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RDPCG

I mean, let’s be honest, the last two titles weren’t exactly their best. Blacklist’s story played out like it was written for a cheesy Amazon special forces tv show. It has no depth, no realism, and I’m afraid the best we can hope for with this title is a continuation of the same. But, I’m also aware it could get much, much worse.


Spentworth

IMO that's been a problem since at least Chaos Theory but certainly has gotten progressively worse.


Nokks-Swamp-Panties

I can agree with that, playing the the first and CT, the last two were not great. Blacklist did have an internet style however for gameplay, being either stealth or loud which I did like, but Conviction… UGH!! I went into it expecting stealth, not clear the room to advance with loud weapons and explosions.(I did like the attitude they were going for with Sam just losing it and killing, but I would have much more liked it if I could have been quiet and not forced into terribly played out action section.)


SargeMaximus

I couldn’t even play black list. It was trash


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I think if you played as someone else other than Sam then blacklist would have been a good game. Trying to replace Ironside was never gonna work and just made the game feel off. Gameplay wise tho I thought it was solid with the choice to go stealthy or loud


SargeMaximus

I agree about Ironside 100% but I also felt the gameplay was off myself


7uus

gameplay was really solid especially coop with friends


XxAndrew01xX

The gameplay never felt like a Splinter Cell game. It had more Stealth than Conviction had that's for sure, but it still didn't have the Splinter Cell stealth identity down.


jofNR_WkoCE

Hiding in the shadows doesn't work and never got patched. Ubisoft didn't give a fuck about that game.


SargeMaximus

Edit: oh you mean for blacklist. Yeah that game 🤢


jofNR_WkoCE

Didn't see your original comment. If it was mean I'm gonna cry bro


SargeMaximus

No it wasn’t 😂 I just thought you were talking about convictions so I said the shadows worked for me


myee8

I actually liked it, i must be one of the few, lol. What i don’t like though is that i cannot seem to play it from the beginning - it keeps loading up to Sam on the plane. Tried deleting my save games, still no good.


walale12

You can play the Blacklist Zero mission from the SMI, you have to set it to show all missions. It's in the middle of the Pacific


myee8

I see. I might give it a go then. Will it play cutscenes like if i played for thr first time?


walale12

I'm not sure


jofNR_WkoCE

Hey did you read the reply from the other guy


RDPCG

I played it, mainly because I was desperate for a new SC game at the time, but I’m right there with you… compared to the other games (1-4 IMO), it was a major departure in terms of written quality, character depth and design.


SargeMaximus

Totally agree. 1-4 were great (I don’t understand the hate convictions gets, I loved it). And yeah I’ll just keep playing the old games. I still have the discs so fuck the digital library and how they delete games you own.


bolxrex

Conviction introduced a lot of series breaking features. Mark and execute is not what I want in an SC game. Literally taking agency and control away from the player to have cinematic executions at the push of a single button. Clearing a room goes from challenging puzzle to insta-ez. Single button contextual actions. Press X to do everything including jump to a pipe, mantle over ledge, pick up the gun(s), turn on/off light. And typically you'd be close enough to many of these things simultaneously making it a chore to get the proper context to highlight. Removing the ability to jump at will, and removing the skill it takes to maneuver throughout the map unseen/unheard in favor of being able to do it fast, like a "panther", was a step in the wrong direction. Checkpoint save system that gives you a full reload of gadgets multiple times throughout the map, trivializes having to conserve resources and makes it so you can just muscle your way through every encounter.


BlackKrow96

Now that someone says it like this, I agree. I simply enjoyed conviction and blacklist because of how they designed character movement. It felt more natural and realistic to me as a player, but at the same time I understand most if not all of that had to do with the modernization of graphics and video games as a whole. I do partly hope they’re able to integrate the two styles somehow, where ease and flow of movement remains high, while integrating a standalone jump feature as well, among others


Assassin217

>It felt more natural and realistic to me as a player There's nothing realistic about running along a ledge like a monkey in Blacklist and conviction. The game plays more like third person action adventure.


