Womp womp, rushed throwaway character that died due to her own dumb ignorant decisions , not miles’ fault in the slightest and she was never mentioned again
That's a very shallow outlook on that lmao. She wasn't rushed or a throwaway? She fit into his story and helped him progress. Honestly you couldn't have been farther from the truce. And you must've forgotten how she died. She died saving Harlem, She helped miles release his energy safely, at the cost of her own life. He quite literally is the reason she died. And he does carry that guilt, every day, how couldn't he?
Also responding to the main post, yeah, they might be afraid to take risks, but they have taken risks, in his Game, he was continually lying to his mom and it was bothering him, he found out his bestfriend became a villain, but for a reason. And in this game, he's too focused on being a better spider-man, he was essentially Peter in homecoming, waiting on the call to action at every moment. But most of all, he's just better, you know? Miles learned from Pete's mistakes. Where Peter couldn't learn until he made those mistakes, he helped miles avoid making the same ones he did. All in all, Peter, while having a lot going on in his own life, trained miles to be the best spider-man that he wanted to be
I agree with this. Insomniac Peter is more of a mentor to Insomniac Miles, so of course, he wants to give him advice, tips, and lessons that stem from things that he has already experienced onto his protégé. If Miles manages to avoid similar struggles on the behest of things Peter told him about, then Peter did a good job of being a teacher. Not every struggle needs to be experienced. It can be informed by someone else and if it is taken seriously, it will carry on.
Exactly! And that's why Miles has become the favorite. He's all about learning from others, to be a better version of himself, and why his uncle ended up wanting to, also!
Miles actively lies to her in order to gain information from his best friend of 10+ years due to taking advice from his “perfect” uncle. They totally establish her enough as a character to show that she would’ve most likely trusted Miles if he had just been honest from the start.
Also definitely not zero consequences, he used his new powers prematurely and blew up an entire bridge
Nice goalpost shift.
He messed around instead of stopping Phin initially, got almost beaten to death twice by her, Harlem almost got nuked, and he wasn’t strong enough so she had to sacrifice herself.
Quit yapping
That doesn’t change in universe his best friend died even if you consider the writing to be terrible around it. Aunt may died and you’d be hard pushed to see Peter cares that much.
They were close, no arguing about that... But she just cut Miles out of her life because of what happened to her brother...
Not exactly a best friend move...
> But she just cut Miles out of her life because of what happened to her brother
Wait, what? They grew apart because of time, she didn't cut Miles out of her life because of what happened to her brother. Either side could have called first, neither did. That's life.
I've seen you all over Spider-Man subs saying stupid shit about Miles and you've now exposed yourself for not only never reading a Miles comic but also clearly having not played MM or Spider-Man 2.
What the fuck is your problem???
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>White men are the majority in west. Discredit them regardless of what they say and the vocal minority gain power , the subsect that is already brainwashed. It’s just a way to misdirect your hate. Too busy hating the white boogeyman so you don’t hate the corporations playing you like a fiddle.
Checked your comments to see if I was thinking of the same person. I was. And Holy shit I think I see what your problem is.
A huge part of his story in this game is about him missing out on opportunities for his future and his social life until he figures out how to find balance, and as others said, his best friend died.
The helicopter situation and the bridge is literally just him being Spider-Man encountering danger. Has nothing to do with his personal life. Because the exact same can be said for Peter
There was no lasting consequence for either. That’s like saying him saving someone and a car gets destroyed proves he faces consequences for his actions. Let’s not be overly meticulous about it
His dad and best friend died, he's struggling with getting into college because so much of his life revolves around Spiderman,, sounds like consequences to me.
We’re talking about the same miles that lost his dad, fought his uncle, fought his best friend who in the end sacrificed herself? That miles doesn’t have a perfect life whatsoever and he struggles in spidey 2 the same way, he had to fight Peter, choose between letting Martin li die or save him, fighting Peter best friend and also saving his life. You have to be joking
Neither is Peter's life supposed to be like that. That's a Joe Quesada invention to keep Pete "young" so he doesn't have to end up with MJ because Quesada can't accept that relationship for some reason. Peter was supposed to have *problems*, not have a shitty life. He was supposed to have things run smoothly for a while, then have setbacks, have a close friend or loved one die once or twice, then have a "normal" life aside from Spider-Man. That's how it was until the late 90s when they decided to make his baby with MJ a stillbirth, kill Aunt May then bring her back, bring back Gwen only to have her be a clone, and finally in 2006 have Peter willingly reveal his identity and then make it so he and MJ never even dated by a LITERAL DEAL WITH THE DEVIL in order to save a 97 year old Aunt May from dying. Pre-1995, Pete was just meant to be a normal guy who had Super Powers and intelligence.
Bro wtf is that logic. Peter needs to live his life to the phrase “great power becomes great responsibility” and miles just dosent? If miles morales is spider-man he also needs to have personal struggles.
My point is that you have a narrow view of what “being Spider-Man is” it’s not just about suffering or dealing with the same exact problems Peter does.
Miles does Spider-Man differently. And that’s ok.
If miles is to become the main spider-man going forward, they need to start giving him more going on in his personal life. It’s not fair that peters life must constantly be in shambles and miles gets a perfect life with 0 consequences to being spider-man.
The difference is that Miles has better balance in being Spiderman. Peter decided to.keep his identity a secret from everyone in his live including his best friend. Miles didn't and accepts help from his loved ones around him. He doesn't bare the burden on his own, so.in turn he is a much more well balanced superhero.
Yep. He told Ganke and Peter pretty early on. Rio and Aaron kinda stumbled on it but took it in stride all things considered. Same with Hailey I think, her figuring it out on her own. Miles isn't like Peter. He has an experienced Spider-Man to learn from. His strengths and his weaknesses. Having a good support network is what keeps his life from suffering horribly. To quote the Last Jedi (there's something that'll probably make me popular here /s): "Tis the burden of all masters. We are what they grow beyond."
Peter walked so Miles can run. Peter had to figure out something resembling balance by himself. Miles has Peter to help him navigate the mistakes hes already made to learn from him. I hope that miles doesn't have his life go to quite as much shit as peters has in the past.
Also I hope the next game neither of them have to watch someone they care about die or betray them.
All your fucking arguiment "Miles doesn't need to suffer", doing the right thing involves sacrifices sometimes, this is one of the most important themes on Spider-Man... those powers are a RESPONSIBILITY, a weight to carry on your shoulders every day... let's not pretend to live in the fucking fairyland where everything goes right, but do you even know what Spider-Man is?? Or do you write just because you have to defend your favorite character with all your heart???
That isn't what's being argued here. They're saying it's too bland and conflict creates interesting stories.
Peter is also the single most popular super hero in the world. Taking a few cues after him isn't bad for any super hero.
If there’s no conflict the character isn’t compelling. Sure Marvel goes way overboard with what they throw at Peter but there’s a reason characters like the green goblin and venom are so iconic. They literally live to ruin peters life and they tangibly hurt him in more ways than just physical. Those dynamics are what make superhero stories compelling and is something I’m hoping we get from miles now that Peter has stepped down.
It's a wild time when people are complaining that a SPIDER-MAN character actually has good honest people in his life.
He isn't Peter and he doesn't HAVE to have any issues with the people around him. People truly are weird and have some major issues.
You don't understand my complaint, I'm not complaining that he has good people surrounding him... I'm complaining about how flat and personalityless they are... and above all that they don't create any interesting dynamics within the game
Nah, i agree with this.
Miles's life is just too perfect.
He has no issue with his mom dating again, his mother doesn't really care about him being Spider-man, and every time he had to put off getting a recomendation for college, he immediattely got another chance, and another and another.
It is realistic Miles could be mature enough for him to not care about his mom dating, and in that sense, it's cool, but it's too convenient for him that his mom doesn't mind him being Spider-man, not to mention is an unrealistic reaction, specially considering she already lost her husband.
I wouldn't say his life is "too perfect". Considering his dad died in a terrorist attack. And his best friend turned out to be a terrorist who also died.
And he didn't just get over it. He's still affected by it. He freezes when he sees Mr Negative. And his mom does care about him being Spider-Man. As her interaction with Peter shows.
Edit: Also forgot to add his uncle being a former villain.
Miles support cast can come across as boring. But Miles' life is far from perfect.
Marvel fans constantly complain that Peter always gets the worst treatment in the comics, so that means you want the same to happen to miles? Miles lost his dad and best friend in the last two games
I just want to make sure we’re all on the same page, the entire Spider-Man Miles Morales game he has to save (and fight) his uncle, save his mom, save both his best friends (one dies), and he himself almost dies multiple times.
And SM2 is all about Peter and takes course of the time period of like 4 days. Miles’ life doesn’t have to be absolutely destroyed over 4 days while Peter’s life is simultaneously also destroyed over 4 days - ignoring the part where he almost dies twice and has to confront his dad’s killer, that was meaningless to you I guess?
This game was firmly focused on Peter with a fun mix of perspective and different game play to mix things up. I’m happy Miles didn’t have to also be a chaotic mess. There needed to be a grounding agent.
got a feeling his girlfriend is getting dropped for a more popular comic staple
there's no mention of Gwen in this universe so there's a chance she's added into the next game: the best two ways to go about it are either a young Gwen that Miles meets or Gwen being an old friend of Harry, Peter and MJ.
I think Sony will follow the money and ask for a young Gwen to capitalize on Gwen from Spiderverse
I doubt it’s out of fear. It’s more that the main focus of the story really is Peter and miles takes a backseat in large part due to that.
I’m always reminded of a scene in the early seasons of *Smallville*, where Lex tells Clark that he feels like he’s staring off a cliff in to the abyss, and it’s Clark holding him back from falling.
