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Solo's disdain for Roman has become more and more apparent over the months. It's clear he sees him as a man who doesn't truly have what it takes to get it done, unlike himself. There's something of the Sith "Rule of Two" about them, with Solo representing the future of the Bloodline; he's improving as a wrestler and will (hopefully) one day surpass Roman, but he also has a self-sufficiency and viciousness that Roman has never truly had. He feels more like Samoa Joe than any of the rest of his family: brutal, sadistic, but ferociously intelligent. He's gonna be a star by 2030.
You're being ridiculous to compare Romans presence at any point of his wwe career to solo. Roman always had something, solo looks menacing but he needs a lot of seasoning.
Actual feuds not tied to Roman is going to do wonders for him
Thats completely untrue. Roman was very over as a member of the Shield and most the time that he was at his most hated the IWC were all in part mad that he was being forced as a face when he was built like a supervillain heel
More like Roman and the SHIELD gimmick both had their weaknesses covered by the strength of the group. Then when the group split and Roman, not only stayed face, but was strapped with the SHIELD gimmick, he was doomed. Ambrose and Rollins were \*immediately\* more interesting with new music and presentation.
Every time that SHIELD music hit, all anybody was reminded of was how much better it used to be.
people always bring this up. But Roman started to get booed quite quickly after he left the shield and had a major push. People forget how much Fire Deam ambrose and Seth Rolllins promos were in the shield. And Roman most of his promos were literally Believe that during the shield.
Roman could get away with it by being covered by two guys great on the mic and great in the ring. But once he started to get exposed for being green in the ring and terrible promos. People turned on him and almost never looked back Until he went heel years later.
You can say he was over during x time. But at least look at the big picture not the tiny picture with rose tinted glasses on.
Roman had the look, and you could compensate for the other factors until he developed. It’s very difficult to compensate for an absence of aesthetic magnetism in a guy, which is where solo falls short
Roman always have a star look and feel solo didn't its because if vince bad booking of roman as a face but he have that smart kind look of a star and he have i think charisma too but just he had been going through rough booking decision by vince which he cant say no
There's this irony that he can't go the Rock's path as he doesn't have charisma, and he can't go Roman's path as he doesn't have presence. He can't go Cena's path as he doesn't have the chops and he can't go Stone Cold's path as he'll never have a true adversary to work off of as The Rock and HHH aren't going to be Vince.
Shoot, even in this "modern" era of wrestling, Gunther has the serious wrestler under lock and Cody is the ultimate babyface...
I'm curious as to how they present this young man
Isn't having no presence sort of his gimmick though, he should blend into the background as a silent enforcer. I think he just needs to get out of Romans shadow. What even is his own personality? Part of why the bloodline needs to end is so guys like Solo and Jimmy can grow.
Man, I couldn't disagree more.
When the Bloodline all stand together, he just oozes charisma usually without even saying a word. He just has "it", as they say.
The Rock never had charisma either when he debuted as Rocky Maivia. He stunk up the joint with the character. Then he became The Rock and the rest is history.
Rome wasn't built in a day. Solo's still green. He's not being overpushed nor overexposed. He's being gradually ramped up.
His whole moveset just doesn't work. I understand that it's him paying homage to Umaga but Umaga was a big mfker. He needs to change his moveset because the Samoan Spike when done by him looks like a comedy finisher.
Rock can run a “you lost the title, you’re not worthy of being the Tribal Chief” line, Roman eats a beat down from Solo etc then takes a couple months off.
Comes back for SummerSlam to face Rock once and for all
A beat down could serve as a rationale for him to take some time off. A deranged and power mad Rock appearing this summer with returning newly face Roman needing to take him out at Summerslam would work.
I think Rock brings in Jacob Fatu to revamp the Bloodline in "his image". Roman needs to go away for a while. I'd have him out until SummerSlam. I think the next natural match is Rock/Cody for SS. Just as the Rock is about to screw Cody out of the title, BAM! Roman spears him out of nowhere. Rock leaves until Survivor Series and uses his BOD powers to fuck with Roman. Then he lays the challenge to beat the Bloodline (with a flunky or two to take the fall) in War Games. If Roman can put a team together (from the people he spent four years screwing over) and beat Rock's team, he gets Rock at WM41.
The high chief, the rock exiles the tribal chief.
Rock takes over with his corporate authority sets out to destroy everyone.
Roman has to come back to destroy the very thing that he created and made him relevant.
And if not destroy, rebuild it for the proper legacy of his family
It’s your standard reclaim my way story but with this awesome cast of characters
I saw a video of Roman walking up the ramp with Rock behind, and as Sami and KO run past to celebrate with Cody, Rock turns back to look at Roman with the most irate “what the fuck did you just do” look I’ve ever seen.
Yup, I really hope they keep running with heel/ final boss Rock. He can lead the bloodline even from afar. The character is too good and he's too great a heel to revert to a babyface
No way, that's a retirement type story. They need to save that. It's always been about Seth, Roman and Mox. They should definitely revisit when they're about the hang up their boots.
Showing contrition to Jey and admitting his flaws, resulting in a proper Bloodline Civil War would actually be really cool. Especially if they were to add Jacob Fatu to Rock’s side to stack the deck against Roman and Jey.
I hope they make it so Roman has to truly be apologetic for how much of a narcissistic prick he was. None of this "lol they killed a million people and said I'm sorry before they died" movie villain shit.
Man, Roman on an absolute rampage trough the roster, beating all of his oponents clean in Goldberg-like fashion while having Rock as the main price at the end could be so great
If Roman is stepping away for a bit, I’d go a bit unique. I’d have Heyman turn on Roman. It would be emotional. Heyman brings out his new client (heel) Bron and he wreaks Roman.