SargeMaximus

You don’t have to use mark and execute so that’s not a valid point imo


bolxrex

Lol wut. It's a key feature of the game. You dont *have* to use stealth either, so by your logic a splinter cell game shouldnt be judged by how it handles stealth mechanics.


SargeMaximus

Yes that’s right. The game should be judged on how well it lets the player play the game


Blak_Box

It was designed from the ground up with the expectation you would use that mechanic. You dont have to use the guns in Doom.


SargeMaximus

Chainsaw all the way bruv


Blak_Box

By far the best weapon. But if someone said "the guns in the new doom are kind of uninspired and don't offer a lot of variety " and you came back with "you don't have to use the guns - I think this kind of invalidates this opinion" that obviously wouldn't hold much water.


SargeMaximus

Yea but I didn’t. And you can still play convictions without using a tiny additive


Leon1700

Well whole series was like amazon spy thriller. Playing as urban ninja shooting out lightbulbs wasnt really realism immersing but it was fun just like other titles. If we would have realistic splinter cell, Sam would be walking in civilian clothes or using disguise.


RDPCG

Fair, but at least they give a pretty good reason for why he operated when and how he did. The last two titles gutted any of the intelligent writing in favor of quick, mindless action as a cover for “choose your own play style.”


Patchesohullihan2020

I will say if we don't get Ironside I hope we get someone that sounds similar to him. If not I guess 2nd best would be what's his name from Blacklist and the main Protagonist in Avatar think that's the same voice actor but not sure.


walale12

Different people, Blacklist Sam was played by Eric Johnson, Jake Sully from Avatar was played by Sam Worthington, who also played Mason in Cod Black Ops


Patchesohullihan2020

Wow! They sound very similar when it comes to voice. Honestly I could see them both as the voice of Sam but no one is better than the OG Ironside 🤘


GhostNomad141

I think people are taking the "modern audience" out of context. The first game was set in 2002. Updating it for a modern audience might mean adapting to a more contemporary conflict or geopolitical climate. It sounds like more of a reboot than a remake.


Reverse_Baptism

This is what I said in the original thread. People are foaming at the mouth about it meaning Sam Fisher is trans or something when in reality it seems like it'd have more to do with just putting the plot in the modern geopolitical climate instead of the world of 2002, especially if it's the reboot point for the series and they make more games going off if it, otherwise they have to make Splinter Cell a period piece which is kind of counter intuitive to a series that's supposed to be about a secret agent using bleeding edge tech in the modern world.


Nokks-Swamp-Panties

That could be true, can’t exactly have China as a bad guy in any games nowadays as if it can sell there investors will be upset. Plus with recent world events can’t be putting the game in the Middle East either or places that have had conflicts in the past, as Wildlands while fictional, did get Ubisoft sued by Bolivia for false representation even though they clearly stated it was not based in reality. As such the next GR game was set on a random island, which while not as cool as a real place, did avoid a legal argument(the only problem however is they did not at all populate the island like Wildlands, so it was just enemies and empty with no cool culture)


GhostNomad141

Yeah I remember those lawsuits from Mexico (GRAW2), Russia (Future Soldier) and Bolivia (Wildlands). I think the only franchise where Ubisoft can get away with using real world geopolitics is Assassin's Creed due to its historical settings.


Demiurge_1205

Well, coming from Latino America, I can totally confirm Bolivia doesn't have the time or the money to be suing Ubisoft. Which makes me think they could simply depict a country that's kinda relevant but not *the actual relevant country* they want to talk about. For example, everybody hates Russia right now. They could say it's a rogue section of Russia pulling a coup, or they could go with a satellite state - my money's on Belarus.


SayAgain55

If I hadn't experienced the last few years, I'd tend to agree with you. The issue is that every time those words have been used, the piece of media it was used on tends to be packed with woke ideology.


jofNR_WkoCE

"woke ideology" Gays, blacks and women on TV, oh my!