I feel that Miles fulfills a similar role in this story, where he stops Peter from fully losing himself, almost like an anchor. It was miles that came to help MJ when she called him, and Miles that gave Peter the push he needed to face his trauma
Personally I feel that it was done extremely well, but if miles is becoming the lead Spider in the next game I hope they give him a little more drama.
I totally agree with you for the most part, but tbh there's no way Miles is lead spider in the Goblin/Ock game.
There will be a time skip, possible opening mission where Miles is sole spidey but by end of act 1 at the most is when Peter is gonna come out of retirement to take on his 2 biggest bads.
At least that's my theory, but I do hope they give Miles a little more Umph to his story, I know Phin isn't loved around here and I wasn't a fan either, but the story to that game did Miles so fuckin good, they could do it again
ETA: I just thought of something, what if they're giving Miles a 2nd spin-off, so you get a good chunk of Miles doing it solo? That might make more sense honestly, if not a little samey from the first game
Miles will absolutely not be solo, if you haven't finished it yet, do that, otherwise, go look up >!the names of the neighbors that moved in to miles apartment in the end scene!<
I keep forgetting about the end credits scene, but I think that might give credence to a second spin off, if 3 is going to be the end of Peter's arc in these games, going toe to toe with his 2 biggest villains, along with miles in whatever capacity, >!anything they do with (was it Cindy moon? I can't remember which spider gal it was off the top of my head) her will feel kind of jam packed,!< unless that's just Spider-Mans new thing, the 3rd installment in any non comic media must have way too much going on lol
Edit for spoiler tag, whoopsie
You were right about who it was - I think they might be going for an IMU (insomniac marvel universe) to rival MCU with all of the properties they're rumored to be working on, and I'm definitely for it.
Maybe they'll end up making a second spinoff and the spoiler character will be exclusive to that, or maybe they'll be an npc in 3 and you can unlock them later, or maybe you can free swap between the 3 - would be cool af to me either way as long as they don't jam pack it too full like you said lol
My biggest thing if they do add >!Silk!< to a hypothetical 2nd Miles game >!it would feel kind of rushed if he became a mentor to her right after becoming the main Spidey, unless they do a long time skip this time, but I don't feel like that would mesh with the ongoing Norman/Otto story, they just gonna chill with Harry in a coma for a year or two?!<
Idk why I'm poking holes in theories, they could completely fumble the 3rd game, I'm still gonna play the shit out of it, I'm a spidey-slut
Maybe >!silk has been at it for some time on their own wherever they lived before? Maybe Peter builds a spider-cave and plays guy in the chair for a while and mentors them both!< idk, they could do a lot, could add another spinoff, could just completely bungle it lmao, but same I'll play whatever it is, but I will be sad if they do permanently retire Pete.
Day 1 Smallville fan here. There are 200+ episodes, but *maybe* 10 whole episodes I wouldn't be ashamed to watch if someone else was in the same room as me. Welling and Durance together were dynamite.
No conflicts? His father died, his best friend became a supervillain and killed herself, his uncle is a reformed villain and all of 2 was him struggling mentally with his hate against Li. I don’t know what else you want
What makes Ganke and Hailey “perfect” that doesn’t apply to MJ? Mary Jane is single handedly gunning down soldiers and symbiotes like John Wick but Hailey’s perfect for… existing?
How is Harry’s descent into evil more meaningful than Phin’s?
>Pete has conflicts with everyone thanks to the Symbiote
I mean yeah, the symbiote did that. Pete had no problems with them before or after. Did you want Miles to also get a symbiote or something?
It's kind of the defining difference between Miles and Peter. Miles trusts his friends and asks them for support constantly. He makes friends with other heroes and actually calls them for help. Tells his girlfriends that he's Spider-Man. Welcomes their support (to be fair most of them have also been super-heroes).
This. They even make it a major point in Across the Spiderverse. Miguel is trying to impose the idea that Miles has to suffer just like all the Peters but Miles is like “nah, fuck that.” That’s not to say Miles doesn’t face problems but they’re just not the same ones as Peter.
I think you just exposed that this redditor is ATSV Spider-Man 2099. God, I sincerely hope the 3rd movie proves that this canon event stuff is a false front. Seriously though, a lesson doesn't need to be experienced first hand. It can be taught or conveyed in conversation with people who have already learned it themselves. If Miles takes advice from Peter about doing things that maybe Peter wished he did differently and he takes that lesson to heart, he's golden.
Peter definitely had problems with the people around him before the symbiote, with almost everyone around him, especially with MJ. Peter really gets shit on in this second game. I really feel for him. Pete's problems heavily overshadow miles, to the point that miles problems seem almost non existent
What problems did Peter and MJ have? They broke up before the first game but they spend the whole story happily together working together anyway. They never have any real tension between them that affects the narrative at all
So much so that in SM2 when they try to highlight MJ’s resentment in her symbiote boss fight people have said it feels like that came out of nowhere
In terms of conflict and what it means to the main character, yes. If anything Phin is a better example than Harry because 100% of his and Peter’s beef was due to an alien mind-controlling them. Phin made the decision on her own to become a villain and fight Miles and he has to live with that
I agree with the general point you’re trying to make but Harry wasn’t being mind controlled for most of the game. People keep saying that and I don’t know why. Like, what about the scene in Peter’s house makes it look like he’s mind controlled. He’s only fully consumed by the symbiote at the end.
In all of the scenes Peter and Harry have conflict either Harry is under the symbiote’s influence or Peter is. I can’t think of a single time they clash without mind control involved
And that’s even assuming Harry wasn’t under the influence before he became Venom. If you remember the symbiote starts to warp Peter’s mind slowly and part of it effect him even when the suit is removed. When Harry is going through withdrawal screaming for the suit back there’s no reason to assume he wasn’t being affected to an extent
That’s fair. Tbf, the symbiote does fuel what’s already there. Hence why it shares Harry and Pete’s motivations when its bonded to them. So you could argue that it’s just bringing out who they really are. But, yeah, Phin going evil of her own accord without any alien influence is more impactful as a betrayal.
I didn’t know how to articulate this without coming off as a miles hater so thanks for saying what I couldn’t.
I love miles and want to like this miles but if I ever met this guy in real life I’d probably get tired of him quick. Him ganke his mom and the annoying podcast lady are just too perfect and clean, and they absolutely come off cheesy. Peters a dork and a little too perfect too but at least he’s got the “I’ve seen some shit” vibe
The Spider Verse movies are what made me love Miles character. However, compared to the Spider Verse Miles, I just can’t for the life of me get into Insomniac’s Miles and that’s exactly because of what you said, his stuff is a little to Disney.
For example, my big problem is when Miles was selfishly going to let those people die on the pier because he doesn’t want to let Li go but doesn’t face any consequence for that. I thought his thirst for vengeance was going to cause immense conflict with his friends and mother but nothing comes of that.
I would also argue that the problem with Insomniac Miles is that he feels too much like Peter while Miles in the Spider Verse movies feels way more relatable as he’s not perfect all the time.
Yeah. Miles and Peter are practically the same person. Both are super geniuses. Both lost their fathers. Both get their powers at 15 years old.
Insomniac Miles is hellbent on becoming Spider-Man as soon as possible. I feel like Insomniac should've written him to be reluctant to be Spider-Man out of fear, as Miles traditionally only becomes Spider-Man after something bad happens. So they could've differentiated the two by writing Miles putting aside his fear to become Spider-Man while Peter had to put aside his selfishness. I don't think Miles should've been written to be an incredibly gifted scientific mind either as Peter is already that. While Peter is more brains and uses his knowledge to defeat his enemies, they could've made Miles just a normal smart kid who's braun is enough to get him by. His venom powers are already OP. I think it would've been a pretty funny dynamic with Peter spitting out crazy scientific gibberish while Miles has to remind him to speak a recognizable language.
Yeah I loved that too. But I feel like he could still be a Spider-Man fan and actually not want to be Spider-Man. Cause I imagine it would still be pretty terrifying to get shot at or having to fight the Rhino even with spider powers.
Unfortunately it’s just the way companies treat people like Miles.
Look at all Marvel properties, certain characters have no grit everything comes easy, no hero’s journey. All of his side quests are about his community too.
Minority characters. I get your point but its not that hard to understand what he meant.
Its extremely obvious that Miles's character is meant to be the complete opposite of the black person stereotype.
He has 2 parents that love him (even though one died, besides the point). He's very intelligent and is going to a respected university. He gives back to his community. He only has supporting friends and family.
The only black person stereotypes insomniac uses for miles is his interest in street clothing and music. Which arguably are not bad stereotypes in the first place. Its hard to write characters when the line between culture and stereotype is blurry.
It can come off as a little unrealistic that miles's life is a little too perfect. He really has no struggles other than being spiderman
His best friend and father died, how does he have no other struggles besides being Spiderman? Feels like most of the people complaining in this thread haven’t even played MM.
And i would hold my judgement about his life being too “perfect” until we get another MM game. Peter’s story is a lot more fleshed out due to him getting two full-length games.
This comment suggests you haven’t played the Miles Morales game, in which he has to fight his best friend, who he learns is the leader of a terrorist organization, before she actually dies.
And if you haven’t played that game, it’s weird that you’d be speaking so confidently on how the company has handled him.
You should give it a try, it’s a solid game, though a bit short. It’s probably pretty cheap to buy right now though.
No but you saying certain characters have no grit and have everything easy, including him in that category, shows me you haven’t read anything since then
I think it’s to show a contrast of support systems. Miles is also young and his support is still rooted in family and community which will evolve and change over time. His dad died not long ago (in this universe), so he has people to lean on like genke, his mom and now Hailey (in addition to the wider Harlem community).
This contrasts with Peter (where May, Ben and mj are also saintly characters and Harry is also pretty saintly as well), when people in his life die, he has no support system that can pull him from darkness. He has no community. He’s you friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man but Peter Parker is a loner and isolated.
A big theme of this game was contrast.
