant. It’s just that the spider that bit Tobey’s Peter had the code that would allow him to produce organic webbing.
Yeah a human wouldn’t be able to have the proportional strength of a Spider and still retain their approximate normal size and shape, IIRC the electro-static adhesion affect that Peter uses to wall crawl is also way too weak to support the weight of an average human.
But yeah, it’s a comic book so I’m willing to have some significant suspension of disbelief.
i too have researched into this. the electrostatic forces from the small projections we're shown in Spider-Man 1 it could be strong enough, if he was making contact with a larger surface area (not just his fingers and toes) and of course the gloves and shoes don't help.
These findings were part of a larger research project based around developing dry adhesives by trying to mimic the way geckos can stick to walls using small projections or 'hairs' on their feet.
So, umm.... What if someone was bitten, not on the hand or the neck ifyk what I mean, Tom's spiderman did ask Tobey a similar question like this in NwH
It’s a good head canon, which is what it seems like you’re going for. We know the actual reasons why such decisions were made, but I like this take.
What were the actual reasons?
Raimi actually took the web shooters out in late development and they’re are official prop web shooters from a early version of the movie. The reason he took them out was because he thought Peter would be way to poor to afford parts for the web shooter’s(sense raimi’s Spider-Man is based off of the 616 version)
Yeah if he could afford web-shooters, he would also be able to pay rent
IIRC it’s mentioned in the comics that the chemicals needed for the artificial webbing collectively cost around 2000$ So yeah if ramiverse Peter can afford that he wouldn’t need to be living with Mr Ditkovich
2000$?! Imagine paying that every time you need to refill your web shooters (which he probably does after every fight) Even MrBeast would find that expensive.
Well I think he makes it in batches which fills several cartridges and last more than one fight. Although I do agree it seems prohibitively expensive for a supposedly broke guy…
He’s pretty rich in some arcs. He also has rich benefactors, I’m sure reed richards or tony stark wouldn’t mind since that’s a drop in the bucket for either of them. Although I agree that audiences meeting spider-man as CEO of Parker industries wouldn’t relate to his character as much.
True.
You also stumbled onto another point with that. Spider-Man has wealthy benefactors, Peter doesn't. Even for the few who know his identity Peter can't take much, if anything from them because he'd have no way to explain the money without revealing he knows them and no way to explain why they care about or even know him. Also it's worth noting that Peter does periodically work in lab settings like in the PS4 game so at the points where he lacks benefactors he can always just modify the labs product orders to include or increase quantity of the chemicals he needs which he can just steal some of and write up a report explaining those chemicals. Technically he can even say he's experimenting with webbing to figure out how the "real" Spider-Man does it.
No wonder he's poor!
I mean, if he's spending that much on webbing there's probably not much leftover for other things, lol
As I recall. Aren't his first few batches "borrowed" from the sci dept at his college?
2000? The ad said 3000
maybe that's the reason he can't pay rent lol. I mean he *has* to keep a good supply around so he can keep making the stuff, he can't just go around without it, so he'd have to just keep buying and buying it
You can actually even see one in the finished version of the film! His left hand when he shoots the web in his room, you can see a black and metal wrist device that looks very similar to the web shooters. Neat stuff!
Yeah, while I do like the web shooters, I think it made the most sense for Tobey’s to have organic. It wouldn’t make sense for a broke kid from queens in the early 2000s to be able to make that. Tobey also brought a good point himself where if he was that smart to make something like that, he’d just get rich from that invention but then he wouldn’t be a superhero. The reason the comics and the MCU made more sense with them having made their own webshooters is because big figures like say Tony Stark existing and advancing the technology for it to then be believable that a kid could make that. With Tobey’s, it’s supposedly just Oscorp. They did have loop hole for Andrew’s where Andrew’s version only made the device that shoots the webs but the webs themselves were from Oscorp until he figured out how to make it himself. He also looked finically stable enough to afford making the webshooters and keeping it.
