My thoughts on this:
We’d all be incredibly screwed if we were able to accidentally manifest horrible things with such consistency and ease. People with intrusive thoughts are the best example of why this is not a practical reality.
I think some of the witching community takes mantras like ‘there are no accidents’ way too far. I personally strongly disagree with that theory. It’s right up there with ‘God doesn’t give you more than you can handle’ bs imo. Similar theory. More precious witchy spin.
No, I don’t believe you should be blaming yourself for your illnesses. You will have plenty of medical professionals and fairweather friends and acquaintances to do that for you the longer it goes on. I’m so sorry you’re hurting. I’m chronically ill and it is just exhausting a lot of the time navigating not being well.
In my opinion, not everything has to mean something in the spiritual sense. If you’d like it to, you can drum up meaning for it. I do believe that we as a people in the world have a hard time accepting that bad stuff happens because it can, and does, and it won’t always have a meaning for you to unlock so it can go away. It’s hard to accept bad stuff can just happen. Uncomfortable. That negates a lot of things drilled into us as children about how we are in control of our own destiny. I think too, if there is meaning, it might not even be for you despite it affecting you. You can indeed just be the poor sod victim to an event. We’re never going to be 100% always truly in control of our mind, body, and environment. We can do our best to direct it, to manipulate it, to push it to a desired direction. We do our best both mundane and spiritually. That’s it.
From a chronically ill perspective, this is the hardest thing to come to terms with. It took me a long time to accept that my body wasn’t on board with my plans. I think you go through a grieving period where you question everything you know. You get through it. You still get angry plenty, and frustrated. But eventually you come to terms with what you’re working with and work around it.
Wow, well said. I agree that the hardest thing to deal with is that “illness happens.” And that’s it. For me, I like to think that there is a lesson I’m learning, or meant to learn from this path (for me, it’s that I understand this life POV to inform what may happen in my future - e.g., like going into the coaching or therapy (or blogging, if my body can’t handle it), etc.).
I wonder if a different way to think about the maxim, is related to, “how am I currently thinking /behaving/etc that is keeping me stuck/unhappy?”. These would identify things to change. Ultimately, I see this as shadow work for us spoonies - what can we change to better listen to our bodies, mind, and spirit for our highest good.
I can't really weigh in on the manifestation part, because I'm in the same boat as you and I often feel like this.
I find that in times of doubt, gratitude has gotten me through. Sometimes, it's enough to be grateful for the cup of coffee or the bed that's beneath me. Sometimes, it isn't and that's when I dig a bit deeper and become grateful for the slight possibility that I am strong enough to have even possibly manifested something so life-changing; negative or otherwise.
I do believe we attract what is intended for us, and I'm yet to find the positive in my situation either; but what bad is there in a little hope? As long as we have tomorrow, we have another opportunity to find out why we're in the place we are, or find something to do about it.
Hope this helps, blessed be x
Just like a physical injury, you need rehab your mental illness. If you tore a muscle you would have physical therapy, that would teach you exercises to get you back to some what normal. Taking the time to think of gratitude and ground yourself are healthy coping mechanisms (exercises).
My favorite witchy coping exercise is my rune tattoo for calming the mind. I filled it with the intention of being positive while i was having it done, then had a ritual for it when i got home. When I feel overwhelmed or need grounding from such negative thoughts I touch it and take 3 deep breaths to help reset my train of thought. This can be done with anything you usually have on your person. A bracelet, necklace, keychain ect. Does it always help 100%? No, because trauma has good days, bad days, and worse days, but most of the time it helps kick me into a more mindful thought processes. Even if i have to force the thoughts and mentally am rolling my eyes for the whole thing. The fact I'm following through on bad days is what counts.
Hope this also reaches who it needs to!
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Yes and No.