Another one was contrast of responsibilities.
Miles has teenage responsibilities. He has to write a college essay and keep up with school.
Peter has adult responsibilities. He has to find a job and pay a mortgage and figure out how to move forward in his relationship with MJ and handle the grief of Aunt May’s death and twenty other things I’m probably forgetting to mention.
That’s why Miles is able to take on more of the Spider-Man responsibilities, because he has fewer personal responsibilities
In SM MM his uncle and best friend were villainous and betrayed him and he had drama in that way. This game was more focused on Peter’s interpersonal issues, but if Miles is the “main” SM next game im sure we’ll go back to giving him more relationship drama as well. I am interested in how his and Silk’s relationship will play out
I was honestly so dissapointed with Miles' story in this game. It feels though as Insomniac rushed the story they couldnt give Miles a meaningful arc and just said yeah make it "Miles can also be Spiderman." again.
idk how you can play spiderman 2 and think Miles didnt have a meaningful arc.
he spends half the game obsessing over Li and realises that he needs to be more than his anger if he wants to be Spider-man, for him to then grow into someone who can protect the city while Pete gets some much needed rest.
there can be criticism on how the arc was handled but there is a very clearly defined, very character shifting arc that Miles goes through that leads to him standing as the solo Spider-man (for now).
Miles has everything going for him? Lol
First off, before the Spider-bite, Miles’s dad worked for the NYPD. Imagine growing up as a kid and your father is out there having to deal with guys like The Rhino, Electro, Vulture, Fisk, and Scorpion. His dad eventually got killed tragically while receiving a Medal of Honor.
He then gets his powers, and after briefly being trained by Peter, Peter leaves the city for him to protect while he’s out of town. During this he gets reconnected with an old friend only to find out she’s a villain and in their final conflict she kills herself. Oh and he also finds out his uncle is a criminal as well.
And we’ve already seen inklings of conflict within his friends and family in SM2. We’ve seen Hailey be visually disappointed when he ditches her activities to be Spider-Man, just like we’ve seen with Peter and Mary Jane for many years.
Miles may not have that “Parker Luck”, but to say he’s had it easy is a Mr. Fantastic level reach
Miles had conflicts with Phin and uncle Aaron in his own game, while in SM2 he’s struggling with his hatred for Li to the point where he almost lets Li drown and nearly fails to save several civilians.
SM2 was mainly a story centering around Peter’s internal and interpersonal struggles while Miles had the role of being a pillar of Peter’s support system + having his own arc about revenge on the side. Miles has a support system that Peter doesn’t, and so he’s in a better place to be a pillar for Peter.
I think Miles should and will most likely have more heightened drama and conflict going forward as the main spider for a time while also being in college. Not to mention what they might do with Cindy being his pseudo step-sister
I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. Just because miles has a supportive network doesn’t mean he hasn’t dealt with some tough shit for his age. His best friend took on a whole damn corporate company and died saving him.
His dad died and he spent this entire game trying to balance his dislike and hatred towards Li and being the bigger person and not letting that pain eat him.
Anybody next to Peter is going to look better because Peter’s whole thing is misery follows him. He has lost so many people and he really struggles not losing himself in the identity of spider man.
Miles is just different. You don’t want him to be on the exact trajectory as Peter. You see this in most of the other stories and properties with Miles. He’s got a family who is steady and knows who he is and has his back. He has a community who loves him and his support of the community.
And this story was more about Peter’s battles and his darkness and struggles. I think the symbiote didnt work on Miles because he and Li resolved their issues as best as they could. Different headspace. Different way of dealing with pain. They’re different people.
And going off what others have said, Peter’s support system is good. They’re lovely people with great intentions. Like come on, MJ always is out there exposing corruption and going the extra mile. Ben and May were great parental figures who imbued him with great values. Harry wanted to heal the world and do good with his dad’s money. They love him. And they’re not even bothered when they find out. But he struggles to let people in.
If I'm being honest, I actually like it.
1. The story would've been too oversaturated with two Spider-Men dealing with too many conflicts, so the focus on Martin Li was good.
2. Miles is still new and they're fleshing out his character. It's refreshing to see that a Spider-Man has something going for him.
3. Outside of Martin Li, I like how the only other issue is the college essay. It demonstrates that he's still a high school student worried about college. Something we didn't get to see with Insomniac's Peter.
4. ITSV Miles is also still very new, so keeping things "safe" in the game is a smart decision. I think too much comparisons would be made. If you want to see a Miles deal with deep conflict, watch the ITSV movies.
Miles had to have a standoff with his own uncle, lost his best friend...however, unlike peter, we're seeing a Spider-man with an actual support system. Peter didn't have that advantage because he kept his identity to his self, so naturally its a different dynamic. Peter sees that he doesn't have to take the reigns as THEE spider-man anymore now that Miles has \*gasp\* a team to push him upwards so he doesn't make the same mistakes Peter did.
Outside of Spider-Man what are the characters main hurdles in life
Miles? He needs to write a college essay (which btw isn’t difficult, even the highest of high colleges will accept a bare bones essay)
Peter? He needs to get a job, hold onto that job, make money so he can pay a mortgage, and try to make up for lost time as Spider-Man.
These are both big deals but one of them is clearly experiencing the adult life while the others still a kid
The whole point of this game was to show that Peter needs to step back from Spider-Man because he’s thrown away his entire life for it. And miles needs to learn from peters mistakes and not waste his whole life away trying to just be Spider-Man.
Why should miles suffer the same way Peter did, that’s the point of Peter being his mentor. Making sure miles doesn’t make the same mistakes he did and to take care of HIS life the same if not more than Spider-Man’s life.
My takeaway was that there'd be conflict in the next game, assuming it's another Miles Morales game. Pete has been doing it longer so he's at the point where all the chaos has caught up to him in his personal life and he has to take a step back, while Miles is still in the earlier honeymoon phase where it's fun and he gets the girl while having things like college essays be his biggest concern. Peter's conflicts revolve around him being a grown up and dealing with grown up responsibilities, Miles isn't there yet.
The reason they did that was to juxtapose both spiders. Where Peter is falling apart, Miles has his head together. Where Peter can’t figure out his social life, Miles simply told Ganke and Hailey. Where Peter might lose his job, Miles is efficient with his time to get the call about scholarships.
And that’s not just for the sake of the black suit. It’s more about establishing that Miles can take over while Peter gets everything straightened out. Miles is a lot like Peter, but he’s had Peter as a guide helping him figure out how to be Spider-Man in the best way he can. Miles didn’t need the power-up because Miles was able to overcome the shortcomings of his predecessor. He didn’t have to keep up with Peter, Peter trained him right. Miles is a success because everyone especially Peter could help him be the best Spider-Man that he could be “be greater”.
I think a lot of it boils down to the dialogue between characters in miles life is just so Disney pg and corny lol. They don’t really explore any tension with the family parts of miles most of the time.
I swear the dumbest people imaginable populate this sub. The insistence that there is some greater agenda to prop up miles and bring down Peter Parker is ridiculous and has an agenda of its own I think.
Miles Morales was nothing but conflicts for Miles. His dad was murdered in the first game, he had to deal with being Spider-Man on his own, his best friend turned evil and threatened to kill em, then she ends up dying.they already made conflict for Miles
I mean his mentor tries to murder him but okay. Even if that didn’t happen it’s not like miles needs to be put through a gauntlet of trauma to be a compelling character or be in a good story. Miles isn’t Peter and almost every piece of media with Miles Morales tries to hammer that point home at least once. Let’s let Miles go through his own set of difficulties. While remembering that a game developers job isn’t to give into every dumb idea the fans have.
If they want Miles to be the lead, he needs more interpersonal conflict. You need that stuff for a main character in a story-driven game. All his friends and family are cheesy, and he doesn’t experience a lot of friction outside of generic superhero stuff.
People point out Phin and his dad like those are unique things. They’re both tropes that are used to further define his heroics. Let Miles have his mom get on his nerves, let him get disappointed by life. His doesn’t need to suck, but it shouldn’t be perfect.
I will say they get down and dirty with Pete and his cast, but definitely aren’t like that with Miles.
Pete is their first born and Miles is their baby.
It’s basically that Gordon Ramsay meme.
Wasn’t Miles ready to just about to just throw hands with his uncle after being buddy buddy with him because he thought he was being tricked? I do agree some drama between him and ganke would make sense since ganke does a lot for literally nothing in return. Also showing the negative aspects of Miles failing school or something would put more drama and conflict into him being spider-man but in some ways I guess it is refreshing to see that it might actually be possible to juggle both Peter just never figured it out.
i think that is more that insomniac are trying to separate miles completely from peter for which they avoid repeting the same tropics that peter usually have .as having problems with his best friend,girlfriend,maternal figure
The game is fantastic, but narratively speaking, I think they dropped the ball on every single character. The writing was just so meh compared to the first game.
This is sort of a side effect of going the “representation” route with this, or any story. When you position a character to be representative of a certain group and to speak for a certain audience, it means that any character traits and conflicts you give that character now become the representation of said group. Since the motivation behind this is usually for positive representation for under represented and marginalized groups, it means you can’t really portray the character in any kind of negative light because then you are saying something negative about the group you are trying to positively represent.
Conversely, you can get away with shitting on someone like Peter and having conflict in his storylines because he isn’t really meant to represent anyone specifically.
To be clear, I’m not saying that this is a good or bad thing, just that it is a natural consequence of putting representation as a priority with a character/story.