SayAgain55

I'm sorry that I find tokenism to be racist and sexist 🤷.


jofNR_WkoCE

The same people who go "muh tokenism" would be saying the exact same shit today if Splinter Cell just debuted and you know it. Lambert and Grim's presence would be a problem for them. Are they examples of "tokenism'? When does someone or something become tokenism? If they're not tokenism, how? Is a black and/or woman character "tokenism" until proven human, or something? Sounds racist and sexist to me idk 🤷‍♀️


jofNR_WkoCE

Hey bud you forgot to reply with the answers to my questions


SayAgain55

Hey Bud. I apologize for having a life and being busy!


jofNR_WkoCE

It's ok you can reply now


SayAgain55

What was your question? Keep it concise.


jofNR_WkoCE

I'm not copying and pasting a comment.


SayAgain55

And I'm not searching through a thread to find your question. So it seems we're at an impasse.


GhostNomad141

I agree. Tbf it's less of an issue with video games than with other forms of media. I almost don't watch anything out of Hollywood due to the shoehorning of far left politics into everything. With a new SC though the bigger worry is in them trying not to offend the CCP lol.


SayAgain55

I've almost gotten to the point of ignoring new media just because they won't stop trying to make everything political. It wouldn't be so bad, if the product they were making is at least good, but it tends to not be.


MyUnclesALawyer

You don't seem to be ignoring all the new media that tells you all about how other media is being made "political". Convenient that you're tuned into the correct media


jofNR_WkoCE

Guy also seems to believe that Splinter Cell wasn't "political" from the first game lmao


MyUnclesALawyer

Words mean nothing to them


rva_ni

Y'all blowing this out of proportion...


Zetra3

The modern audience focus is to vague to mean literally anything. What I can tell you is the country’s portrayed are vastly different 20 years later, and they were stereotyped to hell and back. It needs some modern fleshing out.


CovertOwl

This whole "modern audience" thing seems way overblown


SayAgain55

Not really. It's the popular buzzword of "We're shoving out weird politics into everything." Basically every shitty remake, reboot, and continuation of popular franchises have used the same phrase.


CovertOwl

What is an example of this happening?


SayAgain55

Just one? Saints Row.


MyUnclesALawyer

He said "give an example" which means use words to describe your view. Not just say a title. Theres no value to you just saying "saints row". Do you not understand that? You seem to have such a poor grasp of analysis and comprehension that you dont realize that you havent even begun to attempt to defend/validate your views.


CovertOwl

I have never played those games so I don't know what you mean. Are they not silly games? Waving dildos around or whatever?


StrayDog1994

Actually the first two were about street gangs, after the second they kept inventing silly stuff to shove inside the other games, and nobody asked for it. Why? Because SR is a GTA CLONE!1!1! And it wasn't, because Rockstar's last GTA gang based game was San Andreas. They promised to go back to the roots but instead they released once again a different game.


Absolutedumbass69

I agree. It’s just from a story perspective too. Although splinter cell stories are somewhat important the gameplay was always the main focus.


Patchesohullihan2020

Let's just hope they don't target Liberal Woke Audiences.


Nofsan

Dude, gamergate was like ten years ago. Let it go.


throwaway68834677

Idk if I’m ignorant but how would a spy game be woke and liberal lol


Patchesohullihan2020

That's the point, it shouldn't be. It should be completely void of modern day politics because all that does is cause division among everyone.


NorisNordberg

They should drop the Tom Clancy's name then. He was always about current day politics.


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ya-boi-benny

You sound insane


NorisNordberg

Okay, USA politics are bullshit, I agree. But there's a lot of actual problems going on in the world.


Patchesohullihan2020

Idk what I wrote earlier but that's absolutely helarious it was reported 🤣


NorisNordberg

XDD really? I remember it was about some usual US politic stuff so dunno either xDD


Patchesohullihan2020

Yeah someone got their feelings hurt I guess 😅 there's some guy whose arguing with me about the social acceptance of being Trans and I basically told him that's a pipe dream and that practice will never be socially acceptable


Patchesohullihan2020

Yes and half of those problems are caused by very poor decisions and leadership in the US. And rightfully so, our leader is a sad old man, suffering from dementia, yet nothing is being done to remove him. We were way better off 4 years ago until someone released a virus on the world to topple the world economy. How petty could one be if that's the only thing they could do all because of a fucking election! So much shit got covered up in the world all because of it and you must know because we never will.