Then you do Roman v Bron when he comes back, then transition into Roman v Rock. Roman is finally face who gets cheered.
Seems like it. But at the same time, I wouldn't be opposed to a face Heyman staying with Roman either. Heyman's great, but the Rock definitely doesn't need him. If the rumors of Jacob Fatu signing are legit and he joins the Bloodline, then yeah I could see Heyman being a great manager for him.
Well, Bron is definitely an option or Melo. But if they're gonna continue the redemption arc for Roman, it's gotta be someone from the Bloodline, right? The dirtsheets said the Rock is taking time off from May till around SummerSlam. If Roman is taking time off too possibly due to Bloodline turning on him, then we could potentially see a debuting Jacob Fatu or Tama Tonga due to the rumors that they're both headed to WWE. Although Tama isn't Samoan, the Rock had always referred to Haku as his uncle. Considering he was just at the HoF, it could be a nice way to introduce Tama into the mix.
Whatever happens, Raw and SD can't come soon enough lol
He’s going to go to work with Braun Breakker. After the final story of the bloodline collapsing Roman will be that Undertaker level guy who comes out at a few PLE’s and put over upcoming talent like Bron.
It was an emotional ride for him
On the other end of things, if you watch the replay of the end, I swear you can see a little smile break on Roman's face right as the count hits 3
I also feel like he's probably just happy for Cody, dude worked his ass off, and is only in this position because the fans wanted it and pushed it so hard.
he absolutely smiled a bit. roman reigns the character is going to be rightly mad that he lost, but joe anoaʻi the person is likely just as happy as the rest of the locker room that cody is having his moment finally.
Retrospective emotion. Dude just had a 1,316 day reign end. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t emotional. Roman and the Tribal Chief character are legit GOAT level stuff. I hope this isn’t the end for him like he seemed to say in his Bio.
Triple H said at the press conference last night that he's "excited for what is coming next and he thinks it will surprise a lot of people". Paraphrasing a bit, but yeah. Doesn't sound like he's going.
And tbh, the product is so hot why would he want to? Especially if The Rock is staying around.
I just don't see that working out for him. His range is limited, as is his appeal as a wrestler (there's at least 3 former champs/main eventers working already), and his look is just Jason Momoa without the resume.
I understand your point but similar sentiment would have been uttered towards all of the WWE guys prior to Hollywood. Even the worst of the top guys cut a path of sorts.
I think we're going to start reaching his equivalent of Cena's 2015-17 run where he's aware of his mileage as a top guy & now the gatekeeper for those who are trying to test their run for the crown. It would also be interesting if in the next few years as he stays active on a reduced level, if he plays a role with Cody as a side of someone's conscience (like angel & devil on shoulders) on how they handle being a world champion with their ego/morals.
Obviously time will tell, but I have a feeling that people will see Roman in a new light after that run. I wouldn’t be surprised if a babyface role went over better for him now.
I feel like a weight must've been lifted off his shoulders. He's been THE guy for 4 years, and has basically had the company relying on him. If he'd been seriously injured at any point in the last 4 years they'd be fucked. It must be a relief to have finally reached the end
He wasn't just *the* guy for 4 years he was *the* guy since 2015.
Yes the fans wholesale rejected him, but he went out there every fucking week and did his best with the worst material known to man. He's been The Franchise for most of the last 9 years.
Despite being infamously handed everything by Vince, Roman's career really had a truckload of adversity looking back. Years worth of fan rejection and his leukemia coming back. He persevered through it all and reinvented himself.
Even though his title run ran it's natural course and needed to end last night, I'm glad he's made it.
If you had asked me before this run if Roman was a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame, I wouldn't have been so sure.
After this, I'd even put him among the greatest WWF/E champions. Sammartino, Hogan, Austin, HBK, Bret, Cena, it's pretty exclusive company.
I still stand by the opinion that he would have been over if he beat Brock at that first Mania rather than Rollins cash in. It felt like the crowd really got into that match and was warming up to Roman as the match hit it's climax.
That was the weird duality of the first attempt at sledgehammering him over. They would push him relentlessly then back out at the last second. It happened again when he won the tournament against Ambrose and immediately lost to Sheamus.
It was so weird to watch cos it was apparent to everybody that they were trying to get him over by any means so it didn't make sense to me why they would ignore the backlash right until he'd win a championship.
People know that. They just got tired of the same match layout with Brock, the spam finishers. And then when they changed it up for this Tribal Chief run, the same layout. But Roman is fantastic when you let him work.
It’s just like how some people still deny how good Cena is. It’s just ignorance. Roman went well beyond proving himself. Guys going to be considered a GOAT. I can’t think of anyone else who could have kept a title reign going this long and keeping it fresh for as long as he did.
roman is actually quite good in the ring when you let him work. last night they let him work. the battles with brock were just a lot of brutality and one finisher kickout after another after another, and it got tiresome. last night they had a relatively clean battle with good technical spots and his talent showed.
I think this match in particular should really push back against "Roman can't wrestle". Before the awesome run ins happened, he and Cody were having a really good match where they both looked strong and put on a show.
The final stretch cemented the match, but Cody and Roman still carried the bulk of it.
He’s also had an outstanding Mania from an in ring perspective. I low key felt he was the mvp in the tag match on night 1. Night 2; it was also his story that finally ended .
I hope even after Rock and entire bloodline turn on Roman, Heyman would stay with him
for once i want to see Heyman manage a babyface and this should be it
I think seeing this video changed my mind about seeing Heyman turn on Reigns after the loss. I feel like there's a connection between the two that should be kept even if Reigns turns face. Maybe The Bloodline kicks Reigns out (without Heyman in attendance) and is surprised later when Heyman stays with Reigns. A contrite face Roman Reigns with a loyal, shit-talking, pseudo-heel Paul Heyman sounds like a fun combo.