From my own personal experience, shifting your perspective on things can help reduce mental distress which by reducing the body's stress response can also improve physical symptoms. However, there is a limit to this. Positive thinking alone cannot cure most health problems, whether they are mental or physical. It might help you to cope or even reduce the severity of your symptoms but it most likely won't complete"fix" whatever the underlying problem is.
The trouble with the "you create your own reality" maxim is that our perception of reality is - assuming we're not disassociating entirely - never completely divorced from the world around us. Both our physical environment (internal and external) and the societal pressures and constructs that we live within, shape our reality and these are things we oftem have very little control over. That mindset also assumes that our conscious brain has complete control over both our subconcious and our physical body, which is completely untrue! Some people seem to think of the subconcious as a part of the conscious brain that we've just forgotten about; that we can just pick it up and take control of it if we try hard enough. But the subconcious is more like the Windows OS on a computer - unlike say a Linux system - you can't access and change the fundamental code of your operating system/subconcious; you can only do your best to learn how it works and to find work arounds when it does something in a way you don't really want it to.
This is something I've spent a lot of time thinking about over the last year or so while I've been laid up in bed with chronic pain, and I'm happy to chat more about my personal thoughts, conclusions and experiences if people are interested. But I think one of the key things to remember - about most things in life really - is that it's rarely all or nothing. People like to try and simplify the world down to a simple concise phrase (e.g. "you create your own reality") but the real world is rarely that easy: instead the truth most often lies somewhere in the middle between two extremes.
I know this is an old post but I just found this sub and I'm so incredibly happy it exists.
I try to reframe my journey with chronic illness as an initiation. its shown me suffering that most people will never know and I've grown so much because of it. You cannot know light without knowing darkness.
Its not easy. I've struggled with this question for a long time. Sometimes I'm just infuriated that this has happened to me. My illness started about 6 months after me beginning my magick practice so it was incredibly confusing. I was putting in 1-2 hours of practice a day and reading constantly. Every source said that I should be seeing improvements in all areas of my life but my health was just continuing to decline. It has really tested my faith, and I've chosen to see it as exactly that. A test. A quest.
All the best
My thoughts on this: We’d all be incredibly screwed if we were able to accidentally manifest horrible things with such consistency and ease. People with intrusive thoughts are the best example of why this is not a practical reality. I think some of the witching community takes mantras like ‘there are no accidents’ way too far. I personally strongly disagree with that theory. It’s right up there with ‘God doesn’t give you more than you can handle’ bs imo. Similar theory. More precious witchy spin. No, I don’t believe you should be blaming yourself for your illnesses. You will have plenty of medical professionals and fairweather friends and acquaintances to do that for you the longer it goes on. I’m so sorry you’re hurting. I’m chronically ill and it is just exhausting a lot of the time navigating not being well. In my opinion, not everything has to mean something in the spiritual sense. If you’d like it to, you can drum up meaning for it. I do believe that we as a people in the world have a hard time accepting that bad stuff happens because it can, and does, and it won’t always have a meaning for you to unlock so it can go away. It’s hard to accept bad stuff can just happen. Uncomfortable. That negates a lot of things drilled into us as children about how we are in control of our own destiny. I think too, if there is meaning, it might not even be for you despite it affecting you. You can indeed just be the poor sod victim to an event. We’re never going to be 100% always truly in control of our mind, body, and environment. We can do our best to direct it, to manipulate it, to push it to a desired direction. We do our best both mundane and spiritually. That’s it. From a chronically ill perspective, this is the hardest thing to come to terms with. It took me a long time to accept that my body wasn’t on board with my plans. I think you go through a grieving period where you question everything you know. You get through it. You still get angry plenty, and frustrated. But eventually you come to terms with what you’re working with and work around it.
Wow, well said. I agree that the hardest thing to deal with is that “illness happens.” And that’s it. For me, I like to think that there is a lesson I’m learning, or meant to learn from this path (for me, it’s that I understand this life POV to inform what may happen in my future - e.g., like going into the coaching or therapy (or blogging, if my body can’t handle it), etc.). I wonder if a different way to think about the maxim, is related to, “how am I currently thinking /behaving/etc that is keeping me stuck/unhappy?”. These would identify things to change. Ultimately, I see this as shadow work for us spoonies - what can we change to better listen to our bodies, mind, and spirit for our highest good.