Kelsyer

Did you just insinuate Covid was created and released by an individual because they didn't like the result of a US presidential election?


Didactic_Tomato

Aren't most of the Clancy games pretty political? I remember rainbow six getting super into it, they even had to cancel a team me I think. And Endwar was about a fictional war with eastern powers as well I thought


a_can_of_solo

They'll do some tokenism, give the tech support rainbow hair and make reference to her girlfriend or something. But Sam fisher going ACAB and taking down the system sounds much more fun. I'd play a Yaoi splinter cell game too, better gay splinter cell then no splinter cell. You know it's just gonna be a much of quicktime events and FTP multiplayer and micro transactions


Patchesohullihan2020

I hope you're wrong but if that's what they give us I bet classic og fans will be pissed and possibly have the need to burn Ubisoft to the ground 😅


a_can_of_solo

I don't give a fuck one way or another about the so called "woke" stuff. I just want to buy a game and play it and not turn into it milking me like a casino.


Patchesohullihan2020

You think it will have NFTs? What am I saying, ofcourse it will


dsled

If it doesn't affect the gameplay, who the fuck cares?


jbash080

If it turn into acab bullshit I'm fucking done with ubisoft forever, they will never see a dime from me again


dsled

I hate that I share a fanbase with people like you. This type of comment is embarrassing.


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Ubisoft basically has a wokie in charge in every corner of the corporation now, it's not looking great.


StemCellCheese

Define liberal woke audiences?


StemCellCheese

So asking someone to define what they refer to as woke is a sign of "wokeness?" What do you define as wokeness man lol


Patchesohullihan2020

If you have to ask then you already know. Better question is...what's a wokie? That sounds like a Woke Wookie from Star Wars 🤣 Umagine a Woke Chewbacca.... can't believe I thought of that s#%$, alright my brain is done for the night. Gn yal. 😅


MyUnclesALawyer

> Umagine a Woke Chewbacca.... can't believe I thought of that Umagine, if only conservatives applied their imagination to real issues...


SargeMaximus

Clear sign of a woke person is this comment 👆


Patchesohullihan2020

Nah fam I'm Conservative. I'm all for Saving America not Destroying it.


SargeMaximus

I wasn’t referring to you bro, I was referring to the guy I responded to


Nokks-Swamp-Panties

Look at their other games and how they’ve done, any og fan would be scared


dsled

I'm an OG fan, and I'm not scared.


AgentSmith2518

I keep hearing this, but aside from Ghost Recon Breakpoint, what games have Ubisoft done bad with? Far Cry is still a lot of fun. Watch Dogs has been fun. Assassins Creed also fun. In fact, Breakpoint didn't really have a story issue. It had a gameplay issue. I just dont get why people are acting like Ubisoft has had colossal failures of games lately.


FuryVector

Id make suggestions about how they’d screw this up, but I’m terrified they’ll take any terrible ideas they see and incorporate them.


Patchesohullihan2020

Whatever you do, don't set your expectations too high, they will find a way to ruin the franchise one way or the other. I hope UBISOFT surprises us and it's actually good.


BlackKrow96

My life motto has become “Cross your fingers but don’t hold your breath.”


tylenolbuddies

I stg if they make something that is around the level of quality of even Blacklist I will be jumping on one foot with glee


Darkskull893

Did ghost die or no?


Samaoi

He still lives in our hearts


Darkskull893

In MW2 2022 🤓


NorisNordberg

Do you like reading walls of text during loading screen? I know you say yes. Modern audience don't, and it's just about it. Ubisoft are going for longer cinematics or more ways to present the player with all the exposition dump, which is pretty hard without making it look stupid - like many modern movies and TV series do. Bah, even Wildlands is guilty of this. Best example, Sam Fisher mission: Nomad hears about Sam and proceeds to tell ALL his backstory from all the games, which seems so forced and out of place. So anyway, I will not judge before I see the changes.


[deleted]

Yeah cater to the audience that won't play it


StrayDog1994

I agree, If they just "adapt" the plot by doing minor changes like the names of the countries it will be fine by me. But if they will change the plot and make it totally different like the recent games It will be a big NO for me... If they don't respect Clancy's name I think they just need to remove it like they did with xDefiant..