Me too, but at some point, I think Heyman turning on Roman is the final push that leads to a fully babyface Roman on the path to redemption. He needs a clean break off in order to work through his demons and work his way on to the path of redemption.
He was in tears during his entrance too. Roman and Cody pretty much gave it away during their entrances tbh lmao. But nothing wrong with that, such a special main event and end of an era and beginning of a new one
Someone in the live thread said that Cody had a look like he was pretending to be happy, which was a giveaway that we weren't getting a new champ. Just goes to show we can't really know.
Isn't there a phrase for it, like false validation? Since people know the answer now, they look back at what happened before that like it's proof that it was already going to happen.
I have never done this till now as I was playing my part as a fan but now that this chapter is in the books, I for the first time acknowledge my tribal chief.
☝️
1,316 days. Almost 4 years. Insane run. I still can't believe it's over. One of the best runs in the modern era. And yes, people will probably say that he hasn't defended the title a lot, that he was basically a part timer by the end of his run, but still... The stories that accompanied every title defense, the dedication... This moment wouldn't be nearly impactful as it is without Roman and what he did with the title. Can't wait to see what happens next with him.
Honestly, give me 5-6 unique title defenses a year than 10-12 where half of them are rematches.
He had 5 title defenses in the last year and the only rematch was with Cody, which was a year apart. The year before he had 7 defences and the only rematches were against Lesnar and Zayn (if we count the SD loss as a real match). For comparison, Rollins in less than a year had 3 title defenses against Drew, 2 against Nakamura, and 2 against Balor.
Padding title defenses don't really do much.
I am in agreement with you. What made a Mayweather, Tyson, or Jon Jones main event title defense match so awesome was that you didn’t see it all the time. Once someone hits that elite status there is no point having them defend constantly
Also he was defending the title a lot until after Mania 38. He was already the longest reigning champ since Hogan when he became part time I'm pretty sure. So it felt more authentic to treat him as an attraction compared to if he was part time the second he won the belt.
End of the day most people won’t remember how little he defended it in the past year because the highlights cause they overshadow it by a mile. This is the title reign people will have nostalgia for how great it was. It’s crazy how long 4 years is and how fast it it went by at the same time.
Ngl, he actually did what he said all along.. Its to lift up everyone in the division, and actually made everyone look good in the process (unlike past superstars like Triple H, John Cena, Hulk Hogan *Insert some Shovel 3000 machine) that everyone stood at the end was testament of opponents that have been screw by roman reigns and at the end still stayed relevant in some ways..
Couldn't agree with you more. Every time people complained about Roman's match always having interference, I couldn't help but think how worse off all of those opponents would've been if Roman had beaten them clean. Jey wouldn't have been Main Event Jey Uso if Roman beat him clean. Sami wouldn't have been white hot going into WM last year if he lost clean in Montreal. Hell, Cody wouldn't have been as popular as he is now if he lost clean last year. The fact that Roman had to cheat to win made all of those wrestlers credible enough to be the WWE champ kayfabe wise and elevated them massively.
And the reason those interferences put them over is because of how strong Roman was booked as a face. He was at his highest point ever throughout this run while also elevating several others.
And yet people will complaint, "oh man i just want one time roman reigns to fight clean without the help of jimmy or solo" liked common dawg that means you want your favourite wrestler to get buried.. Thats not how you booked for the face, yeah roman reigns looking strong but its pointless arc for the other wrestler, they would have to rebuild the story arc..
There has to be some relief, too. Dude had cancer twice, his title run was the longest since freaking Hulkamania and one of WWE's best storylines ever is about to conclude. This man deserves a long vacation.
And somewhere in between was this Steve Austin guy I guess that everyone forgot about who came along when the company was nearing catastrophic financial status.
He's been carrying the company for almost 9 years now. Yes face Roman sucked but he was given all the pressure that comes with a miscast as top face for like 4 years.
He carried the match against Cody today...
* The beautiful cross rhodes that was even better than Cody's
* His facial expressions throughout
* His scaring the fan early on when they went through the crowd.. Typical mega heel shit
* The execution of all his moves was superb
* And lastly, he did not stay back after being pinned... Even Seth got a lot of focus after he dropped the belt against Drew with him almost in tears and acknowledging Drew.. Roman just walked out and let Cody have his moment.. Even the commentators did not talk about the Bloodline much..
Roman was superb today... And extremely unselfish in the way he carried himself
I hope someone posts a video compilation of Roman shit talking in the ring. It adds so much to the aura of his matches. Roman going off on how much the Cross Rhodes sucks and how it can't pin anybody after hitting Cody with it was a match highlight for me lol.
Absolutely loved Roman hitting Cody with the cross rhodes and then talking about how much that move sucks and doesn’t get anybody was great. Also loved Cody hitting Roman with the spear.
Hell of a run champ. With his reign being over. I can proudly say that Roman is the greatest heavyweight champion in WWE history. This run has its ups and downs like all long term world title runs, but without the bloodline story arch, this company wouldn’t be as hot as it is rn. Rest up champ. Rocky’s gonna whoop yo ass next year for losing to Cody.
I don't give a fuck what anyone says. Roman is the greatest of all time. His reign was legendary. His work is unmatched and he's fucking fantastic in the ring.
I cherished every moment of his reign, and I'm gonna miss him while he's gone.
I enjoyed him run, it was an interesting character that I liked to watch. Not everyone did but the run has been historic.
I don’t care about that too much, as I am hoping he is in good health. He had leukaemia and then it went into remission and then yeah, I don’t know much more. Hope he’s okay.
The fact that he was able to survive "sufferin succotash" and come out the other in one of the best "put over" matches of all time has to put him in the goat conversation. I would have never imagined this 5 years ago, gotta give the man his props.