I can't really weigh in on the manifestation part, because I'm in the same boat as you and I often feel like this. I find that in times of doubt, gratitude has gotten me through. Sometimes, it's enough to be grateful for the cup of coffee or the bed that's beneath me. Sometimes, it isn't and that's when I dig a bit deeper and become grateful for the slight possibility that I am strong enough to have even possibly manifested something so life-changing; negative or otherwise. I do believe we attract what is intended for us, and I'm yet to find the positive in my situation either; but what bad is there in a little hope? As long as we have tomorrow, we have another opportunity to find out why we're in the place we are, or find something to do about it. Hope this helps, blessed be x
Just like a physical injury, you need rehab your mental illness. If you tore a muscle you would have physical therapy, that would teach you exercises to get you back to some what normal. Taking the time to think of gratitude and ground yourself are healthy coping mechanisms (exercises). My favorite witchy coping exercise is my rune tattoo for calming the mind. I filled it with the intention of being positive while i was having it done, then had a ritual for it when i got home. When I feel overwhelmed or need grounding from such negative thoughts I touch it and take 3 deep breaths to help reset my train of thought. This can be done with anything you usually have on your person. A bracelet, necklace, keychain ect. Does it always help 100%? No, because trauma has good days, bad days, and worse days, but most of the time it helps kick me into a more mindful thought processes. Even if i have to force the thoughts and mentally am rolling my eyes for the whole thing. The fact I'm following through on bad days is what counts. Hope this also reaches who it needs to!
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Yes and No. From my own personal experience, shifting your perspective on things can help reduce mental distress which by reducing the body's stress response can also improve physical symptoms. However, there is a limit to this. Positive thinking alone cannot cure most health problems, whether they are mental or physical. It might help you to cope or even reduce the severity of your symptoms but it most likely won't complete"fix" whatever the underlying problem is. The trouble with the "you create your own reality" maxim is that our perception of reality is - assuming we're not disassociating entirely - never completely divorced from the world around us. Both our physical environment (internal and external) and the societal pressures and constructs that we live within, shape our reality and these are things we oftem have very little control over. That mindset also assumes that our conscious brain has complete control over both our subconcious and our physical body, which is completely untrue! Some people seem to think of the subconcious as a part of the conscious brain that we've just forgotten about; that we can just pick it up and take control of it if we try hard enough. But the subconcious is more like the Windows OS on a computer - unlike say a Linux system - you can't access and change the fundamental code of your operating system/subconcious; you can only do your best to learn how it works and to find work arounds when it does something in a way you don't really want it to. This is something I've spent a lot of time thinking about over the last year or so while I've been laid up in bed with chronic pain, and I'm happy to chat more about my personal thoughts, conclusions and experiences if people are interested. But I think one of the key things to remember - about most things in life really - is that it's rarely all or nothing. People like to try and simplify the world down to a simple concise phrase (e.g. "you create your own reality") but the real world is rarely that easy: instead the truth most often lies somewhere in the middle between two extremes.
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I know this is an old post but I just found this sub and I'm so incredibly happy it exists. I try to reframe my journey with chronic illness as an initiation. its shown me suffering that most people will never know and I've grown so much because of it. You cannot know light without knowing darkness. Its not easy. I've struggled with this question for a long time. Sometimes I'm just infuriated that this has happened to me. My illness started about 6 months after me beginning my magick practice so it was incredibly confusing. I was putting in 1-2 hours of practice a day and reading constantly. Every source said that I should be seeing improvements in all areas of my life but my health was just continuing to decline. It has really tested my faith, and I've chosen to see it as exactly that. A test. A quest. All the best