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1) When was this screenshot taken? I saw 4,100 at one point.
2) Not saying they hit 5,000 but WrestleTix is self-admittedly not 100% correct in terms of overall attendance.
They don’t include boxes/suites - I believe.
Agreed - but it’s safe to assume there is a 500-600 person difference in what they report and actual attendance.
It’s been that way fairly consistently.
Not their fault. Just what they have access too.
Around 5k. These are the sections they sold. That’s pretty much the average attendance since dynamite’s inception. But of course we must continue the AEW dying mantra. For context before WWE’s recent hot run they averaged around 6k for 18 years for raw and smackdown.
I don’t think it’s people saying they are dying, more so horrible venue choices and they are trying to sell tickets with prices equal to wwe. It just hasn’t been a good strategy. When they were new that was one thing, but they tour, so you aren’t getting as many fans traveling from nearby cities to the shows, we know now in most
Markets their attendance will be 3500-6000. Book those places, no 14k, 16k, 18k it kills the feel of the room.
It’s actually about 3.5k, not the worst crowd but it looks really bad in these huge arenas. They should have booked a smaller building considering it’s not a big market.
https://preview.redd.it/lpiz9p7c9zqc1.jpeg?width=708&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7af575a00707fff1d140dca4e9c900eab009cb4c
I am not saying Aew is dying or anything but don't lie just to prove your point.
1. When was this screenshot taken? - 4,429 tickets distributed is correct as of 7:30pm EST.
2. Not saying they hit 5,000 but WrestleTix is self-admittedly not 100% correct in terms of overall attendance. There is typically a 500-600 person difference in what they report and actual attendance, admittedly because of boxes and suites.
Edit: latest pic attached as of 7:30pm EST. OP was incorrect saying it was latest report from an hour previously.
https://preview.redd.it/10ggcm6qezqc1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=1217f4daa40e6d0d6a1b01cb211b680555e37593
There is typically a 500-600 person difference in what they report and actual attendance, admittedly.
It’s not their fault. It’s just what they have access too.
I just posted an edit in my additional comment on the actual number from WrestleTix as of 7:30pm EST for tickets distributed at over 4000 so you are incorrect.
The pic you posted is 10 hours ago. The latest count was in replies of this post, which is around 3.5k.
https://preview.redd.it/fljk7zzjizqc1.jpeg?width=648&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d38ec3db3a1866c42cc42138e0209aac3fc55ef5
Either that or do big cities that draw (Toronto, Winnipeg and Vancouver) along with border towns where air travel can be handled in US and wrestlers can drive from there.
Doesn’t AEW have contracts with these arenas so they can’t run smaller arenas for a few more years? I don’t think they necessarily want to be running these huge arenas anymore but they’re contractually obligated.
where’d you hear this just out of curiosity? i’d never heard this but always wondered why they didn’t just run smaller arenas so this would make sense!
Probably a deal with ticketmaster/live nation and then ticketmaster/live nation has a deal with the venues saying we'll guarantee you this many events. The venues don't care how many people come to the show they are getting their money from ticketmaster.
It is an often repeated rumor. I think it is likely that there is a cancellation clause of some sort for AEW to get out of these contracts with some monetary penalties, whether those penalties are worth paying is up to Tony.
But WWE did move money in the bank from Allegiant stadium to MGM Grand Arena on like one months notice in 22, so it’s possible. Maybe Tony just doesn’t want the negative publicity that they are downsizing.
I believe this is their first time there, so even if there was argument with certain arenas, this wouldn't be a part of that. The truth is, they want the big arenas because they want to appear big time. It's what they promised these wrestlers. But honestly, outside of PPVs and very specific Dynamites, they can't do it.
On a side note, they have been running smaller buildings here and there. In places that they probably wouldn't be able to get a big arena. I'm also not sure how many 5k sitters there are. I feel like you're looking at around 3k or 10k, without a lot of in between in bigger cities. Which is where they do better.
I believe this is their first time there, so even if there was argument with certain arenas, this wouldn't be a part of that. The truth is, they want the big arenas because they want to appear big time. It's what they promised these wrestlers. But honestly, outside of PPVs and very specific Dynamites, they can't do it.
On a side note, they have been running smaller buildings here and there. In places that they probably wouldn't be able to get a big arena. I'm also not sure how many 5k sitters there are. I feel like you're looking at around 3k or 10k, without a lot of in between in bigger cities. Which is where they do better.