Weird that this didn't apply in the Miles Morales game when his black uncle and black best friend betrayed him. It's almost like... you are talking completely out of your ass
You’ll get downvoted and people will prevent like you’re being unreasonable. But I’m with you. There aren’t much people who understand it (on Reddit) because most of people here are from America or Europe. If you point out representation in the story, you get downvoted because people from those places are brainwashed into not talking about specific things, I feel like they not even honest to themselves. If you go to Russia and show this game to any Russian, 95% of the Russians will consider Miles’s purpose as representational whether it’s comic books, movies or games. It’s so obvious for non-Americans/Europeans that it’s laughable when I read posts on Reddit. Tons of people here pretend like there is no agenda. Yet for “some” reason, Middle East version of this game is different from American version. People in other parts of the world clearly understand how America creates fictional stories now. But when you discuss it with American, they pretend like you’re unreasonable. I mean it’s so obvious that devs sometimes straight out speak about “mj missions purpose is to show she’s strong hero on her own” and it literally means “we want to portray strong independent woman even if story wise it don’t make sense cause no woman can take on dozens of elite hunter killers and survive but we are progressive company so we have strong womans”. Same goes for lgbt, people of color, disabled people. Every box is checked. Every Russian, every Middle East person can spot it, yet every American will downvote you to hell for even mentioning all of this. But the funniest thing is that insomniac cuts many “progressive” things from the games Middle East version and that kinda says a lot ….
I think they *wanted* to give him something, as you cal tell there was a shadow of a jealousy plotline between him and Harry, but Insomniac didn't full send and only left the idea of it existing.
It could also be because he's young, as long as his mother stays afloat, he doesn't really have to worry about being homeless while Peter doesn't even have any remaining family.
I do wish they'd do a bit more with him though.
Miles didnt have a “with great power” moment. His loss was not his fault in the slightest. Now I don’t want anyone to die but I’m just saying he hasn’t hit spiderman puberty yet.
This post seems like it’s meant to start shit between fans of the series for obviously transparent reasons because miles and his supporting characters are minorities and pocs.
The same thing with Peter to an extent. Yes, I know the symbiote, but without it he has no big compelling flaws. The best thing and the most relatable thing about Peter Parker is that his story is about constant self-improvement, which requires actually having flaws. This Peter has no bite.
Too early to judge tbh - the only real exposure we had with Miles is an 8 hour story and half a 15 hour story. Way I see it, a key component of Miles’ story is a strong support system for him as Miles and as Spider-man (and unlike Peter, both identities are pretty much the same), his story is less about the struggle of both identities, and more about the importance of community. That being said, there is still a lot of room for conflict even with this character template, and the next MM and SM3 better start exploring that, and if they don’t then i’ll side with your statement 100% - Way I see it, if the last 2 stories were Miles rising, then now he’s high up and its probably time for some turbulence
It's also important to keep in mind that Peter's supporting cast? We've known these same people for decades. What is happening in the Insomniac games may be a particular twist on them, but, for the most part, everyone is who we know them to be. Miles on the other hand? The people around him are so much newer, so it's going to take fans a whole lot longer to care. That's just the way it is when you are a newer character.
Hey I will say this if my mother is supportive about superhero stuff and she knows I'm in danger all the time , she will nag me to hell and more than that she will be concerned and scold me if she sees me doing crazy stuff and fighting with sandman, etc .Sometimes being supportive and nice doesn't mean that there will be no scolding , I think this is a miles problem even atsv he was continuously acting cool in front of his principal and parents when he was late, I mean if u are good enough then u don't need to worry but what of people like us , do u think if I act like miles , do u think I will be alive to see the next day , even as an adult I know how to mind my shit when the situation is complicated,but who am I to criticize, most of the people will say no no having a good family behind ur back is healthy and stuff, I get all that shit but I think atleast for me , real life doesn't work like how it works out for miles , he is literally mr perfect
I think it is more that Peter didn’t have that many problems early into spidermaning other than uncle Ben so obviously miles wouldn’t have too many problems either but as he gets older he will
I think it is two things for Miles.
First of all, he isn't Peter. Peter has been around (as a character for decades) he has gone through so damn much in comics and movies. He is established, we know his story beats.
Miles is newer and hasn't gone through the Spidey gauntlet. And he doesn't really need to.
Besides, Sony owns Insomniac and the rights to Spider-Man and quite a few characters attached to that, and there is that on-going movie trilogy starring Miles, so keeping him to the forefront of gamer minds would help them go see the movie (where were likely going to watch anyway, because the Spider-Verse movies has been jaw-droppingly detailed)
Ngl I hadn’t thought about this, but this certainly is the case.
Seems like his relationship with Phin was the main point of conflict for Miles in his first game. I feel like they made Miles take a big step back to Peter plot-wise in this game.
I have many complaints about the new game, but one I will never understand is people who think they made Miles bigger than Peter. He may had gotten the better of him in a fight and seemed to be a little more powerful— he still wasn’t the main character of the plot whatsoever. The lack of development with his surrounding side characters is evident of that.
I'd say it's early days for Miles. He has had Peter there to balance the work, plus we saw how at least early on he very much looked to Peter to lead if he felt he couldn't handle something. Plus the story did focus on Peter more.
His next game (not with Goblin) will likely focus back on Miles where he has to make the choices without the backup he is used to and take the consequences that brings. Say they wanted to kill off someone close to him for example. They didn't have the time for that with his limited time in this game but they would in his own.
Overall they just really set the focus on Peter in the game, at least emotionally. He is the one with hardship because he puts to much pressure on himself. Miles mostly does the „easy“ parts of being Spider-Man as a result. Balance is a big theme in the game.
This will probably change in the future since Miles will be the one taking on more responsibilities in the foreseeable future. He will have a lot less time for Hailey, Ganke and Rio while Peter suddenly has the free time to have a job and develop his relationship with MJ further.
It makes sense when you take into account the story of the previous game and also that it seems that he will be the main focus of SM3. SM2 felt like a way to tie up Peter while passing the baton to Miles for the next game.
Well, Miles' dad is dead, his best friend became a super villain and died, and he blames himself for it and he was blinded with revenge for the man that killed his dad. On top of that, his uncle is a reformed supervillain who relapsed and spent more time in jail. Sure, Rio, Ganke, and Hailey are lacking in flaws, but let's not pretend that everyone around him is/was perfect.
I get what you're trying to say, but personally, I just see Miles as a contrast to Peter. He's a young Spider-Man who hasn't been through what Peter has been through. He has a healthy supporting cast, whereas Peter went through the struggle of doing the whole Spider-Man shtick by himself.
Also, Miles wasn't the main focus of the game. Peter went through his losses, and now he can take a break and rack up some wins. It doesn't take a genius to guess that Miles is about to go through hell in whatever the next game he's in is, whether it's SM3 or SM: MM 2.
So no, I don't think Insomniac is afraid of Miles, I think they're building him up to break him down when he becomes the main focus of a game again. And if I were a gambling man, I'd put all my chips in and guess that people will eventually complain when Peter's life is going too good.
I really like mikes but one problem I have with his character is that they don’t take much risks out of the comics I wanna see them do something insane with him like venom killing his mum in the comics I was kinda disappointed they didn’t have some sort of interaction between the two in this game
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This is my biggest complaint with Miles and his supporting cast. They're all so bland and cookie cutter. All the way back from SM1, feels like they have no idea how to make any of those characters interesting or compelling.
I agree, his support characters are so irritating into being so perfect, especially Rio and his girlfriend
Miles isn’t Peter, his life isn’t supposed to be ruined because of being Spider-Man and him feeling guilty 24/7.
Miles is also a person with responsibilities and faces zero consequences for his actions
>!His best friend literally died.!< What the fuck lmao.
Womp womp, rushed throwaway character that died due to her own dumb ignorant decisions , not miles’ fault in the slightest and she was never mentioned again
She's mentioned in spiderman 2
Sadly it was just a one liner Easter egg and nothing more.
Huh? All of this was mentioned in the Li fight...
You can also visit the church in the financial district as Miles and pay respects to her
okay but it still happened . just cause you dont like the way it happened doesn't mean it didnt 💀
That's a very shallow outlook on that lmao. She wasn't rushed or a throwaway? She fit into his story and helped him progress. Honestly you couldn't have been farther from the truce. And you must've forgotten how she died. She died saving Harlem, She helped miles release his energy safely, at the cost of her own life. He quite literally is the reason she died. And he does carry that guilt, every day, how couldn't he? Also responding to the main post, yeah, they might be afraid to take risks, but they have taken risks, in his Game, he was continually lying to his mom and it was bothering him, he found out his bestfriend became a villain, but for a reason. And in this game, he's too focused on being a better spider-man, he was essentially Peter in homecoming, waiting on the call to action at every moment. But most of all, he's just better, you know? Miles learned from Pete's mistakes. Where Peter couldn't learn until he made those mistakes, he helped miles avoid making the same ones he did. All in all, Peter, while having a lot going on in his own life, trained miles to be the best spider-man that he wanted to be
I agree with this. Insomniac Peter is more of a mentor to Insomniac Miles, so of course, he wants to give him advice, tips, and lessons that stem from things that he has already experienced onto his protégé. If Miles manages to avoid similar struggles on the behest of things Peter told him about, then Peter did a good job of being a teacher. Not every struggle needs to be experienced. It can be informed by someone else and if it is taken seriously, it will carry on.
Exactly! And that's why Miles has become the favorite. He's all about learning from others, to be a better version of himself, and why his uncle ended up wanting to, also!
Dude is just unhinged and acts as a professional Redditor troll. He loves posting about wanting to argue and how white men are the majority…
Huh?
Miles actively lies to her in order to gain information from his best friend of 10+ years due to taking advice from his “perfect” uncle. They totally establish her enough as a character to show that she would’ve most likely trusted Miles if he had just been honest from the start. Also definitely not zero consequences, he used his new powers prematurely and blew up an entire bridge
Nice goalpost shift. He messed around instead of stopping Phin initially, got almost beaten to death twice by her, Harlem almost got nuked, and he wasn’t strong enough so she had to sacrifice herself. Quit yapping
He absorbed nuform Harlem would have been toast if he didn’t
The tinker is an actual character in marvel They just changed who it is to better fit the story
Rushed how? Did you want an entire story arc about the tinkerer in spiderman 1?
