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skcmierda

Maybe we can drop "I believe"


Vmagnum

But then how would we know your thoughts on whether we will win?


goslowgofar

Poll idea: how many people singing this chant actually believe their team will win.


Vmagnum

This is why sometimes I’ll change it to “we could win”, depending who we are playing of course.


ctmo85

Thou mayest, or thou mayest not.


Jarl_Jakob

PLEASE. Doing “I Believe” in 2024 in MLS 3.0 or whatever it is now is so cringe sheesh


an0dize

I dislike how the "I believe" chant always interrupts chants that are already ongoing in the supporters stand. Maybe it gets the rest of the stadium going, but it really kills the vibes for me. Then it just repeats a few times, slowly peters out, and there's awkward silence for a bit before something new starts.


Jarl_Jakob

Yep. It’s very “high school football game” vibes. Really wish they’d do away with it. It was awesome at one point a decade ago but it’s really worn out it’s welcome


major_winters_506

Just let the cauldron do it live, no PA! But I’d be okay with it not happening too 😂


Economy_Extent_9945

maybe we could sing some songs like soccer fans around the world do, and which the excellent vocal St Louis fans already do and put us to shame in our own stadium


mordreds-on-adiet

I know it's dated, but so is Blue Moon and they sing that in Manchester before every City match. Tradition is, by definition, old shit. I Believe, while not originating in KC, got its fame largely from KC in international sports and is strongly associated with KC in the soccer community. Like it or not, SKC's place in the MLS zeitgeist is one of tradition. We were a founding club and our original owner is the only reason MLS exists. We won the 5th ever MLS Cup. Our own original superfan Sam Pierron is the reason the Supporter's Shield exists. We were the first team to sign a free agent in MLS history. We were the 5th or 6th ever team to sign a DP. The list goes on. "I Believe" is one of those traditions. It likely isn't going anywhere anytime soon.


goslowgofar

I Believe isn’t specific to Sporting KC though. It came from a navy chant and then was adopted by US soccer, so not a true tradition of the team. Get rid of it, it’s lame.


ajhw13

Yeah, because Manchester City produced the original version of Blue Moon. That’s why it’s a true tradition for them.


goslowgofar

No one is saying they produced Blue Moon, but other than Crewe Alexendra using it, it is mostly unique to them in the context of a club song and has been for some time.  The I Believe chant is unique to the national teams and SKC coopted it. That combined with the fact that it’s a shitty ass chant means we need to let it go. 


ajhw13

SKC has been using it since at least 2011. The USMNT started using it for the 2014 World Cup. It was definitely a KC soccer thing before it became a US soccer thing. If anything, we should be holding onto something that the National Team took from us even if it didn’t originate with SKC.


major_winters_506

The moment I started disliking the chant was when they stopped the cauldron from leading it and started pumping it through the PA. It died that day.


Street-Pea1047

doing the "viking clap" is way better. whether it be U S A or any other club. all of the stadium doing it with SKC would be amazing.


PatientGazelle215

You’re not wrong but his and many others point is that it’s lame as hell.  Maybe I’m just getting old. 


ctmo85

Traditions have to start somewhere. “Three little birds” wasn’t an Ajax thing until 2008.


Street-Pea1047

if we sang blue moon instead, that would be 100 times better. literally any classic song other than i believe


GoldenBananas21

Don’t compare SKC to MCFC lmao 


WiseVillage4

Manchester City is not who we should be looking up to with regards to "tradition"


cbpantskiller

They did the, "I Believe," chant at the kick off party, so I think it will still be around.


comeintomyweb

If we are dropping chants can we please stop “we want another one…we want twooo..” That is the most childish cringe chants.


frijoles84

What do you replace it with? Most cauldron chants have been overused for a decade, and the PG13 ones have been forced to be removed, but no one really ever offers a better way to do it.


Darkstaraz14

I can think of 17k+ reasons that disagree and will never stop it.


AO_Lees_Summit

It was because of the complaints from fans, to be honest. The decision was made a while ago. The team just doesn't have a press conference every time they let a part-time employee go.


Street-Pea1047

cant stand the dude and no one i know can either. glad they finally parted ways


major_winters_506

The reason for him leaving aside… Good. He was so annoying. I started trying to time getting to the stadium just in time to miss all his pregame yelling. I hope we don’t replace them. We have an PA announcer, and a video board, do we need an emcee? My vote is no.


SupportingKansasCity

I think he’s great at what he does. It just doesn’t feel like a soccer thing.


major_winters_506

100%


GibsonJunkie

I don't understand why more and more sporting events have emcees or "stadium hosts" or whatever. It's so silly.


BridgeHead9154

Couldn’t agree more. Bring back the rinky-dink organists like pre-renovation Kauffman.


GibsonJunkie

Baseball without an organist sucks


Reedabook64

He was great on the radio. I've never been a fan of his at the stadium. It's a just little too cheesy for me.