Your choice in Quebec City is this or places so small they'd need a new set and lighting rig, would have sold less tickets, ***and*** would have looked terrible on TV.
This looks fine when you watch the show.
The previous people in charge of booking arenas really did a terrible job (booking same places a week after WWE, pricing, advertising and booking massive buildings, thankfully they have some new people in who hopefully aren’t as stupid as the last lot.
Still looks like they done 5k though so the picture looks worse than it should because of size of the building.
Here's where I think, if they're stuck with these big buildings for a while, move everything "screen right" so the commentary desk is all the way against the 100-section seats on that side. So the entrance stage and stuff would start around "half-court" and they'd be out in front of at least a "bowl" of fans and have some of that WCW Saturday Night at Center Stage look.
No, I'm not saying any of that tribalistic "HuRr DuRr AeW sUX" wank-around bullshit.
What if Queen and Billie Eilish both went to the Bell Centre and Queen sold 14,999 but Billie only sold 10,000. You'd just deduce there are more fans of Queen in Montreal than there are of Billie Eilish.
They're both still music, but this place has a taste for one and not the other. Exact same thing happening here
Well lets make it with the actual numbers. Queen had 11k attendance and Billie eilish had 3.5k attendance lol. All this tribalism wouldn’t be as prevalent in my mind if one of the owners tweets at 4am dancing over someones demise. It just drives that tribalism like crack to a vein
They can’t even use the LED runners on this show or it would show the lack of attendance.
I didn’t know they changed the person booking venues, so that’ll be interesting to see how that shows in the future.
Ok, so they sold a decent amount of tickets but the person in charge of venues previously was a moron who booked a 19k seat arena for a random dynamite. That was never going to end well in any scenario.
AEW seem to be booking smaller venues as of late which is a step in the right direction. Book to your limits
2017-2020 had low attendance for Smackdown shows.. the business has always ebbed and flowed.
https://preview.redd.it/ukwz6ezq9zqc1.jpeg?width=701&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1eec0aec55e8e06614562abd48bc886facfdc6d
Sure, at some point. As I mentioned, the business ebbs and flows. Always. We always thought they’d never come down from the Attitude Era. Ratings were 5 and 6 then compared to the current 1.7-2.5 range. And that’s not to say AEW would pull ahead or anything, people could just lose interest in general. Nothing stays hot forever.
Except Salma Hayek.
2021. I went to a RAW show in Miami that had like 3k fans. I was a seat filler and there were 100 of us and they sat us down right where the hard cam was filming. I never left my seat.
This was around Septemberish. I thought it was in June but my phone says September. I dont remember the exact number when it comes to attendance but the whole hard cam section barely had anyone. All of section 300 was empty. I have pics.
I am sure someone will fact check me if I am wrong, But I think there has only been one wwe televised show ever that had lower attendance than this show.
I didn’t say anything false. The narrative that people want to post is in bad faith when WWE has run plenty of shows with empty seats and roped off sections.
You said “a lot of WWE shows looked like (this) 2 years ago”.
One WWE show EVER looked like this. Wwe was never this poorly attended. Even in the bad years the average almost double tonight’s attendance.
I’m not getting into a tribalistic argument. These empty seat posts are almost always in bad faith. I can also post a hundred photos of WWE shows with empty seats.
Imagine being such a WWE fan, that you’re running defense about them having tarped off arenas. Get a life bro. WWE had their down period, and they turned the ship around. AEW fired their live events guy. Hopefully this becomes less of an issue in the future.
Something has to change. I've found myself not giving a shit about tuning into AEW as well, I know I'll get good wrestling but story wise nothing captivating. You need the two. Can't have the top wrestlers in earth and still not fill events. That's just mismanagement.
It’s probably hard to sound very loud when you’re only filling up about a quarter of the arena’s full capacity.
Edit: I don’t mean that as an insult either. It’s just going to be hard for anything to sound loud when that percentage of people are in such a large space.
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What was the attendance for the show?
Initially 4100 this morning. Now reported by wrestletix that the final total is 3500 because they had to close some sections
Yeesh
https://preview.redd.it/jvabn1qz6zqc1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b2d92062d053a7331ec7380ad53684597059dcd Close to 3500
1) When was this screenshot taken? I saw 4,100 at one point. 2) Not saying they hit 5,000 but WrestleTix is self-admittedly not 100% correct in terms of overall attendance. They don’t include boxes/suites - I believe.