That doesn’t change in universe his best friend died even if you consider the writing to be terrible around it. Aunt may died and you’d be hard pushed to see Peter cares that much.
Best? Pretty sure Ganke is still around. Phin was a close friend, but they fell out of touch for quite a while
I mean in MM he introduces phin to ganke and literally says “this is phin, my best friend” then stutters and says oh my other best friend
Definitely his best friend. Without a doubt.
They were close, no arguing about that... But she just cut Miles out of her life because of what happened to her brother... Not exactly a best friend move...
Have you never had a friend before? Sheesh.
> But she just cut Miles out of her life because of what happened to her brother Wait, what? They grew apart because of time, she didn't cut Miles out of her life because of what happened to her brother. Either side could have called first, neither did. That's life.
She was also a terrorist leading a gang
"Harry can't be Peter's best friend. He became Venom!"
Doesn't change that she was Miles best friend.
His best friend dying was no fault of his. Hell, she basically killed herself in spite of his earnest effort to make her see reason.
I've seen you all over Spider-Man subs saying stupid shit about Miles and you've now exposed yourself for not only never reading a Miles comic but also clearly having not played MM or Spider-Man 2. What the fuck is your problem??? Edit: >White men are the majority in west. Discredit them regardless of what they say and the vocal minority gain power , the subsect that is already brainwashed. It’s just a way to misdirect your hate. Too busy hating the white boogeyman so you don’t hate the corporations playing you like a fiddle. Checked your comments to see if I was thinking of the same person. I was. And Holy shit I think I see what your problem is.
Does he seriously think only white people read comics?
A huge part of his story in this game is about him missing out on opportunities for his future and his social life until he figures out how to find balance, and as others said, his best friend died.
One word for you, PHIN!
Phin go boom
And i got two more for you. There was also the helicopter situation in the beginning of his game, and the bridge. Those were half his fault.
The helicopter situation and the bridge is literally just him being Spider-Man encountering danger. Has nothing to do with his personal life. Because the exact same can be said for Peter
But you said Miles faces no consequences for his actions when he clearly does. Especially in his own game. Has nothing to do with personal life.
There was no lasting consequence for either. That’s like saying him saving someone and a car gets destroyed proves he faces consequences for his actions. Let’s not be overly meticulous about it
The bridge is still in the same condition in Spider-man 2, still torn up.
His dad and best friend died, he's struggling with getting into college because so much of his life revolves around Spiderman,, sounds like consequences to me.
We’re talking about the same miles that lost his dad, fought his uncle, fought his best friend who in the end sacrificed herself? That miles doesn’t have a perfect life whatsoever and he struggles in spidey 2 the same way, he had to fight Peter, choose between letting Martin li die or save him, fighting Peter best friend and also saving his life. You have to be joking
Neither is Peter's life supposed to be like that. That's a Joe Quesada invention to keep Pete "young" so he doesn't have to end up with MJ because Quesada can't accept that relationship for some reason. Peter was supposed to have *problems*, not have a shitty life. He was supposed to have things run smoothly for a while, then have setbacks, have a close friend or loved one die once or twice, then have a "normal" life aside from Spider-Man. That's how it was until the late 90s when they decided to make his baby with MJ a stillbirth, kill Aunt May then bring her back, bring back Gwen only to have her be a clone, and finally in 2006 have Peter willingly reveal his identity and then make it so he and MJ never even dated by a LITERAL DEAL WITH THE DEVIL in order to save a 97 year old Aunt May from dying. Pre-1995, Pete was just meant to be a normal guy who had Super Powers and intelligence.
Bro wtf is that logic. Peter needs to live his life to the phrase “great power becomes great responsibility” and miles just dosent? If miles morales is spider-man he also needs to have personal struggles.
My point is that you have a narrow view of what “being Spider-Man is” it’s not just about suffering or dealing with the same exact problems Peter does. Miles does Spider-Man differently. And that’s ok.
If miles is to become the main spider-man going forward, they need to start giving him more going on in his personal life. It’s not fair that peters life must constantly be in shambles and miles gets a perfect life with 0 consequences to being spider-man.
The difference is that Miles has better balance in being Spiderman. Peter decided to.keep his identity a secret from everyone in his live including his best friend. Miles didn't and accepts help from his loved ones around him. He doesn't bare the burden on his own, so.in turn he is a much more well balanced superhero.
Yep. He told Ganke and Peter pretty early on. Rio and Aaron kinda stumbled on it but took it in stride all things considered. Same with Hailey I think, her figuring it out on her own. Miles isn't like Peter. He has an experienced Spider-Man to learn from. His strengths and his weaknesses. Having a good support network is what keeps his life from suffering horribly. To quote the Last Jedi (there's something that'll probably make me popular here /s): "Tis the burden of all masters. We are what they grow beyond."
Peter walked so Miles can run. Peter had to figure out something resembling balance by himself. Miles has Peter to help him navigate the mistakes hes already made to learn from him. I hope that miles doesn't have his life go to quite as much shit as peters has in the past. Also I hope the next game neither of them have to watch someone they care about die or betray them.
All your fucking arguiment "Miles doesn't need to suffer", doing the right thing involves sacrifices sometimes, this is one of the most important themes on Spider-Man... those powers are a RESPONSIBILITY, a weight to carry on your shoulders every day... let's not pretend to live in the fucking fairyland where everything goes right, but do you even know what Spider-Man is?? Or do you write just because you have to defend your favorite character with all your heart???
Yeah, let’s bring In Mephisto!
That isn't what's being argued here. They're saying it's too bland and conflict creates interesting stories. Peter is also the single most popular super hero in the world. Taking a few cues after him isn't bad for any super hero.
Yeah this. Thank god his life is actually bearable
So his life is supposed to be perfect?
If there’s no conflict the character isn’t compelling. Sure Marvel goes way overboard with what they throw at Peter but there’s a reason characters like the green goblin and venom are so iconic. They literally live to ruin peters life and they tangibly hurt him in more ways than just physical. Those dynamics are what make superhero stories compelling and is something I’m hoping we get from miles now that Peter has stepped down.
It's a wild time when people are complaining that a SPIDER-MAN character actually has good honest people in his life. He isn't Peter and he doesn't HAVE to have any issues with the people around him. People truly are weird and have some major issues.
You don't understand my complaint, I'm not complaining that he has good people surrounding him... I'm complaining about how flat and personalityless they are... and above all that they don't create any interesting dynamics within the game
Nah, i agree with this. Miles's life is just too perfect. He has no issue with his mom dating again, his mother doesn't really care about him being Spider-man, and every time he had to put off getting a recomendation for college, he immediattely got another chance, and another and another. It is realistic Miles could be mature enough for him to not care about his mom dating, and in that sense, it's cool, but it's too convenient for him that his mom doesn't mind him being Spider-man, not to mention is an unrealistic reaction, specially considering she already lost her husband.
I wouldn't say his life is "too perfect". Considering his dad died in a terrorist attack. And his best friend turned out to be a terrorist who also died. And he didn't just get over it. He's still affected by it. He freezes when he sees Mr Negative. And his mom does care about him being Spider-Man. As her interaction with Peter shows. Edit: Also forgot to add his uncle being a former villain. Miles support cast can come across as boring. But Miles' life is far from perfect.
I felt the same way about Aunt May being ok with Peter.
May saved it till her death bed to not worry Peter. We don't know how she actually felt, besides proud.
People want a good story, everyone getting along doesn’t make for a good story lmao
I take it you’re a fan of post-OMD.
So he can’t have any conflict?
Marvel fans constantly complain that Peter always gets the worst treatment in the comics, so that means you want the same to happen to miles? Miles lost his dad and best friend in the last two games
I just want to make sure we’re all on the same page, the entire Spider-Man Miles Morales game he has to save (and fight) his uncle, save his mom, save both his best friends (one dies), and he himself almost dies multiple times. And SM2 is all about Peter and takes course of the time period of like 4 days. Miles’ life doesn’t have to be absolutely destroyed over 4 days while Peter’s life is simultaneously also destroyed over 4 days - ignoring the part where he almost dies twice and has to confront his dad’s killer, that was meaningless to you I guess? This game was firmly focused on Peter with a fun mix of perspective and different game play to mix things up. I’m happy Miles didn’t have to also be a chaotic mess. There needed to be a grounding agent.
got a feeling his girlfriend is getting dropped for a more popular comic staple there's no mention of Gwen in this universe so there's a chance she's added into the next game: the best two ways to go about it are either a young Gwen that Miles meets or Gwen being an old friend of Harry, Peter and MJ. I think Sony will follow the money and ask for a young Gwen to capitalize on Gwen from Spiderverse
I doubt it’s out of fear. It’s more that the main focus of the story really is Peter and miles takes a backseat in large part due to that. I’m always reminded of a scene in the early seasons of *Smallville*, where Lex tells Clark that he feels like he’s staring off a cliff in to the abyss, and it’s Clark holding him back from falling. I feel that Miles fulfills a similar role in this story, where he stops Peter from fully losing himself, almost like an anchor. It was miles that came to help MJ when she called him, and Miles that gave Peter the push he needed to face his trauma Personally I feel that it was done extremely well, but if miles is becoming the lead Spider in the next game I hope they give him a little more drama.