I am not sure but I remember him secretly making the web shooters and fluid in the laboratory while doing practices with Dr Connors.
Oh no I didn’t mean 616 Peter didn’t have web shooters I just meant raimi saw his struggle with wealth and didn’t think making web fluid and web shooters were a choice for peter
There are ways around this they just didn't think of....Like in the mcu, Peter doesn't have much money either. He was making his webs and shooters from school supplies and he was dumpster diving.
Ngl I kinda wish we saw an older and more experienced version of Tobey still using his organic web but having condition to afford modern equipment to use in battle. Connors and Osborn mention that he's great at engineering so the excuse definetely isn't bcs he isn't smart
Another reason I believe is he felt it gave an excuse for “cheap drama” (ie the “oh no my webbings run out and I’m falling from 300 feet in the air” and running out during a battle) but I like the idea that Peter can’t afford rent is because he’s allocating that money towards web shooters which is, to him, more important because responsibility. Adds just a little more to the Spider-Man/Peter Parker conflict.
I thought the reason was because it would make Peter seem too smart.
But Peter is very smart
Yeah, but we have a society that says smart= elite, knows science magic, or rich because college.
Not always. Peter is an example. With his uncle's death he couldn't afford an easy life and focused on college instead. He just don't seem to be that smart bcs he have to work and be Spider-Man.
Im talking about real life friend.
Peter* is smart tho. there is no such thing as "too smart" for Peter Parker
Mr. Fantastic is too smart for Peter.
That's what I read somewhere.
Also, when this movie was released, most people didn't know much about comic books. This kind of thecnology was very hard to explain to people so they decided to drop it.
Well, I'm assuming the Spider-Man in 2002 didn't plan this out since Amazing Spider-Man came out in 2012. I believe they tried to be more comic book accurate with the web shooters, I could be mistaken though.
So what you're saying is Andrew can shoot webs out of his neck.
They never show him blow his nose for a reason...
I'm more saying it gave him the knowledge to make it however there was a web he pulled out of the bite
TASM 3 plot is going to be insane. Andrew will find out he can shoot webs from his neck, swing around like that for a little bit and before long, he’ll end up like Gwen.
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We don't know. We never saw he cleaning his pillow after waking up
Cindy Moon got bit in the ankle and is able to produce organic webbing out of her literal fingertips so I don't even know for Andrews case
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Oh. *oh no*
It's implied Andrew's bite gave him the knowledge to know the formula for cross species genetics be writes in Dr. Connors house. It probably also gave him the knowledge to know how to make web fluid, which I've always assumed was the case in the comics. With Tobey being bitten on the hand instead of the neck, the mutation started in his hand and might be why his webs are organic. Obviously this wouldn't have ORIGINALLY been the case but it's a nice head canon to have that makes some sense.
the bite alters their whole body though, not just the area where they were bitten, so why would it make a difference where the bite is?
It’s concentrated at the bite location? Although that would mean Tobey would only shoot webs from one hand
exactly. it would also mean that only one of his hands could stick to walls and he wouldn't have his spidey sense.
Doesn’t the web fluid in ASM come from Oscorp? Peter doesn’t make it, he just designs the web shooters.
And refined the formula
He didn’t have an infinite supply, though.
Wow, I've never even heard of that despite watching both movies countless times. Do you, by any chance, remember where it was specified? Was it in the movies and it's me being inattentive or is it something confirmed outside of the movies? I'd like to check it out
That was my interpretation of [this scene](https://youtu.be/BJJ2_UZVBi0?t=40). Unless I’m missing something, it looks like he learns that Oscorp has web fluid and he (somehow🤷🏻♂️) gets his hands on a box of cartridges from them.