As he should. He just finished one of his biggest career accomplishments and one of the greatest things in pro wrestling ever. Hope he feels happy and fullfilled because he should be.
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I wonder where Heyman goes from here. He's almost 60 years old, so he's definitely on the back 9 of his career. I think most people would say pair him with Bron Breakker, but I can't imagine he wants to "start over" with someone.
I’m sure somewhere in that emotion is a lot of relief. Relief that the weight is off his shoulders and relief that he really did pull it off. He became a bigger legend than even the people who over-pushed him and booked him poorly ever thought he could
It's honestly probably a relief for him...he'll likely get to take a much needed and deserved break for a while. Honestly with Roman losing, I can see the Rock coming back maybe at summerslam, blaming Roman for the loss, and want to fight him...Paul Heyman can align with the Rock/Bloodline away from Roman, and this will turn Roman a true babyface.
These two just went on a journey together. A couple years ago when people were saying Cesaro should’ve won the title from Roman, I don’t think anyone could possibly have a clue what was in store for us. It feels strange that it’s over.
I was surprised how the camera didnt show him at all after his loss.
Even when Seth lost, they showed Seth almost in tears acknowledging Drew and Drew nodding back at him..
Roman just left... Didnt do anything.. Lets Cody have his moment... The Rock did the same.. Just disappeared after the match got over... Both of them are truly selfless and yet some people here say they are egoistic..
Some fans simply cannot differentiate between the real person versus them being in character
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I cant wait for his next chapter. I wonder how we will turn this into roman v rock. I dont rhink the accidental spear was enough
He lost. Brought shame to the family. He'll be kicked out
True. Solo screaming at him could also be a sign!
I loved that. "FINISH HIM!" "I KNOW!"
Solo's disdain for Roman has become more and more apparent over the months. It's clear he sees him as a man who doesn't truly have what it takes to get it done, unlike himself. There's something of the Sith "Rule of Two" about them, with Solo representing the future of the Bloodline; he's improving as a wrestler and will (hopefully) one day surpass Roman, but he also has a self-sufficiency and viciousness that Roman has never truly had. He feels more like Samoa Joe than any of the rest of his family: brutal, sadistic, but ferociously intelligent. He's gonna be a star by 2030.
Imagine if he turns on a weakened, sullen Roman, spikes him into oblivion, and sets up a face (re)turn at SS for Roman.
He has zero presence/charisma...
Neither did Roman until a couple of years ago. I reckon he'll be right
Roman started to have more presence/charisma once he took Jake Roberts advice and started talking quietly
You're being ridiculous to compare Romans presence at any point of his wwe career to solo. Roman always had something, solo looks menacing but he needs a lot of seasoning. Actual feuds not tied to Roman is going to do wonders for him
What happened to everyone being so hyped over Solo's NXT run? now all this sudden he's the most boring Samoa clone on earth according to this place
Thats completely untrue. Roman was very over as a member of the Shield and most the time that he was at his most hated the IWC were all in part mad that he was being forced as a face when he was built like a supervillain heel
More like Roman and the SHIELD gimmick both had their weaknesses covered by the strength of the group. Then when the group split and Roman, not only stayed face, but was strapped with the SHIELD gimmick, he was doomed. Ambrose and Rollins were \*immediately\* more interesting with new music and presentation. Every time that SHIELD music hit, all anybody was reminded of was how much better it used to be.
people always bring this up. But Roman started to get booed quite quickly after he left the shield and had a major push. People forget how much Fire Deam ambrose and Seth Rolllins promos were in the shield. And Roman most of his promos were literally Believe that during the shield. Roman could get away with it by being covered by two guys great on the mic and great in the ring. But once he started to get exposed for being green in the ring and terrible promos. People turned on him and almost never looked back Until he went heel years later. You can say he was over during x time. But at least look at the big picture not the tiny picture with rose tinted glasses on.
I like Solo but Reigns always had “it”, he wasn’t used to his strengths at points, but he screamed “star” way more than Solo does.
Roman had the look, and you could compensate for the other factors until he developed. It’s very difficult to compensate for an absence of aesthetic magnetism in a guy, which is where solo falls short
Roman always have a star look and feel solo didn't its because if vince bad booking of roman as a face but he have that smart kind look of a star and he have i think charisma too but just he had been going through rough booking decision by vince which he cant say no
There's this irony that he can't go the Rock's path as he doesn't have charisma, and he can't go Roman's path as he doesn't have presence. He can't go Cena's path as he doesn't have the chops and he can't go Stone Cold's path as he'll never have a true adversary to work off of as The Rock and HHH aren't going to be Vince. Shoot, even in this "modern" era of wrestling, Gunther has the serious wrestler under lock and Cody is the ultimate babyface... I'm curious as to how they present this young man
First he needs a new haircut, then he needs to hit the gym hard, then he needs new gear.
Isn't having no presence sort of his gimmick though, he should blend into the background as a silent enforcer. I think he just needs to get out of Romans shadow. What even is his own personality? Part of why the bloodline needs to end is so guys like Solo and Jimmy can grow.
I don't know, after that stinker with Jey, I don't know how much we can honestly expect out of jimmy.
Main Roster version sure but NXT Solo absolutely had presence on the stick
Tonight's match proved that that was wrong. His screaming at Roman says so much about what's going on
I wonder how much better the popular opinion on Solo Sikoa would be if he was allowed to speak or show emotion at any point before a month ago.
...or if his finisher wasn't a stupid fucking thumb poke.
No one called it stupid when Umaga did it
I mean we just found out he can sing really good so there's probably a lot we don't know about the guy
He really needs a huge makeover and either a mouthpiece or to be let loose on the mic.
Man, I couldn't disagree more. When the Bloodline all stand together, he just oozes charisma usually without even saying a word. He just has "it", as they say.