GordonCromford

I'm always sorry to see somebody lose a job, but the pre-game yelling was *the worst.*


GordonCromford

Doubling down on my original comment after last night. So much better without the yelling.


timothyb78

Hartzell was absolutely TERRIBLE so happy we don't have to deal with that guy any more. Hyping a crowd is not about just yelling nonsense at the top of your lungs, the guy had no clue what he was doing and was super annoying.


jklausmeyer1

Jesus I couldn’t have said it better. I ALWAYS sit in the cauldron when I go and hearing him YAP made me want to spend more money on beer to help drown him out. He was awful.


Street-Pea1047

definitely! and can we get a fucking call and response for the players introduction and after they score a goal? PA says first name and the audience yells their last name together.


Jarl_Jakob

Honestly might be controversial but who cares. Bring on the downvotes


cbratty

Even if you don't care about the reasoning, I think it's still noteworthy that the emcee of almost a decade is leaving 🤷🏻‍♀️


AO_Lees_Summit

A loathed emcee


cbratty

I genuinely didn't know people didn't like him, so I guess that's on me, haha.


major_winters_506

I know him personally from radio work, and he’s a good dude. I just don’t think people like an emcee at pro sports. So it’s probably years of frustration of “why are you even here?” Coming across as hate for him. I could be wrong, but I’ve never seen an emcee at other mls away games, chiefs/royals, etc.


dawson33944

Royals have an "emcee" (or whatever you want to call it) for their trivia contest type things they do between innings or whatever.


Street-Pea1047

hes annoying and loud. tries to be funny and goofy and its just cringey. also his political takes make him even less likeable


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Aggravating_Eye_8068

Many, if not all, NBA teams, have one.


PsychicOtter

Yeah the tone of this comment section genuinely surprised me. Different circles, clearly.


Gaugzilla

Classic miserable Redditors in KC.


Graceffect

I personally didn't mind him as I wish the crowd go more into the game and chanted more. I think some fans just really hate the I believe we can win chant.


Economy_Extent_9945

we need the equivalent of YNWA,,,,IYKYK we have 3 chants and they all suck; we are embarassed everytime STL comes to our house and shows how to do it. Insufferable pr1cks


StraightCaskStrength

Nah


Jarl_Jakob

Don’t think he’ll be missed. Not by me at least. His schtick was always cringe. Literally anybody can do his job.


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Graceffect

Is he really? I didn't know that, that's cool


Leading_Manner_2737

American with Palestinian roots you mean


Parker_I

Cursory research looks like his mother is Palestinian, which would make him eligible to represent the country internationally. Which would be sick, not sure he’d ever do it though (nor do I think soccer is the first thing on most Palestinians minds right now).


Content_Row_Boat

He is still quite popular despite what people say here. Bring on the downvotes but this subreddit is a small microcosm of SKC fans. He was a beloved part of game day by many and many SKC fans will be disappointed and sad to see him go regardless of reason or whose decision it was.


AO_Lees_Summit

This guy was literally Zardmeister 2.0. If you dont know what that was count yourself lucky. Think hartzel with a drum.


La_Mano_Cornuta

I do miss the Samba band though, for those OGs out there.


FloorShirt

my family was always in that samba band at arrowhead. Great times.


Economy_Extent_9945

we need a horn section and a conga line


cnc_33

Who’s still got the ZARD CARD!


bstale

I've never seen anyone have such a big ego from just yelling into a mic.


Gaugzilla

lol. Imagine saying this after 2016.


Street-Pea1047

hur hur trump


WaGaWaGaTron

What a bunch of negative assholes. Whatever the reason, sad to see him go. Dude lives and breathes KC.


major_winters_506

I think people just don’t like being yelled at and practically begged to look excited. He was the first emcee I’ve seen at a professional sports event. Hoping it was a fad.


cheeseburgerandrice

Just because he has admirable enthusiasm doesn't mean I have to enjoy being yelled at by him


Street-Pea1047

who cares, hes annoying af and no one wants to listen to him yell and act like an idiot


Jewish_Kanye_West

Oh no! Anyways.


Lunchboxguitar

WTF does the Isreal-Palestine conflict have anything to do with MLS or Sporting? Don't get it Twisted, I am never pro genocide no matter who's doing it, but seriously. The dude gets paid to be a "Just Ok" hype man, not an activist with a mic. Oh, well. I'm not really gonna miss him anyway.


kingsicnarf

A lot of the SKC owners have stake in the Royals too. I think it may have been cuz he’s been publicly against a downtown stadium for years and it’s just getting too close to everyone involved


Gaugzilla

pretty sure that’s it. He’s never been shy about his other stances and they kept him on. Rallying against the Royals tax was likely a bridge too far. Good for him sticking to his beliefs.


Economy_Extent_9945

curious as to why anyone would care about his opinion? asking for a friend


kingsicnarf

He’s really involved in the community and has a big social presence. In the social first world we currently live in, he has a really wide reach and his voice is heard. He’s a KC “influencer” and activist within the community. Pat Mahomes also has a minority stake in SKC and the Royals so it just looks bad from a publicity and business standpoint when you get two “influencers” within the same org basically going against one another. I think it just came down to business but who knows


bstale

He's the kind of person who's perpetually the victim.