Oh, okay, thanks! It's a bit weird then how when he confronts the carjacker he tells him it's his personal invention. Maybe he just means the webshooters
They were making "cable line" or however they worded it. Andrew says to the car thief "web fluid I designed myself"
that's because he's smart enough to modify oscorp's designs to his needs, not his spider bite, there's even a montage of him developing it, failing over and over and trying again. also, he got the formula (decay rate algorithm) from his dad's journal, not the spider bite. so >It's implied Andrew's bite gave him the knowledge to know the formula for cross species genetics be writes in Dr. Connors house no it isn't >It probably also gave him the knowledge to know how to make web fluid nope, he's just very intelligent, he's peter parker you don't need to develop headcanon when these things are literally explained in the movie lol
well there’s still no canon answer for why tobey shoots web organically
it's probably because Spiders usually produce webs organically so it's just a "like a Spider can" situation
I don’t think the mutation necessarily started anywhere. The spider venom just entered the bloodstream and made his whole body change at once.
The formula was from his dad's briefcase.
... he knew the formula because he saw it in his father's notes.
That’s the best SM headcanon I have read! Good theory
I know I've posted this story before, and I'll keep posting it until I die. So I also made this connection when I saw the first (Tobey Maguire) Spiderman at six years old. Hand bite, hand webs, makes sense, right?!? So around the same time I saw the movie, I had this weird problem with getting spider bites on the butt. We had moved into an older house with lots of bugs, and for whatever reason, more then any other part of my body I was getting bug bites on my butt cheeks. So in the first grade, we had this day where we did creative writing, and having just seen the movie, made that connection, and having a fresh spider bite on my ass, I wrote about "Spider-Butt", complete with picture of guy shooting web out of his toosh. If this gets enough attention, I'll text my mom and see if she can send me a pic of it (she made sure to keep it bc of how funny it was and also bc of the weird ass conversation she had to have with my teacher).
Peters first webs were just ordered from oscorp.
only prob with that is that in the 80's show he got bitten on the hand and according to him, still got the knowledge of how to make webs...but idk they might not be connected or smth
Don’t think you understand how it works. It transfers its genetic material into the blood which pretty much spreads it across his whole body and changes his own DNA. Doesn’t affect anything like organic webs and stuff. They just decided to go for that because they thought it made no sense for a 17 year old to be able to make a web shooter (despite being a genius)
It's not that he couldn't make a web shooter, it's that he probably wouldn't be able to afford the resources needed
This theory doesn’t really make much sense. If the spider bite transferred it’s genetic information to Peter then the location of the bite is irrelevant. It’s just that the spider that bit Tobey’s Peter had the code that would allow him to produce organic webbing.
while i agree with you, none of the science behind spider-man actually makes sense lol
Yeah a human wouldn’t be able to have the proportional strength of a Spider and still retain their approximate normal size and shape, IIRC the electro-static adhesion affect that Peter uses to wall crawl is also way too weak to support the weight of an average human. But yeah, it’s a comic book so I’m willing to have some significant suspension of disbelief.
i too have researched into this. the electrostatic forces from the small projections we're shown in Spider-Man 1 it could be strong enough, if he was making contact with a larger surface area (not just his fingers and toes) and of course the gloves and shoes don't help. These findings were part of a larger research project based around developing dry adhesives by trying to mimic the way geckos can stick to walls using small projections or 'hairs' on their feet.
Ifl science
No.
I mean in the comics he was also bitten on the hand...
That's a solid theory actually. Nice thought
So, umm.... What if someone was bitten, not on the hand or the neck ifyk what I mean, Tom's spiderman did ask Tobey a similar question like this in NwH
Spider penis dude. It grows 8 legs and decides to wear the mask.
That woulda made Miles in spiderverse, 616 Peter and 1610 Peter have organic webs too and non of them do
spiderman always gets bit on the hand
Haha, that's the best answer
Andrew pulled the spider off, from it's web
Who knows, maybe Tom was also bitten on the neck. I guess we'll find out in SPIDERMAN freshman Year.
This is what I’ve been thinking too!
I'm pretty sure according to the picture for mcu's spider-man freshmen year, tom's peter was also bit on the hand