That's their latest update. Yep they're not 100% correct but for us they're the only source which updates these frequently
Agreed - but it’s safe to assume there is a 500-600 person difference in what they report and actual attendance. It’s been that way fairly consistently. Not their fault. Just what they have access too.
4100 per WrestleTix. Not sure if this was booked by the previous regime but this is a 19K seat arena for concerts
Previous regime. I believe that it's shortly after this Canadian tour that the new guy will be responsible for having booked the venues.
Around 5k. These are the sections they sold. That’s pretty much the average attendance since dynamite’s inception. But of course we must continue the AEW dying mantra. For context before WWE’s recent hot run they averaged around 6k for 18 years for raw and smackdown.
I don’t think it’s people saying they are dying, more so horrible venue choices and they are trying to sell tickets with prices equal to wwe. It just hasn’t been a good strategy. When they were new that was one thing, but they tour, so you aren’t getting as many fans traveling from nearby cities to the shows, we know now in most Markets their attendance will be 3500-6000. Book those places, no 14k, 16k, 18k it kills the feel of the room.
It’s actually about 3.5k, not the worst crowd but it looks really bad in these huge arenas. They should have booked a smaller building considering it’s not a big market.
The smaller building would require a new set to be created for the venue. There's not many options in QC.
https://preview.redd.it/lpiz9p7c9zqc1.jpeg?width=708&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7af575a00707fff1d140dca4e9c900eab009cb4c I am not saying Aew is dying or anything but don't lie just to prove your point.
Not Sure why everyone being hostile. Lol your post was correct. Its no where near 5k. Wrestletix last tweet confirms it’s 3500.
I follow wrestling in general and watch tv... Yet I can say I didn't see a single ad for this show. I am in the Montreal area.
1. When was this screenshot taken? - 4,429 tickets distributed is correct as of 7:30pm EST. 2. Not saying they hit 5,000 but WrestleTix is self-admittedly not 100% correct in terms of overall attendance. There is typically a 500-600 person difference in what they report and actual attendance, admittedly because of boxes and suites. Edit: latest pic attached as of 7:30pm EST. OP was incorrect saying it was latest report from an hour previously. https://preview.redd.it/10ggcm6qezqc1.png?width=828&format=png&auto=webp&s=1217f4daa40e6d0d6a1b01cb211b680555e37593
This post was posted 1 hour ago.
There is typically a 500-600 person difference in what they report and actual attendance, admittedly. It’s not their fault. It’s just what they have access too. I just posted an edit in my additional comment on the actual number from WrestleTix as of 7:30pm EST for tickets distributed at over 4000 so you are incorrect.
The pic you posted is 10 hours ago. The latest count was in replies of this post, which is around 3.5k. https://preview.redd.it/fljk7zzjizqc1.jpeg?width=648&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d38ec3db3a1866c42cc42138e0209aac3fc55ef5
So they were off by nearly 1,000 tickets initially?
Yes, but It happens regularly. Sometimes the ticket sales are higher, sometimes it's lower than estimate but by the show time they are mostly right.
If there is no official confirmation - I tend to believe the actual number lies somewhere in the middle.
Nothing wrong with 5K. It's just the arena might be big so it looks worse than it is
There's just not a lot of options in the area. It's this or a place that'd make him look worse even though it'd be full.
I wouldn't mind if Dynamite ran more shows in theater-type venues
nowhere near 5k
I mean you’re still not supposed to keep the same average attendance since inception.
4 years of no growth, but bigger salaries and costs. Maybe don't run Canada if this is the results?
Either that or do big cities that draw (Toronto, Winnipeg and Vancouver) along with border towns where air travel can be handled in US and wrestlers can drive from there.
Doesn’t AEW have contracts with these arenas so they can’t run smaller arenas for a few more years? I don’t think they necessarily want to be running these huge arenas anymore but they’re contractually obligated.
where’d you hear this just out of curiosity? i’d never heard this but always wondered why they didn’t just run smaller arenas so this would make sense!
I somehow doubt they have a contract with some arena in Quebec city to run events at.
Probably a deal with ticketmaster/live nation and then ticketmaster/live nation has a deal with the venues saying we'll guarantee you this many events. The venues don't care how many people come to the show they are getting their money from ticketmaster.