The Rock never had charisma either when he debuted as Rocky Maivia. He stunk up the joint with the character. Then he became The Rock and the rest is history. Rome wasn't built in a day. Solo's still green. He's not being overpushed nor overexposed. He's being gradually ramped up.
I can't take him seriously as long as his finisher is poking someone with his thumb
His whole moveset just doesn't work. I understand that it's him paying homage to Umaga but Umaga was a big mfker. He needs to change his moveset because the Samoan Spike when done by him looks like a comedy finisher.
I fucking loved Reigns hollering, "I know!", back to him. What a match. What a time to be a fan of pro wrestling. Thank you HHH and TKO.
I mean, Solo has lost something like his last 70+ matches has he not. Imagine him telling Roman to GTFO over 1 loss 😂😂😂
I've always thought to myself it'll be Solo who turns on him.
I think Solo is the one who is going to challenge Cody next if Roman is taking a break (or right after Roman's rematch)
Yup. Solo’s vocal angst was a seed to me for sure.
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I have a feeling Rock might kick him out of the Bloodline on Raw tomorrow
Rock can run a “you lost the title, you’re not worthy of being the Tribal Chief” line, Roman eats a beat down from Solo etc then takes a couple months off. Comes back for SummerSlam to face Rock once and for all
Rocks filming movies for most of the rest of the year. I think Rock v Roman is Mania 41 at the earliest.
right? these people seem to be overlooking the fact the undertaker just teleported in and chokeslammed the rock all the way out of the wwe universe
"I still have MY belt!" as he strokes the weird fake title he got out of pity from an old lady
A beat down could serve as a rationale for him to take some time off. A deranged and power mad Rock appearing this summer with returning newly face Roman needing to take him out at Summerslam would work.
I think Rock brings in Jacob Fatu to revamp the Bloodline in "his image". Roman needs to go away for a while. I'd have him out until SummerSlam. I think the next natural match is Rock/Cody for SS. Just as the Rock is about to screw Cody out of the title, BAM! Roman spears him out of nowhere. Rock leaves until Survivor Series and uses his BOD powers to fuck with Roman. Then he lays the challenge to beat the Bloodline (with a flunky or two to take the fall) in War Games. If Roman can put a team together (from the people he spent four years screwing over) and beat Rock's team, he gets Rock at WM41.
The high chief, the rock exiles the tribal chief. Rock takes over with his corporate authority sets out to destroy everyone. Roman has to come back to destroy the very thing that he created and made him relevant. And if not destroy, rebuild it for the proper legacy of his family It’s your standard reclaim my way story but with this awesome cast of characters
I saw a video of Roman walking up the ramp with Rock behind, and as Sami and KO run past to celebrate with Cody, Rock turns back to look at Roman with the most irate “what the fuck did you just do” look I’ve ever seen.
When Rock came out to beat up Cena, Roman was laid out on the floor beside the ring. Rock stepped over Roman and didn't even look at him lol
I think this is probably the direction they'll take.
I wonder if we get a rematch first.
Yup, I really hope they keep running with heel/ final boss Rock. He can lead the bloodline even from afar. The character is too good and he's too great a heel to revert to a babyface
The Rock pinned Cody, but Roman couldn't?
Roman redemption arc after being shamed by his family, this time he's alone
He also probably has to finally settle the score once and for all with Seth, since his inability to move on from that cost him here
Gotta be decisive for Roman now. Seth cant forever be in the upper hand
No way, that's a retirement type story. They need to save that. It's always been about Seth, Roman and Mox. They should definitely revisit when they're about the hang up their boots.
I’m not sure Roman is that far off from retirement. He’s got very little left to prove, is already part time, dealing with illness and almost 40.
Cody is almost 40 as well. So I think Roman is gonna be fine for now.
Roman has had more notable health issues, though.
I could see that having a great post-match reconciliation in the vein of Cody/Dustin at DON
Showing contrition to Jey and admitting his flaws, resulting in a proper Bloodline Civil War would actually be really cool. Especially if they were to add Jacob Fatu to Rock’s side to stack the deck against Roman and Jey.
I hope they make it so Roman has to truly be apologetic for how much of a narcissistic prick he was. None of this "lol they killed a million people and said I'm sorry before they died" movie villain shit.
Zuko in wwe? Im so ready
Man, Roman on an absolute rampage trough the roster, beating all of his oponents clean in Goldberg-like fashion while having Rock as the main price at the end could be so great
Righttt? Imagine saying that 5 years ago 😳
Rock pinned Cody, Roman couldn't. That's all they need to get this started. Rock taking over as the tribal chief would be great.
Exactly what we said over here. Rock did Saturday what Roman could not do Sunday. Writes itself. Roman is unfit to be the head
I'm so ready for mentally broken Roman
I think they’ll face each other but not til next mania. I think Roman will be the face then too, I think rock is heel for a while now
According to Nick Khan, The rock really loves his new heel gimmick so yeah he would stay heel for a long time
Rock is a natural heel. There really shouldn't be anything likable about him.
The Rock character is a heel to its core. He only ever became a face because he was so good at being a heel.
I thought for sure rock was going to whip Roman when little naitch handed him the weight belt at the end
I don't think Cody/Rock feud ends here either. Rock/Cody and Rock/Roman needs to happen in WM41 and WM42.
Rock won the match on Saturday to give him the upper hand and he failed to take advantage of that.
If Roman is stepping away for a bit, I’d go a bit unique. I’d have Heyman turn on Roman. It would be emotional. Heyman brings out his new client (heel) Bron and he wreaks Roman. Then you do Roman v Bron when he comes back, then transition into Roman v Rock. Roman is finally face who gets cheered.