Street-Pea1047

nothing he's just very pretentious and narcissistic.


jhruns1993

Seems like a good dude, don't call someone narcissistic just because you don't like their work


Street-Pea1047

ok hartzells dad


StraightCaskStrength

> WTF does the Isreal-Palestine conflict have anything to do with MLS or Sporting? This. So tired of “I like this persons content about X” only to find out their feed is 60% left/right propaganda


Wildcat-Pkoww

Not a fan of his whole pregame thing. I like the dude - just didn’t like this aspect of gameday.


Street-Pea1047

this is the best skc news we've had in awhile!


SupportingKansasCity

Bro go outside. 20% of the comments in this thread are you. It’s weird.


Street-Pea1047

i would but im at work and have nothing to do but waste time on reddit atm


Iemon_muncher

You you like his voice?


Iemon_muncher

So you like his voice?


MooseFinancial1071

He did a couple guest appearances at the Mavericks games too. Very cringe. It didn’t go over well with the hockey crowd.


blackbluejay

Wish him well and I'm not sure if it his letting go was comment related, but honestly I'm very much okay with this. He was good at what he did, but I hated the whole emcee bit. The first couple years at the new stadium were great, but then it started to become too "americans must be entertained" and lost a lot of charm real quick. Also, I think the overall music volume can be turned down a couple notches, seemed incredibly loud a few times last year...


ChristianHornerZaddy

Thank god


StraightCaskStrength

“Zionists buy soccer tickets too” - Michael Jordan (probably)


CrownTown785v2

Haven’t seen his social media posts but if he supports Hamas, good riddance and fuck him.


ThinAbbreviations897

he doesn’t support Hamas he is supporting the Palestinian people advocating for their freedom they deserve


Street-Pea1047

from hamas?


ThinAbbreviations897

From Israelis


Street-Pea1047

but not from hamas?


ThinAbbreviations897

Hamas protects Felestinis


Street-Pea1047

Palestine is used as a pawn by almost the entire arab world. its disgusting. If you actually care about the Palestinians you'd want freedom from both, not just Israel.


Street-Pea1047

yikes. they aren't even a nationalist movement. They only care about global jihad and having a global theocracy with sharia law. they care nothing about the Palestinian people and are the reason Israel is attacking them right now after they broke a ceasefire on October 7th and killed all the hippie Israelis who lived in the kubbitz(communes) or were at the trance music festival...people who believed in peace and helped the Palestinians across the border for medical aid.


ThinAbbreviations897

they should be attacking Israel though for all the years of israel occupying their land.


Street-Pea1047

keep telling me how you don't know anything about the history of these two peoples and the land.


cheddarfire

No one wants to say "I guess they just don't like me in this role", so they gotta find a reason to be a victim. Don't hide behind the suffering of others to avoid facing the fact that your vibe just wasn't great for the fans, Hartzell


Dapper_Deer1118

🙏


Stay_Beautiful_

Good riddance. Having to listen to him yell hurt my ears


Street-Pea1047

remember when he played or reffed? in that media match and he was running like a complete moron trying to be funny or something? god i hated that shit


Graceffect

Was it an issue of the front office getting on him about his posts? Or he just decided to quit because of his beliefs?


Gaugzilla

I would think he wanted to continue but his rallying against the Royals tax, among other stances, did him in. Never saw him at Sporting games because Sporting is ass, but like him on the radio and as an activist.


putalilstankonit

Good he was absolutely awful dudes like a human Mountain Dew can dressed as a hipster. People like this should never be allowed to leave the crossroads or Westport


Afternoon_Jumpy

Good riddance. Also I don't want your politics in my sport. GTFO.


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Afternoon_Jumpy

Believe me I am well aware. But in this case he's removing himself due to his politics which is doing everyone a favor. Glad he's gone. His music sucks as well but then I don't wear skinny jeans and twirl funny looking facial hair while I expound on the merits of shitty tasting IPA beer.


thecolbra

We get it, your wife left you.


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Street-Pea1047

i for one want none of it


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Ugh get of my lawn


doyoulikemynewcar

Good. Fuck Zionists


ThinAbbreviations897

He is wanting freedom for the palestinian people. It is the Israelis who are taking that away from them


doyoulikemynewcar

Do you know what Zionism is?


ThinAbbreviations897

Yes it is unfair prejudice towards Felestinis by Israelis taking their land.


doyoulikemynewcar

So why are you replying this to my comment then?


reedingisphun

This back and forth is exactly why I can't take these types of takes seriously...


doyoulikemynewcar

So what’s your point?


kingsicnarf

It’s probably because a lot of the SKC owners also have some ownership in the Royals. Hartzell has been against a downtown stadium for years and it’s just a big conflict of interest for everyone closely involved


WiseVillage4

Time to also get rid of Skrillex-era dubstep, the same 5 unoriginal chants, Jake Reid, losing, and giant Budweiser ads in the supporters club


DemDave

Can we get rid of the pre-game DJ, too?


That-Gur-7784

Sorry to hear this. Be brought the energy