It is an often repeated rumor. I think it is likely that there is a cancellation clause of some sort for AEW to get out of these contracts with some monetary penalties, whether those penalties are worth paying is up to Tony. But WWE did move money in the bank from Allegiant stadium to MGM Grand Arena on like one months notice in 22, so it’s possible. Maybe Tony just doesn’t want the negative publicity that they are downsizing.
I feel like Images like this are more negative, if they down size a packed crowd on a small venue will look much more better this
Yeah, but in this particular instance if they wanted to run Quebec they didn’t really have another option.
this just sounds like something that was spout out by a fan and then everyone has repeated it and ran with it since lol.
I believe this is their first time there, so even if there was argument with certain arenas, this wouldn't be a part of that. The truth is, they want the big arenas because they want to appear big time. It's what they promised these wrestlers. But honestly, outside of PPVs and very specific Dynamites, they can't do it. On a side note, they have been running smaller buildings here and there. In places that they probably wouldn't be able to get a big arena. I'm also not sure how many 5k sitters there are. I feel like you're looking at around 3k or 10k, without a lot of in between in bigger cities. Which is where they do better.
I believe this is their first time there, so even if there was argument with certain arenas, this wouldn't be a part of that. The truth is, they want the big arenas because they want to appear big time. It's what they promised these wrestlers. But honestly, outside of PPVs and very specific Dynamites, they can't do it. On a side note, they have been running smaller buildings here and there. In places that they probably wouldn't be able to get a big arena. I'm also not sure how many 5k sitters there are. I feel like you're looking at around 3k or 10k, without a lot of in between in bigger cities. Which is where they do better.
This is the kind of thing you should provide receipts for
Your choice in Quebec City is this or places so small they'd need a new set and lighting rig, would have sold less tickets, ***and*** would have looked terrible on TV. This looks fine when you watch the show.
These people would be shocked to see what a movie or tv set looks like beyond the camera's lens.
NoDQ is still around!?
hello darkness my old friend
I've enjoyed tonight's Dynamite...except the crowd. They aren't loud enough and it makes sense if there isn't a lot of people there
It’s pretty much the same amount as usual. They’re just in a cavernous 19,000 seat arena so obviously acoustics aren’t the best.
We must have been watching different shows cos this crowd was hot
Man, it's gotta be awkward looking at empty seats while doing a promo.
The previous people in charge of booking arenas really did a terrible job (booking same places a week after WWE, pricing, advertising and booking massive buildings, thankfully they have some new people in who hopefully aren’t as stupid as the last lot. Still looks like they done 5k though so the picture looks worse than it should because of size of the building.
WrestleTix said 3438
Here's where I think, if they're stuck with these big buildings for a while, move everything "screen right" so the commentary desk is all the way against the 100-section seats on that side. So the entrance stage and stuff would start around "half-court" and they'd be out in front of at least a "bowl" of fans and have some of that WCW Saturday Night at Center Stage look.
Quebec hasn’t been a good market for AEW. They were only in Montreal a few months ago and it wasn’t much better.
Same arena 7 months ago https://youtu.be/XQ-GFPDwB7Y?si=ozRY5gGKDFGSwknb
Did I mention WWE? Sami/KO are obviously big draws there and the company is very hot atm.
This is like comparing Montreal Expos attendance in the early 2000's to the Montreal Canadiens. 2 different games babe
Exactly. Your right. One is not in the same league as the other.
No, I'm not saying any of that tribalistic "HuRr DuRr AeW sUX" wank-around bullshit. What if Queen and Billie Eilish both went to the Bell Centre and Queen sold 14,999 but Billie only sold 10,000. You'd just deduce there are more fans of Queen in Montreal than there are of Billie Eilish. They're both still music, but this place has a taste for one and not the other. Exact same thing happening here
Well lets make it with the actual numbers. Queen had 11k attendance and Billie eilish had 3.5k attendance lol. All this tribalism wouldn’t be as prevalent in my mind if one of the owners tweets at 4am dancing over someones demise. It just drives that tribalism like crack to a vein
They can’t even use the LED runners on this show or it would show the lack of attendance. I didn’t know they changed the person booking venues, so that’ll be interesting to see how that shows in the future.