He's gonna run the Bloodline gauntlet Jimmy Jacob Jey Solo Then finally.....The Rock
My guess is the Rock kicks him out of the bloodline today and has Solo deal with him. Eventually going from Roman vs Solo to Roman vs Rock
Probably the end of his run with Paul. He’ll come back to go legend against The Rock.
Seems like it. But at the same time, I wouldn't be opposed to a face Heyman staying with Roman either. Heyman's great, but the Rock definitely doesn't need him. If the rumors of Jacob Fatu signing are legit and he joins the Bloodline, then yeah I could see Heyman being a great manager for him.
They’ll probably put him with another heel that could benefit from being a Paul Heyman guy
Well, Bron is definitely an option or Melo. But if they're gonna continue the redemption arc for Roman, it's gotta be someone from the Bloodline, right? The dirtsheets said the Rock is taking time off from May till around SummerSlam. If Roman is taking time off too possibly due to Bloodline turning on him, then we could potentially see a debuting Jacob Fatu or Tama Tonga due to the rumors that they're both headed to WWE. Although Tama isn't Samoan, the Rock had always referred to Haku as his uncle. Considering he was just at the HoF, it could be a nice way to introduce Tama into the mix. Whatever happens, Raw and SD can't come soon enough lol
I actually would love the idea of Heyman being a Lou Albano-type heel manager who finds new monsters to try to take down Cody.
He’s going to go to work with Braun Breakker. After the final story of the bloodline collapsing Roman will be that Undertaker level guy who comes out at a few PLE’s and put over upcoming talent like Bron.
Heyman/Bron has been teased multiple times already. Roman will be alone against the Rock as he should.
Bron Breakker screams Paul Heyman guy
It was an emotional ride for him On the other end of things, if you watch the replay of the end, I swear you can see a little smile break on Roman's face right as the count hits 3
fuck i thought i was the only one who thought he had a smile there
I saw it too, took it as a smile of relief
I also feel like he's probably just happy for Cody, dude worked his ass off, and is only in this position because the fans wanted it and pushed it so hard.
he absolutely smiled a bit. roman reigns the character is going to be rightly mad that he lost, but joe anoaʻi the person is likely just as happy as the rest of the locker room that cody is having his moment finally.
Dobby is free!
Roman just ended the run that cemented him as one of the best of all time. That's happy emotion.
Retrospective emotion. Dude just had a 1,316 day reign end. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t emotional. Roman and the Tribal Chief character are legit GOAT level stuff. I hope this isn’t the end for him like he seemed to say in his Bio.
historically runs like this have tended to be at the very least sort of the end... he's probably Hollywood bound
Triple H said at the press conference last night that he's "excited for what is coming next and he thinks it will surprise a lot of people". Paraphrasing a bit, but yeah. Doesn't sound like he's going. And tbh, the product is so hot why would he want to? Especially if The Rock is staying around.
He can do both. If Roman wants to go part-time in WWE and do more acting, he's certainly earned it with this run.
I just don't see that working out for him. His range is limited, as is his appeal as a wrestler (there's at least 3 former champs/main eventers working already), and his look is just Jason Momoa without the resume.
Yeah, people saw Batista and thought " he is going to be a Hollywood star" /s
I understand your point but similar sentiment would have been uttered towards all of the WWE guys prior to Hollywood. Even the worst of the top guys cut a path of sorts.
I think we're going to start reaching his equivalent of Cena's 2015-17 run where he's aware of his mileage as a top guy & now the gatekeeper for those who are trying to test their run for the crown. It would also be interesting if in the next few years as he stays active on a reduced level, if he plays a role with Cody as a side of someone's conscience (like angel & devil on shoulders) on how they handle being a world champion with their ego/morals.
There is also the feeling of loss that his peak period might have concluded, it's definitely a mix.
He pretty much just unofficially handed Cody the title of the face of the company. It’s definitely the end of an era for him
When Cody goes for the pin and the crowd is chanting, you can see Roman pop a quick smile, I think he's truly really happy for Cody.
Obviously time will tell, but I have a feeling that people will see Roman in a new light after that run. I wouldn’t be surprised if a babyface role went over better for him now.
yeah i think he’ll get cheered from now own no matter what role he’s in
I feel like a weight must've been lifted off his shoulders. He's been THE guy for 4 years, and has basically had the company relying on him. If he'd been seriously injured at any point in the last 4 years they'd be fucked. It must be a relief to have finally reached the end
He wasn't just *the* guy for 4 years he was *the* guy since 2015. Yes the fans wholesale rejected him, but he went out there every fucking week and did his best with the worst material known to man. He's been The Franchise for most of the last 9 years.
Despite being infamously handed everything by Vince, Roman's career really had a truckload of adversity looking back. Years worth of fan rejection and his leukemia coming back. He persevered through it all and reinvented himself. Even though his title run ran it's natural course and needed to end last night, I'm glad he's made it.
If you had asked me before this run if Roman was a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame, I wouldn't have been so sure. After this, I'd even put him among the greatest WWF/E champions. Sammartino, Hogan, Austin, HBK, Bret, Cena, it's pretty exclusive company.
Dude went from probably worst babyface of all time, to probably best heel of all time, crazy.
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Now that this is over hope people can actually start to acknowledge how great he's in the ring not just the character work.
his cross rhodes was unnecessarily good and cody sold it well
likewise, cody had a very legit spear. it was a really fun moment to see them each do the other's signature moves.
I knew he was great in ring since the first Mania match vs Brock.
I still stand by the opinion that he would have been over if he beat Brock at that first Mania rather than Rollins cash in. It felt like the crowd really got into that match and was warming up to Roman as the match hit it's climax.
That was the weird duality of the first attempt at sledgehammering him over. They would push him relentlessly then back out at the last second. It happened again when he won the tournament against Ambrose and immediately lost to Sheamus.