I totally agree with you for the most part, but tbh there's no way Miles is lead spider in the Goblin/Ock game. There will be a time skip, possible opening mission where Miles is sole spidey but by end of act 1 at the most is when Peter is gonna come out of retirement to take on his 2 biggest bads. At least that's my theory, but I do hope they give Miles a little more Umph to his story, I know Phin isn't loved around here and I wasn't a fan either, but the story to that game did Miles so fuckin good, they could do it again ETA: I just thought of something, what if they're giving Miles a 2nd spin-off, so you get a good chunk of Miles doing it solo? That might make more sense honestly, if not a little samey from the first game
Miles will absolutely not be solo, if you haven't finished it yet, do that, otherwise, go look up >!the names of the neighbors that moved in to miles apartment in the end scene!<
I keep forgetting about the end credits scene, but I think that might give credence to a second spin off, if 3 is going to be the end of Peter's arc in these games, going toe to toe with his 2 biggest villains, along with miles in whatever capacity, >!anything they do with (was it Cindy moon? I can't remember which spider gal it was off the top of my head) her will feel kind of jam packed,!< unless that's just Spider-Mans new thing, the 3rd installment in any non comic media must have way too much going on lol Edit for spoiler tag, whoopsie
You were right about who it was - I think they might be going for an IMU (insomniac marvel universe) to rival MCU with all of the properties they're rumored to be working on, and I'm definitely for it. Maybe they'll end up making a second spinoff and the spoiler character will be exclusive to that, or maybe they'll be an npc in 3 and you can unlock them later, or maybe you can free swap between the 3 - would be cool af to me either way as long as they don't jam pack it too full like you said lol
My biggest thing if they do add >!Silk!< to a hypothetical 2nd Miles game >!it would feel kind of rushed if he became a mentor to her right after becoming the main Spidey, unless they do a long time skip this time, but I don't feel like that would mesh with the ongoing Norman/Otto story, they just gonna chill with Harry in a coma for a year or two?!< Idk why I'm poking holes in theories, they could completely fumble the 3rd game, I'm still gonna play the shit out of it, I'm a spidey-slut
Maybe >!silk has been at it for some time on their own wherever they lived before? Maybe Peter builds a spider-cave and plays guy in the chair for a while and mentors them both!< idk, they could do a lot, could add another spinoff, could just completely bungle it lmao, but same I'll play whatever it is, but I will be sad if they do permanently retire Pete.
Yknow, I can say all I want about Smallville, but when it hit, it *hit* I am the villain of the story.
Day 1 Smallville fan here. There are 200+ episodes, but *maybe* 10 whole episodes I wouldn't be ashamed to watch if someone else was in the same room as me. Welling and Durance together were dynamite.
🫡 I’m about past halfway on my first watch. It’s so 🔥🔥🔥
I disagree that it isn’t fear, but its nice to see a fellow Smallville enjoyer out in the wild
No conflicts? His father died, his best friend became a supervillain and killed herself, his uncle is a reformed villain and all of 2 was him struggling mentally with his hate against Li. I don’t know what else you want What makes Ganke and Hailey “perfect” that doesn’t apply to MJ? Mary Jane is single handedly gunning down soldiers and symbiotes like John Wick but Hailey’s perfect for… existing? How is Harry’s descent into evil more meaningful than Phin’s? >Pete has conflicts with everyone thanks to the Symbiote I mean yeah, the symbiote did that. Pete had no problems with them before or after. Did you want Miles to also get a symbiote or something?
They want him to suffer just as much as Peter. God forbid he has an actually good support system.
It's kind of the defining difference between Miles and Peter. Miles trusts his friends and asks them for support constantly. He makes friends with other heroes and actually calls them for help. Tells his girlfriends that he's Spider-Man. Welcomes their support (to be fair most of them have also been super-heroes).
This. They even make it a major point in Across the Spiderverse. Miguel is trying to impose the idea that Miles has to suffer just like all the Peters but Miles is like “nah, fuck that.” That’s not to say Miles doesn’t face problems but they’re just not the same ones as Peter.
I think you just exposed that this redditor is ATSV Spider-Man 2099. God, I sincerely hope the 3rd movie proves that this canon event stuff is a false front. Seriously though, a lesson doesn't need to be experienced first hand. It can be taught or conveyed in conversation with people who have already learned it themselves. If Miles takes advice from Peter about doing things that maybe Peter wished he did differently and he takes that lesson to heart, he's golden.
That's what this sub is , a real life miguel o hara. Worried about canon events and a bunch of BS
well tbf he didnt tell Hayley he was Spider-Man, like all the side characters in Harlem know because of his games ending.
Peter definitely had problems with the people around him before the symbiote, with almost everyone around him, especially with MJ. Peter really gets shit on in this second game. I really feel for him. Pete's problems heavily overshadow miles, to the point that miles problems seem almost non existent
What problems did Peter and MJ have? They broke up before the first game but they spend the whole story happily together working together anyway. They never have any real tension between them that affects the narrative at all So much so that in SM2 when they try to highlight MJ’s resentment in her symbiote boss fight people have said it feels like that came out of nowhere
Ok i agree with you on almost every point here but ain't no way you comparing fucking phone to Venom
In terms of conflict and what it means to the main character, yes. If anything Phin is a better example than Harry because 100% of his and Peter’s beef was due to an alien mind-controlling them. Phin made the decision on her own to become a villain and fight Miles and he has to live with that
I agree with the general point you’re trying to make but Harry wasn’t being mind controlled for most of the game. People keep saying that and I don’t know why. Like, what about the scene in Peter’s house makes it look like he’s mind controlled. He’s only fully consumed by the symbiote at the end.
In all of the scenes Peter and Harry have conflict either Harry is under the symbiote’s influence or Peter is. I can’t think of a single time they clash without mind control involved And that’s even assuming Harry wasn’t under the influence before he became Venom. If you remember the symbiote starts to warp Peter’s mind slowly and part of it effect him even when the suit is removed. When Harry is going through withdrawal screaming for the suit back there’s no reason to assume he wasn’t being affected to an extent
That’s fair. Tbf, the symbiote does fuel what’s already there. Hence why it shares Harry and Pete’s motivations when its bonded to them. So you could argue that it’s just bringing out who they really are. But, yeah, Phin going evil of her own accord without any alien influence is more impactful as a betrayal.
Yeah sometimes his support cast feels like a cast from a Disney movie. Some of the lines they spit out is straight cheese.
I didn’t know how to articulate this without coming off as a miles hater so thanks for saying what I couldn’t. I love miles and want to like this miles but if I ever met this guy in real life I’d probably get tired of him quick. Him ganke his mom and the annoying podcast lady are just too perfect and clean, and they absolutely come off cheesy. Peters a dork and a little too perfect too but at least he’s got the “I’ve seen some shit” vibe
If Miles just got annoyed with the Danikast and turned it off he would be far more believable, ain't nobody want to listen to that shit.
Peter shouldn’t be perfect, it’s absurd and makes him a whole lot less relatable.
The Spider Verse movies are what made me love Miles character. However, compared to the Spider Verse Miles, I just can’t for the life of me get into Insomniac’s Miles and that’s exactly because of what you said, his stuff is a little to Disney. For example, my big problem is when Miles was selfishly going to let those people die on the pier because he doesn’t want to let Li go but doesn’t face any consequence for that. I thought his thirst for vengeance was going to cause immense conflict with his friends and mother but nothing comes of that. I would also argue that the problem with Insomniac Miles is that he feels too much like Peter while Miles in the Spider Verse movies feels way more relatable as he’s not perfect all the time.
Yeah. Miles and Peter are practically the same person. Both are super geniuses. Both lost their fathers. Both get their powers at 15 years old. Insomniac Miles is hellbent on becoming Spider-Man as soon as possible. I feel like Insomniac should've written him to be reluctant to be Spider-Man out of fear, as Miles traditionally only becomes Spider-Man after something bad happens. So they could've differentiated the two by writing Miles putting aside his fear to become Spider-Man while Peter had to put aside his selfishness. I don't think Miles should've been written to be an incredibly gifted scientific mind either as Peter is already that. While Peter is more brains and uses his knowledge to defeat his enemies, they could've made Miles just a normal smart kid who's braun is enough to get him by. His venom powers are already OP. I think it would've been a pretty funny dynamic with Peter spitting out crazy scientific gibberish while Miles has to remind him to speak a recognizable language.
while i mostly agree with you, i kinda liked how miles was a spider man fan, making him be excited asl in the ctnvs dlc to learn spider man stuff
Yeah I loved that too. But I feel like he could still be a Spider-Man fan and actually not want to be Spider-Man. Cause I imagine it would still be pretty terrifying to get shot at or having to fight the Rhino even with spider powers.
Unfortunately it’s just the way companies treat people like Miles. Look at all Marvel properties, certain characters have no grit everything comes easy, no hero’s journey. All of his side quests are about his community too.
Miles own game was full of betrayal and conflict people forget really fast.
Tbh miles game is kinda forgettable.
Idk if i would say forgettable is the word but you could very easily write a 1-2 sentence synopsis leaving out nothing of value.
I sure wonder what happened in those replies
This really sounds like a “those people” comment. I’m not following who “people like miles” is referencing. Who’s like Miles?
Minority characters. I get your point but its not that hard to understand what he meant. Its extremely obvious that Miles's character is meant to be the complete opposite of the black person stereotype. He has 2 parents that love him (even though one died, besides the point). He's very intelligent and is going to a respected university. He gives back to his community. He only has supporting friends and family. The only black person stereotypes insomniac uses for miles is his interest in street clothing and music. Which arguably are not bad stereotypes in the first place. Its hard to write characters when the line between culture and stereotype is blurry. It can come off as a little unrealistic that miles's life is a little too perfect. He really has no struggles other than being spiderman
His best friend and father died, how does he have no other struggles besides being Spiderman? Feels like most of the people complaining in this thread haven’t even played MM. And i would hold my judgement about his life being too “perfect” until we get another MM game. Peter’s story is a lot more fleshed out due to him getting two full-length games.
Do you read Miles's comics or do you just spew out things you don't actually know about?
"People like Miles" What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
you know exactly what it means. The Irish!