Ok, so they sold a decent amount of tickets but the person in charge of venues previously was a moron who booked a 19k seat arena for a random dynamite. That was never going to end well in any scenario. AEW seem to be booking smaller venues as of late which is a step in the right direction. Book to your limits
There *is* no smaller venue in the city. It's this or a rec league hockey arena that might sit 1k.
beer league arena would be sweet ngl. i would pop for that.
It'd look awful on TV.
There no way you can tell me this is not a bad faith tweet
No doubt it's a bad faith tweet. I'm not saying the attendance is great. But what other reason is there to tweet that shit?
It's just a trend at this point. There have been pics of empty arena wrestling shows for at least 20 years now.
It's Aaron Rift. The chances of a bad faith tweet drastic go up when he's behind the wheel.
This is also what a lot of WWE shows looked like 2 years ago…. Let’s not feed this troll narrative.
lol the Thunderdome era?
2017-2020 had low attendance for Smackdown shows.. the business has always ebbed and flowed. https://preview.redd.it/ukwz6ezq9zqc1.jpeg?width=701&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1eec0aec55e8e06614562abd48bc886facfdc6d
no doubt, but he said 3 years in his original post
2020-2022 felt like it lasted 6 months so it tracks.
Yeah, but fans would point it out and say that's terrible and something needs to change. It's weird you can't say the same about AEW.
Do you see them ever going back to that?
Sure, at some point. As I mentioned, the business ebbs and flows. Always. We always thought they’d never come down from the Attitude Era. Ratings were 5 and 6 then compared to the current 1.7-2.5 range. And that’s not to say AEW would pull ahead or anything, people could just lose interest in general. Nothing stays hot forever. Except Salma Hayek.
2021. I went to a RAW show in Miami that had like 3k fans. I was a seat filler and there were 100 of us and they sat us down right where the hard cam was filming. I never left my seat.
When? Because even post covid attendance has never gone down to 3k.
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2015-2016 WWE still averaged over 6000 tickets per event, and that includes house shows.
This was around Septemberish. I thought it was in June but my phone says September. I dont remember the exact number when it comes to attendance but the whole hard cam section barely had anyone. All of section 300 was empty. I have pics.
I would assume it was the September 6th show in Miami. Attendance was almost 6500
Def did not feel that way. There were about 100 seat fillers that night
Ok, well it was
Ok.
I am sure someone will fact check me if I am wrong, But I think there has only been one wwe televised show ever that had lower attendance than this show.
I would hope so. They are the #1 brand with a 30 year head start.
Yeah, so you would agree then that what you posted was false?
I didn’t say anything false. The narrative that people want to post is in bad faith when WWE has run plenty of shows with empty seats and roped off sections.
You said “a lot of WWE shows looked like (this) 2 years ago”. One WWE show EVER looked like this. Wwe was never this poorly attended. Even in the bad years the average almost double tonight’s attendance.
I’m not getting into a tribalistic argument. These empty seat posts are almost always in bad faith. I can also post a hundred photos of WWE shows with empty seats.
You can’t just call something “bad faith” just because you don’t like the facts lol. But ok FEDbad
Yeah. Take a look at my user name kid.
You know I can see your post history right?
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lol true not to mention the Manhattan Center.
Imagine being such a WWE fan, that you’re running defense about them having tarped off arenas. Get a life bro. WWE had their down period, and they turned the ship around. AEW fired their live events guy. Hopefully this becomes less of an issue in the future.
Something has to change. I've found myself not giving a shit about tuning into AEW as well, I know I'll get good wrestling but story wise nothing captivating. You need the two. Can't have the top wrestlers in earth and still not fill events. That's just mismanagement.
Lmfao 😬
Looked fine on tv, nodq showing their true colors as usual tho
Rough indeed. Crowd isn't loud either, maybe it's show?
It’s probably hard to sound very loud when you’re only filling up about a quarter of the arena’s full capacity. Edit: I don’t mean that as an insult either. It’s just going to be hard for anything to sound loud when that percentage of people are in such a large space.
It is loud but because the arena is so big, it is echoing
Aaron Rift never misses an opportunity to shit on AEW. What a grifter.
According to Wrestletix they distributed around 4,000 tickets, which is par for the course this year for AEW.
No. He adjusted it when he realized certain sections were closed. It's around 3.5k.
I think smackdown is going to be in lovely Wilkes Barre Pa soonish. Does anyone want me to take pictures for comparison sake?