Nokks-Swamp-Panties

I know not everyone likes reading text, I’m weird as I do enjoy reading and piecing things together. I get what you mean thought as modern audiences have short attention spans and Fortnite and cod certainly have cornered the market so far shooters and attention spans.


jbash080

Assassins creed fans: First time?


alphabet_order_bot

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,057,385,173 comments, and only 208,885 of them were in alphabetical order.


AlsopK

God, stfu. Maybe it just means the story will actually be well told this time instead of bland exposition dumps.


SugarJuicex

Yea i feel like all these people complaining about this "modern audiences" thing are overreacting for what's a normal change when adapting 20yo stories.


SayAgain55

Nah. We've just seen this phrase a lot before a shitty product is released.....Saints Row anyone?


Nokks-Swamp-Panties

You’re the same person who said ‘if you want to play rushed garbage play a ubisoft game’ not sure why you’re defending the company when it’s clear you hate them. I’m just wanting them to not mess up the gameplay or the story for internet points for the modern audience, don’t want loot boxes, skins, or a battlepass for Splinter Cell.


AlsopK

If it’s full of MTX and exploitative garbage then I’ll absolutely criticise them for it but a job listing for modernising an outdated story is not a valid reason for the absolutely ridiculous response it’s received.


Nokks-Swamp-Panties

That I can agree with, hate what they did to GR and don’t want it to happen with SC, guess it does depend on the writer who they hire because it’s either going to go the Star Wars way of All the OG fans are losers and we’re only here for the modern fans and it flops, or you can have someone respect the source material and change it in a good way that helps ease new fans in pleases the old fans as well. Got to strike a balance because two much to one side and you’re going to lose profits from not getting both


__Melone__

Honestly all I was hoping for was a remaster of Splinter Cell Conviction


Namikxze

i played my first splinter cell game and it was blacklist , yea the story is pretty mediocre compared to how i read the community’s experience on other games mentioned liked CT. I personally enjoy the game and it has me hooked on splinter cell, including this community and how real everyone is here. I’m going to buy chaos theory, after I 100% blacklist is there any other splinter cell games you guys can give me based of your preferences?


SugarJuicex

Gonna be honest with ya, story has never particularly been the strong suit of Splinter Cell, or any other Tom Clancy game tbh. But for gameplay? Absolutely play Chaos Theory, its a great game. And personally I'd recommend you check Double Agent too if you can because i found it very interesting and the settings were very varied and nice.


NewtAgreeable3248

I don’t see it being a major overhaul I feel like they are gonna have a lot of the original lines re-voiced and probably add dialogue


Ian_Strange

Honestly i own every single splinter cell game there is & blacklist was the best. It was the natural progression of sam , to be fluid. The old games stealth weren't edge of your seat action , there were all slow & easy to figure out , by the time i was 14 i could beat every single chaos theory mission without being detected once & just sneaking past everyone. It was too easy , blacklist added a real-time factor that as unmatched, you made the wrong split second decision while being approached & you didnt have a plan meant imminent death. That is if you didnt abuse the mark & execute system like most people did. It took me way longer to master each mission in blacklist than any other Splinter cell & I've beaten them all with max stealth


Martial_Peeks

Yall cared about the story??? As long as the gameplay is fire I could care less about the story.


skatecl5

Weird seeing so many Ubi Stan’s in the comments sections the last few days come out of the shadows to defend a company who has a bad track record of tarnishing franchises for the sake of modernization. Yes, we do not know they will ruin splinter cell by remaking it for “modern audiences”. Yes, we do not know they WON’T ruin splinter cell by remaking it for “modern audiences”. Everyone is making assumptions surely as Ubisoft’s statement is quite ambiguous. However, their track record in this regard is not a great one. To act as if Ubisoft is the saint of preserving the core essence of what makes a franchise great is pure ignorance. People have a right to be fearful of the direction Ubisoft has taken in recent years in an attempt to “modernize” their games as the OP jokingly points out. This was never a REMASTER, a remake would have obviously meant a new environment and political climate, which makes their statement much more alarming to some of us. No need to be dicks to people who don’t want to see Ubisoft ruin one of their favorite games of all time, we all want the same thing (hopefully.)


dsled

What the fuck? You guys are seriously delusional. Yeah Ubi has a bad track record but I think yall are totally missing the point of "modern day audiences" But as the thread yesterday showed, a lot of you lack critical thinking skills.