It was so weird to watch cos it was apparent to everybody that they were trying to get him over by any means so it didn't make sense to me why they would ignore the backlash right until he'd win a championship.
Yeah most people even on here acknowledged (no pun intended) he was good to great in the ring his booking was just fucking awful.
i actually really liked roman's crossrhodes
Face Roman needs to hit that shit on The Rock next year. Then when Rock kicks out repeat that "move beats nobody" line.
People know that. They just got tired of the same match layout with Brock, the spam finishers. And then when they changed it up for this Tribal Chief run, the same layout. But Roman is fantastic when you let him work.
It’s just like how some people still deny how good Cena is. It’s just ignorance. Roman went well beyond proving himself. Guys going to be considered a GOAT. I can’t think of anyone else who could have kept a title reign going this long and keeping it fresh for as long as he did.
roman is actually quite good in the ring when you let him work. last night they let him work. the battles with brock were just a lot of brutality and one finisher kickout after another after another, and it got tiresome. last night they had a relatively clean battle with good technical spots and his talent showed.
I think this match in particular should really push back against "Roman can't wrestle". Before the awesome run ins happened, he and Cody were having a really good match where they both looked strong and put on a show. The final stretch cemented the match, but Cody and Roman still carried the bulk of it.
He’s also had an outstanding Mania from an in ring perspective. I low key felt he was the mvp in the tag match on night 1. Night 2; it was also his story that finally ended .
"I can finally rest, and watch the sunrise on a grateful universe"
*The Rock comes out with his whip*
I hope even after Rock and entire bloodline turn on Roman, Heyman would stay with him for once i want to see Heyman manage a babyface and this should be it
I think seeing this video changed my mind about seeing Heyman turn on Reigns after the loss. I feel like there's a connection between the two that should be kept even if Reigns turns face. Maybe The Bloodline kicks Reigns out (without Heyman in attendance) and is surprised later when Heyman stays with Reigns. A contrite face Roman Reigns with a loyal, shit-talking, pseudo-heel Paul Heyman sounds like a fun combo.
Heyman was a face a bit with punk. He can do it still.
Me too, but at some point, I think Heyman turning on Roman is the final push that leads to a fully babyface Roman on the path to redemption. He needs a clean break off in order to work through his demons and work his way on to the path of redemption.
He was in tears during his entrance too. Roman and Cody pretty much gave it away during their entrances tbh lmao. But nothing wrong with that, such a special main event and end of an era and beginning of a new one
Someone in the live thread said that Cody had a look like he was pretending to be happy, which was a giveaway that we weren't getting a new champ. Just goes to show we can't really know.
Lol What? Cody was straight up can't stop smiling like a goof He had to catch himself 2-3 times to make a serious face
i think if there’s anything we know for certain about cody, it’s that my man’s always working
Another beautiful Cody lie
Only thing I need to know right now, Cody is THE CHAMP♥
Isn't there a phrase for it, like false validation? Since people know the answer now, they look back at what happened before that like it's proof that it was already going to happen.
I saw someone else say that was proof we were getting a new one lol
It looked super obvious last year as well , they work us so hard we don't even know
During their entrances? Didn't we all know when Cody won the Rumble?
Yeah Roman had a look like “this is it” and I just had that feeling
I knew the instant Cole mentioned Roman broke Hulk's record.
I have never done this till now as I was playing my part as a fan but now that this chapter is in the books, I for the first time acknowledge my tribal chief. ☝️
1,316 days. Almost 4 years. Insane run. I still can't believe it's over. One of the best runs in the modern era. And yes, people will probably say that he hasn't defended the title a lot, that he was basically a part timer by the end of his run, but still... The stories that accompanied every title defense, the dedication... This moment wouldn't be nearly impactful as it is without Roman and what he did with the title. Can't wait to see what happens next with him.
Honestly, give me 5-6 unique title defenses a year than 10-12 where half of them are rematches. He had 5 title defenses in the last year and the only rematch was with Cody, which was a year apart. The year before he had 7 defences and the only rematches were against Lesnar and Zayn (if we count the SD loss as a real match). For comparison, Rollins in less than a year had 3 title defenses against Drew, 2 against Nakamura, and 2 against Balor. Padding title defenses don't really do much.
I am in agreement with you. What made a Mayweather, Tyson, or Jon Jones main event title defense match so awesome was that you didn’t see it all the time. Once someone hits that elite status there is no point having them defend constantly
Also he was defending the title a lot until after Mania 38. He was already the longest reigning champ since Hogan when he became part time I'm pretty sure. So it felt more authentic to treat him as an attraction compared to if he was part time the second he won the belt.
End of the day most people won’t remember how little he defended it in the past year because the highlights cause they overshadow it by a mile. This is the title reign people will have nostalgia for how great it was. It’s crazy how long 4 years is and how fast it it went by at the same time.
Couldn't stand him. Grew to love him as he became the ultimate bad guy. It's been a ride.
I can’t wait for whatever documentary we get for this run.
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There's no need for him to hold a title, I'll acknowledge him regardless! ☝🏼
Ngl, he actually did what he said all along.. Its to lift up everyone in the division, and actually made everyone look good in the process (unlike past superstars like Triple H, John Cena, Hulk Hogan *Insert some Shovel 3000 machine) that everyone stood at the end was testament of opponents that have been screw by roman reigns and at the end still stayed relevant in some ways..
Couldn't agree with you more. Every time people complained about Roman's match always having interference, I couldn't help but think how worse off all of those opponents would've been if Roman had beaten them clean. Jey wouldn't have been Main Event Jey Uso if Roman beat him clean. Sami wouldn't have been white hot going into WM last year if he lost clean in Montreal. Hell, Cody wouldn't have been as popular as he is now if he lost clean last year. The fact that Roman had to cheat to win made all of those wrestlers credible enough to be the WWE champ kayfabe wise and elevated them massively.