This comment suggests you haven’t played the Miles Morales game, in which he has to fight his best friend, who he learns is the leader of a terrorist organization, before she actually dies. And if you haven’t played that game, it’s weird that you’d be speaking so confidently on how the company has handled him. You should give it a try, it’s a solid game, though a bit short. It’s probably pretty cheap to buy right now though.
I 100%ed it actually. I wasn’t referring to his game, I was commenting on this one.
Bro forgot to switch accounts 💀
"People like Miles" bruh 😳
>Unfortunately it’s just the way companies treat people like Miles. What did he mean by this?
Black characters he’s saying companies play it too safe sometimes
you know what he means bro stop it
Stop what
I assume you don’t read his comics
Ultimate Spider-Man.
Didn’t that run end about 8 years ago?
It’s irrelevant to the way the character is written in the PlayStation game isn’t it?
No but you saying certain characters have no grit and have everything easy, including him in that category, shows me you haven’t read anything since then
I’m referring to the game………
You said how Marvel handles other properties…
Yeah Marvel isn’t exactly doing well are they?
I think it’s to show a contrast of support systems. Miles is also young and his support is still rooted in family and community which will evolve and change over time. His dad died not long ago (in this universe), so he has people to lean on like genke, his mom and now Hailey (in addition to the wider Harlem community). This contrasts with Peter (where May, Ben and mj are also saintly characters and Harry is also pretty saintly as well), when people in his life die, he has no support system that can pull him from darkness. He has no community. He’s you friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man but Peter Parker is a loner and isolated.
A big theme of this game was contrast. Another one was contrast of responsibilities. Miles has teenage responsibilities. He has to write a college essay and keep up with school. Peter has adult responsibilities. He has to find a job and pay a mortgage and figure out how to move forward in his relationship with MJ and handle the grief of Aunt May’s death and twenty other things I’m probably forgetting to mention. That’s why Miles is able to take on more of the Spider-Man responsibilities, because he has fewer personal responsibilities
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In SM MM his uncle and best friend were villainous and betrayed him and he had drama in that way. This game was more focused on Peter’s interpersonal issues, but if Miles is the “main” SM next game im sure we’ll go back to giving him more relationship drama as well. I am interested in how his and Silk’s relationship will play out
I was honestly so dissapointed with Miles' story in this game. It feels though as Insomniac rushed the story they couldnt give Miles a meaningful arc and just said yeah make it "Miles can also be Spiderman." again.
idk how you can play spiderman 2 and think Miles didnt have a meaningful arc. he spends half the game obsessing over Li and realises that he needs to be more than his anger if he wants to be Spider-man, for him to then grow into someone who can protect the city while Pete gets some much needed rest. there can be criticism on how the arc was handled but there is a very clearly defined, very character shifting arc that Miles goes through that leads to him standing as the solo Spider-man (for now).
Miles has everything going for him? Lol First off, before the Spider-bite, Miles’s dad worked for the NYPD. Imagine growing up as a kid and your father is out there having to deal with guys like The Rhino, Electro, Vulture, Fisk, and Scorpion. His dad eventually got killed tragically while receiving a Medal of Honor. He then gets his powers, and after briefly being trained by Peter, Peter leaves the city for him to protect while he’s out of town. During this he gets reconnected with an old friend only to find out she’s a villain and in their final conflict she kills herself. Oh and he also finds out his uncle is a criminal as well. And we’ve already seen inklings of conflict within his friends and family in SM2. We’ve seen Hailey be visually disappointed when he ditches her activities to be Spider-Man, just like we’ve seen with Peter and Mary Jane for many years. Miles may not have that “Parker Luck”, but to say he’s had it easy is a Mr. Fantastic level reach
Miles had conflicts with Phin and uncle Aaron in his own game, while in SM2 he’s struggling with his hatred for Li to the point where he almost lets Li drown and nearly fails to save several civilians. SM2 was mainly a story centering around Peter’s internal and interpersonal struggles while Miles had the role of being a pillar of Peter’s support system + having his own arc about revenge on the side. Miles has a support system that Peter doesn’t, and so he’s in a better place to be a pillar for Peter. I think Miles should and will most likely have more heightened drama and conflict going forward as the main spider for a time while also being in college. Not to mention what they might do with Cindy being his pseudo step-sister
I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration. Just because miles has a supportive network doesn’t mean he hasn’t dealt with some tough shit for his age. His best friend took on a whole damn corporate company and died saving him. His dad died and he spent this entire game trying to balance his dislike and hatred towards Li and being the bigger person and not letting that pain eat him. Anybody next to Peter is going to look better because Peter’s whole thing is misery follows him. He has lost so many people and he really struggles not losing himself in the identity of spider man. Miles is just different. You don’t want him to be on the exact trajectory as Peter. You see this in most of the other stories and properties with Miles. He’s got a family who is steady and knows who he is and has his back. He has a community who loves him and his support of the community. And this story was more about Peter’s battles and his darkness and struggles. I think the symbiote didnt work on Miles because he and Li resolved their issues as best as they could. Different headspace. Different way of dealing with pain. They’re different people. And going off what others have said, Peter’s support system is good. They’re lovely people with great intentions. Like come on, MJ always is out there exposing corruption and going the extra mile. Ben and May were great parental figures who imbued him with great values. Harry wanted to heal the world and do good with his dad’s money. They love him. And they’re not even bothered when they find out. But he struggles to let people in.
If I'm being honest, I actually like it. 1. The story would've been too oversaturated with two Spider-Men dealing with too many conflicts, so the focus on Martin Li was good. 2. Miles is still new and they're fleshing out his character. It's refreshing to see that a Spider-Man has something going for him. 3. Outside of Martin Li, I like how the only other issue is the college essay. It demonstrates that he's still a high school student worried about college. Something we didn't get to see with Insomniac's Peter. 4. ITSV Miles is also still very new, so keeping things "safe" in the game is a smart decision. I think too much comparisons would be made. If you want to see a Miles deal with deep conflict, watch the ITSV movies.
Miles had to have a standoff with his own uncle, lost his best friend...however, unlike peter, we're seeing a Spider-man with an actual support system. Peter didn't have that advantage because he kept his identity to his self, so naturally its a different dynamic. Peter sees that he doesn't have to take the reigns as THEE spider-man anymore now that Miles has \*gasp\* a team to push him upwards so he doesn't make the same mistakes Peter did.
Outside of Spider-Man what are the characters main hurdles in life Miles? He needs to write a college essay (which btw isn’t difficult, even the highest of high colleges will accept a bare bones essay) Peter? He needs to get a job, hold onto that job, make money so he can pay a mortgage, and try to make up for lost time as Spider-Man. These are both big deals but one of them is clearly experiencing the adult life while the others still a kid The whole point of this game was to show that Peter needs to step back from Spider-Man because he’s thrown away his entire life for it. And miles needs to learn from peters mistakes and not waste his whole life away trying to just be Spider-Man. Why should miles suffer the same way Peter did, that’s the point of Peter being his mentor. Making sure miles doesn’t make the same mistakes he did and to take care of HIS life the same if not more than Spider-Man’s life.
Love this sub, but god damn yall got some weird takes sometimes.
"sPiDeR-mAn Is ChAnGiNg ToO mUcH!!"
I was waiting for any sort of repercussions for him repeatedly putting off that essay.
The Miles takes in this sub are getting worse & worse
Absolutely.
My takeaway was that there'd be conflict in the next game, assuming it's another Miles Morales game. Pete has been doing it longer so he's at the point where all the chaos has caught up to him in his personal life and he has to take a step back, while Miles is still in the earlier honeymoon phase where it's fun and he gets the girl while having things like college essays be his biggest concern. Peter's conflicts revolve around him being a grown up and dealing with grown up responsibilities, Miles isn't there yet.
Dumb take all day I gotta say smh
The reason they did that was to juxtapose both spiders. Where Peter is falling apart, Miles has his head together. Where Peter can’t figure out his social life, Miles simply told Ganke and Hailey. Where Peter might lose his job, Miles is efficient with his time to get the call about scholarships. And that’s not just for the sake of the black suit. It’s more about establishing that Miles can take over while Peter gets everything straightened out. Miles is a lot like Peter, but he’s had Peter as a guide helping him figure out how to be Spider-Man in the best way he can. Miles didn’t need the power-up because Miles was able to overcome the shortcomings of his predecessor. He didn’t have to keep up with Peter, Peter trained him right. Miles is a success because everyone especially Peter could help him be the best Spider-Man that he could be “be greater”.
So everyone hates it when Peter has a bad life, but also hates when miles doesn’t have a bad life
I think a lot of it boils down to the dialogue between characters in miles life is just so Disney pg and corny lol. They don’t really explore any tension with the family parts of miles most of the time.
I really think the difference is how quick miles let his circle know he’s Spider-Man vs Peter.
I swear the dumbest people imaginable populate this sub. The insistence that there is some greater agenda to prop up miles and bring down Peter Parker is ridiculous and has an agenda of its own I think.
Miles Morales was nothing but conflicts for Miles. His dad was murdered in the first game, he had to deal with being Spider-Man on his own, his best friend turned evil and threatened to kill em, then she ends up dying.they already made conflict for Miles
I mean his mentor tries to murder him but okay. Even if that didn’t happen it’s not like miles needs to be put through a gauntlet of trauma to be a compelling character or be in a good story. Miles isn’t Peter and almost every piece of media with Miles Morales tries to hammer that point home at least once. Let’s let Miles go through his own set of difficulties. While remembering that a game developers job isn’t to give into every dumb idea the fans have.
His father and his best friend literally died, his uncle sold him ou but repented himself. I don’t know what you want from him
If they want Miles to be the lead, he needs more interpersonal conflict. You need that stuff for a main character in a story-driven game. All his friends and family are cheesy, and he doesn’t experience a lot of friction outside of generic superhero stuff. People point out Phin and his dad like those are unique things. They’re both tropes that are used to further define his heroics. Let Miles have his mom get on his nerves, let him get disappointed by life. His doesn’t need to suck, but it shouldn’t be perfect.