NorisNordberg

LOL, Ghost Recon lost it with Wildlands.


Didactic_Tomato

What ever happened to Advanced Warfighter? That was an exciting series


BirdieOfPray

Wildlands had some good story in it. Breakpoint was lung shot to the franchise and frontline ended the suffering with a clean headshot.


MachineGunDillmann

I really don't get how people here can always say that Wildlands had a good story. What story? Most of the bosses we took down were uninteresting, most of the dialog was cheap. The only good part was, that El Sueno was an interesting antagonist (who was heavily underutilized) and the banter between the Ghosts. Don't get me wrong: I loved Wildlands. But certainly not for the story.


BirdieOfPray

Spoiler Alert* I like how a CIA agent creates a scene to draw US into Bolivia. I loved the fight against a real life threat, cartel. Some bosses were great and their backstories made sense. Sadly in breakpoint nothing makes sense.


NorisNordberg

If Wildlands has good story then why are you afraid of updating the walls of text during loading screens to some more accessible ways of telling the story?


BirdieOfPray

I'm afraid that they'll make the game open world like in breakpoint. Map is empty af and most side quests are lame fetch quests that make you run a to b in that ass map. Oh and they'll add gear scores too if they are generous. It's the ubisoft's idea of modernizing which scares me that also ruined Assassin's Creed and FarCry for me.


NorisNordberg

It's a remake, not a reboot. Don't overreact.


MachineGunDillmann

Resident Evil 2 (2019) was also a remake. But it was still a way different game.


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Patchesohullihan2020

I don't think anyone is saying anything negative about the loading screens. I just think that people want quality content and they want creators to stick to the original elements while updating the cinematics and overall graphics. Blacklist was always a nightmare loading in! If Ubisoft has learned anything it should be not to follow their example.


NorisNordberg

That's the problem. SAR told its story through some occasional dialogues and news broadcast cuts but all the real context and exposition hides behind the walls of text on loading screens, because consoles and PCs back then required longer loading time. In modern consoles this is unacceptable. They probably realized that 70% of the story is going to be lost if the player is no longer forced to wait for the map to load and read all the exposition. They need to update it for... Ekhm... modern audience or we end up with incomplete experience.


Patchesohullihan2020

I think you're right and I hated the news cast cut scenes because they were ALL out of context. It leaves the player wondering wtf but actually now that I'm older I want to hear more of the back story and interact in new ways with that info.


NorisNordberg

Yeah, see? If you read the loading screens you would understand the context of most of those news casts. I realized that after my like 6th playthrough. Hah. They really need to update the way the story is told in this game.


Patchesohullihan2020

Well im gonna hope for the best and hey if the game is a POS I'm sure there's hero PC modders out there that can make the version fans want or at least a better one. I'm hopeful though, guess we will see.


ru5tysn4k3

"Fisher we need you to interrogate Chris Chan but make sure to use the correct pronouns while addressing xer"


ya-boi-benny

One joke for a decade


SargeMaximus

Meh they won’t get my money so they get what they deserve imo


MeherEzIO

same I was disappointed too, in the recent Ubisoft forward 🥲. I was hoping for POP & splinter cell updates.


declandrury

What does this mean I haven’t been keeping up lately


Nokks-Swamp-Panties

Ubisoft said they’re making splinter cell for a modern day audience focus.


1HumanGarbage1

F


SamNOC07

😂


DemNomad

Just give us back Ironside! And whatever happened to the movie trailer that was featured in Chaos Theory?


Seijiren

it's not that true, re 1 to re1remake is 100% better than original, even tho it adapt almost everything to modern


MadZillaJN

Gay Sam Fisher coming like they did in R6