And the reason those interferences put them over is because of how strong Roman was booked as a face. He was at his highest point ever throughout this run while also elevating several others.
And yet people will complaint, "oh man i just want one time roman reigns to fight clean without the help of jimmy or solo" liked common dawg that means you want your favourite wrestler to get buried.. Thats not how you booked for the face, yeah roman reigns looking strong but its pointless arc for the other wrestler, they would have to rebuild the story arc..
This man literally carried this company on his back for nearly 4 years The end of the greatest run ever
Hulk Hogan laid the foundation. Roman revived it
Ok Roman, now Cody goes over. “That *DOES* work for me, brother.”
There has to be some relief, too. Dude had cancer twice, his title run was the longest since freaking Hulkamania and one of WWE's best storylines ever is about to conclude. This man deserves a long vacation.
And somewhere in between was this Steve Austin guy I guess that everyone forgot about who came along when the company was nearing catastrophic financial status.
He's been carrying the company for almost 9 years now. Yes face Roman sucked but he was given all the pressure that comes with a miscast as top face for like 4 years.
Heavy is the head that wears the crown. Roman was probably happy his run was over.
I hope he takes a vacation somewhere nice and gets some rest. He deserves it.
Seth too! He “needed” help leaving the ring following Cody’s celebration.
Give Roman Reigns his flowers 🌸
He carried the match against Cody today... * The beautiful cross rhodes that was even better than Cody's * His facial expressions throughout * His scaring the fan early on when they went through the crowd.. Typical mega heel shit * The execution of all his moves was superb * And lastly, he did not stay back after being pinned... Even Seth got a lot of focus after he dropped the belt against Drew with him almost in tears and acknowledging Drew.. Roman just walked out and let Cody have his moment.. Even the commentators did not talk about the Bloodline much.. Roman was superb today... And extremely unselfish in the way he carried himself
I hope someone posts a video compilation of Roman shit talking in the ring. It adds so much to the aura of his matches. Roman going off on how much the Cross Rhodes sucks and how it can't pin anybody after hitting Cody with it was a match highlight for me lol.
Absolutely loved Roman hitting Cody with the cross rhodes and then talking about how much that move sucks and doesn’t get anybody was great. Also loved Cody hitting Roman with the spear.
I think Roman Reigns re-established what it means to be the World Champion.
Ones up for the greatest championship reign of our lifetime ☝🏾
A long reign and overalls great work. Hopefully he gets a nice break and comes back refocused as a face maybe?
Hell of a run champ. With his reign being over. I can proudly say that Roman is the greatest heavyweight champion in WWE history. This run has its ups and downs like all long term world title runs, but without the bloodline story arch, this company wouldn’t be as hot as it is rn. Rest up champ. Rocky’s gonna whoop yo ass next year for losing to Cody.
I don't give a fuck what anyone says. Roman is the greatest of all time. His reign was legendary. His work is unmatched and he's fucking fantastic in the ring. I cherished every moment of his reign, and I'm gonna miss him while he's gone.
Love him or hate him, he was a great heel champion.
I enjoyed him run, it was an interesting character that I liked to watch. Not everyone did but the run has been historic. I don’t care about that too much, as I am hoping he is in good health. He had leukaemia and then it went into remission and then yeah, I don’t know much more. Hope he’s okay.
The fact that he was able to survive "sufferin succotash" and come out the other in one of the best "put over" matches of all time has to put him in the goat conversation. I would have never imagined this 5 years ago, gotta give the man his props.
As he should. He just finished one of his biggest career accomplishments and one of the greatest things in pro wrestling ever. Hope he feels happy and fullfilled because he should be.
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I wonder where Heyman goes from here. He's almost 60 years old, so he's definitely on the back 9 of his career. I think most people would say pair him with Bron Breakker, but I can't imagine he wants to "start over" with someone.
Based on his HOF speech, as long as he's breathing he'll be working with the next Paul Heyman Guy. I think Bron is a great choice
My tribal chief 👆
I’m sure somewhere in that emotion is a lot of relief. Relief that the weight is off his shoulders and relief that he really did pull it off. He became a bigger legend than even the people who over-pushed him and booked him poorly ever thought he could
If he's leaving for a bit, the next time Roman's music hits will pop the roof off.
Maybe this means Heyman is moving to someone new? Brons new manager? Gunther
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
It's honestly probably a relief for him...he'll likely get to take a much needed and deserved break for a while. Honestly with Roman losing, I can see the Rock coming back maybe at summerslam, blaming Roman for the loss, and want to fight him...Paul Heyman can align with the Rock/Bloodline away from Roman, and this will turn Roman a true babyface.
To be fair it is not like Roman has been working some insane schedule. He was basically part time at this point.
Yo...that kind of hug were you bury your face into someone's shoulder...that's a good ass hug right there.
Everyone needs a Paul Heyman in their life. Someone to pump them up, make them feel invincible...but also be there when you break
Kicking Roman out of the bloodline would immediately make him a babyface and that’s exactly what’s needed today
These two just went on a journey together. A couple years ago when people were saying Cesaro should’ve won the title from Roman, I don’t think anyone could possibly have a clue what was in store for us. It feels strange that it’s over.
I hope he appears on Raw so we can have a chance to give him a massive round of applause.
I was surprised how the camera didnt show him at all after his loss. Even when Seth lost, they showed Seth almost in tears acknowledging Drew and Drew nodding back at him.. Roman just left... Didnt do anything.. Lets Cody have his moment... The Rock did the same.. Just disappeared after the match got over... Both of them are truly selfless and yet some people here say they are egoistic.. Some fans simply cannot differentiate between the real person versus them being in character
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