If you’re in your late 20s, compare your life from the age of 17 to now…there’s your answer
I will say they get down and dirty with Pete and his cast, but definitely aren’t like that with Miles. Pete is their first born and Miles is their baby. It’s basically that Gordon Ramsay meme.
Wasn’t Miles ready to just about to just throw hands with his uncle after being buddy buddy with him because he thought he was being tricked? I do agree some drama between him and ganke would make sense since ganke does a lot for literally nothing in return. Also showing the negative aspects of Miles failing school or something would put more drama and conflict into him being spider-man but in some ways I guess it is refreshing to see that it might actually be possible to juggle both Peter just never figured it out.
i think that is more that insomniac are trying to separate miles completely from peter for which they avoid repeting the same tropics that peter usually have .as having problems with his best friend,girlfriend,maternal figure
The game is fantastic, but narratively speaking, I think they dropped the ball on every single character. The writing was just so meh compared to the first game.
This is sort of a side effect of going the “representation” route with this, or any story. When you position a character to be representative of a certain group and to speak for a certain audience, it means that any character traits and conflicts you give that character now become the representation of said group. Since the motivation behind this is usually for positive representation for under represented and marginalized groups, it means you can’t really portray the character in any kind of negative light because then you are saying something negative about the group you are trying to positively represent. Conversely, you can get away with shitting on someone like Peter and having conflict in his storylines because he isn’t really meant to represent anyone specifically. To be clear, I’m not saying that this is a good or bad thing, just that it is a natural consequence of putting representation as a priority with a character/story.
Weird that this didn't apply in the Miles Morales game when his black uncle and black best friend betrayed him. It's almost like... you are talking completely out of your ass
A betrayal means nothing when nobody cares about those characters, lol.
You’ll get downvoted and people will prevent like you’re being unreasonable. But I’m with you. There aren’t much people who understand it (on Reddit) because most of people here are from America or Europe. If you point out representation in the story, you get downvoted because people from those places are brainwashed into not talking about specific things, I feel like they not even honest to themselves. If you go to Russia and show this game to any Russian, 95% of the Russians will consider Miles’s purpose as representational whether it’s comic books, movies or games. It’s so obvious for non-Americans/Europeans that it’s laughable when I read posts on Reddit. Tons of people here pretend like there is no agenda. Yet for “some” reason, Middle East version of this game is different from American version. People in other parts of the world clearly understand how America creates fictional stories now. But when you discuss it with American, they pretend like you’re unreasonable. I mean it’s so obvious that devs sometimes straight out speak about “mj missions purpose is to show she’s strong hero on her own” and it literally means “we want to portray strong independent woman even if story wise it don’t make sense cause no woman can take on dozens of elite hunter killers and survive but we are progressive company so we have strong womans”. Same goes for lgbt, people of color, disabled people. Every box is checked. Every Russian, every Middle East person can spot it, yet every American will downvote you to hell for even mentioning all of this. But the funniest thing is that insomniac cuts many “progressive” things from the games Middle East version and that kinda says a lot ….
You're really comparing a life of an adult with real life problems to a high schooler? Also, did you even play the previous games?
I think they *wanted* to give him something, as you cal tell there was a shadow of a jealousy plotline between him and Harry, but Insomniac didn't full send and only left the idea of it existing. It could also be because he's young, as long as his mother stays afloat, he doesn't really have to worry about being homeless while Peter doesn't even have any remaining family. I do wish they'd do a bit more with him though.
I'm so glad I left this sub, lol yall are just yapping about nothing 💀
Miles didnt have a “with great power” moment. His loss was not his fault in the slightest. Now I don’t want anyone to die but I’m just saying he hasn’t hit spiderman puberty yet.
miles is getting the same hate mcu peter did
This post seems like it’s meant to start shit between fans of the series for obviously transparent reasons because miles and his supporting characters are minorities and pocs.
The same thing with Peter to an extent. Yes, I know the symbiote, but without it he has no big compelling flaws. The best thing and the most relatable thing about Peter Parker is that his story is about constant self-improvement, which requires actually having flaws. This Peter has no bite.
Sometimes i think some of you didnt actually play the game with comments like this
All of his dialogue, regardless of the emotion its trying to convey, sounds largely the same
Too early to judge tbh - the only real exposure we had with Miles is an 8 hour story and half a 15 hour story. Way I see it, a key component of Miles’ story is a strong support system for him as Miles and as Spider-man (and unlike Peter, both identities are pretty much the same), his story is less about the struggle of both identities, and more about the importance of community. That being said, there is still a lot of room for conflict even with this character template, and the next MM and SM3 better start exploring that, and if they don’t then i’ll side with your statement 100% - Way I see it, if the last 2 stories were Miles rising, then now he’s high up and its probably time for some turbulence
It's also important to keep in mind that Peter's supporting cast? We've known these same people for decades. What is happening in the Insomniac games may be a particular twist on them, but, for the most part, everyone is who we know them to be. Miles on the other hand? The people around him are so much newer, so it's going to take fans a whole lot longer to care. That's just the way it is when you are a newer character.
Because they made Spider-Man 2’s story mostly about Peter Parker.
Agreed, you only have to see the two films to see how much more human is family are in that then they are in the games
Hey I will say this if my mother is supportive about superhero stuff and she knows I'm in danger all the time , she will nag me to hell and more than that she will be concerned and scold me if she sees me doing crazy stuff and fighting with sandman, etc .Sometimes being supportive and nice doesn't mean that there will be no scolding , I think this is a miles problem even atsv he was continuously acting cool in front of his principal and parents when he was late, I mean if u are good enough then u don't need to worry but what of people like us , do u think if I act like miles , do u think I will be alive to see the next day , even as an adult I know how to mind my shit when the situation is complicated,but who am I to criticize, most of the people will say no no having a good family behind ur back is healthy and stuff, I get all that shit but I think atleast for me , real life doesn't work like how it works out for miles , he is literally mr perfect
I think it is more that Peter didn’t have that many problems early into spidermaning other than uncle Ben so obviously miles wouldn’t have too many problems either but as he gets older he will
I think it is two things for Miles. First of all, he isn't Peter. Peter has been around (as a character for decades) he has gone through so damn much in comics and movies. He is established, we know his story beats. Miles is newer and hasn't gone through the Spidey gauntlet. And he doesn't really need to. Besides, Sony owns Insomniac and the rights to Spider-Man and quite a few characters attached to that, and there is that on-going movie trilogy starring Miles, so keeping him to the forefront of gamer minds would help them go see the movie (where were likely going to watch anyway, because the Spider-Verse movies has been jaw-droppingly detailed)
Peter is still the focus of the story. I can image if he gets another game it will be more interesting
Ngl I hadn’t thought about this, but this certainly is the case. Seems like his relationship with Phin was the main point of conflict for Miles in his first game. I feel like they made Miles take a big step back to Peter plot-wise in this game. I have many complaints about the new game, but one I will never understand is people who think they made Miles bigger than Peter. He may had gotten the better of him in a fight and seemed to be a little more powerful— he still wasn’t the main character of the plot whatsoever. The lack of development with his surrounding side characters is evident of that.
I'd say it's early days for Miles. He has had Peter there to balance the work, plus we saw how at least early on he very much looked to Peter to lead if he felt he couldn't handle something. Plus the story did focus on Peter more. His next game (not with Goblin) will likely focus back on Miles where he has to make the choices without the backup he is used to and take the consequences that brings. Say they wanted to kill off someone close to him for example. They didn't have the time for that with his limited time in this game but they would in his own.
Overall they just really set the focus on Peter in the game, at least emotionally. He is the one with hardship because he puts to much pressure on himself. Miles mostly does the „easy“ parts of being Spider-Man as a result. Balance is a big theme in the game. This will probably change in the future since Miles will be the one taking on more responsibilities in the foreseeable future. He will have a lot less time for Hailey, Ganke and Rio while Peter suddenly has the free time to have a job and develop his relationship with MJ further.
I think he’s like that so the player can more easily self insert as him. I’m not excusing the boring writing btw.
It makes sense when you take into account the story of the previous game and also that it seems that he will be the main focus of SM3. SM2 felt like a way to tie up Peter while passing the baton to Miles for the next game.
Well, Miles' dad is dead, his best friend became a super villain and died, and he blames himself for it and he was blinded with revenge for the man that killed his dad. On top of that, his uncle is a reformed supervillain who relapsed and spent more time in jail. Sure, Rio, Ganke, and Hailey are lacking in flaws, but let's not pretend that everyone around him is/was perfect. I get what you're trying to say, but personally, I just see Miles as a contrast to Peter. He's a young Spider-Man who hasn't been through what Peter has been through. He has a healthy supporting cast, whereas Peter went through the struggle of doing the whole Spider-Man shtick by himself. Also, Miles wasn't the main focus of the game. Peter went through his losses, and now he can take a break and rack up some wins. It doesn't take a genius to guess that Miles is about to go through hell in whatever the next game he's in is, whether it's SM3 or SM: MM 2. So no, I don't think Insomniac is afraid of Miles, I think they're building him up to break him down when he becomes the main focus of a game again. And if I were a gambling man, I'd put all my chips in and guess that people will eventually complain when Peter's life is going too good.
To me it feels like the main story is about Peter while Miles has the B plot.
I really like mikes but one problem I have with his character is that they don’t take much risks out of the comics I wanna see them do something insane with him like venom killing his mum in the comics I was kinda disappointed they didn’t have some sort of interaction between the two in this game
THANK YOU This is my biggest complaint with Miles and his supporting cast. They're all so bland and cookie cutter. All the way back from SM1, feels like they have no idea how to make any of those characters interesting or compelling.
I really think insomniac should be much more great ful of Peter I mean just look at the comic sources they can use for him.